Best of women. (DNC Day 4)
July 28, 2016 12:53 PM   Subscribe

Last stop in Philadelphia: Hillary Clinton’s Convention: Day 4 "I'm gay, so I feel like it's my second coming out party as a Democrat, to be free to wear my Hillary shirt," said Robin, who was wearing a 2008 Hillary campaign shirt and plenty of colourful Hillary pins, standing next to her wife. Livestream.

Five things Hillary Clinton needs to do in her acceptance speech tonight: Explain what voting for her says about you. Politics is about identity, and this is something that for a long time, Republicans understood better than Democrats. When you cast your ballot, what kind of statement are you making about yourself and who you are? When people voted for Ronald Reagan, they were proclaiming themselves to be patriotic and optimistic. When they voted for Barack Obama, they were proclaiming themselves part of a new America, diverse and cosmopolitan and unafraid of the future.

Fifty-two countries have had a female head of state already and Clinton would join Britain’s second female prime minister, Theresa May, and German chancellor Angela Merkel at the top table of elected leaders were she to win the US general election in November.

New Republic: Why the Bush Family Should Endorse Hillary Clinton

Flashback: Hillary Clinton at the 1992 Convention

"Hillary Clinton is that woman in the arena. She’s been there for us, even if we haven’t always noticed." —@POTUS

Checking In With The LGBT Caucus At The DNC

Hillary Clinton will be introduced tonight by her daughter, Chelsea.
posted by roomthreeseventeen (3486 comments total) 47 users marked this as a favorite
 
Let the games begincontinue!
posted by OmieWise at 12:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Great post! I'm so excited for tonight!
posted by joedan at 12:56 PM on July 28, 2016


May the odds be ever in our favor.
posted by cooker girl at 12:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [28 favorites]


Oh man, someone photoshop Putin suddenly having to deal with Clinton, Merkel, and May
posted by schadenfrau at 12:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [25 favorites]


It's the last day and we didn't reference Philadelphia. Couldn't we get a title like "Apparently Mr. Trump felt that they were too..."Ethnic" is the word he used. And he told me that he said that he would like it if we were something a little less garish, a little smaller, and more 'American.'"
posted by Talez at 12:58 PM on July 28, 2016


You did NOT just do that post title to my heart.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 12:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


That New Republic article calling on HW and W Bush to endorse Clinton is interesting, not least because of how similar it would be to when the Socialists in France dropped candidates in some regions to defeat Le Pen.... I just wonder if HW is enough of a statesman to be willing to kill the Republican Party in order to save it.
posted by tclark at 12:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


I am sure that one of the few bright spots of W's disastrous presidency is that it permanently ruined Jeb!'s chances, but if it didn't, endorsing Clinton -- by any member of his close family -- would.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Bush family remained relatively silent about the election, though. And there's no doubt that Barack Obama and Bill Clinton will campaign, and be received, enthusiastically.
posted by Gelatin at 12:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Let's be real. The Bush family basically did endorse Clinton, for every Republican with a brain.
posted by corb at 12:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [67 favorites]


In case the youtube livestream is weird for some reason, it's also here on Twitch, which has been working flawlessly for me all week. (Turn off chat by hitting that gear at the bottom.)
posted by phunniemee at 12:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


That New Republic article calling on HW and W Bush to endorse Clinton is interesting, not least because of how similar it would be to when the Socialists in France dropped candidates in some regions to defeat Le Pen.... I just wonder if HW is enough of a statesman to be willing to kill the Republican Party in order to save it.

If they do, they might time it for October or early November, no?
posted by schadenfrau at 1:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm hoping they do a better job of the balloon drop than the RNC did.
posted by joedan at 1:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I made my first ever political contribution today. I couldn't give much, but I'm sure Hillary can put my $5 to good use.
posted by altopower at 1:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [26 favorites]


I wonder if Hillary will mention Lucretia Mott since A) she played a major role in the Seneca Falls Convention and 2) Ms Mott is a Philadelphian.
posted by NoMich at 1:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


The C-SPAN web site has a very complete schedule of speakers (better than the one of the official DNC site).
posted by mbrubeck at 1:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


As of right now no one has taken me up on my offer of a Pacific Islanders for Hillary button, so I'm repeating it here. You know you want it.
posted by sunset in snow country at 1:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


The Co-Chair of the Congressional LGBT Equality Caucus, Congressman Sean Patrick Maloney, who led the charge for an important LGBT equality bill in May, will speak. So will U.S. Representative Tammy Duckworth. Human Rights Campaign President Chad Griffin will address the convention, as will LGBT rights activist Sarah McBride – who will become the first openly-transgender person to address a major party's national convention tonight.

Other speakers include Civil Rights leaders and icons Dolores Huerta and U.S. Representative James Clyburn. House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, U.S. Senator Barbara Mikulski and the Democratic Women of the Senate. And U.S. Senator Sherrod Brown.

If that's not enough to draw in Democrats and possible Democratic voters, the celebrity lineup includes Katy Perry, Ted Danson & Mary Steenburgen, Sheila E + Family, and Carole King.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


shit am I going to miss Sarah McBride?!? FUCK WORK ARGGGGG
posted by Annika Cicada at 1:05 PM on July 28, 2016


OMG YOU GUYS.

A link to this photo was buried in the fine print of a Hillary campaign email.

Now I'm going to have to go back and look at ALL OF THEM to see if there are more!
posted by cooker girl at 1:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [57 favorites]


I am going to miss the Adventures of Marcia Fudge and Gavel Show so much, y'all.
posted by Salieri at 1:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Let's be real. The Bush family basically did endorse Clinton, for every Republican with a brain.

Yes, but I also want the ones without a brain to know it. And as you witnessed first hand, there are quite a few of those around. They're sort of in charge of the party at the moment.
posted by tclark at 1:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


It must have been 1973 or 74 because I think I would have been too young to remember. My mom and I were at some sort of state fair event in Connecticut when we came across a table with a long line. My mom had us stand in that line and that's where I met and shook hands with Ella Grasso. She was the first politician I'd ever met. She handed me a bumper sticker (which she'd signed and I kept for several years) and said something that I can't remember to me with a big smile on her face. My mom explained she was running for Governor. Since I had met her and had a bumper sticker (and really had no idea who she was running against or how elections worked when I was 6) I cheered for her when she won. My team!

My only other foray into the world of politics around that time was when my father and I were driving one day (it must have been August 4, 1974 for obvious reasons) and it was announced on the radio that Richard Nixon was boarding a helicopter and leaving the White House. I asked my father what happened. "He just resigned," said my dad. "Oh," said I, "has anyone told the king?"

I thought we had a king!

Anyhow, I have only just this week reflected on what a formative experience meeting Ella Grasso was for me. I mean, I've always taken it as a matter of course that women could govern because my first political memory was of a woman running for elected office!

That was over 40 years ago and in all that time, we've had two major party nominees for Vice President that were women but until this week, no major party presidential nominees. Say what you want about Senator/Secretary Clinton, but just the fact that she's the candidate - that a woman is the candidate for the Democrats for president of the United States - is an enormous deal. Take a second to celebrate that even if you can't celebrate her being nominated.

Which leads me to my actual point.

I was reflecting on Tulsi Gabbard these last few days. I'm from Hawaii and I'm a far-left progressive (one of my issues with Sanders was that he wasn't a true socialist - which really isn't fair and I would have voted for him in a heartbeat). Gabbard should be catnip for me. But... her family led the fight against marriage equality. And her family is wrapped up in a kind of cultish religion. And her family has a reputation (based on her father) of switching positions based on what is most likely to get them elected.

On the other hand, she's - generally speaking - voted and acted like a progressive. I'm holding a lot of strong emotional opinions about Gabbard not because of her actual actions and behaviors, but because of her name and my memories of things her mom and dad did. I don't trust her, though she's given me no reason not to trust her. I have a very, very hard time fighting through my feelings. In fact, if she were running for president, my brain would be screaming "nooooo."

But my brain recognizes two things. First, that's totally unfair to her. Second, there's nobody else from Hawaii that currently has her progressive voting records or credentials (not even Brian Schatz, who I love because I've interacted with him since he first ran for state office in my neighborhood years ago).

We don't get to wait for perfect candidates to move us forward. I would be voting against my own causes by voting against Gabbard - especially since my reasons for disliking her are entirely based on how I feel about her parents. I'd be ignoring her record.

Clinton has a much more complicated record, but in general, she has voted for more things I've voted for than not. She's not perfect - no candidate is - and if we wait for the perfect candidate (as one of my Facebook feminist friends said "I want a woman president - just not this one" - what the major hell!), we're going to lose our moment to elect one who is going to move us forward in so many ways.

And one of the ways she's going to move us forward is that in 18 years or less, there will be new voters who think that having a woman president is a totally normal thing.

And that makes me think about Ella Grasson. My first political hero. Would she were alive to see this! Love to you, Governor. I don't think there's an afterlife, but this year I hope there is so you can see what's happening here.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [32 favorites]


I made my first ever political contribution today. I couldn't give much, but I'm sure Hillary can put my $5 to good use.

I made my first ever political contribution a couple days ago. Pretty much all I allow myself to spend money on these days is human food, cat food and kitty litter. My $10 for Hillary was a splurge. I look forward to receiving my sticker but kicked myself for not waiting a couple more days so I could get a magnet!
posted by wondermouse at 1:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


(I hit post when I meant to hit preview and amended a line about Sanders in that longer post - apologies all)
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:10 PM on July 28, 2016


i would donate to clinton if it was possible for foreigners to do so. never thought i would write that
posted by Foci for Analysis at 1:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh man, someone photoshop Putin suddenly having to deal with Clinton, Merkel, and May

I hope they all wear heels higher than his lifts!
posted by Kabanos at 1:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Speaking as a grumpy leftist, I'll just say that I will vote for and support Hillary Clinton as President for eight years. But absolutely no more than that.
posted by Faint of Butt at 1:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [91 favorites]


i would probably donate to clinton if it was possible for foreigners to do so. never thought i would write that

Give the money to your best political parties and politicians instead. We need the partnership of your best leaders too. We're all in this together.
posted by biogeo at 1:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [39 favorites]


I really want Hillary to win, she'd do a great job. Personally, aside from liking stuff on Facebook and Twitter, I haven't talked about it much because I don't want to get in political arguments with people I know, especially with the sheer number of Bernie or Busters on my friends list.

Much of the knocks against her seem to be based off assuming she'd be exactly like Bill, which probably isn't the case.
posted by drezdn at 1:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


DNC live stream is now active.
posted by biogeo at 1:15 PM on July 28, 2016




Here comes our darling Marcia Fudge. :)
posted by stolyarova at 1:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Here comes Marsha Fudge!
posted by joedan at 1:16 PM on July 28, 2016


And a perfect gavel-in.
posted by biogeo at 1:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Go to hell Trump.
posted by cashman at 1:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Trump just released a statement “on America’s future”

What would be some of President Trump’s longer-term views of the future?
"I think of the future, but I refuse to paint it. Anything can happen. But I often think of nuclear war."
posted by OnceUponATime at 1:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


"Star Trek Actor George Takei on Peter Theil's speech at the Republican National Convention and Donald Trump's promise to protect the LGBT community."
posted by kirkaracha at 1:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Okay this Eastern Orthodox (?) guy is adorable.
posted by stolyarova at 1:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


it was announced on the radio that Richard Nixon was boarding a helicopter and leaving the White House. I asked my father what happened. "He just resigned," said my dad. "Oh," said I, "has anyone told the king?"

I thought we had a king!


Children's entertainment is filled with kings, but isn't exactly awash in presidents is it?

I suppose you're too young to remember SUPER PRESIDENT*.

--------------------------------------
* And Jerry.
posted by Herodios at 1:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


You know, I wrote a 3-page essay about Hillary on Facebook. And the response has been surprisingly positive! All these Hillary supporters came out of the woodwork. Sad that we've all been quiet until now, and many others shared that they too hesitated to say anything for fear of a shit storm.

Since posting the essay I feel like my opinions are out there so I've been a little more willing to step into the fray and call out BS. On the other hand, I think my stress levels are higher than normal because I yelled at a lot of people on my bike commute home yesterday.
posted by misskaz at 1:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [34 favorites]


Why would I read anything from the human cantaloupe? I deal with Trump (including viewing or hearing his moving image) at at least one remove at all times.
posted by bearwife at 1:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


The clean aesthetics of the DNC makes me realize the RNC had the aesthetics of a rhinestone cowboy gas station casino.
posted by Annika Cicada at 1:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [21 favorites]


Here comes our darling Marcia Fudge. :)

You can't have her!
 
posted by Herodios at 1:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I went to buy a District of Columbia for Hillary t-shirt and where all of the other shirts have a star for their capital, we have a little White House. Awwww. Also buying like all the buttons omg her button game, flawless
posted by everybody had matching towels at 1:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Okay this Eastern Orthodox (?) guy is adorable.

Oh God he's so soft-spoken with his beard, reading off his notes and mispronouncing Hillary's middle name.

I love him.
posted by Salieri at 1:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


The C-SPAN web site has a very complete schedule of speakers (better than the one of the official DNC site).

Marlon Marshall is speaking--that's kind of awesome, actually. Did Bird speak in 2012? I don't remember.
posted by dersins at 1:20 PM on July 28, 2016


"Heelarie Rodema Cleenton"
posted by Annika Cicada at 1:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/foreign.php

me, i'm kinda done with hipster beards...
posted by OHenryPacey at 1:21 PM on July 28, 2016


Speaking as a grumpy leftist, I'll just say that I will vote for and support Hillary Clinton as President for eight years.

I'm not ruling out quixotic primary bids in four years. Otherwise, same.
posted by fifthrider at 1:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I know it's in Hillary's personal history that her work for bettering the lives of children is important. I understand why this aspect has been so played up during her run up to this convention and the convention itself. I am concerned, however, what kind of a precedent this makes for other women--women who don't have kids or who aren't grandmothers or who spent their lives working for other noble causes.

In a lot of ways it feels like the only way for a woman to get accepted to join the adult's political table is if she takes an approach that's trademarked Traditional Female Values of Motherhood (minus the apple pie). Yes, she's tough, she's hunted terrorists and brought world leaders to their knees, but MORE IMPORTANTLY she is the epitome of a woman because she has borne a child, and her child has borne a child, and her motherly instincts have been working to protect other mothers' children. That's the only acceptable narrative. Even the listening and working co-operatively part of her credentials falls into the traditional woman's--and mother's--role of fulfilling the emotional labour aspects of keeping the family together.

Look, I'm not from the US. I know there are women who have held and do currently hold positions of political power around the world, and I know they have taken a number of differing approaches to get there, but symbolically I've been having a really hard time with this presentation of Hillary the politician. I'm afraid it will really change (push back perhaps) the way women are viewed in politics both inside and outside the US. We all know American marketing messages tend to be overpowering, and the potential influence of this message is stoking my concerns and feeding my fears.

Please note, I have nothing against Hillary, and I understand why she and her team have chosen this tactic. It's politically advantageous to do so, especially as it helps her overcome all of the horrible, nasty accusations that have been levelled against her since Bill first took public office. I'm old enough to remember the attacks on her hair, her wardrobe, her intellect, her ambition, her drive, etc., and I understand the challenges of overcoming decades of that kind of criticism and turning her into a brand that can appeal to the widest number of voters possible. I just have to wonder about the consequences past this election.
posted by sardonyx at 1:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Really fun drawings by famous cartoonist Ann Telnaes of the convention (even an animated GIF).
posted by emjaybee at 1:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


This lady is MLK Jr.'s daughter, everybody.
posted by stolyarova at 1:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Why would I read anything from the human cantaloupe?

Does anyone else think that cantaloupes smell kind of like rotting garbage? Sort of a sickeningly sweet, decomposing smell. Anyway, that's what I think Trump's cologne might smell like.
posted by Faint of Butt at 1:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Also buying like all the buttons omg her button game, flawless

It really is! I'm not a button guy, so I wish I could get these two buttons as tshirts or magnets. Also, Rosie Perez was on CNN with what I think was a "Yo Hillary" button, which I loved.
posted by cashman at 1:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Does anyone else think that cantaloupes smell kind of like rotting garbage? Sort of a sickeningly sweet, decomposing smell. Anyway, that's what I think Trump's cologne soul might smell like.

Fixed &c.
posted by dersins at 1:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


The (other) Dr KING!!!!
posted by ramix at 1:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I want her Polka Dot Dress.
posted by Annika Cicada at 1:24 PM on July 28, 2016


Why I am suddenly so nervous? I want tonight to go so well. I think a lot of it is that feeling where, as a woman, I'm often in situations where there is no way to win. Harassed on the street? Mansplained? My space on the sidewalk taken up by some oblivious dude? My ass grabed by a stranger in a public place? A "harmless joke" at work about how hot I am? Talked over at work? There is never a "right" way to respond. There is never the perfect thing to say or wear or do that will get ensure that I'm seen as a full human being.

I want Hillary to fucking own her place tonight. And I don't want to hear the inevitable misogynist bullshit that lists all the ways that, once again, a woman has failed to meet impossible and always moving standards.

And, my god, do I hate that she has to bear the weight of all of that tonight.
posted by mcduff at 1:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [74 favorites]


Hahahaha all those lovely delegates holding their cheese-hats in respect during the opening prayers. I love this country.
posted by Salieri at 1:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [40 favorites]


I am concerned, however, what kind of a precedent this makes for other women--women who don't have kids or who aren't grandmothers or who spent their lives working for other noble causes.

I don't have kids. I'm not a grandmother. For me, she has led on plenty other than being a working mom. Like, rights for the disabled, for ALL women, for ALL children, health care, gun regulation, the minimum wage, and more. For forty years.
posted by bearwife at 1:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [45 favorites]


The clean aesthetics of the DNC makes me realize the RNC had the aesthetics of a rhinestone cowboy gas station casino

Who shared that story a few threads back about being a kid and taken to Trump tower by his dad and his dad spent the time pointing out all the little mistakes and cheap construction? I wish I could find it because there's your explanation.
posted by downtohisturtles at 1:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


In a lot of ways it feels like the only way for a woman to get accepted to join the adult's political table is if she takes an approach that's trademarked Traditional Female Values of Motherhood

I definitely struggle with feeling this way about Hillary too. But honestly, if that's what it takes to get into the White House, then that's what it takes. I try to remind myself that these "feminine" things that she supports are genuinely good things that shouldn't be denigrated just because they're "feminine".
posted by ashirys at 1:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [26 favorites]


Would you mind sharing it? I am trying to work on something myself and would love some guides.

You're Meredith McIver, and I claim my five pounds.
posted by tclark at 1:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


"Best of women"

OK, OK, I guess "Include women in the sequel" has been a bit done this week anyway.

posted by lunasol at 1:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Bad-ass union soldiers as the color guard yessssssss
posted by arcolz at 1:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"At Hillary Clinton's convention this week, Democrats have been speaking about a world that doesn't exist. A world where...convention stages don't need American flags"

lol there are like 8 American flags on the stage right this second.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Has every one of the color guards been super old? I missed Tuesday and Wednesday's start.
posted by DynamiteToast at 1:27 PM on July 28, 2016


Damnit, I just ordered some Hillary buttons, and now they have new, cooler Hillary buttons. I may need to put in another order.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 1:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I know it's in Hillary's personal history that her work for bettering the lives of children is important. I understand why this aspect has been so played up during her run up to this convention and the convention itself. I am concerned, however, what kind of a precedent this makes for other women . . .

Short answer: Everybody's different. This is her. U do u (for all values of u).
 
posted by Herodios at 1:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm hoping they do a better job of the balloon drop than the RNC did.

The balloons are ready.
posted by zombieflanders at 1:28 PM on July 28, 2016


Bringing in newly nationalized US citizens to do the pledge is a nice touch.
posted by joedan at 1:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh boy the timing on this pledge. PS fuck the pledge, cold war bullshit
posted by dis_integration at 1:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Would you mind sharing it? I am trying to work on something myself and would love some guides.

Sure. (It's public, anyone should be able to see it.) But it's not really anything that hasn't been said here in these threads, and probably more eloquently. If I were writing it today I'd change a lot but I had been editing it for a week and needed to call it done for my own mental health and productivity at work.

It did get me invited to a secret Hillary FB group though, so that made me happy.
posted by misskaz at 1:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


The girls just want to have fun - damental human rights tote bag is marketed towards me a ridiculous amount.
posted by dinty_moore at 1:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


Also buying like all the buttons omg her button game, flawless

It really is! I'm not a button guy, so I wish I could get these two buttons as tshirts or magnets. Also, Rosie Perez was on CNN with what I think was a "Yo Hillary" button, which I loved.


A friend posted on facebook that he was invited by the Campaign Team as part of a "Forty-Five Pin Project" to design buttons. A lot of well-known designers have designs in the collection, it's quite an honor!
posted by maggiemaggie at 1:28 PM on July 28, 2016


Trump just released a statement “on America’s future”

Donald Trump: "I am a fan of the future, and cyber is the future"
posted by Kabanos at 1:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


When HRC comes on, we will be drinking GIN-GHAZI!!!, a punch I concocted featuring:
*Bilberry nectar (for the color and Bill pun)
*Fresh grated ginger
*The juice of many lemons
*Club soda
*A fifth of New Amsterdam (for the former Senator from NY) gin
I set a booze-free portion aside for my daughter, she will be drinking virGIN-GHAZI!!! tonight.
posted by palindromic at 1:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [71 favorites]


I try to remind myself that these "feminine" things that she supports are genuinely good things that shouldn't be denigrated just because they're "feminine".

Favoriting wasn't enough, I have to repeat it. And supplement with this important speech, worth contemplating as we watch tonight.
posted by biogeo at 1:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


The optics of these opening ceremonies every day . . . keep making me tear up. African American soldiers, new citizens leading the pledge, a gorgeous woman of color singing the anthem . . .
posted by bearwife at 1:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


AWESOME TITLE! Thanks for the new post! :)
posted by zarq at 1:29 PM on July 28, 2016


The girls just want to have fun - damental human rights tote bag is marketed towards me a ridiculous amount.

Like, if it was a chico bag I would start wondering if there was a special committee to help market things to dinty_moore.
posted by dinty_moore at 1:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I feel left out because there's not a "Teachers for H" sticker like there is for labor. That's leaving money on the table people!
posted by Wulfhere at 1:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Scott Adams on twitter: If experience is necessary for being president, name a political topic I can't master in one hour under the tutelage of top experts.

Darth: Modesty
posted by drezdn at 1:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [102 favorites]


Trump just released a statement “on America’s future”

"DAMMIT BE MORE AFRAID YOU JERKS"
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 1:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Trump just released a statement “on America’s future”

"....we will put America First"

You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.
posted by zarq at 1:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


Something I've loved in this convention is the range of people the organizers have put front and center, who would absolutely be disrespected and mocked specifically by Trump -- people with strong accents from around the world, people with disabilities, people who are old, speak slowly, move slowly, and so on. It's just such a strong demonstration of the difference.
posted by LobsterMitten at 1:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [26 favorites]


The problem Hillary and any First Woman to do X bears is that they cannot possibly be what everyone needs them to be, because they're only one person. The trick is to remember is that she will not be our only woman president, just our first one. It's ok if she's not perfect. She does not have to be everything to everybody, any more than a male president does.

She just has to open the door and make the path for the ones after her. Some of them will be better! Some worse! At some point, a woman president will be wholly unremarkable and kids will yawn through history lessons about how women used to not be able to be president, or vote, and they roll their eyes at how stupid people used to be. They'll take it for granted.
posted by emjaybee at 1:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [84 favorites]


Why I am suddenly so nervous? I want tonight to go so well. I think a lot of it is that feeling where, as a woman, I'm often in situations where there is no way to win. Harassed on the street? Mansplained? My space on the sidewalk taken up by some oblivious dude? My ass grabed by a stranger in a public place? A "harmless joke" at work about how hot I am? Talked over at work? There is never a "right" way to respond. There is never the perfect thing to say or wear or do that will get ensure that I'm seen as a full human being.

I want Hillary to fucking own her place tonight. And I don't want to hear the inevitable misogynist bullshit that lists all the ways that, once again, a woman has failed to meet impossible and always moving standards.


I agree with this. I was thinking about when she is doing her speech and then right afterward, just not saying anything. Men are always talking. Always sharing their opinion (even now clearly), always filling the room with man opinion #85 trillion and one. I think I'm just going to applaud and watch. Like don't you wish that after she delivered her speech, it didn't immediately go to CNN man, Fox man, NBC man, to talk about what you just saw? I'd love it if Hillary's election as president ushered in a new era of shhhhh for men.
posted by cashman at 1:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [29 favorites]


all those lovely delegates holding their cheese-hats in respect during the opening prayers

What was happening on stage during that, which prayer? I just really want a screengrab of that magic and can't seem to find it.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 1:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Paraphrasing someone in the Day 3 thread... this is literally the greatest show on earth, and I mean that seriously and non-trivially.

Paraphasing the rest of the Day 3 thread....it is, except for Hamilton!
posted by zachlipton at 1:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"They'll tell the story of tonight."
posted by drezdn at 1:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]




As of right now no one has taken me up on my offer of a Pacific Islanders for Hillary button, so I'm repeating it here. You know you want it.

While I'm from a Pacific Island, I'm unfortunately not a Pacific Islander. (Ironically, though, I could wear the Asian American button that you kept, though it'd be weird since I don't pass for one.)
posted by tobascodagama at 1:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"They'll tell the story of tonight."

Arrrgh, that's a good title, too.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


If anyone missed the Solemn Responsibility video that was shown during the DNC last night, it's worth watching.
posted by zarq at 1:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


The league of what now?
posted by PenDevil at 1:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


my boyfriend wants to watch the soccer All Star Game tonight but I was like...but...,my all star game is on!!
posted by zutalors! at 1:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh League of Conservation Voters. I thought it was League of Conservative Voters...
posted by PenDevil at 1:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]




I do not think it means what you think it means.

It is problematic, is it not, to just not read?
posted by bearwife at 1:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


lol I thought the announcer said "League of Conservative Voters" and I was like dafuq wow Republicans really are fleeing from Trump! But then he started talking about climate change and duh.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


You guys, I'm kind of ... having a hard time processing all the emotions this convention is making me feel. I've worked in and around politics for my entire career, and I grew up in a political family, but I have never been so into a convention before. I usually just tune in maybe for the big speeches, and find the whole thing just too stage-managed and usually kind of boring.

But this year is different - I'm watching this one so obsessively, and it's just pushing all my emotional buttons in the best way. I finally realized why I love it so much - it's the first convention I've seen that does not put straight cis white men at the center. It's just this glorious parade of smart, passionate accomplished women and people of color and queer people.

And yeah, that's been the case in the past, but it always sort of felt like it was being done in a box-checking way, to cause the least possible offense to straight cis white men, who are the real audience. But this time, those guys are not the main audience and it shows. And it's just so immensely satisfying.

I made my first donation to the Hillary campaign this week, and today I made that contribution a monthly one. I will always have my problems with mainstream Democrats, but representation matters, and the representation here is so good.
posted by lunasol at 1:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [53 favorites]


The League of who?
*My shocked face!!
posted by ramix at 1:34 PM on July 28, 2016


this guy is Sanders minus the adorable
posted by stolyarova at 1:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


The announcer said "League of Conservative Voters" but the screens read "League of Conservation Voters".
posted by The Nutmeg of Consolation at 1:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Never mind!
posted by ramix at 1:35 PM on July 28, 2016




"Dirty, Dangerous, Denying Donald"

Add in Deadbeat for alliterative completeness.
posted by palindromic at 1:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think the announcer actually DID say "League of Conservative Voters," did I mishear?
posted by biogeo at 1:36 PM on July 28, 2016


I am sure that one of the few bright spots of W's disastrous presidency is that it permanently ruined Jeb!'s chances, but if it didn't, endorsing Clinton -- by any member of his close family -- would.

Jeb ruined his chances at the presidency when he burned through a massive amount of money in the primary for (and forgive me for stealing a 30 year old Dennis Miller gag here) the same number of delegates that I landed and I didn't even run. Maybe he could run an insurgent campaign and get some serious traction and then, on the strength of that, start getting some serious backer dollars. But as it stands? He's done. Nobody is ever going to put serious coin behind a run effort on Jeb Bush.
posted by phearlez at 1:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


He just isn't a good speaker. He's sure right on the content.
posted by bearwife at 1:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


As somebody who works seconds, I gotta ask- will the individual speeches from the DNC be available on YouTube, like individual GamesDoneQuick speedruns after the event?
posted by Pope Guilty at 1:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


On my first day of college, I sat down next to another young woman in a class about democracy. We exchanged small talk and it struck me how extraordinarily self-assured and well-informed she was. Our paths rarely crossed after that, and I met a lot of other amazing people, but she still stands out in my mind. We're both pretty young still, although she's held some really lofty positions in government already, but the guy she married, who is also extraordinary, is writing Hillary's speech tonight, and I know she's had some input. I am hoping with all my heart that after tonight, this totally inconsequential memory becomes a story I can tell my grandchildren.
posted by acidic at 1:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [33 favorites]


When HRC comes on, we will be drinking GIN-GHAZI!!!, a punch I concocted featuring: *Bilberry nectar (for the color and Bill pun) *Fresh grated ginger *The juice of many lemons *Club soda *A fifth of New Amsterdam (for the former Senator from NY) gin I set a booze-free portion aside for my daughter, she will be drinking virGIN-GHAZI!!! tonight.

brb have to go to the store
posted by Superplin at 1:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


You know, seeing all these awesome people like Donna Brazile appearing on stage, I like to remind myself that - they're all for real and are going right back to work after this convention is over, along with Barack and Joe and Michelle and all the rest of the luminaries who have given such amazing speeches. The Democratic party really does have an amazingly deep bench of fighters, and they're all going to be out there doing their best for November and beyond.

I only see them in action in moments like this, but they're out there in the trenches trying to do the right thing every day. That's pretty fantastic.
posted by Salieri at 1:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


my boyfriend wants to watch the soccer All Star Game tonight but I was like...but...,my all star game is on!!

The Greatest Show On Earth!
 
posted by Herodios at 1:37 PM on July 28, 2016


i would donate to clinton if it was possible for foreigners to do so. never thought i would write that

there are other ways to help out

for example

hack into the IRS database and leak Tronald Dump's tax returns
posted by Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam at 1:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


The announcer said "League of Conservative Voters"

yeah that got me excited for a second about more Republicans coming out for Hillary
posted by numaner at 1:37 PM on July 28, 2016


my boyfriend wants to watch the soccer All Star Game tonight but I was like...but...,my all star game is on!!

The Greatest Show On Earth!

posted by Herodios at 4:37 PM on July 28 [+] You hit your favorite limit for the day. [!]


noooooooooooo IT JUST STARTED!
posted by numaner at 1:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


As somebody who works seconds, I gotta ask- will the individual speeches from the DNC be available on YouTube, like individual GamesDoneQuick speedruns after the event?

Yep. The official YouTube account posts every one, both as individual videos and a long stream of each day, including Spanish translations. C-SPAN has them too.
posted by zachlipton at 1:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


"Adventures of a Clintern" (A comic by Anna Sellheim)
posted by oakroom at 1:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Thanks, Zach!
posted by Pope Guilty at 1:39 PM on July 28, 2016


This woman's speech is really sweet.
posted by biogeo at 1:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


As somebody who works seconds, I gotta ask- will the individual speeches from the DNC be available on YouTube, like individual GamesDoneQuick speedruns after the event?

C-SPAN is bringing the heat in this arena.
posted by phunniemee at 1:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


If anyone missed the Solemn Responsibility video that was shown during the DNC last night, it's worth watching.

That was really powerful. Thanks for highlighting it.

The DNC video production team is hitting it out of the park
posted by joedan at 1:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Living on a Prayer"?
posted by palindromic at 1:40 PM on July 28, 2016


joedan: That was really powerful. Thanks for highlighting it.

You're welcome!

The DNC video production team is hitting it out of the park

They are!
posted by zarq at 1:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


> What was happening on stage during that, which prayer? I just really want a screengrab of that magic and can't seem to find it.

Ugh I can't remember the speaker's name - Raul something? - and he was at first speaking in what I think was a Native language (that I don't remember seeing identified on screen) before switching to English.
posted by Salieri at 1:40 PM on July 28, 2016


Trump just released a statement “on America’s future”

Boy, that's a game-changer.

/hamburger
posted by palmcorder_yajna at 1:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I know it's in Hillary's personal history that her work for bettering the lives of children is important. I understand why this aspect has been so played up during her run up to this convention and the convention itself. I am concerned, however, what kind of a precedent this makes for other women--women who don't have kids or who aren't grandmothers or who spent their lives working for other noble causes.

As a childless woman, I don't really worry about that. I haven't gotten any sense that Hillary is trying to send a message that every woman must have at least one child if she is physically capable of it. I mean, to me it's nice that she cares about children after they're born, unlike the GOP which only cares about embryos and fetuses.
posted by wondermouse at 1:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [35 favorites]


huh surprising number of cheers for standing by Israel
posted by stolyarova at 1:41 PM on July 28, 2016


hack into the IRS database and leak Tronald Dump's tax returns

Excuse me but we don't incite foreigners to make cyberwarfare on the United States even though it's apparently ok now.
posted by Talez at 1:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [24 favorites]


"I am a fan of the future, and cyber is the future"

Uhh. Donald? You're gross. I'd never ask your ASL on IRC.
posted by Annika Cicada at 1:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [34 favorites]


I'd do it in a rabbit heartbeat, just to have the chat logs to pass around
posted by middleclasstool at 1:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I put on my robe and wizard hat..."
posted by infinitywaltz at 1:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


"I have a really great erection right now. Really tremendous. You had something to do with part of that."
posted by middleclasstool at 1:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


Something something centipede roleplay.
posted by fifthrider at 1:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


When HRC comes on, we will be drinking GIN-GHAZI!!!, a punch I concocted featuring: *Bilberry nectar (for the color and Bill pun) *Fresh grated ginger *The juice of many lemons *Club soda *A fifth of New Amsterdam (for the former Senator from NY) gin I set a booze-free portion aside for my daughter, she will be drinking virGIN-GHAZI!!! tonight.

fedward I demand you make this the next time you have a shindig.
posted by phearlez at 1:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


First Things: "Rotting-Flesh Reaganism"
posted by Apocryphon at 1:45 PM on July 28, 2016


I actually left work early today so I would not miss anything. YAY LET'S GO
posted by winna at 1:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I have a 4PM meeting. I am so annoyed right now. I'm gonna miss Sarah. I just know it. *cries*
posted by Annika Cicada at 1:46 PM on July 28, 2016


As somebody who works seconds, I gotta ask- will the individual speeches from the DNC be available on YouTube, like individual GamesDoneQuick speedruns after the event?

Yah all the big ones at least, I didn't check for every speaker. Also it seems they uploaded all the separate speeches, then the intro videos afterwards, so the order's a bit funky but you can find a speech easily if you know who you're looking for.
posted by DynamiteToast at 1:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


huh surprising number of cheers for standing by Israel
70% of American Jewry voted for Obama in 2012. They're pretty much still rock solid Dems.
posted by PenDevil at 1:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


I know it's in Hillary's personal history that her work for bettering the lives of children is important. I understand why this aspect has been so played up during her run up to this convention and the convention itself. I am concerned, however, what kind of a precedent this makes for other women--women who don't have kids or who aren't grandmothers or who spent their lives working for other noble causes.


She said women's rights are human rights, not mothers' rights. She's worked for equal pay, reproductive rights, etc. She's talked about it in all her speeches. I haven't really ever heard her frame talking about women as only talking about them as mothers or grandmothers.
posted by zutalors! at 1:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


huh surprising number of cheers for standing by Israel

I think most Democrats and most Americans are for standing by a close ally like Israel, generally speaking. The tension usually results from people using "standing by" as a way of saying "acting to further the interests of Israel even if those interests are opposed to the US's own interests", or, as is sometimes the case, "acting to further the political career of Israel's current prime minister."
posted by tonycpsu at 1:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


"operation wetback"??? what in the world
posted by boo_radley at 1:46 PM on July 28, 2016


"I have a really great erection right now. Really tremendous. You had something to do with part of that."

Ugh, mods, cleanup in aisle blech.
posted by tonycpsu at 1:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


Can I just say how cool it is that the mods agreed to do the post a day thing. It has made it much more manageable for those of us on mobiles.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 1:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [34 favorites]


uhhh "the yellow flock, the muslim flock" this guy needs to get done and go
posted by stolyarova at 1:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


The trick is to remember is that she will not be our only woman president, just our first one. It's ok if she's not perfect

Seriously, we started out with Margaret Thatcher so you're not doing too badly over there.
posted by emilyw at 1:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [36 favorites]


Speaker now referencing Operation Wetback, a shameful moment in our history that not enough Americans know about.
posted by joedan at 1:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


uhhh "the yellow flock, the muslim flock" this guy needs to get done and go

I turned the live feed on during this guy... what the hell? Awful.
posted by knapah at 1:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


He said "Spearow." Pokemon GO player confirmed.
posted by stolyarova at 1:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Seriously, we started out with Margaret Thatcher so you're not doing too badly over there.

And the second one is Theresa May. God save the Queen.
posted by Talez at 1:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


So, yesterday I downloaded the HRC app, because I've been wowed by her technology/social media work. Only working on iPhone right now. And it is a lot of fun, to my surprise. There are cool videos, an office to decorate, quizzes, and a lot more.

Breitbart hates it, which makes me like it more.
posted by bearwife at 1:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


First Things: "Rotting Flesh Reaganism"

My favorite/least favorite thing about people with no understanding of oppression or structural power trying to do analysis of intersectionality is how utterly incapable they are of making even a little sense.
posted by Pope Guilty at 1:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


That First Things article says that the Drmocrats talking about a war on women is simply divisive and politically correct. Fuck you, First Things.
posted by OmieWise at 1:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Seriously, we started out with Margaret Thatcher so you're not doing too badly over there.

I've been wanting to make a similar joke all week but felt like it wasn't my place. So thank you.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 1:50 PM on July 28, 2016


"Before there was a Hillary Clinton, there was a Shirley Chilsholm."
posted by winna at 1:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


"Unbowed, unbroken, and unafraid"

I thought he was going with "unbowed, unbent, unbroken" for a minute.
posted by stolyarova at 1:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


I just turn it on, was it Villaraigosa saying the "yellow flock" stuff?
posted by sideshow at 1:50 PM on July 28, 2016


huh surprising number of cheers for standing by Israel

Without necessarily supporting every awful thing its government does (and I seriously hope we don't go there in this thread), supporting the continued existence of Israel as a country is important to a lot of people, yes. A group of protesters burnt an Israeli flag outside the DNC the other night while chanting "long live the intifada." It's almost certainly not an accident that Bill Clinton turned up last night sporting a pin that says "Hillary" in Hebrew as a response, and other references to it by speakers are coming within that context as well.
posted by zachlipton at 1:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


Speaker now referencing Operation Wetback, a shameful moment in our history that not enough Americans know about.

My grandmother, including her siblings and her parents were all deported then. Half of them were American citizens - born and raised in the US - but it didn't matter.
posted by vacapinta at 1:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [31 favorites]


"Stand up if you're ready to keep our kids and our cops safe and end the structural racism that sends our young men to prison. Stand up if Black Lives Matter."
posted by winna at 1:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


So, yesterday I downloaded the HRC app, because I've been wowed by her technology/social media work. Only working on iPhone right now. And it is a lot of fun, to my surprise. There are cool videos, an office to decorate, quizzes, and a lot more.

Breitbart hates it, which makes me like it more.


Can't wait for it to come to Android!
posted by DynamiteToast at 1:52 PM on July 28, 2016


Yes, it was Villaraigosa.
posted by stolyarova at 1:52 PM on July 28, 2016


Jaime Harrison, chair of the SC Democratic Party.

"as a demagogue preaches nostalgia for the past, it's important for us to remember our past."
posted by winna at 1:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Johnson knew that (by signing the Voting Rights Act) the Democrats would lose the south for a generation."
posted by winna at 1:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"We can't go back to that old America. We can't go back to that Old South."
posted by winna at 1:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Yes, it was Villaraigosa.

Huh, oh well, we got LA Hunk (and also current Mayor) Eric Garcetti coming up in a bit to redeem us.
posted by sideshow at 1:54 PM on July 28, 2016


I know it's in Hillary's personal history that her work for bettering the lives of children is important. I understand why this aspect has been so played up during her run up to this convention and the convention itself. I am concerned, however, what kind of a precedent this makes for other women--women who don't have kids or who aren't grandmothers or who spent their lives working for other noble causes.

Before I started in HIV work, I was a clinic escort for Feminist Majority. I knew I would never have children, but the fight for reproductive rights was important to me and the people I loved. I was also not a gay man, but I started working in the HIV field in 1990 when most people with HIV were gay men because it was important to me and the people I loved.

Also, I was a child once, and frankly I was treated like shit. My parents were mentally ill and if I had thought for one minute that calling them on their abuse wouldn't have sent me somewhere worse, I would have. So it's important as a former child, that I support children to come.
posted by Sophie1 at 1:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [51 favorites]


"50-State Strategy" <- That was Howard Dean's legacy
posted by Annika Cicada at 1:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Are they chanting for Bernie already, or am I mishearing?
posted by Superplin at 1:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


At least I get to see Chad Griffin.
posted by Annika Cicada at 1:56 PM on July 28, 2016


Hey hipsters take notes from this guy, this is how you do. <3
posted by stolyarova at 1:56 PM on July 28, 2016


"'Ask the gays.' Well, since he asked, here goes."
posted by biogeo at 1:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Chad Griffin, HRC - "(Trump) challenged his critics to 'ask the gays'. Well, here goes."
posted by winna at 1:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


I read this:

"Let's be real. The Bush family basically did endorse Clinton, for every Republican with a brain."

and I thought to myself, "You want real? Right now I think I only know one single Republican with a br-"

and then my eyes continued downward and hit

posted by corb

It was like some sort of instant noodles miniature version of a self-fulfilling prophecy or something.

anyway, hi corb! I was very appreciative of your posts during the RNC and I'm glad to have you in these threads as well. The offer of drinks in New Orleans still stands, of course.
posted by komara at 1:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [23 favorites]


Wow. This guy is great.
posted by lkc at 1:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


joedan: Speaker now referencing Operation Wetback, a shameful moment in our history that not enough Americans know about.

All the Trump supporters know about it, because Trump made a big deal about how it proved that his plan to deport millions of people was possible. "Eisenhower, great president, one of the best..."
posted by clawsoon at 1:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


And finally, here's veteran silly person Bill O'Reilly, defending his embattled TV network and his position as the nation's worst history professor.

Love me some Charlie Pierce but this is incorrect. Has he forgotten about Glenn Beck?

Actually, what is Glenn Beck up to these days?

*googles*

huh so apparently Donald Trump is too white nationalist for Glenn fucking Beck... the mind boggles.
posted by tivalasvegas at 1:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Are they chanting for Bernie already, or am I mishearing?

I thought I heard some Bernie chants, but it was no where near as loud as Day 1 and didn't last more than a few seconds.
posted by joedan at 1:58 PM on July 28, 2016


One of my friends from El Salvador says that she won't be voting for Clinton, because Clinton has spent her term as Secretary of State essentially unleashing wave after wave of destruction across central America.

I really have no idea how to respond to that, except to say that all our major candidates are guaranteed to unleash destruction across the world regardless.
posted by Tyrant King Porn Dragon at 1:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


God DAMN Chad Griffin, GET IT!
posted by stolyarova at 1:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Long before Donald Trump struggled to read the letters 'LGBTQ' last week, Hillary Clinton told the world that gay rights are human rights, and human rights are gay rights."
posted by biogeo at 1:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


"We are women!!!!" That's rad as fuck.
posted by Annika Cicada at 1:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Long before Donald Trump struggled to read the letters LGBTQ off a teleprompter last week, Hillary Clinton had proclaimed that gay rights are human rights and human rights are gay rights."
posted by winna at 1:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I have my issues with HRC, but that's damn fiery: "Long before Trump struggled to read the letters LGBTQ off the teleprompter, Hillary Clinton stood before the United Nations and boldly declared that gay rights are human rights and human rights are gay rights."

"When you attack one of us, you attack all of us"
posted by zachlipton at 1:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


OMG I'm learning the secret of the signs!!
posted by Salieri at 2:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Now everyone's getting told how to do their card tricks tonight during Clinton's speech.
posted by zachlipton at 2:00 PM on July 28, 2016


Oooh, looks like they're doing something fun with the blacklight.
posted by stolyarova at 2:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Right now it looks like the conference center is lighted with black lights only?
posted by winna at 2:00 PM on July 28, 2016


Uh, guys, the DNC lighting team seems to have been taken over by a rave.
posted by biogeo at 2:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


wow, getting a view of card sync program
posted by mrzarquon at 2:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"We promise you will not miss the balloon drop"
posted by zachlipton at 2:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Are they chanting for Bernie already, or am I mishearing?

There was some chanting for South Carolina's Jamie Harrison, I think (he beamed in their direction).
posted by everybody had matching towels at 2:01 PM on July 28, 2016


Quick someone hit play on the Skrillex playlist
posted by PenDevil at 2:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


BOW CHICKA BOW WOW
posted by stolyarova at 2:01 PM on July 28, 2016


Chad Griffin's speech was great!!!!!!
posted by one teak forest at 2:01 PM on July 28, 2016


Representative Cedric Richmond from Louisiana up now.
posted by winna at 2:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yay card stunt!
posted by ActingTheGoat at 2:01 PM on July 28, 2016


Was the DNC audio feed the only one that included all the audio instructions for the crazy card program they are doing?
posted by mrzarquon at 2:01 PM on July 28, 2016


Uh, guys, the DNC lighting team seems to have been taken over by a rave.

IT'S THE GAY AGENDA! RUN! GET OUT BEFORE THE HOUSE MUSIC STARTS!
posted by Talez at 2:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [42 favorites]


Richmond quotes Robert Frost, says we still have miles to go.
posted by winna at 2:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't know if I've ever heard a call and response with Robert Frost before.
posted by Salieri at 2:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Bill Kristol burns Scott Adams.

Adams should delete his account after that.
posted by NoxAeternum at 2:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [49 favorites]


That poem was ironic but I am OK with this.
posted by mochapickle at 2:03 PM on July 28, 2016


That Robert Frost poem is actually really depressing, y'all.

/english major
posted by stolyarova at 2:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


"When we can't get Republicans to join us on sensible drug reform [...] we have miles to go before we sleep. [...] When you are campaigning this fall and feel you are exhausted, make one more call or knock on one more door. Because we still have miles to go before we sleep."
posted by winna at 2:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


huh so apparently Donald Trump is too white nationalist for Glenn fucking Beck... the mind boggles.

A few years ago my car radio was on the fritz and could only pick up AM stations. It started a habit of listening to right-wing talk radio that I continue to this day.

Glenn Beck thinks Trump is not a true conservative; he was pulling hard for Ted Cruz. He's been spending the last few months on his radio show splitting his time between railing against Trump and telling a history of the conservative movement going back to the nation's founding.
posted by joedan at 2:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


That Robert Frost poem is actually really depressing, y'all.

So is this damn election.
posted by zachlipton at 2:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"When the NRA has neutered an entire Republican party..."
-next Trump tweet-
"My balls--and yes I have them, I have balls all over the place--my balls are yuge."
posted by phunniemee at 2:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]




Crisanta Duran, Majority Leader of the Colorado House of Representatives up now.
posted by winna at 2:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bill Kristol burns Scott Adams.

Adams should delete his account after that.


Of the many things I don't understand about 2016, Bill Kristol's sudden face-turn is definitely one.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


A message about geography!!!!!!! It was a short video of Trump calling Belgium a city and it counts. Everything's coming up towels, you guys.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 2:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


My concern isn't what Hillary values or that she's promoting feminine values. My concern is for the next group of female politicians (or wannabe politicians) who don't have the same level of "mom-cred" as Hillary. We all know the patriarchy pushes back hard against what it isn't or what it deems unacceptable. Motherhood isn't something it can do, but it is something it can put on a pedestal and elevate as something noble and necessary, as long as it's performed in exactly the "correct" and non-threatening way.

Sadly, I can view the mom-factor as being a weapon used against childless women looking to win office--that they're too butch or too devoted to business or too selfish or too lacking in compassion to become politicians precisely because they don't have that perfectly acceptable mommy or pro-child background.

Look, as I said, I'm not American, but I've watched hours and hours of convention coverage, and I've been as impressed by the quality of speakers pulled together for the DNC as I was unimpressed by those who took the stage at the RNC. There is no way in the world that I want to see that lunatic Trump put in charge down there. The word is unstable enough without that happening. Watching the Democratic race, I've been on Hillary's side slightly more often than I was on Bernie's side, primarily because I thought she would be able to put herself in a better position to get things done than her opponent would be able to do. I don't agree with all of her policies, and there are actions she has taken in the past that I've completely disagreed with or thought were ill-advised at best, but I definitely prefer to see her elected, and I understand completely how she and her team figured this path is the quickest and easiest way to victory. It's politics, and the only way to accomplish anything is to win and achieve power first.

I just hope her success (to whatever degree she has it in this election) won't be weaponized and used against the next group of women who don't meet the same mommy standard.
posted by sardonyx at 2:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Adams should delete his account after that.

God damn it, Scott Adams is making me like Bill Kristol, I HATE HIM FOR THIS.
posted by biogeo at 2:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]




I have always loathed Bill Kristol. Wanting to give him a high five is a terrible feeling.
posted by winna at 2:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Those cheeseheads tho.
posted by dis_integration at 2:08 PM on July 28, 2016


Bruce Hornsby's "The Way It Is" as walkout music for Rep Gwen Moore
posted by zachlipton at 2:08 PM on July 28, 2016



I just hope her success (to whatever degree she has it in this election) won't be weaponized and used against the next group of women who don't meet the same mommy standard.


Listen I'm about Chelsea Clinton's age and I remember how they talked about her as mom in the White House - it was NOT as having any kind of high "mommy standard", like, at all. This is seriously not a concern.
posted by zutalors! at 2:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


Representative Gwen Moore of Wisconsin now.

"Fat, pigs, dogs, disgusting. That is what Donald Trump thinks of women."

RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX TO FIGHT.
posted by winna at 2:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


I thought she was referring to the cheeseheads for a moment with that dramatic "Fat pigs" opening.
posted by vverse23 at 2:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh damn this woman is awesome.
posted by phunniemee at 2:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Mic drop moment from Bill Kristol. If Kristol puts on shades, rides off in Biden's vette and immediately retires from public life all will be forgiven (but only if he does the third thing).
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Fat." "Pigs." "Dogs." "Disgusting."
"That is what Donald Trump thinks of women."

Well, this woman sure has my attention! High-impact opening.
posted by Superplin at 2:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I just hope her success (to whatever degree she has it in this election) won't be weaponized and used against the next group of women who don't meet the same mommy standard

I worry about that too. There are plenty of remarkable people out there without background being parents. But hey, all we can do to fight gender and gender role discrimination is keep supporting good candidates from every walk of life and with every life experience.
posted by bearwife at 2:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Too many women have experienced sexual violence, and I am one of them. But we are not victims. WE ARE SURVIVORS."
posted by winna at 2:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


YOU GO GWEN!
posted by biogeo at 2:10 PM on July 28, 2016


I know I'm the eleven billionth person to say this, but the Metafilter community has meant a lot to me. With maybe one or two exceptions, I don't know anyone who is a particularly big Hillary supporter in real life, and virtually no one on, say, Facebook or Tumblr. I feel less alone in these threads, and far less afraid.

Also I have to order some Hillary pins tout de suite; I have some old McGovern/Shriver campaign pins from my mother, and I want to add to the collection :) (And buy a pin to give her.)
posted by kalimac at 2:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [26 favorites]


"My voice matters and I will not shut up. Our voices matter and we will not shut up."
posted by zachlipton at 2:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"We've been told to sit down and shut up. Well, my voice matters, and I will not shut up."

- Rep. Gwen Moore
posted by Salieri at 2:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [24 favorites]


"WE have been told to sit down and shut up. But I WILL NOT SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP."
posted by winna at 2:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Holy shit Gwen Moore is preaching like a boss.
posted by Superplin at 2:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hell yes, Gwen Moore.
posted by rewil at 2:10 PM on July 28, 2016


"Our voices matter. And we will not. Shut. Up."
posted by biogeo at 2:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Yay Gwen Moore! Yay Cheese! Yay Wisconsin!
posted by airish at 2:10 PM on July 28, 2016


I'm all for Hillary, but for two seconds there I wished that Gwen Moore was running against Donald Trump. There wouldn't be anything left of him by the time all is said and done.
posted by vverse23 at 2:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


So timely. Trump told a woman NBC reporter to shut up yesterday.
posted by bearwife at 2:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Run, you pigeons!

I know this thread is moving very fast so I want to take a moment to recognize you as the God-damned hero you are.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Donald Trump has told us to sit down and be quiet. But Hillary has asked us to speak up and be heard."
posted by winna at 2:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Chants of "You Go Gwen"!
posted by airish at 2:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


DNC insiders detail months of escalating dysfunction: "As Wasserman Schultz faltered, the White House and Clinton campaign fretted but failed to act"

A metaphor for the Clinton campaign?
posted by Noisy Pink Bubbles at 2:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I love you too! Wow!
posted by bearwife at 2:13 PM on July 28, 2016


Wow, Gwen Moore fanclub application submitted.
posted by LobsterMitten at 2:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Okay those "News from our potential president" clips have gotten as nonsensical as Trump himself, and I just laughed my ass off out loud.

Bing bing!
posted by Salieri at 2:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh lord here's another of those horrible Donald Trump videos. But he didn't say anything, just gestured wildly?
posted by winna at 2:13 PM on July 28, 2016




A few years ago my car radio was on the fritz and could only pick up AM stations. It started a habit of listening to right-wing talk radio that I continue to this day.

You must be on some next-level blood pressure pills.
posted by tivalasvegas at 2:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


Raumesh Akbari, Representative in Tennessee. She's only 32!
posted by winna at 2:15 PM on July 28, 2016


those "News from our potential president" clips

Is David Letterman working with them? That's the kind of gag he used to do all the time.
posted by dnash at 2:15 PM on July 28, 2016


I'm going to eat cheese tonight in her honor.


I'm gonna get a six pack of PBR because I'm broke and it's from Wisconsin originally and also feel like I should have something to celebrate with tonight.

(I am also having cheese.)
posted by MCMikeNamara at 2:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


But he didn't say anything, just gestured wildly?

I think you'll find that he said, "Bing, bing. Bong bong."
posted by biogeo at 2:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Raumesh Akbari, Representative in Tennessee. She's only 32!

Welp, shows that I'm an underachiever.
posted by biogeo at 2:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


er, she just said "transgendered" didn't she? :(
posted by zachlipton at 2:16 PM on July 28, 2016


@Pinboard: Scott Adams with a beautiful expression of engineer’s disease. Name me a topic I can’t master in an hour, says the cartoonist who can’t draw

That is Maciej Cegłowski who has been discussed here on Metafilter for his excellent talk on the morality of tech.
posted by phearlez at 2:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Y'all, these next few months won't be easy. But when has fighting for what's right been easy?"
posted by winna at 2:16 PM on July 28, 2016


Hello Nevada friend! <3
posted by stolyarova at 2:17 PM on July 28, 2016


Her y'alls are adorable (and awesome!)
posted by Wulfhere at 2:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


er, she just said "transgendered" didn't she? :(

Yes.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 2:17 PM on July 28, 2016


There are so flags on that stage. Pfft.
posted by mochapickle at 2:17 PM on July 28, 2016


A metaphor for the Clinton campaign?

I imagine it was a toss up between getting more involved and getting roped into the mess but possibly helping, or keeping a semblance of healthy distance.
posted by JauntyFedora at 2:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Has every woman speaker been wearing a solid color red, white, or blue dress?
posted by LobsterMitten at 2:18 PM on July 28, 2016


(dress/outfit, that is)
posted by LobsterMitten at 2:18 PM on July 28, 2016


Ruben Kihuen, representative for the Nevada State Assembly.
posted by winna at 2:18 PM on July 28, 2016


The mommy letter lady wore black.
posted by mochapickle at 2:19 PM on July 28, 2016


Hearing a rumor that a bunch of Bernie delegates are planning a walk-out. They're apparently all wearing matching shirts.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:20 PM on July 28, 2016


Dang, this Ruben Kihuen has future potential. I like him a lot. And his Spanish is sexy.
posted by stolyarova at 2:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Donald Trump fears us. Worse, he incites that fear in others. He must be terrified of me. I'm a Mexican immigrant running for Congress."

I cannot transcribe the Spanish, but he's saying we're all dreamers.
posted by winna at 2:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


A one hour class to executive mastery sounds like something they'd offer at a Trump u session down at the airport Ramada.
posted by cmfletcher at 2:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


Has every woman speaker been wearing a solid color red, white, or blue dress?
The one time I was on TV, I think I was told to wear solid colors, because patterns apparently don't look good on TV.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


This hilarious video proves beyond a doubt that Donald Trump is the new Archie Bunker

wasn't Archie Bunker supposed to be a caricature?
posted by numaner at 2:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


First Things: "Rotting-Flesh Reaganism"

First Things is supposed to bring the social teachings of the Church to bear on public discourse. Unfortunately, the author of this garbage thought "let me just copy-paste a Weekly Standard screed and interpolate a few "solidarity" references here and there." Sad.

This article, Catholics Must Resist Ethnonationalism is much better both as a reasoned argument and also as a reflection of Church teaching (though there are still certainly things I disagree with):
"It is a scandal for any Catholic to support such ideas and the political movements animated by them—not just because they violate Church teaching, but because they betray our history in this country. These Catholics would be exchanging the only social force that can provide a foundation for a healthy and humane solidarity—the Faith—for the emotional affirmation of a mythical cultural identity. They would become what they claim to hate: relativists who cling to a politically-useful identity rather than to enduring truth.

"The rightful place of the Catholic is always alongside the poor, the marginalized, the excluded—all the more so because Catholics have traditionally been overrepresented among the poor, the marginalized, and the excluded in American society. This means more than rejecting ethno-nationalist politics, however. It means giving special warrant to the witness and experience of those who continue to be where we used to be.
posted by tivalasvegas at 2:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


A lady just held up a tiny stuffed donkey with glittery led necklace and I NEED ONE.
posted by winna at 2:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Has every woman speaker been wearing a solid color red, white, or blue dress?

No, definitely had someone in green earlier this week, and I think I've seen a couple purples. It's been pretty light on patterns, but that's probably because they tend to tell you not to wear patterned things on TV.
posted by phunniemee at 2:22 PM on July 28, 2016


Michael Nutter, Philly's former mayor.
posted by winna at 2:22 PM on July 28, 2016


I do not speak Spanish, but as someone who really loves languages, one of the things I've been enjoying so much about this convention is hearing Spanish spoken to me as a language of politics, not always with translation. I don't necessarily catch every nuance, but I catch the theme, and that's what matters.
posted by biogeo at 2:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


Michael Nutter, who I assume is a descendant of Agnes.
posted by palindromic at 2:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


"We need a president whose ideas and attention span is longer than 140 characters."
posted by winna at 2:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


I wanted to "like" that Archie Bunker video on Facebook as a slightly less agressive alternative to actually sharing it, so I searched the title and found that Norman Lear himself shared it.
posted by OnceUponATime at 2:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Hearing a rumor that a bunch of Bernie delegates are planning a walk-out. They're apparently all wearing matching shirts.

Good for them if they do, but they're just making themselves increasingly irrelevant. I was annoyed with them at first (when they were interrupting people with no regard to what they were talking about) and then glad to have them (when they got their game right and actually chanted appropriate things at appropriate people), but in general they seem to be more interested in the appearance of taking a stand than actually taking a stand and working towards the things they want. Like they use the language and tactics of protest, but they don't seem to actually be working towards something specific beyond "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!"

Anyhow, good for them for walking out if that's what they think is important, but I think its time to leave that particular subgroup in history's dustbin and get to work with the vast majority of Bernie supporters who want to participate in good faith towards achieving their very laudable goals.
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


"Young black men are precious to our country and its future." Such a simple statement, but not said nearly often enough.
posted by mochapickle at 2:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [34 favorites]


DNC insiders detail months of escalating dysfunction: "As Wasserman Schultz faltered, the White House and Clinton campaign fretted but failed to act"

A metaphor for the Clinton campaign?


More like "POLITICO reports Dems in disarray, film at 11"
posted by tivalasvegas at 2:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


"We can't turn the country over to a conman who thinks the presidency is an entry-level job on the Apprentice."
posted by winna at 2:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump is currently making efforts to hire more guest workers to staff his resort in Florida.
(sorry if this was already posted, been trying to keep up but the threads have been flying by!)
posted by Waiting for Pierce Inverarity at 2:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


huh so apparently Donald Trump is too white nationalist for Glenn fucking Beck... the mind boggles.

The thing is that Beck is, as far as I can tell, a legitimate lunatic. He honestly believes all of the insane and inane gibberish he spouts, unlike most of the trolls on the right, who mostly only fervently believe (like Trump) in "got mine" and "ew non-whites". Beck's worldview is utterly hateful, but it's a different worldview to Trump's, even though it lines up with Trump's about loving money and racism.
posted by howfar at 2:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Does anyone know what time Sarah McBride is supposed to be on?

C-SPAN suggests soon--I'd guess maybe 15 mins?
posted by phunniemee at 2:26 PM on July 28, 2016


"She's never let me down... and she won't let you down either."

Aww, I wanted a Rickroll.
posted by stolyarova at 2:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I wonder why they are using two static podiums on each side instead of the centered robo-podium they've been using the last few days.
posted by arcolz at 2:26 PM on July 28, 2016


Michael Nutter, who I assume is a descendant of Agnes.

Nice
posted by Ragged Richard at 2:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


The one time I was on TV, I think I was told to wear solid colors, because patterns apparently don't look good on TV.

My wife has to be on television periodically. The main reason for the pattern thing isn't that they don't look good, as in a pattern looking good when televised versus in real life. The issue is that patterns - smaller patterns, really, not big blocks or blobs - are more likely to show compression artifacts. All your television is digital now and live stuff is compressed in a more slapdash manner* than your prerecorded & edited tv shows. Stuff filmed on a remote is even more likely to have it. So you end up with a tv appearance where nobody sees your face because the weird shimmer of your outfit is too distracting.

* Not really, but let's just call it that for simplifying values. Feel free to look up compression algo basics if you're curious.
posted by phearlez at 2:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Guys I agree completely that Glenn Beck is nutso and harmful, but he supports both gay marriage and marijuana legalization.
posted by stolyarova at 2:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Unfortunately I did not catch this gentleman's full name, but he said "(To Republicans) if your party is no longer coming to you, you should come to our party."
posted by winna at 2:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


LOL who is this guy talking about Baby Jesus not staying throwed?
posted by stolyarova at 2:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


wasn't Archie Bunker supposed to be a caricature?
Well, my father didn't have a Nyawk accent and did have a job where he wore a tie, but Archie channeled him well enough that it was uncomfortable for me to watch (and I always put something else on the TV when I was in their house). In his latter days, he loved "Married With Children" reruns because he could really relate to Al Bundy (also the father on "That 70s Show").
posted by oneswellfoop at 2:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Feel free to look up compression algo basics if you're curious.

Congratulations you have finally found a thing that I can't be bothered to wiki.
posted by tivalasvegas at 2:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


I wonder why they are using two static podiums on each side instead of the centered robo-podium they've been using the last few days.

I dunno, but I'm expecting something exciting. It's Chekhov's Lectern.
posted by biogeo at 2:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


This dude just compared Hillary Clinton to Jesus. BOLD MOVE SIR
posted by winna at 2:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh we're at CHURCH now
posted by vverse23 at 2:29 PM on July 28, 2016


He's a Missouri rep, former mayor of Kansas City, Mo. Also a pastor.
posted by rewil at 2:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


OMG this guy!
posted by mothershock at 2:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did he come back to the mic?
posted by PenDevil at 2:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


On the NPR politics podcast they were saying that they're completely redoing the stage for tonight, in part to signal that we're moving on from Bernie, Bill, Biden, and especially Obama to our new era of Hillary.

Which is really nice but also why things look weird if they look weird (I don't know)
posted by zutalors! at 2:29 PM on July 28, 2016


Did he just ... that was getting awesome and then he just left?
posted by penduluum at 2:29 PM on July 28, 2016


"She won't stay thrown!" Great energy.
posted by biogeo at 2:29 PM on July 28, 2016


whoever that guy is, he's invited to my next party
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 2:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Ah it was Missouri's Congressman Emanuel Cleaver.
posted by winna at 2:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


YOU BETTA LISTEN TO ME, SHE WON'T STAY THROWN!
posted by zebra at 2:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


WHOOP just got out of my meeting (just in time!!!)
posted by Annika Cicada at 2:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


There are like forty representatives and Sarah McBride up there now.
posted by winna at 2:30 PM on July 28, 2016


He came back to the mic TWICE. "SHE WON'T STAY THROWED!!"

"YOU BETTER LISTEN TO ME! SHE WON'T STAY THROWED!!!!"
posted by stolyarova at 2:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


My manager and I carefully avoid talking about politics at work, but she used to live in Philly and got positively giddy when she ran into Nutter on a work trip, at Penn Station. I hope she's listening!
posted by peacheater at 2:30 PM on July 28, 2016


Did he come back to the mic?

Goddamn right he did, too bad he was amped up on Andrew Jackson.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 2:30 PM on July 28, 2016


Chants of "Sarah" from the audience for Sarah McBride
posted by LobsterMitten at 2:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Sean Patrick Maloney, NY Congressman.
posted by winna at 2:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


In other entertaining news, Colbert has set up a Ronald Reagan Selfie Station live feed at the DNC.
posted by stolyarova at 2:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Maloney just said "love you honey" to his husband and it makes me so happy.
posted by winna at 2:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


Patrick Maloney: "It's a beautiful thing when your country catches up to you."
posted by biogeo at 2:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


That "I love you, honey" is so powerful in its banal normalcy.
posted by palindromic at 2:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


This is a beautiful speech.
posted by bearwife at 2:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"It's a beautiful thing when your country catches up to you"

(read my comment in the other thread to see why)
posted by Annika Cicada at 2:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"It's a beautiful thing when your country catches up to you. [...] It matters what happens in those beautiful buildings with the marble columns."
posted by winna at 2:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"seen us" Loretta Lynch set a term for age, I'm tellin ya.
posted by Annika Cicada at 2:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


He's introducing Sarah McBride now. She will be the first trans person ever to address a national convention.
posted by winna at 2:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Go Sarah!
posted by mochapickle at 2:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Shouts of "we love you Sarah" from the crowd.
posted by zachlipton at 2:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Guys I agree completely that Glenn Beck is nutso and harmful, but he supports both gay marriage and marijuana legalization.

But also he's a right-wing proto-Cruzite. I highly, highly doubt that Glenn Beck's position on gay marriage and pot would survive first contact with actual power, if his disgusting theocratic faction got its day in the sun.
posted by tivalasvegas at 2:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


He's getting teary introducing Sarah McBride.
posted by biogeo at 2:35 PM on July 28, 2016


History MADE.
posted by stolyarova at 2:35 PM on July 28, 2016


Holy shit
posted by Annika Cicada at 2:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"My name is Sarah McBridge and I am a proud transgender American."
posted by winna at 2:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


Wow. History being made. Again. Go Sarah.
posted by bearwife at 2:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't give two shits about this white cisgay man, but Sarah McBride? Hearts.
posted by zebra at 2:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Standing O for Sarah McBride. Feels really good sometimes to know you're on the right side of history.
posted by penduluum at 2:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


"My name is Sarah McBride and I am a proud transgender American." She's flanked on each side by two gay congressmen.
posted by zachlipton at 2:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Favorite limit for the day already?! NOOOOOOO I FAVOR SO MANY THINGS
posted by palindromic at 2:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Crowd on its feet for her, long delay before she can even start speaking.
posted by LobsterMitten at 2:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


OMG. her story about her husband who passed away from cancer. heartbreaking.
posted by Annika Cicada at 2:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Tomorrow we can be respected and protected."
posted by zachlipton at 2:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Nice job, Sarah McBride!
posted by carmicha at 2:39 PM on July 28, 2016


I wish my hair was as pretty as hers. She has some amazing hair.
posted by winna at 2:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


*huge smiles*

Okay I'm gonna drive home from work now.
posted by Annika Cicada at 2:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


That was awesome, and if this is the kind of stuff they're doing before prime time, I'm extremely glad I bought a case of black market favorites on the way into work today.
posted by tonycpsu at 2:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Great speech.
posted by biogeo at 2:39 PM on July 28, 2016


My God, has the choice between the two parties ever been this stark before?
posted by schadenfrau at 2:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Dolores Huerta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by winna at 2:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


LET ME REPEAT

DOLORES HUERTA
posted by winna at 2:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]




I have news for Donald Trump. We have been here all along. We have helped to build this country.
posted by bearwife at 2:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Dolores Huerta bringing it.
posted by LobsterMitten at 2:41 PM on July 28, 2016


¡Basta con Donald Trump! ¡Abajo con Donald Trump!
posted by J.K. Seazer at 2:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


The contrast between Peter Thiel essentially throwing trans people under the bus last week and the DNC giving them a voice is pretty powerful.
posted by zachlipton at 2:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


"Every Democrat needs to be an activist."
posted by winna at 2:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I have known Hillary Clinton for twenty-five years and I know her. And this is why I trust her."
posted by winna at 2:44 PM on July 28, 2016


Speaking of languages, I'll take "Abajo con Donald Trump" over "Bing bing bong bong" any day.
posted by biogeo at 2:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


wasn't Archie Bunker supposed to be a caricature?
Well, my father didn't have a Nyawk accent and did have a job where he wore a tie, but Archie channeled him well enough that it was uncomfortable for me to watch (and I always put something else on the TV when I was in their house). In his latter days, he loved "Married With Children" reruns because he could really relate to Al Bundy (also the father on "That 70s Show").


Same story for my dad, oneswellfoop. It has always totally amazed me that my father managed to interpret Archie as the hero of that show. This paragraph from the Wikipedia article on Archie Bunker describes Norman Lear's surprise at how Archie was received:

Norman Lear originally intended that Bunker be strongly disliked by audiences. Lear was shocked when Bunker quietly became a beloved figure to much of middle America. Lear thought that Bunker's opinions on race, sex, marriage, and religion were so wrong as to represent a parody of right wing bigotry.

And now, 45 years later, this describes exactly how I feel about our country's reaction to Trump.
posted by insoluble uncertainty at 2:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Nice!
posted by OmieWise at 2:45 PM on July 28, 2016


I wish my hair was as pretty as hers. She has some amazing hair.

That's a trans woman thing, we all get great hair. Think of it like a party favor.
posted by Annika Cicada at 2:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [65 favorites]


SHE IS WEARING MELANIA'S DRESS!
posted by mochapickle at 2:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Representative Joyce Beatty from Ohio.
posted by winna at 2:46 PM on July 28, 2016


My God, has the choice between the two parties ever been this stark before?

1940, maybe? Of course 1860 was a bit divisive as well...
posted by tivalasvegas at 2:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


omg, is she wearing Melania's dress? LOL
posted by acidic at 2:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I have a date in a bit because I am terrible at scheduling and I can't turn off the DNC

What did I even do
posted by schadenfrau at 2:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Archie Bunker could actually feel love for others and do things for them, so he has Trump beat there
posted by Countess Elena at 2:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Dolores Huerta was directly responsible for me and a friend starting a feminist group on campus my first year of college. I love her.
posted by lunasol at 2:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Also she is rocking Melania's dress, FWIW.
posted by mochapickle at 2:47 PM on July 28, 2016


I have a date in a bit because I am terrible at scheduling and I can't turn off the DNC

What did I even do


Make them watch it with you!
posted by winna at 2:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


I don't give two shits about this white cisgay man, but Sarah McBride? Hearts.

These people are all my people.
posted by bongo_x at 2:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Oh, y'all, it just hit me how much I wish my mother could have lived to see this.
posted by allthinky at 2:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


What time should I prepare the kleenex?
posted by kanewai at 2:48 PM on July 28, 2016


1940, maybe? Of course 1860 was a bit divisive as well...

Maybe 1964?

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think 2016 might belong in that eschelon
posted by schadenfrau at 2:49 PM on July 28, 2016


OMG: Hillary's bio video tonight was made by Shonda Rhimes, eeeeeeeeeeeee.
posted by lunasol at 2:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


winna, it's a first date, because I am a fool

although that would be an instant deal-maker
posted by schadenfrau at 2:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


"I am Congresswoman Joyce Beatty, and I approve this message!"
posted by Salieri at 2:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I'm Congresswoman Joyce Beatty, and I approved this message!"
posted by winna at 2:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


What's the timer for?
posted by stolyarova at 2:50 PM on July 28, 2016


There is now a countdown as Jump Jive an' Wail plays.
posted by winna at 2:50 PM on July 28, 2016


WHO TOLD THEM IT WAS OK TO PLAY NEW SWING AGAIN

WE ALL AGREED TO FORGET ABOUT THAT
posted by schadenfrau at 2:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Who wore it better?
posted by zachlipton at 2:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Also she is rocking Melania's dress, FWIW.

lol seriously? I could see Trump becoming absolutely consumed with rage over that and barfing out Melania Wore It Better tweets through the end of the campaign
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


As a former low brass player I am always okay with new swing all the time anywhere.
posted by winna at 2:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


winna, it's a first date, because I am a fool

although that would be an instant deal-maker


Yeah this is a pretty solid litmus test I think
posted by tivalasvegas at 2:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh, that star blazer. Respect.
posted by rewil at 2:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


LOL, a delegate dabbed it during this musical interlude.
posted by arcolz at 2:51 PM on July 28, 2016


Chairdancing Ben Franklin!
posted by mochapickle at 2:51 PM on July 28, 2016


Roving camera, goofy dancing audience members on the jumbotron.
posted by LobsterMitten at 2:52 PM on July 28, 2016


OMG all the smiley dancing people warms my cold heart.
posted by winna at 2:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I was going to get up and do something else during the musical interlude, but this is too happy!
posted by jaruwaan at 2:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Truly the 90s have returned. I am listening to Jump Jive & Wail.
posted by town of cats at 2:53 PM on July 28, 2016


Who wore it better?

Trolling Level: Grand Master
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [24 favorites]


A woman is a woman and a man ain't nothin' but a male
A woman is a woman and a man ain't nothin' but a male
One good thing about him
He knows how to jive and wail


Great song for this part of the convention!! /burgerburgerburgerburgerburgerburger
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 2:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Star blazer dude is my new TV best friend.
posted by winna at 2:53 PM on July 28, 2016


Also she is rocking Melania's dress, FWIW.

lol seriously? I could see Trump becoming absolutely consumed with rage over that and barfing out Melania Wore It Better tweets through the end of the campaign
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:50 PM on July 28 [1 favorite −] Favorite added! [!]


I'm laugh-crying at how much that's going to bother him

What if everyone just also low key trolls him for the next three months?
posted by schadenfrau at 2:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [27 favorites]


OMG: Hillary's bio video tonight was made by Shonda Rhimes, eeeeeeeeeeeee.

I love being pandered to! Somebody wants the votes of all the 30 something women!
posted by hydropsyche at 2:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


> Roving camera, goofy dancing audience members on the jumbotron.

Who was asking if this was like watching the superbowl for football fans?
posted by mrzarquon at 2:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Mark Dayton, Governor of Minnesota.
posted by winna at 2:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Gotta say, whoever has worked out the music programming for this convention has knocked it out of the park.
posted by vverse23 at 2:54 PM on July 28, 2016


"The Heat is On" is not a good Mark Dayton song.
posted by nathan_teske at 2:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


People do not seem to be listening to Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 2:54 PM on July 28, 2016


"Donald Trump has spent his life serving himself."
posted by winna at 2:55 PM on July 28, 2016


Who wore it better?

Trolling Level: Grand Master


Yeah this person pretty much lives under a bridge and eats billy goats for dinner. Well done Congresswoman!
posted by tivalasvegas at 2:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


"We're gonna send him a message, aren't we?" *crickets*
posted by J.K. Seazer at 2:55 PM on July 28, 2016


Dayton's voice has a little (quieter, older) Kermit the Frog quality.
posted by LobsterMitten at 2:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Trump will make at least two tweets and lose his shit over that dress. I love you Rep. Beatty
posted by cmfletcher at 2:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Every time a white guy comes on it feels like eating a Saltine after chowing down on a buffet of delicious doro wat, fajitas, aloo gobi, baklava, mojitos etc. etc. etc.
posted by stolyarova at 2:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


> What if everyone just also low key trolls him for the next three months?

I think that is Tim Kaine's Official Vice President Role this election.

He's going to go full on Troll Dad.
posted by mrzarquon at 2:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


You know, not every old white guy in the DNC has been a boring speaker (see: Bill Clinton), but the boring speakers have been disproportionately old white guys.
posted by biogeo at 2:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Dayton's voice has a little (quieter, older) Kermit the Frog quality.

I want to hear him sing "The Rainbow Connection"!
posted by J.K. Seazer at 2:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trolling Trump in subtle but noticeable ways and keeping him frothing mad all election season long is actually a great strategy. His thin skin can't bear to feel insulted and the madder he gets the stupider he acts.
posted by downtohisturtles at 2:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


People do not seem to be listening to Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton.

It's so thoughtful of the DNC to program bathroom break speakers every half hour or so.
posted by vverse23 at 2:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Tim Kaine: America's first Trollmaster General
posted by tonycpsu at 2:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Man I could devour some aloo gobi right now to the MAX.
posted by winna at 2:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I could see Trump becoming absolutely consumed with rage over that and barfing out Melania Wore It Better tweets

Or just count the money he made from selling one.
posted by oneswellfoop at 2:57 PM on July 28, 2016


Garcetti is very traditional-president-shaped.
posted by stolyarova at 2:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


LA's mayor, Eric Garcetti.
posted by winna at 2:57 PM on July 28, 2016


but the boring speakers have been disproportionately old white guys.

And they're speaking directly to someone. There's a lot of people out there.
posted by bongo_x at 2:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Gotta say, whoever has worked out the music programming for this convention has knocked it out of the park.

Turns out it's easy to get good music when recording artists don't hate your organization.
posted by NoxAeternum at 2:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [30 favorites]


"America's cities don't have time for theatrics. America's cities have urgent problems to solve."
posted by winna at 2:58 PM on July 28, 2016


BTW Mark Dayton is another example of an actual billionaire going after "billionaire" Donald Trump. Dayton is worth around $1.5 billion
posted by nathan_teske at 2:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]




Got home for my Latino, Italian, Jewish, Spanish speaking mayor! Eric!
posted by Sophie1 at 2:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fifty-two countries have had a female head of state already

Tiny quibble: Heads of state are generally meaningless. Heads of government matter. Queen Elizabeth is a head of state; Theresa May is a head of government. The U.S. invests both roles in one executive, but for comparison purposes the difference is relevant.

posted by psoas at 2:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"America doesn't need a political pyromaniac for president."

Damn, that's a nice phrase.
posted by stolyarova at 2:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Garcetti is talking about infrastructure improvements! He talked about how they raised the minimum wage, getting guns off the streets, making community college free.

"We didn't do any of this by fighting a common enemy. We found a common purpose."
posted by winna at 3:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


I love anyone who will talk about the urgent need for infrastructure improvement.
posted by winna at 3:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


"I'm just your average Mexican-American Jewish Italian"
posted by zachlipton at 3:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


"I'm just your average Mexican-American-Jewish-Italian." <3
posted by stolyarova at 3:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Dayton, as the one of the heirs of the founder of Target, is one of those people who knows how bona fide rich businesspeople behave. (I don't think he's personally a billionaire -- the money's in a bunch of Dayton Family trusts and foundations.)

Rev William Barber is up later on: president of the NC NAACP, leader of Moral Mondays, currently at the forefront of the campaign to repeal HB2.
posted by holgate at 3:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I'm just your regular Mexican-American Jewish Italian."

HA!
posted by winna at 3:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I'm just your average Mexican-American-Jewish-Italian."
posted by zombieflanders at 3:01 PM on July 28, 2016


"Im just your average mexican american jewish italian"
posted by mrzarquon at 3:01 PM on July 28, 2016


jinx!
posted by stolyarova at 3:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


The dress thing slays me! Completely awesome!
posted by OmieWise at 3:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Got home for my Latino, Italian, Jewish, Spanish speaking mayor
Yer a wizard Harry.
posted by PenDevil at 3:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


What if everyone just also low key trolls him for the next three months?

-Hillary consistently pronounces first name as "Denald"
-Tim Kaine continues doing impressions in increasingly Daffy-like voice
-Backup Air Force One parked in Trump 757's usual spot
-Democrats win in massive landslide
posted by theodolite at 3:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [58 favorites]


this guy is an international buffet disguised as a saltine
posted by stolyarova at 3:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


"When we mock [people], we mock our nation."
posted by winna at 3:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Also, as a fellow Jewish Italian-American, I suggest referring to us as "Pizza Bagels."
posted by zombieflanders at 3:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [45 favorites]


I love anyone who will talk about the urgent need for infrastructure improvement.

Yeah, I haven't heard the chanting for that. Creating jobs fixing all the shit that's falling down around us.
posted by bongo_x at 3:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]




Hillary consistently pronounces first name as "Denald"

Can you imagine how 4chan would melt down if Trump said "It's actually 'Donald'"?
posted by stolyarova at 3:03 PM on July 28, 2016


Katie McGinty, Chief of Staff to the Governor of Pennsylvania.
posted by winna at 3:04 PM on July 28, 2016


Dayton's politics in Minnesota have generally been excellent, but I find it hard to reconcile his very public backing of the public funding for the Vikings stadium. Picture tells it all:Vikings owner Wario and duped Gov Dayton breaking ground. God damnit when will we figure out that this shit is a con.
posted by mcstayinskool at 3:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


The thing about staging a citizens' arrest during the speech is that it's more likely to work out for you if you don't announce it on Twitter.

(I don't think they did announce it on Twitter, but they're not organizing it in a very stealth way.)
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 3:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Smart of them to announce it in advance.
posted by stolyarova at 3:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


the boring speakers have been disproportionately old white guys

On a serious note, I don't think this is a coincidence. Women and minorities generally have to be more outstanding to reach the same level of achievement as white men. So it's not surprising that the weakest women and minority speakers are going to be stronger than the weakest white men speakers, just by selection bias.
posted by biogeo at 3:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


They did a serious work of laying on the bronzer for Ms McGinty.
posted by winna at 3:05 PM on July 28, 2016




Got some Hillary swag on my Obama chitenje, sorry everyone who comes to my living room through 2017.

It's the rainbow pantsuit sticker, but the glare makes it immune to good cell phone photography.
posted by palindromic at 3:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Pointing out in the course of his speech that FDR won a war as a commander in chief who couldn't walk -- love it, hits that disability note and the "don't freak out about having a woman in the commander role" note too.
posted by LobsterMitten at 3:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]



DNC Action Committee says they will try to stage a citizen's arrest on Clinton during speech tonight #DemsInPhilly


This is why people don't support the Left.
posted by bongo_x at 3:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


The infrastructure page on hillaryclinton.com is 404's right now, but look at this adorable gif they use.
posted by mrzarquon at 3:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


The thing about a citizens arrest is it probably works better on people without secret service protection
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 3:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [53 favorites]


DNC Action Committee says they will try to stage a citizen's arrest on Clinton during speech tonight #DemsInPhilly

Well, citizens will probably be arrested if they do that, yes.
posted by zachlipton at 3:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [50 favorites]


DNC Action Committee says they will try to stage a citizen's arrest on Clinton during speech tonight #DemsInPhilly

Leaked footage from tonight.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 3:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


McGinty is not grabbing me. She sounds artificial and I'm not sure why.
posted by winna at 3:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


DNC Action Committee says they will try to stage a citizen's arrest on Clinton during speech tonight #DemsInPhilly

Yeah, ever since the convention started there was a small part of me concerned about a "Imma let you finish, but Bernie Sanders ran one of the best campaigns of all time!" moment.
posted by FJT at 3:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


My favorite/least favorite thing about people with no understanding of oppression or structural power trying to do analysis of intersectionality is how utterly incapable they are of making even a little sense.

That's a rather uncharitable reading of someone from the other side trying to understand what's going wrong with their side. And who threw in several choice critiques of Reagan and of Cruz, too.
posted by Apocryphon at 3:07 PM on July 28, 2016


DNC Action Committee says they will try to stage a citizen's arrest on Clinton during speech tonight #DemsInPhilly

This is why people don't support the Left.


I don't think these people are actually the Left.
posted by biogeo at 3:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


Kate McGinty's speech/delivery is not great. How's she doing in PA, PA-mefites?
posted by TwoStride at 3:08 PM on July 28, 2016


I'm really not a fan of this use of food as a metaphor for nationalities. It's a common and irritating cliche on dating websites, and I'd prefer not to see it here.
posted by J.K. Seazer at 3:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


She reminds me of Kevin McDonald from Kids in the Hall for reasons I cannot explain even to myself.
posted by palindromic at 3:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


She sounds artificial and I'm not sure why.

Well the fact that she said "livin' large" and you could hear the air quotes might be part of it.
posted by winna at 3:08 PM on July 28, 2016


DNC Action Committee says they will try to stage a citizen's arrest on Clinton during speech tonight #DemsInPhilly

You mean they'll get quietly redirected by the Secret Service from like 100 yards away.
posted by yasaman at 3:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I don't know what McGinty is talking about. This feels like a mashup of political lines with no obvious application.
posted by bearwife at 3:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


McGinty's presentation is reminiscent of late-night informercials. And it's a shame -- her message is OK but gets lost in the delivery.
posted by mochapickle at 3:09 PM on July 28, 2016


The DNC Action Committee advertises a "non-toxic revolution." I thought that at first they were really missing the point, but they were actually only talking about things like non-toxic underarm deodorant.
posted by kanewai at 3:09 PM on July 28, 2016


I'm sure after the last few days the Clinton people expect some asshole to try to interrupt the speech and they're ready. No one's getting near that stage.
posted by downtohisturtles at 3:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


TAMMY! Sexy lady! Who's that lady!
posted by mochapickle at 3:10 PM on July 28, 2016


Here comes Duckworth!!
posted by bearwife at 3:10 PM on July 28, 2016


Tammy Duckworth walks out to Sexy Lady? Really?
posted by Sophie1 at 3:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm just hungry. ;_;
posted by stolyarova at 3:10 PM on July 28, 2016


What if everyone just also low key trolls him

Oh this is way better than doing work.

-make a human wall of Mexicans around Trump's house
-media stops going to any of his events for three whole days and never tells him why
-mass campaign to knit child-size mittens and mail them to Trump HQ
posted by tivalasvegas at 3:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [47 favorites]


Congresswoman Tammy Duckworth of Illinois came on stage to someone crooing Sexy Lady?!
posted by winna at 3:10 PM on July 28, 2016


Bad female speakers: shattering the glass floor! Inspirational.
posted by biogeo at 3:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Scott Adams on twitter: If experience is necessary for being president, name a political topic I can't master in one hour under the tutelage of top experts.

me: trolling
posted by pyramid termite at 3:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Who's that lady? Sexy lady!"

Tammy Duckworth.
posted by jaruwaan at 3:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't think these people are actually the Left.

It's more the love of self serving action I'm talking about, I have never seen that win anyone over.
posted by bongo_x at 3:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


After Lying Low, Deep-Pocketed Clinton Donors Return to the Fore slNYT

For many Clinton donors, particularly those from the financial sector, the convention is a time to shed what one called the “hypersensitivity” that had previously surrounded their appearance at Mrs. Clinton’s fund-raisers or at her political events, during a period when Mr. Sanders repeatedly attacked Mrs. Clinton’s connections to Wall Street and her six-figure speaking fees from financial institutions.

“I think we’re past that,” said Alan Patricof, a longtime donor to Mrs. Clinton, when asked about the need to lie low during the primaries.
posted by lalochezia at 3:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]




"Who's That Lady", Isley Brothers.

 
posted by Herodios at 3:12 PM on July 28, 2016


Tammy Duckworth is awesome.
posted by homunculus at 3:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


The Dem Senate primary for PA was a bit of an arm-twisting exercise by the old-school party machine and national Dem leadership, all of whom preferred McGinty to face off against Toomey over Joe Sestak, who'd lost the 2010 contest. We'll see how that turns out.
posted by holgate at 3:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


>Scott Adams on twitter: If experience is necessary for being president, name a political topic I can't master in one hour under the tutelage of top experts.

I'm sure if he needs his appendix out he will decline to employ a surgeon, preferring instead to have it done by somebody who's spent an hour being tutored by top experts.
posted by Sing Or Swim at 3:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


If that kind of 'citizens arrest' is humanly possible, I'll do it the next time Treasonous Trump has a campaign appearance in my area.
posted by oneswellfoop at 3:13 PM on July 28, 2016


"By the way, Donald Trump - I didn't put my life on the line for our democracy so you could invite Russia to interfere with it."
posted by stolyarova at 3:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [42 favorites]


"I didn't put my life on the line to defend our democracy, so you could invite Russia to interfere with it." Awesome.
posted by biogeo at 3:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Tammy Duckworth: "I didn't put my life on the life to defend my democracy so you could invite Russia to interfere with it.
posted by zachlipton at 3:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Ugh I hate when people say their most important job was being a mom.
posted by winna at 3:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


I mean, being a mom is important! don't get me wrong. But it sounds so fake humble when people say it, and it tends to make childless women feel like trash.
posted by winna at 3:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


Ugh I hate when people say their most important job was being a mom.

Enh, I'm okay with it -- that's her perspective. I get ruffled when people say that it's any woman's most important job.
posted by mochapickle at 3:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


I wonder if her line about "standing up" was a crack at this shameful attack from the NRSC.
posted by zombieflanders at 3:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'd really feel I was insulting my awesome mom, who was the most brilliant doctor I've ever met, if I said that her most important job was raising me.
posted by bearwife at 3:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Right now there was a video featuring many adorable children!
posted by winna at 3:18 PM on July 28, 2016


I wonder if her line about "standing up" was a crack at this shameful attack from the NRSC.

She used that line in a great ad, "so and so says I don't stand up to the vets" and then, slow, careful zoom out, Tammy Duckworth in a wheel chair with all her medals.
posted by dis_integration at 3:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Has there ever been a male politician who said being a dad was his most important job?
posted by tivalasvegas at 3:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


They're now running a feed of twitter hashtags for the convention. I am praying that someone is actually reviewing them before they hit the jumbotron.
posted by winna at 3:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Carole KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted by winna at 3:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Has there ever been a male politician who said being a dad was his most important job?

Tim Kaine?

(sorry couldn't help myself)
posted by maggiemaggie at 3:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [23 favorites]


There is no evidence Trump is stealing votes Clinton is counting on. To the extent he is pitching to "liberals," that means Sanders supporters, and the overwhelming majority of them were ready to vote for Clinton before this convention.
posted by bearwife at 3:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


She used that line in a great ad, "so and so says I don't stand up tot he vets" and then, slow, careful zoom out, Tammy Duckworth in a wheel chair with all her medals.

I don't think that was a commercial? If it was, they stole it from me (which is fine I guess)
posted by tivalasvegas at 3:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"My most important job was dialing for dollars all day so I could afford to run for office" would be more realistic though.
posted by dis_integration at 3:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I finally donated today. And she has TOTES so of course I had to do some shopping as well. And some nice T-shirts...
posted by antinomia at 3:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


> dad was his most important job

I recall Bill Clinton actually saying something like that in his speech "my most important phase of my life was over, as we saw Chelsea off to college" or something like that.
posted by mrzarquon at 3:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I don't think that was a commercial? If it was, they stole it from me (which is fine I guess)

I swear I saw this on TV.
posted by dis_integration at 3:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I mean it was right after the muslims in new jersey celebrating but...
posted by dis_integration at 3:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]




Singing "You've got a friend, and Bernie too and all of us together"
posted by zachlipton at 3:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]




Hah! Finally saw a sign that says "Citizen Kaine". Inevitable.
 
posted by Herodios at 3:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Hillary Clinton needs to wake up. Trump is stealing the voters she takes for granted

I don't think the author of that has actually been watching the DNC.
posted by biogeo at 3:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


There is no evidence Trump is stealing votes Clinton is counting on. To the extent he is pitching to "liberals," that means Sanders supporters, and the overwhelming majority of them were ready to vote for Clinton before this convention.

OTOH I think most Sanders supporters are happy to be the windmill Don tilts at. Give it up dude we're social democrats not fascists. Or just waste your time pandering to us. Whatever.
posted by tivalasvegas at 3:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Carol King's job was to make sure Tim Kaine wasn't the dorkiest person at the convention.
posted by bongo_x at 3:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I don't think these people are actually the Left.

Eh, being on the left is not an effective vaccine against being a doofus.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 3:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


It feels like we're stalling a lot here.
posted by zachlipton at 3:25 PM on July 28, 2016


Kansas baby!
posted by PenDevil at 3:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Dads don't have to defend their fatherhood as being something of importance. Women who are mothers often discover their motherhood used to discredit their competence and intelligence—often even as those same people laud motherhood with empty, condescending, feel-good platitudes. I'm very glad to see motherhood and grandmotherhood not being erased here—not apologized for, not explained away or rationalized—just mentioned/celebrated as a fact of her life, and many people's lives. Not a liability to overcome as a world leader.
posted by mothershock at 3:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [23 favorites]


We're a party that welcomes the dorks, the doofuses, the nerds, and the geeks!
posted by palindromic at 3:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


James Clyburn, Congressman from South Carolina.
posted by winna at 3:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I just showed my daughters the Fight Song and the glass-breaking video and I started crying again. (They are making fun of me, and god willing they'll never really get it, either.) I should just do myself a favor and move the box of tissues in front of the TV for the night, huh?
posted by Andrhia at 3:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


I will be seeing this fine fellow on Friday in Detroit.
posted by palindromic at 3:28 PM on July 28, 2016


He sounds like my daddy and I want to hug him.
posted by winna at 3:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


James Clyburn, Congressman from South Carolina.

Great piano player, too.

Wait . . .
 
posted by Herodios at 3:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


DNC Action Committee says they will try to stage a citizen's arrest on Clinton during speech tonight

“Leeeeeeeeeeerooooy Jenkinnnnns!”
posted by happyroach at 3:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [47 favorites]


DNC Action Committee says they will try to stage a citizen's arrest on Clinton during speech tonight #DemsInPhilly

This is why people don't support the Left.

I don't think these people are actually the Left.


So, I'm not going to pretend to be the Movement Police, and I'm not on the ground, but the group I work for (a large progressive org) has been communicating closely with a lot of left-leaning groups doing activism around the conventions, especially groups led by people of color, and this is literally the first time I've heard of DNC Action. Make of that what you will.
posted by lunasol at 3:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


It is so fascinating to me that as memories of Vietnam fade LBJ is being rehabilitated.
posted by winna at 3:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Has there ever been a male politician who said being a dad was his most important job?
I could swear that JFK said something to the effect of "it doesn't matter what you've achieved in life, if you fail at being a father, you're a failure." Which is a little poignant, since he wasn't around to be a father for most of his kids' childhoods.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 3:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


winna, thank you for all the speaker IDs. Much appreciated.

You're welcome! I wish I'd thought to do it all four nights. Hopefully it will help people reading later.
posted by winna at 3:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Has there ever been a male politician who said being a dad was his most important job?

Marco Rubio said his most important job is father and husband. And George W. Bush said, “My most important job is father.”
posted by mbrubeck at 3:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Historical montage of women legislators kicking ass.
posted by LobsterMitten at 3:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I looked away for a second. Did Mikulski toot a harmonica in that clip?
 
posted by Herodios at 3:33 PM on July 28, 2016


> Hopefully it will help people reading later.

I'd love it if livestreams could be immediately linked to with timecodes, just to make "oh whats that comment about" linking be so much easier.
posted by mrzarquon at 3:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


LBJ is being rehabilitated

LBJ was a low-down dirty rotten absolutely amazing transformative scoundrel who did so much good-bad.
posted by dis_integration at 3:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [44 favorites]


There's a video now and Senator Barbara Mikulski was talking about "putting on her lipstick and getting to work" and she made the MOST ADORABLE pantomime of lipstick application.
posted by winna at 3:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's really great to hear the crowd cheer as each of these women Senators comes up on screen.
posted by Salieri at 3:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Has there ever been a male politician who said being a dad was his most important job?

I could swear that JFK said something to the effect of "it doesn't matter what you've achieved in life, if you fail at being a father, you're a failure." Which is a little poignant, since he wasn't around to be a father for most of his kids' childhoods.


Pretty sure that's Jackie: “If you bungle raising your children, I don't think whatever else you do matters very much”
posted by sapere aude at 3:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


They're all here!!!
posted by stolyarova at 3:35 PM on July 28, 2016


Fuck yeah, Babs in the house!
posted by zombieflanders at 3:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


And Senator Mikulski of Maryland and the other women who are senators are on stage!
posted by winna at 3:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Her puns are adorkable.
posted by stolyarova at 3:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


My mom is gonna love that 4'11" joke.
posted by zombieflanders at 3:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yes, we can! (I'm re-watching the video for it from 2008, and damn Obama looked young).
posted by drezdn at 3:37 PM on July 28, 2016


Apparently Diane Feinstein (encryption sellout that she is) isn't there due to an unspecified family health issue.
posted by zachlipton at 3:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


My god, those senators so clearly love Mikulski.
posted by mcduff at 3:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Pretty sure that's Jackie: “If you bungle raising your children, I don't think whatever else you do matters very much”
Hah! Ok, that's a point for the other side of the argument, then.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 3:38 PM on July 28, 2016


I can't wait until I can't recognize most of the women Senators .
posted by MCMikeNamara at 3:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I was the first Democratic woman elected in her own right to the Senate in 1987. The history of women is that short, it's about 4 foot 11."
posted by Sophie1 at 3:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


Our shoulders are square! We're ready to fight!
posted by Salieri at 3:38 PM on July 28, 2016


"She needs help across the generations. So I have just one question: Are you with us?"

DEAFENING ROAR
posted by winna at 3:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I don't wear lipstick and my shoes are made of like canvas? but I am still going to volunteer.
posted by palindromic at 3:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


My Senator! Patty Murray!!
posted by bearwife at 3:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Patty Murray! Finally someone from the Evergreen State.
posted by dw at 3:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


So, I'm not going to pretend to be the Movement Police, and I'm not on the ground, but the group I work for (a large progressive org) has been communicating closely with a lot of left-leaning groups doing activism around the conventions, especially groups led by people of color, and this is literally the first time I've heard of DNC Action. Make of that what you will.
posted by lunasol at 3:30 PM on July 28 [2 favorites +] [!]


I feel like this is starting to veer into conspiracy theory territory. DNC Action Committee is strongly associated with Jill Stein, BLM and Occupy. It's not some kind of shady false-flag org.
posted by Tyrant King Porn Dragon at 3:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Patty Murray, Senator from Washington.
posted by winna at 3:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I am a fan of the future, and cyber is the future

My modest contribution.
posted by kirkaracha at 3:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


> It's not some kind of shady false-flag org.

Look! They have a newspaper!
posted by mrzarquon at 3:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Maria Cantwell, Washington Senator.
posted by winna at 3:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


And now Maria Cantwell! Washington has had two women senators for 16 years now.
posted by dw at 3:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


I think this is why they have the two podiums this time. Would be weird if they all lined up and shared the mic.
posted by mochapickle at 3:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Amy Klobuchar, Minnesota Senator.
posted by stolyarova at 3:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Amy Klobuchar, Senator from Minnesota.
posted by winna at 3:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


sorry winna! I'll let you do it :)
posted by stolyarova at 3:43 PM on July 28, 2016


Tyrant King Porn Dragon: DNC Action Committee is strongly associated with Jill Stein, BLM and Occupy. It's not some kind of shady false-flag org.

Uh, their posts only go back to 7/16?
posted by bluecore at 3:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I had to leave for a bit so I missed a good hour of drinking convention but I'm ready now.
posted by Justinian at 3:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Claire McCaskill, Senator from Missouri.
posted by winna at 3:44 PM on July 28, 2016


I've lived elsewhere most of my life. These days I'm next door in South Dakota.

But I am Minnesotan by birth, and I LOVE Amy Klobuchar.
posted by yesster at 3:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Claire McCaskill, Senator from Missouri.

And famous shotgunner of beers.
posted by zombieflanders at 3:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Debbie Stabenow, Michigan Senator was up earlier.

As a non-voting 17 year old, I campaigned for a non-partisan but Green-adjacent peace movement in metro Detroit during the 2000 election. Debbie Stabenow's write-up in our voter guide was the first budge toward supporting Democrats I ever felt - her positions were almost precisely in line with what I would have wanted from a Senator. I have supported the Dems in every election since, and I have a real soft spot for her.
posted by palindromic at 3:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


McCaskill's statements about how kind and concerned Hillary was when she was ill are really moving. "She has the heart to lead this country."
posted by bearwife at 3:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Jeanne Shaheen, Senator from New Hampshire.
posted by winna at 3:45 PM on July 28, 2016


They're speaking so quickly it's hard to get the link and the spelling before the next is on!
posted by winna at 3:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


(you're doing great winna!)
posted by yesster at 3:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Kirsten Gillibrand, Senator from New York.
posted by winna at 3:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


My bae Liz is coming up <3
posted by stolyarova at 3:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


They listed Tammy Baldwin as a senator from Missouri. Oops.
posted by dw at 3:47 PM on July 28, 2016


Tammy Baldwin, Senator from Wisconsin.
posted by winna at 3:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Mazie Hirono, Senator from Hawai'i.
posted by winna at 3:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Dissent: Trumpism: The Fight Ahead, Jedediah Purdy
HiLo Brow: Daddy Gets Home, Adam McGovern
When a father leaves, we mourn idyllically for him, and blame the mother who was left behind to actually raise is. Americans resent the tradeoffs and businesslike briskness of Hilary Clinton — she wants our whole village to participate in civic life. (Ironically, she’s the much realer corporate-exec type in this race, while trying to project a family-woman persona, and Trump is a serially bankrupt and bailed-out grifter whose only success seems to have been as a parent.) In a stereotypically standard household, the father steps in to administer discipline and bring home treats; Trump’s acceptance speech, reeling between promises of apparently-socialized workplace childcare and vows of totalitarian race-war, was the classic manifesto of the father, holding attention with random wrath and lavish dispensations, neither of which you can know when to expect.
Vox Peter Thiel's argument for Donald Trump makes no sense. Here's what I think is going on., Timothy B. Lee
Jacobin: Tim Kaine, and Other Faith-Based Politics., Corey Robin - "It’s not just that Clinton’s vice presidential pick is terrible, it’s being sold as a triumph"
Monitoring the upcoming election via electoral votes
posted by the man of twists and turns at 3:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Donald Trump is in Iowa telling an audience how he wanted to hit people speaking at the DNC.
I am not making this up.
In particular he wanted to beat up a "little guy"
posted by Senor Cardgage at 3:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


News flash from the right regarding Russians and the email hack (via my personal right-wing troll):

1) the emails were deleted. 2) The email server was destroyed. NO ONE can hack into a server that no longer exists. Ay yi yi. lol. It's so ridiculous people are not paying attention and thinking for themselves.

So now we know how the right will respond to potential Russian involvement: the hack never happened.
posted by kanewai at 3:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


NC has no women on stage at this time :(

Elizabeth Dole (R) (yes, Bob's wife) was our Senator 2002 to 2008 until Kay Hagen (D) replaced her during the great Obama sweep. Sadly Hagen lost her seat to a Republican man, Thom Tillis. So now we are back to two men, both Republicans. Richard Burr is up for re-election and his Democratic opponent is a woman, Deborah Ross. Lets hope that Clinton pulls off another great sweep. It could happen!
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Huuuuuge cheers for Warren.

Big cheers! The hugest!
posted by Salieri at 3:50 PM on July 28, 2016


Elizabeth Warren, Senator from awesome (Massachusetts).
posted by winna at 3:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Yes, let us find a way to sneak in all the boss speakers from the previous days, starting with Senator Professor Warren.
posted by palindromic at 3:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Tammy Duckworth was wearing a t-shirt earlier today that said "you can pee next to me," apparently in solidarity with those fighting the NC law
posted by zachlipton at 3:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [28 favorites]


Barbara Boxer, Senator from California.
posted by winna at 3:51 PM on July 28, 2016


DNC Action Committee is strongly associated with Jill Stein, BLM and Occupy. It's not some kind of shady false-flag org.

I don't think it's a whole false flag thing, just a couple people who know how to register a domain name.

Among their purported allies:
Occupy Wall St.

Jill Stein and The Green Party

Bernie Sanders for President 2016

Black Lives Matter
Occupy and BLM have no official spokesperson (nor, as far as I'm aware, any paid staff even).

Bernie Sanders for President 2016 is not involved in protests at the DNC nuff said

Dunno why the Green Party would be sponsoring protests at some other political party's convention.

I call shenanigans/malarkey/the typical four lefties that got together, came up with a name and slapped a website up on The Internet.
posted by tivalasvegas at 3:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


I realize that this is a necessary part of the convention, but the hagiography is still a bit much.
posted by kanewai at 3:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump: “I wanted to hit a couple speakers so hard. I would've hit this little guy so hard … he’d never recover." --@christinawilkie
posted by zachlipton at 3:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Where's Feinstein?
posted by Sophie1 at 3:53 PM on July 28, 2016


It's our engagement party, let us enjoy it <3
posted by stolyarova at 3:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Senor Cardgage: "Donald Trump is in Iowa telling an audience how he wanted to hit people speaking at the DNC.
I am not making this up.
In particular he wanted to beat up a "little guy"
"

Whaaaaaaaaat.
posted by boo_radley at 3:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Also that citizen's arrest thing sounds like when Homer fell in with aging hippies Seth and Munchie and tried to recreate the merry prankster thing all over Springfield.

"HEAR YE! HEAR YE!"
(Kazoos)
"I HEREBY DOTHLY DO DECLARE AS GALACTIC MAGISTRATE THAT *YOU* MADAME ARE IN BREACH OF THE CODE OF JUST BEHAVIOR AND WILL NOW BE PLACED—"
(Tackled by Secret Service)
posted by Senor Cardgage at 3:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


They're all now holding hands and waving! It's so cute!
posted by winna at 3:54 PM on July 28, 2016


Where's a good livestream? I've been watching on Twitch, and the gamergate-style sexism in the comments is starting to get to me.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 3:54 PM on July 28, 2016


Damon Young: The Democrats are led by fucking grown-ups and the GOP is led by an adolescent Cheeto:
Regardless of what you say about Hillary Clinton — and there are many, many, many, many uncomplimentary things you could say about her (and be right) — you can not deny that she’s a serious woman. With a serious career. And serious ideas. Who has devoted her life to doing serious things. And who is comfortable in a room with equally serious people. Basically, she’s a fucking grown up. As is our President and Vice President. And Hillary’s husband, the former President. All men who could and should be criticized and held accountable for decisions they’ve made. But all fucking grown ups.
posted by palindromic at 3:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


Where's Feinstein?

See my comment upthread for the official word anyway.
posted by zachlipton at 3:55 PM on July 28, 2016


Marlon Marshall Director of States/Political Engagement with Hillary for America.
posted by winna at 3:55 PM on July 28, 2016


ErisLordFreedom: Where's a good livestream? I've been watching on Twitch, and the gamergate-style sexism in the comments is starting to get to me.

Not sure if you're on mobile, but on a computer browser you can click to hide the chat window.
posted by bluecore at 3:56 PM on July 28, 2016


Where's a good livestream?
I recommend the official stream.
posted by ArbiterOne at 3:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Youtube's here, or just hit the gear on the lower left of the chat on Twitch to hide it.
posted by rewil at 3:56 PM on July 28, 2016


Did I miss DiFi? I didn't see her up there.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 3:56 PM on July 28, 2016


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fw7XiCJL4M

"Chat is disabled for this live stream."
posted by tss at 3:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Any Twitch stream is worthy of insta-hiding the chat window, this is no exception. Click the gear icon to do so.
posted by JauntyFedora at 3:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh good lord don't read the Twitch comments. (You can hide it by clicking the gear icon and selecting "hide chat.")
posted by Spathe Cadet at 3:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


ErisLordFreedom, you can run twitch in a standalone player without the comments. You can also just hide the chat.
posted by Foci for Analysis at 3:56 PM on July 28, 2016


Where's a good livestream? I've been watching on Twitch, and the gamergate-style sexism in the comments is starting to get to me.

Here's Youtube's comment-free livestream.
posted by zombieflanders at 3:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


ErisLordFreedom: You can turn off the Twitch chat, and instantly improve your quality of life. That's how I've been viewing.
posted by Superplin at 3:56 PM on July 28, 2016


Thank zachlipton, I missed it in the fast moving thread.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 3:56 PM on July 28, 2016


(The YT link I shared is less stutter-y for me than the stream on the DNC website.)
posted by tss at 3:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is this the guy responsible for Hillary's amazing Twitter feed?
posted by stolyarova at 3:57 PM on July 28, 2016


HI DENVER
posted by rewil at 3:57 PM on July 28, 2016


Where's a good livestream? I've been watching on Twitch, and the gamergate-style sexism in the comments is starting to get to me.
As O'Brien passed the telescreen a thought seemed to strike him. He stopped, turned aside and pressed a switch on the wall. There was a sharp snap. The voice had stopped.

Julia uttered a tiny sound, a sort of squeak of surprise. Even in the midst of his panic, Winston was too much taken aback to be able to hold his tongue.

'You can turn it off!' he said.

'Yes,' said O'Brien, 'we can turn it off. We have that privilege.'
--George Orwell, 1984

Seriously though, you can turn the chat off and just watch the video on Twitch. Alternatively, YouTube stream.
posted by zachlipton at 3:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


bluecore, Foci for Analysis - THANK YOU! I turned off the chat window. :)
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 3:57 PM on July 28, 2016


Where's a good livestream?

Right here. So nice to have no talking heads.
posted by bearwife at 3:57 PM on July 28, 2016


Trump: “I wanted to hit a couple speakers so hard. I would've hit this little guy so hard … he’d never recover." --@christinawilkie

Trump, you're 70 years old, and there is no evidence that you regularly exercise. You can't kill anyone with your punches.
posted by dis_integration at 3:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


Woooooooo.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 3:58 PM on July 28, 2016


https://www.demconvention.com/live/ is streaming the feed with no talking heads. I get my color commentary here.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 3:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Marshall is chaperoning a watch party feed all over the country so there are all these happy people from all over the country doing live video right now.
posted by winna at 3:59 PM on July 28, 2016


We had an article in the local newspaper about the boy who will speak from Richmond VA. He was so excited!
posted by Tarumba at 3:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wooooooooo
posted by robocop is bleeding at 3:59 PM on July 28, 2016


Trump, you're 70 years old, and there is no evidence that you regularly exercise. You can't kill anyone with your punches.

Well, there is a non-zero chance he'd kill himself trying.
posted by Mooski at 3:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Who is this adorable boy from Richmond and can I adopt him??
posted by Salieri at 3:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I want to lower the voting age for Elijah.
posted by zombieflanders at 3:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


There is a twelve year old doing the feed from Richmond and he is SOOOOO ADORABLE
posted by winna at 3:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


this kid is amazing!
posted by Foci for Analysis at 4:00 PM on July 28, 2016


Fun fact about California that you might not have known, both senators are women and both have continued to be re-elected since 1993 when the Junior Senator Boxer was first elected.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


OMG, Elijah, I love you!
posted by mochapickle at 4:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


He is wearing a tiny three piece suit!
posted by winna at 4:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump, you're 70 years old, and there is no evidence that you regularly exercise. You can't kill anyone with your punches.

His hands are twice as aerodynamic as most hands

They might be faster and more dangerous
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 4:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [24 favorites]


I would like to vote for that young man IMMEDIATELY.
posted by a fiendish thingy at 4:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


omg this kid!
posted by LobsterMitten at 4:00 PM on July 28, 2016


Omg that kid!!!!
posted by mothershock at 4:00 PM on July 28, 2016


Marshall wants us to text WIN to 47246 to volunteer.
posted by winna at 4:01 PM on July 28, 2016


Trump might stain someone permanently with a punch.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 4:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


both senators are women and both have continued to be re-elected since 1993 when the Junior Senator Boxer was first elected.

And this year there is a 100% chance we will elect another Democratic woman as Senator to replace Boxer!
posted by thefoxgod at 4:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Tarumba- Elijah was ADORABLE! That kid definitely has a bright future!
posted by Sophie1 at 4:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Weeee Peruvian lady represent!!
posted by Tarumba at 4:02 PM on July 28, 2016


(A 100% chance of a Democratic woman of color, even)
posted by thefoxgod at 4:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


but the group I work for (a large progressive org) has been communicating closely with a lot of left-leaning groups doing activism around the conventions, especially groups led by people of color, and this is literally the first time I've heard of DNC Action.

Thanks for your work.

I'm not at all against protest and action. I'm glad to see MF call out some of these people though.

I grew up thinking the Left was all about self serving groups and pointless theater. The idea that all protest is valid and can't be criticized is completely self defeating. BLM and Occupy are trying to get people to think about things. It's too bad if they are associated with this, but I don't know that I believe it. Stunts like yelling "No TPP" over people who agree with you on 90% of the issues and citizens arrests are just to get attention. I am not joking when I say this is what turns a majority of people off, maybe one of the main things, and has never won anyone over.

People need to decide if "inclusive" means what most people think it means, or just another sub group of "people who are like me and agree with me 100%". They need to convince others that we're really all in this together. They have to listen as well as talk.
posted by bongo_x at 4:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


Like don't you wish that after she delivered her speech, it didn't immediately go to CNN man, Fox man, NBC man, to talk about what you just saw?

Come on over to PBS, where it'll go to Gwen Ifill.
posted by toxic at 4:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


LBJ was a low-down dirty rotten absolutely amazing transformative scoundrel who did so much good-bad.

LBJ reminds me of W.E.B. DuBois' remarks on Abraham Lincoln:
...at the crisis he was big enough to be inconsistent--cruel, merciful; peace-loving, a fighter; despising Negroes and letting them fight and vote; protecting slavery and freeing slaves. He was a man--a big, inconsistent, brave man.
...
And I love him not because he was perfect but because he was not and yet triumphed.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


Lorella Praeli, a former DREAMer and current Latino Outreach for Hillary for America is getting a video now.
posted by winna at 4:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


AAAh Lorella Praelli. Swallowing the lump in my throat. I don't cry very often but I think tonight is going to be full-on waterworks
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


That First Things article says that the Drmocrats talking about a war on women is simply divisive and politically correct. Fuck you, First Things.

Its use of false equivalencies is certainly problematic, but since the section was talking about "the rhetoric of denunciation", it seems like the critique is less about the issues behind the war on women, but the language and the framing of it being a war. So it's tone policing, but not necessarily dismissing the existence of oppression.
posted by Apocryphon at 4:05 PM on July 28, 2016


I know, I feel like I should have kept a Cry Count from Day 1.
posted by palindromic at 4:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Donald Trump is in Iowa telling an audience how he wanted to hit people speaking at the DNC.
I am not making this up.
In particular he wanted to beat up a "little guy"


Is he talking about Ryan Moore? DNC speaker with dwarfism and South Sioux City, Nebraska resident Ryan Moore? I'm from Iowa, in Sioux City. I don't know Mr. Moore but but South Sioux is right across the river, he's a member of my community. This neck of the woods is thick with Trump supporters and just when I think they can't get any more shameless, well, I know they'll still be flashing Trump signs and bumper stickers tomorrow, even after this horrible shit he said about one of our neighbors directly.
posted by jason_steakums at 4:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I was just informed of a VITAL ENDORSEMENT for Hillary Clinton.
posted by ultranos at 4:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"It was my undocumented mother who taught me what it is to be an American"
posted by LobsterMitten at 4:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Ok that's like the fourth speaker to get 867-5309 as their entrance song and it's weirding me out.
posted by zachlipton at 4:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm confused by all this Tommy Tutone this DNC.
posted by dw at 4:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Is he talking about Ryan Moore?

I think it more likely that he was talking about Bloomberg.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:08 PM on July 28, 2016


Joaquín Castro, Congressman from Texas.
posted by winna at 4:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"No dogs or Mexicans allowed." Jesus Christ.
posted by Superplin at 4:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]




He told a story about how his family had to walk past signs in front of stores that said no dogs or Mexicans.
posted by winna at 4:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Julian Castro is in fact Congressman Castro's identical twin!

But he is probably not the person on stage right now.
posted by winna at 4:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Justice is not a zero-sum game. We can back our men and women in blue, and still support Black Lives Matter."

YES WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT FOR SOME PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND????

I should have made guacamole again today.
posted by Superplin at 4:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [28 favorites]


"I don't care what Donald Trump or Ted Cruz will say, the ACA is here to stay."
posted by winna at 4:11 PM on July 28, 2016


"No one has ever told me that their family came here looking for the lowest corporate tax rate."
posted by winna at 4:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [26 favorites]


"Nobody has ever told me their ancestors came here looking for the lowest corporate tax rate."
posted by palindromic at 4:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Looking forward to a seriously confusing ticket Castro/Castro 2024
posted by Hairy Lobster at 4:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


I have to say I think it's fascinating how close but different our transcriptions can be.
posted by winna at 4:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]




More twitter feed while a band sets up!
posted by winna at 4:13 PM on July 28, 2016


Santana -- "Everybody's Everything"!!
 
posted by Herodios at 4:14 PM on July 28, 2016


Why I am suddenly so nervous? I want tonight to go so well.

Code Switch recently introduced me to the term "Rep Sweats," or as they say "I don't know if I like this but I need it to win."

The idea, roughly, is that if you are a member of a minority, especially one not well represented in most public arenas, when that minority is represented it's very difficult not to identify with them, to take their successes or failures as your own.

[This is why the mediocre trailer for Ghostbusters has made me too nervous to watch it, but determined to support it financially by buying it once it' s released on video].

Now, I actually do like and admire Hillary Clinton. But I wish there were enough female politicians that this one didn't have the weight of being a credit to her kind so heavily on her shoulders.
posted by pocketfullofrye at 4:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


Just saw a tweet that said 'going in hard with today's sock game'.
posted by winna at 4:14 PM on July 28, 2016


I have to say I think it's fascinating how close but different our transcriptions can be.

I do it with song lyrics all the time.
posted by palindromic at 4:14 PM on July 28, 2016


I almost wish HRC had nominated one of the Castro brothers for VP just for the inevitable idiotic Trump conspiracy theories re: Fidel.
posted by stolyarova at 4:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Someone tweeted their selfie with Albright and I have to confess I am jelly.
posted by winna at 4:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


What band are they setting up for?
posted by stolyarova at 4:17 PM on July 28, 2016


Superflin, I am now going to spend another day drooling about guacamole. When Clinton is elected I'm going to think of avocado every time she speaks because of this.
posted by Joey Michaels at 4:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Sheila E
posted by mochapickle at 4:18 PM on July 28, 2016


SHEILA E AND THE E FAMILY
posted by winna at 4:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


it's a drum circle! sort of
posted by stolyarova at 4:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


winna: I have to say I think it's fascinating how close but different our transcriptions can be.

I am so tempted to do an analysis of this... but it's just that half-step too far out of my research area that I have to reluctantly step back. I would love to see something, or even help out if anyone is so moved, though.
posted by Superplin at 4:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


From Trump's statement on America's future: At Hillary Clinton's convention this week, Democrats have been speaking about a world that doesn't exist. A world where America has full employment...

No one claimed that.

...where there's no such thing as radical Islamic terrorism...

Terrorism was talked about quite a bit yesterday. As far as I know no one said the magic phrase, though.

...where the border is totally secured...

No one claimed that either.

...ISIS doesn't merit a mention...

President Obama mentioned ISIL several times (Trump might be too stupid to know it's the same thing).

...our great men and women of law enforcement, our police, do not need to be honored...

Several speakers have honored the police, including President Obama.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


I had an avocado bubble tea today and if you have never had one you should remedy this grave lack in your life as soon as you can.
posted by winna at 4:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Superflin, I am now going to spend another day drooling about guacamole. When Clinton is elected I'm going to think of avocado every time she speaks because of this.

My work here is done AND I have a fantastic new undercover name for top-secret activities.
posted by Superplin at 4:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


There is some really swinging percussion going on right now.
posted by winna at 4:20 PM on July 28, 2016


I don't know, RNC's percussion solo's were pretty good too
posted by Taft at 4:20 PM on July 28, 2016


There is an email screencap on Twitter showing Trump asking people not to watch the dnc today because he doesn't want ratings to be too high.

I went ahead and subscribed to get Trump's emails, just in case they send something funny.

This made me realize a huge amount of people probably did the same thing, and the same with the convention. I mean a ton of people watched the RNC for the lulz. I'm sure deep down everyone in Trump's campaign knows this except for Trump of course.
posted by Tarumba at 4:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Now this is the appropriate time for cowbell!
posted by ashirys at 4:21 PM on July 28, 2016


The dude with the I think bongos is FEELING IT
posted by winna at 4:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


This was a superior slow jam.
posted by winna at 4:22 PM on July 28, 2016


That was great.
posted by homunculus at 4:22 PM on July 28, 2016


Cameron Esposito is hilarious.
posted by stolyarova at 4:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I am getting really fucking nervous about what the Bernie or Bust people have planned for tonight. They've got these matching light-reflecting t-shirts, and photos of the convention center make it look like there are a lot of them. If they steal this moment from me, I swear to God I will never forgive them, and I will never forgive Bernie.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 4:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Cameron Esposito and Austan Goolsbee in a video to mock Trump for not releasing his tax returns.
posted by zachlipton at 4:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I'm in President Obama's cabinet."

"At home, I have a cabinet."
posted by stolyarova at 4:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


"Maybe it was just insufficient postage."
posted by winna at 4:22 PM on July 28, 2016


Cameron Esposito OMG I love her! I saw her live last fall and a friend and I talked to her after the show and she was just absolutely the best.
posted by Superplin at 4:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Seems like everybody's waiting
For a new change to come around
Come around, come around, come around
Waiting for the day when the
King & Queen of soul sing around
Sing around, sing around, sing around
Dig this sound --
Time for you to all get down
[da- da da da da dah]
Yeah, do it!
 
posted by Herodios at 4:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


At this point they are no longer Sanders supporters, he explicitly told them not to be assholes.
posted by Tarumba at 4:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [24 favorites]


Is the DNC feed really out of sync for anyone else?
posted by winna at 4:24 PM on July 28, 2016


President Obama mentioned ISIL several times (Trump might be too stupid to know it's the same thing).

Oh he knows. And of course it bothers him. So every time Obama says it, I snicker a little.
posted by cashman at 4:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I saw her open for Maria Bamford, which was one of the best opener-headliner combos I've seen.
posted by palindromic at 4:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I am a fan of the future, and cyber is the future"

Uhh. Donald? You're gross. I'd never ask your ASL on IRC.
posted by Annika Cicada at 1:43 PM on July 28 [26 favorites −] Favorite added! [!]


I'd do it in a rabbit heartbeat, just to have the chat logs to pass around
posted by middleclasstool at 1:43 PM on July 28 [2 favorites −] Favorite added! [!]


"I put on my robe and wizard hat..."
posted by infinitywaltz at 1:44 PM on July 28 [8 favorites −] Favorite added! [!]


YOU GUISE that just made my day !
posted by iffthen at 4:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Matches for me. Might want to restart your browser?
posted by stolyarova at 4:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]




At this point, it's no longer about Bernie. It's about a handful of idiots who need to either get on the bus or get on Jill Stein's bus. If they get punted from the convention, I would have zero qualms.
posted by dw at 4:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Andrew Cuomo, governor of New York.
posted by winna at 4:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]




restarting fixed it, stolyarova!
posted by winna at 4:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


At Hillary Clinton's convention this week, Democrats have been speaking about a world that doesn't exist...
And Dishonest Don described a convention that didn't happen. The statement may have been targeted toward reassuring his faithful followers that everything is sh!t without him, but if any number of undecided voters saw both conventions then read that, the BIG LIE statement probably made a significant percentage turn to Hillary.
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:27 PM on July 28, 2016


"Fan the flames of fear" I wasn't sure he was going to get through that without fumbling.
posted by ashirys at 4:28 PM on July 28, 2016


restarting fixed it, stolyarova!

you accelerationist scum
posted by tivalasvegas at 4:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


It is the mind killer.
posted by palindromic at 4:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Fear has never built a community, and fear will never build a nation. And let's remember when they sell fear, fear is not strength, fear is weakness."
posted by winna at 4:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


YES! Call out that good-old-days bullshit! Awesome!
posted by Hairy Lobster at 4:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I want to know what good old days they want to take us back to. Do they want us to take back before the Civil Rights Act? Do they want to take us back before worker protection and the minimum wage? Or do they want to take us back before Roe v Wade?"
posted by winna at 4:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


"Let's be honest, in this country right now we have two education systems. Not public and private, but rich and poor."

YES
posted by winna at 4:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


laptops vs metal detectors --- that's a great message
posted by yesster at 4:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oh DAMN that metal-detector line. That was HARSH.
posted by Andrhia at 4:32 PM on July 28, 2016


Why so much criticism for the protestors? After tonight, everyone will thank them for their courageous and righteous act. They will be written about in the history books for saving the country and sparking the revolution!
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 4:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


"The strongest four-letter word is not hate, but love."
posted by winna at 4:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I was not under the impression that 'hate' was the strongest four letter word.
posted by palindromic at 4:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Woah "two different school systems: one for the rich and one for the poor"
[... ]
"Where the most sofisticated piece of equipment is the metal detectors"
posted by Tarumba at 4:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Also a fun aside: I asked on Facebook for someone with drawing skills to make Marcia Fudge look like a dynamic superhero with her gavel and my friend Ruben sprung into action.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 4:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [35 favorites]


I love what he's saying but that doesn't make him sound any less like an Adam Sandler character.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 4:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


*clutches pearls*

This man is a communist!
posted by Tarumba at 4:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I never expected Andrew Cuomo to be this good!
posted by yesster at 4:35 PM on July 28, 2016


I'm sorry I just can't my hatred for Sandra Lee is just too overwhelming
posted by sallybrown at 4:35 PM on July 28, 2016


omg Cuomo talking about schools after all his efforts to destroy teacher's unions in new york. can't deal.
posted by dis_integration at 4:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


Is it me, or is today less fun?
posted by ethansr at 4:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is it me, or is today less fun?
posted by ethansr at 4:36 PM

This has hardly even begun.
posted by yesster at 4:37 PM on July 28, 2016


I was pretty sure today could not live up to the last 3 days, that's a pretty high bar.
posted by bongo_x at 4:38 PM on July 28, 2016


My friend in Omaha reports that Bloomberg's speech was very well-received by her Republican-voting parents, so hey, maybe speeches from problematic NY politicians are reaching other ears.
posted by palindromic at 4:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


Still ahead:

STRONGER TOGETHER: AN ECONOMY THAT WORKS FOR ALL]

Remarks: U.S. Representative Tim Ryan (Ohio)
Remarks: Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper
Introduction of Speakers: Ted Danson & Mary Steenburgen
Remarks: Henrietta Ivey (Home care worker & minimum wage advocate)
Remarks: Dave Wills (School teacher and student debt sufferer)
Remarks: Beth Mathias
Remarks: Jensen Walcott & Jake Reed (Equal wage advocates)
Remarks: Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf
Remarks: Jennifer Granholm (Former Michigan Governor)

[STRONGER TOGETHER: AMERICANS FOR HILLARY]

Remarks: Doug Elmets (Former Reagan Administration official)
Remarks: Jennifer Pierotti Lim (Director of Health Policy, U.S. Chamber of Commerce & Co-Founder of Republican Women for Hillary)

[STRONGER TOGETHER: TRIBUTE TO FALLEN LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS]

Remarks: Dallas Sheriff Lupe Valdez
Remarks: Jennifer Loudon, Wayne Walker, Wayne Owens, Barbara Owens (Family members of fallen law enforcement officers)

[STRONGER TOGETHER: AN INCLUSIVE AMERICA]

Remarks: Reverend William Barber
Introduction of Film: Kareem Abdul-Jabaar
Remarks: Khizr Khan (Father of one of 14 American Muslims who died serving in the US military after 9/11)

[STRONGER TOGETHER: SUPPORTING OUR MILITARY]

Remarks: Ted Lieu (U.S. Representative California)
Remarks: General John Allen (ret. USMC), former Commander, International Security Assistance Forces, and Commander, United States Forces – Afghanistan
Remarks: Florent Groberg (Ret. US Army Captain and Medal of Honor Winner)
Remarks: Chloe Grace Moretz
Remarks: U.S. Representative Xavier Becerra (California)
Remarks: U.S. Senator Sherrod Brown (Ohio)
Musical Performance: Katy Perry

10:00 – 11:00 PM (EDT)

Introduction of Hillary Clinton: Chelsea Clinton
Remarks: Hillary Clinton
Benediction: Reverend Bill Shillady

posted by mochapickle at 4:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Also a fun aside: I asked on Facebook for someone with drawing skills to make Marcia Fudge look like a dynamic superhero with her gavel and my friend Ruben sprung into action.

Ok that is awesome, but I still want Marcia Fudge throwing up her arms after forgetting to gavel to be a meme.
posted by zachlipton at 4:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Chris, a delegate from Washington State, told us: “Half the Bernie delegates walked out on Tuesday and didn’t come back. Today the other half are walking out.

So, assuming they go through with it, they plan to just shit all over progressivism against the wishes of Dear Leader in some demonstration of purity. Good work, assholes.
posted by Talez at 4:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [35 favorites]


Claire McCaskill, Senator from Missouri.

And famous shotgunner of beers.


I mostly voted for her to legitimately vote against Todd Akin but if I had known this I would have gone to the polls singing her name!
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 4:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


To be fair, at the end of today EVERYONE is walking out.
posted by garius at 4:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Well, we Washington State liberals do tend to be pretty smug in our opinions. And we sent a LOT of Sanders delegates to the convention, so, not surprising.
posted by Windopaene at 4:42 PM on July 28, 2016


Eh. They can walk out if they want. That doesn't disrupt the experience for anyone else.
posted by soren_lorensen at 4:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


House Democratic Leader, Nancy Pelosi.
posted by winna at 4:42 PM on July 28, 2016


Nancy Pelosi coming out to Tina Turner's Simply the Best.
posted by Talez at 4:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Man, I would have taken those credentials and drove down in a heartbeat, a god-damned heartbeat.
posted by palindromic at 4:42 PM on July 28, 2016


I'm sorry I just can't my hatred for Sandra Lee is just too overwhelming

There, there, sallybrown. Let me bake cookies for you!

*opens bag of Chips Ahoy*
*opens can of Reddi Whip*
*squirts contents of can into bag*
posted by Atom Eyes at 4:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [39 favorites]


How do they select specific delegates? Couldn't Bernie or his people have tried to select more that AREN'T assholes?
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


> Kaine: Trump right that I was 'lousy' New Jersey governor
posted by kirkaracha at 4:26 PM on July 28 [1 favorite +] [!]


I love how he's totally owning/playing up/leaning into the dad jokes thing.

I second whoever upthread said that they hope the Onion keeps Diamond Joe Biden around as Area Dad Tim Kaine's troublemaking houseguest who refuses to leave.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 4:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


The Embodied and the Voiced - a really great piece on the Mothers of the Movement portion of the DNC by Ezekiel Kweku aka shrill

But it was hard to ignore the fact that of the three mothers who were chosen to speak, only one — Reed-Veal — had lost her child at the hands of the police. And even Sandra Bland’s death was as at a level of a remove and responsibility; she was found dead in her jail cell after an unwarranted traffic stop. The choice of these particular stories by those organizing the event cannot possibly have been a coincidence. This is not to say that these stories are unimportant or the deaths any less tragic. But even in a moment dedicated to black life, black death was seasoned for white palates, curated for white sensibilities.
posted by burgerrr at 4:44 PM on July 28, 2016


California, my native land, rocks! Feinstein, Boxer AND Nancy Pelosi.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


How do they select specific delegates? Couldn't Bernie or his people have tried to select more that AREN'T assholes?

Why The California Delegation Has Created Such A Ruckus At The DNC: Muirhead, who said he has not been part of the chanting crowd, said that given California’s late position in the primary schedule, many of its delegates were elected during a less-than-idyllic period of the campaign. “I think they knew the end was coming,” he said of the Sanders supporters. “The arguments for sticking around were getting more desperate, and a lot of California delegates are more steeped in the ‘system is rigged’ argument.”
posted by acidic at 4:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oy, Nancy is struggling up here.
posted by argybarg at 4:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


How do they select specific delegates? Couldn't Bernie or his people have tried to select more that AREN'T assholes?

In the great tradition that is the United States system of thousands of voting systems of electoral chaos it depends entirely on where you vote. Some states the campaign selects and you vote for the candidate directly. Other states you vote for the delegates directly on the ballot and it states who they support.
posted by Talez at 4:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


From palindromic's article up thread, the most insightful and erudite question so far in the presidential race:


"Forget about running a country, would you trust Donald Trump to babysit a cashew?"

posted by Tarumba at 4:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


Pelosi, what in the heck. This is very bad reading.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 4:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


As a Cascadian, I'm deeply embarassed by the Washington State delegation's behavior. I do not consider myself represented by them.

Some of my Buster friends(?) are circulating a post about some sort of sekrit squirrel planned action for her speech tonight, which "true progressives" (baaaarf) ought to tune in for. The comments thread on one includes such gems as "i'll watch it on mute so i don't need to hear her" and "i'll watch it later so i won't help her ratings."

For me, this election has been a masterclass in why the far left will never accomplish its aims.
posted by EatTheWeek at 4:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [25 favorites]


All these New Yorkers make a lot of sense to me. New York City's Trump's city, so Hillary has to take it back from the demented hamsterheaded blowhard. He can't claim to be the savvy NYC billionaire because Bloomberg is. He can't moon around about 9/11 because Hillary was the senator who saved the city. She's the true New Yorker, and here are all these other true New Yorkers to vouch for that.
posted by Don Pepino at 4:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Her reputation has been built on being a workhorse, not on being a great orator.
posted by yesster at 4:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


With you on the second two, but we can do better than Feinstein.
posted by contraption at 4:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


She wasn't on the schedule at all earlier, so this must be what last-minute speechwriting gets us.
posted by rewil at 4:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


He can't moon around about 9/11 because Hilary was the senator who saved the city. She's the true New Yorker, and here are all these other true New Yorkers to vouch for that.

Is Bernie a true New Yorker?
posted by ZenMasterThis at 4:49 PM on July 28, 2016


Nancy Pelosi does many things well, but this has never been one of them.
posted by zachlipton at 4:50 PM on July 28, 2016


Seeing Nancy Pelosi speak reminds me of when she became the first female Speaker of the House in 2008, and gave a victory speech surrounded by her grandkids, and was criticized for that, as if it was some kind of setback for feminism ("No male speaker of the house has felt the need to bring out his grandchildren for his victory speech"). Picking up that thread from earlier in the comments... it looks like some things haven't exactly changed in 8 years.

I don't mind so much; I think it's helping me articulate some things to myself. Turns out I am the kind of feminist who wants to center children and families in the political conversation, even if women have to be the ones to do it and take a few hits from the patriarchy in the process.
posted by sunset in snow country at 4:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


Thanks for the list of speakers, mochapickle! I was able to cue up the links so as people arrive I will not be frantically googling for a relevant link to their information.
posted by winna at 4:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is it me, or is today less fun?

There do seem to be more straight up pols and fewer eloquent amateurs. Also no real heavy hitters coming other than Clinton herself. I think there is probably a need to give other pols the exposure while not want to detract from the Big Moment. I'm guessing that Clinton's speech will have huge viewership because it is so historic but she isn't the orator that Biden Mr. and Mrs. Obama and Bill are so rather than have it seem flatter in comparison, she only has to outshine her daughter.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


i'll watch it later so i won't help her ratings.

Do ratings still work the way they used to? They used to work through Nielsen boxes, basically an army of people paid to report what they watch. Like they don't actually keep track of what everyone is watching and give an accurate count. They get a statistical sample. It doesn't matter if you tune out, or watch later. The ratings will be the same. I think that's still how it works?
posted by dis_integration at 4:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Chris, a delegate from Washington State, told us: “Half the Bernie delegates walked out on Tuesday and didn’t come back. Today the other half are walking out.

On the same site: I am at the DNC in Philadelphia and I cannot find a single Hillary supporter

Um. If this is the stuff they publish, I'm not sure Chris from Washington is completely on the up-and-up.
posted by dw at 4:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Representative Tim Ryan from Ohio.
posted by winna at 4:53 PM on July 28, 2016


Eh. They can walk out if they want. That doesn't disrupt the experience for anyone else.
It's an attempt to co-opt the narrative. Instead of talking about Hillary's triumphant speech, the media will be talking about the Bernie or Busters and about Bernie. Instead of focusing on how great the convention was, the media will be focusing on disunity in the party. The idea is to deny Hillary attention and legitimacy.

And yeah, I blame Bernie. You don't need to be a political genius to know that revolutions often slip out of the grasp of the people who started them. He should have seen this coming. The fact that he didn't is a testament to his failings as a leader and a strategist.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 4:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [31 favorites]


Um. If this is the stuff they publish, I'm not sure Chris from Washington is completely on the up-and-up.

That article is about outside the convention, and it's true that there aren't many(any?) Hillary supporters among the protesters.
posted by acidic at 4:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I don't think the people saying that know or care about the finer details of the Nielsen system
posted by tivalasvegas at 4:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Caren Bohan ‏@carenbohan 2m2 minutes ago
BREAKING ON REUTERS - FBI is investigating a cyber intrusion at the DCCC that may be related to hack at DNC - sources @josephmenn @dnvolz
posted by waitingtoderail at 4:54 PM on July 28, 2016


Don't cross picket lines!
posted by stet at 4:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I cannot believe the Washington delegation will act that way. It would disrespect their own party, the President, and Bernie himself, who spoke to the delegation. And I don't find it credible.
posted by bearwife at 4:55 PM on July 28, 2016


I will never be comfortable with people using the phrase 'stabbed in the back'.
posted by winna at 4:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


"Is it me, or is today less fun?"

They have to be all kind of exhausted. I mean I have been watching at home and I am pretty tired. It's intense.
posted by Tarumba at 4:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm mildly irritated by the BernieBrat contingent in that they are basing much of their opposition on delusion -- they seem entirely incapable of realizing that in fact more people voted for Hillary Clinton so she won and that is how things should work. But eh, if they want to walk out it's their right. It's at least vaguely connected to what is going on, compared to their shrieking about their pet causes over every speaker. I just wish they had all walked out earlier and stayed out given they don't want to belong to the party or actually support the candidate that they are supposedly delegates for. You know, the actual candidate's thoughts and wishes, rather than their fantasy construction of them. Actually, their treatment of Bernie reminds me of their treatment of PoC voters, delegates, and speakers: convinced they actually know what is good and correct for them, rather than what the actual people express a wish for.

(yes, I know there are a few PoC among the deadenders. But every demo I've seen has been overwhelmingly white, in a convention where 50 percent of the delegates are PoC or Hispanic.)
posted by tavella at 4:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Trump isn't going to like being referred to as a millionaire, I don't think. He wants you to think he's a billionaire.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 4:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Her naked in America plan?

Tell me more!
posted by jammer at 4:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm gonna have to catch up on all this later - I keep getting work phone calls and coming back to find I've missed three speakers.

... Is this how election conventions are supposed to work? I hadn't watched them before, and the Republican side of things only had a handful of speakers each night. And that did seem sparse, but this seems... overwhelming. So many voices. So many stories, all awesome.

Except for the part where I keep missing them.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 4:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


See? Describing an actual plan and the budget attached. Well done.
posted by mochapickle at 4:57 PM on July 28, 2016


OK, it gets weirder. There is no delegate named Chris(topher) from WA.
posted by dw at 4:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


Is there ever a convention where there's a hoard of protesters who support the nominee? Where people wave signs saying "Let the thing that already happened, happen?" That's, well, not really something to protest. Discovering that the people protesting don't support what's happening is hardly newsworthy.
posted by zachlipton at 4:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


He can't moon around about 9/11 because Hilary was the senator who saved the city.

Anyone else curious to read the longform article about what Hillary did on 9/11 and in the days after that's sure to appear in some publication of great esteem? Like, all the quiet stuff that we don't know about yet?

I cannot believe the Washington delegation will act that way. It would disrespect their own party, the President, and Bernie himself, who spoke to the delegation. And I don't find it credible.

As someone who witnessed embarrassing behavior at a legislative district caucus, I can believe it, unfortunately.
posted by Blue Jello Elf at 4:58 PM on July 28, 2016


I feel like the people who want to disrupt Hillary Clinton's speech tonight don't really care about progressive causes, so much as their own personal narrative of being 'an outsider sticking it to the man.' Part of Bernie's attraction was that he was different, the independent, who wasn't beholden to the big banks, etc. This attracted these sorts of people, and he never fully stamped out the myth that the system was rigged against him.

Anyone who disrupts Clinton tonight does nothing to progress whatever they think they stand for, it just alienates them from the Democratic party, a party that could change if they all actually joined the party, ran for positions, voted for people up and down the ballot that shared their views. Its easy to not compromise your ideals when you're 'the outsider'. You want change, you 'get in the arena' and stay there and push for change.
posted by airish at 4:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [31 favorites]


OK, it gets weirder. There is no delegate named Chris(topher) from WA.

James O'Keefe was skulking round earlier this week impersonating a Hillary delegate. I wouldn't put impersonating a Bernie delegate past the little amateur rat fucker.
posted by nathan_teske at 5:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [28 favorites]


So you're saying you're standing in... the room where it happened?
posted by stet at 5:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Tony Goldwyn, actor, doing a video.
posted by winna at 5:01 PM on July 28, 2016


It comes down to whether you want the best world we can make this world into or you want to see yourself as righteous. A lot of people will choose the second option every time.
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [69 favorites]


The stage setup makes me think there's going to be a battle of some sort later, maybe involving wrists tied together, knives and someone getting pushed out of the ring.
posted by bongo_x at 5:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]



OK, it gets weirder. There is no delegate named Chris(topher) from WA.
posted by dw at 4:57 PM on


This link set off my antivirus.
posted by Oyéah at 5:01 PM on July 28, 2016


I feel like this is starting to veer into conspiracy theory territory. DNC Action Committee is strongly associated with Jill Stein, BLM and Occupy. It's not some kind of shady false-flag org.

Good check. I don't think they're a false flag, and I should have been more explicit about that.
posted by lunasol at 5:02 PM on July 28, 2016


The stage setup makes me think there's going to be a battle of some sort later, maybe involving wrists tied together, knives and someone getting pushed out of the ring.

There is going to be a Katy Perry performance. Same diff?
posted by Andrhia at 5:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Favorited a million (if I could) times, Pope Guilty. You said it better than I ever could.
posted by downtohisturtles at 5:03 PM on July 28, 2016


Washington Examiner is just the sort of newspaper that would have virus ads. (It kind of blows)
posted by Yowser at 5:03 PM on July 28, 2016


And yeah, I blame Bernie. You don't need to be a political genius to know that revolutions often slip out of the grasp of the people who started them. He should have seen this coming. The fact that he didn't is a testament to his failings as a leader and a strategist.

Cuts both ways. Team Hilary should have seen it coming too, then, and conceded the platform changes much earlier.

It's like nobody in this party has precognition!
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


You guys, I lost my internet for a while there and nearly hyperventilated at the thought of missing the rest of the DNC.

It's back.
Still seriously regretting the lack of guacamole comfort.
posted by Superplin at 5:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I feel like The Other Mark Wahlberg (of Antiques Roadshow fame) should be doing this (horrible) cheezee segment. And then asking for donations for public television.
posted by sallybrown at 5:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I don't know if Trump is doing it on purpose or not, but by dropping a bunch of lies that are easily disproven he might be counting on the fact that people tend to remember the original lie as truth and not the refutation.
posted by drezdn at 5:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Someone protect Katy Perry's dancers from the nefarious Swift, stat.
posted by Yowser at 5:04 PM on July 28, 2016


This attracted these sorts of people, and he never fully stamped out actively encouraged the myth that the system was rigged against him.
posted by biogeo at 5:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


The neighbor boy that likes to come by and play with my daughter stopped by and asked what I was doing. I told him I was watching the Democratic National Convention right now. He asked if that meant I wanted Trump to win. I said no, it means that I will be working to stop him. He said good, because Donald Trump will destroy the world, and I'm not voting for him. He is eight years old, but we have his vote!
posted by palindromic at 5:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [50 favorites]


I don't understand how "It sure was hot in Philadelphia in 1776" is part of our national myth. We have records of the weather from Thomas Jefferson himself. The high temps were in the mid 70's to low 80's. Sure that might be uncomfortable if you're wearing a powdered wig, a wool waistcoat and frock coat, but it not HOT HOT by any means.
posted by peeedro at 5:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper, winner of the great name competition!
posted by winna at 5:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


This link set off my antivirus.

Try this.

posted by dw at 5:05 PM on July 28, 2016


"A whole generation of geologists lost their jobs."

For some reason this is cracking me up.
posted by winna at 5:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Shocking America, Martin O'Malley sprints to the stage and yells "Iacceptthenominationnotakebacks!" Turns out that's totally allowed. Prepare for O'Malleymentum.
posted by showbiz_liz at 5:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


Forget 'what about the children' it should be 'what about the geologists?'!
posted by winna at 5:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I don't know if Trump is doing it on purpose or not, but by dropping a bunch of lies that are easily disproven he might be counting on the fact that people tend to remember the original lie as truth and not the refutation.

I don't wonder for a second if that's what he's doing, that is exactly his schtick.
posted by contraption at 5:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper, winner of the great name competition!

He's no Butch Otter, Governor of Idaho, and definitely not a PK Dick character, no sir.
posted by palindromic at 5:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


I finally tuned in an hour ago and it feels like it's been just a parade of white guys since then. Look DNC, if I wanted to see a middle-aged white guy, I'd look in the mirror. That's not what I'm here for.

All due respect to these guys, I'm tired of the faces of the past. Show me more of the faces of the future please.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 5:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Shocking America, Martin O'Malley sprints to the stage and yells "Iacceptthenominationnotakebacks!" Turns out that's totally allowed. Prepare for O'Malleymentum.

Weren't you paying attention during the debates? When every sentence from him started with "in Baltimore" or "in Maryland?" Obviously he would say "In Baltimore, Iacceptthenominationnotakebacks!"
posted by zachlipton at 5:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Fear is not strength, fear is weakness."

When is this T-shirt gonna be on Hillary's web site?
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 5:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Someone tell me I'm not the only person seeing a strange resemblance to Tilda Swinton here.
posted by winna at 5:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


He's no Butch Otter, Governor of Idaho, and definitely not a PK Dick character, no sir.

I hear a Butch Otter is a real hot ticket at certain clubs.
posted by dis_integration at 5:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]



Shocking America, Martin O'Malley sprints to the stage and yells "Iacceptthenominationnotakebacks!" Turns out that's totally allowed. Prepare for O'Malleymentum.


Chaos is a ladder!
posted by drezdn at 5:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper, winner of the great name competition!
Close, but he comes in second. Just the other day, I told you guys about Toni Preckwinkle's (apparently now ex-) husband, Mr. Zeus Preckwinkle.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


like if Mark McKinney and Tilda Swinton had a baby and he grew up to be Governor of the great state of Colorado
posted by palindromic at 5:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I cannot believe the Washington delegation will act that way. It would disrespect their own party, the President, and Bernie himself, who spoke to the delegation. And I don't find it credible.

As someone who has been surrounded by Washington Busters shooting their mouth off for a year, the reports of WA delegates being tantrum prone strike me as entirely, depressingly plausible.
posted by EatTheWeek at 5:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


plz no more pokemon go jokes
posted by dis_integration at 5:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Someone tell me I'm not the only person seeing a strange resemblance to Tilda Swinton here.

The shape of the eye area kinda?
posted by sallybrown at 5:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Put down your Pokeymon Go for a second."
posted by winna at 5:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Just lost the Pokemon Go player voters.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


"Put down your Pokémon Go for just a second and go to HillaryClinton.com"
posted by zachlipton at 5:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Speaker: "Put down your Pokemon GO for just a second."
Guy in audience: "NO!"
posted by arcolz at 5:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [36 favorites]


"Put down your Pokemon Go for just a second..."

VOICE IN THE CROWD: NO
posted by palindromic at 5:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


"Put down your Pokemon Go for just a minute..."

Audience member: "NO!"
posted by biogeo at 5:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Put down your Pokemon Go? What kind of man is this?
posted by waitingtoderail at 5:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I don't understand how "It sure was hot in Philadelphia in 1776" is part of our national myth. We have records of the weather from Thomas Jefferson himself. The high temps were in the mid 70's to low 80's

That's outdoors. A bunch of people in a poorly ventilated space (they didn't want eavesdropping) gets considerably hotter.

Also a bunch of dudes were rocking calf stockings.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hickenlooper: "Put down your Pokemon Go for just a second."

Voice from the crowd: "NO!"
posted by joedan at 5:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Colorado has the second highest economy in the country (marijuana).
posted by Sophie1 at 5:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Someone tell me I'm not the only person seeing a strange resemblance to Tilda Swinton here.

You're not wrong.
posted by stet at 5:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


The high temps were in the mid 70's to low 80's. Sure that might be uncomfortable if you're wearing a powdered wig, a wool waistcoat and frock coat, but it not HOT HOT by any means.

Global warming has skewed our perceptions. These days, I don't get outta bed for anything less than 95.
posted by Salieri at 5:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ted Danson & Mary Steenburgen, big Paul Simon fans.
posted by winna at 5:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


tonight is definitely less interesting, as evidenced by the fact that i've apparently started painting my nails red, white (silver glitter), and blue.
posted by misskaz at 5:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Honestly, if you bought a few incubators, a day spent door-knocking would be a great way to hatch some poke-eggs
posted by showbiz_liz at 5:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


Put down your Pokemon Go? What kind of man is this?

Someone who is trying to maintain their tenuous grasp on the convention gym they run.
posted by drezdn at 5:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [35 favorites]


Dang it, I just had to use up a bunch of favorites for frikkin' Pokemon Go.
posted by biogeo at 5:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm placing lures at voter registration drives.
posted by stet at 5:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Pokemon Go is hip, no way this will hit the wrong note!
posted by Yowser at 5:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


the speakers tonight feel kinda flat. I hope they get better. they had great momentum yesterday and it would be a shame to squander it.

bahaha. ted danson wtf. "hers is the poetry of doing"
posted by mrjohnmuller at 5:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Detroit what!
posted by palindromic at 5:14 PM on July 28, 2016


Henrietta Ivey, home care worker & minimum wage advocate.
posted by winna at 5:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I wonder if the teleprompters aren't running smoothly or something, it seems like a lot of speakers are pausing and choking at weird moments.
posted by biogeo at 5:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Shocking America, Martin O'Malley sprints to the stage and yells "Iacceptthenominationnotakebacks!" Turns out that's totally allowed. Prepare for O'Malleymentum.

Only to be literally dunked on by David Simon.
posted by ethansr at 5:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


This is the most familiar accent to me of all speakers so far.
posted by palindromic at 5:15 PM on July 28, 2016


Is everyone drunk except Clinton tonight?
posted by Yowser at 5:16 PM on July 28, 2016


Chaos is a ladder!

I love the Chaos is a Ladder + O'Malley references because it's like the Cockney Rhyming Slang of Metareference!

Danson and Mary Steenburgen showed a remarkable lack of charisma for trained actors.
posted by Justinian at 5:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


EEE GREENSBORO! Hey hometown boy!
posted by showbiz_liz at 5:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ah, Grand Valley State is my partner's alma mater! A ten minute interlude to speak to our little house apparently.
posted by palindromic at 5:17 PM on July 28, 2016


Wow, Day 4 is a serious dropoff in energy. Sad!
posted by kirkaracha at 5:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Dave Wills, who is a school teacher and has student loans.
Beth Mathias, she works two jobs and her husband works the nightshift at a factory in Ohio. Hillary met Beth at a roundtable in Marion.
Jensen Walcott & Jake Reed, who are equal pay advocates.

I have to walk the pupper so I will be back in a second - those are the next people up on the segments. Back in a second!
posted by winna at 5:17 PM on July 28, 2016


Is everyone drunk except Clinton tonight?

Drunk and also on day 3 of their hangover.
posted by Blue Jello Elf at 5:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Okey doaky, here's a picture of the hall where you can see how many delegates are Bernie or Busters. (They're in the reflective shirts.) It's a pretty small proportion of the delegates, but I bet they're the number 1 story in the news tomorrow.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm a little surprised they're having Chloe Grace Moretz and Katy Perry right before Chelsea...I know Perry can get things pumped up if you're into pop! But Moretz seems a bit...I guess I really don't appreciate the way she talks about Kim Kardashian's choices and feel like perhaps she is a bit underseasoned in life so far. I wish there was an equivalent of the incredible woman who introduced the President last night.

Also, I saw Chelsea introduce her father a couple years back and she was not very energizing either.

I hope that intro video is really amazing, is I guess what I'm saying. (I had heard it was by Linda Bloodworth-Thomason rather than Shonda Rhimes but maybe that's wrong?)
posted by sallybrown at 5:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bow ties are mistake, kiddo. Also welcome to capitalism.
posted by dis_integration at 5:20 PM on July 28, 2016


The energy was super high before I went out to buy vital supplies, like gin. Now it feels a bit... deflated.

I hope I didn't break the DNC.
#Narcissist #LearningFromTheTrumpsterFire #ItsAlwaysAboutMe
posted by Superplin at 5:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


I think it would have been impossible to maintain the momentum. That it was fabulous for 3 straight nights is amazing as it is. So yes, tonight's been blah so far but maybe it will be better later. I'm skeptical because Hillary isn't Obama. She's not going to be able to deliver a speech the way Obama does or even her husband does. But her speech will still kick Trump's ass, which is the main thing.
posted by Bella Donna at 5:20 PM on July 28, 2016


Clinton should have spoken last night, and then had this day devoted to mimosas and a light buffet.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 5:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


Pizza Studio
Snapchat
Jensen

-I love it-

sexist wage disparity

-I fucking do not love it-

(these kids rock)
posted by sallybrown at 5:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


If anyone is worried about the amount of BoBs inside, this picture will make you feel better, I think.
posted by Tarumba at 5:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Aw nudging lil' Jake closer to the mic!!
posted by EatTheWeek at 5:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]




Bow ties are cool.
posted by biogeo at 5:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


The pizza snapchat kids were adorable!
posted by misskaz at 5:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Nah. Bow ties are cool.
posted by pemberkins at 5:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


oh come on jake you obviously know more about pizza
posted by entropicamericana at 5:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think a lot of the problem with tonight so far is the pacing being hurried. There's not a lot of zazzy music between the speakers and they seem a bit rushed? There's no time to get comfortable with them before they run off and another person walks on.
posted by sallybrown at 5:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf.

In other news it is still boiling outside.
posted by winna at 5:22 PM on July 28, 2016


I liked those kids
posted by maggiemaggie at 5:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I agree, tonight of all nights should have been high impact, but it's super low key.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 5:22 PM on July 28, 2016


Libertarian Candidate Tries to Get Mitt Romney to ‘Feel the Johnson’

Whaddya need that for, Dude?
posted by tclark at 5:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Aw pizza kids!!! Pulling me back in!
posted by dog food sugar at 5:22 PM on July 28, 2016


Oh man those Jensen and Jake kids are adorable and fucking AWESOME. Love them.
posted by dersins at 5:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Now I understand why they installed the black lights.
posted by Superplin at 5:23 PM on July 28, 2016


The pizza kids did really well.
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 5:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


She's not going to be able to deliver a speech the way Obama does or even her husband does. But her speech will still kick Trump's ass, which is the main thing.

Unless it's a massive dud, Clinton's speech may not matter too much:
After a week of rousing speeches, the pressure is on Hillary Clinton tonight. In our podcast today, however, Nate pointed out that the notability of a presidential candidate’s speech may not have much to do with whether he or she receives a convention bounce. In 1988, George H.W. Bush received one of the biggest bounces on record. But “it was the most perfunctory speech you can imagine,” Nate said, “where he was like, ‘I’m picking up the torch from Ronald Reagan, thousand points of light, blah blah blah, thank you.’ So I guess that means the expectations are low.”
posted by zombieflanders at 5:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


~*~ pizza studio kids 2024 ~*~
posted by telegraph at 5:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Having these two podiums is ominous. Is this an empty chair gambit?

"The empty podium is you, America!"
posted by mrjohnmuller at 5:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I thought the governor of the host state didn't come to the convention.
posted by kirkaracha at 5:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


When I left my last job I found out they hired a dude to do it at 20K more than they were paying me.

I hope they all get eaten by boll weevils.
posted by winna at 5:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [32 favorites]


Honestly, if you bought a few incubators, a day spent door-knocking would be a great way to hatch some poke-eggs

Until Tim Kaine calls you to tell you that hey hon, that's really running up the family data plan, ya gotta cut it out. But he won't take the charge out of your allowance. He's so proud of you.
posted by sallybrown at 5:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [35 favorites]


This guy could redeem his whole speech by saying, "And unlike Donald Trump, I am comfortable with my baldness."
posted by palindromic at 5:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


I hope the pizza kids have a great lawyer; firing people for discussing wages is illegal.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 5:25 PM on July 28, 2016


I hope they do too, winna.

Those pizza kids, tho! Adorbs!
posted by Sophie1 at 5:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Maddow thinks the boringness of this day is a deliberate strategy.
posted by dis_integration at 5:26 PM on July 28, 2016


Now I understand why they installed the black lights.

That's just so you don't see Delta Force coming to take down the Bernie delegates who chant during her speech.
posted by Talez at 5:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Friend of mine is a Bernie delegate; he said he was going to buy a glowing shirt but someone else snatched it up sooner. Sounds like they didn't order very many.
posted by dw at 5:26 PM on July 28, 2016


Maddow thinks the boringness of this day is a deliberate strategy.

There's so much canny stuff going on at this event, I would absolutely believe that.
posted by LobsterMitten at 5:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


I love the Chaos is a Ladder + O'Malley references because it's like the Cockney Rhyming Slang of Metareference!

To explain: The Wire's Mayor Carcetti was believed to be a reference to then-Baltimore Mayor Martin O'Malley. The Mayor became MD Governor and then DNC speaker while the actor playing Carcetti took the role of the scheming Littlefinger on Game of Thrones, whose signature line is "Chaos is a ladder."
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


I think Granholm is with us on the concern about the low key-ness.

(Gimme that red swing coat)
posted by sallybrown at 5:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Jennifer Granholm: Too Canadian to run for President!
posted by palindromic at 5:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Jennifer Granholm, former Governor of Michigan.
posted by winna at 5:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Finally, a speaker who had her coffee this morning!
posted by EatTheWeek at 5:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Now THIS lady is bringing the energy
posted by showbiz_liz at 5:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is Maddow's thought that this is to make Clinton look like a stronger speaker? Or is it sort of square and older-fashioned in order to appeal to undecided Republicans watching?
posted by LobsterMitten at 5:28 PM on July 28, 2016


Granholm's delivery is...odd.
posted by dersins at 5:29 PM on July 28, 2016


AWW YEAH JENNIFER GRANHOLM RAISE THE ROOF
posted by Andrhia at 5:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Maddow thinks the boringness of this day is a deliberate strategy.

To what end?
posted by sallybrown at 5:29 PM on July 28, 2016


You ARE fierce - get it, girl!
posted by palindromic at 5:29 PM on July 28, 2016


the automobile ruined america, jennifer. and the planet, too.
posted by entropicamericana at 5:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Probably to make Clinton seem all the more amazing by comparison?
posted by telegraph at 5:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Don't want to upstage the main attraction.
posted by artdrectr at 5:31 PM on July 28, 2016


Granholm's delivery is...odd.

She has the verve of someone on some kind of magical illegal substance, but I know someone else who acts exactly like this without chemical help...some people just operate at a higher frequency.
posted by sallybrown at 5:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


"She has plans. Imagine that, actual plans. I must've missed that night at the Republican National Convention."
posted by winna at 5:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


lol... "detailed plans, actually written down!" ... thank you for highlighting that.
posted by adamt at 5:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Detailed plans! Imagine that! I must have missed that night at the Republican Convention..." is a nice line.
posted by dersins at 5:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Donald Trump is in Iowa telling an audience how he wanted to hit people speaking at the DNC.
I am not making this up.
In particular he wanted to beat up a "little guy"


Donald Trump threatened to ‘hit’ several DNC speakers 'so hard' over their critical speeches
Some speculated that Trump had been referencing former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg as the “little guy,” who blasted the billionaire as a failed businessman on Wednesday.

Bloomberg is 5’8’’, which Trump would likely consider small, considering his “little” nickname for Marco Rubio, who is 5’10”.
posted by homunculus at 5:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Maddow thinks the boringness of this day is a deliberate strategy.

There's so much canny stuff going on at this event, I would absolutely believe that.


I was thinking that yesterday. Hillary isn't a great speaker, but a good speaker. I don't that she should follow a lot of the people from the first three days.
posted by bongo_x at 5:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Actually she kind of stumbled over her explanation and then cut to Granholm, so I think maybe it was yes, to make sure HRC isn't overshadowed. I assume that's why the real heavy hitters like Biden and Obama were last night.
posted by dis_integration at 5:31 PM on July 28, 2016


Jennifer Granholm is bringing all kinds of awesome.
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 5:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Donald, you're so vain you probably think this speech is about you"
posted by zachlipton at 5:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Finally, some mom jokes!
posted by carrienation at 5:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


HOW VAIN IS HE?
posted by biogeo at 5:32 PM on July 28, 2016


"Donald, you're so vain. You probably think this speech is about you."

It... it is?
posted by winna at 5:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


"Ask not what I can do for my country. Ask what my country can do for me!"
posted by palindromic at 5:32 PM on July 28, 2016


That doesn't make sense, though -- after Michelle, Biden, Kaine, and Obama, it took nothing at all to set me off sobbing like a tired and hungry baby, and hyper-responsive to anything I saw or heard. Seems she'd save a powerhouse or two for tonight.
posted by mochapickle at 5:32 PM on July 28, 2016


She's the Social Studies teacher who runs the drama club in the middle school where Tim Kaine is vice principal.
posted by sallybrown at 5:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [29 favorites]


Loving Granholm's "You're So Vain" riff.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:32 PM on July 28, 2016


I bet you think this speech is about you

First genuine LOL of the DNC for me
posted by maggiemaggie at 5:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


The narrative about Trump stiffing small businesses is making me a little nervous. In 2008, Hillary's campaign wound up sorta doing the same thing.

Obviously it's different, because she's not running on her reputation as a businesswoman. And I remember there was fundraising run through BO's campaign to settle those debts. Anyone remember how it all shook out?
posted by feral_goldfish at 5:33 PM on July 28, 2016


Trump: "but... the speech is about me..."
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 5:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


She's going in now, though.
posted by penduluum at 5:33 PM on July 28, 2016


OHANA BITCHES!
posted by Talez at 5:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


She's got the crowd hyped, that energy (regardless of what substance is or isn't providing it) is infectious.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:33 PM on July 28, 2016


Woah this vision of a socially and environmentally stable future made me feel as giddy as Bernie's speeches.
posted by Tarumba at 5:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I love the Lilo and Stitch theme too - got to be deliberate right?
posted by LobsterMitten at 5:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


She's like a manic pixie dream girl version of Kes from Voyager.
posted by Diagonalize at 5:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Was the "dreamer in Nevada" line a DREAM Act reference? If so, that was awesome.
posted by dersins at 5:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I enjoy Clinton's speeches and I think she is talented compared to the vast majority of the population, but she is not someone who comes to my mind as a truly gifted orator compared to her husband or Obama or.. a lot of other people we've seen. I imagine they are setting it up so she isn't a giant letdown after some firebrand preceding her.
posted by gatorae at 5:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is weird. Dave Wills was my freshman year Resident Assistant at Grand Valley State. He also went to school with Petey Pablo, or that's what he said on the first day.
posted by pseudodionysus at 5:34 PM on July 28, 2016


Some speculated that Trump had been referencing former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg as the “little guy,” who blasted the billionaire as a failed businessman on Wednesday.

Bloomberg is 6" shorter than Trump, but about 100 times richer, so little depends on your perspective.
posted by dis_integration at 5:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Jennifer Granholm folks. She will lite you up.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


The other day people were asking where the female politicians with charisma were... that's how you do it.
posted by maggiemaggie at 5:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


You're So Vain... anyone under 30 years old, or not from the US, or who just doesn't care about 70's pop music, might not catch the reference.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 5:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Just FYI to the non-Michiganders: Rick Snyder, the Michigan Governor who presided over the destruction of Flint's water system, followed Jennifer Granholm as Governor because she was term-limited from running again.
posted by palindromic at 5:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Doug Elmets, rich dude and former Reagan Administration official.
posted by winna at 5:35 PM on July 28, 2016


CACKLING
posted by showbiz_liz at 5:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Does anyone else have a terrible stomachache in anticipation of what the Bernie Bros have planned? I'm seeing some kind of dreadful street theatre/direct action around stolen votes. Their revenge.
posted by argybarg at 5:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Nothing as satisfactory as a Republican attacking Trump.
posted by Tarumba at 5:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Was the "dreamer in Nevada" line a DREAM Act reference? If so, that was awesome.
Pretty sure, yes.

Yeaaaah, I know I am not the target audience, but I don't want to hear how great Ronald fucking Reagan was.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


This is my kind of republican.
posted by stet at 5:36 PM on July 28, 2016


"You're no not even Ronald Reagan."
posted by biogeo at 5:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Reagan dude: "I worked for Ronald Reagan. Donald Trump is no Ronald Reagan."

Yay?
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 5:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Some speculated that Trump had been referencing former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg as the “little guy,” who blasted the billionaire as a failed businessman on Wednesday.

But afraid to name him? Interesting. I don't remember Bloomberg making veiled references.
posted by bongo_x at 5:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Okay yes, big tent and all that, I understand that this is an infomercial for Hillary Clinton. But do I really have to hear people lionizing Reagan over here too?
posted by penduluum at 5:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Some speculated that Trump had been referencing former New York mayor Michael Bloomberg as the “little guy,” who blasted the billionaire as a failed businessman on Wednesday.

I figured he was talking about the guy with dwarfism because that's about the only man Trump might be brave enough to punch.
posted by peeedro at 5:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


I'm kind of cackling over the "Regan understood nuance" line.
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 5:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Okay, but for real, Ronald Reagan was a garbage President, whose presidency is the inflection point for every terrible trend in America today.
posted by palindromic at 5:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [51 favorites]


"That's why this year I will vote for a Democrat for the first time."
posted by winna at 5:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Just a recollection on this night...

I was working at an ad agency in Portland Maine when Bill Clinton was first running for President. One of my clients was a hotel-owning couple and a campaign event was held at their property one night. The next morning, they hosted a small breakfast with the Clintons, inviting a few business leaders. They had a chance to see and interact with the Clintons for a few hours between the two events.

I was eager to hear what Bill was like, and although my clients were very favorably impressed ("amazingly charismatic and compelling"), what they really wanted to talk about was Hillary. They were bowled over by her "His wife is the brilliant one - in any fair world, she would be the one running." They couldn't stop raving about how brilliant she was, "the brains behind the man."

That was the first time I ever heard the name Hillary Clinton. I've lost touch with them but I've thought of their words so many times in the quarter of a century since. I raise a toast to them tonight for "calling it" and for putting her on my radar, it made me pay more attention to her early on.
posted by madamjujujive at 5:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [84 favorites]


Even though Reagan is burning in hell with Thatcher.
posted by stet at 5:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Granholm is FIERCE and bringing it! What is her role going to be in the next administration?
posted by Sophie1 at 5:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Great song, but Donald Trump is no Mick Jagger.
posted by feral_goldfish at 5:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Good for this guy. A true Corb Republican.
posted by biogeo at 5:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Jennifer Pierotti Lim who is Director of Health Policy, U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the co-founder of Republican Women for Hillary.
posted by winna at 5:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Slate live blog shows California delegates with altered "LIAR" signs.
posted by ftm at 5:38 PM on July 28, 2016


My favorite Clinton speeches are when she's working with a Full Combo Meter and gives no shits if she comes off as angry or not. The Sacramento Foreign Policy Speech, for example. My favorite Clinton stage move is when she nods at applause and cheers like, "Yes, you're doing good. We're doing good, yes, this is correct."
posted by EatTheWeek at 5:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Laughed out loud at "You're no Ronald Reagan."

"Loyalty our country is more important than loyalty to party" ... "join me in voting for Hillary Clinton."

And ooo, they're bringing out a cluster of Republicans to say "I'm voting for Hillary," and explaining why. YAY!
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 5:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


'I'm gonna say "repeat" twice though'
posted by MCMikeNamara at 5:39 PM on July 28, 2016


the PEARLS. That is like a flashing red sign that says Moderate Southern Republican Who Is A Bit Uncomfortable With This Trump Fellow
posted by showbiz_liz at 5:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


"In Donald Trump's world it doesn't matter what my accomplishments are, it just matters how attractive I am on a scale of one to ten."
posted by winna at 5:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


I love Jennifer Pierotti Lim's eloquence.
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 5:39 PM on July 28, 2016


I have so much respect for these Republicans who come out to support Hillary and publically reject Trump. I hate to see so much snark against them; they are doing a hell of a lot more for the progressive cause than the Bernie or Busters at the moment.
posted by gatorae at 5:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [68 favorites]


Man, our big tent sure is getting crowded.
posted by biogeo at 5:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Okay yes, big tent and all that, I understand that this is an infomercial for Hillary Clinton. But do I really have to hear people lionizing Reagan over here too?

Can we please grok for a second that if you want the person you support to win, they will need at least some votes from people who don't see the world the way you do?
posted by dry white toast at 5:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [52 favorites]


Reagan dude: "I worked for Ronald Reagan. Donald Trump is no Ronald Reagan."

Yay?


I'll say yay. The republicans have been actively vilifying Hillary Clinton for 25 years. I know several California republicans that don't like Trump, but may end up voting for him because they can't stand Hillary. I don't agree with this guy, but I absolutely want moderate republicans to feel that it's okay to vote for Clinton in this election.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 5:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [22 favorites]


Dallas Sheriff Lupe Valdez.
posted by winna at 5:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I appreciate Clinton's speaking style because her cautious professionalism paved the way for ladies like me to be wise-cracking assholes when we give public talks.
posted by palindromic at 5:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


Lionizing the dude who refused to utter the word "AIDS" until 1987 is pretty messed up.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 5:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


"Okay, but for real, Ronald Reagan was a garbage President"

This is the reason why we can't quite insult a Republican like another Republican can.
posted by Tarumba at 5:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh shit where did they find this woman, this is perfect
posted by showbiz_liz at 5:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


they are doing a hell of a lot more for the progressive cause than the Bernie or Busters at the moment.

My bike bag is doing a hell of a lot more for the progressive cause than the Bernie or Busters at the moment.
posted by Bella Donna at 5:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


"Granholm is FIERCE and bringing it! What is her role going to be in the next administration?"

That's not exactly how I remember her delivery when she was gov here. And I think she'd make a darn fine SC justice. There's precedent for an ex-exec on the court.
posted by klarck at 5:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Just heard a (white) Sanders delegate accuse a (black) Clinton delegate of "sending us to the back of the bus."

I wonder if he was one of the fucksticks trying to block Rep. John Lewis from voting this morning.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


I love that the thought "I want this sheriff's lipstick" just ran through my mind.
posted by sallybrown at 5:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [28 favorites]


Having been alive but not that political at the time, it was not a secret that Hillary was big part of Bill's presidency, I think that's where the hate started. Some thought she was running the show, some thought they did it together.
posted by bongo_x at 5:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Quick reminder that "Reagan Democrat" is shorthand for "white supremacist who hadn't yet got on board with the Republicans until Reagan made even more obvious what Nixon started".
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


From elsewhere "Hillary Clinton made a wish on a focus group and she sprung to life"
posted by showbiz_liz at 5:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


How come "we have to start listening to each other" always means "you have to start listening to me"?
posted by penduluum at 5:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Valdez: "The only way to serve your community is to know your community."
posted by mochapickle at 5:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


DPD is trying, no police dept. is near what my ideal looks like but eventually...maybe...But there's a LOT of work to do.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:44 PM on July 28, 2016


Dallas Sheriff Lupe Valdez: "At least 4 tables had offered to pay for our meal. My girlfriend and I teared up."
posted by arcolz at 5:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Black Lives Matter" shouts during the Sheriff's moment of silence for police officers.
posted by TwoStride at 5:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I wonder if he was one of the fucksticks trying to block Rep. John Lewis from voting this morning.

Whoa, wtf? Do you have a link for this?
posted by EatTheWeek at 5:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"A moment of silence! What a perfect opportunity for some hollerin'!"
posted by contraption at 5:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Pretty shitty to heckle during a minute of silence.
posted by Tarumba at 5:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [23 favorites]


Just heard a (white) Sanders delegate accuse a (black) Clinton delegate of "sending us to the back of the bus."

You miserable, Buster twit. You do not get to appropriate Black suffering like that. Don't even. Just don't even. I am one super angry white lady former Bernie supporter.
posted by Bella Donna at 5:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [23 favorites]


Family members of police officers who have been killed are on stage.
posted by winna at 5:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ugh, this is so fresh, with the fallen Dallas officers' families. Hurts. I can't imagine how they're feeling.
posted by missmobtown at 5:46 PM on July 28, 2016


So last night's speech was to shake the vulnerable-to-reason Republicans loose and the purpose of tonight is to sweep them all up, I see.
posted by sallybrown at 5:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


Fuckers.
posted by Splunge at 5:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I grew up in dallas and as a teenager I was regularly harassed and assaulted by police because I was a young punk who looked different from the norm. I still have issues trusting police. I'm not gonna go into details here, but I'm trying on my side to recognize that DPD is trying and it is *hard* given my experiences growing up.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


Yeah, I think a lot of the evening so far is definitely aimed at reassuring White Straight Suburban America. Which is why it all feels pretty uninspiring to us hippie-pinko-internet wierdos.
posted by soundguy99 at 5:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [45 favorites]


winna, thank you for the links you've been providing for each of the speakers! I'm really appreciating the valuable context.
posted by arcolz at 5:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


God, the behavior of these BoB assholes is making me really retroactively regret supporting Bernie. This must be what reasonable thoughtful Republicans felt like when Tea Partiers starting acting like jackasses.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 5:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [26 favorites]


I know I'm old, but there's two things that can happen in November. Some folks need to decide which one they want, for real.
posted by ftm at 5:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


A moment of silence. Nice. Maybe a moment of silence for Freddie Gray, Philando Castile, and just a few others too, Sheriff?

Wasn't there one on Tuesday?
posted by showbiz_liz at 5:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I really admire the work the DNC has done aiming each night to a different part of America. Not me. Us.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Grandpa (?) looks so adorable.
posted by Tarumba at 5:49 PM on July 28, 2016


After 3 nights of just killing it, tonight has been brutal.
posted by Yowser at 5:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


As a hippy weirdo in the 70s, I get the point.
posted by Splunge at 5:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Maybe a moment of silence for Freddie Gray, Philando Castile, and just a few others too, Sheriff?

They had one on Tuesday. Black lives matter, and everyone deserves to be remembered.
posted by biogeo at 5:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


I hear you Lupe, but you have to quit tolerating the assholes in your ranks if you want people to believe you. Democrats likewise.
posted by bongo_x at 5:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


This part is difficult for me to watch. The stories of the lost officers. The excellent parents discuss their excellent children lost while working in service to their communities.
posted by Oyéah at 5:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


There are a lot of police who get into the job because they are kind, noble, and want to help their communities. They want to protect and serve.

There are also a lot who get into it because they want to carry a gun and "beat up bad guys," and they relish the ability to define "bad guys" as anyone who annoys them.

Backlash against the police is likely to hit the first category more, because they're more likely to take calls into "iffy" areas, more likely to assess a situation before they start shooting.

I am saddened to hear about those who lost their lives; I would like to see reforms made in police departments to get rid of the second category that brings fear and hatred to the whole department.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 5:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


Be patient. Kareem is coming up.
posted by chaoticgood at 5:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeah, I know I'm not the target audience. I know the DNC needs to acknowledge the losses of both the Black community and the police, but the problem is the false equivalency. For public consumption it's presented as those losses are equal when they are anything but. So many Black people have died; as y'all know, there's a huge disparity. But that can't be acknowledged outright. Maybe not even implicitly. Which sucks so much.
posted by Bella Donna at 5:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [25 favorites]


I'll tell you this, several of the BLM people I follow on Twitter are not happy ATM.
posted by waitingtoderail at 5:51 PM on July 28, 2016


I just wish that it were a bit less "#notallcops" right now and emphasized more on "working to gain their communities' trust" or "working for more accountability" from these speakers as well.
posted by TwoStride at 5:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


I really admire the work the DNC has done aiming each night to a different part of America. Not me. Us.

This is a BIG ASS coalition. We're all going to have to give a little and even hold our noses. We've got to learn how to be better at being critical in a way that builds stronger bridges.

I've been cocky, bitchy, dismissive, self-righteous, mean. But *in* the tent, we gotta do it differently. Unfortunately the busters are about all but booted from the tent. They done fucked up their chances to be heard in this convention as far as I am concerned. Get on board or get off at this point.
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [24 favorites]


I don't live in Dallas so I shouldn't blame her for everyone else's actions though.
posted by bongo_x at 5:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


If you still on the Jill Stein train.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hm. All those glowshirts the Busters have on ... are they planning to try and spell something out in the crowd?
posted by EatTheWeek at 5:53 PM on July 28, 2016


Actually this is the first time I have stopped and allowed myself to feel compassion for the policemen.

It sounds awful but I was kind of forcing myself to avoid that, and it's like a little revelation that I can grieve for both sides and at the same time know that one side is at a vast disadvantage.
posted by Tarumba at 5:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


I am pleased with this musical development.
posted by stet at 5:53 PM on July 28, 2016


"Meanwhile, Jill Stein says electing Hillary will usher in extremism like Nazi Germany"

Ugh.
posted by winna at 5:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm working so haven't been able to stay on top of things throughout the day. Is the plan for all of those people in yellow shirts to shout over Clinton's speech? Because I'm really bad at watching people trying to humiliate others in public places, it makes me really nervous. Maybe I'll just keep working through the night.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 5:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


HOLY SHIT hhahaahahahaha
posted by sallybrown at 5:54 PM on July 28, 2016


This is why it's so important that we reform the toxic "thin blue line" mentality in police culture. Good, honest people who were attracted to the job out of a sense of civic responsibility become genuinely complicit in the criminal abuses of those who use the job to act out their toxic power fantasies, and a wedge is driven between our humanity and theirs.
posted by biogeo at 5:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Ok, so that was a misstep. But I also know someone whose brother was a cop who was shot and killed in the line of duty (and who has posted a couple of things on Facebook in support of BLM, or at least against the idea that it's insulting to cops who died in the line of duty), and I sort of can't take the idea of being disrespectful to the families of murdered anyone.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


Biff Tannen.
posted by box at 5:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Huh, interesting turn with the bullying video.
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 5:54 PM on July 28, 2016


There's a bullying montage interspersed with Donald Trump video. It's amazing.
posted by winna at 5:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Okay this makes up for everything so far.
posted by sallybrown at 5:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hahaha Hahaha Trump you are a FUCKING BULLY
posted by Tarumba at 5:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


The bully montage is pretty effective.
posted by palindromic at 5:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I have so much respect for these Republicans who come out to support Hillary and publically reject Trump. I hate to see so much snark against them; they are doing a hell of a lot more for the progressive cause than the Bernie or Busters at the moment.

Repeating for truth.

God, the behavior of these BoB assholes is making me really retroactively regret supporting Bernie. This must be what reasonable thoughtful Republicans felt like when Tea Partiers starting acting like jackasses.

The people I feel bad for right now are the Sanders supporters who wanted spots as delegates but didn't get 'em because they weren't fervent enough.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 5:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


I honestly love this. I don't see it as just pandering to Republicans at all, because - the vision these particular people are presenting of community-minded, compassionate police is exactly what we're trying to achieve, right? This isn't just saying "blue lives matter too!", it's changing the story about what police should be like.
posted by showbiz_liz at 5:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [26 favorites]


Video montage: Bullies in movies juxataposed with footage of Trump insulting people - R Lee Ermey in Full Metal Jacket!
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 5:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


This bully segment is good. Very good.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ow. That bullies montage... *sniff* right in the feels.
posted by adamt at 5:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


my god... they need to run the Bullying video in every ad slot they can buy.
posted by nathan_teske at 5:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


No clips from alternate-1985? I mean, that Biff IS Donald Trump.
posted by Taft at 5:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Reverend William Barber, president of the NC NAACP!
posted by winna at 5:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


God, the behavior of these BoB assholes is making me really retroactively regret supporting Bernie. This must be what reasonable thoughtful Republicans felt like when Tea Partiers starting acting like jackasses.

I know a lot of Republicans were embarrassed by the Tea Party. I'm understanding how they felt. (I don't regret supporting Bernie, but then the Busters haven't managed to insert an orange toddler into our process.)
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Donald Trump = Scott Farkus!

He had yellow eyes! So, help me, God! Yellow eyes!
posted by ActingTheGoat at 5:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


That bully video will go pretty well with Trump's rally where he threatened to punch people in the face.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:56 PM on July 28, 2016


He says he is not here on behalf of any organization, that he is here to speak about faith and morality.
posted by winna at 5:57 PM on July 28, 2016


Omg my god... they need to run the Bullying video in every ad slot they can buy.

Make it about three times as long. I volunteer as tribute to watch 80s movies to scan for relevant clips. That was GOLD.
posted by sallybrown at 5:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh he just delivered the most marvellously balanced sentence about how some people are talking so much about what god had talked about so little, but talked so little about what god had talked about so much. It was positively Elizabethan.
posted by winna at 5:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [60 favorites]


It hit me watching Hillary speaking with that girl who asked her about bullying -

Hillary wasn't just a candidate then. She was a mother thinking back to having had to have conversations about bullies with her daughter.

I want a hug
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


I think I'm just going to do whatever this guy tells me to do.
posted by stet at 5:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


He kind of has a Welsh accent, the way he pronounces "hungreh" or "merceh"
posted by Tarumba at 5:59 PM on July 28, 2016


I tuned in midway through but to me it looked more like a play for compassion within the community. Yeah, they could probably say we need to work with our community better but I'm hopeful that having compassion for each other implies that.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 5:59 PM on July 28, 2016


"Jesus, a brown-skinned Palestinian Jew..."
posted by biogeo at 5:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [52 favorites]


Well, see, this I can get behind. I love this man.
posted by penduluum at 5:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Jesus, a brown-skinned Palestinian Jew, called us to preach the good news to the poor."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 5:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


"Jesus, a brown-skinned Palestinian Jew, calls us to minister to the poor, the broken, the helpless."
posted by winna at 5:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [23 favorites]


It is a good thing those other bullies are fictional characters and therefore cannot be insulted by being compared to Donald Trump.
posted by ckape at 5:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Jesus, brown skinned Palestinian Jew
posted by OmieWise at 5:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


So basically, we need to turn the entire rest of the DNC over to speakers from the black church rhetorical tradition.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


That'll preach.
posted by palindromic at 5:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Palestinian!
posted by Scram at 5:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Jesus, [who was] a brown-skinned Palestinian Jew"

Looks like someone's deviating from the Texas School Board's approved texts.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


Where is winna who is talking 😭
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:59 PM on July 28, 2016


I want to give this man a favorite!
posted by maggiemaggie at 5:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


If anybody has a link to the bullying video
posted by cashman at 6:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]




"...They are right versus wrong". Hell, yes!
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 6:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh look, you can have a religious speech that mixes bible verses and political documents and have major emotional impact without screaming at anyone!
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 6:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [21 favorites]


I see you Abe Lincoln look-a-like.
posted by sallybrown at 6:00 PM on July 28, 2016


It's still Reverend Barber, NC NAACP President! I am still here!
posted by winna at 6:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh, my.
 
posted by Herodios at 6:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"WE ARE REVIVING THE HEART OF OUR DEMOCRACY."
posted by winna at 6:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


I am like the most atheist and I might be tearing up a little bit
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [32 favorites]


This is the kind of preaching an atheist like me can get behind. I might even yell out an AMEN at the end of this one.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [30 favorites]


So basically, we need to turn the entire rest of the DNC over to speakers from the black church rhetorical tradition.

First amendment protection synergies.
posted by ethansr at 6:02 PM on July 28, 2016


Okay, hat tip to the DNC. Well-played, Mister Minister.
posted by Bella Donna at 6:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I want to hug this man.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Rev. Barber is downright fierce. I love it.
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 6:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


TAKE ME TO CHURCH AND TAKE ALL MAH MONEY!!!
posted by ramix at 6:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


PREACH
posted by rtha at 6:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


... Is that the first time non-Abrahamic religions have been mentioned in the convention(s) so far?
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 6:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


And those that have no faith! Thank you!
posted by ActingTheGoat at 6:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [38 favorites]


Rev Barber is one of the very best we have! He came to Atlanta to try to help us start our own Moral Mondays movement, and it was just amazing to hear him speak. I'm so glad he's there tonight.
posted by hydropsyche at 6:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Woot, where my atheists at?
posted by carrienation at 6:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [27 favorites]


Those who have no faith but they love this nation!!!
posted by telegraph at 6:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


This atheist has to do something about his problem with getting choked up at preachers and gospel songs.

"When we love the Jewish child and the Palestinian child..."
posted by OmieWise at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


For the first time in years I wish I was religious.

Also: loving Palestinian and Jewish children

Fuck me I have goosebumps
posted by Tarumba at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Reverend, you have this atheist doing baptist hands and saying amen in her living room!
posted by pupperduck at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


I love this guy so much.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016


Dang, I wasn't watching when the bully piece ran. That sounds really good. Are they posting the pre-recorded segments anywhere online?
posted by scaryblackdeath at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016


I'm a lapsed Catholics and I'm about to do a praise shout here this is INCREDIBLE.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


These's some of that hippie nip I was missing
posted by MCMikeNamara at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm singing ~Daniel Webster eyes~ to the tune of Bette Davis Eyes for Rev. Barber.
posted by sallybrown at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016


Progressive Christians are way better allies to atheists in the humanist tradition than the libertarian atheist bros that dominate online atheist discourse.
posted by palindromic at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [70 favorites]


Acknowledgment of atheists! I love this Christian!
posted by biogeo at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Ok more quotes plz my toddler refuses to go to sleep she's filibustering til Hillary comes out probably
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Most of the convention center is on its feet now.
posted by winna at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016


Love the shout out to people who have no faith but love their country. Like, even my tribe was included. How did he do that?
posted by Bella Donna at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Hey! "...and those who have no faith, but they love this nation." Thanks, man!
posted by Don Pepino at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


"We love the Palestinian child, and the Jewish child. And the Muslim. And the Buddhist. [...] And the child who has no faith."
Goddamn. Crying.
posted by Superplin at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Damn this guy is good.
posted by aspo at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016


First callout to the atheists?
posted by LobsterMitten at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


HEY thanks for the shoutout to atheists dude and I mean that sincerely
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [39 favorites]


These speakers are so persuasive, but I wonder how many people are watching who aren't already persuaded.
posted by DanSachs at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Shout out to athiests!

Also, can this guy shut up the BernieBabbies?
posted by stet at 6:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Let me be clear that she nor any person can do it alone. The watchword of this democracy and the watchword of faith is WE."
posted by winna at 6:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


I wish they wouldn't catch so many people yawning in the audience, yikes.
But much love to this minister!
posted by Glinn at 6:04 PM on July 28, 2016


"When we resist the proliferation of military weapons on our streets and when we break the stranglehold of the NRA we are reviving our democracy."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [22 favorites]


"The watchword of democracy is 'we'"
posted by ashirys at 6:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Second callout to atheists this convention, btw.
posted by stet at 6:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


And upon posting, I am not the only athiest who is moved. Preach!
posted by pupperduck at 6:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I never felt quite like this when I was actually a bona fide Southern Baptist.
posted by mochapickle at 6:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


The watchword of this democracy....is "we"
posted by OmieWise at 6:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


FOREMOTHERS AND FATHERS. Good God.
posted by mynameisluka at 6:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


Reverend Barber, NC NAACP President, is my new official preacher. (I'm... an atheist, I guess? A "person with no religion" is probably more accurate. Not really the same.)
posted by Superplin at 6:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Foremothers and fathers. Nice!
posted by stet at 6:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Well I've definitely never seen a convention speech that spoke so specifically to me, an atheist medical student.
posted by telegraph at 6:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


FOREMOTHERS
posted by mothershock at 6:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Speech of the day so far. I'm sold.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 6:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


I want the Reverend to get Donald Trump in a room alone with him and put the moral defibrillator on him
posted by missmobtown at 6:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [33 favorites]


THE MORAL DEFIBRILLATORS OF OUR TIME!!!
posted by soundguy99 at 6:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


"America has a heart problem."

"We are being called to be the moral defibrillators of our times."

"We must shock this nation with the power of love."

"We must shock this nation with the power of mercy"

"We must shock this nation with justice for all"
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [62 favorites]


Can we nominate HIM?
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I will definitely go back and watch Rev Barber's speech again.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 6:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Atheists!
posted by phliar at 6:06 PM on July 28, 2016


We must shock this nation with the power of love. We must shock this nation with the power of mercy. [...] We cannot give up on the heart of this nation, not now, not ever.
posted by penduluum at 6:06 PM on July 28, 2016


"Foremothers and forefathers"

I nominate this guy for official Clinton Hype Guy.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


"Oh he didn't mean literally 'stand up'" I say, sitting back down dejected.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 6:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Everyone who is LOVING this please check out Moral Mondays if you haven't already!!!!
posted by sallybrown at 6:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Is there a Heart in the House?

Is there a Heart for the Poor?

Then Stand Up
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


So I guess that's the answer to the "were they deliberately having boring speakers tonight?" question.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Um. I'm with him. and her.

I'm nodding yes.

Oh god I love this man.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


THIS IS INSANE. THIS IS SO GREAT. HALLELUJAH, SAYS THIS GIRL, WHO HAS NO FAITH BUT SHE LOVES THIS COUNTRY.
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 6:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [23 favorites]


HALLELUJAH!
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hallelujah!

I want to post this speech on facebook
posted by maggiemaggie at 6:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am driving to North Carolina to see this man. I just can with his beautiful heart.
posted by Tarumba at 6:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think he just faith healed everybody's hangover.
posted by stet at 6:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Tough act to follow, Kareem...
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:07 PM on July 28, 2016


What did Rev. Barber say after "Hallelujah!"?
posted by carmicha at 6:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"We can't give up on the heart of our democracy. Not now, not ever. And so I stop by here tonight to ask 'is there a heart in this house? is there a heart in America? is there somebody ho has a heart for the poor and the vulnerable?' Then stand up. Vote together. Organize together. And while you are doing that, sing that old hymn 'Fill each heart with Thy love; May each soul be rekindled. With fire from above. Hallelujah!"
posted by winna at 6:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [21 favorites]


You guys I know this is like blasphemy but this is at least on par with both Obama speeches
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Damnit PCN, why have you broken to a commercial NOW????
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 6:07 PM on July 28, 2016


#leaguepassalert
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


This, too, is American Christianity.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [37 favorites]


That was spectacular. That was so good it locked up my stream of the show.
posted by EatTheWeek at 6:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


OH SNAP
posted by Justinian at 6:07 PM on July 28, 2016


Oh shit, my face just melted from that burn!
posted by dirigibleman at 6:07 PM on July 28, 2016


Buuuuuuuuurn.
posted by mochapickle at 6:07 PM on July 28, 2016


Nice one Kareem.
posted by ZeusHumms at 6:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
posted by penduluum at 6:07 PM on July 28, 2016


Kareem Abdul-Jabaar has a hard act to follow but I have faith in him!
posted by winna at 6:07 PM on July 28, 2016


LOL Michael Jordan! omg that was an amazing line.
posted by gatorae at 6:07 PM on July 28, 2016


Kareem Abdul Jabbar is up.

That podium looks tiny.

"I'm Michael Jordan and I'm here with Hillary."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh Kareem!!! Trump couldn't tell the difference!
posted by phliar at 6:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Motherfucking shade from Kareem!
posted by OmieWise at 6:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


lol did the band just give him a literal rimshot?
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I guarantee that no white atheist will be turned away from a church like that, though you may find the depth of friendliness too much to handle.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 6:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


Wow! That is some high-octane call-and-response!
posted by mhum at 6:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


He introduced himself as Michael Jordan; he said Donald Trump couldn't tell he and Jordan apart. BURN.
posted by winna at 6:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


Its official: the Dems now hold the moral high ground on guns, gays, and God.
 
posted by Herodios at 6:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Kareem's burn as unstoppable as the skyhook
posted by strange chain at 6:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


Carmicha: I believe it was "power and the glory".
posted by penduluum at 6:08 PM on July 28, 2016


Heh. Kareem's dig @ Trump got a "bah-dum-dum" sting from the drummer. Nice.
posted by soundguy99 at 6:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm torn because, on the one hand, yay protest and democracy and speaking truth to power and all that.

But these protestors have not been silenced. Their candidate was given a fair hearing and didn't get enough votes. Still, his surrogates were highly involved in building a platform that brought both camps together. The narrative that they were cheated or that the election was rigged is a false one.

And frankly, there are different optics at work when the candidate is someone who has been historically shut out of the presidential race - a black man, or a woman - and it's silly to ignore that. We've all acknowledged the racism underlying the obstructionist practices of the Republicans over the past eight years. Well, in the light of Gamergate and the long-time online harassment of women that has just barely started to be addressed, the idea of seeing the first woman Democratic Presidential candidate heckled and shouted down leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

And I mean, Hillary can take it. More than anyone else out there, she can take it. And anyone running for the Presidency has to accept criticism, no matter their race or gender. But I can't help how upset I'm preemptively getting at the idea of her getting spoken over - as if she just needs to sit down and shut up, and how dare she speak - and I really hope the protestors decide to quietly leave if they decide they need to make a statement somehow.
posted by Salieri at 6:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [31 favorites]


Jennifer Granholm folks. She will lite you up.

For extra Jennifer granholm fun you can watch her a day her ginormous hair on a late 70s Dating Game
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 6:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Started off a bit slow, but man, today is really hitting its straps with these last couple of speeches. All about pacing I guess.
posted by adamt at 6:09 PM on July 28, 2016


well I'm crying again
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


If anybody has a link to the bullying video

This is the footage from a campaign stop that makes up the second half of the video. It's just super cute that as soon as the girl says people are afraid her asthma is contagious, Hillary pulls her into a hug.
posted by peeedro at 6:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Well, there goes my favorites limit for the day.
posted by biogeo at 6:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I'm Michael Jordan!"
 
posted by Herodios at 6:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Has there been any speaker at the DNC that didn't seem more genuinely qualified that Trump? I'd vote for Kareem over Trump if it came to it.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 6:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


So basically, we need to turn the entire rest of the DNC over to speakers from the black church rhetorical tradition.

In the book Parliament of Whores, P.J. O'Rourke wrote about Jesse Jackson's convention speech in 1988: "I did, however, want to hear Jesse Jackson's speech. He is the only living American politician with a mastery of classical rhetoric. Assonance, alliteration, litotes, pleonasm, parallelism, exclamation, climax and epigram -- to hear him is to hear everything mankind has learned about public speaking since Demosthenes. Thus Jackson, the advocate for people who believe themselves to be excluded from Western culture, was the only 1988 presidential candidate to display any of it."
posted by wenestvedt at 6:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [46 favorites]


Khizr Khan, who is the dad of Captain Humayun Khan, one of 14 Muslim servicemen who died while serving is about to speak. Hillary is explaining the situation in a video.
posted by winna at 6:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


I dunno, Pizza Boy probably isn't qualified to be President. I wouldn't go so far as to say he was less qualified than Trump though. About equal.
posted by Justinian at 6:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


now I'm hard crying
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'd vote for the pizza kids over Trump in a heartbeat, and they don't even meet the formal qualifications.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:11 PM on July 28, 2016


Right there with you, Salieri. Talking over Clinton is just a terrible look.
posted by Superplin at 6:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'd vote for Inanimate Carbon Rod over that fascist buffoon.
posted by phliar at 6:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Has there been any speaker at the DNC that didn't seem more genuinely qualified that Trump?

Nope.

Including the speakers under 21.
posted by soundguy99 at 6:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


These stories I mean this I know this is politics but honestly it's making me think about life and how much pain and love there is in the world.

I love it
posted by Tarumba at 6:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


oh gosh I think it was low key earlier because I'm going to need all my tears for this
posted by sallybrown at 6:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Just saw (on the PBS/NPR feed) a young Muslim woman (in hijab) holding up an iPhone that had a No Trump sign on the screen. Behind her, a middle-aged white guy was shoving some sort of pizza/bread/packaged food product into his mouth.

it seems like a metaphor for something i dunno what
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


How much longer until Hillary speaks? I'm supposed to be in class for another 3.5 hours tonight but fuck a whole lot of that, I still have wine and like half of last night's rotisserie chicken left and I need more speechifyin'. Bail on class in like 45 minutes?
posted by palomar at 6:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Anyone else stuck backstage? I'm not seeing MJ on the Demvention live feed....
posted by danapiper at 6:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'd vote for Kareem over Trump if it came to it.

He is actually the co-author of several historical accounts of black experience - he is an intelligent man and would be far better at it.
posted by winna at 6:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [23 favorites]


DNC2016 twitch stream is doing a backstage promo while the PBS Newshour stream is up.
posted by Talez at 6:12 PM on July 28, 2016


Time to get out the tissues.
posted by Altomentis at 6:12 PM on July 28, 2016


I missed all of the previous speakers and basically just got here, and dammit I will be watching this whole thing while following along on the thread tomorrow, won't I?
posted by kalimac at 6:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


What did Rev. Barber say after "Hallelujah!"?

It looks like it was "Thine the glory".
posted by jammer at 6:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


That 1988 Jackson speech was fantastic. I recorded it on VCR and watched it several times.
posted by OmieWise at 6:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm stuck backstage too.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:13 PM on July 28, 2016


KRISTEN SCHALL!!!!!
posted by EatTheWeek at 6:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Khizr Khan's parents are giving a heart breaking speech.

I was waiting for the Muslim speakers and this is perfect.
posted by Tarumba at 6:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Yeah, I missed Kareem on the DNC live stream. Youtube seems to be on track though.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 6:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Actually both parents of Captain Khan are there. They both look so moved and sad.
posted by winna at 6:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Can someone link to the actual convention????
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I see some of you don't know Reverend Barber. Get to know Reverend Barber.
posted by zennie at 6:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Wait who are you guys seeing, I am only seeing a youtube video
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:14 PM on July 28, 2016


I'm already gone, guys. That video. What good people.
posted by mochapickle at 6:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


What's up with the YouTube stream? I'm not seeing what you guys are seeing.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


How much longer until Hillary speaks?

About an hour per C-SPAN.
posted by zachlipton at 6:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Youtube feed
posted by entropicamericana at 6:15 PM on July 28, 2016


Something in my eye now...
posted by Splunge at 6:15 PM on July 28, 2016


Okay, got it.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:15 PM on July 28, 2016


This feed is working for me
posted by biogeo at 6:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


PBS News Hour live stream.
posted by Talez at 6:15 PM on July 28, 2016


omg kristen schall of course you got a sick burn on me through my laptop and i loved every moment
posted by telegraph at 6:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


CSPAN Feed
posted by mynameisluka at 6:15 PM on July 28, 2016


We are watching the YouTube stream and seeing the current feed.
posted by Altomentis at 6:16 PM on July 28, 2016


Youtube and Twitch just got a backstage video instead of the stage feed, I think. Watching Cspan now.
posted by JauntyFedora at 6:16 PM on July 28, 2016


The DNC Youtube stream panned through the audience and definitely caught some white dudes in suits wiping away tears as Mr. Khan started speaking.
posted by soundguy99 at 6:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Heh. Kareem's dig @ Trump got a "bah-dum-dum" sting from the drummer. Nice.

Oh, I missed that, SG. Beautiful. Professional courtesy.
 
posted by Herodios at 6:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Thanks biogeo - the demconvention feed was only giving backstage stuff.
posted by EatTheWeek at 6:16 PM on July 28, 2016


Thanks for the info on Rev. Barber's closing words. I have a friend in NC who is heavy into Moral Mondays and she loves him.
posted by carmicha at 6:16 PM on July 28, 2016


Have you ever read the US constitution? Boom!
posted by Splunge at 6:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [26 favorites]


This is in the top 5 most important moments of this convention. Soldiers who give their lives for us can be Muslims. Candidates for President can put a proud and grieving American mother in a hijab on the convention stage in primetime before their acceptance speech, because this is America.

Fuck you Donald.
posted by sallybrown at 6:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [78 favorites]


ohhhhh shiiiiiiiiit son
posted by entropicamericana at 6:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Nice burn, Mr. Khan.
posted by ZeusHumms at 6:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I love Mr. Khan.
posted by mochapickle at 6:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I love the way this guy points.
posted by AFABulous at 6:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


OH FUCKIN SNAP LET ME LEND YOU THIS COPY OF THE CONSTITUTION DONALD IT IS RIGHT HERE IN MY POCKET
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [73 favorites]


HOLY SHIT.
posted by mynameisluka at 6:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Pocket Constitution FTW
posted by zombieflanders at 6:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


PULLING THE CONSTITUTION OUT OF HIS POCKET i am dead
posted by misskaz at 6:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


I love this guy.
posted by Splunge at 6:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


In a much quieter way just as powerful as Barber's speech.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 6:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh snap, pocket Constitution.
posted by peeedro at 6:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holy shit. Mr. Khan is amazing.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 6:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh man, the pocket Constitution, another thing conservatives will be convinced was stolen from them.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 6:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


If you're missing this, please go to a feed that lets you rewind because it is amazing.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 6:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'm getting chills listening to Khizr Kahn.
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 6:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Mr. Khan suggested that Trump should read the constitution, for those wondering the nature of the sick burn!
posted by winna at 6:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


He seemed nervous to begin with but he's starting to channel that pastor
posted by AFABulous at 6:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Rev. Barber's speech blew my mind. I take back my low energy comment from earlier tonight.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 6:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am about to lose my ever-loving shit here. What an incredible man.
posted by mynameisluka at 6:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


I don't see how Mr. Khan is keeping it together doing this. I certainly couldn't.
posted by mollweide at 6:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


"You have sacrificed nothing."
posted by Room 641-A at 6:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [21 favorites]


"You have sacrificed nothing!! And no-one!!"
posted by soundguy99 at 6:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [53 favorites]


Boom!
posted by Splunge at 6:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Donald Trump, you have sacrificed nothing and no one!"
posted by maggiemaggie at 6:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


I've got my copy right here.

Man, the amateurs are killing. KILLING.
 
posted by Herodios at 6:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I have to say that the Clinton fundraising campaign emails are coming in right at the sweet spot of these amazing speeches and wine consumption.
posted by JennyJupiter at 6:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


phearlez: "Jeb ruined his chances at the presidency when he burned through a massive amount of money in the primary for (and forgive me for stealing a 30 year old Dennis Miller gag here) the same number of delegates that I landed and I didn't even run."

PEDANTRY: Jeb! won three delegates.
posted by Chrysostom at 6:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Tears.

Thank you, Mr. Khan. Wow.
posted by zarq at 6:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Khizr Khan: "Donald Trump, you're asking Americans to trust you with their future. Have you even read the United States Constitution?" *pause* "I will gladly lend you my copy..."

"...have you ever been to Arlington cemetery?"

"You will see all faiths, genders and ethnicities...and you sacrificed nothing."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [42 favorites]


As a nerdy kid who carried around a copy of the U.S. Constitution around in his pocket while taking Government in high school, I love this guy.
posted by biogeo at 6:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Crying now.
posted by Splunge at 6:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm a bit glad that this is the last day of the convention, because I've been wiping away way more tears than is normal for me this week, and I'm guessing it's not great for my skin.

Whoever is orchestrating the DNC is really good at hitting the heatstrings. And good on them.
posted by figurant at 6:19 PM on July 28, 2016


You have sacrificed nothing!
posted by filthy light thief at 6:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ted Lieu, Congressman from California.
posted by winna at 6:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Y'all. Y'ALL.

That speech Reverend Barber just gave? That incredible speech. I just heard that my college roommate helped write that speech. Her voice--the voice of a 33-year-old civil rights attorney, daughter and step-daughter of civil rights attorneys, daughter of a queer woman, step-daughter of a scientist, disabled woman, child who grew up poor in North Carolina and Virginia--was in that speech too. There is so much of America in that speech. So much of beautiful, complicated, strong America.

(No, I haven't stopped crying yet.)
posted by hippugeek at 6:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [128 favorites]


Bail on class in like 45 minutes?

Ditch now, pick up extra kleenex on the way home.
posted by soundguy99 at 6:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Ted Lieu: "Good evening. I wasn't born in America. But every day I serve this nation."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's hard to scroll and cry.
posted by cairnoflore at 6:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


and cut to... David Brooks
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


So incredibly powerful, what dignity that couple had, what a powerful rebuke. My God.
posted by madamjujujive at 6:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [27 favorites]


"Every able commander I've ever met knows you can't do it alone, you can't be brash, and you can't make stuff up. Because if you do, people will die."
posted by winna at 6:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


y'all make me feel like a cynical, dead-inside, repressed monster because although i have been moved, i haven't been close to misty-eyed this whole convention, much less cried
posted by entropicamericana at 6:21 PM on July 28, 2016


oh man my feed cut out at a key moment there. but what an incredible speech. i can't even.

also holy shit, this guy. 'when you ignore the facts, people die.'
posted by dismas at 6:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Thanks for the info on Rev. Barber's closing words.

Glad to help, although I inadvertently shared the wrong URL. At first I thought it was "find the glory", but it looks like he was quoting from THIS hymn. I thought the other was less ugly link, and didn't realize it was a different hymn. D'oh!
posted by jammer at 6:21 PM on July 28, 2016


OK, I had to step out to go pick up my car with its new radiator, so I missed my governor, but I got here for Khan. And I have guacamole! Let's do this.
posted by rewil at 6:21 PM on July 28, 2016


But wait! Donald knows more about ISIS than ANYONE!
posted by Splunge at 6:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


General John Allen retired Marine, former commander of the International Security Assistance Forces and commander in Afghanistan and a whole bunch of other people!
posted by winna at 6:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Still not a fan of U-S-A chants, but I know this isn't for me.
posted by zombieflanders at 6:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


YouTube is current now. Keeping several tabs open is helpful. I'll catch everything after Rev. Barber tomorrow.
Very grateful for the link!
posted by TrishaU at 6:22 PM on July 28, 2016


General Allen has a posse.
posted by soundguy99 at 6:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hot damn, Mr. Khan just totally knocked me out. Most powerful moment of the convention for me.
posted by dry white toast at 6:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Never say that a Marine is a former Marine, by the way. It makes them irritable.
posted by winna at 6:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Yeah the USA shit bothers me too.
posted by Splunge at 6:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


He almost started crying at the "USA" chant.
posted by biogeo at 6:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Guys, I'm not going to lie, I started the GIN-GHAZI!!! consumption early, and it is a good punch.
posted by palindromic at 6:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Still not a fan of U-S-A chants

After that pocket constitution moment I am willing to grant a ten-minute dispensation on the chanting of USA-USA-USA.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [25 favorites]


Wow. The Kahn's were amazing.

i haven't been close to misty-eyed this whole convention, much less cried


I'm like Bill, at the drop of a hat. But weirdly not at the things everyone else here does.
posted by bongo_x at 6:24 PM on July 28, 2016


I don't think this guy is using amplification actually.
posted by strange chain at 6:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


SHUT UP!
posted by Splunge at 6:24 PM on July 28, 2016


Stop it.
posted by waitingtoderail at 6:24 PM on July 28, 2016


Ted Lieu is my guy! He's got to fill the shoes of Henry "The Mustache of Justice" Waxman but he's got 40 years to do it.
posted by Room 641-A at 6:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hippugeek, that is AMAZING. Tell your friend a stranger in Arizona thinks she's the bee's knees.
posted by Superplin at 6:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Jaw-droppingly powerful," says Andrew Sullivan.
posted by argybarg at 6:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


At first I thought the drumming was a bit cheesy, but then _so_ many of them came out on stage. A real tour de force.
posted by adamt at 6:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


PBS comment after Mr. Khan spoke: if you were asked which convention was more patriotic, it would be DNC. If you were asked which convention were more diverse, it would be DNC. The Democrats have taken ground that the Republicans have abandoned.
posted by filthy light thief at 6:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [24 favorites]


"Our precious Muslims"
posted by mynameisluka at 6:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


They are chanting USA to cover up other chants, I think.
posted by sallybrown at 6:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oh it's to drown out no-more-war, I see
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Precious Muslims!" "Gender orientation!"
posted by stet at 6:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


The USA chants bug me but I'll never tire of a military dude stumbling over the words "sexual orientation" but still meaning it.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 6:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [31 favorites]


WHAT!!! "Every gender! And every gender orientation!"

(uhhhhh.....HOLY CRAP that was pretty awesome)
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [29 favorites]


I wonder if the USA chanting is partly to drown out some of the Buster chanting like Leon Panetta got yesterday?
posted by Blue Jello Elf at 6:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Several speakers have said "all genders" or "every gender" instead of "men and women," which is different and meaningful.
posted by AFABulous at 6:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [42 favorites]


It's odd to me that the Dems are better at chanting USA than the Republicans were. I thought the Republicans would at least kick our ass at that. But nope.
posted by Bella Donna at 6:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


(And huge stakes for all! Even the vegetarians! Huge veggie stakes!)
posted by filthy light thief at 6:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Are they U-S-A people trying to drown out another chant? That's the only thing I can think. I wish they'd come up with a different chant if that's what they're doing. I associate that one with obnoxious sports fans.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeah the USA shit bothers me too.

Yeah, its creepily jingoistic. Sounds like they're doing it to drown out "No more war" chants.

OTOH, I guess this segment is red meat for swing voters. Necessary evil, I guess?
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh!! YouTube has closed caption! Yes!
posted by TrishaU at 6:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


COME TOGETHER, MAGGOTS!
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [22 favorites]


I love the accidental support for non-binary people :-) I'll take it!
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I want Kahn back.
posted by Splunge at 6:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


A amazingly stark contrast with the Trump rally going on right now:
Trump says "waterboarding" - and the crowd here in Iowa starts cheering loudly. Man yells, "Waterboarding! Yeah!"
posted by zombieflanders at 6:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


I am a little concerned the General's gonna make the delegates drop and give him 20.
posted by soundguy99 at 6:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [39 favorites]


If you were asked which convention were more diverse, it would be DNC. The Democrats have taken ground that the Republicans have abandoned

when in the last hundred years have the Republicans been more diverse

tell me the date PBS

tell me the date
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


Oh, chanting USA is a clever way of dealing with protesters. I like it. Good job, majority of delegates!
posted by Bella Donna at 6:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Here's a GIF of Khizr Khan pulling the Constitution out of his pocket and totally owning Donald Trump.

If I was American I would get a fucking tattoo of this picture.
posted by dry white toast at 6:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


Okay, my fire tv stick just conked out so we're flying into the heart of darkness while it reloads!
posted by winna at 6:26 PM on July 28, 2016


Good. ISIS mentioned. Now what Trump?
posted by Splunge at 6:26 PM on July 28, 2016


This is creeping me the f out.
posted by waitingtoderail at 6:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


The General is doing pretty well at ignoring the chants, but the woman over his left shoulder is getting pretty pissed...
posted by FlyingMonkey at 6:27 PM on July 28, 2016


I guess I get it, but I wish it were possible to do this kind of thing without all the American exceptionalism. I mean, it's possible to be patriotic but recognize that we're not necessarily the greatest nation on the face of the earth. We do some things very well and some things incredibly poorly. "Greatest nation on earth" doesn't give us much room to improve, but we've got plenty.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


The USA Chants are to drown out the No More War folks!
posted by ramix at 6:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Getting real sick of Busters heckling every armed services rep that takes the stage.
posted by EatTheWeek at 6:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


The chanters were chanting "no more war" about a general trying to talk about peace and diplomacy, so...
posted by carrienation at 6:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [40 favorites]


This man doesn't look like someone that big gruff voice should be coming out of, and that big gruff voice doesn't sound like one you expect to hear championing all genders. My brain-eye-ear coordination is falling all over itself here.
posted by phunniemee at 6:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


I'm ok with chanting "No More War"
posted by maggiemaggie at 6:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


In addition to drowning out the no more war people, they also seem to be breaking out into USA chants when he talks about all of us, and lists off minorities. I think that's an appropriate time for a USA chant if ever there was one.
posted by Weeping_angel at 6:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


You can tell that General Allen was a professional shouter.
posted by filthy light thief at 6:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


so the one time I was in a crowd chanting U-S-A, as far as I can remember, was during the world cup that time the US men's team almost did well for a second. And now this was not the standard context where you get a bunch of U-S-A chants — it was at a bar in Seattle's gayborhood and probably most everyone else felt as uncomfortable chanting it as I did, but nonetheless it was an exhilarating thing to chant. I felt like I had been for a second plugged into some massive dark power, bigger than me, flowing through me, taking me up and carrying me in it.

it's a hell of a chant.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 6:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


Re: defeating ISIS

I guess I am much more ideologically vulnerable than I thought because I have this urge to buy a support the troops sticker now.
posted by Tarumba at 6:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I am a little concerned the General's gonna make the delegates drop and give him 20.

Just the Bernie Busters.
posted by Bella Donna at 6:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


i know this speech is meant to appeal to the undecided fascists out there, but it still skeeves me out,
posted by entropicamericana at 6:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


It might have helped to find someone a bit less shouty.
posted by argybarg at 6:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I mean I'm totally sure he can take it.
posted by maggiemaggie at 6:28 PM on July 28, 2016


This guy could hold his own against R. Lee Ermey in a military-off.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 6:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Bella Donna: "I am a little concerned the General's gonna make the delegates drop and give him 20.

Just the Bernie Busters.
"

As if they could.
posted by Splunge at 6:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


The last hour has been awesome! That reverend made this atheist Jew scream Amen. Mr. Khan was so powerful. "You have sacrificed nothing, and no one!" That is the truth!
posted by Sophie1 at 6:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


"USA!"

"No more war!"

"You can't fight in here. This is the war room!"
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


i know this speech is meant to appeal to the undecided fascists out there, but it still skeeves me out,

lol what
posted by thefoxgod at 6:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


This is a bad choice. Not the speech just the screaming bro.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


ugh cspan's feed won't open for me and youtube keeps crapping out. y'all gonna have to help me.
posted by dismas at 6:29 PM on July 28, 2016


Getting a Strangelove feel here.
posted by Splunge at 6:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


The general had to move the mic out of the way because the PA was making his voice less powerful.
posted by bongo_x at 6:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [24 favorites]


I like the USA chants. I live here, I love this place. My people, these people, deserve to chant their love. This isn't some sports event, it's a celebration of America and American politics. The chant is appropriate.
posted by OmieWise at 6:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Yeah, I hate these generals calling for world peace. (????)
posted by biogeo at 6:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [46 favorites]


I wish the big crowd on stage could express that they don't trust Trump to lead them, without making proclamations about foreign policy.
posted by acidic at 6:29 PM on July 28, 2016


No more nukes! Just revitalized nukes! Smaller and smarter, and really, really expensive!
posted by filthy light thief at 6:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Holy shit.

I think he just showed trump how you do it?
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wow. Sucked. Very much. Fuck him.
posted by Splunge at 6:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


When the former commander of all the forces in Afghanistan says that the military will no longer carry out torture, that's pretty fucking huge.
posted by hollygoheavy at 6:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [50 favorites]


This speech had to be given. It's just one of scores. But conservatives need to hear this. This guy is destroying Donald Trump's wimpy "Only I can keep you safe" diatribe.
posted by vverse23 at 6:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [24 favorites]


The "to our enemies" line was a bit too far
posted by mrzarquon at 6:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Someone should mash up the General's "no torture" with Trump's "waterboarding".
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


i know this speech is meant to appeal to the undecided fascists out there, but it still skeeves me out,

There's a literal fascist movement which is currently at the wheel of the GOP so let's maybe be super-careful about using that word correctly.
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [31 favorites]


And our bodily fluids.
posted by Splunge at 6:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


SIR, YES SIR
posted by dry white toast at 6:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I teach a lot of servicemembers. They are far more nuanced and diverse in their perspectives than I would have thought before I started. I'm ashamed of my previous stereotyping.
posted by mollweide at 6:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [53 favorites]


Hey guys. This shouting speech by the General isn't intended for you.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 6:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Ugh you all, there has to be some kind of middle ground between believing that military adventurism is terrible but also that military personnel are not personally responsible for the existence of war.
posted by winna at 6:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [36 favorites]


MY FELLOW AMERICANS

*thump* *thump* *thump*

HILLARY CLINTON ALONE MOVES THE WHEELS OF HISTORY!
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 6:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Did I hear people chanting "Peace on Earth?"
posted by maggiemaggie at 6:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


uhhh this is a bit much

USA chant permission is rescinded

let us now return to our regularly scheduled celebration of love and mutual respect
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Well, the end of Obama's speech was hella jingoistic as well. Ask me how I feel about American exceptionalism. No, really, don't. It's like the cod liver oil my mom gave me occasionally as a child. I figure it comes with the territory. Don't like it but it's part of the package. Alas.
posted by Bella Donna at 6:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Move on up!
posted by downtohisturtles at 6:31 PM on July 28, 2016


He sure denied Trump his essence.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


omg Bill saying "That's my girl!" in the backstage promo is the sweetest thing ever <3
posted by stolyarova at 6:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I grew up in a Navy family and as a child I vowed to be the "very first girl" at the Naval Academy. My life (and beliefs) went in a very different direction but I am so awed that, in just my lifetime, we have gone from no women allowed to attend the military academies to a retired general enthusiastically endorsing a woman as the commander in chief. Change, it does happen.
posted by mcduff at 6:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [33 favorites]


I don't know, I think a very strategic cooperative bodily dismemberment of ISIL is richly deserved. The usual caveats and concerns apply, of course.
posted by argybarg at 6:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


This was definitely a...mixed call for world peace, let's say. Sadly, it's also probably the most realistic portrayal of American foreign policy we'll get from either convention. World peace and diplomacy for some, explosions for others!
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 6:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


"We must be...increasingly on the alert to prevent them from taking over other mineshaft space, in order to breed more prodigiously than we do, thus, knocking us out in superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow...a mine shaft gap!"

/Strangelove
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


maggiemaggie, that's what it sounds like to me as well
posted by FlyingMonkey at 6:31 PM on July 28, 2016


There's a literal fascist movement which is currently at the wheel of the GOP so let's maybe be super-careful about using that word correctly.

Yeah I listened to the whole speech and I can't understand what was "fascist" about it unless you're using it in the "I didn't like it" sense some people do.

This is a good year to use the word when it actually means something. Trump is promoting fascism.
posted by thefoxgod at 6:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]




Yeah, okay. I'm good with like half of that. I'm surprised it was approved as is. I do get that it might bring some people over who want some of that.
posted by bizzyb at 6:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did the RNC have a Medal of Honor recipient on stage?
posted by zakur at 6:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is what is fucking pissing me off about the Busters. It doesn't actually matter what the people are saying, only who they are. They are a perfect example of pseudo-engagement, refusing to go any deeper than the shallowest understanding of what the process is and what these people are communicating.
posted by biogeo at 6:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [63 favorites]


Do we have to boo and shout "no more war" at veterans?
posted by all about eevee at 6:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


man that general was definitely veering off into #lolamericans territory for the rest of the world...
posted by modernnomad at 6:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Florent Groberg, retired US Army Captain and Medal of Honor Winner.
posted by winna at 6:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is when chanting is a total dick move.
posted by argybarg at 6:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


All these Bernie Bros chanting no more war should volunteer at a refugee resettlement agency and maybe they'll realize that all of those refugees would be dead were it not for military intervention.

In some cases neutrality is tantamount to complicity. The US military can fuck up, but no more war is such an oversimplification and would leave so many people vulnerable.
posted by Tarumba at 6:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [83 favorites]


My problem wasn't the speech it was inevitable buster chanting and chaos. Optics of that play badly on tv. Eh. It's over now. This vet is killing it.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did the RNC have a Medal of honor recipient on stage?

They got Scott Baio which is almost the same thing.
posted by Justinian at 6:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [26 favorites]


The dumbest fucking idiot I've encountered so far:
We appointed George Washington because he was known and dumb enough to control. Imho Trump is the way to go. His opinions don't matter if Congress doesn't write insane laws.

If presidents were involved in military decisions I would agree

The title doesn't mean anything when you listen to your cabinet and nod
Someone slept through civics.
posted by Talez at 6:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


The busters are going to make my message totally irrelevant. I'm a social democrat. I want about 90 percent of what the busters want, I'm just not going to be an asshole about it in the wrong room.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [40 favorites]


Hey guys. This shouting speech by the General isn't intended for you.

Josh Barro on Twitter: The DNC is co-opting Republican tropes while maintaining Democratic ones because there is now only one political party for grown-ups.


DNC is a big tent event, in the best way possible. It's not the perfect party for all time, but it's the right party for this time.
posted by filthy light thief at 6:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


"The invisible wounds that lead to suicide."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Assholes. Is that Code Pink?
posted by persona au gratin at 6:34 PM on July 28, 2016


Chloe Grace Moretz just gave me whiplash.
posted by penduluum at 6:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Since I live very close to Fort Lewis/McChord AFB, many of my neighbors wear uniforms. I disagree with war, but I admire the men and women who serve.
posted by Altomentis at 6:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Chloe Grace Moretz, an actress whom I do not know but she does not appear old enough to drive. She is adorbs.
posted by winna at 6:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is not a millenial. This is some kinda Pokemon generation after Millenials.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [29 favorites]


by the way, for those having feed trouble, try this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omOJvwlcvRc
PBS NewsHour via YT. Live with lookback.
posted by FlyingMonkey at 6:35 PM on July 28, 2016


Tarumba: In some cases neutrality is tantamount to complicity.

I'm out of favorites, can someone spot me?
posted by biogeo at 6:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Someone slept through civics.

And also hasn't read literally anything by people who've actually dealt with Trump. He's got an infamously short attention span and is absolutely not the sort of person to just let experts speak and take their advice.
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I need a good "Hit-Girl" joke on my desk, stat.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 6:35 PM on July 28, 2016


This is not a millenial. This is some kinda Pokemon generation after Millenials.

I'm 33. Pokemon is my god damned generation and I've got the Game Boy and carts to prove it.
posted by Talez at 6:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [35 favorites]


So, I was listening while driving home and had some time to think about what Reverend Barbour said. I wish he would have said "atheists, humanists, those who don't practice organized religion," instead of "those without faith." But he didn't. And I'm okay with that, because for the first time, people who don't practice religion were given a place at the table.

I AM SEEN.
posted by cooker girl at 6:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [34 favorites]


Pokegen
posted by longdaysjourney at 6:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Pokepeople
posted by longdaysjourney at 6:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


In some cases neutrality is tantamount to complicity.

This works for international diplomacy AND elections. But don't try to convince the -or-Busters.
posted by tclark at 6:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


I don't know. There are so many Americans who are told they aren't REALLY American, for so many bigoted reasons, and many of those people are in that convention hall. Republicans shouldn't be allowed to have a stranglehold on patriotism or being a "real" American.
posted by girlmightlive at 6:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Chloe Grace Moretz an actress whom I do not know but she does not appear old enough to drive. She is adorbs.

Hit Girl!
posted by ActingTheGoat at 6:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


some kinda Pokemon generation after Millenials

Generation Jigglypuff?
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


I'm ready for the DNC to eject the bernholes. Just do it already, the fallout will be irrelevant and soon forgotten.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 6:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


oh my GOD I love this slightly gravely voice
posted by sallybrown at 6:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


SHERROD BROWN MY DUUUUUUUUUDE!!!!!
posted by soundguy99 at 6:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I hate to quote 'Little Marco' but 'Let us dispell once and for all' this myth that the military respect only Republicans.
posted by sfts2 at 6:37 PM on July 28, 2016


For you 30 rock fans, she was Jack Donaghy's nemesis.
posted by cmfletcher at 6:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Senator Sherrod Brown from OHIO!

We were supposed to get Xavier Becerra after Ms. Moretz - wonder what happened?
posted by winna at 6:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


My Senator!!
posted by cooker girl at 6:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


My nephew is on a Marine Corps scholarship to a military college right now. It has been his lifelong dream to serve. I can't say that there was no familial side-eyeing along the way, but he is seriously the most amazing, compassionate, awesome kid. He's Korean-American, and a staunch Democrat from a family of staunch Democrats. As a party, we do contain multitudes.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [61 favorites]


My problem wasn't the speech it was inevitable buster chanting and chaos.

One narcisstic personality disorder deserves another, I suppose, right up to and including taking their toys home in a huff because it has gone unrecognized that they are the center of their pocket moral universes. Trump or Buster, what's the difference ?
posted by y2karl at 6:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"what's an Ash Ketchum?" --that actress, a Pokewomon
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:38 PM on July 28, 2016


I went away and came back - has the live feed been shunted to videos and play-by-play by comedians rather than the actual speeches?
posted by LobsterMitten at 6:38 PM on July 28, 2016


"Donald Trump believes wages are too high. And he wants to be president?"
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


UNION SUIT MOTHERFUCKERS.

listen to the man in the union suit.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 6:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Fun fact; Mansfield, Ohio (Sherrod Brown's home town) is where The Shawshank Redemption was filmed. Sadly the tree blew over in a recent windstorm. Although located on private property, it had become a tourism attraction along with other iconic locations from the movie. /TIL
posted by carmicha at 6:39 PM on July 28, 2016


Not looking forward to Clinton's speech being made over competing chants between Busters and everyone else. I would like to actually hear her speech. Ugh.
posted by thefoxgod at 6:39 PM on July 28, 2016


I'm ready for the DNC to eject the bernholes. Just do it already, the fallout will be irrelevant and soon forgotten.

I'm pissed at them too, but I think they need to be allowed to stay and do their obnoxious thing. Democracy is messy and ugly sometimes, and this is part of it. Tolerating their shit reflects well on the DNC.
posted by biogeo at 6:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


What brand of suit is he wearing and how do I buy it??
posted by delight at 6:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Nope right now Sherrod Brown is talking.
posted by winna at 6:39 PM on July 28, 2016


Shout out to Archbold, OH!!!! <3
posted by hollygoheavy at 6:39 PM on July 28, 2016


In some cases neutrality is tantamount to complicity.

Abstaining from voting is as much an action as voting. Staying silent is as much a statement as speaking up.
posted by filthy light thief at 6:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"The only thing I've seen Donald Trump do about US trade policy is run his mouth and line his pockets."
posted by winna at 6:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


yeah where can I get a union suit, for reals?
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 6:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I love this intense pride in home state manufacturing centers.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 6:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]




Thats a very different Union Suit that I know.
posted by mrzarquon at 6:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


was "millionaires like him" an on-purpose burn?
posted by EatTheWeek at 6:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Sherrod Brown: "Donald Trump supports trillions of tax cuts for millionaires like himself."

Low-key net worth burn!
posted by arcolz at 6:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


uuugh. the feed i was watching cut to some weird backstage stuff. im on the youtube feed now and it seems to be working, but from the thread it looks like i missed some good speakers.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 6:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


The twitch feed is showing infomercials, but MSNBC is Sherrod
posted by Roommate at 6:41 PM on July 28, 2016


For you 30 rock fans, she was Jack Donaghy's nemesis.

I also discovered she was the knife-throwing girl in an episode of My Name is Earl.
posted by dirigibleman at 6:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]



Abstaining from voting is as much an action as voting. Staying silent is as much a statement as speaking up


Absolutely. And this year, abstaining gives the message: "I may not be _for_ fascism, but I'm OK with it."
posted by thefoxgod at 6:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [26 favorites]


Another "millionaire" reference. There's something satisfactory in knowing it irritates the hell out of Trump every time.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 6:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Ok, where can I buy a Trumpbusters t-shirt?
posted by Gaz Errant at 6:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Talez: This is not a millenial. This is some kinda Pokemon generation after Millenials.

The first person I saw "in the wild" playing Pokemon Go was in his late 40s to early 50s. The original games came out in 1996. There is no Pokemon Generation, Pokemon is bigger than that.
posted by filthy light thief at 6:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


"We reject that term Rust Belt!"

topical since we just had that thread about not using 'flyover country'.
posted by winna at 6:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


“Our international relations will not be reduced to a business transaction … our armed forces will not become an instrument of torture" is a pretty good sentiment. the rest of it i have mixed feelings about! but frankly i have mixed feelings about most things related to national defense!

the problem is that we live in a country where the electoral structure has a two-party equilibrium, and one party is embracing a message of racist garbage. and to make that clear, the democrats are trying to build an electoral coalition that ranges from people who would normally describe themselves moderate republicans to bernie sanders.

and so there's going to be this weird dissonance for everyone, i think. to draw an analogy to something i do know a little about, i don't agree with the bernie wing on trade or monetary policy. but i know that i don't get to make decisions by fiat. the party i belong to is not mine, it's ours. but i understand why some of general allen's message is a hard pill to swallow, and why people need to stand up and make their voice heard the way they feel like they can.
posted by dismas at 6:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


omg that lady's Ohio glasses. Yes.
posted by phunniemee at 6:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is one of the best anti-Trump arguments the DNC has put forward. I'm entranced.
posted by figurant at 6:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Roomie From Brussels came home during Rev. barbour's speedh and has been looking in now and then, and we had an amusing exchange during the general's portion -

GENERAL - the rest of the world looks to us to preserve peace and freedom!

RFB - .....well.....

ME - yeah, I agree, but he's a four-star general, it's how he rolls.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


Cspan has been rock solid.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 6:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Pokemon is big tent, like the Democratic Party.
posted by Stynxno at 6:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Frankly, I'm furious that I'm dreading listening to Clinton's historic speech because of the chanting. Some of us have waited a long time for this (both metaphorically and literally). Don't they care what she has to say? Can't they boo and protest after they, you know, hear the speech?
posted by carrienation at 6:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


(oops, wrong thread)

No it's okay here too, in a weird example of convergence
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:43 PM on July 28, 2016


Sherrod Brown is the real deal.
posted by persona au gratin at 6:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I found it oddly charming for the four-star general to shout about the importance of WORLD PEACE while promising to punish our enemies. He was…trying? I guess? "Liberals like peace. I'll promise peace OR ELSE, they'll love that"
posted by a fiendish thingy at 6:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [30 favorites]


Do you think it's unintentional they call him a millionaire? Like maybe they know the billionaire line is bullshit to the point that it's not even worth making hay over?
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


During some of the lulls I'm going through the WaPo annotated transcript of Trump's insane speech from yesterday.

The guy is not merely insane he is a bombastic asshole. You know who really needs a fart-in aimed at him? Yeah Trump. I don't know how the press can stand to be in the same room with him for more than a few minutes but I would I would love them forever if they would shut the doors and all of them let fly with the trouser music. What a wonderful moment of mortification that would live on in history. Can you imagine, "Gather round kids and let me tell you about the time a bunch of reporters chased a nasty fascist off the campaign trail by farting at him."
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh man, I want Tim Kaine and Sherrod Brown to do a road trip.

In a station wagon.
posted by mrzarquon at 6:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


Oh, Rep. Becerra. I was really hoping for him in the veepstakes.
posted by donatella at 6:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Do you think it's unintentional they call him a millionaire? Like maybe they know the billionaire line is bullshit to the point that it's not even worth making hay over?

It's a good way to tweak him.
posted by ZeusHumms at 6:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


My pick for VP! Buckle up y'all. Berreca is dope.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"We reject the term Rust Belt!" -- (MeFi's own?) Sen. Sherrod Brown
posted by Room 641-A at 6:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is really shrewd politics by the Democrats. They recognize the opportunity being created by Trump dragging the GOP so far to the right, leaving a lot of sane Republican supporters to be wooed.
posted by dry white toast at 6:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


I type with my hands!
posted by Tarumba at 6:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Who was looking for Becerra? He's on now.

Nice shout out to the cleaning staff, caterers & other convention staff to start with...
posted by FlyingMonkey at 6:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


Representative Xavier Becerra from California, House Democratic Caucus Chairman!

He opened by suggesting we thank all the service workers who are helping to make the convention a success, which is a lovely thing to do.
posted by winna at 6:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [39 favorites]


"Liberals like peace. I'll promise peace OR ELSE, they'll love that"

And what's the best way to get peace?
posted by phunniemee at 6:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"makes a living with your hands" had the lowest amount of cheers

Sadly those folks can't afford to go to the DNC.
posted by mrzarquon at 6:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Another "millionaire" reference. There's something satisfactory in knowing it irritates the hell out of Trump every time.

Poking him relentlessly like this over the next few months is probably a good strategy - I'd imagine it is THE strategy.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


delight: "What brand of suit is he wearing and how do I buy it??"

Based on my brief googling, my guess is that it's a Hart Schaffner Marx suit. They're part of W Diamond Group which bought a union plant in Brooklyn, OH and Hart Schaffner Marx is their main suit brand. Also, it's what Obama wears.
posted by mhum at 6:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


No, I think it is very deliberate. As is the consistent messaging that Trump does more to destroy American businesses then to build them up.

(Still irate that Trump came to Pittsburgh and talked about re-opening the steel mills. Thanks dude, I think the city has managed to reconstruct itself just fine without any help from you).
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 6:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


> "makes a living with your hands" had the lowest about of cheers

Sadly those folks can't afford to go to the DNC.
posted by mrzarquon at 6:45 PM on July 28 [+] [!]


yeah I was like "oof, working class fail there guys."
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 6:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


The dignity of manual labor is important! If we were all sitting around doin spreadsheets then things would get horrible and gross really quickly.
posted by winna at 6:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


donatella: Oh, Rep. Becerra. I was really hoping for him in the veepstakes.

Me, too! I still hold out hope: he's pretty green right now, which I gather is the main reason he wasn't in the short list. Definitely someone to watch, though.
posted by Superplin at 6:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


omg the dems are going to neg trump all the way to the white house
posted by murphy slaw at 6:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Now shit's just getting stupid.
posted by Talez at 6:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


California represent!
posted by persona au gratin at 6:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Do you think it's unintentional they call him a millionaire? Like maybe they know the billionaire line is bullshit to the point that it's not even worth making hay over?

He can always release his tax records if he doesn't like it.
posted by Artw at 6:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [21 favorites]


> Oh man, I want Tim Kaine and Sherrod Brown to do a road trip.

Wait, and Xavier Becerra also.
posted by mrzarquon at 6:47 PM on July 28, 2016


"Liberals like peace. I'll promise peace OR ELSE, they'll love that"

Si vis pacem, para bellum is the watchword of the day I guess. Hey, if it gets some votes from the middle sure why not. Conventions are a giant advertisement.
posted by Justinian at 6:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm still just not able to move on from the Khan family.
posted by sallybrown at 6:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


CA-34 represent!
posted by JauntyFedora at 6:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


If we had kindergarten for 4-year-olds in the 1980s, my little sister would have been born a year and a half sooner. My parents could only afford daycare for one kid at a time.
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Past couple nights been off/on watching. I'm emotionally exhausted just from what I have caught, like Rev. Barber, the Khans. (Did my ex-gov actually say earlier, "Donald, You're so vain, You probably think this speech is about you"? LOL)

On top of, I'm kind of nervous for Hillary's speech. As good as everything looks on our new TV, I might take a break for a movie. Keep me informed mefi.
posted by NorthernLite at 6:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Our Fight Song

I want a list of everyone in it, because so many faces looked familiar but didn't click to names before someone else was on the screen.

ETA: don't read the comments.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 6:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


(Still irate that Trump came to Pittsburgh and talked about re-opening the steel mills. Thanks dude, I think the city has managed to reconstruct itself just fine without any help from you).

That whole speech was like, "I read three sentences of a wikipedia article about Pittsburgh once a few years ago maybe." He also was like "Hey, Joe Paterno, amirite!" lol awkward, dude.

And yeah, like, look around you dude. We tore those mills down quite some time ago. They're gone. We're doing fine. We like being able to breathe and see the sun at mid-day.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


He can barely twit there's no way Trump wrote a C paper.
posted by Tarumba at 6:49 PM on July 28, 2016


LONG FORM TAX RETURN!
posted by stet at 6:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


I want a list of everyone in it, because so many faces looked familiar but didn't click to names before someone else was on the screen.

That would be the first line of yesterday's post. ;)
posted by Talez at 6:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Talez: Now shit's just getting stupid.

That is juvenile and I'm sure will get a disproportionate amount of press coverage, but I prefer it to chanting over her historic speech.
posted by Superplin at 6:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Make America Grey Again
posted by oneswellfoop at 6:50 PM on July 28, 2016


"Hillary Clinton wants to build schools
Donald Trump wants to build walls"
posted by FlyingMonkey at 6:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]




CBSN commentator just said Trump was better than Clinton on terrorism. Um, Hillary was in the room with the head honchos when Osama bin Laden got shot in the face. Trump's done fuck all.
posted by Cookiebastard at 6:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [21 favorites]


Becerra quips that Truno wouldn't know how much a gallon of milk costs, which reminds me of this bit from 30 Rock:

Jack Donaghy: "Let's just say you're at the market buying potatoes, and that ten pound bag of potatoes costs... four hundred dollars. But then the... grocery concierge tells you that a five pound bag of potatoes costs four hundred dollars, well that would be shocking, right? Because a five pound bag should only cost two hundred dollars."
posted by arcolz at 6:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


"Now shit's just getting stupid."

It's an extinction burst. They are acting up before they fizzle out.
posted by Tarumba at 6:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Remember when so few people ran against Clinton, people were like "the Dems have no shortlist"? I think we're seeing it
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]




I'M GOING TO PERFORM A STUNT GUYS
posted by mynameisluka at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016


I know that the busters are going to fuck up this cue card thing.
posted by mrzarquon at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oh geez, this sounds like too many instructions!
posted by Glinn at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


They're explaining to the audience how they will do their elaborate card stunt with the blacklight business.
posted by winna at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016


So they're going to mess up the card stunt.
posted by rewil at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh God this is too many instructions. LOL
posted by sallybrown at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


ok, nobody pull crap with the card stunt. I hope they have good people on this.
posted by pointystick at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


#cardstunt
posted by dismas at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


A card stunt? One more thing for the Busters to mess with.
posted by arcolz at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016


Everyone please pay close attention to the complicated card stunt rules.
posted by paper chromatographologist at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


We got movie sign ^h^h^h card stunt sign!
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


It's a good thing I'm not there because when someone tells me not to open something, must open it. Card stunt FTW!
posted by cooker girl at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016


omg, I'm excited for this card thing.
posted by longdaysjourney at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]




Pretty sure this card stunt is gonna be the DNC's botched balloon drop.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016


A card stunt? With this crowd? This is a bad idea.
posted by Gary at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh god I can't wait for the card stunt now hoooooooo boy
posted by majuju at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


A multistep card stunt?

THAT SEEMS RISKY
posted by EatTheWeek at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball."
posted by carrienation at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


Some kind of coordinated photo-op? What are the Busters going to do with it...
posted by biogeo at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016


insert tab a into slot b and then consult table c column 82 before you
posted by entropicamericana at 6:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm assuming the networks cut away from these very detailed instructions
posted by showbiz_liz at 6:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


That was weird.
posted by uosuaq at 6:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


The DNC feed has absolutely fascinating cut of audience instructions on "card stunt". This oughta be good.
posted by Skorgu at 6:54 PM on July 28, 2016


I have to say that there's no way I would be able not to open my instructions and read them in advance because I'd be terrified of doing it wrong.
posted by winna at 6:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I have no fucking clue what they're supposed to do.
posted by dirigibleman at 6:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Haha, card stunt directions. "We promise you will not miss the balloon drop."
posted by lovecrafty at 6:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Apparently we are about to enter the Katy Perry segment of the evening!
posted by winna at 6:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


You will not miss the balloon drop.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 6:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


If you design a card trick for an audience, you've got to design it assuming at least 10% will get it wrong.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 6:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


(This is reminding me that I heard a piece on the logistics of floor leaders and signs on NPR this afternoon.)
posted by mynameisluka at 6:54 PM on July 28, 2016


They're instructing the audience on how to perform the "card stunt" and to flash their phones for Katy Perry #Stagecraft
posted by carmicha at 6:54 PM on July 28, 2016


This is the weirdest pre-flight safety instruction ever.
posted by stet at 6:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


HI KATY.

I wish she rode out on a giant golden calf like at the Super Bowl.
posted by Justinian at 6:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Instructions needed more Sigourney Weaver.
posted by ZeusHumms at 6:54 PM on July 28, 2016


I'm way too drunk to do a card stunt. Thank goodness I'm at home.
posted by palindromic at 6:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Please let there be dancing sharks!
posted by peeedro at 6:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Ms. Perry is attired like a disco ball, which is an interesting look.
posted by winna at 6:54 PM on July 28, 2016


Uhhh.... DNC people... I'm not sure a picture of a guy with the white piece of paper with the eyes looking through it with the top of the paper naturally curling back was the best idea...
posted by Talez at 6:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Its a giant photo of Bernie Sanders
posted by mrzarquon at 6:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Yeah, if I'd been there I'd've been in the bag under my seat fucking up the card stunt as soon as the 8,000 steps of instructions began with "DO NOT OPEN THE BAG UNDER YOUR SEAT YET" or something like that.
posted by TwoStride at 6:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


This is my first exposure to Xavier Becerra. Love the Guadalajara shout-out, love all the references in this convention to immigrants from all over the world. Love the cheers every time someone mentions a specific union hall. Love how much Spanish has been spoken. Representation matters.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 6:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Or you can just cancel out your weird cousin's vote."
posted by phunniemee at 6:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Oh jesus if I was on the floor I'd be in such a panic. "Wait WHAT WAS STEP 2 AGAIN?!?!?"
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Katy Perry can do no wrong.
posted by gatorae at 6:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Uhhh.... DNC people... I'm not sure a picture of a guy with the white piece of paper with the eyes looking through it with the top of the paper naturally curling back was the best idea...

Yeah I'm really skeptical of this idea.
posted by joedan at 6:56 PM on July 28, 2016


So the yellow shirt people are going to wave their LIAR signs? That will be the only thing the Salt Lake Tribune mentions about the convention for today. The Guardian will post the ugliest pictures of Hillary they can find and mutate. So what? It is annoying but it is politics.
posted by Oyéah at 6:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


That was a honey trap, no?
posted by mollweide at 6:56 PM on July 28, 2016


Katy wins, Katy wins, Katy wins [weeping].
posted by acidic at 6:56 PM on July 28, 2016


Oh, she's going to sing. I feel like Dean Pelton when he realized Britta was in the play.
posted by Justinian at 6:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


If she dropped into "Shake It Off" right now in the name of unity....
posted by dw at 6:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


We are being offered the chance to borrow one of her outfits, which alack I am twenty years at least too old to pull off successfully.
posted by winna at 6:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Red, white, and blue microphone!
posted by zachlipton at 6:56 PM on July 28, 2016


Katy Perry's mic is fucked up for the opening bars, I think, 'cause she's reaching back to fiddle with her in-ears....
posted by TwoStride at 6:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


that microphone flag thing...
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:57 PM on July 28, 2016


Sound mix on PBS during the song is atrocious
posted by clorox at 6:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


More monitor issues? Katy Perry sounds awful.
posted by zug at 6:57 PM on July 28, 2016


REEEEVERRRRRB
posted by winna at 6:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


They're explaining to the audience how they will do their elaborate card stunt with the blacklight business.

I was hoping the disembodied announcers voice was going to say: "Under your seat, you will find a horse head mask. Please do not put it on until we give the signal. Trust us. You'll know when it's time."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


Now why does Katy Perry get reverb and not Paul Simon.

We got robbed.
posted by Annika Cicada at 6:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ah, the old rigatoni red white and blue necklace.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 6:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Did conventions have these popular entertainers before television? Like would Burl Ives come out and perform for the delegates and everyone would listen at home on their wooden radios?
posted by downtohisturtles at 6:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Oh, man, I missed Sharrod.

I had to make sure Mrs. H got to see Mr. Khan's speech. Clip is s already on YouTube.
 
posted by Herodios at 6:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Left-wing Shark
posted by MCMikeNamara at 6:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [42 favorites]


You guys, she had a FLAG BEDAZZLED MIC!
posted by Weeping_angel at 6:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


The card thing is like those stupid tests in elementary school that start "Read all the directions first" and then the last instruction is "Ignore everything but the first instruction." I always failed that test.
posted by stet at 6:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


More monitor issues? Katy Perry sounds awful.

... Do I have to say it? Do I?
posted by Justinian at 6:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Does anyone know if there's a single, uncut video of Day 3? I missed it :(
posted by Skorgu at 6:58 PM on July 28, 2016


Very few people seem to have followed the flashlight directions.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 6:58 PM on July 28, 2016


You guys, my good friend Hillary totally just texted me
About to head out and accept your nomination for president. I'm so grateful to everyone who made this moment possible. -H
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [33 favorites]


I voted for Sanders in the CT primary. I went and got an ID (mine was expired since 2009) and re-registered to vote just so I could.

These Busters at the DNC (and the clowns on FB/Twitter/etc) make me regret it and I am angry at them. I'm pissed. They've been given days, they've been given so much slack. They have disrespected honorable and amazing people.

I don't care what they have to say. They've lost my respect. They don't deserve my respect. The movement has lost my respect.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 6:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


This is the Olympics song.
posted by zarq at 6:58 PM on July 28, 2016


So do you think the DNC saw the protesters last night with their cell phone flashlights and said "great idea, let's tell everyone to do it for the musical break?"
posted by zachlipton at 6:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Someone should have asked her to perform a different song. Kind of slimy to me that she's using her Disaster Olympics Anthem...
posted by sallybrown at 6:58 PM on July 28, 2016


Sound mix on PBS during the song is atrocious
posted by threeants at 6:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Weird I was just thinking she sounds pretty good (C-SPAN) considering she's fiddling with her in-ear monitor.
posted by misskaz at 6:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


not just a red, white, and blue microphone -- a bedazzled red, white, and blue microphone!
posted by FlyingMonkey at 6:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Great time to plug your new single Katy ffs if you want to help just sing freakinv firework
posted by Potomac Avenue at 6:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Why is Siri giving instructions?

"Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test."
posted by notyou at 6:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [38 favorites]


I don't care what they have to say. They've lost my respect. They don't deserve my respect. The movement has lost my respect.

To paraphrase fun., they are young. I remember going down to Seattle Center to yell at Hubert Humphrey. I have regretted it ever since. As will they.
posted by y2karl at 6:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I dislike Katy Perry, but she's got plenty of songs that would work in this context; this isn't one of them.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 6:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Florent Groberg is pretty awesome. If you liked him, you may also enjoy his speech at the Pritzker Military Library in Chicago last year: https://www.pritzkermilitary.org/whats_on/medal-honor/medal-honor-recipient-florent-groberg-interview/#podcast
posted by wenestvedt at 6:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


So as a Canadian I've never watched a convention before. Is it normal to have musical acts?

It's not uncommon (The Sound of Media Spectacle: Music at the Party Conventions, James Deaville)
posted by filthy light thief at 6:59 PM on July 28, 2016




She is clearly having monitor issues.
posted by zachlipton at 6:59 PM on July 28, 2016


The bumper sticker I'd like to have would read TRUCK FUMP
posted by X4ster at 6:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm super stoked to watch Hillary Clinton's speech live!
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 7:00 PM on July 28, 2016


Email from the campaign:
Tonight, I’m thinking about my mom.

Life wasn’t easy for her. By fourteen, she was working full-time as a housekeeper for just $3 a week, separated from her family and grateful just to be able to go to school. The America she knew was not one where a woman, even one working as hard as she was, could break down all the barriers in her way.

This night -- this victory -- is for her and for every little boy and girl who deserves the opportunity to live up to their God-given potential. We can make sure that every child born in America grows up safe, secure, and sure that they, too, can grow up to be anything they want to be -- even President of the United States.
posted by mochapickle at 7:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Someone call Tim Kaine I'm ready to get picked up from this concert
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [86 favorites]


DAMN IT
posted by showbiz_liz at 7:00 PM on July 28, 2016


I think they're working it out - this song is sounding a little better?
posted by winna at 7:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I bet she transitions into Roar at some point" is a thing I said earlier and you'll just have to take my word for it.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 7:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Okay see, Roar is fine, but obviously Firework forever if we have to be saddled with Katy.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 7:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Do we have to actually go back to worrying about Trump as a viable candidate after this week?
posted by waitingtoderail at 7:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


So as a Canadian I've never watched a convention before. Is it normal to have musical acts?

This entire event is like no convention I have ever seen in my life.
posted by madamjujujive at 7:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


My wife: "She just demanded I sing along, but I don't know the words. What do I do? I'm gonna roar, I guess."
posted by filthy light thief at 7:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Taylor Swift comes out wearing a shirt reading 'Unity' and the internet explodes.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


They are one sound mixer away from this being a show networks pay for.
posted by cmfletcher at 7:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Pretty sure this card stunt is gonna be the DNC's botched balloon drop.

I have no real reason for thinking this, but I kind of suspect the card stunt is a buster-related decoy of some sort.
posted by dersins at 7:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Well . . . I guess the kids dig it.
 
posted by Herodios at 7:01 PM on July 28, 2016


god Katy Perry has such a rad body. (hai gender dysphoria >.>)
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Roar seems appropriate.
posted by zarq at 7:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ben Jacobs ‏@Bencjacobs 55s56 seconds ago
Told volunteers are positioning themselves in aisles to attempt to prevent BernieBros bumrushing the stage to "citizens arrest" Hillary
posted by waitingtoderail at 7:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


She maybe should have worn something she could move better in.
posted by Weeping_angel at 7:01 PM on July 28, 2016


Roar redeemed it a bit.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:01 PM on July 28, 2016


FYI, Katy Perry has 91 million Twitter followers. So, you know. As for why she's on stage right now.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 7:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


You know, I bet the card trick instructions are also printed on the back of the bag.
posted by showbiz_liz at 7:01 PM on July 28, 2016


I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary and I'm glad, because he forced the DNC to move the platform to the left.

Most Sanders voters are good people, don't let the few Busters harsh that.
posted by maggiemaggie at 7:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


I have no real reason for thinking this, but I kind of suspect the card stunt is a buster-related decoy of some sort.

Me too! Especially the 'put down all other signs' bit.
posted by winna at 7:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


(like if I'm not good at picking what songs a pop star does at a Democratic political convention, I don't even know who I am.)
posted by MCMikeNamara at 7:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


So as a Canadian I've never watched a convention before. Is it normal to have musical acts?


According to the AP archives, the 1992 DNC had:

20:01:00 ACTOR MAC DAVIS IMPERSONATES LEGENDARY HUMORIST WILL

ROGERS DURING A SPEECH AT THE CONVENTION. A MUSICAL PERFORMANCE

FROM THE BROADWAY SHOW WILL ROGERS FOLLIES FOLLOWS.

posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Hey you guys remember how terrible those three singers were last night?

Good times.
posted by penduluum at 7:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


One lone earnest man is crying out for an encore.
posted by winna at 7:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


The dude shouting encore is hella optimistic.
posted by Torosaurus at 7:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


"Encore!"
posted by EatTheWeek at 7:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Since I gave her guff she's actually a better live singer than she used to be AFAICT. When she switched from the smaller pre-Kissed-a-Girl kinda songs to the big pop stuff I thought she struggled for a while. Struggled into a hundred million dollars I guess but still.

I feel like Patrick Bateman analyzing Huey Lewis.
posted by Justinian at 7:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Some dude calling for an encore.
posted by paper chromatographologist at 7:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Okay, so now is when Beyonce comes out to do "Freedom"?
posted by palindromic at 7:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Well there's at least one drunk person there because someone is yelling "Encore!" for Katy Perry very clearly and insistently.
posted by TwoStride at 7:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I just.... if they really try to "citizens arrest" Hillary, someone is going to get shot. Have they never heard of the Secret Service? Do they think they have some sort of privilege field that will protect them?
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 7:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Hey "encore" guy, we heard you. You can shut up now.
posted by dersins at 7:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Wow, Katy just killed my youtube stream. Thanks, Obama.
posted by Trifling at 7:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


omg, that little heel click thing on her way out was fabulous...

right now on the PBS/YouTube feed, general crowd noise and one random guy shouting 'Encore!'
posted by FlyingMonkey at 7:03 PM on July 28, 2016


I missed the instructions; when does the card stunt happen?
posted by Weeping_angel at 7:03 PM on July 28, 2016


HOW GOOD WERE THE '90S WITH JT POSTERS ON YOUR WALL JUST LIKE CHELSEA!
posted by Talez at 7:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


PBS demanding Hillary hit a double or better tonight, guess there's a runner in scoring position? Or maybe just a fast guy on first????
posted by clorox at 7:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Bill seems like he's barely holding it together.
posted by Justinian at 7:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]




Good grief she sounds just like her mother.
posted by notyou at 7:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


> privilege field that will protect them?

Same one that protects them from Trump.
posted by mrzarquon at 7:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Chelsea sounds just like her mother. Wow.
posted by zarq at 7:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Get ready, Bill Reaction Shot Gif Squad!
posted by palindromic at 7:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bill's face!
posted by danapiper at 7:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Someone just cheered Elmo!
posted by zachlipton at 7:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


you can really hear Hillary in that "a very proud daughter."
posted by dismas at 7:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Awww big dog hugging his son-in-law while watching Chelseas speak.
posted by nathan_teske at 7:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh god Chelsea is grown up and has a kid?
posted by phliar at 7:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Does anyone know if there's a single, uncut video of Day 3? I missed it :(

Watch the Full 2016 Democratic National Convention - Day 3
posted by ActingTheGoat at 7:04 PM on July 28, 2016


We met Chelsea Clinton back in 2008, when she came to our university on her mom'said campaign. She's so genuinely nice it's scary
posted by Torosaurus at 7:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I don't know if Elmo's the best muppet to pick at this point.
posted by downtohisturtles at 7:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


This woman gave birth 5.5 weeks ago. Amazing.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [30 favorites]


Some dude calling for an encore.

One dude desperately calling for an encore from Katy, that is.
posted by soundguy99 at 7:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


What kind of monster would cheer for Elmo, that obsequious little twerp.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 7:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Chugga chugga got applause. Okay.
posted by stet at 7:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


GOODNIGHT MOON SHOUTOUT!!!
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Good Night, Moon! YES
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 7:05 PM on July 28, 2016


THEY DID NOT APPLAUD "GOODNIGHT MOON"! HEATHENS!!!
posted by soundguy99 at 7:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


DINOSAURS
posted by dougmoon at 7:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Shout out for Chugga-Chugga Choo-Choo
posted by zakur at 7:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


She gave birth five minutes ago and comes out on stage in a tight red dress. Oh youth! Seriously who would have ever imagined that that little girl would grow up to be such a beauty. Suck it, Limbaugh!
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


Triceratops! Woo!
posted by homunculus at 7:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


She's right about triceratops. I remember the Land Before Time.
posted by biogeo at 7:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


DINOSAURS!
posted by stet at 7:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


#DINOSAURS

VOTE FOR OUR TERRIFYING DINOSAUR OVERLORDS
posted by dismas at 7:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


DINOSAURS!! :D
posted by adamt at 7:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


This dinosaur stuff is adorable.
posted by EarBucket at 7:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


hello fellow democrats even though i live in a $10.5 million condo i am down home regular folks and just like you and totally understand your concerns and struggles
posted by entropicamericana at 7:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Dinosaurs!
posted by mrzarquon at 7:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Ok, this note thing really makes me feel like we just nominated Leslie Knope.
posted by carrienation at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


phliar: Oh god Chelsea is grown up and has a kid?

She has TWO!

This woman gave birth 5.5 weeks ago. Amazing.

I KNOW! How is she speaking so coherently? Tiny babies are brain-suckers, and they abhor a schedule.
posted by filthy light thief at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


The notes. Awww damn.
posted by Glinn at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016


Well, she had me with Triceratops.
posted by y2karl at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Major props to Chelsea for giving this speech with a newborn at home. I bet her boobs hurt like hell or she had to pump right before the speech.
She sounded so cute and dorky talking about dinosaurs. I've loved Chelsea since I was a kid and I also had a pet cat! #bffs
posted by areaperson at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Chelsea Clinton finds the triceratops the friendlist-looking of all dinosaurs. She really liked dinosaurs as a kid.
posted by TwoStride at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Chelsea sounds so nervous, which seems odd? She's smoothing out a bit.

I have to say that the Republicans lost me as a potential member of their party when I was a kid at the same time as Chelsea and saw how they treated her. I never forgot it. I never will.
posted by winna at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [45 favorites]


okay tell me why I'm kinda grossed out by speeches from family members of the candidate. I'm perfectly okay finding out that the reason why I'm kind of grossed out by speeches from family members is Problematic. but uh I'm kinda grossed out by speeches from family members.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Bill's about to lose it, I think.
posted by wallabear at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


A Wrinkle in Time is ok. I said it; ok.
posted by Justinian at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I love that Chelsea is still so endearlngly dorky.
posted by dersins at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh yay the twitch stream is back to being live. I've had such glitchy audio on YouTube tonight.
posted by Lorin at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016




Lesson for future convention speakers: just blindly pause if you say a state name.
posted by Skorgu at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh no Chelsea Clinton is that woman from the bizarre jewelry commercial with the Astronaut
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Triceratops--in my opinion, the friendliest looking dinosaurs--although my mom would always remind me, still dinosaurs...
posted by FlyingMonkey at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Chelsea is my sister's age and it is impossible for me to not think of her in a protective brother way and it has been this way since 1992 (so it feels less weird and patriarchal than it sounds)


WRINKLE IN TIME SHOUT OUT
posted by MCMikeNamara at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


that obsequious little twerp.

Is that a Chris Christie dig?
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016


This info about the famed Clinton family dinners is like catnip to me.
posted by acidic at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Like every other schoolchild in America, I had to write a letter to Chelsea Clinton right after the Clintons were elected. Seeing how she's grown up, how poised and wonderful she is...the emotions!
posted by kalimac at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


A Wrinkle in Time shoutout.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Out of favorites but I want to offer all my imaginary super favorites to winna because winna's comments have kept me knowing what's going on when I couldn't watch. Thank you everyone but especially winna.
posted by Joey Michaels at 7:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


"My parents expected me to have opinions... AND to be able to back them up with facts."
posted by Superplin at 7:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [24 favorites]


These are the anecdotes and personal reminiscences that were missing from Ivanka's speech about her father. She's humanizing her mom to the audience in a powerful way, that Trump's children were incapable of doing.
posted by zarq at 7:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


Chelsea is six weeks older than me. I'm digging it and admiring her poise.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump: "I wrote a note on my kid's report card!"

Chelsea: "My mom wrote me notes about her experiences in France while researching child care in a social democracy".

Man Trump, Chelsea just pissed on your rug.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [56 favorites]


Joe Sacco says Sanders delegates in green shirts "have secret plans that cannot be stopped" to protest tonight.

Uh, dude, you just told a reporter and you just showed the whips what you look like.
posted by dw at 7:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


okay tell me why I'm kinda grossed out by speeches from family members of the candidate.

Just spitballing here, but is it possible you may have been slipped a glass of some variety of Haterade?
posted by dersins at 7:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Man, Bill ist verklempt.

Is he breathing?
 
posted by Herodios at 7:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Cards with individual dates on them!
posted by EatTheWeek at 7:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


She is hella poised, no? Like amazingly so.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 7:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


carrienation: Ok, this note thing really makes me feel like we just nominated Leslie Knope.

Leslie Knope feels the same way!
posted by Superplin at 7:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


We can only hope for a Runaway Bunny shoutout....
posted by y2karl at 7:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Public service is about service."

YES
posted by winna at 7:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [21 favorites]


She has Hillary's voice but Bill's vocal fry.
posted by misskaz at 7:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


I love all the dinosaur love here. I kind of wish my four year old son was still awake for that moment, but if he was, he'd just ask which dinosaur she was talking about, because you can't just say "I like dinosaurs" to him and get away with that. And he'd be a huge grouch tomorrow if he stayed up this late.
posted by filthy light thief at 7:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Joe Sacco says Sanders delegates in green shirts "have secret plans that cannot be stopped" to protest tonight.

Wait, is that Joe Sacco the journalist/graphic novel guy?!
posted by infinitywaltz at 7:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


No Cars And Trucks And Things That Go!?!?!

Hillary has no infrastructure plan! LIES!
posted by mrzarquon at 7:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Public service is about SERVICE. Yes. YES.
posted by devinemissk at 7:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Legit Leslie Knope.
posted by cooker girl at 7:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


This one seems forced and overly folksy, there I said it.
posted by ftm at 7:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Yep Chelsea I'm sure you're wondering how your kids are going to get healthcare.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 7:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


(Never heard her voice before. Hmmm.)
posted by wenestvedt at 7:10 PM on July 28, 2016


My favorite dinosaur is the plesiosaur even though they are not actually dinosaurs.
posted by winna at 7:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


hello fellow democrats even though i live in a $10.5 million condo i am down home regular folks and just like you and totally understand your concerns and struggles

Yeah. You're not wrong, but what? I think the guy who owns a whole bunch of buildings with his name on the side and the luxury golf resorts is more in touch with my needs?
posted by zachlipton at 7:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [35 favorites]


Grampa Bill is my favorite Bill Clinton.
posted by filthy light thief at 7:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


Pride and Prejudice shout out!
posted by joedan at 7:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


PRIDE AND PREJUDICE SHOUT OUT
posted by winna at 7:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Somewhere in the United States Steve Gutenberg sheds a single tear of joy.
posted by nathan_teske at 7:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


This one seems forced and overly folksy, there I said it.

She doesn't have the Clinton It Factor (not that she is lacking in talent - she is obviously a pretty brilliant person). From time to time there are whispers about her planning to run for something and I just *really* hope she find her own path doing something else instead.
posted by sallybrown at 7:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


I think this is lovely and I understand why they want to send this portrait of Hillary as a loving, caring mom. But I'm feeling a little uncomfortable with being told the future president will always immediately drop whatever she's doing to be there for her kid.
posted by Mchelly at 7:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


What the hell, Hillary texted me much later.

Voting for Stein.
posted by Tarumba at 7:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


hello fellow democrats even though i live in a $10.5 million condo i am down home regular folks and just like you and totally understand your concerns and struggles

Yeah. You're not wrong, but what? I think the guy who owns a whole bunch of buildings with his name on the side and the luxury golf resorts is more in touch with my needs?


also, she's alluded a few times to how privileged (ok, she said lucky) she was...
posted by FlyingMonkey at 7:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Awww, Bill is tearing up.
posted by longdaysjourney at 7:12 PM on July 28, 2016


Chelsea was my TA for a health policy class when I was doing my MPH and she was just as relatable and knowledgeable as she comes off tonight. I was really looking forward to seeing her speak tonight and I am not disappointed.
posted by Waiting for Pierce Inverarity at 7:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [42 favorites]


Her speech pretty much laid them out as the new Roosevelts and Kennedys, rich-ass people who go into public service. It's smart as hell.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 7:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [27 favorites]


I mean come on, she flat out told us that her parents taught her that she was "smiled on by fate." She fucking knows she's privileged.
posted by cooker girl at 7:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [58 favorites]


zachlipton: I think the guy who owns a whole bunch of buildings with his name on the side and the luxury golf resorts is more in touch with my needs?

His son called him "a blue-collar billionaire." As Jon Stewart shouted "THAT'S NOT A REAL THING!"
posted by filthy light thief at 7:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


I have to say that the Republicans lost me as a potential member of their party when I was a kid at the same time as Chelsea and saw how they treated her. I never forgot it. I never will.
posted by winna at 10:07 PM

I never forgot, never forgave. That all those gross men could make fun of a young woman for her looks at a time when she was thrust into the spotlight for no reason of her own, just horrified and it made me hate Limbaugh with the passion of a thousand suns. It is his single biggest sin in my eyes. He tortured a child because she wasn't pretty enough in his eyes just so he could score an easy joke. What a lump of excrescence.

But tonight it is Chelsea's night to shine, it is Hillary's night to shine. So shine on ladies!
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [106 favorites]


I hope the democrats have a good plan for whatever is about to happen. I'm looking forward to this video, and Hillary's speech.
posted by cashman at 7:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bill & Tim Kaine are sitting next to each other and chuckling about something and now I want "Bill and Tim's Excellent Adventure."
posted by soundguy99 at 7:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [26 favorites]


Yep Chelsea I'm sure you're wondering how your kids are going to get healthcare.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 7:10 PM on 7/28
[+] [!]


That just sounds petty and mean, sorry.
posted by ramix at 7:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [37 favorites]


Being rich does not necessarily mean that you are defacto a selfish asshole.
posted by hollygoheavy at 7:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [24 favorites]


"This November, I'm voting for a woman who is my role model as a mother and an advocate. [...] I'm voting for the progressive who will protect our environment and our communities from gun violence [...] and who knows that women's rights are human rights, and that LGBT rights are human rights."
posted by winna at 7:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


LGBT RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS
posted by donatella at 7:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Tarumba: What the hell, Hillary texted me much later. Voting for Stein.

I got my text while Katy Perry was singing. Guess Hils knows who her real supporters are.
posted by Superplin at 7:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


man I was really hoping for a "and she knows black lives matter" at the end of the list of all those "she knows."
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 7:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


New life goal: to watch the BBC Pride and Prejudice miniseries with the Clintons.
posted by muddgirl at 7:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm loving the proud dad shots, too.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Morgan Freeman!
posted by danapiper at 7:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Morgan Freeman!!!
posted by mollywas at 7:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wait, is that Joe Sacco the journalist/graphic novel guy?!

No. Here's his resume. This guy's a realtor/activist.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"To everyone here watching and at home I know my mother will make us proud."
posted by winna at 7:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


You Can't Tip a Buick, it bothers me too. Possibly it's because, at best, it's biased - if the parents aren't total incompetents, their kids love them deeply. Any public speech that focuses on the parent's good qualities, no matter how true and accurate, is infused with that childhood adoration and it's like walking into a deeply personal moment.

Also, there's a weird dichotomy between "here's my mom, who was awesome and supportive and loving when I was growing up," [insert heartwarming incident recollections], followed by, "here's this woman's amazing public accomplishments." It hits the uncanny valley buttons... are you talking about a family member or a politician? (Okay, yeah, both, but... still makes me twitchy.)

It may even be a necessary part of the narrative, given how anti-family the Republican platform is; it just makes me squirm a bit.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 7:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I doubt it. Chelsea Clinton is a grown woman.

I'm not sure that matters; I'm grown and I'm fairly confident my mom would drop whatever she was doing if I called and said I needed help.
posted by Justinian at 7:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Bill & Tim Kaine are sitting next to each other and chuckling about something and now I want "Bill and Tim's Excellent Adventure."

I know there are filmmaker types reading this, so please make this happen immediately thanks.
posted by Superplin at 7:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


MORGAN FUCKING FREEMAN
posted by entropicamericana at 7:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Who's the narrator?
posted by zachlipton at 7:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Morgan Freeman voiceover!
posted by joedan at 7:15 PM on July 28, 2016


MORGAN!
posted by downtohisturtles at 7:15 PM on July 28, 2016


Huh, when I tuned in to the YouTube livestream a few hours ago (right around the time of the Right Rev. Barber), there were about 40K watching. That number is now sitting around 200K.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:15 PM on July 28, 2016


Oh shit, Morgan Freeman. God's narrating her story!
posted by lovecrafty at 7:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


YES! Morgan Freeman voice-over! Obama anecdotes! Who did Trump have for his video introduction?
posted by filthy light thief at 7:15 PM on July 28, 2016


Oh shit, they brought out the big gun: Morgan Freeman
posted by zombieflanders at 7:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Morgan Freeman narration FTW
posted by zakur at 7:15 PM on July 28, 2016


President Obama is talking about Hillary's laugh omg.
posted by winna at 7:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]




Morgan Freeman. BOOM. Voice of God!
posted by mochapickle at 7:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


In case no ones mentioned this I'm pretty sure I saw on twitter this video was made by Shonda Rhimes.
posted by DynamiteToast at 7:16 PM on July 28, 2016


Fuckin Morgan Freeman voiceover damn
posted by mothershock at 7:16 PM on July 28, 2016


Of course Morgan Freeman as narrator. Of course.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Gotta confess - I burst out laughing at the sound of Morgan Freeman's voice. Like, "OF COURSE it's him!"
posted by dnash at 7:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Somewhere in the United States Steve Gutenberg sheds a single tear of joy.

WE DO! WE DO!
posted by Talez at 7:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


oe Sacco says Sanders delegates in green shirts "have secret plans that cannot be stopped" to protest tonight.

If only there were some way to identify them, make them stand out from the crowd...
posted by bongo_x at 7:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Aw, yeah, that sweet molasses.
posted by rewil at 7:16 PM on July 28, 2016


I liked what she said, but not super into her prosodic structure during that speech. Must be the phonetician in me. But still impressed with her, especially knowing she's just given birth.
posted by k8bot at 7:16 PM on July 28, 2016


Where is this kitchen?!
posted by mynameisluka at 7:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


librarina just lined up the tiny bottles of bourbon that we've been saving.
posted by stet at 7:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah Morgan Freeman is killing it with the voiceover. We just need Ken Burns and some massive slow pan photo shots.
posted by winna at 7:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hillary's mom

:(

What the fuck that is awful
posted by Tarumba at 7:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Okay her dad looks like Tim Kaine.

IT ALL MAKES SENSE.
posted by Salieri at 7:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Man, Morgan Freeman as the voiceover for Hillary's intro vid is not playing fair.
posted by TwoStride at 7:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh for fuck's sake, my HUSBAND would drop everything for our kids. It's not just a mom or grandma thing and to say so is really fucking gendered.
posted by cooker girl at 7:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [45 favorites]


OMG She got God himself to narrate! I dead! I so dead!
posted by ramix at 7:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Joe Sacco says Sanders delegates in green shirts "have secret plans that cannot be stopped" to protest tonight.

They're going to spell out LIAR in the seats using their green shirts when the lights go down. Jesus Christ it took me like thirty fucking seconds to figure that one out.
posted by Talez at 7:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I hope but don't expect Hillary's speech to go something like this:

Thank you, thank you. Thank you for everything.

I could spend 74 minutes up here telling you nothing but I'm going to spend 3 minutes telling you everything you need to know about this election.

Donald Trump is not fit to be President.

We do not hate. We do not succumb to fear. We do not forget our citizens.

I will not forget us.

I accept your nomination to be the next President of the United States of America.

Thank you, thank you.

Thank you.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 7:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


> We just need Ken Burns and some massive slow pan photo shots.

We got 100 more days.
posted by mrzarquon at 7:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


The Voice of God
posted by longdaysjourney at 7:18 PM on July 28, 2016


The line about how "grandma would be so proud" made me burst into tears standing in my kitchen.
posted by you're a kitty! at 7:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


How old was Hillary's mother getting those coupons? I missed that.
posted by polymodus at 7:18 PM on July 28, 2016


this vs. Jon Voight saying "He built some buildings and golf courses."
posted by gatorae at 7:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


She went undercover as a housewife to prove Alabama was evading desegregation? I want to hear more on that! I want a miniseries!
posted by winna at 7:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


wait Bill speech reprise?
posted by FlyingMonkey at 7:19 PM on July 28, 2016


Shawshank reference please. Please.
posted by skewed at 7:19 PM on July 28, 2016


"we grow the biggest watermelons in the world"
posted by mrzarquon at 7:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


polymodus, four.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:19 PM on July 28, 2016


Ok enough with the laptop-and-headphones DNC stream time, it's big tv and YouTube on the Chromecast for Hillary!
posted by jason_steakums at 7:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think this is lovely and I understand why they want to send this portrait of Hillary as a loving, caring mom. But I'm feeling a little uncomfortable with being told the future president will always immediately drop whatever she's doing to be there for her kid.

There's an interesting academic discussion about putting the country ahead of family (it's a West Wing trope in fact), but this line of thinking has also been used to disqualify women from millions of jobs and it's pretty problematic.
posted by zachlipton at 7:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [42 favorites]


Kitchen table Hillary is a good Hillary. I'm liking this approach. I like situation room Hillary, too, but this is good. Strong and relatable.
posted by gimonca at 7:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Hillary got the nominations but she needed to crawl through 1000 yards of Republican shit to do it..."
posted by Joey Michaels at 7:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


ahhhhhhhh bailed on class and raged through stupid rush hour traffic and made it home just in time, yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
posted by palomar at 7:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


oh hey guys I think that might be Morgan Freeman narrating
posted by biogeo at 7:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Whoa Hillary's mom was rough when she got bullied - she told Hillary there was no room for cowards in her house and sent her back out to deal with it.
posted by winna at 7:20 PM on July 28, 2016


It's still a radical statement, Bill.
posted by mynameisluka at 7:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


it was kinda distressing in that Hillary and Bill with Infant picture how much she looks like my mother at that age ...
posted by FlyingMonkey at 7:21 PM on July 28, 2016


South Park established that Morgan Freeman is the guy Hollywood calls to explain something complicated to white people in a movie.
posted by humanfont at 7:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [42 favorites]


hello fellow democrats even though i live in a $10.5 million condo i am down home regular folks and just like you and totally understand your concerns and struggles

Believe it or not there are many people that this would be true for.
posted by bongo_x at 7:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Just spitballing here, but is it possible you may have been slipped a glass of some variety of Haterade?

Wingnut's Old White Republican, no doubt, One sip and you're brain-dead on Hillary hatin'...

Like I said elsewhere, Joseph Goebbels is beaming with a father's pride from his circle of Hell.
posted by y2karl at 7:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Say, who's the narraYES WEHAVE GOT A VIDEO!
 
posted by Herodios at 7:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh man, the pocket Constitution, another thing conservatives will be convinced was stolen from them.

Actually I'd wager - If it's like every pocket constitution I have ever come across - that it's from the Cato institute.
posted by phearlez at 7:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


See y'all on the other side. I'm diving deep into this.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]






Huh, when I tuned in to the YouTube livestream a few hours ago (right around the time of the Right Rev. Barber), there were about 40K watching. That number is now sitting around 200K


We all moved over from the other stream which had us stuck backstage.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:22 PM on July 28, 2016


I mean child poverty and neglect are horrible but my childhood fantasy was probably to be given coupons and wandering out to eat alone at a café at night.
posted by feral_goldfish at 7:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Talking about 9/11, and the narration talks about what "Hillary and Chuck" did, not just her.
posted by une_heure_pleine at 7:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Aspect ratio fail on one clip!
posted by Yowser at 7:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


It's been 15 years, and it's still hard as hell to watch those images and listen to these testimonies... but they are absolutely right that she fought like hell for New York and the responders.
posted by zarq at 7:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


I am so not being emotionally manipulated.
posted by ZenMasterThis at 7:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


She went undercover as a housewife to prove Alabama was evading desegregation? I want to hear more on that! I want a miniseries!
Here you go.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 7:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


She went undercover as a housewife to prove Alabama was evading desegregation? I want to hear more on that! I want a miniseries!

Elect her and Netflix will get right on it.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Took on the EPA"

I see what you did there, Hillary, throwing Republicans a bone.
posted by C'est la D.C. at 7:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Look at her. Look at her face."
posted by you're a kitty! at 7:24 PM on July 28, 2016


hey everyone morgan freeman just said "in the room" so uh if you've got a reference of some sort handy you might want to get going on that.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 7:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


And now "When I was a part of a group that was asked to advise the President" about the Bin Ladin killing. Not "when I was asked".
posted by une_heure_pleine at 7:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


How Hillary Clinton Went Undercover to Examine Race in Education

She busted a school that was defying desegration laws.
posted by hollygoheavy at 7:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


I want Hillary Clinton to come up behind me in a bathroom and hug me
posted by mollywas at 7:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


I mean child poverty and neglect are horrible but my childhood fantasy was probably to be given coupons and wandering out to eat alone at a café at night.

My wife and I too just had the Coupon Talk in regards to our child's future prospects.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Choke on shit Scott Adams.
posted by cmfletcher at 7:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [22 favorites]


Actually I'd wager - If it's like every pocket constitution I have ever come across - that it's from the Cato institute.

What? It's the pocket constitution you get at some point during the naturalization ceremony. I look forward to getting mine soon.
posted by Talez at 7:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [35 favorites]


jesus you guys this is not 'how women must present themselves in public' this is HILLARY CLINTON LIZARD QUEEN ICE SCULPTURE shocking reveal. they are A. completely free to be as sentimental as they please because she is one woman, maybe THE one woman, whose toughness and steely core cannot be questioned, especially by her enemies! people still living believe she murdered a man, remember?

and B, trying to tempt Trump into attacking her for being an emotional baby-loving woman, which would be absolutely fantastic for her, because (see A.)

complain when they do this to the next woman president but this is Hillary's finest revenge hour and for all of us who had to watch her be humiliated into baking apology cookies and cowering under her husband's last name, seeing her turn it all around on those fuckers who are, as I say, STILL BREATHING, and run as Power Grandma, is sweet, ironic, vicious, and adorable. I am a childless spinster and I am pro-all of this sentimental garbage because of CONTEXT.
posted by queenofbithynia at 7:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [144 favorites]


Remember how last week they made a video that told us about that time Donald Trump got an ice skating rink built?
posted by zachlipton at 7:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Can Morgan Freeman be her Press Secretary?
posted by jason_steakums at 7:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


The matrilineal descent of the American Dream!
posted by Sublimity at 7:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Wow, Dems even trawling 9/11 for emotional resonance. They are really trying to build something that feels familiar to Republicans.
posted by dry white toast at 7:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"There's more than enough American Dream to go around."

WOW
posted by wenestvedt at 7:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


You Can't Tip a Buick: hey everyone morgan freeman just said "in the room" so uh if you've got a reference of some sort handy you might want to get going on that.

I'm sure I don't know what you mean; you forget yourself.
posted by Superplin at 7:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


"There is more than enough of the American dream to go around" -- THIS is how her approach is different from Trump's.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 7:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Worth noting that Republicans tried to fuck over New York every step of the way re: finance and security. And Schumer and Clinton fought them every step.
posted by zarq at 7:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


Choke on shit Scott Adams.

I mean, yes, but it seems like a non sequitur?
posted by dersins at 7:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


OMG we're at peak Morgan Freeman narration.

"Without fanfare, Hillary attended Debbie's wedding. And Debbie danced. She danced."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [25 favorites]


Good point, Bill.
posted by penduluum at 7:26 PM on July 28, 2016


to generation
posted by Flashman at 7:26 PM on July 28, 2016


I wonder how many busters are going to rush the stage after this video.
posted by mrzarquon at 7:26 PM on July 28, 2016


Oh, that unbroken line of women. Now I'm crying.
posted by yasaman at 7:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


hey everyone morgan freeman just said "in the room" so uh if you've got a reference of some sort handy you might want to get going on that.

Oh hi Mark Hillary
posted by Panjandrum at 7:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


oh man, i'm already crying, this is gonna be way harder on me than last night. her speech the night of the california primary made me bawl my big dumb face off, so... yeah. oh boy.
posted by palomar at 7:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Talking about 9/11, and the narration talks about what "Hillary and Chuck" did, not just her.

Of course it does. Chuck Schumer is likely going to take over as the leader of the Democratic Senators after Reid steps down. She knows that, and her attention to little details like that are why she's going to be an great President.
posted by joedan at 7:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [26 favorites]


During the UN section of the video my 5 year old jumped up and grabbed her Hillary book. https://flic.kr/p/JEy2oY
posted by iamabot at 7:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


great profile picture of HRC
posted by k8bot at 7:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Watching with my 18 yo daughter. About to cry.
posted by chaoticgood at 7:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Jacqui Deegan ‏@JacqKD now8 seconds ago
Storms. Complete power black-out in Georgetown as of 10 min ago. I wonder how much of the DC area can't see HRC speak. #DNCinPHL
posted by waitingtoderail at 7:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


No pressure...
posted by uosuaq at 7:27 PM on July 28, 2016


I really admire Chelsea, not because she lives in a 10.5 million dollar house, but because she was a kind of nerdy kid who got the shit bullied out of her in high school and grew up to be an accomplished young woman anyway.
posted by humanfont at 7:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [36 favorites]


Hillary Clinton coming to the stage.

Some of you may have heard of her.
posted by winna at 7:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [21 favorites]


I haven't seen my wife this weepy since Laurens died.
posted by stet at 7:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


I was kinda hoping she'd walk out to Who Run the World (Girls).
posted by rtha at 7:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


FIGHT SONG
posted by Small Dollar at 7:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wow, Dems even trawling 9/11 for emotional resonance. They are really trying to build something that feels familiar to Republicans.

I am a New Yorker who lived here before, during, through and after 9/11. This isn't trawling. This is truth, and history.
posted by zarq at 7:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [59 favorites]


RE: Pocket Constitution
Make a donation to the ACLU and you'll receive a pocket constitution that has all of the original words and nothing else.
posted by X4ster at 7:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


gosh I'm going to have fun sobbing hysterically for the next period of time
posted by kalimac at 7:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


i'm going to cry so hard when this woman is finally elected president, if tonight is any indication
posted by hepta at 7:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Aw. This Sanders supporter is feeling a lot better about things right about now.
posted by litlnemo at 7:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Good evening, Madam President....
posted by TrishaU at 7:28 PM on July 28, 2016


WHITE PANTSUIT

SHE HAS RETURNED AS HILLARY THE WHITE
posted by dw at 7:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [254 favorites]


Heh. No bootleg music here. And no angry musicians tweeting "hey, I don't care what you paid for a license - I hate you and I don't support you cause."
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 7:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]




Hillary Clinton coming to the stage.

Some of you may have heard of her.


Nice deep dive, this deserves its own FPP.
posted by DynamiteToast at 7:29 PM on July 28, 2016


popping in to say fight song is a badass jam, still no shame.
posted by Annika Cicada at 7:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I see a group of busters not far from the stage. I'm worried what they're going to do.
posted by dry white toast at 7:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


And she brought me woodford reserve in a coffee cup.
posted by stet at 7:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bill is in the audience with tears in his eyes.
posted by winna at 7:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Kareem in the crowd waving a flag :D
posted by litlnemo at 7:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


She walked out and I burst into tears for the first time. It finally dawned on me that we are gonna elect a woman.
posted by gaspode at 7:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [29 favorites]


The shots of these young women sobbing. Oh god.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


Holy crap, I am nervous.
posted by codacorolla at 7:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Another admission - I went to the grocery store today just to buy a box of Kleenex. I'm already halfway through the box and she hasn't event started talking yet!!!
posted by ramix at 7:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Loving the CSPAN slow pan out over the audience. Also, Bill looks so proud.
posted by Torosaurus at 7:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


DNC crowd response to Clinton > RNC crowd response to Trump
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 7:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Curse you Big Kleenex.
posted by zachlipton at 7:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Not Hillary, my wife.
posted by stet at 7:30 PM on July 28, 2016


All democrat political speakers should walk out to primo beats please RT
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:30 PM on July 28, 2016


Holy shit here I go crying.
posted by winna at 7:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


FIGHT SONG

Wasn't sure how much I liked this song when the first did the video the other night, but I really think it worked for her walk out.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 7:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


I'm in north DC, no storm here.
posted by OmieWise at 7:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Watching on PBS and they just won't shut up. They keep describing what we're looking at as if we're blind.
posted by octothorpe at 7:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


gaspode: She walked out and I burst into tears for the first time. It finally dawned on me that we are gonna elect a woman.

We'll all be crying a lot harder if we don't elect her.
posted by wenestvedt at 7:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Wow, Dems even trawling 9/11 for emotional resonance. They are really trying to build something that feels familiar to Republicans.

....9/11 affected us Democratic New Yorkers too, you know.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [46 favorites]


Think they started with the heckling
posted by Tarumba at 7:31 PM on July 28, 2016


I'm crying and if those fuckers ruin this I'm gonna become a vengeance demon, I swear.

I'm sure I have D'Hoffryn's card here somewhere.
posted by Superplin at 7:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [40 favorites]


I am astonished by my tears, and they flow.
posted by palindromic at 7:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I could watch Bill's reaction shots all night. He is so in awe of her.
posted by danapiper at 7:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Bill BEAMING!
posted by thebrokedown at 7:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Bill looks just freakin' giddy.
posted by waitingtoderail at 7:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


James Carville?
posted by stet at 7:31 PM on July 28, 2016


Seriously, Bill Clinton is lit up with pride like a Christmas tree.
posted by winna at 7:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [21 favorites]


Bill looks so proud he's about to burst.
posted by E. Whitehall at 7:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


She's gonna make a great president.
posted by persona au gratin at 7:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


She called him her 'explainer in chief'! HA
posted by winna at 7:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


Chief Mansplainer
posted by mrzarquon at 7:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


I grew up in a political family. The Democratic party has always been in the background of my life, even when I wasn't politically active. I have never even come close to seeing this. I cannot explain how much it means that I am seeing a woman being cheered, a woman who will be president.
posted by kalimac at 7:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


"And I've even gotten a few words in, along the way."

"My Explainer-in-Chief"

I have never loved her like I do right now.
posted by Superplin at 7:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


HIL-LA-RY chants are counter-chants, I presume
posted by zakur at 7:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Watching on PBS and they just won't shut up. They keep describing what we're looking at as if we're blind.

I had to switch to network news because of that. Yes, thank you for confirming verbally that she just walked the length of the stage!
posted by adamp88 at 7:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


SHE HAS RETURNED AS HILLARY THE WHITE

And she has come back to us now, at the turning of the tide.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [79 favorites]


"my explainer in chief"
ha!
posted by FlyingMonkey at 7:32 PM on July 28, 2016


Watching on PBS and they just won't shut up. They keep describing what we're looking at as if we're blind.

They're simulcasting with NPR
posted by clorox at 7:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Loving that "Herstory" sign in the crowd shot.
2016 isn't all bad.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 7:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Man from Hope, man of hope! I LOVE IT
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


[Listening to PBS on the radio, so I'm glad they're describing things, but you guys are even better]
posted by acrasis at 7:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Aw, look at Bill.
posted by litlnemo at 7:33 PM on July 28, 2016


Hilary Clinton is the real life Hermione Granger.
posted by the thought-fox at 7:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [50 favorites]


"We heard from the man from Hope, Bill Clinton, and the man of hope, Barack Obama!"
posted by winna at 7:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


If she makes a Hamilton reference I will bodily ascend to heaven.
posted by kalimac at 7:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


"And we also heard from Tim Kaine. Moving on..."
posted by Justinian at 7:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


PSA: If you don't have CSPAN, watch on Twitch. Zero commentary.
posted by middleclasstool at 7:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


dw: "SHE HAS RETURNED AS HILLARY THE WHITE"

"And I come back to you now, at the turn of the tide."
posted by scrump at 7:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Well, the Busters are trying to boo, but they're getting absolutely run over.
posted by dw at 7:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


She looks reassuringly strong. I totally see her dealing with the tough stuff like it's no biggie.
posted by Tarumba at 7:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Y'all remember what a big deal it was that this woman couldn't bake a good batch of cookies? I do.
posted by waitingtoderail at 7:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [52 favorites]


Jesus, a brown-skinned Palestinian Jew

Not chronologically accurate, it was Judaea until around 135 CE. /grumbles
posted by Joe in Australia at 7:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


lol all the flags. Yeah, no flags at this convention, nosir.

Keep trollin', guys. Keep trollin'.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


I love Joe Biden. Middle class Joe. And they didn't mean that kindly.
posted by persona au gratin at 7:34 PM on July 28, 2016


....9/11 affected us Democratic New Yorkers too, you know.

Of course. But GOP conventions have practically fetishized the tragedy ever since.
posted by dry white toast at 7:34 PM on July 28, 2016


Tim Kaine: "Hey that's me!"
posted by octothorpe at 7:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [43 favorites]


Tim Kaine brought snacks for everyone at the DNC.
posted by k8bot at 7:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [29 favorites]


Why are so many down on Clinton's speaking chops? I think she's nailing it.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 7:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Different tie!
posted by sara is disenchanted at 7:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Tim Kaine is still thrilled to be Tim Kaine
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [27 favorites]


#besties wave from Vice President Dad
posted by Torosaurus at 7:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Not even a wave Bernie? You just sit here looking mad.
posted by zachlipton at 7:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Bernie Sanders looks like he's about to tell her to get off his lawn
posted by mollywas at 7:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [25 favorites]


The end of that video just gave me chills.
posted by wallabear at 7:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Come on Bernie, smile. Come on. Come on. THERE IT IS!
posted by zakur at 7:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Bernie looks TENSE
posted by showbiz_liz at 7:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


If she makes a Hamilton reference I will bodily ascend to heaven.

She literally said that history has its eye on us.
posted by stet at 7:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


my husband: c'mon bernie... they're cheering for you... smile....
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:35 PM on July 28, 2016


Bernie grumpy as fuck. I love it.
posted by dis_integration at 7:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh Bernie
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bernie looks so nervous. I think he's worried about his supporters
posted by Torosaurus at 7:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [38 favorites]


Crack a smile, Bernie.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bernie looks shamed and sick. Wonder what devil's deal he had to make?
posted by Scram at 7:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Cuts to Bernie's straight face.

*cue Curb OST*
posted by mysticreferee at 7:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Bernie is sitting sort of hunched, unsmiling, as Clinton lauds his campaign and his commitment.
posted by winna at 7:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


At first I thought Bernie was looking sullen, but now I think he's trying as hard as he can to hold back tears.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [50 favorites]


Thank you for throwing some love to Bernie and his supporters, Hillary. We're going to hold you to it.
posted by entropicamericana at 7:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [25 favorites]


Why are so many down on Clinton's speaking chops? I think she's nailing it.

Yeah, anyone who thinks she can't give a good speech should watch the Harriet Tubman part of her speech from the 2008 convention.
posted by Blue Jello Elf at 7:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


DId Bernie just blush there?
posted by litlnemo at 7:35 PM on July 28, 2016


That was a short pan over the Bernie group.
posted by mrzarquon at 7:36 PM on July 28, 2016


Disgruntled green shirt people reluctantly clapping.
posted by devinemissk at 7:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


These people who are for a fracking ban and care about climate change make no sense to me.
posted by persona au gratin at 7:36 PM on July 28, 2016


I'm pretty sure Bernie's terrified one of his delegates is gonna do something tremendously stupid.
posted by waitingtoderail at 7:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Yeah, I'm not sure what that expression was on Bernie's face, but he wasn't happy.
posted by joedan at 7:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I also thought Bernie was trying to hold back tears.
posted by source.decay at 7:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


"Your cause is our cause." AMEN, SISTER.

"We wrote it together, now let's go out and make it happen together."
posted by scrump at 7:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Bernie looks shamed and sick. Wonder what devil's deal he had to make?

He's terrified his buster bros are going to fuck up his legacy.
posted by dersins at 7:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [31 favorites]


She has OWNED the Bernie Busters
posted by thebrokedown at 7:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I do think Bernie was trying to keep from crying on national TV.
posted by litlnemo at 7:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


my god I am on the edge of my seat over the card stunt.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 7:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"We wrote it together, now let's out and make it happen together."

Gauntlet. Thrown.
posted by dw at 7:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yeah, Bernie looked to me like he's trying to keep a grip on his emotions. Be a bit more charitable, y'all. Sheesh.
posted by TwoStride at 7:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [37 favorites]


Was Bernie mad or nervous?
posted by Tarumba at 7:37 PM on July 28, 2016


Hamilton shit is gonna go.
posted by mrzarquon at 7:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think Bernie looks like he doesn't want to be responsible for these asshats, but he knows he kinda is.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


go on and tell me it's all in my head because it is, but I swear to god her "thanks" to Bernie had some bless-your-heart acid sugar in it and I loved it
posted by queenofbithynia at 7:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


"We wrote it together, now let's go out and make it happen together!"

She is good. Please let them not be puissance* about this.

*I wrote "pissants" but I thought the autocorrect was funny.
posted by Superplin at 7:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"What happened in this city 240 years ago is still relevant today. [...] We don't focus enough on how it almost never happened at all."
posted by winna at 7:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


She's talking about the Revolution is she gonna Hamilton?
posted by zachlipton at 7:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


COMPROMISE????? BOOOOOOOO
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:37 PM on July 28, 2016


Y'all remember what a big deal it was that this woman couldn't bake a good batch of cookies? I do.

Wouldn't, not couldn't.
posted by one_bean at 7:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


in the political comedy movie version of this convention we see and hear Clinton's speech in the background while the camera follows around the different roving groups of card saboteurs and counter-saboteurs and counter-counter-saboteurs.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 7:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


I prefer inspirational Hillary to wordplay Hillary.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 7:37 PM on July 28, 2016


At first I thought Bernie was looking sullen, but now I think he's trying as hard as he can to hold back tears.

yes! he looks like my jewish grandfather trying not to be emotional...
posted by FlyingMonkey at 7:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


The woman with the "WALK THE WALK" sign: That's perfect, totally appropriate and necessary. That's how you do it!
posted by argybarg at 7:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


Uhh, we didn't compromise with the English loyalists, we defeated them in pitched warfare.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


She's gonna be in the room where it happens
posted by Torosaurus at 7:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]



Of course. But GOP conventions have practically fetishized the tragedy ever since.


Yeah, no shit. That doesn't make telling the story of the New York Senators who helped us through it, pandering to the fucking Republicans.
posted by zarq at 7:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


Bernie looks so nervous. I think he's worried about his supporters

*Don't try citizens arrest*
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:38 PM on July 28, 2016


I do think Bernie was trying to keep from crying on national TV.

He'll watch Pride and Prejudice, and Police Academy later.
posted by polymodus at 7:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"There are no guarantees. [...] We have to decide whether we will all work together so we can all rise together."
posted by winna at 7:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


E Pluribus Unum! Yes!
posted by devinemissk at 7:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think Bernie just didn't know he was on camera. And he's forcing himself to sit through the show. He's had the same look the past how many days.
posted by zennie at 7:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


The woman with the "WALK THE WALK" sign: That's perfect, totally appropriate and necessary. That's how you do it!

Not really. She's a Buster.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:39 PM on July 28, 2016


zennie: "He's had the same look the past how many days."

Resting Bern Face
posted by mhum at 7:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [55 favorites]


Morning to midnight!!!
posted by thebrokedown at 7:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"He's (Trump) taken the Republican party a long way. From Morning in America to Midnight in America."
posted by winna at 7:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


Uhh, we didn't compromise with the English loyalists, we defeated them in pitched warfare.

IIRC there was also literal tarring and feathering.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


FDR'S FEAR QUOTE, FUCK. YES.
posted by entropicamericana at 7:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


She looks and sounds like Athena herself and I am beside myself with the hope and glee that she is gonna be our Commander in Chief
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [62 favorites]


Why are so many down on Clinton's speaking chops? I think she's nailing it.

I have this condition where I tend to think of Hillary as this feckless, pseudo-Republican who is going to sell us out immediately for some sort of worst of both worlds compromise. Then I hear her speak and listen to her positions, and realize I was thinking of cartoon Hillary.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [80 favorites]


BTW: Speech.
posted by hleehowon at 7:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Absolutely perfect cadence on that FDR quote. Nicely done.
posted by notsnot at 7:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


The FDR call back was perfect
posted by kanewai at 7:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


FDR shoutout now I'm crying. And the crowd echoed "...is fear itself!"
posted by The Nutmeg of Consolation at 7:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


SHE PLAGIARIZED FDR
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [54 favorites]


Our disabled President told Trump to get stuffed 80 years ago. Awesome. Try mocking him, you shit stain.
posted by leotrotsky at 7:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [25 favorites]


IIRC there was also literal tarring and feathering.

That's what passed for compromise in the 1700s!
posted by Blue Jello Elf at 7:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hillary's not a particularly good reader. She sound forced and doesn't have any musicality. WHOOP DEE DOO
posted by argybarg at 7:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Love the fear line! Here's looking forward to the end of the no-fly lists and other security theatre nonsense.
posted by phliar at 7:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Where everyone who wants a good job can get one"

I like that she acknowledges the unambitious. This is not a joke, btw.
posted by stet at 7:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Why in the everloving fuck is that man wearing a dancing baby tie to the DNC
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


God she's just such a badass. I love when she gets fired up.
posted by k8bot at 7:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


But yeah, Hillary's natural speech style is "Championship Debate Club."

I am super OK with that.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [24 favorites]


Man, that Melania Trump fear quote was great.

HAMBURGER
posted by scrump at 7:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Uhh, we didn't compromise with the English loyalists, we defeated them in pitched warfare.

I think she meant the colonists compromised with each other so they could focus on fighting the British instead of being a circular firing squad.
posted by a fiendish thingy at 7:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


Can we just vote tomorrow, please?
posted by wenestvedt at 7:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


My two-year-old is playing Dr. Panda Airport on her tablet, and I am trying to figure out how to convey to her my desire that she watch this speech, please help.
posted by palindromic at 7:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I think she meant the colonists compromised with each other so they could focus on fighting the British instead of being a circular firing squad.

except for the third that had to flee to what is now Canada
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


ooooh, she's got that look in her eyes
posted by wallabear at 7:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am starting to feel overwhelmed on her behalf I mean those are pretty huge promises.
posted by Tarumba at 7:42 PM on July 28, 2016


She was talking about compromise in the continental congress, not the Revolution itself. Sheesh.
posted by adamg at 7:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I think the world is wide enough for a few more hamilton riffs.
posted by stet at 7:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


Make the lady stop talking! I don't like the lady talking! Boo hiss lady!
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 7:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah, I like the way she speaks. It's really comforting. She doesn't have to be like Obama or Bill or Michelle. She's her. I like that. She's authoritative and in command and it shows.
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [37 favorites]


"Don't let anyone tell you our country is weak. We're not. Don't let anyone tell you we don't have what it takes. We do. And most importantly, don't believe anyone who tells you I alone can fix it."
posted by winna at 7:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [31 favorites]


Unless you just want to sit there, watching it bern.
posted by stet at 7:43 PM on July 28, 2016


Really? I alone can fix it?

TRUMP BURN
posted by zakur at 7:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Live already taught us that "I Alone" is a creepy line.
posted by palindromic at 7:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [33 favorites]


> The woman with the "WALK THE WALK" sign: That's perfect, totally appropriate and necessary. That's how you do it!

Not really. She's a Buster.


And that was kind of the point, that if a Buster held a small sign like that and that's it, then that would be much better than "citizens arrests" or fart-ins or whatever the hell else.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Can we just vote tomorrow, please?

Hell no
posted by DynamiteToast at 7:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is really good. The part where I start crying.
posted by k8bot at 7:43 PM on July 28, 2016


Hillary just deployed an Olympic-class level 'Really?' of sarcasm and if she uses it in the debate Trump will just explode in a puff of orange rage.
posted by winna at 7:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [39 favorites]


Can we just vote tomorrow, please?

Are you kiddin'...the next hundred days of Trump roasting are gonna be epic!
posted by OHenryPacey at 7:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Another way the Bush administration tried to fuck over Hillary re: 9/11 is that he called Chuck Shumer to coordinate and debrief, but not her. Asshole politicized a crisis so she'd look clueless and unprepared.
posted by carmicha at 7:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


She's talking about the Revolution is she gonna Hamilton?

Oh you guise. I love Hamilton as much as anybody else on this site but seriously we can talk about American History at the DNC without mentioning Hamilton. The Founding Fathers and the Constitution are not just musical plot points.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [27 favorites]


I wasn't excited about the speech until just this part.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 7:44 PM on July 28, 2016


She's killing it
posted by mothershock at 7:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


We just don't expect or intuitively feel that a woman speaking in public is authoritative. But she's doing fine. Obama had little stutters and short pauses and volume changes. You just don't notice because he's a man and known to be an excellent speaker.
posted by R343L at 7:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


Your two year old isn't going to remember this speech. Let her play, then remind her later that she was there for this speech. You know, like when she's running for her first political position.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


It'd be ok if they referenced Hamilton one last time.
posted by drezdn at 7:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


So are the loud Hillary chants that keep randomly surging just to drown out Berners?
posted by DynamiteToast at 7:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Coming up on a portion about Dallas, so expect more boos/chants.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:44 PM on July 28, 2016


She just compared Trump to King George we must lol.

"Remember: Our Founders fought a revolution and wrote a Constitution so America would never be a nation where one person had all the power."
posted by winna at 7:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


You know we're going to It Takes a Village here.
posted by zachlipton at 7:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


palindromic: My two-year-old is playing Dr. Panda Airport on her tablet, and I am trying to figure out how to convey to her my desire that she watch this speech, please help.

I was... five? when Nixon was impeached, and my parents made me come inside to watch his resignation and all I remember is resentment.

Don't force her, is my advice.
posted by Superplin at 7:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


This makes me feel that this is someone who has been doing what she is doing for decades and has finally got to the position where she gets to take all that experience and add it to the stuff that she has really wanted to do and is just going to bring it.

The shackles are off.
posted by Jalliah at 7:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


So she pretty much just straight up called the vulgar talking yam a fascist. Fuckin' A.
posted by soundguy99 at 7:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Yeah, I like the way she speaks. It's really comforting.

Ditto. I don't mean this as a slight, but she has a real Paul Harvey cadence.

And now you know... the rest of the story.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 7:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


so over this past week I've been trying to debug a thing I've been putting off debugging for a while, and every so often I quietly say "I alone can fix this" to myself when I think I've found the problem.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 7:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [28 favorites]


Just to be fair HRC you didn't write It takes a village Barbara Feinman did but whatevs.
posted by dis_integration at 7:45 PM on July 28, 2016


zachlipton: You know we're going to It Takes a Village here.

Called it. Nice.
posted by wenestvedt at 7:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hillary just deployed an Olympic-class level 'Really?' of sarcasm and if she uses it in the debate Trump will just explode in a puff of orange rage.

Like a stomped-on cheeto.
posted by mollywas at 7:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


fart-ins have a radical history.
posted by chapps at 7:46 PM on July 28, 2016


Oh right, here's the doubling down on policing shout-out. In case any viewers forgot they were still watching the convention of a major US political party.
posted by threeants at 7:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I wish this was over because I can't wait to see the DNC bump numbers.
posted by Room 641-A at 7:46 PM on July 28, 2016


"America needs every one of us to lend our energy, our talents and our ambition to make our country better."
posted by winna at 7:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm in EST so my kid is in bed but before bed I had the convention on and he asked what it was and I was forced to try to explain to a 4-year-old what a political party is.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Your two year old isn't going to remember this speech. Let her play, then remind her later that she was there for this speech. You know, like when she's running for her first political position.

I took a picture of her on her tablet.
posted by palindromic at 7:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


Sikh guy is the best guy.
posted by drezdn at 7:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Did they even mention the founding fathers at the RNC? We're stealing all their dank memes.
posted by skewed at 7:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


You Can't Tip a Buick: so over this past week I've been trying to debug a thing I've been putting off debugging for a while, and every so often I quietly say "I alone can fix this" to myself when I think I've found the problem.

Does that make you a Trumpgrammer?
posted by Superplin at 7:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Let's hope he crumbles like a cheeto

I'm still thinking he's a radioactive roach and those buggers can withstand a lot
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Are you kiddin'...the next hundred days of Trump roasting are gonna be epic!

Yeah, but I don't like my schadenfreude mixed with terrified stomach cramps.
posted by infinitywaltz at 7:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [23 favorites]


So apparently the B n B-ers are up to all sorts of shenanigans, and it's completely not coming through on my feed at all. I'm watching the official DNC feed, though: I don't know if the networks are showing stuff. (Apparently the California delegation has an enormous banner that says "Wikileaks." Are you talking about doxxing the women of Turkey, California delegation, or something else?) Anyway, so far, she looks great.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 7:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Berners with their backs turned in the audience shots.
posted by Torosaurus at 7:47 PM on July 28, 2016




I like that she acknowledges the unambitious. This is not a joke, btw.

I love that so many speakers mentioned their origins and their parents' jobs, and not like, "they started out low and look how far I've advanced from them;" it was almost all "my parents were good Americans and that's how I came to be here." Sometimes it was "my parents were not Americans but they wanted their children to be."

The whole convention has been really good at saying there is no shame in being an auto mechanic, a preschool teacher, a farm hand, a bar-and-weddings singer... "good Americans" aren't limited to those who have college educations or six-figure jobs.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 7:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [33 favorites]


Oh thank god. She accepted. I was worried she might say she was busy.
posted by zachlipton at 7:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [66 favorites]


This is super shallow of me but I also like how she looks. She looks great.
posted by Bella Donna at 7:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


WOOOOOOOOO! A WOMAN JUST ACCEPTED THE NOMINATION FOR PRESIDENT!!

I mean, I knew it was coming but still it feels great. :D
posted by k8bot at 7:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [27 favorites]


THAT...JUST...HAPPENED.
posted by uosuaq at 7:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Terry McAuliffe's been drinking, for sure
posted by wallabear at 7:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Katy Perry approves!
posted by dirigibleman at 7:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh she looked so happy saying she accepted the nom!!
posted by aka burlap at 7:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Hillary just deployed an Olympic-class level 'Really?' of sarcasm and if she uses it in the debate Trump will just explode in a puff of orange rage.

via Amy Poehler and the circle of Knope is complete.
posted by holgate at 7:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


Cspan's stream must be getting slammed because this picture is turrible
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:48 PM on July 28, 2016


So that's why Bernie was looking so down
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


oooh she said the thing!!
posted by Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam at 7:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


My husband and I can't remember whether we read about the baked bean picnic tactic (Alinsky or Zinn?) But it was used in a desegregation protest in an opera house where blacks were refused main floor seating. . . so anti-segregation organizers held a picnic and ate beans, and then went to the show.
posted by chapps at 7:48 PM on July 28, 2016


Hey girl heeeeyyyyy
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:48 PM on July 28, 2016


Tim Kaine claps adorably

Good thing he'll only be Veep: no one that square would fit in the oval office.
posted by wenestvedt at 7:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


Nomination accepted. Now please please please please please please please let her be elected.
posted by figurant at 7:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


She seems totally unfazed.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 7:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh thank god. She accepted. I was worried she might say she was busy.

We'd have to chase her all over the place like Bill did so we could tell the story forty years later!
posted by winna at 7:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]




A group has been kicked out so far.

Those white Bernie bros are at it again! (spoiler alert: the video depicts a mixed-gender group of protesters that appears to be primarily people of color)
posted by threeants at 7:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


I remember the cookies episode and am thrilled to be able to vote for a woman for U.S. president but it's a shame Hillary is kind of still a terrible public speaker. There's no rhythm, no naturalness to her rhetorical flourishes...I really hope she keeps this short now that she's accepted the nom. But I know better.
posted by mediareport at 7:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Some people just don't know what to make of me."
posted by winna at 7:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


ohhhhhhh she's throwing it downnnn

so much delicious shade
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I was forced to try to explain to a 4-year-old what a political party is.

Well, I got ice cream, so, y'know, not all that different . . . . . .
posted by soundguy99 at 7:49 PM on July 28, 2016


It's real. It's really happening. I just... Wow
posted by Mchelly at 7:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


For the first time I'm hopeful and I'm looking forward to her inauguration!

Hope I didn't jinx it...
posted by phliar at 7:50 PM on July 28, 2016


Tomorrow's cycle: throat-clearing-gate

The Busters' big plan! They swiped her water bottle from the podium!
posted by downtohisturtles at 7:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


IIRC Joe in Australia, the province of Iudaea didn't include Galilee until after the death of Agrippa the second in 44CE which was at least 8 years after the cruxification. So technically not a Palestinian or Judean, but a Galileean as Jesus of Nazareth.
posted by humanfont at 7:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


According to wife, white is the color of suffragettes. Cool.
posted by stet at 7:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [52 favorites]


MSNBC has shown signs that say "No More Wars" and "Wikileaks".
posted by zarq at 7:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I love that so many speakers mentioned their origins and their parents' jobs, and not like, "they started out low and look how far I've advanced from them;" it was almost all "my parents were good Americans and that's how I came to be here." Sometimes it was "my parents were not Americans but they wanted their children to be."

The whole convention has been really good at saying there is no shame in being an auto mechanic, a preschool teacher, a farm hand, a bar-and-weddings singer... "good Americans" aren't limited to those who have college educations or six-figure jobs.


So quoting this just so it gets repeated.
posted by rp at 7:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


How lucky we are to be alive right now. History is happening!
posted by Joey Michaels at 7:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


Her mother's first grade teacher was a saint. All teachers who do that for their students are.
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


I don't think she's a terrible speaker. I think, as said upthread, she's her own kind of speaker and it's working really well for me. Just hope it's working for folks who are less likely to vote for her.
posted by Bella Donna at 7:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


This is happening. This is real. A presidential candidate is talking about politics as a machine for doing good. This is why I believe in the political process.
posted by kalimac at 7:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [36 favorites]


whoa what was that about her mother being on her own at 14?
posted by maggiemaggie at 7:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


threeants, thanks for reminding us that anyone can be an asshole, not just white people.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 7:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


This is the "can I tell you what I'm proudest of?" bit.
posted by zachlipton at 7:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


No flag pin?!?
posted by carmicha at 7:52 PM on July 28, 2016


From Talez's twitter link

This is what Bernie Bros will tell their kids
posted by Tarumba at 7:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


Can someone please check the temperature in Hell? Because I think Megyn Kelly might be turning Democrat.
posted by Talez at 7:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


Shout out to the buster with the hand made WIKILEAKS sign who just completely reformed campaign finance law.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


This is super shallow of me but I also like how she looks. She looks great.

I think she isn’t wearing a bulletproof vest tonight. Sadly, she probably doesn’t have that luxury in most of her public appearances.
posted by mbrubeck at 7:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Democrats are starting to make this election not Clinton vs. Trump but America vs. Trump.

Brilliant strategy.

"Every kid with a disability deserves to go to school."
posted by joedan at 7:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


I don't think she's a terrible speaker. I think, as said upthread, she's her own kind of speaker and it's working really well for me. Just hope it's working for folks who are less likely to vote for her.

If nothing else she's a hell of a lot more focused that Bill.
posted by downtohisturtles at 7:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hey folks, here's where you can can sign up to work to make her president: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/forms/email-join/
posted by Sublimity at 7:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


AWW THAT GIRL
posted by showbiz_liz at 7:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I sweat the details of policy."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Loudly mention all the places!
posted by ckape at 7:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


She's going to be a great president.
posted by persona au gratin at 7:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


No flag pin?!?
Flag pins can't go away quickly enough.
posted by clorox at 7:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [28 favorites]


LOOK AT THAT CUTIE PIE

OMG
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:53 PM on July 28, 2016


Anastasia for President 2024?
posted by Yowser at 7:53 PM on July 28, 2016


Step by step, year by year, door by door. ... It's not just a detail if it's your kid. Preach, sister!
posted by Bella Donna at 7:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


The way to my political heart is through wonk-y policy references. Love it!
posted by dry white toast at 7:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]




"It's not just a detail if it's your kid or your family. It's a big deal."
posted by k8bot at 7:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Jesus, a brown-skinned Palestinian Jew

Not chronologically accurate, it was Judaea until around 135 CE. /grumbles


Some of it was, but I think you'll find the fellow in question is said to be from Nazareth, in Galilee.
posted by Sys Rq at 7:54 PM on July 28, 2016


"It's true I sweat the details of policy, whether we're talking about the exact level of lead in the drinking water in Flint, Michigan, the number of mental health facilities in Iowa, or the cost of your prescription drugs.

Because it's not just a detail if it's your kid, if it's your family.

It's a big deal and it should be a big deal to your president."

YES THANK YOU POLICY NERD TAKE IT HOME
posted by winna at 7:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [104 favorites]


M. Kelly has long voted for whoever. Many Fox News folks are Democrats in private. It's a job.
posted by hleehowon at 7:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Clinton: "It's true, I sweat the details of policy..."

GOOD.
posted by metaquarry at 7:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


How lucky we are to be alive right now. History is happening!

It was only a matter of time (and centuries worth of struggle and hard work).
posted by zachlipton at 7:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


she's loosening up as she gets into it - much smoother delivery
posted by modernnomad at 7:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


There's definitely a register where she's so much more comfortable -- it's partly the accent, and how the vowels adapt to amplitude -- and she's hit it now.
posted by holgate at 7:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Re: Megyn Kelly turning Democrat: Does anyone else remember Condi Rice's reaction when Obama was elected?
posted by Sublimity at 7:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


She's going to be a great president.

Yup. We just need to get her there.
posted by drezdn at 7:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Using trump's "I alone" against him by saying no one can do it alone is great, turning it into "no one should have to go it alone" is brilliant. It's straight out of 1996 when Bill took dole's execrable "bridge to the past" slogan and saying that he was going to make a bridge to the future. Rhetorical headshot.
posted by skewed at 7:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [52 favorites]


My mom is sobbing, she says she hopes all her special-day students are watching. I have to try to get a clip of that wonderful girl smiling and everyone cheering her on to send to them.
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


"I sweat the details" POW! Hell Yeah.
posted by soundguy99 at 7:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Actually, I LOVE SO MUCH that Hillary gives no fucks about the bullshit flag-pin tradition. It's so awesome that she's shown up all, I don't need a fucking flag pin to show that's I'm a patriot, mofos, I've done the work.
posted by Bella Donna at 7:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [27 favorites]


When she skips the platitudes and gets specific and emotional she is very very effective. She's not a good shouter.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


White, violet and green are the colours of suffragettes, I thought.
posted by chapps at 7:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


roomthreeseventeen: ""I sweat the details of policy.""

I love that she's running for wonk-in-chief.
posted by octothorpe at 7:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [28 favorites]


She's bringing us through all the people we have seen over the past four days, linking their stories together as the narrative on why she is here and why she should be President.
posted by winna at 7:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


I think Megyn Kelly might be turning Democrat.

She's played that game before.
posted by GameDesignerBen at 7:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


This woman is not fucking about.
posted by Mooski at 7:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [25 favorites]


When she said "It's true, I sweat the policy details" I was all like OK YOU ARE HIRED
posted by donatella at 7:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [42 favorites]


threeants, thanks for reminding us that anyone can be an asshole, not just white people.

The rapid coalescing of Democrat sentiment, during this convention, around the idea that no dissent is appropriate any longer is chilling. If you're directly calling women of color "assholes" for protesting when they don't feel their voices are being heard, you need to check your privilege.
posted by threeants at 7:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


I think she comes across much better when she's pissed. The benghazi hearings were a prime example of that.

There was a moment or 2 of that just now. Fucking awesome.

I cannot wait for the debates. That will be a good showcase for her.
posted by Lord_Pall at 7:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


Many Fox News folks are Democrats in private. It's a job.

Fuck that. It's their choice, they know exactly what they're doing, and they're all culpable for it regardless of which lever they pull behind the curtain. Her one vote can never erase the stain of the millions of others she's influenced.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Wow, great delivery. She is a LOT better at this than she was 8 years ago.
posted by joedan at 7:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


OMG Connie Britton!
posted by suelac at 7:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Teary Bill Clinton is giving me the feels for some reason.
posted by adamp88 at 7:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Bill is still glowing and I think we could power a city off the beaming pride in his face.
posted by winna at 7:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Admittedly I didn't catch his entire speech, but I don't seem to remember Trump talking about fighting for public education for kids with disabilities.
posted by vverse23 at 7:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


"When any barrier falls in America, it clears the way for everyone."
posted by drezdn at 7:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [51 favorites]


When any barrier falls in America, it clears the way for every one.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


By the way, Hillary totally stole that leaving-notes-for-every-day-she-was-gone thing from me. She did not patent that.
posted by Bella Donna at 7:58 PM on July 28, 2016


I wouldn't mind if a Bernie supporter rushed the stage, as long as they were bringing her a glass of water.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


"I'm happy for boys and men, too because when any barrier falls in America for anyone it clears the way for everyone."
posted by winna at 7:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


Love so much that she said she's not here just for Democrats. That's a point that's often missed by candidates from both (all) parties - that the president is supposed to be making the best decisions for everyone, not just their own constituents.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 7:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [25 favorites]


When there are no ceilings the sky is the limit!!
#tears
posted by ramix at 7:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


yay for "men benefit too when women advance" (aka, feminism is not just for women)
posted by thefoxgod at 7:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


I wasn't going to watch. Now I'm glad I did. Very effective and emotional.
posted by gemmy at 7:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think it's a well-written speech. I don't know why she always sounds like a beginner trying to play the trumpet.
posted by argybarg at 7:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


When any barrier falls in America, it clears the way for every one.

I wish I could favorite this a hundred times.
posted by k8bot at 7:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


That white dress makes her pop out on the giant view screen.
posted by mrzarquon at 7:58 PM on July 28, 2016


HRC: "Happy for boys and men, because when any barrier falls in America for anyone, it clears the way for everyone. When there are no ceilings, the sky's the limit."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 7:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


"For all of those who vote for me, and for those who don't. For all Americans together."
Amen.
posted by Superplin at 7:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


Re: Chelsea: I was really hoping for a "and she knows black lives matter" at the end of the list of all those "she knows."

Did any other primetime speaker aside from William Barber say the words "black lives matter" this week?
posted by mediareport at 7:59 PM on July 28, 2016


Is it wrong that I want them to sign off with Kanye's Stronger?
posted by JakeEXTREME at 7:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Basically she just said that Obama and Biden don't get enough credit for all the credit they gave us...
posted by TwoStride at 7:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


Great shoutout to Obama. She's nailing this.
posted by joedan at 7:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I totally agree about breaking free of the tyranny of the flag pin... but it's an interesting optic that she chose to ignore.
posted by carmicha at 7:59 PM on July 28, 2016


"none of us can be satisfied"
posted by mrzarquon at 7:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


OMG, "It's not working the way it should." WTF, politicians don't say that. Except for Bernie. Good for her.
posted by Bella Donna at 8:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Shallow time but her eyebrow game is on point as she talks about the fact the economic recovery has not been evenly distributed.
posted by winna at 8:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


threeants, I'd recognise that dogwhistle language anywhere. Those Bernie Bro women of colour are, as you would say, not your shield.
posted by Yowser at 8:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


The rapid coalescing of Democrat sentiment, during this convention, around the idea that no dissent is appropriate any longer is chilling. If you're directly calling women of color "assholes" for protesting when they don't feel their voices are being heard, you need to check your privilege.

It's chilling and the first amendment gives people the right to be an asshole but at some point people need to have some fucking respect. Every person is one of three hundred million people. We're trying to get something done. At some point shitting in the punch bowl just because things aren't 100% perfect is fucking rude.
posted by Talez at 8:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [69 favorites]


mediareport: Joaquin Castro: "We can back our brave men and women in blue and still believe that Black Lives Matter. "
posted by malphigian at 8:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I totally agree about breaking free of the tyranny of the flag pin... but it's an interesting optic that she chose to ignore.

She is up there in front of a giant digital flag so you know...

Also she just almost said "pant closures" which made me giggle.
posted by dis_integration at 8:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"none of us can be satisfied"

Satisfiiiiiied
posted by Torosaurus at 8:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


If you're directly calling women of color "assholes" for protesting when they don't feel their voices are being heard, you need to check your privilege.

protest is one thing - and it's valid. shouting over the acceptance speech of the person who very well may be the first female president ever is an "asshole" move, regardless of your gender or colour. you don't get a pass just b/c you're not a frat bro.
posted by modernnomad at 8:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [53 favorites]


Our economy isn't working the way it should because our democracy isn't working the way it should. Nailed it.
posted by Bella Donna at 8:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [33 favorites]


"Our democracy isn't working the way it should"

Holy
Fucking
Shit
posted by mrzarquon at 8:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [36 favorites]


"Our democracy isn't working the way it should." Boom.
posted by holgate at 8:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Good points about anger and status quo.

Great point about campaign finance!

Twitter: PLEDGE TO BURN ALL BANKERS OR ILL MAKE ANOTHER SIGN
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


So Trump can grump about how she didn't wear a flag pin which means she is not a Real American and the rest of us can just roll our eyes at his feeble trolling powers. And by the way, does he wear a pin? I've never noticed.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:02 PM on July 28, 2016


That white dress makes her pop out on the giant view screen.
Ahem, that's a pants suit, thank you very much.
posted by une_heure_pleine at 8:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


"Money out of politics?" Really?
posted by ZenMasterThis at 8:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


"I believe that our economy isn't working the way it should because our democracy isn't working the way it should."

as a segue into passing a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United.
posted by winna at 8:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


Hollowed out by pant closures. Hope that wasn't a dig at the Explainer-in-Chief.
posted by Devonian at 8:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"overturn Citizens United"
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Constitutional amendment? eyebrow raise
posted by mhum at 8:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fierce
posted by zakur at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016


SCIENCE!
posted by octothorpe at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


Science!
posted by Hairy Lobster at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I BELIEVE IN SCIENCE!
posted by Sublimity at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [27 favorites]


SCIENCE!
posted by wallabear at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Science epic bacon win
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


She's talking the talk, I will give her that.
posted by entropicamericana at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I BELIEVE IN SCIENCE"
posted by winna at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Scienceee
posted by Tarumba at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I believe in SCIENCE!"
posted by zakur at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


The rapid coalescing of Democrat sentiment, during this convention, around the idea that no dissent is appropriate any longer is chilling. If you're directly calling women of color "assholes" for protesting when they don't feel their voices are being heard, you need to check your privilege.

People are allowed to dissent, and other people are allowed to think they are assholes. That's how freedom of expression works.
posted by tavella at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [23 favorites]


I believe in SCIENCE!
posted by rtha at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I BELIEVE IN SCIENCE!
posted by suelac at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


VOTE HILLARY FOR SCIENCE
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


SCIENCE
posted by biogeo at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Science!
posted by rabbitrabbit at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Theres the laugh.
posted by ethansr at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I believe in SCIENCE!"
posted by hollygoheavy at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I believe in science"
posted by mrzarquon at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I BELIEVE IN SCIENCE
posted by palindromic at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wow. Constitutional AMENDMENT to overturn Citizens United. You go. You FUCKING GO.
posted by Mooski at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


"I believe in science." followed by the chuckle needing to say that deserves.
posted by drezdn at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [22 favorites]


"I believe in SCIENCE!"
posted by lovecrafty at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I believe in science! *laugh*"
posted by egregious theorem at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I believe in SCIENCE! :D
posted by jason_steakums at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


The cameraperson is clearly giggling on my feed.
posted by winna at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I believe in science" That could be some Jill shade as well as Trump shade.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Love the giggle following "I believe in science!"
posted by carmicha at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


And she believes in science, too? OMG, she sounds like a progressive wet dream. Damn, I am going to land so hard after I wake up.
posted by Bella Donna at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


FUCK YEAH I BELIEVE IN SCIENCE

Huge shout outs from me and my husband who are both scientists!!!! :D
posted by k8bot at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


SCIENCE!
posted by phliar at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I believe in science!"
posted by bendy at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I believe in science!"

Terrifying that this is even up for debate.
posted by joedan at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


SCIENCE!
posted by source.decay at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"And. I believe in science!" Then giggles.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I BELIEVE IN SCIENCE1 Whoot. She has my vote. I was hanging back but she wooed me.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


i wonder if the no-water thing is an optics tactic.... something about being afraid what GOP would make of her having to keep drinking (in what is surely an absurdly over-air-conditioned arena--it's 90-some degrees out in PA this week...) and how that's weak or somesuch bullshit...
posted by FlyingMonkey at 8:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


That direct causal connection from weakening democracy to a struggling economy is... something that wouldn't have been said in a convention speech even four years ago. Hmm.
posted by tivalasvegas at 8:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


I feel really good about Hillary as our almost president. I can tell she really cares. She's going to do a great job.
posted by triggerfinger at 8:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Political protest at a political convention? Well, I never! *monocle flies across the room and explodes, killing dozens*
posted by DaDaDaDave at 8:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


"And I believe in science!"

And the fact that she even had to say that is mind-boggling.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Who was that giggling on the live feed?!
posted by Flashman at 8:04 PM on July 28, 2016


YEAH MRS. WHITE. YEAH SCIENCE.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


"I believe in science!" [giggle]

Because of COURSE you do. What kind of an orange freak wouldn't?
posted by litlnemo at 8:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


20-way science jinx.
posted by paper chromatographologist at 8:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


"I believe in science" FUCK YEAH!!! :DDD

This shouldn't be a revolutionary statement but IT IS.
posted by the thought-fox at 8:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think she might be down with the scientific method, as it were.
posted by strange chain at 8:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Torosaurus: "none of us can be satisfied" Satisfiiiiiied

I remember that night I just might
I remember that night I just might
I remember that night I just might remember that night for the rest of my days.
posted by Superplin at 8:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


Metafilter: "I believe in science!"
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 8:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [21 favorites]


DNC Narrative: "We have a great nation, founded on a diverse multitude of people, who fought through both hardship and discrimination to bring us here today. We have terrific resources and awesome people - but we have problems. We need to work together to find the solutions that work best for all of us."

This is so much stronger than Trump's, "there are evil terrorists around every corner, but plz elect me and I will beat them up for you."
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 8:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


This has been a terrible, terrible summer for so many of us, from the global to the personal levels. I thought that we might never see the end of it. This moment is the first time I have had the slightest bit of hope in months. I'm With Her!
posted by thebrokedown at 8:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


I went to a Hillary acceptance speech and a Bernie stump speech broke out.
posted by dw at 8:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


She shouldn't have to say she believes in science, but there ya go.
posted by vverse23 at 8:04 PM on July 28, 2016


This is at least a triple!
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


That little giggle after the science line... I hope it haunts the dreams of moderate republicans.
posted by Panjandrum at 8:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


So what I'm getting from this liveblog is that people on Metafilter like science.
posted by dinty_moore at 8:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [33 favorites]


I like how she's laying out this as a choice of beliefs. It's not a cult of personality. She will represent the beliefs we all share. This is great.
posted by k8bot at 8:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


The number of mental health facilities in Iowa really is insufficient and I am kind of blown away that she mentioned it! Did you guys get the same line or was it customized algorithmically by household?
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 8:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [39 favorites]


I also believe in science!
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 8:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


oh shit that science giggle! this geoscientist says THANX
posted by Vic Morrow's Personal Vietnam at 8:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


“I believe climate change is real…” with a look on her face like, I can’t believe this is even a thing anyone has to say…
posted by mbrubeck at 8:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


I HAVE NEVER BEEN PANDERED TO SO EFFECTIVELY BEFORE!!
posted by source.decay at 8:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [84 favorites]


Oh yeah, she's bringin' it home now.
posted by lovecrafty at 8:05 PM on July 28, 2016


REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH!
posted by suelac at 8:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


kanata: I never realized how striking it is to see a woman fired up on tv. It was making me uncomfortable at first til I realized Oh! She doesn't give a fuck and I'm so used to hearing women's anger couched in polite language. Lord knows I do it enough myself. I want Hillary to be my Avenging Angel!

QFT
posted by Superplin at 8:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Expand Social Security!
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:05 PM on July 28, 2016


I LOVE THIS "JOIN US" SECTION <3
posted by ashirys at 8:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Yes, Madam President. Yes.
posted by rewil at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


So what I'm getting from this liveblog is that people on Metafilter like science.

Also people seem pretty out of sync so we get cascades of SCIENCE. Waves, something you can study with SCIENCE.
posted by dis_integration at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


I remember that night I just might
I remember that night I just might
I remember that night I just might remember that night for the rest of my days.


aw, thanks, that was pretty much the only song that didn't make me cry until now
posted by kalimac at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Gah, I hate the phrase "I believe in science." SCIENCE IS TRUE WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT. She's not the only person who's said it at the DNC. But maybe find a different line?
posted by dry white toast at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


hey connie britton hey connie britton's hair i love you
posted by palomar at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Why do so many people in the audience look sullen and/or angry?
posted by bendy at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016


This is like utopia level dreaming!

I'm so hopeful.
posted by Tarumba at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


And I do mean odd
posted by Torosaurus at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


And i do mean odd. Sick burn.
posted by dis_integration at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


ODD SQUAD CALL OUT?
posted by robocop is bleeding at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Tammy Taylor is there!
posted by Flashman at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Burrrrrrn!
posted by Hairy Lobster at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016


I have never cackled so hard before
posted by mollywas at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Damn. "I do mean odd". Sick burn, HRC.
posted by k8bot at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


"...and I do mean odd."

Love it.
posted by egregious theorem at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


THE DADDEST OF JOKES
posted by showbiz_liz at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


notify the burn unit
posted by iamabot at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


"He spoke for 70-odd minutes, and I do mean odd..."
posted by jason_steakums at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [27 favorites]


I DO MEAN ODD
posted by The Nutmeg of Consolation at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016


"He spoke for 70 odd minutes - and I do mean odd."

Buuuurn.
posted by adamp88 at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016


damn it, ran out of favourites before the 'i believe in science [chuckle]'...
posted by FlyingMonkey at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"He spoke for 70-odd minutes and I do mean odd."
posted by joedan at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


LOL and clapping at "He spoke for seventy-odd minutes, and I do mean odd."
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016


70 odd minutes, and i do mean odd
posted by mrzarquon at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016


"Trump spoke for 70-odd minutes, and I do mean odd...."
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


"And I do mean odd"

SICK BURN
posted by zakur at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"You didn't hear any of this from Donald Trump at his convention did you? He spoke for seventy-odd minutes - and I do mean odd."

LOL
posted by winna at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


"And i do mean odd"
posted by EatTheWeek at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016


"...seventy-odd minutes, AND I DO MEAN ODD"

I love this woman.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


AND I DO MEAN ODD

SCREAMING AT MY LAPTOP

WHAT IS HAPPENING TO ME
posted by scrump at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Odd, indeed.
posted by mollweide at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016


"...and I do mean odd..."
I LOL'd
posted by notsnot at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016


So this isn't a Hamilton reference, but are there people chanting "V-8 V-8 V-8?"
posted by stet at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016


Hillary burns, when they land, are the best burns
posted by donatella at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


"He spoke for seventy-odd minutes, and I do mean odd"

Snort!
posted by Liesl at 8:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I love that she's owning being a wonk here.
posted by zachlipton at 8:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]




INFRASTRUCTURE!
posted by suelac at 8:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


dw: I went to a Hillary acceptance speech and a Bernie stump speech broke out.

This is what people have been saying when they point out the two are more similar than they are different.
posted by Superplin at 8:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


I hurt my hands clapping after that "odd minutes" comment.
posted by octothorpe at 8:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"protect a woman's right to make her own health care decisions"

Wow.
posted by Margalo Epps at 8:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


I think she's offering a New Deal.

Holy heck.
posted by Jalliah at 8:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [61 favorites]


Bernie Sanders and I
posted by maggiemaggie at 8:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


SCIENCE IS TRUE WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

Yes, but if politicians don't believe it is true that really matters when it comes to policy on things like global warming.

Its true anyway, but it matters if people believe it is true.
posted by thefoxgod at 8:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


"(Trump) doesn't like talking about his plans. You might have noticed - I love talking about mine."

As an overly enthusiastic plan-talker I empathize, so so deeply
posted by winna at 8:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [45 favorites]


She's clearly pandering, a.k.a. specifying good things she wants to do
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 8:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


Oh fuck, going after existing student debt!
posted by jason_steakums at 8:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


I wish she said

BUT GODDAMMIT YOU NEED TO ELECT A DECENT CONGRESS
posted by Tarumba at 8:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


SCIENCE IS ODD!!!

Shit, wait, I got behind somewhere, didn't I?
posted by soundguy99 at 8:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


YES THANK YOU oh my god the existing student debts thank youuuu
posted by showbiz_liz at 8:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


"College is crucial but a four year degree should not be the only path to a good job."

AMEN.
posted by egregious theorem at 8:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [42 favorites]


"It's just not right that Donald Trump can ignore his debts, but students and families can't refinance their debts"
posted by zachlipton at 8:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [53 favorites]


College is not the only path to success
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


"A college degree should not be the only path to a good job."
posted by winna at 8:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


OOOOHHHHHHH student refinancing versus plutocrats bankruptcy

That's gonna leave a mark.
posted by wenestvedt at 8:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Yay free college! Yay student debt refinancing!
posted by joedan at 8:08 PM on July 28, 2016


That grin when she said "and I do mean odd"! So adorable!
posted by ashirys at 8:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Way too many dreams die in the parking lots of banks."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [27 favorites]


Parking lots of banks.
posted by stet at 8:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"A four-year degree should not be the only path to a good job."

OMG as a college professor she is pandering to me so fucking effectively.
posted by Superplin at 8:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


"Way too many dreams die in the parking lots of banks."
posted by jason_steakums at 8:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Sorry, "have some fucking respect" as a damper for dissent is straight-up baby fascism.

lol whut
posted by scaryblackdeath at 8:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


OMG making a living without a college degree what is this crazy talk. I want to vote NOW
posted by Tarumba at 8:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


DEAL ME IN is uhhh

not *so* catchy?
posted by majuju at 8:09 PM on July 28, 2016


deal me in
posted by mrzarquon at 8:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


She just kicked the 4 year degree in the nuts.

And I cheered.
posted by Mooski at 8:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


"We will give small businesses like my Dad's a boost."

NEPOTISM!
posted by ckape at 8:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Way too many dreams die in the parking lots of banks."

That's going to a line that may not resonate with many, but damn is it going to be a giant clarion for those it does resonate with.
posted by Panjandrum at 8:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [45 favorites]


She's saying all the right words
posted by vverse23 at 8:09 PM on July 28, 2016


I think my partner plotzed when I hollered 'DEAL ME IN'
posted by palindromic at 8:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


trump is odd
i can't even
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 8:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


There's a bunch of chanting all at different rhythms so it's like an ocean of sound.
posted by winna at 8:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Sorry, "have some fucking respect" as a damper for dissent is straight-up baby fascism.

Did you only just tune in? Just about every fucking group in the tent got their five minutes this convention.

If we let every protestor come up to the mic during the speech we'd be sitting here for days waiting for everyone to say the same shit over and over. I'm sorry. At some point the people we want to lead have to be given a chance to LEAD instead of willingly turning every speech into a fucking filibuster for Bernie getting the nom.
posted by Talez at 8:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [51 favorites]


How do I get woman cards to play?
posted by Margalo Epps at 8:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Life/economy/America: one big card game???
posted by majuju at 8:10 PM on July 28, 2016


Did she just give Bernie a cabinet position?
posted by BigBrooklyn at 8:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think she might have gotten the populist message a bit. That's a victory for Sanders. She's talking about the 1%! Let's make it real.
posted by dis_integration at 8:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


So... odds on the protesters fucking up whatever end of show thing the Magic Voice talked about?
posted by robocop is bleeding at 8:10 PM on July 28, 2016


Wow. Constitutional AMENDMENT to overturn Citizens United.

Could happen.
posted by ZenMasterThis at 8:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


YEAH HILLARY GET THAT MONEY
posted by donatella at 8:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


ohhhhh danger, danger will robinson

the 1% is gonna be circling their wagons even tighter now at that
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:10 PM on July 28, 2016


Ah, the here's how we pay for it part.

"We'll forgive your college loans -- don't worry, we'll get Wall Street to pay for it!"
posted by tivalasvegas at 8:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I've never been particularly drawn to Hillary's oratory skills, but she is straight killing it. I've found myself applauding several times, by myself in my living room. I haven't done that to any of the speeches this week.
posted by adamp88 at 8:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [31 favorites]


"We are going to follow the money" is that a double entendre about Trump's Russia connection?
posted by Yowser at 8:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


The bank parking lot line kind of broke my heart
posted by Tarumba at 8:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


I think another heckler just got thrown out.
posted by joedan at 8:11 PM on July 28, 2016


Oh my god, that finger steeple. Going in for the kill.
posted by C'est la D.C. at 8:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


She's got this. How could she not?
posted by bendy at 8:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


So who here can honestly say they think this is the speech we would have been getting if Bernie hadn't run?
posted by entropicamericana at 8:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [49 favorites]



Yep she's bringing it.
posted by Jalliah at 8:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I imagine some of you at home are thinking, that sounds pretty good, but how are you going to get it done? Well look at my record. [...] If you give me the chance that's what I will do as President."
posted by winna at 8:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"Let's take a closer look, shall we?" is my favorite phrase ever.
posted by The Nutmeg of Consolation at 8:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


I really love that she is laying out specific ideas and emphasizing how she is planning on achieving those ideas.

And returning to "Donald Trump doesn't pay his debts". "He just stiffed them".
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 8:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


SCIENCE IS ODD!!!

Shit, wait, I got behind somewhere, didn't I?


Hillary supports Odd Science! Mutant X-24/Cloned FDR '24!
posted by Panjandrum at 8:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


"DON'T BOO. VOTE."
posted by zarq at 8:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


This is the most liberal, progressive agenda I've seen in my adult life, and I'm 44 years old. This is what having Bernie Sanders in the race did: it drove the entire party to where many of us have been hoping it would go for literally decades. It's a tectonic shift in the modern Democratic Party; it started with Obama, and it's going to reach its fulfillment with Clinton. And people like Bernie and Elizabeth Warren are going to keep her to it.
posted by scrump at 8:11 PM on July 28, 2016 [122 favorites]


"Please Keep Your Promises" sign. Yes. Yes.
posted by litlnemo at 8:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Oh shit, preview of the Trump attacks here. This is going to be constant from here on out
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


DON'T BOO, VOTE
posted by thebrokedown at 8:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


> the 1% is gonna be circling their wagons even tighter now at that

They're not going to trust Trump with the economy. They've already worked with him.
posted by mrzarquon at 8:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Fuckin A, man. I was pretty unhappy with the prospect of the post-Obama era before this convention. Not that I've loved every one of his decisions. But I'm going desperately to miss them. Hopefully they won't stay out of the spotlight too long after it's all over. This has completely turned those feelings around. I've been so thoroughly impressed with the grownups. Telling awesome, beautiful, heartbreaking, and inspiring stories on this stage. This has been so amazingly well-put-together. The amount of forethought, care, and WORK that has gone into this is just mind-blowing.

Still in HRC's speech at the moment, and I gotta say, I feel real good about this. They've got this. She's got this. OH SHIT and she just called out the Supreme Court. Maybe we worried about Barack's chances in 2008, but this? I want right now to say that I'm not gonna worry about it. They've got this. Not to say that we can be complacent, but this is so over-the-top solid that anything else just looks like a fumbling fucking clown show.

My only regret is that my partner and my daughter are on a vacation with the grandparents this week, and we didn't get to watch it together as it happened. But thanks to youtube, we will be able to again, and again, as she grows up. In a country where, at 3, she already talks about President Obama, and now, as she gets to talk about President Clinton, and not the same President Clinton that I talked about, one who shows her that she can be President, too.
posted by rp at 8:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [22 favorites]


How do I get woman cards to play?

Hillary's got you covered.

posted by dinty_moore at 8:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


ENGAGE FULL ATTACK MODE
posted by Hairy Lobster at 8:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


TRUMPBUSTERS
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 8:13 PM on July 28, 2016


BURN
posted by joedan at 8:13 PM on July 28, 2016


the 1% is gonna be circling their wagons even tighter now at that
i'm bettin' she already had a private meeting where she told 'em she was gonna have to throw the plebes a bone - in the speech.
posted by j_curiouser at 8:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


OH MY GOD THAT WAS THE SICKEST BURN OF ALL TIME Y'ALL
posted by palomar at 8:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yes Bernie helped, I hope people don't remember him by what now must be 5 percent of his voters. He is amazing and so committed.
posted by Tarumba at 8:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


Ooooh, burn!
posted by suelac at 8:13 PM on July 28, 2016


Wait, are they chanting Hillary every time a BernieBot tries to meme?
posted by Dalby at 8:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Donald Trump says he wants to make America great again - well he could start by actually MAKING things in America again."
posted by jason_steakums at 8:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [21 favorites]


"Donald Trump says he wants to make America great again. Well, he could start by MAKING things in America again."
posted by Superplin at 8:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


I don't see how any of this--the DNC or the RNC--can make people happy. It is awful.
posted by still bill at 8:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


*raidersfacemeltscene.gif*
posted by dirigibleman at 8:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Mental health facilities in Iowa is huge, but only if you're really paying attention to what's going on in Iowa. It's kind of brilliant. I hope people are watching.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 8:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


The economy section looked almost designed to make it tricky for the Busters to boo at but now we're going into the national security section...
posted by mhum at 8:14 PM on July 28, 2016


Why would you make ties in Colorado? Louisiana makes way more sense.
posted by Flashman at 8:14 PM on July 28, 2016


How do I get woman cards to play?

Cards Against Misogyny?
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


guys I am watching this with my 70-year old mother and it is dusty as hell in here
posted by dogheart at 8:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


This is amazing. Absolutely amazing. She's dragging Trump, reading Bernie's promises, and just twisting the knife like a woman with 25 years of baggage to cast off.

I really hope this means a big-ass convention bounce.
posted by dw at 8:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [47 favorites]


Sorry, "have some fucking respect" as a damper for dissent is straight-up baby fascism.

Baby fascism would be a candidate who can bathe in the chants of the crowd. Clinton is obviously uncomfortable with it, and maybe a bit annoyed that she's being interrupted.
posted by figurant at 8:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I'm proud that we put a lid on Iran's nuclear program without firing a single shot."

Warning: Candidates in mirror not as hawkish as they might appear
posted by Superplin at 8:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [38 favorites]


Mental health facilities anywhere matter to me because I know mentally ill people in Michigan.
posted by palindromic at 8:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


There goes another heckler. That's 3 so far by my count.
posted by joedan at 8:15 PM on July 28, 2016


She is shamelessly pandering to people who don't want an asshole for President.
posted by Cookiebastard at 8:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [64 favorites]


"I'm proud to stand together with our allies in NATO no matter what threat they face - including Russia."
posted by winna at 8:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


The campaign shop has woman cards.

and woman playing cards.
posted by chapps at 8:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


We are in the Hillary Targarian Clinton part of the speech now.
posted by humanfont at 8:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]



"...including Russia"
posted by leotrotsky at 8:15 PM on July 28, 2016




boom
posted by cmfletcher at 8:15 PM on July 28, 2016


She is WORKING IT
posted by mollywas at 8:15 PM on July 28, 2016


Why do so many people in the audience look sullen and/or angry?

Probably tired. I've been sitting here watching at my desk since 5:30 with a few breaks to get up and walk around but while she is firing me up, I'm tired. My butt is numb and my eyes are sore. I can't even imagine how these people in the audience feel-- they haven't had much to do except wave flags around. 5 and a half hours is a long time to commit to watching anything.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


"No, Donald. You don't"
posted by zakur at 8:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Sick! No Donald, you don't.
posted by persona au gratin at 8:15 PM on July 28, 2016


MEGABURN

That look on her face...
posted by Hairy Lobster at 8:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


No Donald, you don't.
posted by adamp88 at 8:16 PM on July 28, 2016


I hadn't considered before that the Bernie or Busters wouldn't be able to coordinate their efforts long enough to keep a chant going. That's helping immeasurably here.
posted by argybarg at 8:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


"No Donald... you don't."
posted by nathan_teske at 8:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Thats some fucking grade a shade
posted by mrzarquon at 8:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


i'm bettin' she already had a private meeting where she told 'em she was gonna have to throw the plebes a bone - in the speech.

So, I have to ask whether you are just naturally this cynical, or is this something you rehearsed just in case you got a chance to say it someday?
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [42 favorites]


No Donald, you don't.
posted by palindromic at 8:16 PM on July 28, 2016


Oh my God, that "Donald, you don't." I just got a case of the vapours.
posted by kalimac at 8:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Russia's really jumped to the head of the league of evil nations in the American imagination over the last few years.
posted by tivalasvegas at 8:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hillary is definitely Olenna Tyrell, everyone must know this
posted by hleehowon at 8:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [24 favorites]


SCIENCE!!
posted by Sophie1 at 8:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


librarina: I KNOW MORE ABOUT ISIS THAN YOU CAN POSSIBLY IMAGINE!
posted by stet at 8:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"No, Donald, you don't."
posted by azpenguin at 8:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Biggest boo of the night for Israel. I'm down with supporting Palestinians but... curious, right?
(Curious Right is the name of Milo's memoir)
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


here's what I think: I think we should transition to a system where the etiquette used at political conventions is like the etiquette used in parliament during question time. Just nonstop "rabble rabble rabble!" from one side of the hall or the other throughout the entire show.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 8:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


"No, Donald. You don't."
posted by litlnemo at 8:16 PM on July 28, 2016


Oh that look of world-weary contempt when she talks about Trump.
posted by winna at 8:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


She's losing the crowd on the foreign policy adventures.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


What does "surge our intelligence" mean, exactly?
posted by waitingtoderail at 8:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I hope "He's a jerk!" guy goes down in history just as the "Woooo!" guy from Nirvana Unplugged - appreciated the first time, loathed the rest.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 8:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Captain Khan is the superhero movie I want.
posted by scrump at 8:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


those shots of Chelsea's husband crying!
posted by acidic at 8:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


The Busters are really scoring own goal after own goal, motivating waves of much louder counter-chants that lift Clinton's words on a crescendo of people calling her name.
posted by Rhaomi at 8:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


There is no way I miss the 2020 DNC, when she will be trying for a second term on the centennial of women's sufrage.
posted by palindromic at 8:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


I hadn't considered before that the Bernie or Busters wouldn't be able to coordinate their efforts long enough to keep a chant going. That's helping immeasurably here.

They've probably had six schisms over which chant to use, just since this afternoon.
posted by Blue Jello Elf at 8:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


given the recent bombing in syria, the talk of more air strikes makes the blood drain from my body
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]




no. no tweets in your speech. :(
posted by dis_integration at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016


Kick his ass Seabass!!
posted by Lord_Pall at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Awwww. Sick. A man you can bait with a tweet
posted by persona au gratin at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


"A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons"
posted by lkc at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [91 favorites]


Jackie O shade. Little men!
posted by zachlipton at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


The burns come with little extra burns.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


Biggest boo of the night for Israel. I'm down with supporting Palestinians but... curious, right?

Nah, anti-semitism has always been a uniting force.
posted by fast ein Maedchen at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


"A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons." Bam.
posted by lovecrafty at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


A man you can bait with a tweet we can't trust with nuclear weapons
posted by mrzarquon at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man you can trust with nuclear weapons.
posted by leotrotsky at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


"You really think Donald Trump has the temperment to be Commander in Chief? He can't even handle the rough and tumble of a presidential campaign. [...] Imagine, if you dare, that man in the Oval Office [...] a man you can bait with a tweet."

DELETE UR ACCOUNT
posted by winna at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [21 favorites]


"A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man you can trust with nuclear weapons" WELP
posted by E. Whitehall at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


This is a really interesting and expansive pitch: it's America vs. Trump, it's a lot of the Sanders economic platform, and it's a national security argument that's already peeled off security-first Republicans.
posted by holgate at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Russia's really jumped to the head of the league of evil nations in the American imagination over the last few years.

It's a nuclear power lead by a regressive strongman who kills his political opponents, recently waged a war of expansion and is now appearing to try and push us into electing a tinpot dictator wannabe. So......duh.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [34 favorites]


That tweet line my GOD
posted by showbiz_liz at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"A man you can bake with a tweet..."

HOLY SHIT. HILLARY FROM THE TOP ROPE
posted by azpenguin at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE
posted by argybarg at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


"A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man you want in control of nuclear weapons!"
posted by suelac at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"...is not a man you can trust with nuclear weapons."

I see where you hit that inflection, Hil.

"...ittle men."

oh shiiiii gurl
posted by entropicamericana at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Holy crap. She just ripped him to shreds over that stupid "I know more about ISIS than the generals do."

"A President should respect the soldiers who serve our country."


And "A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man you can trust with the nuclear weapons codes"
posted by zarq at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh shit, that big men/little men Jackie O quote..
posted by jason_steakums at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


A war might be started by little men, with tiny, tiny hands.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


"little men, the ones moved by fear and pride"....JACKIE KENNEDY BURN
posted by gimonca at 8:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


Oh sick burn. She's enjoying this.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 8:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Gun control!!
posted by devinemissk at 8:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Also when was the last time a candidate took a swing at someone during a debate?
posted by Lord_Pall at 8:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Help. Our YouTube stream died and now Margalo Epps is reading me the published transcript out loud in the voice of GLaDOS from Portal.
posted by mbrubeck at 8:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


"The man you can bait with a tweet is not a man you can trust with the nuclear codes."
posted by Jalliah at 8:19 PM on July 28, 2016


This is like xmas
posted by Hairy Lobster at 8:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


That little smile when she said "Donald Trump can't even handle the rough and tumble of a presidential campaign" is glorious. Clinton is hard as nails, but has always played nice. Trump isn't going to get nice from her.
posted by Panjandrum at 8:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [22 favorites]


"We can't afford to have a president who's in the pocket of the gun lobby."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"The smoking crater that used to be the Trump campaign has so far not returned our calls for comment."
posted by uosuaq at 8:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


Wow. She's actually saying all these things?
posted by lkc at 8:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


"No, Donald, you don't" was delivered as only a grandmother can.
posted by dfan at 8:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


little men moved by fear and pride

ohhhhhhhhhhh
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 8:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I don't want you to be shot by someone who shouldn't have a gun in the first place".

yes yes yes yes yes yes
posted by k8bot at 8:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [40 favorites]


KNOCK IT OUT OF THE FUCKING PARK, HILLARY
posted by wallabear at 8:19 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


but someone who could have a gun? they can totally shoot you
posted by palindromic at 8:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


"I'm not here to take away your guns. [...] I'm here to make sure you're not shot by someone who shouldn't have a gun in the first place."
posted by winna at 8:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


"I don't want you to be shot by someone who shouldn't have a gun in the first place"

Plain speaking.
posted by mrzarquon at 8:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


What does "surge our intelligence" mean, exactly?

Probably outlawing encryption
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


THIS SPEECH IS EVERYTHING
posted by mothershock at 8:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I love that the gloves are officially off with Trump now because I think this is his Kryptonite and man I hope he takes the bait. It's like the WH Coresdpondent's Dinner all over again!

Jesus, 165 204 new comments since I fat-fingered and un-autocorrected this comment!
posted by Room 641-A at 8:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


And more!
posted by downtohisturtles at 8:21 PM on July 28, 2016


Jesus Christ. Going straight at the NRA now. She is owning her leftism and it's just extraordinary to see.
posted by scrump at 8:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Wow. She's actually saying all these things?

Yes.
posted by palindromic at 8:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Systemic racism.
posted by gaspode at 8:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


Oh my god she's gonna destroy him at the debates.
posted by joedan at 8:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


She said "pocket of the gun lobby" the same way that the second Illinois Nazi said "and he's a Cath-o-lic" in The Blues Brothers.
posted by wenestvedt at 8:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


I just spent half an hour tweeting pictures of historical women and sobbing while listening to this speech. Thank you, everyone, for being here with me for this moment.
posted by mynameisluka at 8:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


Help. Our YouTube stream died and now Margolo Epps is reading me the published transcript out loud in the voice of GLaDOS from Portal.
There will be cake.
posted by Margalo Epps at 8:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Wow. She's actually saying all these things?

Yes. It's pretty amazing.
posted by Jalliah at 8:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


SYSTEMIC RACISM.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 8:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


A major presidential candidate finally says "systemic racism"
posted by Senor Cardgage at 8:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [33 favorites]


What does "surge our intelligence" mean, exactly?

Update the State Dept computers from Windows 98 and floppy disks
posted by a fiendish thingy at 8:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [26 favorites]


holy shit systemic racism was mentioned.
posted by Special Agent Dale Cooper at 8:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Calling out systemic racism in the acceptance speech, YES.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Every time she mentions civil rights, people with disabilities are in there! Every damn time.
posted by zachlipton at 8:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [39 favorites]


He'll never debate her. He'll get destroyed.
posted by cmfletcher at 8:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


SPEECH ALL THE THINGS
posted by uosuaq at 8:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


*Has no bra. Takes off shirt.*
posted by Bella Donna at 8:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Reforming criminal justice. Voters rights. Christ almighty.
posted by scrump at 8:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I think some people aren't doing the smile and cheer thing because this is a serious intentional complicated talk.
posted by chapps at 8:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is the Hillary who isn't just toeing the President's or her husband's line. FUCK YES THIS WOMAN IS MY PRESIDENT!
posted by Superplin at 8:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [25 favorites]


VOTING RIGHTS YES
posted by jesourie at 8:22 PM on July 28, 2016


IS bombs and shoots innocent civilians on purpose, nearly everyday all around world in Orlando, Nice, Bagdad, and elsewhere. We can't defeat them without air strikes in support of our allies on the ground.
posted by humanfont at 8:22 PM on July 28, 2016


She is EVISCERATING him right now.
posted by winna at 8:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


"There is no other Donald Trump. This is it."
posted by zakur at 8:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [37 favorites]


Democrats clapping for John McCain at the DNC, we're through the looking glass people.
posted by donatella at 8:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [21 favorites]


I am disappointed that there has been so little mention of support and respect for Native Americans, Muslims, and Asians tonight (and the nights prior, for that matter). :(
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]




<3 <3 <3 <3
Hard to come up with words for all these feelings right now.
posted by j.r at 8:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


HRC: "For the past year, many people made the mistake of laughing off Donald Trump's comments – excusing him as an entertainer just putting on a show.

They think he couldn't possibly mean all the horrible things he says – like when he called women “pigs.” Or said that an American judge couldn't be fair because of his Mexican heritage. Or when he mocks and mimics a reporter with a disability.

Or insults prisoners of war like John McCain –a true hero and patriot who deserves our respect.

At first, I admit, I couldn't believe he meant it either.

It was just too hard to fathom – that someone who wants to lead our nation could say those things. Could be like that.

But here's the sad truth: There is no other Donald Trump...this is it."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [74 favorites]


So she systematically talked about all the ways Donald fundamentally fails to respect his fellow Americans and concludes with:

"There is no other Donald Trump. This is it."
posted by winna at 8:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


"America isn't just great. America is good."
posted by stet at 8:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


America is great because America is good

YES
posted by joedan at 8:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Uh, I was walking to the bus stop so I missed the whole tweet bait part. I guess she's got this.
posted by Room 641-A at 8:24 PM on July 28, 2016


Backlash against the police is likely to hit the first category more, because they're more likely to take calls into "iffy" areas, more likely to assess a situation before they start shooting.

The officers in the worst areas are typically just the least experienced officers as most police unions in major cities let officers with seniority choose their assignments and they quite reasonably choose the safest ones.
posted by srboisvert at 8:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I love that she said she didn't take Trump seriously either at the beginning.

Libertarians love to show that picture of them together from ages ago.
posted by Tarumba at 8:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


“America is great because America is good” is a weak sauce line that irks. But I suspect that that is the one ant wandering into the picnic.
posted by Going To Maine at 8:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]




Damn! This is like that scene from GoT where Danaeris pushes over the oil lamps.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 8:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


She gets knocked down, but she gets up again?
posted by dinty_moore at 8:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


SHE GETS KNOCKED DOWN, AND SHE GETS UP AGAIN!

Play her out, Chumbawamba!
posted by leotrotsky at 8:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Wow. She is killing it.
posted by Special Agent Dale Cooper at 8:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


There is no other Donald Trump...this is it.
posted by devinemissk at 8:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


CHUMBAWUMBA
posted by gatorae at 8:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hercules Mulligan!
posted by mrzarquon at 8:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Omg guys the Hamilton is coming for reals. It's amazing.
posted by zachlipton at 8:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


CHUMBAWUMBA!!!!
posted by stet at 8:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Chumbawamba reference, achieved.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 8:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Last week was awful. So horribly dark and depressing. A deep, lightless hole.

This speech is like seeing the sun shining warmth and light and hope through the clouds onto our faces.
posted by zarq at 8:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [24 favorites]


Good thing I've got a whisky drink.
posted by stet at 8:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [26 favorites]


Oh my God, Hillary Clinton is Steve Rogers with that bully story
posted by kalimac at 8:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm not even watching this right now. My gf needs time to decompress from her programming classes so I'm waiting until she's ready to watch it. But watching everyone react to these lines makes for a great night, so thank you all for being along for this ride.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 8:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


I am disappointed that there has been so little mention of support and respect for Native Americans, Muslims, and Asians tonight (and the nights prior, for that matter). :(

The hell? I counted three shout-outs to Muslim Americans just within the past couple hours.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


"Though "we may not live to see the glory," as the song from the musical Hamilton goes, "let us gladly join the fight""
posted by zachlipton at 8:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [29 favorites]


HAM!!
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016


HAMILTON!!!!!!!
posted by leotrotsky at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"You have to stand up to bullies."

Literally quoting Captain America now.
posted by EatTheWeek at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


Hamilton!
I dead!
posted by ramix at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Well there it is, your glorious hamilton reference. I hope you're happy.
posted by dis_integration at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


OH NO SHE DINT
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016


OH FUCK SHE WENT THERE!!!!!!!!!!
posted by stet at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


The form of American fascism's Destructor is a woman in a white pantsuit
posted by prize bull octorok at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


HAMILTON!!!
posted by Mallenroh at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hamilton!!!!!Hamilton!!!!!Hamilton!!!!!Hamilton!!!!!Hamilton!!!!!Hamilton!!!!!Hamilton!!!!!Hamilton!!!!!Hamilton!!!!!Hamilton!!!!!Hamilton!!!!!
posted by mrzarquon at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Hamilton!!
posted by Floydd at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


If she walks off to Chumbawamba I may lose my mind.
posted by winna at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


:O

:O


:OOOOO
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


HERCULES MULLIGAN. I hope Lin is watching
posted by Torosaurus at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


oh god here go 200 comments of squee
posted by tivalasvegas at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [22 favorites]


There you go, you Hamilton dorks
posted by penduluum at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [36 favorites]


HAMILTON QUOTE
posted by zarq at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I just scared everyone in the room with me i screamed so loud
posted by kalimac at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Please tell me LMM is behind that stage.
posted by zachlipton at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


That's like saying the title of the movie in the movie.
posted by The Nutmeg of Consolation at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


Hamilton quote! w00t!
posted by litlnemo at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I am disappointed that there has been so little mention of support and respect for Native Americans, Muslims, and Asians tonight

Did you see the speeches by Khan and Barber earlier today?
posted by mbrubeck at 8:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Is this Ham4Hill or Hill4Ham?
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Hamilton. Now she's just straight-out pandering to the Metafilter vote.
posted by octothorpe at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [41 favorites]


HILL 4 HAM
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016


shout out to the HAM FANS
posted by maggiemaggie at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016


Going To Maine: It's an Alexis de Tocqueville reference. I heard that quote a *lot* as a child raised by religious conservatives.
posted by JDHarper at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


That was such a dorky mom Hamilton reference. I loved it.
posted by zombieflanders at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


"Yes, the world is watching what we do."

You ain't kidding.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Let's get to work!
posted by persona au gratin at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016


Holy shit, just holy shit. I did NOT see that coming.
posted by wallabear at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016


Yep, she called out Hamilton.

Y'all.
posted by rp at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016


She got the fuck back up again
posted by zachlipton at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Brace yourselves, Hamilton haters following this thread.
posted by TwoStride at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


CARD STUNT INCOMING!
posted by gladly at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Okay, I'm down with Firework.
posted by Annika Cicada at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016


Here come the cards
posted by waitingtoderail at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016


"Thank you and may god bless you and the United States of America."
posted by winna at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fucking Wonder Woman in the house! Lynda Carter!
posted by Sophie1 at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Lin-Manuel Miranda/Bones of Alexander Hamilton '24!
posted by Panjandrum at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I guarantee Chumbawamba did not approve this use of their song. (They're radical anarchists. Even if this is indeed the most progressive Democratic platform ever, they still won't be happy about it.)

I am disappointed that there has been so little mention of support and respect for Native Americans, Muslims, and Asians tonight (and the nights prior, for that matter). :(

Mentioning support and respect for Muslims would have clashed too hard with all the FUCK YEAH BOMB ISIS rhetoric.
posted by tobascodagama at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Firework!
posted by zarq at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


*takes off bra*

*burns bra*
posted by bendy at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Card suspense is killing me...
posted by carrienation at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


wiggle fingers!!!!!!
posted by hleehowon at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016


GET READY FOR CARD STUNT #1
posted by robocop is bleeding at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016


HILL-A-RY!

I'm takin' this horse by the reins, makin' Donald oranger with fierce shade
posted by jason_steakums at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Take a deep breath, Hillary, you just kicked ass out there <3
posted by ashirys at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


She looked just overjoyed (and a little relieved, I think) there at the end.
posted by devinemissk at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


All that and Hamilton too? Holy fucking crap. If I go outside, will it be raining ice cream?
posted by Mchelly at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


WHERE ARE THE BALLOONS
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I ran the stopwatch so Trump wouldn't have to:

60 minutes total speech time
12 minutes spent applauding
20% time spent applauding
posted by peeedro at 8:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


What is this "Hamilton" you speak of?
posted by k8bot at 8:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


That's like saying the title of the movie in the movie.

I thought some Arrested Development gag was gonna happen when Obama said "audacity of hope" last night.
posted by Dalby at 8:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Fireworks really
posted by bq at 8:28 PM on July 28, 2016


So where's the card stunt?
posted by joedan at 8:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bad move, Hillz, you just made half your base die of sheer joy.
posted by Rhaomi at 8:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


GET READY CARD STUNT
posted by EarBucket at 8:28 PM on July 28, 2016


Okay I'm a sucker for Katy Perry in general.
posted by Annika Cicada at 8:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think we might see a bit of a post-convention bounce
posted by Flashman at 8:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


Uncle Tim!
posted by Tarumba at 8:28 PM on July 28, 2016


ITS NOT OK THAT I RAN OUT OF FAVORITES

I FAVORITE YOU ALL
posted by prize bull octorok at 8:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [48 favorites]


It's kinda unnerving how ads, music videos, TV, movies and now political events all look like American Idol these days.
posted by downtohisturtles at 8:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I haven't seen Hamilton. That better not have been a spoiler.
posted by kanewai at 8:28 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


G.E. Smith I like you but you're not Katy Perry.
posted by Annika Cicada at 8:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah Chumbawamba are in fact really political and I can't see them getting on board.

Tim is looking like he just got a new gas grill for Father's Day.
posted by winna at 8:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


Balloons?
posted by zarq at 8:29 PM on July 28, 2016


who could've predicted the card stunt would not go smoothly....
posted by modernnomad at 8:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


There they are, our next President and HER Vice President
posted by thebrokedown at 8:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


If Lin-Manuel Miranda pops out from behind that door on stage, the audience will plotz.
posted by zombieflanders at 8:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Balloons?
posted by JakeEXTREME at 8:29 PM on July 28, 2016


Red White And Blue
posted by mrzarquon at 8:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fucking fireworks!
posted by octothorpe at 8:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Bill is up now giving the BIGGEST HUG.
posted by winna at 8:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


When I heard about the card trick, I just thought, Noooooooo, don't go there, there is no way that will work.
posted by Bella Donna at 8:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Mentioning support and respect for Muslims would have clashed too hard with all the FUCK YEAH BOMB ISIS rhetoric.

What do you mean? 99.999% of Muslims fucking hate ISIS
posted by AFABulous at 8:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [34 favorites]


What do the cards say?
posted by Tarumba at 8:29 PM on July 28, 2016


BALLOONAGEDDON
posted by zakur at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


And it comes to an end...

Haven't watched more than 10 minutes of actual convention, but following corb's adventures, and now this historic convention here, seeing only the quotes, tears streaming down my face, has been a real pleasure.

Let's get this done.
posted by Windopaene at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Balloons!
posted by zarq at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016


DNC Balloons 1, RNC Balloons 0.
posted by nathan_teske at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Go balloons!
posted by zachlipton at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016


FREAKING FIREWORKS WHAT FRESH MADNESS
posted by winna at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


PYRO!!
posted by soundguy99 at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016


Fireworks trumps balloons.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Sweeeet, non-sarcastic balloons!
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


The Balloons Have Come
posted by DynamiteToast at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016


Balloon game is on point. This was on the whole a breath of fresh air.
posted by dis_integration at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Did the card stunt misfire? It's looking kind of patchy out there.
posted by mhum at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016


Mentioning support and respect for Muslims would have clashed too hard with all the FUCK YEAH BOMB ISIS rhetoric.

Or maybe she decided to respect and support Mr. Khan by giving him a huge platform so he could speak for his own damn self?
posted by dersins at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [26 favorites]


AND WE HAVE BALLOONS I REPEAT WE HAVE BALLOONS
posted by zombieflanders at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Collectively, they've been left out of the conversation this week. Collectively, they are left out of many conversations regarding their rights and wellbeing. I am excited by all the inclusive speech and promises of working towards a break down of systemic racism, but I was also hoping for more. Hopefully we'll progress towards that sooner rather than later.
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Gwen Ifill: "She embraced her inner wonk."
posted by k8bot at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh god, the Clintons are playing with the balloons, too cute
posted by ashirys at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Bill looks so pleased at the balloons. Get that man a ball-pit.
posted by Panjandrum at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [30 favorites]


Bill in the 2nd rank is a bit historic.
posted by ethansr at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


It is a balloon blizzard right now y'all.
posted by winna at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016


I guarantee Chumbawamba did not approve this use of their song. (They're radical anarchists. Even if this is indeed the most progressive Democratic platform ever, they still won't be happy about it.)

Yeah, I cannot see the "Dear Mr. Heseltine" Chumbas being into their song being used by Hillary. It's a good song. People joke, but it's really just a slightly more elliptical rewrite of their more overtly radical songs - it's "Timebomb" without actually saying "bomb".
posted by Frowner at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


THAT'S how you do balloons!
posted by joedan at 8:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Brace yourselves, Hamilton haters

Already enbracened, thanks!
posted by tivalasvegas at 8:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Fireworks and balloons, Khaleesi!
posted by missmobtown at 8:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


*Shit ton of balloons *
posted by Tarumba at 8:31 PM on July 28, 2016


What's the card trick? I missed something.
posted by Jalliah at 8:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Either the card stunt was way oversold, or CSPAN's cameras just ignored it.
posted by gladly at 8:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I noted the lack of a bored-looking 10-year-old on the stage. I'm not sure this team really knows what America needs to see after four days of speeches.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 8:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


Bill trying very hard not to play with those balloons.
posted by phphph at 8:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Okay, Hillary and Kaine walking ahead of Bill and Anne Holton is a surprisingly powerful image.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 8:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [33 favorites]


Wow! I expected a good speech, but I did not expect a truly great speech. Well done, Madame President!
posted by homunculus at 8:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [24 favorites]


Balloons!! And "Brave!!"
Awesome party, folks. Peace out.
posted by TrishaU at 8:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


The double-date dynamics in this administration are going to be totally different.
posted by bendy at 8:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


You couldn't even see through the balloon fall in that shot. Take that Trump!
posted by JakeEXTREME at 8:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh god, the balloons are still falling. Bill Clinton will have his ball-pit!
posted by Panjandrum at 8:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Secret Service concerned. Candidate appears to have disappeared beneath tidal wave of balloons.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 8:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [21 favorites]


So we're just fully leaning into the Katy Perry, then...
posted by dry white toast at 8:31 PM on July 28, 2016


It's kinda unnerving how ads, music videos, TV, movies and now political events all look like American Idol these days.

It's just that Democrats make all those things.
posted by palindromic at 8:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Everyone into the Kaines' Aerostar!
We're all going to Fuddruckers!
posted by Senor Cardgage at 8:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [66 favorites]


Tim Kaine is playing soccer on stage with balloons. I repeat, Time Kaine is playing soccer on stage with balloons.
posted by nathan_teske at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [51 favorites]


That dog that bites balloons should get in on this action.
posted by peeedro at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


What were the cards supposed to say?
posted by adamg at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016


MEN: Talk less
HRC: What
MEN: Smile more
HRC: Huh
MEN: Don't let them know what you're against or what you're for
HRC: You can't be serious
posted by rewil at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [39 favorites]


The top level cards spelled out "Hillary," and the bottom cards were red white and blue. There wasn't any black light component that I saw.
posted by lovecrafty at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Kaine just totally kung-fu-ed that balloon.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Holy fuck that is a lot of balloons.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


So I'm guessing someone last thursday got a text from Leah Daughtry just saying "more balloons"
posted by mrzarquon at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


I am worried that people might die? From too many balloons?
posted by palindromic at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


The DNC went MAXIMUM BALLOON.
posted by E. Whitehall at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [21 favorites]


EVERYONE IS FROLICKING WITH THE BALLOONS
posted by winna at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


The card stunt must have been to...fake out the Bernie Busters?

Fuck it, who cares -- that was an awesome speech.
posted by wenestvedt at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Tim Kaine was totally playing with that big balloon like the audience at a Phish concert.
posted by zombieflanders at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


COMICALLY OVERSIZED BALLONS
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Beach balls the size of Andrea Mitchell"

Shut up Brian Williams. You're drunk.
posted by zachlipton at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


balloon wars!
posted by lampshade at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016


Tim Kaine is playing soccer on stage with balloons. I repeat, Time Kaine is playing soccer on stage with balloons.

And he's got orange slices backstage for everyone once balloon soccer finishes!
posted by Talez at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [33 favorites]


THESE BALLOONS ARE YUGE
posted by phunniemee at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Bill had a big balloon in his hands and looked like he wanted to bonk someone with it.
posted by The Nutmeg of Consolation at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


NOTE TO BARRON TRUMP: Watch the Democrats. It is totes okay to play with the balloons on stage!
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Ann Holton's little skip when she got on stage flat out killed me. They are officially the cutest couple from every senior class from every high school everywhere.
posted by hollygoheavy at 8:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]




Sorry your ballon drop was such an epic fail donald.
posted by Annika Cicada at 8:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


"Ok, so Trump had a small amount of balloons. We need a large amount of balloons."

"How large?"

"Large enough to make a man with small hands feel jealous"

"We can do that, Ma'am.. I mean, Madame"
posted by ethansr at 8:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [54 favorites]


David Brooks thinks she should have been more emotional.
posted by octothorpe at 8:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


And now the compression-killing confetti
posted by ckape at 8:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


I want Tim Kaine holding a balloon during the debates
posted by mrzarquon at 8:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


The card trick just looked like alternation sections of red and white in the bottom, but the top level was light blue with a word spelled. It was too patchy to see on tv but Chris Hayes claimed on twitter that it was supposed to say "HAMILTON".

(This may have been a joke)
posted by DynamiteToast at 8:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


My CSPAN stream is completely shitting the bed
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:33 PM on July 28, 2016


C'mon Timmy, you know you want to want to do a Superman slide through the balloons. DOOOO IT!
posted by dry white toast at 8:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Balloon density crashing youtube's compression algorithms.
posted by phphph at 8:33 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


Normally I feel that all this is too important to be all 'our sports team is better' about, but tbh i'm feelin that about the balloon drop
posted by you're a kitty! at 8:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


And David Brooks is trashing her speech. Stick to CSpan, all.
posted by persona au gratin at 8:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Card stunt:

STRONCFR

in blue & white
posted by GameDesignerBen at 8:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


My CSPAN stream is completely shitting the bed

Not surprising. Confetti makes most MPEG encoders shit the fucking bed.
posted by Talez at 8:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I think the card thing kind of fell apart becasue everyone in the crowd was so caught up in "yaaaaaaaaaay awesome speech" that everyone missed their cues until about ten seconds before the balloons started falling and everyone kind of decided "aw, fine, fuck it."
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm told it's 110,000 balloons.
posted by zachlipton at 8:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Someone get Tim Kaine a selfie stick
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hillary looks so happy.
posted by Annika Cicada at 8:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I am feeling so many emotions right now, but real quick: a) TRULY I HAVE NEVER BEEN PANDERED TO SO EFFECTIVELY and b) I am so proud and so thrilled that Hillary Rodham Clinton is our candidate for president.
posted by yasaman at 8:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [50 favorites]


Is that Reince Priebus falling face first into his cereal and Bailey's?
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 8:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


David Brooks thinks she should have been more emotional.

David Brooks thinks a lot of things.
posted by Panjandrum at 8:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [37 favorites]


Hillary doing giant balloon toss
posted by mrzarquon at 8:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


FUCKING DAVID BROOKS. "I don't know why Hillary can't project more humanity" mumble mumble "monotone." He doesn't like how she modules her voice, ladies and gentleman. Well boo fucking hoo, Brooks.
posted by Bella Donna at 8:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


Decent speech. Lots of strong bits, wish there was more gun control stuff really but I guess though she was most moving talking about that it doesn't poll particularly well.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:34 PM on July 28, 2016


Tim Kaine is going to take home at least 3 balloons for the kids.
posted by k8bot at 8:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [26 favorites]


Tonally, this is a marked difference from the finale of the RNC last week when they played Drowning Pool's "Let the Bodies Hit the Floor" and then hung that dude.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 8:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [65 favorites]


Hillary's look of joy while throwing a giant balloon at someone is my everything right now
posted by jason_steakums at 8:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]


God the energy in that hall must be amazing right now
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hope none of you delegates have a latex allergy because here comes a balloon flood of Biblical proportions.
posted by bergeycm at 8:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


David Brooks can go get knocked down and not get up again.
posted by dis_integration at 8:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


Everyone is seriously transported with joy by the balloons. Perhaps if we got everyone together with balloons the world would be renewed and we would all love our fellow creatures as ourselves.
posted by winna at 8:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


Tim Kaine just volunteered to stay late and pop all the balloons
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [30 favorites]


C-Span's feed looks like someone dropped Lego bricks all over the camera.
posted by dirigibleman at 8:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


All I can say is BRING ON THE DEBATES!!
posted by ramix at 8:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


After sitting through the GOP convention, and then watching this one, I kinda feel like Sarah Connor at the end of Terminator 2: "The unknown future rolls toward us. I face it, for the first time, with a sense of hope. Because if a machine, a Terminator, can learn the value of human life, maybe we can too."

Welp, you've all been great to watch this with - you're my kind of Americans.

Before I retire for the evening, I know you are just dying for the latest Canadian hot takes, so here you go...

Daniel Dale on Twitter: "This convention is just so much more *pleasant* than the other one."

G'night!
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [31 favorites]


DNC clearly in the pocket of Big Balloon
posted by entropicamericana at 8:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


I hate all of you, I have to get up for work soon but instead I sit here watching adults play with balloons because I'm not really done watching until the gavelplay.
posted by telegraph at 8:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


I'm channeling Donald Trump, I just want to slap some of the PBS commentators so much.
posted by Bella Donna at 8:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Donation request email hit my inbox as soon as that ended.

Yes please take all my moneys.
posted by thefoxgod at 8:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


If the card stunt was visible on the DNC feed I must have been looking the other way.

It's certainly a proper respectable balloon drop at least. I think I read somewhere (one of the earlier threads maybe?) that they had schoolkids blowing up the balloons for the RNC event and those kids weren't super jazzed about it, maybe that explains the anemic result.

WIth this many balloons, though, definitely couldn't have been schoolkids alone. Maybe they managed to harness some of the RNC's hot air.
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 8:36 PM on July 28, 2016


Bill Clinton is such a dork. hahahaha I'd be the same way though. BALLOONS!
posted by Annika Cicada at 8:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Chris Matthews thinks the whole convention worked, calls her speech the closing argument. Agree with him there! Send
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


The blue and white cards said "stronger". I'm assuming also "together," but I didn't see that section.
posted by litlnemo at 8:36 PM on July 28, 2016


He doesn't like how she modules her voice, ladies and gentleman. Well boo fucking hoo, Brooks.

Projecting much, Brooks?
posted by biogeo at 8:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


How Fudge gonna gavel? How?
posted by Devonian at 8:36 PM on July 28, 2016


NBC talking heads agreeing she was too liberal to reach out to disaffected Republicans. Apparently we'll have to instead hope they have an approximation of sanity left in them.
posted by argybarg at 8:36 PM on July 28, 2016


Bah. RNC wanted to make us afraid, DNC wants to make us inspired.

Is there really a fucking choice?
posted by Mooski at 8:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


She is having SUCH A BALL up there!
posted by emilypdx at 8:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


This is like the credits of SNL minus scrolling credits plus 110,000 balloons.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 8:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


David Brooks thinks she should have been more emotional.

David Brooks can choke on a bucket of his own stupid.
posted by dersins at 8:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [29 favorites]


OK, enough of that song. Can we go back to Brave or Fight Song? Please?
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 8:36 PM on July 28, 2016


I'm so glad this is over and there aren't 100 more days so I can actually get some work done and not get fired.
posted by dis_integration at 8:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Bill forgot to schmooze because he was captivated by a giant white balloon.
posted by ethansr at 8:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


You know what gets me?

Hillary is stopping to talk to every child who approaches her right now.
posted by mrzarquon at 8:36 PM on July 28, 2016 [64 favorites]


Bill really wants to get a balloon fight going.
posted by soundguy99 at 8:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


Her white suit is so striking. When she first walked out I saw red lips, blue eyes and the white suit. Nice visual.
posted by bendy at 8:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Oh shit. The gavel. Thanks for the reminder!

I'll hang in for that.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]




Welp, I finally ran out of favorites again, despite trying REALLY HARD to be thrifty.

Consider yourselves favorited. I am not joking when I say that whatever shreds of sanity I still have are entirely thanks to MeFites.
posted by Superplin at 8:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


Tim Kaine just unironically high fived someone
posted by Tarumba at 8:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [26 favorites]


Canadian here, just wanted to confirm: the one with the most balloons wins, right? We can just skip the next few months?
posted by experiencing a significant gravitas shortfall at 8:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [33 favorites]


Bill thinks he's at fucking Bonnaroo with them damn balloons lol
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Bill’s thoughts right now: I always wanted to play with the balloons like this, and they NEVER let me do it!
posted by mbrubeck at 8:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [40 favorites]


They're literally WADING through balloons. So many balloons.
posted by suelac at 8:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Great speech. She's tested. She's ready. She never quits. That's why Hillary should be our next @POTUS. (She'll get the Twitter handle, too) -- @POTUS
posted by zachlipton at 8:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


The crowd up there feels like a wedding where Hillary had to invite the strange cousins from out of state.
posted by dry white toast at 8:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bill is bringing that balloon home.
posted by Torosaurus at 8:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


David Brooks thinks she should have been more emotional.

Well tivalasvegas thinks David Brooks should be more quiet.
posted by tivalasvegas at 8:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [40 favorites]


MPEG encoding is based upon a series of random whacky stuff, most of which can be boiled down to "assume the previous frame is a lot like the next frame" and "assume that the next frequency of pixel is not too different from the previous frequency of pixel". So, edges are actually technically fine in theory if and only if they are regular, but in practice, since things like confetti are irregular and variegated, it shits the bed.
posted by hleehowon at 8:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Hah now Bill has a blue balloon and he's not giving it up.
posted by ethansr at 8:37 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


I COULD BE PRESIDENT
posted by Talez at 8:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


Those popping balloons are making me nervous! Sounds too much like gunfire.
posted by ramix at 8:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Balloons attacking people. Cries in the audience. Hillary rushed off stage.
posted by phphph at 8:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Also, the Secret Service has to be freaking the fuck out with all those popping balloons.
posted by zombieflanders at 8:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Balloons popping is I'm sure not making security nervous.
posted by dirigibleman at 8:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Grandmother and granddaughter walking off the stage is truly lovely.
posted by holgate at 8:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


They knocked over the flags!
posted by birdheist at 8:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Has anyone seen my gavel? It was right here somewhere, under these balloons...
posted by Mchelly at 8:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


that secret service agent that just intercepted the potential threat of the giant red balloon heading for hil's back
posted by entropicamericana at 8:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


I bet all these giant balloons popping is making the Secret Service agents twitch so bad. edit: echo echo echo
posted by Rhaomi at 8:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


There are people literally wading in a sea of balloons and I think I just heard a couple of horrified screams.
posted by Tarumba at 8:38 PM on July 28, 2016


Wow, a Secret Service guy just dove in and took the balloon for Hillary. That was impressive.
posted by uosuaq at 8:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [22 favorites]


People I assume are secret service are grimly playing with the balloons by pretending they're batting them away as the Clintons leave the hall.
posted by winna at 8:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


I think all those balloons popping is freaking the secret service guys out a bit. They look concerned.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 8:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Who is popping all the balloons? It's the Bernie or BUSTERS, isn't it?
posted by zakur at 8:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Seriously, watching this with everyone here has been a joy. Thank you!
posted by joedan at 8:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


LMAO @ the guy that randomly decided to pick up a bunch of balloons and didn't realize that by biting one of them it would pop
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Hillary has a guy who is the balloon deflector!

I guess that is a sweet gig for the Secret Service.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 8:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Large gentlemen with earpieces not enjoying balloon pops.
posted by Devonian at 8:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Secret Service just saved that flag
posted by ckape at 8:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


"I don't know how I'm going to pray in this chaos!"

All the lols
posted by mollywas at 8:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Yeah, Steve Clemons thinks she should have smiled more.

It never ends, does it.
posted by longdaysjourney at 8:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


"I don't know how I'm going to pray in THIS chaos..."
posted by phphph at 8:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I can safely say I've never seen a prayer done in this many balloons before!
posted by jason_steakums at 8:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Poor reverend with balloons everywhere.
posted by zachlipton at 8:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


David Brooks thinks she should have been more emotional.

David Brooks should be less of a transparently sexist jackass.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 8:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [36 favorites]


I also do not know how one would pray in this chaos.
posted by palindromic at 8:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Secret Service headsets:

"We no longer have eyes. Repeat. No eyes. Do you have a visual?"

"Negative. So. Many. Balloons."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [39 favorites]


Wtf reverend in hell with balloons
posted by rabbitrabbit at 8:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm going to buy a room's worth of balloons tomorrow. I forgot how much silly joy a room full of balloons can bring.
posted by holgate at 8:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I don't know about yall but I'm just happy we got through today without any more ridiculousness (or worse) from the busters or anyone else. The fact that Hillary gave a great speech is just gravy.

Stronger together! On to November!
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 8:39 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Bill Shillady, a Methodist minister, is trying to get everyone to hold hands when everyone is still romping with balloons.
posted by winna at 8:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


David Brooks and Mark Shield (PBS/NPR coverage) were not impressed by Hilary's speech, but they weren't impressed by Trump's either. For her, it was because she wasn't dynamic or personal enough, and too much "checking the boxes."

But I agree with folks here who were impressed. My wife and I were moved, we both cried and cheered.
posted by filthy light thief at 8:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


I thought it was a pretty good speech, but I also think that the heckling is going to make messaging hard for the campaign. I'm really, sincerely hoping that it's a net bump, however... the 538 model has trump up and trending at the moment, and I'd like to see that reversed.
posted by codacorolla at 8:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


OK, mefi, I am not big at praying but the reverend said to hold hands - so I am going to start - takes the hand of homunculus...
posted by madamjujujive at 8:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


No major disruptions outside the first few hours. Signs, minor chanting, one walkout, nothing too crazy, mostly under control. Maybe we should blame Bernie.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:40 PM on July 28, 2016


Lol this preacher. Should've just gone with the old short and sweet prayer, people are to excited for this holding hand shit.
posted by DynamiteToast at 8:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I think the light blue cards in the balcony were supposed to spell "Hillary" then it was red white and blue down low.
posted by frecklefaerie at 8:40 PM on July 28, 2016


That's a snazzy cassock.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


On a scale of 0 - Bill Clinton under raining balloons, how happy are you?
posted by Become A Silhouette at 8:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [31 favorites]


Again, well past my bedtime. Goodnight everyone, thank you so much for sharing this with me.
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Marcia Fudge is just going to rub two balloons together instead of gaveling-out.
posted by nathan_teske at 8:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


This is amazing
posted by rabbitrabbit at 8:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Mods, thank you all for putting up with this for basically two straight weeks. Have a relaxing weekend!
posted by uosuaq at 8:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [51 favorites]


i wish i had someone else's hand to hold and listen to this /barely religious
posted by one teak forest at 8:40 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Friends, hold the hand of your neighbor, hold the hand . . . look, just put down the fucking ballons for one minute, ok?
posted by bibliowench at 8:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [30 favorites]


Is this minister in hell?
posted by adamg at 8:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Up too late again. I don't want to get a summer cold from all this fatigue and emotion, but damned if I was going to miss this speech. Totally worth it.
posted by wenestvedt at 8:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


RNC: FEAR THE OTHER!
DNC: LOVE THE OTHER!

And people say the two parties are the same.
posted by Talez at 8:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [35 favorites]


If I were Marcia Fudge it would be so hard not to croquet mallet those balloons around stage with the gavel
posted by jason_steakums at 8:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


Aww, I respect his efforts and also have drunk a lot of gin-based drinks.
posted by palindromic at 8:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I mean yes never say that but she was totally smiling like hell through that speech.
posted by ckape at 8:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I read somewhere (one of the earlier threads maybe?) that they had schoolkids blowing up the balloons for the RNC event and those kids weren't super jazzed about it

Hang on, what? *thinks* well, I guess it passes Trump's Razor
posted by tivalasvegas at 8:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


That's a tallis and a half that is.
posted by motty at 8:41 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I just have to say, she totally convinced me that she is superwoman.
posted by madamjujujive at 8:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


> On a scale of 0 - Bill Clinton under raining balloons, how happy are you?

Tim Kain hitting Bill from behind with a giant balloon, but then apologizing.
posted by mrzarquon at 8:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [44 favorites]


Marcia Fudge better take that gavel home with her.
posted by zachlipton at 8:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm gonna grab the dog's paw. He has been so patient through this whole process.
posted by winna at 8:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Normally I get really antsy whenever there's a public prayer anywhere but all the prayers this week have been really beautiful
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Also the Reverend looks like both Tony DiNozzo JR and SR from NCIS so I am automatically on board with him just based on that
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:43 PM on July 28, 2016


Thus spake Roomie From Brussels - "She nailed it."

....And that balloon pop after the reverend's "....shining city on a hill" made me Lol.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I love that the balloons are still moving around even in the middle of the prayer. I bet holding hands with a patriotic balloon still counts!
posted by E. Whitehall at 8:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


threeants, I'd recognise that dogwhistle language anywhere. Those Bernie Bro women of colour are, as you would say, not your shield.

I want to be abundantly clear that my intent was genuine, and that I am not familiar with the meaning of "Not Your Shield" except for having googled it just now and seen that it has something to do with GamerGate, which I do and have always thoroughly despised (obviously, to anyone who has ever read anything I've ever written here).
posted by threeants at 8:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


You KNOW Bill is going to be the last person to leave the arena.

"Uh, Mr. President, sir? We really need to go now."
"Just five more minutes! There's got to be someone I haven't talked to!"
posted by Chrysostom at 8:43 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Everytime you heard a chant, they were counter-chanting. :(
posted by longdaysjourney at 8:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


I just want to acknowledge the sheer joy I'm seeing on TV, and feeling in my heart. So much love for Hillary, for my country and for my friends here sharing this with me. Thank you!

and a pee break generates 246 new comments, LOL
posted by wallabear at 8:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


Does he reward us with balloons?
posted by winna at 8:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]




Jeffrey Lord on CNN is just ridiculous... "what did you think of the speech?" "well, I was looking online and the military members support Trump 2:1, so, you know..."
posted by modernnomad at 8:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Looking at my Twitter feed, specifically the people retweeting Brooks and Clemons, if they can automatically insert a donkey emoji after #DemsInPHI, they can drop the Broad City .gif into every tweet with "Smile." in it.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 8:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


She's got the gavel in her hand from the start! She's got this.
posted by zachlipton at 8:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I wonder how long it'll be before a Republican is OUTRAGED that this minister has two Canadian flags on his Minister Scarfy Thing, and no American ones?
posted by Sys Rq at 8:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Gavel game
posted by stet at 8:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Someone (don't know who) is on MSNBC is complaining because Clinton's speech wasn't pandering to the republicans.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 8:44 PM on July 28, 2016


MARCIA FUDGE FTW!
posted by palindromic at 8:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Gotta say--I'm not the praying type, but I do like that Methodist "all the good we can" thing.
posted by dersins at 8:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


Double gavel. That's how you do it.
posted by zachlipton at 8:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


"The chair will entertain a motion to adjourn the convention.

The ayes have it, we are adjourned. Thank you Philadelphia!"

Night y'all!
posted by winna at 8:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


I feel like I wouldn't have enjoyed this nearly so much without Metafilter there through both the RNC and the DNC. This feels a little like the end of summer camp, now. Thank you to everybody who's been here through this, who's contributed, thank you to winna for all the introductions, thank you to the mods. This has really been amazing.

Guys. Guys. The world might not actually be ending after all, and we might be okay.
posted by Sequence at 8:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [67 favorites]


No one is leaving without a giant fucking balloon.
posted by ethansr at 8:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


No card stunt. I'm voting Trump.
posted by stet at 8:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Props to Marcia Fudge, the true hero of this whole production.
posted by zombieflanders at 8:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


Please send thoughts and prayers to Donald Trump as he struggles to recover from the series of third degree burns he sustained tonight.
posted by sleepy psychonaut at 8:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [24 favorites]


Holy fuck, that was outstanding. Too many thoughts and feelings to process right now. Mefites, thank you so much for providing a safe space for both intelligent discourse and mad enthusiasm.

WE ARE ADJOURNED
posted by the thought-fox at 8:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


bill [with a big balloon]: hey hill check this out
hillary
hey hillary
hill
hey hillary check this out
hillary look what i
hill
hillary
posted by dry white toast at 8:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [50 favorites]


Jeffrey Lord is unbelievable. He's a bunch of non-sequitur talking points wearing a wig held together with a cheap suit and tie.
posted by dis_integration at 8:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Don't listen to the talking heads. Just don't!
posted by ramix at 8:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I love that the instructions for the counter chants included:
"Black lives matter" "Join them."
posted by Bella Donna at 8:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Everytime you heard a chant, they were counter-chanting.

I hope that isn't real, a speech like that should earn chants of her name all on its own.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 8:46 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Please send thoughts and prayers to Donald Trump as he struggles to recover from the series of third degree burns he sustained tonight.

I suppose if we liked him, we could send aloe

But as it is, maybe we should send cooking oil?

Just thinking aloud
posted by Hermione Granger at 8:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


It was perfect I mean aside from the perfectly picked speakers, other than the card stunt things were so well executed.
posted by Tarumba at 8:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hillary must have some awesome internal polling numbers because she did not run to the center at all with her policies.

She basically laid out a very ambitious set of proposals and said to Republicans she's not going to play nice like Obama.

Combined with the withering assault on Trump's well everything she's going for the left and the center.
posted by vuron at 8:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


30 days from now, let's remember to come back here and gavel out this thread.
posted by zachlipton at 8:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [41 favorites]


Everytime you heard a chant, they were counter-chanting. :(

Yeah, but the official direction was for everyone to join in with "Black Lives Matter," so that's actually pretty fucking awesome.
posted by dersins at 8:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [18 favorites]


oh god here go 200 comments of squee

a bit conservative, but tivalasvegas wins the thread :)
posted by wallabear at 8:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


For her, it was because she wasn't dynamic or personal enough, and too much "checking the boxes."

It's funny, that's exactly the criticism Bill's state of the unions used to get, and then according to the polls the public lapped 'em up with a spoon.
posted by maggiepolitt at 8:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


You all know that Hillary is gonna do something like gift that gavel to Marcia Fudge right?
posted by mrzarquon at 8:48 PM on July 28, 2016


Someone (don't know who) is on MSNBC is complaining because Clinton's speech wasn't pandering to the republicans.

Yeah, but now the other conservative/Republican guy is saying that Republican moms should eat this up.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 8:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Also yay Marcia! Who I got to vote for! The one good thing to come out of gerrymandering!
posted by Sequence at 8:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


I feel like I wouldn't have enjoyed this nearly so much without Metafilter there through both the RNC and the DNC. This feels a little like the end of summer camp, now. Thank you to everybody who's been here through this, who's contributed, thank you to winna for all the introductions, thank you to the mods. This has really been amazing.

Guys. Guys. The world might not actually be ending after all, and we might be okay.
posted by Sequence at 8:45 PM on July 28


Seconded. Not to get all Uncle Drunky on y'all, but last week at the RNC was pretty awful, and your commentary got me through it (even if the wireless in the Q was too sluggish for me to respond much!), and it's been a blast feeling the hope again this week with my people. Much love.
posted by bowtiesarecool at 8:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [22 favorites]


> "Black lives matter" "Join them."

I feel dumb for thinking "why would they chant Join Them"
posted by mrzarquon at 8:49 PM on July 28, 2016 [22 favorites]


I think I read somewhere (one of the earlier threads maybe?) that they had schoolkids blowing up the balloons for the RNC event and those kids weren't super jazzed about it, maybe that explains the anemic result.

Yes, for real.
posted by mbrubeck at 8:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Hillary must have some awesome internal polling numbers because she did not run to the center at all with her policies.

Just now on MSNBC Maddow called her speech "Centrist."
posted by zakur at 8:50 PM on July 28, 2016


I have really enjoyed having the Metafilter commentary to read along with the convention. Thanks so much to all of you.
posted by chimpsonfilm at 8:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


mrzarquon, you weren't the only one....
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:50 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Crone Island plays this convention on repeat.
posted by erisfree at 8:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


I feel dumb for thinking "why would they chant Join Them"

Oh God, I just got that. Zarquons United In Tired Dumbness!
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 8:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


the 538 model has trump up and trending at the moment, and I'd like to see that reversed.

538: Election Update: Why Our Model Is Bullish On Trump, For Now (JUL 28, 2016)
posted by filthy light thief at 8:51 PM on July 28, 2016


TV Ratings: DNC Beats RNC by Nearly 5 Million Viewers in Night 2 Final Numbers

Oh, that's got to piss off the Talking Yam so much.
posted by octothorpe at 8:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [24 favorites]


Just now on MSNBC Maddow called her speech "Centrist."

I've lost a lot of respect for Maddow over the last week or so.
posted by dersins at 8:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [26 favorites]


Good job, everyone. See you in tomorrow's thread?
posted by infinitewindow at 8:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Centrist? Free college for the middle class, raise the taxes on big corporations, women's rights are human rights.

I wish that was centrist. I really, really wish that was the case.
posted by filthy light thief at 8:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [73 favorites]


Someone (don't know who) is on MSNBC is complaining because Clinton's speech wasn't pandering to the republicans.


Nicolle Wallace.

Used to work for Dubya.

I've been wondering all week what she's doing on MSNBC.
 
posted by Herodios at 8:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


It got awfully dusty in here when Hillary came out and hugged Chelsea.
posted by SisterHavana at 8:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Thank you, Mefi. These threads have helped me keep my optimism like nothing else could. (Partly because this community is the only place I can read comments when I'm at work....)
posted by suelac at 8:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


I don't know what voodoo they did, but I can't explain to myself how she managed to make it super progressive and yet somehow very much appealing to conservatives, I mean how did she do that? It was masterful.
posted by Tarumba at 8:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [35 favorites]


A few weeks back, after a really vulnerable conversation about my body, my wife said to me "Baby, I imagine it must be terrifying to let go of the identity you were raised with, thinking you're not really a woman. It must be so scary to embrace yourself as a real woman and let go of those parts of your identity that were with you for so long but aren't really the real you".

This week I let go of Bernie, Bill, Dean and Obama. I cried as they were on stage, felt parts of who I was pulled away and it hurt so much to let go. I felt my past being pulled out of me like sucking on a bee sting.

Then Hillary came on stage. I realized, it wasn't her I was afraid of all these decades.

It was myself.
posted by Annika Cicada at 8:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [81 favorites]


> Just now on MSNBC Maddow called her speech "Centrist."

Progressive domestic, and very aggressive interventionist foreign policy I guess balances as the centrist?
posted by mrzarquon at 8:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh, that's got to piss of the Talking Yam so much.

He's currently chuffy on his twitter that she won't say "radical Islamic terrorism" as if calling people names is a plausible national security policy.
posted by peeedro at 8:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Yeah, you don't get to say she drove to the middle when she directly called out the NRA.
posted by dry white toast at 8:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


That was fantastic. All of it, all the days. all the people.

This grumpy lefty Brit salutes you, America, down to your bizarre inflatable latex ceremonies and terrible musical interludes.
You better make sure the lady gets in, and gets in big. She's taken the bet that she can get some serious stuff through the door because the other side are in tatters.

In the words of another (less grumpy, but just as lefty) Brit: Make it so.

Good night, America, and good luck.
posted by Devonian at 8:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [52 favorites]


Maddow has been extremely negative this entire DNC. Not quite sure why

There was red meat for progressives as well as centrists plus a sanity check concerning Trump.

This was basically written to give everyone a little of what they want.

Well maybe not Trump but he needs to be sent to his room so he can think about what he's done.
posted by vuron at 8:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Don't listen to the talking heads. Just don't!

I'm soooo glad I watched it through live streams without commentary.

Speaking of which, thanks for all the great commentary this week and last.

Stayed up for the gavel. Was not disappointed (even though one of those balloons almost derailed the gavelling).

Nighty night!
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 8:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Comedy Central's tearing it up ...
posted by ZenMasterThis at 8:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Someone (don't know who) is on MSNBC is complaining because Clinton's speech wasn't pandering to the republicans.

Nicolle Wallace was also complaining that Hillary only talked about herself and didn't mention anything about why the country is great.

Serious question: Was she listening to the same speech I heard?
posted by SisterHavana at 8:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


The Guardian live feed hilariously describes the balloons:

"Yes that was a fireworks waterfall right there. And now the balloons begin to fall. That is a lot of balloons. The beach ball ones come down too. The stage is already thick with balloons. It looks kind of dangerous to walk. There’s Bill Clinton, getting eaten alive by a balloon blizzard. In the press box can be heard expressions of concern. “They’re going to drown them all, with all the balloons.” That’d probably be how Bill Clinton would like to go, not that we’ve checked with him. Anyway there’s confetti too. The balloon assault appears to have subsided – the nets up at the ceiling are empty – and we would say that it was not too many boons after all, but they drifted badly – too many went right toward the stage instead of straight down to the crowd. You can smell the sulfur from whatever carbon-based flammable they used to make those fireworks happen."
posted by chapps at 8:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


He's currently chuffy on his twitter that she won't say "radical Islamic terrorism" as if calling people names is an plausible national security policy.

I guess her speech wasn't PC enough for him.
posted by dirigibleman at 8:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


Good job, everyone. See you in tomorrow's thread?

I'll be on a plane to portland, where I'll spend the next 5 days kissing my wife. I won't even know you suckaz exist.
posted by Annika Cicada at 8:56 PM on July 28, 2016 [25 favorites]


It feels like the end of breakfast club.

Now we all part ways.
posted by Tarumba at 8:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


I'll admit, I watched it on MSNBC just to be one more viewer. The ratings will piss Trump off.
posted by JakeEXTREME at 8:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


somehow the damn feed i was on cut out in the middle of the prayer. i was actually enjoying that!
posted by FlyingMonkey at 8:58 PM on July 28, 2016


We watched over dinner with our eight year son. We NEVER watching anything at dinner, which is conversation time. But we watched tonight, and made sure that he understood that a woman can be president (or an astronaut or doctor (which my wife actually is)) or any damn thing she wants to be. Maybe someday he'll realize how ridiculous it is that we even have to point that out to him.
posted by vverse23 at 8:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


FWIW, the 538.com models had all started to trend in Hillary's direction already, as of July 25 (polls-plus), July 26 (polls-only), or July 27 (now-cast). They're still low compared to where they were in mid-July, but the convention bounce should be good when it appears.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 9:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


@POTUS: Great speech. She's tested. She's ready. She never quits. That's why Hillary should be our next @POTUS. (She'll get the Twitter handle, too)
posted by octothorpe at 9:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Man. This week was the concert I never got to go to. At least it was televised. Sigh.
posted by wallabear at 9:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Dammit I have an early flight in the morning but I just want to sit here and re-watch everyone with the balloons.
posted by une_heure_pleine at 9:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Holy shit y'all according to my mom my redneck stepdad in Dallas was shouting "hil-a-ry" by the end of her speech.

For real. Uh. It must have been good if he liked it. My mom is tripping out right now.
posted by Annika Cicada at 9:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [68 favorites]


Is this where I add "Fired up - ready to go" for old times' sake?
posted by RedOrGreen at 9:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


> Maddow has been extremely negative this entire DNC. Not quite sure why

I've talked to a few people, and I realize from those conversations that the Clintons are the face of the white liberal patronization of 90s crime policies to many (super predator, the three strike laws, etc). Maddow spent a lot of time working on prison projects dealing with the victims of those policies. My other friends have worked in similar roles, they have muted enthusiasm for Hillary.
posted by mrzarquon at 9:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [21 favorites]


Thank you all for being here, I don't know how I would have made it through the last two weeks without you. And now I will earnestly attempt to cut down on political coverage. And likely fail.
posted by Gaz Errant at 9:01 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm not staying up this late again until September 26th. Till we meet again!
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 9:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


wait come back you guys I'm not out of favorites yet
posted by kelborel at 9:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [28 favorites]


I think I read somewhere (one of the earlier threads maybe?) that they had schoolkids blowing up the balloons for the RNC event and those kids weren't super jazzed about it, maybe that explains the anemic result.

Yes, for real.


omg, there are more people of color in that balloon picture than in the entire RNC convention.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 9:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Orlando Jones had a cute snark-back on Trump just now, over on Twitter: He re-tweeted Trump's "Hillary's vision is a borderless world where working people have no power, no jobs, no safety" with an ironic hashtag - "Make Pangea Great Again."
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:02 PM on July 28, 2016 [21 favorites]


Tonight we took back patriotism for the left and it was kind of brilliant.
The America haters are all following Trump now.
Sure they love the dirt under them, It's just everything else they cant stand.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 9:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [27 favorites]


I was out for Rev. William Barber's speech, but I'm glad that it was well received. When the GOP took over the NC legislature in 2011 and particularly the governor's office in 2013, he was a profound and galvanising force for broad-based social justice and still is. I would not be surprised to see him and Hillary on the same stage in the months to come, because I think NC's very ready to shake off the mean-spiritedness that has emanated from Raleigh and go blue.
posted by holgate at 9:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]




i think josh marshall is right, they're not letting trump use his twitter account right now
posted by murphy slaw at 9:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


The best thing about having sent in an absentee affidavit for the WA caucus is that I have written proof that I supported Hillary Clinton before it was cool.
TAKE THAT, WASHINGTON HIPSTERS.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 9:04 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


vuron: Well maybe not Trump but he needs to be sent to his room so he can think about what he's done.

His words are bad and he should feel bad.
posted by Superplin at 9:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


I don't know what voodoo they did, but I can't explain to myself how she managed to make it super progressive and yet somehow very much appealing to conservatives, I mean how did she do that? It was masterful.

It seems less like crazy wizardry when you realize that the values at the core of being a progressive are the values that conservatives believe are at the core of being a conservative.
posted by dersins at 9:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [60 favorites]


Metafilter, I love you so much. Thank you for letting me share my incoherence with you.

It feels so good to feel optimistic about things again - not just about the woman who will (hopefully) be our next leader, but about everyone coming together after all of the anger and heartbreak of the primary. Last week's RNC was a nightmare, and I feel like I'm finally waking up again.

And wow...Hillary. I've been waiting so long for this, and I couldn't feel more confident in her.

Huge hugs and/or giant balloons to everyone who will accept them.
posted by Salieri at 9:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [25 favorites]


Why were so many speakers during the convention so shouty? A speechwriter explains on Slate.
posted by Bella Donna at 9:05 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


538 is like the poll aggregator that is most bullish on Trump currently and that's really emphasized by how noisy his Nowcast model is and how he's weighting individual polls.

It's creating some weird artifacts such as really old polls being higher weight than the recent Suffolk PA poll.

Pretty much every other polling aggregator is giving a really minute bump for Trump out of the RNC last week but it's around 1-1.5% and he's seeing the maximum improvement right now. Even then he really only closed in most states rather than pulled ahead.

Factor in a comparable bump for Hillary and we'll be right back to where we were and the fundamentals just favor Hillary.
posted by vuron at 9:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


this technique is commonly known as a "snow crash"

Welp, since it hath been observed by myself, then I probably will.

Maybe when you pet your cats you'll think about me kissing my wife?
posted by Annika Cicada at 9:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Maybe Donald missed Hillary's speech because she wasn't announced with YUUGE letters
posted by mrzarquon at 9:07 PM on July 28, 2016


So how big of a donation would it take to own that gavel?

uh, asking for a friend.
posted by zachlipton at 9:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Haha, the released text of HRC's speech uses the phrase "little men" where she said "small men." I wonder if she released an altered text so she could get that zinger in without a warning.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 9:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


The Reviews Are In: Conservatives Say The DNC Was 'Disaster' For The GOP

These were getting tweeted into my feed all night. I guess it took until the DNC for the Republicans to truly realize what they've done to their party.

You have to give the Democrats credit for making that abundantly clear.
posted by dry white toast at 9:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


Last week I lay awake each night after the RNC because I was just so upset and disturbed. This week I sleep easily, or if anything I lay awake for a while because I am excited. Last week I cried during some of the speeches because they were so hateful that it hurt my heart. This week I cried during some of the speeches because they were so uplifting that my heart was bursting. I truly don't understand how this is even a choice.
posted by gatorae at 9:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [34 favorites]


I'll bet Trump is furious right now that Putin didn't let him use his Penis-copter tonight.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 9:08 PM on July 28, 2016


My dad, who has not voted for a Democratic presidential candidate since LBJ, called me to tell me he's sold. He made up his mind not to vote for Trump during the primaries, but this pushed him over the edge: not Trump, not Gary Johnson. He'll vote for Hillary. And if this man, a life-long conservative in the middle of a red state, is going to vote for Hillary Clinton, Trump is doomed.
posted by Chanther at 9:08 PM on July 28, 2016 [102 favorites]


102 days left until the election, y'all. I don't know about you, but I'm SO excited to go out there and work to get her elected.
posted by joedan at 9:09 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


gatorae, well put. It is striking to compare the tears from last week to the tears from this week. Feeling hopeful!
posted by k8bot at 9:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ooop, Trump managed to wrestle his phone away from someone obviously. He's attacking Hillary nonstop now.
posted by dry white toast at 9:11 PM on July 28, 2016


I'm with her.
#AndShesBeenListeningToDiscTwo!

-Lin-Manuel Miranda (@Lin_Manuel)
posted by joedan at 9:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [40 favorites]


great_radio: "who owns @POTUS?"

Technically? Twitter.
posted by mhum at 9:12 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


i think josh marshall is right, they're not letting trump use his twitter account right now

Where are the interjections? Where's the spinnnnnn. These tweets are LOW ENERGY. Wikileakes should release the truth on Trump's tweet hoax. Sad!
posted by dis_integration at 9:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


This felt like the most important convention season of my life, and I'm glad I got to spend part of it with you. GROUP HUG!
posted by missmobtown at 9:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [32 favorites]


If you had told me a year ago that'd I'd be donating to Clinton's campaign I'd have called you a liar. But there we go. Even had to dig out a second card because my Mastercard gift card doesn't work everywhere for some reason (if anyone knows who to contact about getting that in the platform please contact me).
posted by downtohisturtles at 9:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


I am absolutely astonished by that speech. I feel like the Dems this week walked right into the GOP headquarters and stole their Reagan mantle. It was optimistic. It was centrist AND liberal. And Hillary absolutely drove it home.

I think, for the first time in this long, dark year, there's some home that maybe, just maybe, it will end well. I mean, this is 2016, the year that punches you in the nose every day and punches you in other body parts every 5th or 6th day. But. Maybe.
posted by dw at 9:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [41 favorites]


It's truly been a pleasure watching these last two weeks with you all. Good luck, we're all counting on you.
posted by penduluum at 9:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [19 favorites]



Nicolle Wallace was also complaining that Hillary only talked about herself and didn't mention anything about why the country is great.

Serious question: Was she listening to the same speech I heard?


I had the same thought.

And now she's just pandered to Corey Booker about their 'mutual friend' Chris Christie.
 
posted by Herodios at 9:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


the tweet just disappeared, but the Daily Show just quoted Trump and added the #cinnamonhitler tag
posted by mrzarquon at 9:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


Sanity check: Princeton Election Consortium/Sam Wang. And this is before post-DNC polling.

My money's on a Reagan-scale landslide this November.
posted by scrump at 9:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


[NC Rev. William Barber] was a profound and galvanising force for broad-based social justice and still is

Amen. Anyone who came in late and missed Barber's speech is missing one of the highlights of the night. I was at the 2nd (I think) Moral Monday in Raleigh which had maybe a hundred or so of us gathered around Barber on a sidewalk. It was amazing to watch him, the NAACP and other progressives build that to tens of thousands of folks in a span of, what, a year, maybe? Brilliant man and one of the greatest orators I've ever seen live.

Neat case in point: That inclusive line about "people who have no faith" wasn't in his early speeches. As the movement grew, he heard rumblings about that from a number of folks, and listened. Very quickly, his list of religious groups expanded to include non-religious supporters as well. From the street level, it looked like he didn't even blink before realizing it was the right thing to do.
posted by mediareport at 9:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [50 favorites]


Far leftists would be thrilled tonight if they could see the long game. Thats what IM looking at.
Tonight she wrenched that Overton window back to 5 o clock.
If she lands this, and it sounds like she is, this can become the new Right.
I look forward to the NEW New Left over there on the horizon.
posted by Senor Cardgage at 9:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [53 favorites]


I haven't been posting in here much for the last couple of weeks, because I've had to spend so much time catching up. But these threads have been great. Thank you all for posting.
posted by litlnemo at 9:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


to plagiarize my own facebook comment:

the only emotions David Brooks has been taught to recognize and identify in a woman are hunger, anger, tears, and menstruation. so naturally he is frightened and confused, two of the manliest emotions there are, and two of which Hillary may indeed be genuinely incapable.
posted by queenofbithynia at 9:16 PM on July 28, 2016 [47 favorites]


Wow, crying every night for four nights I'm worn out lol. What a great great convention. Just wanted to post that I'm listening to some of these callers on CSPAN- some of these people are rather...scary. Yelling and screaming about hating Hillary. Very, very scary.
posted by Rufous-headed Towhee heehee at 9:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


I have never felt closer to this community than in the last two weeks. Thank you all so much for being so awesome,, intelligent and excited. Special shout out to corb for being our woman on the floor at the RNC. Let's make this happen everyone.
posted by Joey Michaels at 9:17 PM on July 28, 2016 [38 favorites]


Sanity check: Princeton Election Consortium/Sam Wang. And this is before post-DNC polling.

My money's on a Reagan-scale landslide this November.


Don't get too excited about that graph. From PEC's description of it on the page: "At nearly all times, this snapshot shows a very likely win for one candidate or the other. The Princeton Election Consortium does not report this probability, which is usually greater than 99%."
posted by biogeo at 9:18 PM on July 28, 2016


I just got back from a campaign-sponsored convention watch party. I wish I had stayed home. I felt more togetherness with you all.
posted by maurreen at 9:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]




OK, this was super fun and inspiring. From the Mothers of the Movement to Diamond Joe, from Michelle Obama to the pizza kids, from Tim Kaine, the new Vice-president dad, to Christine Leinonen. It was well produced, it made its case both FOR Hillary and AGAINST the Donald. Smart, talented people at the DNC who brought together police and black lives matter. Christians and Muslims, Jews and atheiests. Bernie supporters and Hillary supporters. Republicans and Democrats. The greatest minds are on her side. Let's make this shit happen!
posted by Sophie1 at 9:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


But, wait, guys? When are we gonna hang out again? #Withdrawal
posted by Superplin at 9:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [31 favorites]


I just made my first donation to a political campaign in a long time. I think the dems earned it. This convention was a reasonable explication of the mainstream American left. It's not as far left as I'd like, and I'd like to see less money at the top of the party, but I feel energized about the path forward in November. Great work to Hillary, and to the convention organizers.
posted by codacorolla at 9:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I severely underestimated how much of an earworm Fight Song would be when I first heard it.
posted by jason_steakums at 9:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


Metafilter: bizarre inflatable latex ceremonies
posted by AFABulous at 9:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


Can someone explain the "join them" response to an Australian?
posted by Joe in Australia at 9:24 PM on July 28, 2016


I think this moment and Barack Obama's speech will rest in history. And much of the rest of the convention was very good or great, and when it was neither it was professional.
posted by argybarg at 9:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


It's worth mentioning that Bill Clinton garnered 379 EV in his 1996 election. Sam Wang/PEC have Hillary taking 322 EV if the election were held today.

So it's entirely possible that Hillary Clinton will be elected President with more electoral votes than her husband.
posted by scrump at 9:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Can someone explain the "join them" response to an Australian?

It just means join the chant rather than starting a counter chant. You don't want to counter, "Love is love".
posted by nathan_teske at 9:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


JFA: that meant "Chant BLM With them"
posted by Potomac Avenue at 9:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


Can someone explain the "join them" response to an Australian?

I think it's an instruction that if people chant "Black Lives Matter," the protesters should join in.
posted by zachlipton at 9:26 PM on July 28, 2016


Oh!
posted by Joe in Australia at 9:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


How soon until Hillary tweets to thank everyone for watching tonight and for being "In the room where it happens"
posted by mrzarquon at 9:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm out of favorites, can someone spot me?

posted by biogeo at 21:35 on July 28


In some cases neutrality is tantamount to complicity. The US military can fuck up, but no more war is such an oversimplification and would leave so many people vulnerable.

posted by Tarumba at 21:33 on July 28 [53 favorites +] [!]


Thanks, guys!
posted by biogeo at 9:27 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm totally lost on this "in the room where it happens" thing
posted by dis_integration at 9:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I think this moment and Barack Obama's speech will rest in history.

I just watched Khizr Khan's speech again and I can probably watch it 100 more times.
posted by peeedro at 9:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


oh it's hamilton.
posted by dis_integration at 9:29 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


That was amazing. I'm so grateful to Mefi for these threads, helping me follow both conventions when I couldn't watch much of the video live. And being one of the few sane places on the internet.

I need a drink. And a cigarette. It's a good thing my husband is at work or I'd probably go get one of his and I've been quit for 8 years.
posted by threeturtles at 9:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


... and now I've gone and bought "Fight Song" by Rachel Platten. Because I need that song for my running playlist.
posted by suelac at 9:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


From mbrubeck's link: 125,000 balloons will drop from the rafters of the Republican National Convention in Cleveland.

Wow, the Democrats had 15,000 less balloons than the RNC. Sad!
posted by Gary at 9:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


I'm totally lost on this "in the room where it happens" thing

As a general rule, if someone is saying something you don't understand on MeFi and everyone is all excited about it, it's a Hamilton reference.

But come join us and listen to the album! Don't throw away your shot.
posted by zachlipton at 9:32 PM on July 28, 2016 [27 favorites]


Khizr Khan's speech is what's hot in my facebook feed.
posted by maggiemaggie at 9:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


I just watched Khizr Khan's speech again and I can probably watch it 100 more times.

It was amazing but it was also amazing how much Mrs. Khan said without speaking. Dear Lord I would not want to disappoint that woman.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 9:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [24 favorites]


If you weren't watching before Hillary's speech, a few significant moments from earlier today:

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver - especially the last minute and a half
Congressman Sean Patrick Maloney and Sarah McBride - First transgender speaker at a political convention
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Khizr Khan - if you watch nothing else, even if you don't watch Hillary's speech, watch this, over and over again
General John Allen
Reverend William Barber
Chelsea Clinton
posted by zachlipton at 9:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [66 favorites]


I think Hillary killed it, hit every note, looked like a leader. Woman in the room thought she should have apologized and been more humble. Worried other people won't like her. Ay carumba.
posted by bongo_x at 9:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


And he's got orange slices backstage for everyone once balloon soccer finishes!

The Onion's replacement for Diamond Joe: Dad Kaine?
posted by triggerfinger at 9:42 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Daddy. Daddy Kaine.
posted by Annika Cicada at 9:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


The Khan's were the heroes of the convention. They brought down the hammer.
posted by bongo_x at 9:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


Since I said we needed to compare the CNN snap poll numbers after the Republican convention to the numbers after the Democratic convention in order to make sense of them, here we go:

After the Republican convention -
57% very positive reaction
28% somewhat positive
24% negative reaction.

56% more likely to vote Trump
10% less likely
32% not much effect.

And tonight -
71% very positive
15% somewhat positive
12% negative

60% more likely to vote for Clinton
6% less likely
33% not much effect

Same caveats as the previous poll, that the audiences for the conventions are self-selected and skew towards liking the convention. So the audience for the RNC was weighted towards Republican and the audience for the DNC was weighted towards Democratic. But overall the reaction towards the DNC is more positive towards that of the RNC.
posted by Justinian at 9:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


Oh, man, I'm having surgery the day of the first scheduled debate in September.

I'm gonna be SO drugged up. May be even better than guacamole.
posted by Superplin at 9:44 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Bloody hell. Barber's speech. I don't really do emotion but that knocked me for six, I think maybe it's not just the lack of sleep this week and there's some good stuff happening. You know how Churchill called for a recovery of moral health and martial vigour... When it's a moment for a nation that's sink or swim? USA, you're there right now, and I think that's sorta the direction to moral health.

As for today being a bit more flat... your concerns have been alleviated.
posted by iffthen at 9:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]


What a convention. My reasonable seven almonds treat for the night is the brief FB argument I just had with a Buster and the utterly painless recurring contributions process I just completed at Hillary's campaign site.
posted by EatTheWeek at 9:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


But come join us and listen to the album! Don't throw away your shot.

no. i'm constitutionally incapable of enjoying anything with that much elite consensus. it's a disease, i realize, but whatever. also, is that another hamilton reference? i'm reading gore vidal's "burr" right now and that's enough.
posted by dis_integration at 9:48 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


... and now I've gone and bought "Fight Song" by Rachel Platten. Because I need that song for my running playlist.

Ha! I did the same thing yesterday for the exact same reason.

Also...

So proud.
posted by Salieri at 9:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]


Dad Kaine?

Big Daddy Kaine, surely.

"I'm the Kaine so yo, you know the outcome"
posted by dersins at 9:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Dad Kaine?

Area Dad Tim Kaine.
posted by holgate at 9:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [23 favorites]


The BBC World Service (radio) commentator, as I was driving home, said this was the best speech Clinton has ever given.

Also, LOL—former RNC chair Michael Steele on MSNBC just now: That was the best Republican convention I've been to in a long time.
posted by XMLicious at 9:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [20 favorites]


I was so wrong about the slow start tonight. As soon as Rev. Barber came out it just exploded.
posted by bongo_x at 9:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


Tim Kaine is your new stepdad and...he's not so awful.
posted by Lyn Never at 10:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


... and now I've gone and bought "Fight Song" by Rachel Platten. Because I need that song for my running playlist. Ha! I did the same thing yesterday for the exact same reason.

Me three.

Tim Kaine is like Ted except not an evil misogynistic robot.
I'll bet he makes killer (drug-free) chocolate chip cookies.
posted by Superplin at 10:03 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm wondering if we'll see public, notable conservative endorsements (not just Trump non-endorsements) over the next week. The CNN snap polling, which is largely in-party shows the "less likely" numbers as 34% for Trump and 6% for Clinton. I would say that even 6% is high, but to have a have a third of a representative viewership sample LESS ENTHUSED after the convention is not good news.
posted by codacorolla at 10:05 PM on July 28, 2016


> Tim Kaine is your new stepdad and...he's not so awful.

Tim Kaine is SO LITERALLY a better version of my actual one-time stepdad I want to die.
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 10:06 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]




That Khan speech needs to blanket the airwaves as part of a commercial. I just can't stop thinking about that.
posted by sallybrown at 10:13 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


In case you think Hillary was pandering with that Hamilton reference, she's been supporting Lin since In The Heights

Not going to believe that until she shows us the long form Playbill
posted by peeedro at 10:14 PM on July 28, 2016 [23 favorites]


During her speech, I closed the tablet, and my 13 year and watched history being made. I came back to mefi and shared the Hillary The White jokes, so now Mancub thinks you guys are as fantastic as i do. I can't imagine a group I'd rather spend a convention with.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 10:15 PM on July 28, 2016 [6 favorites]


This from some site...

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posted by Oyéah at 10:16 PM on July 28, 2016


CNN showing a multi-racial post-convention crowd partying jovially and singing along to "Sweet Caroline" while Wolf Blitzer has a drink and nods to the rhythm. Republicans enraged.
posted by skewed at 10:21 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


no. i'm constitutionally incapable of enjoying anything with that much elite consensus. it's a disease, i realize, but whatever. also, is that another hamilton reference? i'm reading gore vidal's "burr" right now and that's enough.

You're the worst Burr.

To answer your question: yes. To answer the inevitable follow-up question: yes, that was another one. To answer your next question: I will not stop because, I will never be satisfied. To answer your last question before you punch me in the face: Yes again. I'll, uh, wait for that punch now.
posted by zachlipton at 10:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [15 favorites]


> I'll, uh, wait for that punch now.

if you knock him down, he'll just get the fuck back up again
posted by mrzarquon at 10:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [11 favorites]


She sits in the train next to a frightened little girl, and delivers the news about what happened this week

Oof, don't do that :)
posted by iffthen at 10:26 PM on July 28, 2016


🎈🎈🎉
I hope my happy balloon emojis show up with this comment - what an amazing night!
posted by hilaryjade at 10:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [12 favorites]


I think Zachlipton's looking to meet the business end of a bayonet.
posted by Superplin at 10:30 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]


I loved the giant blue balloons with stars. How ethereal and delightful! Watching Bill Clinton play with a balloon, and that couple remain strong. Wonderful.
posted by Oyéah at 10:31 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Centrist? Free college for the middle class, raise the taxes on big corporations, women's rights are human rights.

I wish that was centrist. I really, really wish that was the case.


Give it it eight years. It will be.
posted by Slap*Happy at 10:35 PM on July 28, 2016 [25 favorites]


I only just finished Clinton's speech. I guess now I know what it sounds like when the Overton Window shifts in the right direction.
posted by rorgy at 10:51 PM on July 28, 2016 [31 favorites]


I went looking to see the Republican reactions to the convention...

"Never has a party been so disconnected from what is happening in our world. ... Our campaign offers a bold, exciting, detailed vision for the future. Tonight, the Democrats' offered only more rewards for the rich, powerful and well-connected, and more angry, demeaning, sniping attacks against all decent Americans who want change for their families."

Um. What convention were they watching?
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 10:52 PM on July 28, 2016 [13 favorites]


Thanks zachlipton! I had missed Reverend Barber's speech and now I'm crying again.
posted by joedan at 10:53 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Never has a party been so disconnected from what is happening in our world. ... Our campaign offers a bold, exciting, detailed vision for the future. Tonight, the Democrats' offered only more rewards for the rich, powerful and well-connected, and more angry, demeaning, sniping attacks against all decent Americans who want change for their families."

Is the Trump campaign trolling itself?
posted by dersins at 10:54 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]


> What convention were they watching?

This was written well before the speech. This is Manaforte - projecting the picture they know their audience didn't see for themselves.

With Ailes down at Fox News and there being a coup in the midst there, the mouthpiece of the Right might not be able to reinforce its agenda.
posted by mrzarquon at 10:55 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is the Trump campaign trolling itself?

Pro-jec-tion.
posted by holgate at 10:57 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Watching the replays, when Mr. Khan says he will lend Trump his copy of the constitution his wife turns and gives a look that was frankly dangerous, and I know she wasn't being reckless but I'm pretty sure people in the audience ducked.
posted by bongo_x at 10:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


I kinda bought in to the "'Fight Song' is a Bad Song" meme for this convention, but then I listened to the whole original official version on YouTube instead of the incidental chorus that we get to hear as a recording of a recording playing over loudspeakers and I like it much better. Maybe that's a metaphor for the whole Clinton campaign.
posted by Small Dollar at 11:07 PM on July 28, 2016 [10 favorites]


How did the Democrats manage to simultaneously go left AND project so much confidence on traditionally Republican-claimed issues like national security? Damn, they need to bottle some of that in case Republicans eventually run someone who isn't a buffoon.
posted by NortonDC at 11:18 PM on July 28, 2016 [16 favorites]


Another donation to Hillary. For the price of tickets to a movie, with popcorn and soda, WELL WORTH IT.
posted by wallabear at 11:22 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]




I just wanted to thank everyone here. I haven't had much time to watch videos of the convention but I've been skimming the thread here. And (living in Utah) it's a wonderful chance to feel like I'm in a room of like-minded people watching history being made.

I'm off to donate to the Clinton campaign. I think she'll win but I want to try as hard as I can to make her win MORE because the only result I'm truly comfortable with would be 100% voting against Trump.

Thanks Mefites! (Thefites)
posted by mmoncur at 11:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]


Triumph the Insult Comic Dog is on CNN now. Bizarre.
posted by skewed at 11:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]


Me: "I wonder if someone has already made a gif out of Clinton saying "I believe in science"

Internet: here you go

Me: I love you, Internet.
posted by biogeo at 11:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [14 favorites]


Also, LOL—former RNC chair Michael Steele on MSNBC just now: That was the best Republican convention I've been to in a long time.

Yeah, but I gotta give Steele this much: during his short appearance on the Daily Show during the RNC, he gave a no-bullshit yes answer to "Is Hillary qualified?" and in fact doubled down on that yes without hesitation (starts at about 2:10 if you don't want to watch the whole clip). Given the way so many other Republicans can't give an inch on anything that might even be misconstrued as praise, I found that pretty refreshing.

...also it totally made me miss the hell out of the Daily Show's old Michael Steele muppet.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 11:25 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


My opinion on "Fight Song" is a bit skewed because my first exposure to the song was kitten-related.
posted by threeturtles at 11:26 PM on July 28, 2016 [7 favorites]


all those lovely delegates holding their cheese-hats in respect during the opening prayers

What was happening on stage during that, which prayer? I just really want a screengrab of that magic and can't seem to find it.


Er, sorry, but did anyone ever come up with this?
posted by bryon at 11:43 PM on July 28, 2016


Amen sallybrown. That Khan speech was incredibly powerful and moving.
posted by persona au gratin at 11:52 PM on July 28, 2016


Er, sorry, but did anyone ever come up with this?

Maybe this.
posted by peeedro at 11:59 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]


I only just finished Clinton's speech. I guess now I know what it sounds like when the Overton Window shifts in the right direction.

There will probably be essays/columnists covering analysis in the weeks to come, but one question I had while watching tonight is how Hillary's nomination speech compares to Obama's 4 and 8 years ago in terms of similar/different political stance.
posted by polymodus at 12:16 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeah, but I gotta give Steele this much: during his short appearance on the Daily Show during the RNC, he gave a no-bullshit yes answer to "Is Hillary qualified?" and in fact doubled down on that yes without hesitation (starts at about 2:10 if you don't want to watch the whole clip).

Wow. I took a look at the full interview with Michael Steele, and it is really incredible. I disagree with his failure to reject Trump based on the actual content of his public political speech, regardless of what Steele knows about him personally, but he presents an incredibly nuanced, principled perspective on the role of opposition in politics. I deeply, deeply wish that Michael Steele was representative of the Republican Party today, or even of the Republican Party of the last 30-40 years. As happy as I am to see real liberalism resurgent in the Democratic Party platform, the American political system needs strong, principled opposition representing the conservatives in our country who care about good governance and civic life, not the ever-worsening freakshow we've had at least since the Reagan years, with Trumpism as its apotheosis. Healthy, principled opposition is an important prophylactic against the corruption brought by absolute power, and I want to see our Democrats held accountable not only by the activist Left, but also by an oppositional Right that is prepared to find real compromises to make government work for everyone.

We need to demolish the Republican Party in this election. Not because the Republican Party is evil, but so that maybe, just maybe, it will have a chance to purge itself of the Trumpists, the Tea Party, the Neocons, and the rest of the corruption grown out of the foul spores that were sown within the party by the Southern strategy. An absolute rout for the Democrats is the only way that is going to happen. I don't know if even that will be enough to restore the Republican Party, since it may well be that only the most extreme elected officials in the deepest red districts will retain their seats. But maybe that will clear the field for a left-right split within the Democratic Party, or for something entirely new to emerge. Ultimately this may be the only way for a principled conservative political force to regain a meaningful voice in American politics.

Unless Trump wins. Then we've all lost.
posted by biogeo at 12:24 AM on July 29, 2016 [36 favorites]


This feels like the culmination of a sea change in progressive politics. (Yes, progressive politics.) When I was a freshman in college, the year Barack Obama got elected, I joined the College Democrats, and they were a bunch of loud angry people who fought each other non-friggin'-stop and printed zines. Which was delightful, sure, on some level, but it was also really goddamn depressing. I went to an anti-war protest, the really big one in DC in early 2009, which for all its enormity felt utterly stagnant. There was such a bitter cynicism in the air, a sort of resignation to the effort, as if nobody involved could possibly imagine a non-anarchosocialist caring about anything that anybody there had to say.

That year was also the year Tumblr went from technocrat fad to the new up-and-coming youth hotspot, and what I can't help but think of as "Tumblr culture" began emerging. You know what I'm talking about: giddy, irritating, nerdy, endlessly jubilant. It was the geek culture counterpart to Reddit. n+1, a few years back, wrote a thing about how two major cultures formed in the wake of the Internet: the didactic, text-heavy forum culture, which clearly is my bag, and the culture of media ephemera (which n+1 argued was the crux of "hipster" as a movement). Reddit focused on qualitative assessment of content, whether the content in question was a funny picture or a political diatribe; Tumblr was an endless maelstrom of material that was semi-localized to the individual.

I can't help but see both sides as a response to the media culture of the late 20th century, which we're continuing to emerge from today. The text-heavy mediums appeal because they offer a depth that you don't get from news soundbites; the media ephemera allows close-knit communities to form virtually in real-time. If you don't pay attention to memes for a week, you are old and dead. I speak from experience here.

But what interests me on both ends is what sorts of voices become prominent. I think that, as a general rule, more intensive discussions privilege those who can afford to keep up with them; this favors the status quo, because the cost of participation is high enough that those whose voices are typically silenced receive staggeringly little for their contributions. It also has the effect of isolating serious discussions that fall outside the scope of a given culture's interests: there's enough of a barrier to entry that only people who are passionate enough to enter a conversation wind up participating at all.

This gives us the alt-Right, and its hundreds of pages of "philosophy" that nobody else has the stomach to read, let alone debunk. It also gives us the radical Left, which I simultaneously respect and am disheartened by, for reasons we've spent thousands of comments exploring here.

The other kind of culture, the Tumblr-y one, also has a barrier to entry—but that barrier is precipitated by enthusiasm rather than passion. The difference between the two is subtle, but enthusiasm requires less up-front commitment and more of an abiding pleasure in a thing. It's less all-consuming in its energies, less demanding in the sense that it doesn't require the same sort of, I dunno, "mastery". There's less of an expectation that you have an encyclopedic understanding of everything about a thing, and (perhaps?) more of a willingness to put that enthusiasm out there without the expectation that it will be entirely understood or reciprocated.

The neverending Hamilton comments come to mind. Or the relentless comparison of Hillary Clinton to Leslie Knope. I haven't seen Hamilton and have seen most of Parks & Rec, so I grin at half the comments here and am baffled by the other half, but the two are clearly part of the same phenomenon. And when speaker after speaker drops Hamilton references despite most of the nation neither knowing or caring about Hamilton as a thing, I think it's safe to say that perhaps something important is going on here.

The two "cultures" here both fall squarely into the realm of geekdom. But one of those cultures is (somewhat rigidly) authoritarian, and the other is more-or-less anarchic. There's a lot of overlap in what things show up in which places: Reddit has all kinds of cultural fondnesses, and Tumblr passes around all manner of 10,000-word-long spewage. But one of the sites is infamously right-wing, at this point, and the other spawned the Social Justice Warrior epithet, and I don't at all think that that's a coincidence.

The authoritarian model, which Reddit brilliantly exemplifies, favors "proof" above everything. Discussions have "victors", and those victors claim to represent ideals rather than individuals. The catch is, those individuals with enough time and pedantic obsession to stick to their "ideal" wind up being the ones who establish the party line (so to speak). Working out of that entrenchment requires an inordinate amount of time and effort, even if those ideals are really fucking stupid. So you get people who fiercely believe in whatever nonsense they're espousing, and then you get this "alt" movement which doesn't believe it at all, but throws it around for personal gain knowing that others will jump to their aid if they're ever critiqued for what they say or do.

Donald Trump, it goes without saying, is the literal embodiment of this. Nothing he says makes sense—but good luck to you if you want to spend the dozens of hours it would take to convince even a single supporter to reconsider their position.

The anarchic model that Tumblr exemplifies, meanwhile, favors resonance and enthusiasm over everything. What people like gets literally replicated from person to person. The culture that's emerged from this is much more eclectic, seemingly much less "serious" on a surface level for its willingness to jump from meme to fragment of political concept, but at the same time much more robust, much more willing to listen to a dizzying array of individuals chipping in, much less dominated by any single position or ideal. We're talking fandoms all the way down.

I think that that culture is emblematic of leftist and progressive movements in one very simple way: it respects the importance of the individual. It doesn't allow single voices to be silenced, or for discussions to "move past" those voices in the sense that you can shrug them off as too minor to care about. If you dismiss somebody, all you're really doing is dismissing yourself from whatever parts of culture that person belongs to. Only self-censorship is possible. Compare that to the authoritarian model, which even in progressive causes attempts to define "important" and "right" ideas to run counter to the "unimportant" or "wrong" ones, and therefore enables the silencing of voices.

There have been conversations in the feminist circles I run with, conversations I appreciate, about whether it is appropriate to silence feminist voices when they say things that you disagree with. A thought I've seen again and again is that there are certain modes of discussion which are coded as "masculine" and others which are coded as "feminine", and that the former tends to involve asserting your voice while shutting others down, while the latter involves attempting to hear others' voices even if you disagree with them. Or, at least, to let those voices exist.

Just as Trump embodies the "masculine" and authoritarian, I think it's safe to say that Clinton represents its antithesis. Again and again, we're told: she listens.

And when she gives a speech like the one she gave tonight, more than anything it's staggering in the sense that it covers all the bases. She knew everything she needed to say. She knew. And it's clear even in this thread that a ton of people, more than anything, feel listened to tonight.

Listening doesn't mean being endlessly quiet. It doesn't mean being passive or colorless. It just means leaving space for other voices to be heard.

If anything, what this week made me feel is that this mode of conversation is riotously more colorful than its alternative. Holy shit the diversity of speakers. Holy shit the variety of topics. Bill Clinton talking about Hillary as the woman he loves. Barack Obama talking about the sweeping progress of history. Michelle Obama talking about what this moment means to her, to her daughters, to her country.

The Mothers of the Movement, the man who benefitted from Hillary's education initiatives, the people with disabilities who talked about how Hillary reached out to them specifically. The DELEGATES. I know I'm not the only one who teared up at how colorful this goddamn country can be.

Tim Kaine, too, who took me aback with his sheer adorable charm. I don't think it's a surprise that the thing he reminds everybody of is their friend's cool dad. Because, I mean, he's square. He's totally a 50s-style Americana icon. He's the ideal authority figure that authoritarianism probably wants to hold up as what this country ought to be.

But he, too, listens. He, too, cares about people who are as wildly different from him as they can be—and understands how much more overwhelming their similarities are anyway. And when he talks... he's sort of lame! And he owns that! He doesn't need you to feign a respect for him—not if he says things that are worth your respecting. If you also giggle a bunch when he talks and aww at him when he plays with balloons, well, why shouldn't you! There's nothing wrong with any of that either.

Meanwhile, we've had Busters causing all kinds of commotion, all kinds of mayhem. And I mean literally outside my house. I live right along Broad Street in Philadelphia; I've walked alongside the protestors on my way too and from work. And I'm struck, again and again, by the ironies of how quickly they will drown out any voice they don't think belongs to them. How fiercely they want to override the will of any body that doesn't completely synchronize with what they feel is right. Hell, they ignored the words of Bernie Sanders! The man whose face they wore on their shirts!

Some of them carried signs endorsing Jill Stein, a woman who authoritatively declared that Hillary Clinton isn't a proper mother, that all her words are lies, that she's no better than Trump... and this is what we want to call progressive? Over Hillary Clinton, whose signature style involves letting people speak?

The people outside my bedroom window remind me of the people I marched with in 2009. Now, as then, I'm struck by their grim-faced humorlessness. Their seeming conviction that to crack a smile would be to deny the importance of their cause.

I'm not saying you have to smile to be taken seriously. Or that nonstop smiling would have been appropriate in the middle of, I dunno, the biggest speech of the year. But the moods that have struck me the most this week, all my sobbing and bawling aside, have been the sheer joy of all those delegates announcing their votes. The laughter over the gavel gaffes. The sight of both Clintons, and both Kaines, frolicking around in the balloons.

And, of course, the people here erupting with joy over Hamilton quotes, again and again, with the rest of us looking over y'all's way with moderate amounts of bafflement. Ya weirdoes. Never change.

I really do think this matters. It's a cultural and a tonal shift that's both permitted and encouraged by our contemporary modes of media. I can't recall anything like it when I was in college, and back then, try as I might, I just didn't have it in me to be part of any political movement I knew about with any amount of seriousness. Now, I feel like I'm part of a political cause whenever I'm around certain groups of people. That exciting sense of possibility and change is in the air, with feminism and pushes against systemic racism dangling right alongside Steven Universe or whatever board game somebody pulls out. It feels sustainable, and welcoming. I find myself wondering how I might encourage other people I know, people who on the surface have nothing in common with these other friends of mine, to feel like they could be a part of this thing too. There's this electrifying sense that maybe this could be a movement that everybody could take part in, at their own pace, even if they don't agree with everything that everybody else has to say. So long as they know that theirs is not the only voice that matters. This movement is either for all of us or it's for none of us, and this week it's felt like it's for all, all, all.

It's been my pet theory that something like this might be possible, because I too was one of those technocratic scumbags who used Tumblr before it was cool and who thinks that maybe smartphones might change the world for the better. Cultural disruption is seriously a thing. Building a culture is hard, but we have literally the most powerful tool our species has ever designed to try and build one with. (It just occurred to me that January 2017 will mark the ten-year anniversary of the iPhone being unveiled for the first time, which to my geek ass feels like a propitious omen.)
posted by rorgy at 12:25 AM on July 29, 2016 [269 favorites]


posted by rorgy at 3:25 on July 29 [+] You hit your favorite limit for the day. [!]

I used up all my favorites again going back to favorite everyone who shouted "SCIENCE" with Hillary because I am ridiculous, but this really, really deserves one. [+]
posted by biogeo at 12:34 AM on July 29, 2016 [9 favorites]


On MSNBC, Michael Steele was asked which convention was "better"

and he said "Definitely this one was better, and the drinking was done for the right reasons."

Republicans for Hillary, yo! we got room for ya!
posted by yesster at 12:46 AM on July 29, 2016 [24 favorites]


Everybody come back into this thread and read rorgy's comment please. Thank you.
posted by Joey Michaels at 12:53 AM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


I tried but my browser broke. I am relaying this comment via Dictabelt.
posted by Atom Eyes at 1:26 AM on July 29, 2016


Some of them carried signs endorsing Jill Stein, a woman who authoritatively declared that Hillary Clinton isn't a proper mother, that all her words are lies, that she's no better than Trump... and this is what we want to call progressive? Over Hillary Clinton, whose signature style involves letting people speak?

So the connection that I'm drawing is that public criticism goes every direction. Democrats, being the dominant progressive faction, has a systemic privilege in this regard. Clinton listens, but she's not going to "listen" to Trump or his supporters--that is, not the way she would listen to a self-selected demographic.

Here's an example, with a Boston Globe column articulating the problem of Jill Stein making a false equivalence between Hillary and Trump. The author tries to say, hey look, a crucial difference is that Trump doesn't even believe in climate change (SCIENCE!), and therefore Jill Stein is being totally unfair in her characterization of Hillary.

But what the author didn't do is consider is what Jill Stein's argument looks like from her own supporters' perspective: many (including one of my college professors) are environmentalists. To them, it's not enough to believe in global warming: any cynic can do that as well. The intentions predicated on that belief matters, and what's probably going on in the minds for many activists is, based on Hillary's historical positions and policies on global trade and economy, there's a concern that the dominant progressive platform won't be enough for the world to realistically survive the coming environmental crisis. I think that's a better picture of their rationale (whether you or I agree with it).

The hardest part of listening is when the other person is saying something very challenging--threatening, really--to the listener. The author heard Jill Stein and the Greens say some things about climate change and Hillary, and instead finding a way to validate their concern, it was a simpler cognitive closure to incorporate their words and model them as "The Greens don't care that Trump is a climate change denier".

Listening itself is contextual; listening well requires empathic skills and experience, and listening really well is an act of creative translation.
posted by polymodus at 2:01 AM on July 29, 2016 [9 favorites]


Ah-mere-rick-ah, fuckyeh!

Sorry, watching Team America.

As you were. ;)
posted by Autumn Leaf at 2:04 AM on July 29, 2016


both tumblr anarchism and Reddit authoritarianism confuse and frighten me

i will remain in the benevolent dictatorship that is metafilter
posted by tivalasvegas at 2:10 AM on July 29, 2016 [26 favorites]


I think Hillary Clinton just killed the Republican Party and took its stuff. Are we going to have a political realignment of the Unified Party and the Trump-and-Busters Party?
posted by NMcCoy at 2:37 AM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


Conservatives say DNC was 'disaster' for the GOP.
posted by bryon at 2:39 AM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


I need a Marcia Fudge versus Gavel gifset. Please, Internet, we all need a Marcia Fudge versus Gavel gifset.


Re: Not Your Shield - it really doesn't apply in this case. Gamergate was making Twitter accounts appear to be of people of color; the protesters at the DNC were not fictitious. I like that they could be there and express themselves; I'm even mostly ok with the chanting. She can't, and won't, meet the needs of every person - even right thinking people of good heart and enthusiastic spirit.

I don't think we should let fear of an orange muppet turn us against people who aren't as enthusiastic about Clinton/Kaine, or who notice areas of deficit and dismissal. In order to travel leftwards, we need them as conscience and guide. Yeah, sometimes they drown out things we care about, but sometimes we drown out something they care about. The more I think about it, the happier I am that there are dedicated people willing to stand up and object - even if I disagree with what they were objecting too or when.
posted by Deoridhe at 3:26 AM on July 29, 2016 [15 favorites]


It’s easy to see why British politicians and journalists get so starry-eyed about US politics. The scale, the production values, the glamour. The balloons!

You probably should pass some kind of campaign finance reform over there, but it’s sad to think there might be less money for balloons.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 3:36 AM on July 29, 2016 [9 favorites]




I'm not American. I'm British and Canadian. I have two daughters, turning three and one.

The fact that my girls can look at the news and see Hilary Clinton, Theresa May, and Angela Merkel on the world stage is making me tear up.
posted by generichuman at 3:47 AM on July 29, 2016 [14 favorites]


Hi, all. I'm glad I got to watch this with all of you.

Everything significant I might say has already been said by others.

So I am only writing now to mark:

I was was here.

I saw this.
posted by kyrademon at 4:15 AM on July 29, 2016 [33 favorites]


polymodus writes: The intentions predicated on that belief matters, and what's probably going on in the minds for many activists is, based on Hillary's historical positions and policies on global trade and economy, there's a concern that the dominant progressive platform won't be enough for the world to realistically survive the coming environmental crisis.

I can hear that and understand that point of view of the environmentalists/Greens just fine. I can also say that, from that perspective, the assertion that Clinton and Trump are "the same" is still flat wrong.

Yes, in the future-state scenarios of presidencies of each candidate, strong pressure will needs to be applied. With a Clinton future, the lever that needs to be push at least has a fulcrum. With a Trump future, is there *any* chance for change at all?
posted by Sublimity at 4:42 AM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


This is absolutely going to be a realignment election. We suspected as much months ago, but the expected axis of shit was to be establishment/insurgent. People started to imagine scenarios that radically changed the nature of electoral politics. Then Sanders lost, and in normal electoral terms there was no reason to believe Clinton would do anything but shift towards the center, try to shore up against Trump's wild and erratic (but repeatedly successful) attacks from the outside, bunker down, trust the process and grind out a win.

For those of you who know American football: two months ago, Clinton had a two point lead and possession with ninety seconds left to play. She didn't need to score, she just needed to run down the clock and wait. There is a risk involved, of course — if you lose possession, Trump could score and win. But the risk of that happening is smaller than the risk of something going wrong if you try to cinch victory with a dramatic play.

But last night we watched the Democratic nominee for president outline the most progressive policy platform in decades, if ever. Hell, for four days we all watched her set up for it! Bringing on a set of speakers that taken as a whole led to the same conclusion: something dramatic is happening. The Democratic party is claiming a different expanse of territory this time, and doing it under the guidance of the first ever woman nominated for president by a major party.

Again to the football metaphor: this was the quarterback taking the field in the above scenario, and not lining up in the formation to take a knee, or run the ball up the middle 3 times. Nor was she trying to run a hurry-up, no-huddle offense and looking desperate or unprepared. She strode out to the middle of the field and told her team, okay, we're using the new playbook. We've been practicing it and we know it. We're not playing this situationally, we're not reacting to the circumstances; we're running our plays. And now, despite already being in a narrow lead, they're absolutely stomping the shit out of the other team.

It's a realignment election. The Democrats are going to force the Republican hand; once Trump gets crushed, they'll have to have the long, dark night of the soul we've all been hoping would happen to them, and determine what they're identity is going to be going forward. But for once, the Dems are going to press their advantage. Run up the score. Really make something of this chance that they have, that we ALL have, to take one of those punctuated-equilibrium leaps that are required now and then to move things along. It's a realignment along the axis of progressive and conservative, but it's also an attempt to realign along the axis of what government should be vs. what it can be, what's desirable vs. what's possible. It's ambitious as hell, but we'll never in our lifetimes get another chance this good to make it happen. So now it's our turn to get out the vote, donate, volunteer, phone bank, leaflet: dig your fucking cleats into the fucking turf and land your fucking blocks, because if she starts making the plays she says she's trying to make, we'll all have Super Bowl rings this time next year.
posted by penduluum at 4:43 AM on July 29, 2016 [94 favorites]


I heard Chuck Todd say that now Trump is distancing himself from the RNC, saying he didn't really have anything to do with it. I can't find anything else about it but I hope it's true because I am in the mood for a delicious breakfast.
posted by Room 641-A at 5:11 AM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


rorgy, that was seriously brilliant and just what I needed to read this morning. Wow. I'm not as eloquent as you are, but you've got me thinking seriously about all the positive aspects of fandom and tumblr and the impact that engagement in that arena has on opening you up to different perspectives and passions, and interacting with people you might never come across in your ordinary meatspace life. The inclusivity, diversity and enthusiasm you mentioned reminds me strongly of a fan convention I attended a few weeks ago. Listening, and being heard and seen, respect, feminism, playfulness...now that you've inspired me to make the connection, my mind feels a little blown. Now I'm thinking about transformative works as well, and how as fans it's natural to love a source text so much that you feel completely comfortable tearing it apart and remixing it to explore different perspectives and outcomes, to fix things where you think the author(s) went wrong. No wonder Hamilton is such a good fit. Gonna stop blurting these nascent thoughts all over the thread now, but thanks for making me think. That's why I love metafilter! :D
posted by the thought-fox at 5:13 AM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


Last week, other polls showed Trump with a 10-point lead. Missouri polling from the St Louis Dispatch:

Clinton: 41
Trump: 40


And that was conducted over the weekend before the convention.
posted by zombieflanders at 5:15 AM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


Finally caught up with the Rev. Barber's speech. My god - a firebrand liberal preacher. I never dared to hope. If he's got a moment and feels like stopping by Lambeth to borrow the Archbishopric, I'll lure ++Justin out the back with the promise of cucumber sandwiches and gin.

And n'thing rorgy's post - especially the codicil. We have had frontier Internet culture for twenty years, and mass migration for ten. It's been darn close to civil war. Is it time for the Reconstruction?
posted by Devonian at 5:15 AM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


After Lying Low, Deep-Pocketed Clinton Donors Return to the Fore
After a wrenching yearlong nominating battle with searing debates over the influence of Wall Street and the ability of ordinary citizens to be heard over the din of dollars changing hands, the party’s moneyed elite returned to the fore this week, undeterred and mostly unabashed.

While protesters marched in the streets and blocked traffic, Democratic donors congregated in a few reserved hotels and shuttled between private receptions with A-list elected officials. If the talk onstage at the Wells Fargo Center was about reducing inequality and breaking down barriers, Center City Philadelphia evoked the world as it still often is: a stratified society with privilege and access determined by wealth.
posted by Noisy Pink Bubbles at 5:17 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


Also -

See? See what it feels like not to live in fear?
posted by Devonian at 5:18 AM on July 29, 2016 [16 favorites]




Something that is bothering me - a lot of the GOP defectors / GOP-leaning commentators are making the point that Democrats are taking the "mantle" of the Republicans. As if we haven't been loving our country. As if a lot of us haven't been deeply invested in our religious faiths. As if we haven't known and loved our military service members, who are part of our families just as much as anyone else's. As if we haven't had hope for the future.

I wasn't around in the 70s, so I can't testify to that. But it's BULLSHIT to claim these things belong to any one party, that somehow we are taking them from the GOP. I protested against the war because I love my country, my faith taught me unjust war is morally wrong, and I value the lives of our military. I voted for Kerry and Obama because I wanted to make sure my fellow Americans have the same opportunities as I was blessed to have in this country. I fight for the movement for black lives, for a path to citizenship for people who risked everything to come here, for equal pay and fair treatment for women, because I deeply believe in my Constitution and the spirit of this country.

Maybe we haven't had as much time to wave flags - we've been busy fighting to drag this country into the 21st century millimeter by millimeter. Our hands have been full. But make no mistake - what you're seeing in this convention are not new feelings, but long-treasured, precious feelings that have come to the forefront because they are being threatened like never before in my lifetime.
posted by sallybrown at 5:26 AM on July 29, 2016 [91 favorites]


Yeah, rorgy, great ideas and a coherent view. Now, does someone have a nice 5000 word tutorial on how to Tumblr for former Reddit users? You know, some kind of off-ramp.
posted by persona at 5:30 AM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]




I don't know what voodoo they did, but I can't explain to myself how she managed to make it super progressive and yet somehow very much appealing to conservatives, I mean how did she do that? It was masterful.

I was trying to explain this to my husband this morning and kind of failed. I think a lot of pundit ink is going to be spilled in the next couple weeks trying to figure out the algebra of this. I think it's something about using American exceptionalism in service to (rather than in spite of) Progressive ideals which isn't something we've had since the mid-20th Century. Which I don't love, but I think enough of us on the left realize that we lose when we get mealy-mouthed about 'merica fuck yeah. And this year when we're up against American exceptionalism weaponized as actual fascism, this is the fire we have to fight the other fire with. I'm realistic about that and I hope my other friends on the Left can see that this rhetoric is to some extent an expedient means. Not completely. Clinton is for sure an interventionist when it comes to the role of our military in the world, but as has been said many times in these threads, that is not always a bad thing. There legitimately are people around the world who are terrified at Trump's threats to retract our overseas presence because there are other powers champing at the bit to get a little of their Empire on. So, a little pragmatism can go a long way here. But the marrying of that with an extremely Progressive domestic agenda is the magic here that will hopefully turn the heads of Independent and moderate Republican voters. It's positioning the Democrats as the party of patriotism and the Republicans as a cult of personality.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:59 AM on July 29, 2016 [21 favorites]


Something that is bothering me - a lot of the GOP defectors / GOP-leaning commentators are making the point that Democrats are taking the "mantle" of the Republicans. As if we haven't been loving our country. As if a lot of us haven't been deeply invested in our religious faiths.

The religious thing is itself an example of the same thing happening in Christianity right now. For years many center-to-left people of faith were (and are) the quiet majority of Christians, while your Falwells and Mark Driscolls and other assorted scumbags brayed like a bunch of jackasses about Jesus (when they were mostly focused on Paul and money) and came to represent that.

The quiet majority were mostly quiet, because reasonable people know how to behave in public. Tim LaHaye's "Left Behind" theology was a dumbass fringe idea that was literally called out as heresy. Driscoll's a bully who to my mind bears the marks of a man with a secret substance abuse problem. But jackasses know that braying works, that noise matters way more than numbers, so hee-haw, hee-haw.

So, for a while, they largely controlled the framing of "Christian", just as a party who watched an entire generation decimated by AIDS and laughed and applauded, a party that routinely demonstrates its burning contempt for the least of these, claimed ownership of "family values" and "patriotism". Patriotism to them is worrying about lapel pins, and family values is about your thoughts on a whopping two political issues. But it doesn't matter that there's no substance, it doesn't matter that the rest of us love country and family just as much and may even have thought about them more deeply, because hee-haw, hee-haw.

Those talking about the GOP mantle understand that he who controls the central issue of a debate wins, and in the court of public opinion, that's largely about who's the loudest and least likely to shut up. Facts don't matter anymore. Feelings do.
posted by middleclasstool at 6:04 AM on July 29, 2016 [29 favorites]


Agreed that it's bullshit, but at least it's a little progress. Ever since Nixon & Reagan, Republicans have assumed Democrats were maybe borderline traitors. Certainly not real Americans. Maybe we can finally call an end to that. Between the DNC's relentless optimism and Trump giving open support to America's rivals, then perhaps most Republicans will finally realize patriotism doesn't follow party lines.

Then again, I remember John Cole's "Peak Wingnut" (and echoed by several others) in the glee of 2008 and how that turned out. In recent history, when in doubt, always assume the Republicans will double-down on whatever insanity they've embraced.

Though maybe that's too pessimistic. Many Republicans are openly praising the DNC in ways I never thought I'd see. In my own state, several Republicans running in the August 2 primary are sounding more and more like Democrats. Vowing to defend the school system and roads from our teabagger governor. Using the typical local Republican battle cry of "Take Kansas Back" from the implied traitors, only this time the unpatriotic forces of evil are those who are slashing taxes and de-funding schools. It's a twist, a hopeful one, and perhaps a sign the Republicans can reform themselves from within.
posted by honestcoyote at 6:06 AM on July 29, 2016 [10 favorites]


"Mr. Trump, have you ever read the constitution of the United States? I'll gladly lend you my copy." That's going to be one of those electoral zingers that people remember for decades in US political history, along with "Read my lips – no taxes", "It's the economy, stupid" and "You're no Jack Kennedy." The remarkable thing is it was made, not by one of the candidates, but an ordinary person with a story who got one of short, non-prime-time speaking slots at the convention.
posted by nangar at 6:10 AM on July 29, 2016 [43 favorites]


For me, the key line of Khan's speech was "You have sacrificed nothing - and no one." Trump has never done a single thing for his country that was not out of self-interest. He has no love of country or love of others; he loves only himself.
posted by sallybrown at 6:12 AM on July 29, 2016 [54 favorites]


I think that, at heart, most Americans are liberals in the classical sense: we believe that society works best when you create conditions of equality and freedom and then allow people, ideas, businesses, etc. to compete freely. We just have really different ideas about what equality and freedom look like. And I think right now, Democrats are doing a better job articulating a vision of equality and freedom, mostly because Trump isn't even trying. So Democratic rhetoric is resonating more with many Americans, including many conservative Americans, because many Americans are going to prefer any classically liberal vision to Trump, whose appeal is rooted in a populist authoritarian tradition which is very different.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:15 AM on July 29, 2016 [15 favorites]




Just finished the Clinton speech. I'm going to need more than a minute to unpack and I don't think I can add very much that hasn't been said here already but damn: I'm with her.

And another thing, w/r/t Hamilton. I was listening to it on the way home last night and was struck especially by the lines she quoted, "planting the seeds of a garden we will never get to see," and I was thinking about my own life, specifically, "what does that look like today?"

And I love the way that she framed her speech with the revolution, that the work of our founders isn't complete, that America isn't complete, and that most excitingly we all get to participate in that work. And it doesn't mean that I get everything that I want but it means that the seeds are planted so the garden keeps growing and our children (and their children) can continue to reap the harvest and plant new seeds.

In that light, without irony or cynicism, let me say: I'm proud to be an American.
posted by Tevin at 6:26 AM on July 29, 2016 [25 favorites]


> Something that is bothering me - a lot of the GOP defectors / GOP-leaning commentators are making the point that Democrats are taking the "mantle" of the Republicans. As if we haven't been loving our country. As if a lot of us haven't been deeply invested in our religious faiths. As if we haven't known and loved our military service members, who are part of our families just as much as anyone else's. As if we haven't had hope for the future.

The Republican Party has always supported inclusion, diversity and democratic socialism! Don't take Eisenhower from us!

The screaming you hear is the sound of a political realignment happening. And it's been a bit noisy on the Dem side too.
posted by nangar at 6:27 AM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


I don't know what voodoo they did, but I can't explain to myself how she managed to make it super progressive and yet somehow very much appealing to conservatives, I mean how did she do that? It was masterful.

My take on this was that the entire convention took the progressive idea of intersectionality and made it a two-party concept.

Typical discussions of intersectionality are about privilege or the ways that bias is leveraged against people along multiple axes. So all of the lady Ghostbusters were dragged by internet misogyny, but Leslie Jones had it worse because she also got the internet’s vile racism.

But Clinton has basically taken intersectionality and used it to point out that it crosses political lines. So you have a sheriff in uniform talking about hard working cops— but she’s a Hispanic lesbian. You have the family of a military hero who died saving his comrades in battle and pledging their love to the US Constitution— but they are Muslim. You have the mother of a gay man killed in the Orlando shooting talking about gun control and LGBT rights— but she’s a former state trooper.

At every point, this convention’s new intersectionality was saying: those “buts” don’t have to be there. Each one can be an “and” in the new Democratic Party. This party can contain multitudes. There are a lot of people who care about issues that don’t break down by party lines. You can oppose Tom Delay as a Republican operative AND respect him as an adoptive father. You can dislike certain Democratic Party actions AND join them to make a difference. You can be a Bernie supporter AND help Hillary Clinton stump for downticket races to elect more progressive local candidates. You can reject Bloomberg’s perspective on educational policy AND welcome his support in attempting to woo reluctant Republicans. You can be skeeved out by Bill Clinton’s past behavior AND be impressed that he’s embracing the FLOTUS role with such care and disruption of gender roles. You can be repulsed by Hillary Clinton’s mention of drones AND be impressed by her work on disability rights.

In a way, this vision of intersectionality is a complete rebuttal of ad hominem attacks. You can disagree and still coordinate, you can oppose someone while also looking out for their best interests, you can clash but still view one another as human. It is an explosion of partisan philosophies.

I love it. I want more of it. It is a wonk’s philosophy of “what do we have to do to make this work” made enormous and beautiful.
posted by a fiendish thingy at 6:36 AM on July 29, 2016 [256 favorites]


Tarumba: "I don't know anything about Mark Cuban or who he is"

He's a rich guy - he made his pile selling Broadcast.com to Yahoo. He's mostly known at this point for owning the Dallas Mavericks basketball team and being kind of a loudmouth.

His political views tend toward the Rand-ian, but to his credit, he's been extremely critical of Trump.
posted by Chrysostom at 6:37 AM on July 29, 2016




But last night we watched the Democratic nominee for president outline the most progressive policy platform in decades, if ever. Hell, for four days we all watched her set up for it! Bringing on a set of speakers that taken as a whole led to the same conclusion: something dramatic is happening. The Democratic party is claiming a different expanse of territory this time, and doing it under the guidance of the first ever woman nominated for president by a major party.

Republican intransience and complete lack of interest in a functioning government has set this up. They've freed Clinton from the constraints of the realistic to a great extent, because she and everyone paying the tiniest bit of attention knows that nothing she proposed last night can get done with the current Congress anyway. She needs to inspire a total Republican wipeout, or they'll continue with the same unhinged reflexive obstruction they've used against Obama for 8 years. So why not swing for the fences? Free college? Social Security expansion? Tax raises to pay for it? Assuming she can beat Trump under almost any scenario ::knocks on wood::, there's no downside for her promising everyone a unicorn last night. Either it works and she gets a once in a lifetime chance to see if unicorns can pass a progressive majority Congress, or it doesn't and she can keep blaming Republicans for why we all don't have a unicorn yet.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:39 AM on July 29, 2016 [17 favorites]


Pinning it on Congress is critical. Obama is a moderate, in the temperamental sense, and just couldn't grasp that the Congressional GOP was not interested in giving a single millimeter.

If she comes out guns blazing - think of Truman's relentless tarring of the "Do Nothing Eightieth Congress" - I think she can own them on it. Otherwise, she gets called ineffective.
posted by Chrysostom at 6:43 AM on July 29, 2016 [9 favorites]


Has anyone seen detailed analysis of just how big a wave we would need to take back the House?
posted by sallybrown at 6:43 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


Also, the Secret Service has to be freaking the fuck out with all those popping balloons.

Anyone in need of a post-convention moment of Zen should consider watching this gif of someone whose job it was to pop those balloons:

"This is somebody's job right now!!!!!!!!!"

Also, I'm hoping he had to get special clearance to go in there with the box cutter.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 6:48 AM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


Has anyone seen detailed analysis of just how big a wave we would need to take back the House?

538: "If Democrats’ seat share continues to lag their national vote share by about 4 percentage points in 2016, the party might need to win about 8 percent more votes than Republicans nationally just to reach the barest possible majority of 218 seats."

But a national advantage doesn't necessarily translate 1:1 to the House races, it might be even more than that to assure long enough coattails.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:49 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


Here's a bit from Sam Wang on it. He's saying about a 4.5 point gap in Congressional preference. Not sure what that means in terms of HRC margin - they are related, but don't move in lockstep.
posted by Chrysostom at 6:49 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


Just posted to my own FB feed, but I thought I would share it with you, since so many of you pushed me along the way through these threads:

I'm excited that ‪#‎ImWithHerNow‬ is trending on the Twitter. As my friend Raymond wrote, "Busters are embarrassing the revolution. Losing the nomination won't hinder us. Opting out of this massive gathering of compassion and intelligence certainly will."

I have not always been a Clinton voter. Three months ago, I'm pretty sure I thought I wouldn't be able to cast a vote for her. But damn, if she has not put in the time, thought, and determination to earn my respect and my vote. And far be it for me to not use the privilege of my skin color, my college degree, my meager wallet and my talents, to do everything I can to ensure that those who have nothing in this country at least get a president who cares about their future.

In the words of Erick Erickson, "If you are a Republican, you should watch [Khizr Khan's speech] and be ashamed of what you have done."

posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:50 AM on July 29, 2016 [53 favorites]


> "Has anyone seen detailed analysis of just how big a wave we would need to take back the House?"

Princeton Election Consortium estimates that it would take a generic D-vs.-R advantage of about 4.5 percentage points -- I believe this means an "across the country" average of about 52.25% to 47.75% in favor of Democrats, if I am understanding correctly. The most recent polls (which predate the Democratic Convention) aren't there, but they were there during most of July.

Source
posted by kyrademon at 6:51 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


They should have hired Twinkie to pop all the balloons.
posted by moonmilk at 6:52 AM on July 29, 2016 [10 favorites]


Sam Wang's analysis is two days out-of-date, but even so Clinton bumped up from 80% to 85% odds.

538 still runs conservative, but Clinton's back above 60%, and I assume that'll jump back to 70-80 once the latest polls come in.
posted by rorgy at 6:52 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think a lot of pundit ink is going to be spilled in the next couple weeks trying to figure out the algebra of this. I think it's something about using American exceptionalism in service to (rather than in spite of) Progressive ideals which isn't something we've had since the mid-20th Century.

We won, that's what happenned. We won, and we are now in the position of power and get/have to play defense. Democratic values are American values. Inclusion, diversity, tolerance --- this is the mainstream. Everything the Republicans have been doing in the past few years has been them kicking and screaming and trying to deny this has happenned and they have failed. A black man is president. A women will be. People who had no power under the old WASP supremacy will have to be listened to. And that means the old victors are lost and resentful.

The old left and the old right are dead. The left is now the establishment. It's no longer long hairs vs the crew cuts. We get the buzz cuts on our side and we control the drones because the money men and the brass agree with us: The US must be international in its outlook, and use its power to help make the world more free, that human rights are universal right and that we should work toward a world in which each individual can exercise them to their fullest extent, no matter where they're born, that's that the best road to human happiness. Free bodies, free minds, free speech, free trade. All ours, now.

Perhaps that sounds like pabulum. Like something everyone believes, like fighting for the principle that the sky is blue. It's not, though. Conservatism is mostly a dead letter. The reason the GOP has finally imploded is that it could no longer manage its sustaininging fiction: That their voters cared about limited government. They don't. GOP voters like social security and medicaid just fine. They had welfare and international aid. The party had been run by ideologues who genuinely do what to turn the clock back to some pre-New Deal, hell, pre-Civil War version of the federal government, with no social programs and big heavy regulatory sticks. That is simply not a majority position in 2016 America.

What might be a majority position, softened and you know, not voiced by an incompetant, is some nouvea fascism. That American is an ethnicity. That there are rules about who counts as one and who doesn't. That other countries are our enemies and rivals, and any time we make a deal with them real Americans lose --- jobs, power, prestige. That in order to be the best we must be most powerful and destroy all who would oppose us, bind us together in the fight to make ourselves great. Bind lesser nations to us by fear and need. That we work together for the nation, not for ourselves. A mirror image of Putin's pitch. That's why Trump likes him so well.

The convention last night gives me hope that that won't work this time. But Trump didn't get so far on nothing. There's a real fear out there which can be tapped. It's about the economy. The Dems are the party of the winners, mostly. Silicon Valley, that's ours. Wall Street, too. The Universities. The people for whom the system is working just fine. The losers --- the beta males et al --- will find other places to join. And if the Dems can't do something to fix the economy so it works for everyone, there may be a lot of angry losers out there waiting to be harnessed. That's a problem. Because I read a lot of economic news, and frankly from what I can tell the economists don't have a clue why things are so fucked up nor how to fix them.
posted by maggiepolitt at 6:55 AM on July 29, 2016 [39 favorites]


I'm excited that ‪#‎ImWithHerNow‬ is trending on the Twitter.

I was, and then I looked at it, and a lot of BernBros are using it to be like sure, I'm with her-- JILL STEIN NOT SHILLARY HA HA GOTCHAAAAAAAAA

So, uhh. Not as inspirational as I had hoped.
posted by a fiendish thingy at 6:59 AM on July 29, 2016


Maybe we haven't had as much time to wave flags - we've been busy fighting to drag this country into the 21st century millimeter by millimeter. Our hands have been full. But make no mistake - what you're seeing in this convention are not new feelings, but long-treasured, precious feelings that have come to the forefront because they are being threatened like never before in my lifetime.
posted by sallybrown at 8:26 AM on July 29 [−] Favorite added!

Oh my goodness, sallybrown, so spot on.

Us older lefties, liberals, progressive, Democrats remember the days when any criticism of America was seen as treasonous. Those bumper stickers: America, Love It or Leave It were everywhere, and it was shorthand for don't say anything bad about the President (unless he is a Democrat) our legislators, or our military. Any sort of civil protest was pointed at as the real problem with our country. Yessirre! everythings fine and anyone who thinks so is a commie pinko or a rabble rouser or a punk ass kid.

But everything is not 100% fine. It never has been much as some people would like to think so. To complain about unfair wages or police brutality or treatment of the LGBTs meant that somehow we on the Left were not patriotic. The "true" patriots wrapped themselves up in the flags and the fireworks and the Star Spangled Banner so those things became tainted for us on the Left.

Fortunately, unfortunately, certain areas of Americanism have gotten so bad that it is no longer treasonous to point it out. Like little frightened woodland creatures we are coming out and saying, "It's my country too. I love America Too. But it can be better. Let's talk."
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:59 AM on July 29, 2016 [21 favorites]


Trump to NYT after Democratic convention w/higher ratings, production values: "I didn’t produce our show. I just showed up for final speech"

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Trump is currently having a hissy fit live on Twitter slagging off every name he can remember.
posted by Talez at 7:01 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


You can't win the country by dismissing everyone except white collar workers as 'angry losers'.

The Democratic Party used to be the party of the workers. It needs to return to that in its search for what works.
posted by winna at 7:01 AM on July 29, 2016 [10 favorites]


I love that the instructions for the counter chants included:
"Black lives matter" "Join them."


Am I the only one who thought Join us! Join us! (Evil Dead clip)?
posted by filthy light thief at 7:04 AM on July 29, 2016


Just heard Bill Clinton described as "the candidate's spouse" on the top of the hour NPR news report without any reference to his name. Morning in America for real.
posted by longdaysjourney at 7:05 AM on July 29, 2016 [40 favorites]


Anyone in need of a post-convention moment of Zen should consider watching this gif of someone whose job it was to pop those balloons:

"This is somebody's job right now!!!!!!!!!"


My wife saw the balloons and said "Oh no, the poor janitors! AND NOW CONFETTI? NO!"
posted by filthy light thief at 7:07 AM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


In the words of Erick Erickson, "If you are a Republican, you should watch [Khizr Khan's speech] and be ashamed of what you have done."

Does he include himself? Because he's been seriously fanning bigotry flames for a while.
posted by R343L at 7:07 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


a fiendish thingy just made me cry.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 7:08 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh, and a shout out to Xavier Becerra for remembering to thank the janitors and food service workers and security staff. That's a union guy right there.
posted by Sophie1 at 7:12 AM on July 29, 2016 [64 favorites]


can't make a balomelet without poppin a few balloons

Man, you just inadvertently gave me a new use for fried bologna
posted by middleclasstool at 7:15 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump is currently having a hissy fit live on Twitter slagging off every name he can remember.

Even without the time stamp, you can almost pinpoint the moment his staff gave him his phone back.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:15 AM on July 29, 2016 [23 favorites]


I wonder how many Rs are going to put up with Trump slagging off a four star general.
posted by Talez at 7:17 AM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


Wanna go on record as saying that I completely missed Khan's speech and my lament about the lack of representation for Muslims was inappropriate. My bad, guys.
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:22 AM on July 29, 2016 [39 favorites]


My favorite Brooks comment was that the balloon drop appeared to be "extremely badly distributed" yes, there is no observation so petty Brooks can't make it.

I still want one of those giant star balloons.
posted by emjaybee at 7:24 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


the lack of representation for Muslims

it's cool we got your muslims covered just so long as they've got a dead veteran kid and are very patriotic and have no controversial views or a bad accent. no problem
posted by dis_integration at 7:24 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bernie delegate told me "microaggressions" kept them from disrupting historic speech. Many in tears after "being marginalized"

I don't quite understand what the above means. Can someone help me parse it? What were the microaggressions? Just people shushing them to be quiet? Or does it refer to something else?
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 7:25 AM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


it's cool we got your muslims covered just so long as they've got a dead veteran kid

Keith Ellison, who delivered a very good speech, will be so sad to find out about his loss.
posted by mcstayinskool at 7:27 AM on July 29, 2016 [51 favorites]


My wife saw the balloons and said "Oh no, the poor janitors! AND NOW CONFETTI? NO!"

Hah. I had the exact same thought. Maybe because for all of my adult life I've been in charge of cleaning up the house.

My husband works nights. When he came home this morning I asked if he had had a chance to see any of Rev. Barber's speech because it was a barn burner. He hadn't heard a thing about it. He heard about all about Mr. Khan's speech but for some reason WRAL (Raleigh) has not seen fit to mention Rev. Barber at all. They do now, I just checked, but you have to hunt for it. Clinton's speech is on the front page.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:28 AM on July 29, 2016


Presumably, "micro-agressions" means "not just letting them be as disruptive as they want."
posted by Chrysostom at 7:29 AM on July 29, 2016 [16 favorites]


What were the microaggressions?
I think that was when the crowd chanted 'Hillary' any time they heard another chant starting. Which is less a microaggression and more a primal form of democracy.
posted by localhuman at 7:29 AM on July 29, 2016 [23 favorites]


it's cool we got your muslims covered just so long as they've got a dead veteran kid and are very patriotic and have no controversial views or a bad accent. no problem

Yeah. I thought the Democrats were a big tent party? Where's the brown guy wearing his thawb, screaming "ALLAHU AKBAR" holding a scimitar, right? /s

They just want to live their lives and be part of the American community like everyone else and if bigots think they haven't earned it by their skin color they sure as hell earned it through loss.
posted by Talez at 7:30 AM on July 29, 2016 [11 favorites]


Pretty successful convention, I guess, if the most biting complaint one can muster is that the DNC only had a bunch of decent and patriotic Muslims address the convention, and refused to allow horrible and unpatriotic Muslims to take the stage.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 7:30 AM on July 29, 2016 [16 favorites]


it's cool we got your muslims covered just so long as they've got a dead veteran kid

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is wondering who died.
posted by Sophie1 at 7:30 AM on July 29, 2016 [75 favorites]




Presumably, "micro-agressions" means "not just letting them be as disruptive as they want."

Democracy isn't about things like who people voted for! It's about how right we think we are and how long we can hold out in protest!
posted by Talez at 7:30 AM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]



Keith Ellison, who delivered a very good speech, will be so sad to find out about his loss.

Poor Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:32 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


The microaggression thing is super weird to me because they were literally trying to shout over a woman speaking, trying to shout her down and silence her. And THEY'RE the ones suffering the microaggressions? I feel like there has to be something else to it, like actual threats or something.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 7:32 AM on July 29, 2016 [15 favorites]


Trump is currently having a hissy fit live on Twitter slagging off every name he can remember.

Even without the time stamp, you can almost pinpoint the moment his staff gave him his phone back.


"Very average scream" would be an awesome band name.
posted by nubs at 7:33 AM on July 29, 2016 [11 favorites]


Honest question:

Is there evidence that trade agreements reduce the occurrence of military conflicts between partners? This seems like something that should be true, but the data set would be so small I don't know if it's something that is more than anecdotally true.

In any event, were that the case, it would seem to me that establishing a network of global trade (in such a way that does not give away the farm or subject human beings to destitution, natch) would be a very important part of strengthening global peace projects.
posted by GameDesignerBen at 7:33 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


Bernie delegate told me "microaggressions" kept them from disrupting historic speech. Many in tears after "being marginalized"

"Maybe if I use these social justice buzzwords, people won't notice that I don't have an argument."

Dollars to donuts that delegate became a Democrat in the last calendar year.
posted by tonycpsu at 7:33 AM on July 29, 2016 [35 favorites]


I am running against a human poop emoji, so, you know, there’s that.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 6:37 AM on July 29 [−]

Forgot to mention that this amused me to no end. I could quote from it all day long.
I have ridden here on the backs of a thousand essays entitled, CAN WOMEN HAVE IT ALL? I knitted this suit from the untrimmed arm hairs of a thousand straw-man feminists. It took a village.

I have had to hear the word “cankle” more times than a human being should have to hear any word. I’ve heard other words, too. And still, like the price of a pumpkin spice latte or the endowment of the Clinton foundation, I rise.

Do you want to have another Benghazi hearing? Because I have a suit and a bored expression all picked out, and I will sit through it.
I really need to start paying the Washington Post, they have become my record of choice.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:34 AM on July 29, 2016 [39 favorites]


Oh god, I missed that aspect of his speech, too, when I watched it today. I wish I hadn't said anything at all. I did not do my homework on this.

no Hermione jokes on this, please; I am legit disappointed in/ashamed of my ignorance right now
posted by Hermione Granger at 7:34 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


Sarah Orsborn ‏@erniebufflo
@CharlotteAlter @joshtpm I feel like we need to know the ethnicity of this marginalized Bernie supporter.

Charlotte Alter ‏@CharlotteAlter
@erniebufflo @joshtpm white male. Obviously. Pennsylvania.


I'm shocked. Shocked. Well, not really shocked. Charlotte Alter was the one who talked to the marginalized supporter.
posted by Talez at 7:35 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


To be fair, I think they asked KAJ to speak not mostly because he's Muslim but mostly because he is 25 feet tall and therefore can say absolutely anything at all and Trump, as the relative "little," will have to sit and listen respectfully.

If Michael Bloomberg ran again for Mayor of New York, he wouldn't get 10% of the vote - they would run him out of town! #NeverHillary

"Little" Michael Bloomberg, who never had the guts to run for president, knows nothing about me. His last term as Mayor was a disaster!


Now there's an idea, Donald! Run for mayor! #NotEvenTheRain
posted by Don Pepino at 7:36 AM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


Andre Carson, former police officer, rep from Indiana and Muslim also spoke.
posted by Sophie1 at 7:37 AM on July 29, 2016 [12 favorites]


Dollars to donuts that delegate became a Democrat in the last calendar year.

Oh, it's at least as likely they've been a lifelong liberal. I'm far from the first to point this out, but some of my fellow liberals are less invested in winning or successful compromise than they are in maintaining an image of themselves as a beleaguered underdog at the butt end of an unjust universe.
posted by middleclasstool at 7:38 AM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


Is there evidence that trade agreements reduce the occurrence of military conflicts between partners? This seems like something that should be true, but the data set would be so small I don't know if it's something that is more than anecdotally true.

The short answer is no. Some people argued it was true, like Friedman, but we have counterexamples. (Ukraine and Russia for example had extremely favorable trade relations, but there they go, shooting at each other).

More plausible is the Democratic peace theory, but proving that true depends on how you define democracies.
posted by dis_integration at 7:40 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm so sorry I haven't been able to participate in these threads, but so thankful for them. You all kept me connected to the amazing things that happened this week, and helped me to feel what I was missing.

I must confess: before this week, I was a tepid Clinton supporter. Having lived through the 90s as a young adult, I clearly had absorbed much of the propaganda about Hillary on some level. I never thought she was evil or anything, but also was fed enough shit that I never bothered to look beyond the various media narratives and counter-narratives.

This convention has made me do that, it's made me see Hillary Clinton more clearly as she actually is and has been all along. I am so thankful for that because, what an astonishing person! Turns out she is someone I will be proud to vote for. I know I am far from alone on this, too. I think the narrative on HRC is likely permanently shifted--FINALLY.

Also, on Wednesday evening, I had the privilege of telling about 100 teenagers that, for the first time, a major political party of the U. S. had nominated a woman for president. Many of them shrugged, of course (teenagers!), but many of the girls in the group understood, and lit up at the news. It was just terrific seeing the pride in those girls' faces, let me tell you.
posted by LooseFilter at 7:41 AM on July 29, 2016 [37 favorites]


To be fair, I think they asked KAJ to speak not mostly because he's Muslim but mostly because he is 25 feet tall

He had a lapel mic on his tie. I imagine the sound guy being asked if he could raise the lectern mic and just laughing.

"Stu, I can barely reach his fucking tie to pin this thing on him. The lectern mic literally doesn't have the range."
posted by Etrigan at 7:42 AM on July 29, 2016 [11 favorites]


This seems like something that should be true, but the data set would be so small I don't know if it's something that is more than anecdotally true.

Small and small...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French–German_enmity#Chronology
posted by effbot at 7:45 AM on July 29, 2016


dis_integration: it's cool we got your muslims covered just so long as they've got a dead veteran kid and are very patriotic and have no controversial views or a bad accent. no problem

The Khans were introduced by Kareem Abdul Jabbar, who is also Muslim. You can watch Congressional Representative Keith Ellison's speech here. He happens to be Muslim as well. Mr. Khan does indeed have an accent, and his English was not perfect.

But that's all besides the point, isn't it? Because Trump's plan to ban Muslim immigrants doesn't separate them into "Good" and "Bad."

Trump's narrative since last December has been that Muslims (American and non,) are a threat to the US. Giving the father of one of the 13 American Muslims who have been Killed in Action since 9/11 a stage where he could speak to the nation was important. Especially after the racism we witnessed at the RNC last week.

What better way to show Republican fearmongering for what it is? Mr. Khan's speech showed that the Republican platform position that Muslims are evil subversive terrorists -- an Other to be feared -- were lies, and provided a living example that Muslims do indeed live in and die for our country, its principles and our citizens.

a fiendish thingy said it perfectly:
Typical discussions of intersectionality are about privilege or the ways that bias is leveraged against people along multiple axes. So all of the lady Ghostbusters were dragged by internet misogyny, but Leslie Jones had it worse because she also got the internet’s vile racism.

But Clinton has basically taken intersectionality and used it to point out that it crosses political lines. So you have a sheriff in uniform talking about hard working cops— but she’s a Hispanic lesbian. You have the family of a military hero who died saving his comrades in battle and pledging their love to the US Constitution— but they are Muslim. You have the mother of a gay man killed in the Orlando shooting talking about gun control and LGBT rights— but she’s a former state trooper.

At every point, this convention’s new intersectionality was saying: those “buts” don’t have to be there. Each one can be an “and” in the new Democratic Party. This party can contain multitudes. There are a lot of people who care about issues that don’t break down by party lines. You can oppose Tom Delay as a Republican operative AND respect him as an adoptive father. You can dislike certain Democratic Party actions AND join them to make a difference. You can be a Bernie supporter AND help Hillary Clinton stump for downticket races to elect more progressive local candidates. You can reject Bloomberg’s perspective on educational policy AND welcome his support in attempting to woo reluctant Republicans. You can be skeeved out by Bill Clinton’s past behavior AND be impressed that he’s embracing the FLOTUS role with such care and disruption of gender roles. You can be repulsed by Hillary Clinton’s mention of drones AND be impressed by her work on disability rights.

posted by zarq at 7:45 AM on July 29, 2016 [60 favorites]


the "left" can be reduced to haircuts? the "left" should drone bomb people

I'm not making an argument about what the left should or should not do. I'm making an argument about what the Democratic party represents, why it was the DNC and not the RNC that had a stage full of generals giving it their full throated support. Back in the Cold War, both major parties were internationalist in outlook --- the was a broad consensus that the US needed to be outward looking and use its power to fight communism, for the most part. Communism itself was an outward looking ideology. The revolution would eventually come to all nations.

Communism died. Fukayama, back in the day, said that meant history had ended, that basically everyone everywhere agreed now, capitalism, liberalism, Enlightenment values had won the day and would gradually sweep the globe.

He was wrong. We are seeing a resurgence of nationalism, a rejection of internationalism (Brexit), a rejection perhpas of the Enlightenment concept of human rights (China, Russia). The Dems are the party of human rights, the party that says these values are universal and have to be fought for. Which is in the end the excuse for the drones. That's why its was the Dem convention that had all the talk of American exceptionalism, all the assertions that America is great. The Dems have taken up this mantle. In as much as there is a consituency for straight pacifism, it is a tiny minority position in the US political spectrum.

I'm not making any argument about what the US should or should not do in Syria, whether its strategy is right, whether drone strikes cause more harm than good. I am making the argument that muscular liberal internvationism is the ideology at the core of the party, that the same anlysis that pushed Bill into the Balkens and tempted Hilary into Libya is the one going to be running the show for the forseeable. That is now the establishment position, and the Dems are now the establishment. There wil be plenty of room for a pacifist critique of them, of course. But the old alignments --- where the lefty* side was automatically presumed to be the more peace-inclined, I don't think it holds, anymore. The new dynamic is for the Dem establishment to push for more engagement, more use of military power, and for the whatever becomes of the right to pull for withdrawl and a narrow vision of American's role in the world.

*in convenetional American political discourse, the world is of course much much bigger and more complicated than that
posted by maggiepolitt at 7:45 AM on July 29, 2016 [11 favorites]


Mod note: One comment removed; no matter how much you otherwise may want to discuss something, "here's an insufficiently labeled link to closeup photos of dead children" is the sort of commenting instinct that needs to finish up with closing the tab and walking away for a while, not hitting Post Comment.
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:48 AM on July 29, 2016 [54 favorites]


So the cover of the New York Post today is a snide little sarcastic dig about how Hillary waived her usual speaking fee to appear before the DNC yesterday.

I went to the NY Post Facebook page and posted a counter-question - "So, you're saying that Trump actually CHARGED the RNC for the privilege of accepting their nomination?"

.....I regret nothing.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:48 AM on July 29, 2016 [49 favorites]


that poop emoji article is very good.
posted by andrewcooke at 7:48 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


But the old alignments --- where the lefty* side was automatically presumed to be the more peace-inclined, I don't think it holds, anymore.

You're conflating non-intervention with peace-inclined, though, aren't you?
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 7:49 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm serious. this kind of "thought" - "everything is good because they are on MY side" is, in the long run, FAR more dangerous than 4 years of a fascist.

Hahaha what? I don't know how on earth you got that out of that comment OH WAIT yes I do it's because you're ignoring the entire damn conversation about the importance of the Democrats expanding their umbrella to include people whose ideological purity falls well short of totally good on everything, ever.

"We should be able to work together with people that disagree with us on things" is really damn important, especially when the country is super mega divided like it is right now. It's really important when you do have a majority, too, because eventually opinions will change and you don't want two decades of people shitting all over everything you hold dear the next time they're given half a chance.

To respond to the poster upthread questioning why so many people are frustrated by busters and/or Jill Stein supporters, it this: you can hold insanely progressive ideals and still see the value in having people "on your side", and not immediately be reduced to "no more left-wing than a military general". Idealism and pragmatism aren't polar opposites here. But the way you and others behave, it's like you and only you understand a thing about what ideas are good, and if anybody else reaches any different conclusion than you do it's because they're a blood traitor.

"Being happy that people who aren't seriously liberal are endorsing Hillary Clinton and the mainstream left-wing party is more dangerous than electing Donald Trump" is a nonsense statement.
posted by rorgy at 7:51 AM on July 29, 2016 [45 favorites]


I, uh, I'm wondering what Democratic Party we're talking about that has been consistently peace-inclined or non-interventionist. FDR, Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton and Obama are all democrats who oversaw wars and interventions widely supported within the party.
posted by R343L at 7:53 AM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


So my best beloved cat, Malchik (seen here playing with his Quonsmas present a couple years ago) has been missing for about week. I was going to post a comment last night along the lines of 'If Hillary can't make my cat home, how can she stand up to Putin?' or some other dumb Trumpian non-sequitur. I opted against it, fearing a jinx.

BUT YOU GUYS

Look at this grouchy little fucker that ambled on over while I watered my plants! THANKS HILLARY
posted by palindromic at 7:54 AM on July 29, 2016 [70 favorites]


I'm just going to assume that anyone arguing for Trump because he'd be easier for congress to override or against Hillary because she's a warmonger moneybags was either below the age of reason or in a coma for the eight years of Dubya.
posted by Don Pepino at 7:54 AM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


More generally:

It says so damn much that the holier-than-thou left-wing critics of the DNC programming are making snide, cutting remarks that are totally ineffective because they're rooted in not knowing who actually spoke at the DNC.
posted by rorgy at 7:55 AM on July 29, 2016 [35 favorites]


More generally, I'm really kind of shocked at the Republican commenters all "omg these are republican speeches". Aside from much stronger inclusivity and intersectionality, the DNC seemed pretty heavily within the long history of the post-(WW2)-war party.
posted by R343L at 7:56 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


So my best beloved cat, Malchik (seen here playing with his Quonsmas present a couple years ago) has been missing for about week.

Thorsten?
posted by DynamiteToast at 7:59 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think it was just the tonality. Dems have been tagged as the non-optimistic party for quite some time now.
posted by Chrysostom at 7:59 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


The Republicans decided to embrace "America is a desolate wasteland and only we are the despotic warlords that can protect you," as a message. They left all the positive messaging to the Dems, and the Dems ran with it.
posted by emjaybee at 8:00 AM on July 29, 2016 [20 favorites]


Agree, R343L. And one recent Democratic President who wasn't quite as interventionist -- Bill Clinton -- has been often criticized by those on the left for not doing enough to stop the genocide of millions in Rwanda. Non-intervention isn't always the "peace" option, because there is no "peace" option when slaughter is occurring. Syria is a mess and it seems like there are a hundred different choices to make there, each one just a little worse than the other. But none of the options available is a "peace" option.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 8:00 AM on July 29, 2016 [24 favorites]


Right?! omg these are nothing like republican speeches the preacher shouted out to atheists and the nominee argued in favor of reproductive rights for women and there was a trans person. Sorry, but you have been Left Behind and Tim Lahay is no longer alive to revise the painful truth for you. Get into the tent already.
posted by Don Pepino at 8:01 AM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


I think it was just the tonality.

Agreed. Republicans have long been the party of "America is great and anyone who says anything even slightly less jingoistic is a traitor." Look at their outrage when someone isn't wearing a flag pin when speaking. Look at their tendency to claim even the slightest mention of racial history of the country as "race baiting". Everything is perfect, if you say otherwise, you hate America!

But now that they've nominated a candidate who isn't towing that line, who's exposing their actions instead of following their rhetoric, they're uncomfortably taking a look at the other party. And realizing that the Dems haven't been saying "America isn't great" all along... they've just been saying "let's make it greater."
posted by Roommate at 8:04 AM on July 29, 2016 [11 favorites]


You're conflating non-intervention with peace-inclined, though, aren't you?

Well, mostly I'm making some off the cuff comments on a message board, not writing a thesis with footnotes. These are just my personal thoughts. But it is something I've been mulling over for a while, something that I think is bigger and more lasting that this convention, but which the convention helps to crystalize. I think there's a new realignment happenning in global politics more broadly: Nationalist vs. internationalist. National interest vs. human rights. Unique culture vs global culture. And I think in some way this breaks the old dichotomies. Free trade is internationalist. Support for immigrants is internationalist. (The core bargain of the EU, which Brexit rejects.)

The old core bargain --- left as the party of the poor and the workers, right as the party of the rich and the owners -- I don't know that it works, anymore. There are other, stronger through lines.
posted by maggiepolitt at 8:05 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


emjaybee: The Republicans decided to embrace "America is a desolate wasteland and only we are the despotic warlords that can protect you," as a message. They left all the positive messaging to the Dems, and the Dems ran with it.

So...Donald Trump is Immortan Joe? And Hillary Clinton is one-armed Furiosa? Hmmm... Could work!
posted by wenestvedt at 8:06 AM on July 29, 2016 [11 favorites]


Patriotism to me has become gross because it has been defined as 'my country, right or wrong'. Patriotism as 'my country, let's make it better' is something that I have been longing to hear articulated on the national political scene for my entire adult life.
posted by winna at 8:07 AM on July 29, 2016 [93 favorites]


I just hit my favorite limit for the first time.
This is frustrating but also extremely cool.
posted by pointystick at 8:11 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


Patriotism as 'my country, let's make it better' is something that I have been longing to hear articulated on the national political scene for my entire adult life.

Except it wasn't even that - it was 'our country, let's make it better', which is something that sounds even more foreign - despite the fact that Obama famously had the keynote speech in 2004 articulating the same idea, and ran on a very inclusive platform in 2008. I think the difference is that it wasn't framed as patriotic then, because there was another sort of patriotism still in place to compare it to.
posted by dinty_moore at 8:11 AM on July 29, 2016 [21 favorites]


Now there's an idea, Donald! Run for mayor! #NotEvenTheRain

OMG that hashtag! I think I just broke my (human-sized) favoriting finger I hit it so hard.
posted by Mchelly at 8:12 AM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]



So...Donald Trump is Immortan Joe? And Hillary Clinton is one-armed Furiosa? Hmmm... Could work!


I saw a great vid of "Fight Song" with Mad Max: Fury Road -- I think it was this one -- and I haven't been able to stop seeing that comparison.
posted by Jeanne at 8:13 AM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it definitely made me smile.

Let Me Remind You Fuckers Who I Am
by Hillary Clinton


(medium.com parody, but how I wish it weren't)
posted by danapiper at 8:14 AM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


The Atlantic: A Truth Made Self-Evident: That’s how it works when barriers fall; it’s hard to remember they were ever there at all.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:14 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


I think it was just the tonality. Dems have been tagged as the non-optimistic party for quite some time now.

I think you're right, but that's still really weird. The last two Democratic presidents both built campaigns on optimism to me.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 8:15 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


The US is a nationalistic and militaristic state -- I saw it described as the world's oldest revolutionary republic, and that description fits pretty well -- but it is not an ethnic-nationalist state. It can display ethnic-nationalist tendencies, and has done throughout its history, but they're on weak foundations, particularly in the superpower era.

That's what underpins the world's fears about November: the sense that if a nation mostly descended from immigrants chooses twisted-up ethnic nationalism over the expansive and often painful civic nationalism, we're all fucked.
posted by holgate at 8:16 AM on July 29, 2016 [14 favorites]


Look at this grouchy little fucker that ambled on over while I watered my plants!

So I clicked on that and had a moment of HOLY SHIT THEIR CAT TRANSFORMED INTO A TODDLER before I scrolled down...
posted by TwoStride at 8:18 AM on July 29, 2016 [15 favorites]


More on Khizr Khan:
“This is our country too,” Khan, 65, said in an interview. “This is not only Donald Trump’s country. He is an ignorant, divisive manipulator, and through my message I wish to convey to him and to all Muslim Americans: This is our country too.”
...
Weeks later, on June 8 at around 8 a.m., Humayun Khan and other soldiers were inspecting the front gates of their camp in Baquba, Iraq, when he noticed a speeding car blazing toward them. As soon as he saw the vehicle, Humayun ordered the soldiers to hit the ground. Local Iraqis waiting outside the gate also dropped.

As the car sped toward him, he took 10 steps toward it and kept his right hand in front of him signaling for the car to stop, his father said. The car, loaded with more than 200 pounds of explosives, blew up.
...
The pain of his son’s death is still with Khizr Khan. Officials have told him that his son’s actions helped save the lives of hundreds of American soldiers.

“I still have not been able to put my arms around the sadness and the loss after all these years. Those words still ring in my ears. I wish I would not have heard them,” he said.
...
Khan is admittedly nervous and has been practicing the speech repeatedly, but knowing that his son’s spirit will be with him on the stage gives him confidence. He will not be using the teleprompter but will instead speak from the heart.

“I am honored and humbled,” he said. “Nowhere but in the United States is it possible that an immigrant who came to the country empty-handed only a few years ago gets to stand in front of patriots and in front of a major political party. ... It is my small share to show the world, by standing there, the goodness of America.”

As for what he’ll speak about on stage, Khan will have a simple message to the American people: “Together we can solve the problems, and the solution is in joining hands, not building walls. Together we are stronger. The leader for us to move forward is Hillary Clinton.”
posted by DynamiteToast at 8:19 AM on July 29, 2016 [66 favorites]


The last year has been a one kick in the teeth after another. So often when witnessing history happening, the events are so bleak and violent.

However, the DNC was truly an event to savour. While many problems exist within the Democratic party, for the first time I felt truly visible to a national party. A minister acknowledged atheists! Two candidates made it a priority to give voice to LGBTQ+ people. Speakers acknowledged us over and over again.

When I transitioned over a decade ago, so much of our communities conversation used to revolve around 'stealth' versus 'deep stealth', rather than 'stealth' or 'out'. No one seemed to be documenting their transitions with pictures or videos so openly. It seemed taken for granted that you would try to hide your transness (and for good reason). Transition for small children? Almost no chance. Allowing trans children to present in a manner of their choosing at school? No way. Even in queer spaces, trans people could easily be erased. Your success in transition to the external world was frequently based whether you looked cisgender rather than your happiness and life satisfaction -- to a greater extent than today.

Neither of the major political parties wanted to give a platform to a transgender speaker at the national convention -- we were an inconvenience at best, even in some extremely progressive places.

Sarah McBride's speech was so meaningful to me because representation is important. Another courageous person more than two decades ago was on the news in my hometown and said, "Who are you to tell me I am wrong, just because I prefer to live in the body of a man?" This tiny clip of an unknown trans man, speaking out for all of us, let me know as a small child that there were others out there like me. It is my fervent wish that gender variant children will see Sarah McBride and know that they are not alone and that parents will see that their trans child can be successful.

Although our community has far to go--especially regarding the physical safety of trans PoC--, we are taking our place at the table. We will not be silent; we will not quit; we will not shut up; we will not sit down.

Thank you, gentle MeFites, for sharing this historic nominating convention. These events are the sweetest of history to watch happen.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 8:19 AM on July 29, 2016 [58 favorites]


Something that is bothering me - a lot of the GOP defectors / GOP-leaning commentators are making the point that Democrats are taking the "mantle" of the Republicans. As if we haven't been loving our country. As if a lot of us haven't been deeply invested in our religious faiths. As if we haven't known and loved our military service members, who are part of our families just as much as anyone else's. As if we haven't had hope for the future.

I wasn't around in the 70s, so I can't testify to that. But it's BULLSHIT to claim these things belong to any one party, that somehow we are taking them from the GOP.

I was around in the 70s, and in the 80s, when that grinning cynic Reagan helped popularize the notion that anyone who wasn't for the Republicans' supply-side swindle was an out-and-out Communist, and I'm here to tell you that claiming the left aren't real Americans has been part of the Republican playbook as far back as I can remember. Heck, not only did many conservatives heavily imply that anyone not enthusiastically for W's excellent Iraqi adventure was practically a terrorist sympathizer, but Sarah Palin explicitly said that only rural conservatism really represents America -- notwithstanding that most of us live in cities these day, thank you.

And for decades now, the so-called "liberal media" has played right along.

It's astounding that the Trump campaign is so blisteringly incompetent and incoherent that Republicans have utterly dropped the ball on this basic and terribly effective message, a fumble that the Democrats wasted no time in picking up.

Never let them tell you you aren't a patriot because you believe the weathy shouldn't steal the other half of the country they haven't already and impoverish the lot of us into the bargain.

Actually, you know what belief really is unpatriotic? Fascism. Seems to me I recall we fought a war against that once.

And we won.
posted by Gelatin at 8:20 AM on July 29, 2016 [35 favorites]


roomthreeseventeen: That’s how it works when barriers fall; it’s hard to remember they were ever there at all.

Except when people try to re-build barriers, it is best to understand the history that brought down those barriers in the first place.
I would hope younger women want to elect more women to the Senate. Again, it's tragic that a woman has to be better prepared than a man to do her job well. And millennials - I have lectured to millennials. When I ask them - have you ever heard of a backstreet abortion, and do you know what Roe means? - and they shake their head no. They don't know. Go look for who put those bills in. Go look who put some of these and fought on the floor.
Democrat Roz Wyman, 85, at her 16th national convention
posted by filthy light thief at 8:22 AM on July 29, 2016 [23 favorites]


So I'm having a lot of fun messing with a friend of a friend on facebook. My friend posted something Hillary-positive (which surprised me, frankly, coming from this particular friend). His friend then posted something about Stockholm Syndrome. I responded "check your privilege" because guess what?? He's a white, cis, hetero dude! He responded with laughter and "the syndrome is strong with this one." I said, again, "check your privilege." He said "Anarchists don't need to check their privilege." I just repeated myself, again. He's just responded saying "Its rich you tell me to check my privilege yet you support a woman who loves to drone bomb innocent poor brown people." So I said, "You think Trump wouldn't drop every bomb we have on every single country with brown people? Check your privilege."

Oooh, he's so mad!! My friend messaged me saying he's going off on me, calling me an SJW, saying I must be a lesbian (ooooh, sick burn, dude), etc.

THIS IS SO FUN! Bernie Bros really, really don't like it when you tell them to check their privilege.
posted by cooker girl at 8:22 AM on July 29, 2016 [71 favorites]


it's cool we got your muslims covered just so long as they've got a dead veteran kid

Humayun Khan wasn't "a dead veteran kid". First off, he was an active duty soldier when he died. He was a soldier who counseled fellow soldiers. He died saving the rest of his unit from a suicide bomber. Don't belittle other people's sacrifice for cheap snark. Don't be a Trump.
posted by dirigibleman at 8:25 AM on July 29, 2016 [105 favorites]


Can someone give me some sort of good polling news? The RCP numbers still look pretty grim.
posted by codacorolla at 8:28 AM on July 29, 2016


"Anarchists don't need to check their privilege."

AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA *wheeze* HAAAAAHAHAHA

My god.
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:29 AM on July 29, 2016 [41 favorites]



Humayun Khan's father shouldn't be allowed to speak because he has a "bad accent"? Trump and his ilk have been talking over everyone like them for months, why don't they get a voice?
posted by zutalors! at 8:31 AM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


Speaking of checking your privilege, you want an awesome moment?

Karl Stefanovic apologizes on Australian national TV for using the word "tranny".

A white cis male checking his fucking privilege publicly on Australian national TV.
posted by Talez at 8:32 AM on July 29, 2016 [18 favorites]


This morning, America is shocked that an exceptionally accomplished, well-educated grown ass human being somehow managed to give a better speech than a lunatic reality show star with a fifth grade vocabulary and sociopathic tendencies.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 8:32 AM on July 29, 2016 [34 favorites]


Can someone give me some sort of good polling news? The RCP numbers still look pretty grim.

They don't have new state polls from any of the swing states, except for a Pennsylvania poll that looks really good for Clinton ). The new national Rasmussen poll shows a very tight race between Clinton and Trump, but (a) they polled people on Tuesday and Wednesday, before Clinton's speech; (b) FiveThirtyEight gives Rasmussen a C+ and a 2-point bias towards Republicans; (c) national polls don't matter anyway.
posted by Jeanne at 8:37 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


Here is a good NYT article about a year old that talks about issues with polling. What’s the Matter With Polling?

It short, polls are becoming more and more inaccurate.
posted by ThreeCatsBob at 8:37 AM on July 29, 2016


zutalors!: Humayun Khan's father shouldn't be allowed to speak because he has a "bad accent"?

dis_integration implied that Mr. Khan was only allowed to speak because he didn't have a "bad accent" or "controversial views." What he said was: it's cool we got your muslims covered just so long as they've got a dead veteran kid and are very patriotic and have no controversial views or a bad accent. no problem

Trump and his ilk have been talking over everyone like them for months, why don't they get a voice?

This. A thousand times, this.
posted by zarq at 8:38 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


dis_integration implied that Mr. Khan was only allowed to speak because he didn't have a "bad accent" or "controversial views."

But Mr. Khan did and does have an accent.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:39 AM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Anarchists don't need to check their privilege."

Manarchists don't check their privilege.
posted by knapah at 8:40 AM on July 29, 2016 [15 favorites]


But Mr. Khan did and does have an accent.

Yep.
posted by zarq at 8:40 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh damn. Where were you 10 minutes ago, knapah?
posted by cooker girl at 8:40 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm in a different country, with a very poor internet connection, doing difficult stuff. These posts have been the highlight of my day for the past four days. Thank you so much, Metafilter. An outstanding medium thru which to experience an extraordinary, historic series of events.

Um, and is there some legal way I can get hold of Hillary's wonderful button set? I know I can't contribute to her campaign but I can contribute to planned parenthood in lieu or something.
posted by glasseyes at 8:41 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


How Garland Gets Confirmed Before the Election
Look, I believe Obama nominated Garland because Garland is who he actually wants on the Court. But the Republican pitch on filling Scalia’s seat is “the voters should decide.” I’ve already explained why that doesn’t make any sense—the voters decided who should fill Supreme Court vacancies when they elected Obama. But a pitch that’s good for the goose is good for the gander. The GOP has handed Obama an excuse to withdraw Garland’s nomination the morning after the election. (Obama: “Guys, guys, you wanted to let the voters decide, and the voters have decided they want Hillary Clinton to fill this seat.”)

Do I think Obama would actually withdraw Garland’s nomination? I didn’t a week ago. But that was before we witnessed an entire week of the DNC, packed with speeches about Democratic goals and priorities—with plenty of talk about Supreme Court decisions that need overturning and plenty of promises to nominate justices who will overturn them—but not a single mention of confirming Merrick Garland.

My theory: If we get deep into August and the polls are showing not only a strong lead for Clinton but also promising leads in enough of those senate races, it will take only credible whispers of withdrawing Garland’s nomination to make the Republicans nervous enough to go ahead and confirm him before the election. And how do you create a credible threat of withdrawal? By taking the stage before millions of viewers for a week to talk about goals and priorities, and the importance of the Supreme Court, without mentioning Garland. There was an effort to rally Democratic voters behind the importance of appointing the right people to the Supreme Court—but no effort to rally Democratic voters behind Garland. Why? Because absenting Garland from the DNC was a signal. The Party didn’t commit itself to Garland. Clinton didn’t commit herself to Garland. Even Obama didn’t push for Garland. The signal: after this week, the possibility of withdrawing Garland on November 9 is real.
posted by DynamiteToast at 8:41 AM on July 29, 2016 [30 favorites]


Hahahahaha. Four threads ago, I posted: My wife said she was going to donate $10 to the Clinton campaign and I told her to make it divisible by four. Then I had to explain. She donated $32.

This morning they asked her for $24.
posted by fedward at 8:42 AM on July 29, 2016 [49 favorites]


But Mr. Khan did and does have an accent.

I think the takeaway is that dis_integration's comment wasn't the best of Metafilter.
posted by dirigibleman at 8:42 AM on July 29, 2016 [15 favorites]




Can someone give me some sort of good polling news? The RCP numbers still look pretty grim.

We probably won't see a lot of polling until over the weekend, but a quick look at RCP actually looks positive compared to the last several weeks. Rasmussen, which usually has a fairly heavy GOP lean, shows Clinton +1. The Suffolk U (who gets a B+ rating at 538) poll of PA has Clinton +9, both with 3rd party candidates and without. A Mason-Dixon poll (they also have a B+ rating at 538) has Clinton +1 in Missouri, when the last two polls had Trump +10.
posted by zombieflanders at 8:44 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


This party under the leadership of Clinton just schooled the world on what intersectional politics looks like.

It was like, if tumblr had a pro section and everyone knew how to be minimally shitty to one another. Yeah we had chuckleheads, but like, they weren't allowed to run the show.
posted by Annika Cicada at 8:44 AM on July 29, 2016 [20 favorites]



But Mr. Khan did and does have an accent.

I think the takeaway is that dis_integration's comment wasn't the best of Metafilter.


Agreed, not sure why my misunderstanding of the sentence construction is the focus here. That comment is the sort of vile cynicism that makes me, a brown kid of immigrants, distrust the white based left.
posted by zutalors! at 8:45 AM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


Karl Stefanovic apologizes on Australian national TV for using the word "tranny".

"They told me to educate myself and I have started to."
posted by knapah at 8:46 AM on July 29, 2016 [9 favorites]


Annika Cicada aren't you supposed to be kissing your wife right now????? (if you are doing that while posting then A++++)
posted by a fiendish thingy at 8:47 AM on July 29, 2016 [17 favorites]


Malia Obama skips out on Democratic National Convention for Lollapalooza

For the love of fuck, the kid just turned eighteen. She is allowed to have fun, and she is also allowed to define "fun" in whatsoever manner she chooses to define it.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:47 AM on July 29, 2016 [42 favorites]


Just signed up on Hillary's website to volunteer for the campaign. I've got some free time tomorrow morning, I wonder if they'll be able to let me help that soon.
posted by DynamiteToast at 8:47 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


> In a way, this vision of intersectionality is a complete rebuttal of ad hominem attacks. You can disagree and still coordinate, you can oppose someone while also looking out for their best interests, you can clash but still view one another as human. It is an explosion of partisan philosophies.

I love it. I want more of it. It is a wonk’s philosophy of “what do we have to do to make this work” made enormous and beautiful.


These are some really, really good thoughts, a fiendish thingy. Thank you for that.

I was also thinking about what rorgy said about the Tumblr model of anarchic engagement, in light of the above. One of Tumblr's strengths is its free-wheeling and open enthusiasm. One of its weak points is how difficult it is to hold an actual conversation with multiple people, and how easy it can be for misinformation to spread when you have a "sharing" model of posting rather than a centralized space where everyone is talking in the same "place". And since it's the internet, it never, ever forgets. It is easy to stay outraged at someone when you can bring up something they said ten years ago with a single click, even if it's something they've since walked back or rethought or apologized for.

I've really been waiting for the pendulum to swing away from the "problematic faves" type of discourse in fandom space on Tumblr, because I think it leads to exactly the kind of polarization we're seeing in real life on the political level. There are so many good things that have come out of social justice discussions - a reexamination of intersectionality in feminism being a huge one - but in certain spaces, the purity politics have had a resurgence. It's very much about picking sides and putting yourself on the side of good (which naturally leaves people who disagree on the outside). The discussion turns away from, "Here are some serious issues I'd like to talk about," to more of a "This is problematic trash, and so are you for liking it," and people end up sorting themselves into smaller and smaller subgroups of increasingly fine levels of moral purity.

I guess...I'm just tired of being outraged. It drains me, and its unsustainable. Righteous anger can be a necessary and powerful thing. (I read one comment last night from some reporter who thought Hillary was best in her speeches when she let herself get a bit angry.) But I don't want to live in a world where I can't make common cause with the problematic people across the aisle. I want the Republicans of good heart and honest love of country. I want the angry young people with the anti-war chants. I want the police officers and community organizers and military leaders and business owners to be able to make common cause with each other when they can, even if there are serious divides in other areas.

Maybe part of Obama's legacy will be that his presence - and the Republican intransigence and reliance on fear and nativism - brought us to the breaking point where we have no choice but to band together because the alternative is unthinkable. But I'm okay with that. If it helps people see that they've been fed lies, that Democrats aren't the enemy, that they're the party of optimism and true patriotism and trying to build a better future...I'm more than okay with that. I want even more people under this big tent. I want to "make it work".
posted by Salieri at 8:49 AM on July 29, 2016 [28 favorites]


The number of right wing pundits and strategists that are going "OMG they stole our stuff" are both right and wrong. Wrong because it was never really "theirs" to begin with but also right because the left had surrendered a lot of territory in recent decades.

I think that's why all the for lack of a better term "God Talk" that happened throughout the convention was sooo damned powerful. There has been a tendency on the left to be ashamed or bashful about expressions of faith. That being a person of faith meant you were a Bible-Thumper. And while a great many religious organizations have been dominated by the most reactionary aspects of religion and a great many people used religion as a way to beat and humiliate people who dared deviate from the "norm".

But there has been a growing movement on the margins of Christianity and other religions where there are people with a liberal social and economic message that are willing to stand up and say no there is a different way and that people like Westboro Baptist don't get to claim exclusive ownership of their faiths.

That's why speeches like the Rev. William Barber gave last night are so important. They let people know that the hateful branch of Christianity that we see so often in the media does not represent the reality. That there are people or faith (and people without faith in anything other than the power of the human spirit) that are willing to walk the walk instead of just talk the talk. Yes there are still lots of conservative Christians that are willing to force their beliefs upon others in a clear contravention of the principle of separation of Church and State but there are also plenty of people that feel tasked to do good works and make the idea of a "Shining City upon a Hill" a reality instead of a rhetorical tool. Rev. Barber is one of those individuals, Khizr Khan and his family are some of those individuals, Tim Kaine is one of those individuals, and I truly believe Hillary is one of those individuals.

This DNC was a wake-up call to the right that the language of faith is not their exclusive domain anymore. And the comparison to the ham-fisted, superficial way that it was used last week at the RNC could not be more unfavorable to Republicans and Trump. The Republican twitterverse seems to be waking up to the idea that they just got flanked from a really unexpected angle by the Democrats and that their actions during this election cycle have caused them to cede one of the central themes of modern Republicanism.

Combined with the loss of anything credible regarding being "Strong on National Defense" and being "Ready for the Oval Office on day one" and the foundations and pillars of a traditional Republican campaign strategy are basically crumbling.

At this point in time Trump will be forced to double down on what he's really promising which is a naked appeal to Authoritarianism and White Nationalism. Unfortunately there are enough scared people that he might actually be competitive on trying to present himself as the the biggest baddest bully on the block but I refuse to accept that it will be a successful strategy in 2016. Hopefully the American people won't prove me wrong.

What's also interesting is that I suspect that the previous slow leak of Republicans that are willing to recognize that Trumpism is an existential threat to modern Republicanism is going to become a flood before November. You can't walk back from trying to elect a fascist, some will try but the Republicans will be forever relinquishing the concepts of being the party of Lincoln.
posted by vuron at 8:50 AM on July 29, 2016 [30 favorites]


For the love of fuck, the kid just turned eighteen. She is allowed to have fun, and she is also allowed to define "fun" in whatsoever manner she chooses to define it.

But who's in charge of all of her Constitutionally-mandated duties while she's gone?
posted by tonycpsu at 8:50 AM on July 29, 2016 [13 favorites]


Agreed, not sure why my misunderstanding of the sentence construction is the focus here.

You said d_i said the opposite of what they had said. I honestly do not understand why you would have a problem with my noting such a basic correction. Your point still stands, and it is a good one, imo.
posted by zarq at 8:51 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


Can someone give me some sort of good polling news? The RCP numbers still look pretty grim.

It's been posted before, but the NYT's "Who Will Be President" page has a feature that allows you to explore paths to the presidency. It really drives home how many individual states all have to swing for Trump to win. It's not enough for him to win Florida, he has to win Florida and ____, and it's really hard for him to stack up enough electoral votes the way the polling is actually going.
posted by fedward at 8:51 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


But who's in charge of all of her Constitutionally-mandated duties while she's gone?

Diamond Joe's got those taken care of, too.
posted by dinty_moore at 8:51 AM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


Malia Obama skips out on Democratic National Convention for Lollapalooza

For the love of fuck, the kid just turned eighteen. She is allowed to have fun, and she is also allowed to define "fun" in whatsoever manner she chooses to define it.


For the record, my reaction when I saw this on twitter was 'that's fucking awesome'
posted by DynamiteToast at 8:51 AM on July 29, 2016 [26 favorites]


This morning they asked her for $24.

A friend of mine donated $5 and was asked for another $5 - I wonder what the floor is at which the formula switches off of asking for 75% of the previous donation?
posted by pemberkins at 8:51 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


She is allowed to have fun, and she is also allowed to define "fun" in whatsoever manner she chooses to define it.

My reaction to the "Malia Obama skips out on Democratic National Convention for Lollapalooza" headline was "Good for her!"
posted by Gelatin at 8:52 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


Diamond Joe's got those taken care of, too.

Are you kidding? Diamond Joe is probably driving Malia to Lollapalooza in the Trans-Am.
posted by Gelatin at 8:54 AM on July 29, 2016 [40 favorites]


I'm at the airport in Austin! I have withdrawals. Y'all are just too much. When I land though: meta-what-er?
posted by Annika Cicada at 8:56 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


Something that is bothering me - a lot of the GOP defectors / GOP-leaning commentators are making the point that Democrats are taking the "mantle" of the Republicans

I'm on mobile so I can't see the responses, but since I'm the person who mentioned the mantle...

In 1980 the Democrats were in disarray as we went further into a nasty malaise. The anti-war Left was taking seats in Congress and fighting with the internationalists. The Southern Democrats were eroding. And Carter, a centrist who wasn't the hardcore liberal everyone wanted, was getting primaried.

And into that walked Reagan, his sunny anti-government optimism wrapped in the flag. And for the next 28 years, the Dems were on their back foot.

Anti-war? Well, you're anti-American just like those hippies. Higher taxes? We're overtaxed! Military toilets! Welfare mothers! Flag pins!

Clinton cut through that by being neo-liberal. Obama cut through it by being a historical changemaker (and a call-back to the internationalists of old). But the party still suffered except in years when the GOP fucked up (1992, 1998, 2006).

But now the GOP has spent the last 6 years selling less and less optimism. Romney was probably their last optimist. And on the other side, you had the slow to anger Obama and a building distrust of financial institutions.

And so, over four days, the DNC played back the Reagan songbook, only this time talking about how America was stronger when we work together. No, liberals were never less patriotic. It just took us 36 years to get our shit together without the ends of the party getting pissed in a time when every last Democratic vote counted.

There's still distaste from the "NO MORE WAR" chants, because it's never that easy, and even the old hippies know that now. But that platform is 80% Bernie. There is no fear anymore about standing up for black lives, or the LGBT community. Hell, Hillary wants to tax Wall Street.

I hope it all holds together, and I hope we play fair if Hillary does win and Congress turns. It's good to have a progressive wing with a voice again, and it's good the centrists are part of the conversation. This is the Democratic Party we've needed. Let us hope Hillary can finish the job Obama started.
posted by dw at 8:56 AM on July 29, 2016 [25 favorites]


Diamond Joe has to take the van to Lolla, after all his band has a set on one of the side stages. He heard there might be some major labels there.
posted by drezdn at 8:57 AM on July 29, 2016 [17 favorites]


And into that walked Reagan, his sunny anti-government optimism wrapped in the flag. And for the next 28 years, the Dems were on their back foot.

And it's crucial to recognize that Democrats like the Clintons came up thru that pernicious atmosphere, when Newt Gingrich was busy working to make "liberal" a dirty word (a project so successful that the preferred term even now is "progressive").

The best thing about this convention is that while the RNC fail parade was a tide of shame for the Republican Party, the Democrats stood up and declared they are proud to be who they are.

Never, ever let anyone take that away.
posted by Gelatin at 9:00 AM on July 29, 2016 [18 favorites]


I heard they were playing their drone weedmetal set on this tour.
posted by Annika Cicada at 9:01 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


It just took us 36 years to get our shit together without the ends of the party getting pissed…

Hissy fits, walkouts, taped mouths, and fart protests notwithstanding.
posted by fedward at 9:03 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


Bitch is the new black
posted by kirkaracha at 9:03 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


But that platform is 80% Bernie.

I just want to add that just because it's 80% what Bernie Sanders wanted, doesn't mean that Hillary Clinton's contributions are only 20%. A huge, huge amount of that 80% are issues where they agreed and it's kind of shitty to claim all of that for Sanders. Hillary Clinton deserves a lot of credit, too.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 9:03 AM on July 29, 2016 [76 favorites]


penduluum at 6:43 AM:
> It's a realignment election. The Democrats are going to force the Republican hand; once Trump gets crushed, they'll have to have the long, dark night of the soul we've all been hoping would happen to them

zombieflanders at 7:15 AM:
>Missouri polling from the St Louis Dispatch:

Clinton: 41
Trump: 40


As zombieflanders noted, some recent Missouri polls have had Trump up by 10 points. In 2012, Romney walloped Obama in Missouri, 54%-44%. So this amounts to some real movement in a state that has been trended more and more Republican in recent elections.

I hope the Clinton campaign is taking some notes from the most recent campaign of Missouri Senator Claire McCaskill.

In 2012, McCaskill "helped" the Republicans choose the most extreme of their primary candidates (Todd Akin--you may remember him as the "legitimate rape" guy; I remember him as literally the biggest dick I have ever had the mis-pleasure of meeting in Missouri politics*) and then proceeded to absolutely obliterate him in the general election.

Akin ended up receiving less than 40% of the vote--in the same year that Romney beat Obama in Missouri by almost 10% and a veto-proof Republican majority swept into both Missouri House & Senate.

This year, the same dynamic is setting up in the presidential race. No question. A blowout is very, very possible--and, honestly, very much needed.

The big difference will be that the presidential race will have coattails all up and down the ballot, in the way the Senate race in one state did not. Akin, as odious as he was, wasn't a national leader--he was just one guy. And a guy who was clearly cut off from the national and local Republican Party by the end.

But the Republicans have to own Trump--they don't have any other choice. He's the face of their party and the Conservative movement, by popular acclamation.

As Trump goes, so goes the Republican Party--at least for this election.

*And there are A LOT of dicks, jerks, and jackasses here. The competition is fierce indeed . . .
posted by flug at 9:04 AM on July 29, 2016 [11 favorites]


Yep, Biden needs to take the GMC G-Series Conversion van because it has more room for the Drum Kit and the Nitrous Oxide tanks because he's not about to let the opportunity of making a little cash off of selling whippets to teenagers go to waste.

Sounds like Obama better get ready to sign his 4th Presidential pardon of Biden this year and we haven't even gotten through the summer concert season.
posted by vuron at 9:06 AM on July 29, 2016 [9 favorites]


But the Republicans have to own Trump--they don't have any other choice. He's the face of their party and the Conservative movement, by popular acclamation.

As Trump goes, so goes the Republican Party--at least for this election.


Paul Ryan doesn't agree on the first point. Remember his "Vote your Conscience" moment? Yeah, he's trying to save some down-ticket votes.

But on the second point, I realized Hilary was wrong: one person can change things ... for the worse. It's really easy to destroy something, it's a whole lot harder to be a builder.
posted by filthy light thief at 9:07 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]




Found another piece on Khizr Khan, this one originally published March 22, 2005 shortly after his son's death. It includes the exact same anecdote about the Jefferson Memorial from his convention speech.
His son was always reading books about Thomas Jefferson; that part of his passion was certainly his father's doing. When the boys were small, Khan would take them to the Jefferson Memorial. He'd have them stand there and read the chiseled, curving words about swearing hostility against tyrannies over the minds of men.
and also this heartbreaking part
Since his death, Khizr Khan said, he has learned so much more about his son -- how he mentored a young man while he was at U-Va.; how he was an unofficial counselor for mentally troubled soldiers; how he started a program to hire local Iraqis for jobs on the base as a way of trying to improve relations between the soldiers and the town.

"They did not call him Captain Khan," his father said. "They called him 'our captain.' "

All of it has in a way made his son more mysterious to him, not less. Humayun was so much more like his mother, so generous and kind, the father said. He's not sure what his son got from him.

"We wonder how we got so lucky," Khizr Khan said.
posted by DynamiteToast at 9:09 AM on July 29, 2016 [67 favorites]


Paul Ryan doesn't agree on the first point. Remember his "Vote your Conscience" moment? Yeah, he's trying to save some down-ticket votes.

Paul Ryan would really, really like the media to give him the benefit of the doubt on that point. Paul Ryan wouldn't mind one little bit if a President Trump were in the White House to sign Ryan's Randian wish list of legislation.
posted by Gelatin at 9:10 AM on July 29, 2016 [9 favorites]


y'all! on Diane Rehm on NPR this morning, they're talking about the speech and they were all like did she do enough of this / is she lacking in that and blah blah and this guy called in and he was like "You know, I've listened the whole week about if Hillary would address this issue or that issue, and last night I heard her covered everything under the sun and now you're still debating if she answered everything. The media sounds like they're still giving her a double standard and it's just not right."

I clapped out loud to the radio! This random guy named Peter told them exactly what they needed to be told.
posted by numaner at 9:10 AM on July 29, 2016 [101 favorites]


My humble opinion? A blowout is not possible unless conservatives have another seemingly viable option to vote for. There are rumors that Romney is going to endorse the Libertarian ticket. If his endorsement is in the vein of "I'm still a Republican, and I will continue to vote for Republicans, but in this one election I must choose a different option. I don't believe in everything that the Libertarians stand for, but for this moment in time, there is no other alternative for me," then I think we might see a blow-out. There needs to be a valve for conservatives to feel like they can still stay true to themselves while not voting for Trump.

The Missouri poll is encouraging but is likely an outlier. Two highly-rated pollsters, SurveyUSA and PPP, recently released polls with Trump +10 in the state.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 9:11 AM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


'The left is now the establishment. It's no longer long hairs vs the crew cuts. We get the buzz cuts on our side and we control the drones because the money men and the brass agree with us: The US must be international in its outlook, and use its power to help make the world more free'

The Dems are the party of the winners, mostly. Silicon Valley, that's ours. Wall Street, too. The Universities. The people for whom the system is working just fine.

The truly mindboggling thing about this election is that rich white liberals can say things like this without a hint of irony in one breath, and then in the next wonder why huge segments of the populace aren't lining up to vote for Clinton. If we wind up with a Trump presidency, it will be precisely because freedom through flying killer death robots is a hard cause for many on the left to rally around, and more importantly, because the vast majority of the population aren't the kind of 'winners' described here and are sick of being dictated to by that neoliberal elite.

Both Trump and Sanders understand that sentiment; the speech last night showed that Clinton is at least smart enough to pay lip service to it. But the more rich white liberals believe that what's good for them is good for the nation, the closer we come to disaster.
posted by Toby Dammit X at 9:12 AM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


Dick Cheney's press secretary, everyone:

Galen was press sec'y for Quayle and Gingrich, but I didn't know he did the same for Cheney. That's interesting.
posted by zarq at 9:14 AM on July 29, 2016


My reaction to the "Malia Obama skips out on Democratic National Convention for Lollapalooza" headline was "Good for her!"

I.think you people are all missing the really important issue that's been revealed here.

I mean seriously? Lollapalooza is still around?
posted by happyroach at 9:14 AM on July 29, 2016 [14 favorites]


JUST IN: 4th Circuit says NC voting laws adopted with "discriminatory intent."

This is a BFD. The courts are finally starting to wake up and throw out the modern-day poll taxes the GOP enacted.
posted by zombieflanders at 9:15 AM on July 29, 2016 [71 favorites]


Re: GOP/Democratic "patriotism," for a long time (at least 16 years) the Republican position has been that everything foundational to the United States and everything we pretended was foundational to differentiate ourselves from filthy commies during the Cold War is perfect and wonderful. Anything bad, like racism or class strife or police shootings is the result of attacks by evil interlopers like liberals, communists, Muslims, atheists, non-whites, illegal immigrants, etc. When Democrats say otherwise, that things like slavery or military adventurism or the 140 years where women didn't have the right to vote have created a legacy in modern society that we need to address, it's because they're not patriotic and "hate America."

2016 is the year that the party decided that the disease has taken root, our country is a hellhole, and the only way to get back the America they want is to burn it all to the ground and start over. Small-R-republican government, charity, the guiding principles of religious conservatism (even the more cynical version), all of it can go into the fire as long as the true believers get to rule the ashes. So now the Democrats can bring out what's if anything an even more "here's what we want to fix about the country" platform (the nominee acknowledged systemic racism, for fuck's sake!) and still drape it in the flag and veterans and shouting Central Casting retired generals and nobody's gonna say boo because the GOP has gone full banana republic. It'd be beautiful if I didn't think a principled opposition was healthy for democracy.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 9:15 AM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


Humayun was so much more like his mother, so generous and kind, the father said. He's not sure what his son got from him.

After seeing his speech, the answer appears to be "a whole lot of courage and righteousness."
posted by mightygodking at 9:15 AM on July 29, 2016 [21 favorites]


Seth Fried at McSweeney’s: “Why I’m Supporting Donald Trump: Make America Grape Again”
posted by Going To Maine at 9:15 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


If we wind up with a Trump presidency, it will be precisely because freedom through flying killer death robots is a hard cause for many on the left to rally around

Just your regular reminder that Sanders, like Clinton and Trump, is also a firm believer in drone warfare.
posted by zombieflanders at 9:16 AM on July 29, 2016 [43 favorites]


"How can it be that I am standing at my kitchen counter sobbing because of the messages being driven at the DNC? Where has the GOP gone?"

I think it is pretty telling that so many speakers at the DNC were able to speak out in direct opposition to the values of Donald Trump simply by quoting verbatim from the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, etc.
posted by snofoam at 9:19 AM on July 29, 2016 [11 favorites]


zombieflanders, I don't deny that or endorse it. But when even the farthest-left candidate in decades is a firm believer in death from above, you can understand why people are hesitant to engage with the political system.
posted by Toby Dammit X at 9:20 AM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]




you can understand why people are hesitant to engage with the political system

I can understand the hesitancy, yes. What I can't understand is their failure to overcome that hesitancy when so many other issues other than drone policy would be improved by supporting Clinton, while zero, including drone policy, would be improved by allowing Trump to win.
posted by tonycpsu at 9:22 AM on July 29, 2016 [28 favorites]


"Hail to the Chief" #AddAWomanImproveASong
posted by straight at 9:23 AM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


I heard Chuck Todd say that now Trump is distancing himself from the RNC, saying he didn't really have anything to do with it. I can't find anything else about it but I hope it's true because I am in the mood for a delicious breakfast.

The New Republic sums it up thusly:
More people watched the DNC, which has led Trump to quickly distance himself from his own convention. When asked by The New York Times why his convention was so disorganized and lacked any star power, Trump said, “I didn’t produce our show—I just showed up for the final speech on Thursday.” He told the Hollywood Reporter, “I think we had, if you include my children and the great success that they had, I would say we had tremendous star power. But I wasn’t looking for star power, I was looking for policy.” Which is hilarious.
posted by peeedro at 9:23 AM on July 29, 2016 [12 favorites]


Also your regular reminder that being suspicious of Clinton =/= lockstep support of Sanders.
posted by Toby Dammit X at 9:23 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


OK, but other than the parents of the fallen war hero, the two congressmen, and the basketball star, Muslims were under-represented at the...wait, that's actually a good representation.
posted by Cookiebastard at 9:24 AM on July 29, 2016 [10 favorites]


So if you refuse to participate in the political system, how is our fault if Trump gets elected? Not voting doesn't remove you from the equation.
posted by bibliowench at 9:24 AM on July 29, 2016 [12 favorites]


I can understand why they would have that hesitancy about Clinton while still being able to rally around Sanders, but it involves words that rhyme with "schminternalized hexism."
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 9:24 AM on July 29, 2016 [26 favorites]


But I wasn’t looking for star power, I was looking for policy.

So were all the viewers.
posted by zarq at 9:24 AM on July 29, 2016 [27 favorites]


So were all the viewers.

Oh, snap!
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:26 AM on July 29, 2016


I'm at the airport in Austin! I have withdrawals.

Why are you not cramming Salt Lick barbecue into your face?
posted by Atom Eyes at 9:27 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


But I wasn’t looking for star power, I was looking for policy.>

Yet another thing he didn't bring to the convention?
posted by Francis at 9:27 AM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


more importantly, because the vast majority of the population aren't the kind of 'winners' described here and are sick of being dictated to by that neoliberal elite.

I'd find this argument easier to buy if it wasn't the case that "economic anxiety" tracks so heavily along race more than anything. The minority working class has been hit even harder by the economic turmoil of the past decade, yet they consistently report having significantly more positive views.

No, I think the issue here is that a demographic that has, for the past two centuries, been the group everyone pandered to is having to come to terms with no longer wielding the power they did.
posted by NoxAeternum at 9:27 AM on July 29, 2016 [12 favorites]


The rule that the perfect is the enemy of the good is definite true for politics.

Hillary isn't perfect
Kaine isn't perfect
Sanders isn't perfect
Obama isn't perfect
Bill sure as shit isn't perfect

Michelle might be perfect but give her a break she's had to deal with being FLOTUS for almost 8 years.

Sometimes you try to get to the 80% because the 80% is achievable. Even if Hillary was prefect for me, it's doubtful that she would be prefect for everyone.

I think one thing that Hillary said last night in her speech that was true for Obama and will hopefully be true for Hillary is that we don't just elect a president of the Liberals or Conservatives we elect a president that represents all Americans. That means the President that barely squeeks in with a 50.01% and 270 electoral votes and the president who achieves a blowout vicoty both need to try to cross the aisle to govern collectively because we aren't a dictatorship and a great many people in the US have very different ideas about how to implement policies that will continue to strengthen and fortify the US both internally and externally.
posted by vuron at 9:28 AM on July 29, 2016 [29 favorites]


Tonycpsu: Because people believe their lives are going to get materially worse under either, and it's hard for them to carve time out of their schedule (which not being part of Silicon Valley or Wall Street is likely pretty hectic and tiring) to vote for someone they think will sell their interests out the second it's convenient, even if the alternative is demonstrably worse in every way.
posted by Toby Dammit X at 9:28 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


Humayun Khan was probably named after the Mughal Emperor Humayun, who has an interesting history, that I think is rather fitting (from Wiki):
Humayun lost Mughal territories to the Pashtun noble, Sher Shah Suri, and, with Persian (Safavid) aid, regained them 15 years later. Humayun's return from Persia was accompanied by a large retinue of Persian noblemen and signalled an important change in Mughal court culture. The Central Asian origins of the dynasty were largely overshadowed by the influences of Persian art, architecture, language and literature. There are many stone carvings and thousands of Persian manuscripts in India dating from the time of Humayun.

Subsequently, in a very short time, Humayun was able to expand the Empire further, leaving a substantial legacy for his son, Akbar. His peaceful personality, patience and non-provocative methods of speech earned him the title ’Insān-i-Kamil (Perfect Man), among the Mughals.

posted by peacheater at 9:28 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


I was worried that Trump would win on the feels, that Hillary was too much of a wonk to hit people in the gut.

So much for that, huh?
posted by clawsoon at 9:28 AM on July 29, 2016 [9 favorites]


palindromic, since your cat came back, may I have the adorable child in that photo way upthread? Cause it's not fair that you have both. So hand over the child or I'm calling you out for microaggression (no disrespect meant to actual victims of actual microaggressions). In other news, Hillary is hiring tech geeks in Brooklyn, plus campaigners and others in a variety of locations. Plus interns. And volunteers.
posted by Bella Donna at 9:29 AM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


And since I didn't make it clearer in my earlier comment: At no point were liberals not patriotic. At no point did they not wave the flag, fight in wars, and do all the other stereotypical things we're supposed to do as Americans. But I think it was cool to be, well, cynical about this country. And speaking as a forty-something, guilty as charged.

This week was a profound repudiation of that. It was a sober, honest admission that yes, we have a lot of problems to solve, but we're not a bad country and we're not horrible people if we are willing to accept the optimism our founding fathers and mothers had and do the fucking work to make things better.

We diss the Millennials, but they don't carry Gen X's cynicism or the Boomers' fear. And it gives me hope that maybe they will be the ones who "repair the breach," to borrow from the Bible (and Rev. Barber's words).

This is an opportunity for the Left to have a second change election in 8 years. I really hope we don't blow it.
posted by dw at 9:30 AM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


Wow thread is moving fast again and I have to work. Still.

Patriotism to me has become gross because it has been defined as 'my country, right or wrong'. Patriotism as 'my country, let's make it better' is something that I have been longing to hear articulated on the national political scene for my entire adult life.

Now imagine that you're sixty and this is still true.

Better, don't do that. Instead, read this:
We love America just as much as they do. But in a different way.

You see, they love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad.

Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world.

That’s why we liberals want America to do the right thing. We know America is the hope of the world, and we love it and want it to do well.

-- Al Franken, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them (2003)
posted by Herodios at 9:31 AM on July 29, 2016 [57 favorites]


Trump said, “I didn’t produce our show."

Couldn't get them to hire the best people? Sad!
posted by drezdn at 9:34 AM on July 29, 2016 [30 favorites]


If we wind up with a Trump presidency, it will be precisely because freedom through flying killer death robots is a hard cause for many on the left to rally around

People always overestimate the importance of the groups they belong to, just like the conservative guy in my Facebook feed who is convinced that Gary Johnson would be elected if only he were pro-life. Americans are very supportive of drone strikes. If we wind up with a Trump presidency, it's because people want more of that, not less. I don't agree, but that's where we are.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 9:37 AM on July 29, 2016 [13 favorites]


Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish: "It'd be beautiful if I didn't think a principled opposition was healthy for democracy."

I think we're still going to see this, just not with the current setup. Either the GOP moves left, they fail and are replaced by a new non-Dem party, or if they dilly dally too long, the Dems split and take over the space.
posted by Chrysostom at 9:38 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


But that platform is 80% Bernie

You know that classic thing about how a woman says a thing in a meeting and everybody nods and moves on and then a man says it and everyone is like “wow! Great idea!”

So much of this election has been like that. Hillary trying to get people healthcare in the 90s. Hillary talking about the minimum wage her whole career and introducing a bill to nearly double it 10 years ago. Hillary considering a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United back in 2014.

I’m not saying she was talking about any of this stuff before Sanders was talking about it, although at least we know that with healthcare she sure as hell was trying to do something about it long before he was.

But it is funny that these kinds of things — which Clinton has been making part of her platform her whole career — are “Bernie’s things.” I mean, I keep saying this, but if you look at their announcement speeches from over a year ago, they're nearly identical.

And yes, he got to yell about them louder because he’s a man and a man who refers to himself as a socialist gets a lot further in his political career than a woman who does, and a man who represents 600,000 mostly-white people in Vermont can be a lot narrower in his concerns than a woman who represents 20,000,000 people of all colors in NY.

But the only thing that he was really making a big platorm plank this election that she wasn't talking about before was "free college" -- she was just saying it had to be more affordable. She frankly emphasized better pre-K and K-12 as educational priorities (which I agree with. College debt should't be crippling, but earlier education helps more people and helps people with less privilige). She's been saying the other stuff all along.

Anyway I’m glad that this stuff is now part of the national conversation in a way that it couldn’t be before, even if that is a result of male privilege. And I’m full of admiration for Clinton’s graciousness toward Bernie last night. I think I'm more annoyed that she doesn't get credit than she is. Which is another reason I think she'll make a great president -- she genuinely does seem to care more about getting results than getting credit.
posted by pocketfullofrye at 9:41 AM on July 29, 2016 [167 favorites]


MeFi's own John Scalzi on Clinton:
[W]hatever Clinton’s own personal characteristics, she also had the misfortune of stepping into the political spotlight concurrent to the GOP wholesale adopting the Gingrich playbook of demonizing the opposition. She’s had an entire political party and its media apparatus spending two full decades telling the world she’s a bitch, and evil, and a criminal. It’s still happening; the Republican National Convention resounded with the words lock her up, lock her up, lock her up. And yet she is still here. She is still in service. Now, you can see that as ego or delusion or the inability to take a hint. I see it as an unwillingness to yield the floor to those whose political playbook is simply “demonize your opponent,” with the rest to be figured out later.

(And make no mistake — should Clinton win the presidency, the fury isn’t going away. The GOP is all in this year with sexism and bigotry and hate, and at this point it has no other gear; it literally cannot do otherwise without entirely losing its primary voter base. This is what the Gingrich playbook has gotten the GOP. It’s made them fury addicts, and the withdrawal symptoms are as likely to kill them as not.)
posted by Gelatin at 9:42 AM on July 29, 2016 [45 favorites]


Bulgaroktnos: You'll note that I specified 'on the left' - which is a fraction of the country as a whole, but a fraction that's obviously far more important to any Democratic candidate than to Trump.
posted by Toby Dammit X at 9:43 AM on July 29, 2016


And I’m full of admiration for Clinton’s graciousness toward Bernie last night. I think I'm more annoyed that she doesn't get credit than she is. Which is another reason I think she'll make a great president -- she genuinely does seem to care more about getting results than getting credit.

Yes, this.

Clinton ceded quite a bit to Sanders and his supporters right here:
And I want to thank Bernie Sanders. Bernie, your campaign inspired millions of Americans, particularly the young people who threw their hearts and souls into our primary. You've put economic and social justice issues front and center, where they belong.

And to all of your supporters here and around the country: I want you to know, I've heard you. Your cause is our cause. Our country needs your ideas, energy, and passion. That's the only way we can turn our progressive platform into real change for America. We wrote it together – now let's go out there and make it happen together.


That seems unusual, and unusually gracious (or perhaps just canny)--I don't think I've ever seen a nominee give so much credit to a rival before. That's leadership.
posted by carrienation at 9:46 AM on July 29, 2016 [39 favorites]


what the author didn't do is consider is what Jill Stein's argument looks like from her own supporters' perspective: many (including one of my college professors) are environmentalists. To them, it's not enough to believe in global warming: any cynic can do that as well. The intentions predicated on that belief matters, and what's probably going on in the minds for many activists is, based on Hillary's historical positions and policies on global trade and economy, there's a concern that the dominant progressive platform won't be enough for the world to realistically survive the coming environmental crisis. I think that's a better picture of their rationale (whether you or I agree with it).

It's not enough. Period. Anybody who "believes in science" knows that there are no countries on earth today, save maybe Kiribati, with a platform on climate change strong enough to ameliorate its effects. Because it's already happening. Every year is hotter than the next. You know why it's so bad right now? Because Al Gore's platform on climate change wasn't enough, and he couldn't convince enough people to vote for him. On carbon reduction, all we can do is make things a little better or a little worse. Anybody who's old enough to be a professor should have learned that lesson in 2000. We could have been better. We could have been closer to a solution. Instead we got Bush, twice, who did nothing. Jill Stein is not going to be president. Not this year, not ever. The only choice this year is between better on climate change or worse.

And, incidentally, it could end up not just a little better but a lot better. Clinton could get enough votes on the Supreme Court that the EPA and the USFWS could feel comfortable using their congressionally appointed powers to regulate carbon under the Clean Air Act and the Endangered Species Act. That's all it would take. Real environmentalists know exactly how that would work. Or she could get her infrastructure platform passed and the cost of renewable energy could go lower than carbon based energy. That's also all it would take. The minute non-carbon based energy becomes actually cheaper than oil and gas you will see a race to switch like you ain't never seen before. It's already happening in China.

Better, or worse. Those are the options. There's no empathy needed for these people who are old enough to have voted for Nader and still hold out hope for a twelve point field goal two minutes after the game ended. Choose the quarterback who will move the ball down the field.
posted by one_bean at 9:49 AM on July 29, 2016 [52 favorites]


I wonder what the floor is at which the formula switches off of asking for 75% of the previous donation?

I donated $10 on Tuesday - and got an $8 solicitation last night.

I donated $25.
posted by zakur at 9:50 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


Found another piece on Khizr Khan, this one originally published March 22, 2005 shortly after his son's death.

I cannot tell you how even more angry I am at my ignorant relatives and other ultra-right-wingers for their stupid thoughts about Americans who happen to be Muslim. Fuck that. And Fuck Trump.

Other, more positive topics:
If you don't believe that even the smallest thing you do or say might have profound effects: Think about Dorothy Howell's first-grade teacher. Dorothy's daughter told us last night that this teacher, way back in the 1920s, made sure the neglected child Dorothy had enough to eat by bringing her lunch.

That teacher could never have conceived that what she was doing was helping out a child who would grow to be a mother, a mother of a First Lady, a U.S. senator, a U.S. Secretary of State, and - we hope - President of the United States of America. And that her act of kindness would be memorialized in a Democratic convention speech by the nominee.

Also, last night someone mentioned they thought Chelsea sounded like her mother. Earlier this week the camera had cut to Chelsea and I saw her nodding in a manner that was so like her mom.
posted by NorthernLite at 9:50 AM on July 29, 2016 [36 favorites]


I bought the packet of signs yesterday, and today they asked me for $84.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 9:51 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


But that platform is 80% Bernie

In addition to Hilary also saying these things for years, I don't think either Bernie or Hilary were the first ones to propose these things. Yes, Bernie was vocal about these things from the beginning of this campaign in a way that Hilary might not have, but they're not owned by Bernie.

And in the end, what does it matter who said it first? I don't say that to discount Hilary's decades of work on these topics, but to say here we are, and these are being pushed forward by the Democratic presidential candidate, HRC, and not by the GOP and Trump.

Playing the "Bernie said it first/ always/ louder" game wins nothing. Instead, we spend time in-fighting about details, instead of trying to make these things happen.

Don't fight, coordinate and move forward together. Don't boo, vote.
posted by filthy light thief at 9:51 AM on July 29, 2016 [12 favorites]


Toby Dammit X: Tonycpsu: Because people believe their lives are going to get materially worse under either, and it's hard for them to carve time out of their schedule (which not being part of Silicon Valley or Wall Street is likely pretty hectic and tiring) to vote for someone they think will sell their interests out the second it's convenient, even if the alternative is demonstrably worse in every way.

Voting for the lesser of two or more evils is pretty much the hallmark of every election, everywhere. It truly is. We're never going to get one single candidate who believes with us on everything. And sometimes, there is going to be an issue that is near and dear to our hearts that no candidate supports. But voting for someone we think is closest to our overall beliefs is often going to be the smartest and best option, especially if we know that the more evil of the two candidates will actively and aggressively work to make life worse for our friends, neighbors and colleagues.

Look, there's a logic and morality in never wanting to support anyone who is evil at all. But refusing to act when you know that one outcome will be more problematic than another is immoral all the same.

The US had the option of sitting out World War II and letting Europe fight it out amongst themselves. It certainly would have been easier and less costly for us. Many Americans supported remaining neutral in the conflict -- and it took massive government and media propaganda campaigns to generate civilian support for entering the war. The Allies weren't perfect. We weren't perfect. Look at what we did once our participation in the war began: we committed our own atrocities, bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki and setting up concentration camps for the internment of Japanese Americans. Still, would the world have been better off if we had chosen the lesser of two evils and not gotten involved, letting Hitler and Hirohito run rampant?

Sometimes we're better off swallowing the less bitter pill, and hoping for the best.
posted by zarq at 9:53 AM on July 29, 2016 [14 favorites]


Trump wants to hit the Democrats who attacked him at the DNC. Someone tell him that small handed 70 year old desk jockeys are not intimidating. He needs to mind his words or someone is going to knock that weave off his head.
posted by humanfont at 9:54 AM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


But that platform is 80% Bernie

I don't think either Bernie or Hilary were the first ones to propose these things. . .

Don't fight, coordinate and move forward together. Don't boo, vote.


The key thing is EIGHTY PERCENT AGREEMENT.

Tick those boxes, and move on.
 
posted by Herodios at 9:55 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


How I learned to stop worrying and love Hillary
When you're an activist outsider you may have the luxury of never compromising on anything, never demoting some concerns to advance others. But when you're a politician in America and you want to get certain things done (the two don't always come hand in hand), you will inevitably have to support pet projects of those on the other side of the spectrum. In Hillary Clinton's case, she chose children, family and health care. These are all worthy and honorable causes and she can't be faulted for making them her life's work.
posted by Talez at 9:58 AM on July 29, 2016 [15 favorites]


peeedro: [Trump said, about RNC] I think we had, if you include my children and the great success that they had, I would say we had tremendous star power.

Yeah, if your kids are your biggest supporters, you're not doing that hot. I dare say, you're in the wrong business.
posted by filthy light thief at 10:00 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


Voting for the lesser of two or more evils is pretty much the hallmark of every election

This is true, no candidate is going to be perfect for everyone. And even if you think that the choice between the two will have no material difference in your life, if you recognize that it will be much worse for other people and still vote for the greater of the two evils, you have to recognize that you are casting that vote out of spite.
posted by C'est la D.C. at 10:01 AM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


You know, it's been a rough few months. Heck, it's been a rough year.

I've spent a lot of time upset about the state of the world. Watching poll numbers with growing trepidation. Feeling concerned about things that will likely affect me personally, or affect people I know personally, or affect people I don't know at all personally. Spending time feeling shocked. Once or twice crying. One time drinking. Worried.

Right now, I don't. Right now, I feel like it's possible that we could make it through this.

I'm sure it won't be long before I go back to feeling worried again. But right now?

This is what hope feels like.
posted by kyrademon at 10:02 AM on July 29, 2016 [12 favorites]


humanfont: He needs to mind his words or someone is going to knock that weave off his head.

Don't get violent, get a balloon.
posted by filthy light thief at 10:02 AM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


SometimesIn all cases, we're better off swallowing the less bitter pill, and hoping for the best.

Tweaked that for you, because even if one doesn't choose one of the bitter pills, the system is going to force-feed one of them anyway, so you're always better off with the lesser evil.

People who refuse to accept this or still believe in the fantasy of the voter-as-consumer model don't deserve what they get by any means, but since they are going to get one of the bad choices anyway, they may as well have a say in which one. If that's not enough to overcome their busy schedule -- an issue I'm not in any way discounting as a supporter of multi-day elections and vote-by-mail -- then I see no other viable solution for them aside from systemic reform, which, if they're too busy to set aside time to vote, they probably also do not have time to meaningfully participate in, either, so... Voting to further your interests, even marginally, seems like the path of least resistance by comparison.
posted by tonycpsu at 10:03 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


The key thing is EIGHTY PERCENT AGREEMENT. Tick those boxes, and move on.

I largely agree! I am saying this as a woman who has dealt over and over again with men being granted credit and accolades for my hard work: it sucks. And it sucks to be told to deal with it and move on.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 10:04 AM on July 29, 2016 [12 favorites]


So that's why there weren't many balloons at the RNC. The Donald was afraid the static electricity would muss his weave. Sad!
posted by soren_lorensen at 10:04 AM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


So here's the best reason to vote for Hillary Clinton that I've seen yet. I've come close to finding the right wording so many times, so when I tripped across this I was like "oh yes of course duh that's what I was trying to say." Anyway, this isn't from me, it's from a Serious Activist Friend who is the sort of person I'd want to be if I ever got over being so timid. He says he might vote for Hillary for the same primary reason he would have voted for Bernie, because:
If you believe that grassroots organizations and social movements are the most important vehicles for progressive change, then don’t think of voting as your personal endorsement of an individual candidate, as if the purpose of elections were to reflect our individual values; instead, think of your vote as your choice about which terrain you would prefer to ‘do battle’ within.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 10:04 AM on July 29, 2016 [87 favorites]


zarq, I really feel like you don't understand that, for an increasing number of Americans, the 'issue that's near and dear to their heart' is their basic, day-to-day survival. For them, it's not a case of making a simple political compromise for the greater good; they're not motivated by abstracted ideals. Quite simply, if a candidate cannot convince them of a plan to ease the struggle they face to meet everyday basic needs - or if they believe that candidate is outright hostile to them - they believe that their time and energy would be better spent trying to meet those needs themselves. Or worse, support the candidate who says it's all the fault of that Mexican down the street.

And y'all can say that doesn't make sense as much as you want, but that's not going to change anything about the way working, underemployed and unemployed people think. It makes sense to them because they are trying to survive in a fundamentally different ecosystem than many people here. They're not 'winners'; they're just trying not to lose, and they're not going to support any candidate they don't think will help them with that. Whatever the alternative.
posted by Toby Dammit X at 10:08 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


I doubt that people who are concerned with day-to-day survival see politics as a way of helping them survive.
posted by argybarg at 10:11 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


This is true, no candidate is going to be perfect for everyone. And even if you think that the choice between the two will have no material difference in your life, if you recognize that it will be much worse for other people and still vote for the greater of the two evils, you have to recognize that you are casting that vote out of spite.

I've linked to this Molly Ivins column several times before on MeFi. It's from October 26, 2000 and is titled "Why I'm Voting for Ralph.":
So here you are, trying to spot that fine hairsbreadth of difference between the sanctimonious Gore and the clueless Bush, ready to damn both of them in favor of a straight shooter like Nader. Here's the problem: Government matters most to people on the margins. If I may be blunt about this, we live in a society where the effluent flows downhill. And the people on the bottom are drowning in it.

And it is precisely those citizens -- whose lives sometimes literally depend on the difference between a politician who really does have a plan to help with the cost of prescription drugs and one who is only pretending that he does -- whose lives can be harmed by your idealism.

The size of a tax cut doesn't matter to people in the richest 1 percent. They're in Fat City now; they don't need more money. But the size of a tax cut makes a real difference to Bush's oft-cited example of the single mom with two kids making $22,000 a year.

When you are barely making it in this society, hanging on by your fingernails, with every unexpected expense a crisis, it matters which is the lesser of two evils.

I know it's hard for young people to envision age or illness, or the sick feeling of frantic despair when your old wreck of a car finally dies (it always does this in traffic) and will not start again. People who work two and even three jobs to support their kids get so tired -- you can't imagine how tired -- and guilt and depression and anxiety all pile on, too. The difference between Gore and Bush matters to those folks.

This is an old argument between radicals and liberals; sometimes I'm on one side, and sometimes I'm on the other. In the primaries, I vote to change the world; in November, I vote for a sliver more for programs that help the needy.

I do not believe that things have to get worse before they can get better. I think you will find that most mothers object to the idea that you would deliberately do something to make a child's life worse in order to bring about some presumed greater good in the long run. I believe that the best can be the enemy of the better. I believe in taking half a loaf, or even a slice.

And how do we ever change the whole rotten system at that speed? Brick by brick, child by child, slowly, toward liberty and justice for all.

posted by zarq at 10:11 AM on July 29, 2016 [37 favorites]


Trump wants to hit the Democrats who attacked him at the DNC.

Nobody 'attacked' anybody at the DNC.

A lot of people pointed out where what he said was wrong, where they disagreed with him, and drew some unflattering conclusions about his thought and emotional processes based on these things.

Talking about you isn't an attack, Mr T, and your ears are going to be burning for the next four months, so get used to it.

Someone tell him that small handed 70 year old desk jockeys are not intimidating. He needs to mind his words or someone is going to knock that weave off his head.

You know, Trump's personality and personal appearance are pretty far outside the norm, but ridiculous as he looks and sounds, there's absolutely no need to criticize him on that score. If that was ever going to be effective he would have slinked away from the public eye long ago.

His is ideas and proposals, though, are so monstrous, so ugly, so laughably absurd that whole libraries could be filled with ridicule and analysis to back it up.

No need to point and laugh at what's on his head when the stuff that comes out of his head is so risible -- and dangerous.
 
posted by Herodios at 10:11 AM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


And y'all can say that doesn't make sense as much as you want, but that's not going to change anything about the way working, underemployed and unemployed people think. It makes sense to them because they are trying to survive in a fundamentally different ecosystem than many people here. They're not 'winners'; they're just trying not to lose, and they're not going to support any candidate they don't think will help them with that. Whatever the alternative.

Trump wants to hand back minimum wage to the states. Hillary has tried on multiple occasions to raise the minimum wage and bring more back to the lower and middle class. The people who are trying to not lose will lose the hardest they've ever lost if a Trump presidency happens. There is no question about this. There is no dispute in facts. There is no alternative.
posted by Talez at 10:12 AM on July 29, 2016 [13 favorites]


The DNC platform and event included Unrig The Map, voter rights, and overturning Citizens United.

And pushing for a strong middle class.

I remember my first sociology class ever where the professor put it plainly that you need an educated middle class for democracy - you need a group that can spare the time to engage in politics in more than just a purely reactionary fashion for democracy to work.

If voting for Hillary gets us that, because she has shown she can get things done, then that means we can iterate and do the next challenge.

As someone who works in software and IT, I keep seeing this as Clinton vs Trump as Agile/DevOps vs Waterfall/Silos
posted by mrzarquon at 10:12 AM on July 29, 2016 [11 favorites]


I find it perplexing that at the the same time that HRC's detractors don't believe her rhetoric, DT's supporters also don't believe his rhetoric.
posted by piyushnz at 10:14 AM on July 29, 2016 [18 favorites]


The problem with your argument, Toby Dammit X, is that some pretty disadvantaged groups, such as black women, continue to support Clinton in very high numbers. Is your argument that white men are more worried about day-to-day survival than black women are? Because if that's not true, then I'm not sure your argument makes a ton of sense.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 10:14 AM on July 29, 2016 [17 favorites]


Toby Dammit X, you make some important points about disengagement, but what's your counterfactual? What path is there between where the political system is now and what you seem to be pushing for, where actors within that system would be appealing enough to earn the trust of the disaffected voters you're channeling here?
posted by tonycpsu at 10:15 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


I find it perplexing that at the the same time that HRC's detractors don't believe her rhetoric, DT's supporters don't believe his rhetoric.

Once again, it's a lot less perplexing when you consider that "economic anxiety" is a primarily racial phenomenon.
posted by NoxAeternum at 10:17 AM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


Also, I strongly wish we could adopt a hybrid parliamentary system where the house of representatives is proportionally assigned based on popular vote, while the senate still remains representative of the states. And we give statehood to our remaining territories.
posted by mrzarquon at 10:17 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


NoxAeternum, would you mind elaborating? (genuinely interested)
posted by piyushnz at 10:19 AM on July 29, 2016


Trump wants to hand back minimum wage to the states.

Yeah he says that now because he hadn't thought about it at all before, then some advisor told him what the modern Republican party's position is, and he shrugged and went with that.

Until some state honks him off -- or the wind shift or he gets up on the wrong side of bed or something else -- and he suddenly announces that he'll set it at the federal level by his own personal fiat.

He hasn't any consistent positions on policies at this level at all.
 
posted by Herodios at 10:19 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


> He hasn't any consistent positions on policies at this level at all.
posted by mrzarquon at 10:21 AM on July 29, 2016


NoxAeternum, would you mind elaborating? (genuinely interested)

Minorities who are financially struggling or in poverty are reporting lower rates of "economic anxiety" than whites in the same financial position. The takeaway is that the "economic anxiety" whites are complaining about isn't about their actual financial situation, but about their fear that, in a perceived zero-sum game, those brown people are getting more than they are.
posted by suelac at 10:23 AM on July 29, 2016 [18 favorites]


zarq, I really feel like you don't understand that, for an increasing number of Americans, the 'issue that's near and dear to their heart' is their basic, day-to-day survival.

You don't know me. That's okay. But speaking as someone whose family lives paycheck to paycheck and who spent three years as a teenager living below the poverty line, I do.

And if it's day to day survival we're discussing, then that's not a matter of what the lesser of two evils is to me. I vote Democrat because of those experiences. I'm in my 40's. Have watched Republicans run our economy into the ground every chance they got and cut social services and treat the poor and disadvantaged like absolute shit for decades. Denying them... denying us opportunities.

I vote Democrat because Republicans want to force women to have babies when they aren't ready to be or interested in being parents -- often virtually guaranteeing that they will struggle to raise a family financially. I vote Democrat because they at least are interested in making sure that women (like my mom, who was a single mother) earn equal pay for the jobs they do. And I vote Dem because I lived without healthcare insurance for years and know damned well what it's like to skip going to the doctor and getting medicine because it just wasn't financially possible.

So yeah, I do understand. I understand that idealism is easy for those with privilege, but for those who don't have that privilege, it can quite literally make their lives hell. Or even be life or death.
posted by zarq at 10:23 AM on July 29, 2016 [60 favorites]


Toby Dammit X, I voted Nader in 2000. In the general election. IN FLORIDA. Because, as far as I can remember, anyway, of my absolute inability to tolerate Lieberman, who'd announced that we have freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. From that experience, I learned that the primary is for rallying and voting your true self and teaching the parties a lesson about what you find intolerable. The general is a whole different deal. The general is when you really vote in your own self-interest. Chiefly, you want to ensure that you don't make things worse for yourself, that your vote does not make you partially responsible for four to eight years of excruciating horror for yourself, your loved ones, your country, and the rest of the world. Gitmo! Abu Ghraib! Waterboarding! Forced feeding! The Department of Homeland Security! TSA! George Bush flies over drowned New Orleans and points and laughs at the grandmothers on the rooftops! OH! And friggin Rehnquist died, so now, thanks to me, we have Roberts! Who cast the deciding vote against Lilly Ledbetter! Sweet, thanks, 2000 self! And of course, there was the great recession and the tide of homelessness and misery we can also pin on me and a few other unfortunate Floridians who voted for the Green party in 2000.

(Okay, and the chads--I would have been okay had it not been for the goddamn chads.)

And you know what? Four to eight years? That's crazytalk. Try 16 years, 20 years, who even knows how many years because GITMO IS STILL OPEN, and I don't doubt for an instant Obama truly madly deeply wanted to close it. Gitmo is open and so is a seat on the supreme court. I am here from the hideous, still-with-us past to tell you that in this case a vote for the mainstream IS a vote in accordance with your conscience, IS a vote in your own self-interest.

I know I'm preaching to the choir in your case, but I am still telling you so that you can maybe tell others so that they will be spared. Go vote, even if you're not inspired. Go, because this hurts. Real pain. Actual suffering. By me. Avoid great pain over many years by enduring some mild inconvenience for one day. Vote for the lesser of the two evils.
posted by Don Pepino at 10:28 AM on July 29, 2016 [73 favorites]


You know, Trump's personality and personal appearance are pretty far outside the norm, but ridiculous as he looks and sounds, there's absolutely no need to criticize him on that score. If that was ever going to be effective he would have slinked away from the public eye long ago.

His personality is absolutely fair game.

His personal appearance is a grayer area, but his reaction to comments about his hands led to Spy magazine dubbing him "the short-fingered vulgarian" decades ago and I'm comfortable following their lead.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 10:28 AM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


I still feel a little high from that convention — it went perfectly. And Trump has been perfectly awful.

I'm still struck, though, by how much this election comes down to generic Democrat vs. generic Republican, no matter how hard the candidates try or foul up. It's not 100%, but ultimately people are falling in line with the generic party prediction, which points at a slight Republican advantage this year (so-so economy, basic pendulum back to GOP).

I think that, instead of looking at the candidates and going from there, people are starting with their basic party assumptions and adjusting everything from there. I'll be honest; I do that. I'm D-faithful, so I run whatever way the stream runs. People who were GOP-leaning or faithful are going to spend more energy readjusting to Trump than they are in rejecting him.

What matters is the long, long-term positioning, which I think (hope?) trends more towards what we saw at the DNC than at the RNC. But for this election, I think all the money and coordination and messaging and debates and conventions can move the basic trajectory of the election by maybe a few points. Which might, in this particular election, mean the difference between extinction or not.
posted by argybarg at 10:32 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


The problem with your argument, Toby Dammit X, is that some pretty disadvantaged groups, such as black women, continue to support Clinton in very high numbers. Is your argument that white men are more worried about day-to-day survival than black women are? Because if that's not true, then I'm not sure your argument makes a ton of sense.

So, to elaborate on the point as requested, the argument about people being turned off Clinton and interested in Trump because of economic concerns really doesn't hold water because the concept of "economic anxiety" - that is, the idea that the working class is anxious that the financial rug could be pulled out from under them - doesn't actually track by economic status, but instead by race. Or to be more blunt about it, "economic anxiety" is very much a white-only phenomenon.

And this is worth hammering on, because "economic anxiety" has become the newest fig leaf for defending the position that white interests should be privileged over minority ones in the political sphere. Again, minorities have become powerful enough as a demographic on the left that they no longer have to tolerate having their positions pushed aside anymore, so they don't. And in return, what has happened is that the white working class is not pandered to as much, that blind eyes are no longer turned. And for some, this change is not well liked.
posted by NoxAeternum at 10:33 AM on July 29, 2016 [23 favorites]


If you have access to MSNBC, Khizr Khan will be Lawrence O'Donnell's guest at 10pm.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 10:33 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


I talked to my mom yesterday for our weekly chat and she made a point of saying, "I'm with her." so I asked if she knew how my dad was voting. My dad. Son of an immigrant who escaped the Nazis in Hamburg in 1939. Whose grandchildren could barely make out a word he said. A man who certainly had his demons. She said she wasn't going to "go there" with him. I try my best to speak to my father as little as possible (see previous comment), but I can't for one moment believe the father that my father worshipped wouldn't have beat him blind for voting for this fascist featherbrain.
posted by Sophie1 at 10:34 AM on July 29, 2016 [9 favorites]


I doubt that people who are concerned with day-to-day survival see politics as a way of helping them survive.

I submit some kids protesting a lack of labour protection for children in the early 20th century for consideration.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 10:34 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


If we wind up with a Trump presidency, it will be precisely because freedom through flying killer death robots is a hard cause for many on the left to rally around....

And yet, all those people who weren't ethnically cleansed in Bosnia will still be not buried in mass graves.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 10:35 AM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


Minorities who are financially struggling or in poverty are reporting lower rates of "economic anxiety" than whites in the same financial position. The takeaway is that the "economic anxiety" whites are complaining about isn't about their actual financial situation, but about their fear that, in a perceived zero-sum game, those brown people are getting more than they are.

The middle class is melting away. Their economic anxiety is real.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 10:36 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


And yet middle-class people of color, whose economic position is if anything more precarious than middle-class white people's, are not voting for Trump. And I haven't seen a ton of evidence that a lot of them voted for Bernie, either.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 10:39 AM on July 29, 2016 [13 favorites]


For your internetting and facebook needs: no Donald, You Don't
posted by mrzarquon at 10:43 AM on July 29, 2016 [10 favorites]


Basically the takeaway should be that you cannot have a leftist policy that puts economics above identity and intersectionality.

It's not that though, because so many people want to object that SOME minorities voted Bernie and those who didn't were just too ignorant.
posted by zutalors! at 10:44 AM on July 29, 2016 [11 favorites]


Party affiliation is complex. Mostly it's a way of seeing, and ways of seeing are not really a choice.
posted by argybarg at 10:46 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]



They should have hired Twinkie to pop all the balloons.


It's really good that they didn't.

Because if, after the cold terror of Trump's post-RNC poll bump, and then all the raw and tear-inspiring joy of the last four days, they'd capped the thing off by flooding the room with platoon after zooming platoon of feverish, bright-eyed, twitch-tailed, little balloon-annihilating terriers, I would have had no choice but to immediately surrender unto HRC a donation approximately twice the size of the down payment on our house. And then this morning I would have had to explain to my good and loving spouse why, instead of a small and hard-earned retirement nest-egg, we now had multiple new, high-interest loans from sketchy, off-shore e-banks. And now, instead of contentedly sipping coffee and reading Metafilter, I would be in the middle of a series of trembling and incoherent phone conversations with my county's cheapest divorce attorneys.

So thank you, Hillary, for that bit of restraint. Our marriage and our financial future were in your hands, and you held them gently.
posted by palmcorder_yajna at 10:47 AM on July 29, 2016 [23 favorites]


I bought the packet of signs yesterday, and today they asked me for $84.

Well that certainly doesn't fit my anecdotal pattern. Had you made any previous donations?
posted by fedward at 10:47 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I genuinely thought mainstream Republican leaders knew better, that they understood there are matters more important than fiscal policy, and that if a candidate was terrible enough, they would reach a point at which they realized their responsibilities to their country exceeded those to their political party.

I did not expect people like House Speaker Paul Ryan to behave so indecently as to line up behind this hateful man, who does not even agree with them on public policy. I was naive, and I am sad, because it means we have a less durable democracy than I thought."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 10:49 AM on July 29, 2016 [18 favorites]


I don't think we understand very well the causes of the difference in expressed levels of economic anxiety among racial classes, or the causes for Sanders' relative lack of support among African Americans. It seems like instead we'd prefer to interpret these facts in the way that most fits our preferences. It would be better to not do that.
posted by dis_integration at 10:50 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


Well that certainly doesn't fit my anecdotal pattern. Had you made any previous donations?

Nothing more than $25, but I've bought some merchandise that added up to maybe $50.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 10:51 AM on July 29, 2016


"I genuinely thought mainstream Republican leaders knew better, "

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posted by the man of twists and turns at 10:52 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]





I don't think we understand very well the causes of the difference in expressed levels of economic anxiety among racial classes, or the causes for Sanders' relative lack of support among African Americans. It seems like instead we'd prefer to interpret these facts in the way that most fits our preferences. It would be better to not do that.


I'm not going to relitigate the primaries, but there has been a bunch of digital ink spilled on these exact topics. It's not a mystery, and I think it's something that people who want to push an economics - first philosophy ought to consider, rather than saying that African Americans (and other minorities) just didn't read enough materials about Sanders.
posted by zutalors! at 10:53 AM on July 29, 2016 [11 favorites]


The takeaway is that the "economic anxiety" whites are complaining about isn't about their actual financial situation, but about their fear that, in a perceived zero-sum game, those brown people are getting more than they are.
Speaking as a white male (who once was picked for a job over a black male who I thought was better qualified), let me quote David Byrne: Same as it ever was.
posted by oneswellfoop at 10:53 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


Mod note: Comment removed, cool it.
posted by cortex (staff) at 10:54 AM on July 29, 2016


Yeah he says that now because he hadn't thought about it at all before, then some advisor told him what the modern Republican party's position is, and he shrugged and went with that.

That is the modern Republican party's position! Straight from the platform!

"Minimum wage is an issue that should be handled at the state and local level."

And there are southern states without a minimum wage or a wage far below the current federal minimum that would kick in if the federal minimum were repealed.
posted by Talez at 10:54 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


The middle class is melting away. Their economic anxiety is real.

But Trumpism/Fascism as the solution is limited to whites. And there's been numerous analyses that show Trump supporters are actually better off financially than the average American or average Democrat. And that the number one correlation to Trump support is racism.
posted by chris24 at 10:54 AM on July 29, 2016 [20 favorites]


To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad.

My 3-year-old told me . . . They're really underestimating preschoolers here.



Sigh. This is why books don't have "Comments" sections.
 
posted by Herodios at 10:56 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


So, to elaborate on the point as requested, the argument about people being turned off Clinton and interested in Trump because of economic concerns really doesn't hold water because the concept of "economic anxiety" - that is, the idea that the working class is anxious that the financial rug could be pulled out from under them - doesn't actually track by economic status, but instead by race. Or to be more blunt about it, "economic anxiety" is very much a white-only phenomenon.

I don't think it's a simple as that. I agree that a lot of this is about a loss of relative power and status, in America's racist social system. Entirely and completely agree. The distinction I would make, though is that the economy is the log that feeds the fire. Yes, jobs have grown, yes, people say they're personally better off than they were eight years ago. But people aren't stupid. And big changes are coming. The reason there's been this groundswell of support for the $15 miniumum is that a lot of the new jobs that are being created are minimum wage service sector jobs with limited prospects of advancement. We make just as much stuff as we use to, but we use a lot less people to do it. Hell, even Foxconn is replacing its workers with robots. When most people look out five, ten years ahead to their future and their children's future, I don't think they see many safe paths. (Even white collar people --- take the law school crisis, for example.)

That fear is a real fear. That things are going to be tougher, not easier. That there's going to be less to go around, not more. And so people think they're going have to fight for a shrinking slice. They narrow; they pick allies and enemies. Being white used to be a badge of protection: If it all goes to shit I'm not going to get screwed first. You are my people, and you will be loyal to me.

So yeah, racism is at the heart of this. But it's a mistake to dismiss it because of that, to say, we can ignore people who think that way because they're racist and that's evil, or we can ignore these fears about the economy because really all we have to do is convince them not to be racist and things will be fine. People were super racist in the 1920s and the 1930s. Fascism came to power when it did when economic fear gave people a reason to hunker down and organize themselves around their racism.
posted by maggiepolitt at 10:56 AM on July 29, 2016 [12 favorites]


Party affiliation is complex. Mostly it's a way of seeing, and ways of seeing are not really a choice.

One of the more or less current models of partisan affiliation -- I don't follow the mass partisanship literature very closely so it may have been superseded in the past couple of years -- is pretty close to that. Green/Palmquist/Shickler's Partisan Hearts and Minds argues that people think about what Democrats and Republicans look like and ask themselves which party's visible identity seems closer to whatever aspects of their self-constructed identity are most important to them.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 10:57 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


Nothing more than $25, but I've bought some merchandise that added up to maybe $50.

This is one of those things where I'm genuinely curious (for no good reason) but the actual data collection is too much to contemplate (it seems like a potential privacy issue, plus there are too many mitigating factors). My suspicion is that there is indeed an algorithm that looks at your total donation level and the size of your last donation and then spits out a number that's more or less personalized. But since I have a job I'm done investigating my theory.
posted by fedward at 10:57 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


There's certainly a long history of having to be pragmatic among African American voters, but I think it's also worth consdering articles like this, on how Many Black Women Feel Deeply Ambivalent about Clinton's nomination (and in the WoC circles I am in there is deep ambivalence and the starts of some big fights about supporting Jill Stein). So the big issue is how the Democratic platform can build and sustain deeper enthusiam instead of always having to drum up the "lesser of two evils!" or "girl, I guess I'm with her" votes. I'm hoping that people continue to voice concerns about aspects of Clinton's platform as a way of holding her to the promises she made last night (or even moving her further left on some issues...).
posted by TwoStride at 10:57 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


If that Chronicle article is accurate, that means someone from the DNC and/or Clinton Campaign asked Khizr Khan to speak in prime time, the night of Hillary's big speech, knowing that he intended to speak from the heart rather than from a prepared, vetted script. To me that says everything about the strength of Khan's story and the faith and trust the people surrounding Clinton have in their fellow Americans.

This morning, Mike Barnicle compared Khan's speech to the "Have you no sense of decency, sir" moment between Welch and McCarthy. My bet is that was the speech that made Rich Galen sob. If Paul Ryan or any other currently pro-Trump GOP leader flips in the next few days, it will be because of this. I know someone related to Ryan, and if the way he describes him is even 10% accurate, I know in my heart that Ryan felt great shame watching Khan speak.
posted by sallybrown at 10:58 AM on July 29, 2016 [36 favorites]


Yeah he says that now because he hadn't thought about it at all before, then some advisor told him what the modern Republican party's position is, and he shrugged and went with that.

That is the modern Republican party's position! Straight from the platform!


Well, that would be one reason an advisor would have told him that, wouldn't it?

The point is, I'm proposing that, like most of his positions on genuine issues, it is not a principled one. He's not a Republican, he a Trumpist.

I'm proposing that he probably never thought about it before; someone told him what the house dressing is, as it were, and he went with that.

And that he could just as easily change his 'position' to something else later, on a whim.
 
posted by Herodios at 11:03 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


@Walldo:
He was so excited to hit the balloon, then he realized who he was standing next to
posted by Atom Eyes at 10:53 AM on July 29 [2 favorites +] [!]

That was Hillary's brother, Hugh.

Which I love, BTW.
posted by Sophie1 at 11:03 AM on July 29, 2016 [23 favorites]


I also think that you guys are downplaying or forgetting the very real belief that the Republicans are the party of lower taxes. And when you're underemployed or even employed and facing economic troubles, taxes are one reliable source of trouble that you really feel it's in your own best interests to lower. And every Republican candidate promises to lower taxes. Even if they only lower them for the wealthy and corporations. While Democrats tend to raise them (even if only for the wealthy or corporations, or when the alternative is an even worse economy). It doesn't matter that voting Republican has never, ever resulted in their taxes being lowered. They won't pull the lever for a Democrat because they truly believe it will be shooting themselves in the wallet.

Also I wouldn't discount the one-issue anti-abortion voters. So long as Trump says he'll put rightist justices on the SC and has a VP that they know they can trust on the issue, they don't care about all the other baggage.
posted by Mchelly at 11:04 AM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]




My godfather wrote a book called Political Moderation in America's First Two Centuries. I've had a copy of it hanging around my house for years, and never cracked it open until last week, when after the RNC I was so depressed about the state of the country that I was having trouble dealing.

The bits of that book that I read, and the DNC this week, have made me feel so much better. Compromise has been a dirty word for so long, because the other side made it that way - because their positions were so toxic that working with them was a non-starter. But at least right now, I feel like maybe it's possible for us to actually find common ground on things we can agree on. Like maybe enough people are sick of the constant nastiness to start trying something new.

Here's a review of my godfather's book that expresses this sentiment better than I can.

A common word, moderation as a concept is usually misunderstood as some sort of vague residual centrism. For Robert Calhoon, it is more than a position—it is an outlook of benevolence and charity, chastened by the lessons of history, and marked by discretion. Moderate ideology is no spineless compromise but rather a principled position that is conciliatory, ethical, and rational. It is centrist not as a political tactic, but for moral and philosophical reasons. Although moderation has deep historical roots, as an ideology it never fully coalesced in the United States. Its effects have therefore often been subtle and difficult to recognize.

posted by showbiz_liz at 11:09 AM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


The NYT story about Trump calling for Russia to hack Clinton's emails is the most commented upon article in NYT history.

Are you sure that all press is good press, Donny boy?
posted by sallybrown at 11:09 AM on July 29, 2016


Malia Obama skips out on Democratic National Convention for Lollapalooza

Have a great time at Lollapalooza Malia! Pick me up a Third Eye Blind T-shirt if you get a chance!

- A @HillaryClinton tweet that needs to happen.
posted by hangashore at 11:14 AM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm sure the bulk of commenters on that NYT article are Russian trolls, so yes?
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 11:14 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


No the modern Republican party is not necessarily the party of lower taxes they are the party of not giving black and brown people stuff.

Their fundamental argument is not that people should be empowered to do what they want with their taxes (yes they hide behind that sort of logic) but rather that spending money on brown people or poor people is fundamentally a waste of money.

Food Stamps? Waste of Money
Social Security? Waste of Money
Medicare and Medicaid? Waste of Money

Americans as a whole like social programs and feel they are necessary they have just been conned into believing that racist stereotypes like the welfare queens are the norm and that some people are getting more than their fair share.
posted by vuron at 11:16 AM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


Sorry to repeat, but I really don't think people think, then choose the affiliation (religious, political) that matches their thought. The affiliation is the instrument of their thought.

People get their affiliation in mother's milk and social setting, and they have their own individual psychological makeup. They seek out and strengthen their affiliations in tribes, which are self-reinforcing. Genuine independence from tribe + upbringing + psychological makeup is just ridiculously hard, to the point where life becomes exhausting if you try.

We're all guilty of not only this, but of thinking that affiliation removes the scales from our eyes — we think clearly and independently, everyone else is asleep. Some people get off on this fallacy more than others, which gets you insurgent movements around ideological purity. But it is an illusion.

So I'm very skeptical of appeals to why groups hold the views they do. Mostly it's circular: they see things that way because that's how that group sees things.
posted by argybarg at 11:16 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


Cognitive Dissonance is a hell of a drug
posted by vuron at 11:17 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


It just took us 36 years to get our shit together without the ends of the party getting pissed…

fedward: Hissy fits, walkouts, taped mouths, and fart protests notwithstanding.

On the Busters, one young man from California said he couldn't get behind any candidate who didn't offer free college (before Clinton said 'free college tuition for some' last night) and I yelled at my radio "What about minimum wages? Health care? LGBT rights? Black Lives Matter? What about everything the other guy stands for?"

At least he's from California, which has little chance of going over to the Drumpf side.
posted by filthy light thief at 11:20 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


McCain (finally) comes out against the idea of Russia hacking into Clinton's email.

There were a surprising number of references to McCain at the DNC this week. I wonder if McCain is considering an endorsement? I never would have thought, but...
posted by sallybrown at 11:21 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


The Dem platform was 80% Sanders because Clinton and Sanders already agreed 90 something percent, and nobody gets all they want.

Sometimes you try to get to the 80% because the 80% is achievable.

And there is no 100% in politics. 80% is the dream, shooting for the moon. If you're getting 80% you're on top of the world.

100% would mean that everyone else agrees with you 100%, or you are 100% correct, or something else that's completely fantasy and should be cause for alarm. If someone is getting 100% of what they want we really do need to burn it all down.
posted by bongo_x at 11:22 AM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


Ouch.

"This month, Trump is bringing jobs to Florida, as he looks to hire 78 servers, housekeepers, and cooks at his Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach and the nearby Trump National Golf Club, Jupiter.
But instead of making sure those jobs go to Americans, he is seeking to import foreign workers for the positions, which pay $10.17 an hour for housekeepers, $11.13 an hour for servers, and $12.74 for cooks. He filed applications this month claiming he couldn’t find enough Americans to do that work, and is seeking temporary visas to bring in 65 workers at Mar-a-Lago along with another seven waiters and six cooks at the golf club."

posted by Hairy Lobster at 11:22 AM on July 29, 2016 [31 favorites]


Thank goodness for Buzzfeed Politics.
posted by filthy light thief at 11:25 AM on July 29, 2016


There were a surprising number of references to McCain at the DNC this week. I wonder if McCain is considering an endorsement? I never would have thought, but...

I don't know if he's considering it, but they're certainly daring him to.
posted by showbiz_liz at 11:25 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


> 100% would mean that everyone else agrees with you 100%, or you are 100% correct, or something else that's completely fantasy and should be cause for alarm

If you get 100%, you either aren't talking to a large enough group, have bullied people into silence, or have spent so much time working on the issue that you are no longer relevant because the problems have moved on.
posted by mrzarquon at 11:26 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


The middle class is melting away. Their economic anxiety is real.
The White Male-Head-Of-Family middle class (also known as Upper Middle Class) is melting away. Please remember, the origins of American Trade Unionism had a lot of "protect white workers from THE OTHERS taking out jobs" in it. White Males coped with previous deterioration in their status by sending their wives to work declaring it 'feminist', but never making as much as they did. I never made as much money as my father did at his peak earnings, but I was HELLA privileged. It never really struck me until I applied for Social Security Disability; I got into chat with two female MeFites who had also done so and were denied and in appeals. My claim was accepted so quickly my caseworker at SSA expressed surprise.

But that's why I believe Trump's "base" is so limited to White Males that he ultimately cannot win without major vote suppression and a major failure of Democrat GOTV. But he can expect the majority of white male Bernie-or-Busters to vote for him and not Jill Stein (can I start the hashtag #ShillStein?), because it takes something big to make a White Cis Male realize his 'tribe' is the cause of more awfulness in America than everyone else combined. As for me, it took membership at MetaFilter.
posted by oneswellfoop at 11:27 AM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


Be something if any of those Trump gastarbeiters turned out to be Muslims, eh?
posted by Devonian at 11:27 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


So basically what Trump is saying is that even though he's paying above the minimum wage that he wants to pay below market value for Palm Beach.

I can understand that there can be situations where there are some jobs that have such a small potential workforce that national boundaries can become a major limitation on the ability of the US to compete but as much as I love good cooks I'm not sure that we have a national shortage of cooks.

Maybe if he was willing to offer $20 an hour he could somehow find people in the market or people willing to relocate instead of needing to bring in foreign talent.

Of course I also have absolutely no problem with foreign talent coming in and competing for jobs I just don't think you should abuse guest worker programs in order to get them in.
posted by vuron at 11:28 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


I wonder if McCain is considering an endorsement?

It's an election year for him, he has a primary on Aug 30 for his senate re-election bid. He's being challenged from the Tea Party fringes, so there's no way he would endorse Clinton before that.
posted by peeedro at 11:32 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh, yeah, just to be clear in case it isn't. I have no problem with anybody hiring immigrant labor as long as there is no abuse.

This is entirely about Trump, the things he says and does, his priorities and his inability to even try to pretend for the sake of his own campaign.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 11:32 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


Maybe if he was willing to offer $20 an hour he could somehow find people in the market or people willing to relocate instead of needing to bring in foreign talent.

Oh, he could easily find locals willing to do the work for the same take-home wages... but those people can easily quit and go find a new job. Imported foreign workers can't.
posted by showbiz_liz at 11:32 AM on July 29, 2016 [20 favorites]


If membership at Metafilter was all it took to break down the barriers of White Male Cisgender Heteronormative Privilege then I think we should start a scholarship fund and give out a Metafilter login to every incoming college freshman.

Unfortunately change needs to come from within and it takes a fundamental willingness to change which I feel is unfortunately common among those with the most structural privilege.
posted by vuron at 11:32 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


Of course I also have absolutely no problem with foreign talent coming in and competing for jobs I just don't think you should abuse guest worker programs in order to get them in.

The rub is, as Hilary pointed out last night, that you can't claim that you'll punish American companies for making goods in other countries and then bring them back into the US, while doing that exact thing yourself.

Well, you can, but it won't get you any credibility. But Trump's hard-core supporters aren't interested in credibility, they want to vote for the high school bully who speaks for them.
posted by filthy light thief at 11:33 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


I have no problem with anybody hiring immigrant labor as long as there is no abuse.
In Trump's case, there is obviously abuse. It's the way he does business. Period.
DEPORT DONALD.
posted by oneswellfoop at 11:35 AM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


If the foreign workers are Eastern European, it's a way of getting a very white workforce without actually specifying it anywhere in writing.
posted by Azara at 11:35 AM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


Imported foreign workers also may not be aware of the appropriate channels for reporting abuse (and if they're not native English speakers, may be more reluctant to go to the media or may be tricked into signing NDAs/other agreements written in impenetrable legalese).
posted by stolyarova at 11:35 AM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm sure the bulk of commenters on that NYT article are Russian trolls

If they nest easily one inside the other, that'd clinch it.

McCain (finally) comes out against the idea of Russia hacking into Clinton's email.

Press: What was the preacher's sermon about, Mr President?
Coolidge: Sin.
Press: What did he say about sin, Mr. President?
Coolidge: He's agin it.
 
posted by Herodios at 11:38 AM on July 29, 2016 [9 favorites]


But that platform is 80% Bernie

You know that classic thing about how a woman says a thing in a meeting and everybody nods and moves on and then a man says it and everyone is like “wow! Great idea!”


Arrgh.

I didn't intend it that way. I was trying to highlight that to say Bernie and Hillary were substantively different on policy was silly.

Yes, Hillary holds a lot of these beliefs. It's why I caucused for her in the face of a state that sent 3/4 of its pledged delegates as Bernie delegates. That, and I believed she had listened, thought deeply about the problems, and was testing solutions in her head.

I've been watching my Bernie supporting friends come around this week, with only a couple exceptions. They see that Hillary isn't Bernie, but she's going to carry their values, and perhaps even do it better.

"80% Bernie" means 100% Hillary.
posted by dw at 11:40 AM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


Having an all-white support staff would definitely be a way to stand out in Palm Beach and would probably be seen as a way of signaling exclusivity in that way that Trump seems to like to portray. I could totally see him bringing in a host of Slovenian, Polish, Czech, etc workers as a way of not just getting an all-white work force but also having a moderately vulnerable population to intimidate and abuse.

Because he just seems like that sort of guy. As they say the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree and by all reports his father was a racist dillhole.
posted by vuron at 11:41 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


I didn't intend it that way. I was trying to highlight that to say Bernie and Hillary were substantively different on policy was silly.

I got that, didn't mean it as an slight on you.
posted by bongo_x at 11:42 AM on July 29, 2016


Doesn't Dishonest Donald make EVERYBODY sign an NDA?
posted by oneswellfoop at 11:47 AM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


The White Male-Head-Of-Family middle class (also known as Upper Middle Class) is melting away.

The middle is being squeezed no matter how you define it. Incomes have been stagnant for decades. The majority of kids in the public schools in the US are living in poverty.

All of these are serious issues, and the sort of economic conditions that can lead to someone like Trump getting elected; we've seen demagogues in other countries win on just these sorts of economic anxieties. The DNC put on a very hopeful program (it's understandable why they want to highlight the success of the last 8 years, and counter Trump's doom and gloom) but are most Americans feeling good about the economy and their place in it?
posted by cell divide at 11:51 AM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


Just wanted to add my thanks for the community here and also the thread-a-day policy for the conventions.

I feel so much better today than I did on Monday morning, with so much worry about the BOBers and the emails and the utter depressingness of the RNC in my head, I wasn't really confident in anything at that moment.

It's pretty amazing the DNC was run so well despite everything, and also a testament to Hillary's leadership in pulling it off. I couldn't have imagined it coming off better-
posted by localhuman at 11:53 AM on July 29, 2016 [19 favorites]


not a single Nazi salute, even
posted by knuckle tattoos at 11:59 AM on July 29, 2016 [16 favorites]


What I worry about, in spite of how well I feel the DNC went, and how poorly the RNC went by contrast, is the same sort of social media echo chamber that allowed brexit to squeak by in spite of every person who voted STAY being sure they were going to win, because they were so sure the numbers were with them.

This morning, I was talking with a guy in my company who is an avowed progressive with every intention of voting for Hillary ask me if I was afraid Trump was going to win because all he could hear was the rest of his family talking about how Trump was the only answer to dealing with the terrorists.

It's bad enough I can't conceive of thinking that way, but I suddenly realized nothing I follow reflects that point of view, and I hope like hell it's just me with that problem.
posted by Mooski at 12:04 PM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


Doesn't Dishonest Donald make EVERYBODY sign an NDA?

I can't say.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 12:05 PM on July 29, 2016 [18 favorites]


I've really been waiting for the pendulum to swing away from the "problematic faves" type of discourse in fandom space on Tumblr, because I think it leads to exactly the kind of polarization we're seeing in real life on the political level. There are so many good things that have come out of social justice discussions - a reexamination of intersectionality in feminism being a huge one - but in certain spaces, the purity politics have had a resurgence. It's very much about picking sides and putting yourself on the side of good (which naturally leaves people who disagree on the outside). The discussion turns away from, "Here are some serious issues I'd like to talk about," to more of a "This is problematic trash, and so are you for liking it," and people end up sorting themselves into smaller and smaller subgroups of increasingly fine levels of moral purity.

THIS. I've seen Tumblr fandom at it's worst, when it's decided to gang up on anyone with any take other than the accepted party line. More and more I've seen that segment of the left get involved with ideological purity. Anyone who steps up and makes a progressive statement is instantly criticized because "but 10 years ago they said something a little bad" or "don't forget this thing we didn't like in that other show you acted in" or whatever. More and more I've seen silencing of anyone not "pure" and it fills me with rage.

We have to accept that people aren't perfect and everyone makes mistakes, and sometimes we just fundamentally disagree or see things from different perspectives. But we should applaud the people who try to get better, who want to support the good causes, even if sometimes they are a little clumsy about it.

So the whole "Tumblr" culture thing is a little uncomfortable for me, because there is a dark echo chamber aspect of Tumblr when people turn their rage onto their allies rather than the people who should be their enemies. And I think there's a good amount of overlap to the BoB's and their anger and obstructionism in the face of just not having the majority agree with them.

Which isn't to say that people shouldn't point out problematic things/statements, but increasingly it's a way of dismissing PEOPLE because they said the wrong thing or liked the wrong thing. Like you said, "Your faves are problematic trash and you are trash for liking them."
posted by threeturtles at 12:05 PM on July 29, 2016 [23 favorites]


I know someone related to Ryan, and if the way he describes him is even 10% accurate, I know in my heart that Ryan felt great shame watching Khan speak.

I want to know so much more about what this relative of Paul Ryan thinks. Like, why does Paul Ryan hock such ludicrous economic policies? Does he really know Tony Horton in real life? etc
posted by rorgy at 12:05 PM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


If we're going to get people on board with working to actually achieve a better society, we need to change the conversation. Particularly with people on the left with largely the same views but who don't like being told what to do (the one Buster I know has gone from posting about why Clinton is bad to cries of "Stop telling me who to vote for!") and don't trust the political system to accomplish the things they support (which is completely understandable but rejecting that system doesn't achieve anything).

The whole past few decades have been about political views. Do you believe this or that? Do you support this or oppose it? But views are personal and don't really do anything unless they're put to action. Views needs to be replaced in the conversation with goals. It doesn't matter what you believe. How are you going to achieve what you believe? And given the current reality we face, what are our options to get closer to there?

I feel like we have a start. An opening to actually achieving things by working on them. Not just complaining about how the current state of affairs doesn't match up with your beliefs.
posted by downtohisturtles at 12:07 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


Re: Not Your Shield - it really doesn't apply in this case. Gamergate was making Twitter accounts appear to be of people of color; the protesters at the DNC were not fictitious. I like that they could be there and express themselves; I'm even mostly ok with the chanting. She can't, and won't, meet the needs of every person - even right thinking people of good heart and enthusiastic spirit.

Deoridhe, thanks for this comment. Unfortunately I went to send threeants a memail, and it looks like he/she deactivated after leaving their last comment. In light of that, I wanted to repost your comment in case others missed it. Moving forward, I hope we can find ways to talk about politics on MeFi without jumping to insinuations that the people we disagree with are GamerGate.
posted by cobra_high_tigers at 12:09 PM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm tired of this expression that I'm just choosing the lessor of two evils. Hillary is not evil. She may have her faults, but no one is perfect. If perfection is the standard for not being evil; then in any choice between people we are choosing the lessor of two evils -- which is an absurd way to choose.
Alternatively if you think Hillary is fundamentally an "evil" person -- I'm left scratching my head and wondering about how you ever got there.
posted by humanfont at 12:12 PM on July 29, 2016 [60 favorites]


Joe Biden ‏@JoeBiden 2h2 hours ago

.@SarahEMcBride - Beau loved you, I love you, and all the Bidens are proud of you. -Joe


This makes me overwhelmingly hopeful.
posted by Sophie1 at 12:17 PM on July 29, 2016 [23 favorites]


"I'm tired of this expression that I'm just choosing the lessor of two evils. Hillary is not evil. She may have her faults, but no one is perfect. If perfection is the standard for not being evil; then in any choice between people we are choosing the lessor of two evils -- which is an absurd way to choose.
Alternatively if you think Hillary is fundamentally an "evil" person -- I'm left scratching my head and wondering about how you ever got there."


This. So hard. Wish I could favorite this multiple times.

Instead I'll re-post a write-up someone else had posted further up: Thinking About Hillary — A Plea for Reason
posted by Hairy Lobster at 12:18 PM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


Doesn't Dishonest Donald make EVERYBODY sign an NDA?

Yes. All campaigns have their inner staff sign NDA's.
In his businesses and presidential campaign, Trump requires nearly everyone to sign legally binding nondisclosure agreements prohibiting them from releasing any confidential or disparaging information about the real estate mogul, his family or his companies. Those subject to confidentiality agreements include senior advisers like Lewandowski, campaign volunteers and even a maker of his famous “Make America Great Again” hats.

The practice is also something the presumptive Republican nominee says he would consider requiring in the White House, raising concerns about government transparency and freedom of information laws.

According to a Trump nondisclosure agreement obtained by The Associated Press, the celebrity billionaire has broad discretion over what could constitute a breach of confidentiality.

Employees are restricted from publicly disclosing information “of a private, proprietary or confidential nature or that Mr. Trump insists remain private or confidential,” according to the document. It also requires them to return or destroy copies of any confidential information upon Trump’s request. The agreement is binding during employment and “and at all times thereafter.”

The document was provided to The AP by a former Trump employee, who did so on the condition that the AP would not identify this person by name or make public the multipage document. Campaign staff to Hillary Clinton, the presumptive Democratic nominee, also had to sign nondisclosure forms, according to a campaign aide. The Clinton campaign would not release a copy of the form when asked by the AP.

It’s not just Trump who is protected by his campaign’s confidentiality agreement. Making disparaging comments about “any member of Mr. Trump’s family, including but not limited to, Mr. Trump’s spouse, each of Mr. Trump’s children and grandchildren and their respective spouses” is grounds for legal action. All of Trump’s children are listed by name in the document, including his 10-year-old son, Barron.

posted by zarq at 12:18 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


It's not fair to make me tear up at work, Sophie1.
posted by dinty_moore at 12:19 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump continues to solicit fundraising abroad, from the Former Prime Minister of Finland.
posted by peeedro at 12:25 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


I really feel like you don't understand that, for an increasing number of Americans, the 'issue that's near and dear to their heart' is their basic, day-to-day survival.

I have, for the last several months, been hanging onto survival by my fingernails, living on what my husband has been able to make waiting tables and washing dishes. We are both chronically ill, and I cannot work (other than what I can bring in a bit at a time running a very small business.)

If Donald Trump wins, I will almost definitely not survive. We rely on the ACA to survive. One of my husband's medications costs $600/month with no insurance. Without it, he can literally die. There have been times when we had insurance that we payed near 50% of our income to medical expenses.

So, while I may not like drone strikes, and may have disagreements with Clinton on some other issues, I'm personally voting for my SURVIVAL. And I think anyone who thinks that's not the case has an astounding amount of privilege.
posted by threeturtles at 12:29 PM on July 29, 2016 [79 favorites]


downtohisturtles: the one Buster I know has gone from posting about why Clinton is bad to cries of "Stop telling me who to vote for!"

This is exactly the biggest complaint I see from my most dug-in Sandersist friends and acquaintances. It's why I don't post even the most well-reasoned essays I see about the perils of voting third party, or why Trump is The Greatest Menace. I'm working to engage on specific areas of agreement and disagreement, try to counter outright falsehoods or offer evidence against certain misconceptions (like that "Stanford study"-that-wasn't, but is widely used as "proof" of voter fraud, especially in California). It's exhausting, but honestly I think it's important to, yes, listen and treat people with respect. For the first time I've even deleted comments on Facebook when other friends get snarky or obnoxious with the recalcitrant folks. These posts are visible to friends only, and while Facebook "friendship" is a broad umbrella, I don't want to host petty squabbles. Everyone can find those elsewhere.

I'm slowly making some inroads. I may or may not end up persuading them to actually pull the lever in November, but at the very least I'm not contributing (I don't think) to the fractiousness that will get in the way of work that needs to be done before and after the election, whatever the outcome.
posted by Superplin at 12:32 PM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


In his businesses and presidential campaign, Trump requires nearly everyone to sign legally binding nondisclosure agreements prohibiting them from releasing any confidential or disparaging information about the real estate mogul, his family or his companies. Those subject to confidentiality agreements include senior advisers like Lewandowski, campaign volunteers and even a maker of his famous “Make America Great Again” hats.

The practice is also something the presumptive Republican nominee says he would consider requiring in the White House, raising concerns about government transparency and freedom of information laws.


Turkish Penal Code: ARTICLE 299
(1) Anyone who insults the President of the Republic shall be imprisoned for a term of from one to four years. (2) (Amended by Law 5377 dated 29 June 2005/Article 35) Where the offence is committed in public, the sentence shall be increased by one sixth.
 
posted by Herodios at 12:32 PM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]




If Donald Trump wins, I will almost definitely not survive. We rely on the ACA to survive.

Bit derailly but: I do not think you need be too concerned about DT repealing the ACA. Yeah it could happen but I think it would be more like the bathroom bills that get proposed but are slapped down hard by business. The medical industry does not want to have to do another generational-level sea change just 6 years after the ACA was passed and they would let their voice be known in DC.

So I mean there are still plenty of horrifying things to worry about with DT but this should be low on the list of probable outcomes.
posted by tivalasvegas at 12:37 PM on July 29, 2016


So, while I may not like drone strikes, and may have disagreements with Clinton on some other issues, I'm personally voting for my SURVIVAL. And I think anyone who thinks that's not the case has an astounding amount of privilege.

And this is where I disagree with "let's let the whole thing collapse so a revolution will happen" people. Victories build victory - if threeturtles had guaranteed housing and medical care, they could be doing all kinds of stuff politically, from volunteering or writing to working to get better material accommodations for disability. Because threeturtles and their husband are just barely hanging on, all their energy is going to survival, and they will need to vote for anyone who keeps them cared for.

This is why the right smashes down any tiny attempt at reform - you can make the case for, e.g., a moderate increase in the minimum wage or some rinky-dink regulation of working hours, and the right will smash it down, and you'll think "but this would really not cost you anything"...and the reason they smash it down is because when workers start to win, they start to demand more. It's never just "could we get paid for our overtime please", it's "we want paid sick days and vacation time and retirement" and "we want to determine what goes on on the shop floor, and we want to be able to get rid of sexist managers" and, and, and....History is very clear that empowering workers a little bit leads them to want more power over their own lives, not less.

And this is why I think that a Trump presidency will be far, far worse for everyone than a Clinton presidency, and why it will not generate revolution or positive social change. A Trump presidency will smash us all down far below where we are now, and it will be the work of generations to get back even to this point.
posted by Frowner at 12:38 PM on July 29, 2016 [66 favorites]


It's Buzzfeed, okay, but it's adorable - they assembled 17 Pictures of Bill Clinton Frolicking in Balloons.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 12:39 PM on July 29, 2016 [17 favorites]


(Not to impugn your participation here, threeturtles, or to suggest that you're not doing stuff! Just that on average, people who are barely hanging in there can't do all the things they'd like to do and are capable of.)
posted by Frowner at 12:40 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


I swear at one point I saw Kaine pick up one of the big balloons, and throw it into the air as if to serve it volleyball style, then as he drew back his right hand to swing, he realized he threw it way too hard as it drifted way above him. Then he sheepishly played it off and walked away. I rewatched the video on youtube and couldn't find it. Am I making this up?
posted by DynamiteToast at 12:41 PM on July 29, 2016


Yeah it could happen but I think it would be more like the bathroom bills that get proposed but are slapped down hard by business.

As opposed to the bathroom bills that business doesn't like but that got passed anyway and are still law?
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 12:42 PM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


> Bit derailly but: I do not think you need be too concerned about DT repealing the ACA. Yeah it could happen but I think it would be more like the bathroom bills that get proposed but are slapped down hard by business.

Do Not Trust Business To Act In Your Interest
posted by mrzarquon at 12:44 PM on July 29, 2016 [11 favorites]


I am amazed that anyone still thinks that Donald Trump, once in office, could be restrained from doing something simply because it is a terrible idea.
posted by kyrademon at 12:45 PM on July 29, 2016 [23 favorites]


Donald Trump, once in office, would do most of his things BECAUSE they are terrible ideas.
posted by oneswellfoop at 12:47 PM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]




This was pretty surprising to me:

Donald Trump and RNC top Clinton in Final Night Viewership

I believe the DNC got more viewers every other night, but I guess people tuned in to see Trump specifically?
posted by cell divide at 12:48 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


I can't even. Trump is counting his twitter followers and facebook followers as two different groups.

This going back to my point we need an unfollow trump campaign, even for those who want to "keep tabs" on him.
posted by mrzarquon at 12:50 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


Seems likely.

I am really anxiously awaiting the post-convention polls, because that was as about as competent and spirited presentation of the idea that America should be an inclusive, loving yet strong nation that accepts a wide range of views as could be asked for. And if it didn't work... then it's pretty much proof that you can't make that work as a political position, and that is going to depress the goddamn hell out of me.
posted by tavella at 12:51 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


So...Donald Trump is Immortan Joe? And Hillary Clinton is one-armed Furiosa? Hmmm... Could work!

I seriously need to see this as a Photoshop.
posted by rifflesby at 12:51 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


And before anyone gets too personally concerned for me, we just got really good financial news about my husband's new position so we're long-term good. But the assumption that only rich people are supporting Clinton or that these issues are philosophical and removed is ridiculous.
posted by threeturtles at 12:52 PM on July 29, 2016 [29 favorites]


I believe the DNC got more viewers every other night, but I guess people tuned in to see Trump specifically?

Probably. Hillary is a known entity, and people who hate her already know essentially what she will say. With trump there's the car wreck aspect, and the fact that his incompetence means he could say almost anything.
posted by codacorolla at 12:53 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


So...Donald Trump is Immortan Joe? And Hillary Clinton is one-armed Furiosa? Hmmm... Could work!

I seriously need to see this as a Photoshop.


I'm still waiting on my Hillary as Daenerys with Kaine, Biden, and Obama as her dragons.
posted by misskaz at 12:56 PM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


Warren is one of her dragons!
posted by zutalors! at 12:58 PM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


I seriously need to see this as a Photoshop.

I'm still waiting on my Hillary as Daenerys with Kaine, Biden, and Obama as her dragons.


It's a Photoshop Quartet!
 
posted by Herodios at 12:59 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


Immortan Trump
posted by stet at 12:59 PM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


A tale of two dresses and a stage filled with balloons

"I'm just saying, don't sleep on black people. Don't do it. We use shade like it's the Force."
posted by chaoticgood at 1:02 PM on July 29, 2016 [13 favorites]




Tim Kaine and Balloons

(fun fact: my mom doesn't remember my first word, but apparently my first sentence was "bad girl pop balloons" - so Balloons/Giant Balloons 2016 all the way)
posted by mrzarquon at 1:06 PM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


Bit derailly but: I do not think you need be too concerned about DT repealing the ACA.

Trump doesn't have to do a thing to repeal the ACA except actually sign one of the bills the yahoo Republicans in Congress keep passing that does exactly that. And how many times have they tried, even knowing Obama would veto it if it ever got to his desk?
posted by Gelatin at 1:07 PM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


(On a similar note, I've said before that Trump will likely sign whatever crackpot conservative wish-list legislation Congress sees fit to put on his desk. Why wouldn't he?)
posted by Gelatin at 1:08 PM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


You guys. Tim Kaine knows how to spell. He is the best speller.
posted by btfreek at 1:09 PM on July 29, 2016 [11 favorites]


Well, if Congress shoots down his idea to add himself to Mt. Rushmore he might veto some things to be vindictive, but otherwise yeah.
posted by ckape at 1:10 PM on July 29, 2016


Trump won't sign anything the Republicans pass as long as he's in the middle of a dick measuring contest with Ryan/McConnell. Keep them fighting among themselves and he'll veto Republican bills out of spite.
posted by downtohisturtles at 1:11 PM on July 29, 2016


You guys. Tim Kaine knows how to spell. He is the best speller.

You mean that, just like Trump, Tim Kaine knows words? But are they the best words?
posted by zachlipton at 1:13 PM on July 29, 2016


So...Donald Trump is Immortan Joe? And Hillary Clinton is one-armed Furiosa? Hmmm... Could work!

ATLANTIC CITY - "I live, I die, I live again! Shiny and chrome!" said New Jersey Governor Chris Christie on Thursday, as he spraypainted his upper lip.
posted by XMLicious at 1:15 PM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


I didn't mean that I thought Hillary Clinton was "evil," I don't think that at all.

It's just that no one who has made the compromises necessary to get into public office and stay there can be ideologically pure--so therefore all the candidates contain some degree of "evil." When I decided not to choose the lesser evil and to instead cast my vote for ideological purity in 2000, the greater evil didn't look nearly as evil as this one does (being, apparently, just a harmless fool, no one having realized that Darth Cheney would be the real emperor). And the lesser evil looked way, way more evil than does the Clinton/Kaine option. No democrat would come out in support of gay marriage then, people in the military were still being told to lie about being gay then, the democrats were mealymouthing and sidestepping questions about abortion then, and then Lieberman came on TV and told me that I was going to be required to believe in a fictional skymonster. The democrats appeared to be running scared, so I figured it would be good to show them that they were scared of the wrong thing, and that throwing liberal causes aside could lose them votes. This time could not be more different--all the causes were right there, front and center. They were the whole point of the whole show.

My favorite thing about this whole experience has been finding out despite myself that I have no idea who Hillary Clinton is. I never thought she was "evil," but I also didn't know her, not at all, despite the fact that she's been right there the whole time. I remember I objected in the 1990s to the constant harassment of her based on her hairbands and failure to bake cookies and suchlike, but then I couldn't understand why, as wife of the president, she was making policy. I didn't have any sense of who she was or what she'd been doing all her life, but I thought I did because I thought her title was FLOTUS. I still didn't have any notion who she was in 2008 when she ran against Obama. I was still in the "What?" mode. Like I knew she'd graduated from law school or whatever, but I was still like, "Wait, why did she suddenly get to be a senator? She's not from New York! What? She was just a FLOTUS. Huh?" At some point I finally read something, not, I want to stress, because I sought it out, because I didn't, probably because a magazine was open in front of me in a waiting room. It was a story of the life of Bill and Hillary that for once went into her bio in some depth, and then I got a ghost of an inkling that I'd been unfair to her. But not until now, and only because the conventions were pure crack to me, have I really realized that there is an actual person there, with an actual complicated story that I do not know. I absolutely believe that is down to the superior star power of the men who surround her. Bill Clinton and then Obama. It's simply lazy sexism. It's the "pantsuit" factor destroying my ability to pay attention to things that matter, yet again.

It shames me to admit this, but I haven't paid attention because she hasn't got the charisma. That is really it. And that is terrible because it has left me--and who knows how many other voters who think they're making an informed decision but actually know next to nothing--vulnerable to the bad press about her.
posted by Don Pepino at 1:15 PM on July 29, 2016 [31 favorites]


It shames me to admit this, but I haven't paid attention because she hasn't got the charisma. That is really it. And that is terrible because it has left me--and who knows how many other voters who think they're making an informed decision but actually know next to nothing--vulnerable to the bad press about her.

And that has nothing to do with her, and everything to do with you.

And it's high time you and others realized that.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 1:18 PM on July 29, 2016 [34 favorites]


Hey, so one other thing I thought was really cool about this four-day extravaganza of awesome:

We're so conditioned to seeing the people in charge - of politics, of the military - as white men. The vast "white men" demographic is one that Clinton has reportedly struggled with, so in a way they're still given outside importance above their sheer numbers.

I was reflecting back on some of the white men we saw at the convention, and I'm impressed by what fantastic examples they were of true allies to women in power. Bill Clinton, Tim Kaine, Joe Biden, Gen. John Allen...these are guys with a lot of power in their own right, and they were there to make a forceful defense of why one woman in particular was the best possible choice for leader of the country and Commander in Chief of the armed forces.

I didn't see a hint of bluster, or aggrieved masculinity, or the sense that they were fighting their instincts to make sure everyone knew that they were still calling the shots. No, they embraced their roles as backups and surrogates, and they looked like they were incredibly proud to do so. That really made an impression on me.
posted by Salieri at 1:22 PM on July 29, 2016 [32 favorites]


it's high time you and others realized that.
It's several decades past time, yes.
posted by Don Pepino at 1:22 PM on July 29, 2016 [10 favorites]


You guys. Tim Kaine knows how to spell. He is the best speller.

Ah this is incredible. At like 1:43 when he goes up for the win and she addresses him "Senator Kaine" and he starts spelling Senator with a silly grin on his face. Wonderful.
posted by DynamiteToast at 1:22 PM on July 29, 2016 [10 favorites]


It's several decades past time, yes.
Thanks for owning up to that, Don Pepino. FWIW, I think it took a lot of guts and integrity to admit the things you have in this thread.

If it doesn't sound too patronizing, I'm both proud of you, and expectant that you'll now commit yourself to ensuring that other people see the things you weren't able to through all that time.
posted by adamgreenfield at 1:26 PM on July 29, 2016 [13 favorites]




Oh my god, that's that's literally the "Hi, Hungry, I'm Dad" joke. How were the Twitter memes this spot-on.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:27 PM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


Watching Bill with the balloons made me reflect on the fact that he's a grandfather now. My dad was not really a playful guy when my brother and I were growing up but since he's become a grandfather, he's silly and fun even when the grandkids aren't around. I think being more or less in his post-career years combined with having grandkids has just let my dad (and Bill) feel like he can just cut loose finally.

As for Kaine and balloons, I think he's just maybe the world's happiest fella.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:27 PM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


Tim Kaine is a nonpareil speller.
posted by kirkaracha at 1:27 PM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


Imagine being Charlotte Clinton Mezvinsky, with possibly your first memories that you keep being your grandmother becoming the first woman president. Watch out, world.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:33 PM on July 29, 2016 [18 favorites]


This was pretty surprising to me: Donald Trump and RNC top Clinton in Final Night Viewership

That article has an update:
"the last night of the 2016 DNC had 33.3 million viewers to the RNC closing night’s 34.9 million"
So the totals were very close and don't include streaming viewers. Don't you think the younger-skewing Democrats made up the difference on smart phones and laptops?
posted by msalt at 1:34 PM on July 29, 2016 [9 favorites]


TIM KAINE: n...o...n...p...a...r...
posted by prize bull octorok at 1:34 PM on July 29, 2016


So about a year ago is when I moved from KY to WA. One of the things I was looking forward to was that I could be an independent voter, but still vote in the primaries. Largely symbolic, but the point is that I was really looking forward to being able to leave the Democratic party, because I had felt that the party had long ago abandoned me and many others. This wasn't just a gut feeling - I often tried to work within the party, but while they were glad to use me for their own means, my voice was very clearly unwelcome, and there was the "good ol' boys" club I knew that I'd never be part of.

Cut to today - I am proud to call myself a Democrat, and I feel engaged in the party again. I cannot emphasize how dramatic of a shift this is - but I feel that the party has become much more welcoming to those who aren't quite so centrist. I'm excited for where it is going, and I know that they will not represent 100% of what I believe and never will, but I feel like I have a voice again.

Now I say this based purely on what I am seeing on the national stage - For all I know, nothing has changed in KY - but for the first time, I think it actually CAN. But it won't happen passively - I think it is upon us to hold the state-wide and regional Democratic organizations accountable to this inclusiveness.

When I moved from KY, I had felt some guilt that I would be one less vote towards progressive ideals in KY, but I also felt that it was a lost cause - a drop in the ocean. I don't think it has to be that way anymore - but it won't happen without our direct involvement, and that is a major reason (among MANY others) I cannot fathom being involved with a third party at this time. If we shift the window far enough so that the Democratic party I knew at one time is the new conservative party and there is a new major party that I feel better represents my interests, then at that time I will leave the Democratic party- but as long as they are the major party that's willing to hear my voice and allow me to fight for my ideals, then I will remain with them.

Much love to the KY Democrats I left behind - and for what it's worth, I'm sorry I gave up on you.
posted by MysticMCJ at 1:36 PM on July 29, 2016 [11 favorites]


I was actually just thinking this afternoon, I wonder how the viewing numbers for the conventions break down along hate-watchers vs. just-regular-watching-a-convention-watchers and if the RNC had more hate-watchers.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:37 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


So the totals were very close and don't include streaming viewers. Don't you think the younger-skewing Democrats made up the difference on smart phones and laptops?

And recording for later (or YouTube-ing). I watched the first three nights more or less live, but this younger-skewing Democrat had Thursday-evening plans (It's the new Friday! So I have heard!) and hasn't yet seen the nominee's acceptance speech.
posted by psoas at 1:37 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


oh man psoas you haven't seen it yet? it's a great speech, although I thought the part where she vowed to nail her vanquished opponent by wrist and ankle to the "T" on his own Trump Tower signage as a warning to all nations was a bit much
posted by prize bull octorok at 1:40 PM on July 29, 2016 [25 favorites]


so did we ever find out if the All Gender Restrooms at the DNC caused a rift in space-time or not?
posted by AFABulous at 1:47 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


Also, do the ratings account for the people who shut off Trump's speech partway through because good grief just no
posted by ckape at 1:51 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


I used to be in love with HRC way back when, and I liked everything she did in the Clinton administration. But the Secretary of State years were dark for me (as a brown person), and as recently as last week I was in the "hold nose and support her" camp.

The convention made made me take look back and do some more research. I have always considered myself a feminist (to the extent that a man can be a feminist), and I knew that she got a lot of misogynistic shit. I can now see that my dislike of her was in fact internalized sexism. Hell, if Elie Wiesel got the amount of shit she got over a quarter century, people would consider him a monster too.

I would support Inanimate Carbon Rod over that short-fingered vulgarian; but I've realized now that I'm not anti-Trump, I'm pro-HRC. No person can be expected to support 100% of my views, but I believe HRC is with me on the things I consider the most important: human rights (which includes women's rights, religious rights, LGBTQ rights, and civil rights). For the rest, we just need to remember that our job is not over if HRC is elected; we have to keep up the pressure on the other things like regulating Wall Street and stopping "extra legal killings" by drones.

I'm going to file my N-400. I won't be able to vote for HRC in this election, but I'm going to do everything that is legal for a non-citizen to do. (And after I get naturalized, I'm going to get involved in the local party and work on local races.)
posted by phliar at 1:53 PM on July 29, 2016 [46 favorites]


Sigh. Watching Trump's rally (livestream link) here in Colorado Springs, just six miles up the road from me. He just called Hill's amazing speech "mediocre" and is judging his success by the Nielsen ratings. Also his set was prettier!
posted by mochapickle at 1:55 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


Also last night we had this Biblical hailstorm right before he arrived. Thunder, lightning, gloom and doom. He's got his own weather system.
posted by mochapickle at 1:56 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


so did we ever find out if the All Gender Restrooms at the DNC caused a rift in space-time or not?

Some people were apparently deeply confused (for the record, there were apparently plenty of traditional M/F restrooms as well). Sarah Westwood of the Washington Examiner got a bunch of attention for calling them "Unnecessarily confusing." Apparently, she wasn't happy with pumping milk in there, and was seemingly unaware of the two facilities the DNC set aside precisely so people would have a more comfortable place to do that.

Anyway, it's been 19 years since Ally Mcbeal first aired, so people really shouldn't find the concept so confusing by now.
posted by zachlipton at 1:56 PM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


Immortan Don: "Mediocre. "
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:56 PM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump: "When I said hit, I meant verbally." Sure.
posted by mochapickle at 2:00 PM on July 29, 2016


whoa. so dancing baby is just about graduating.
posted by andrewcooke at 2:01 PM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


FFS. After all the amazing speeches at the DNC this week, Trump's rambling and ranting is just pathetic.
posted by homunculus at 2:02 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


Some people were apparently deeply confused

omg why are people who don't like the idea taking pictures/video in a bathroom? They're the problem!!
posted by AFABulous at 2:02 PM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


Anyway, it's been 19 years since Ally Mcbeal first aired, so people really shouldn't find the concept so confusing by now.

Rock/punk clubs in the 80's, but most people are probably looking for a different atmosphere now.
posted by bongo_x at 2:02 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


For those who didn't live through Bill Clinton's first presidential race, this clip from 1992, about Hillary Clinton's crack about not staying home and baking cookies, will give you some sense of what she's been through on the campaign trail. Twenty-four years ago, folks!
posted by carrienation at 2:03 PM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


wtf is this trump rally word salad
posted by stolyarova at 2:03 PM on July 29, 2016


Some people were apparently deeply confused

I can't help but wonder if the bathrooms in their houses have men/women signs on the door, then.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:04 PM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump proposing that war orders/strategy documents be delivered by COURIER. (Colorado Springs is ringed by five military bases, and battle communications are currently delivered by highly advanced satellite systems. The military folks here are quite proud of these systems.)
posted by mochapickle at 2:04 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


Of course that's what Trump meant (as of now). The words Trump says don't actually have any meaning to him until after the fact when he's talking about them again and that meaning will only hold until the next time he talks about it (or more likely when he finishes speaking the current time). And so on and so forth. He'll say the same sentence ten times but say he meant something different every time.
posted by downtohisturtles at 2:05 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm going to file my N-400.

I've mentioned here before that I work with a certain agency that processes certain forms, and from my vantage point I just want to suggest the earlier you file, the better your chance of getting naturalized (and being eligible to vote) before the election.

Also, we are digitizing our system and the changeover is coming at a particularly busy time for us.
posted by psoas at 2:05 PM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


Also a woman in the audience distracted the shit out of him. Now he's going on about how he's going to get Bernie supporters.
posted by stolyarova at 2:06 PM on July 29, 2016


"Bernie sold his soul to the devil. He seemed like a tough guy, tough tough tough tough, and then at the end, he folded."
posted by stolyarova at 2:07 PM on July 29, 2016


OK I have to turn off the livestream. Just hearing Trump's voice raises my blood pressure too much.
posted by stolyarova at 2:08 PM on July 29, 2016


Also a woman in the audience distracted the shit out of him. Now he's going on about how he's going to get Bernie supporters.

Get like convince or get like somehow come after Bernie supporters and their little dogs, too?
posted by dinty_moore at 2:08 PM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


Claims the only reason the police went up on Day 4 was because Trump complained there was no presence. Never mind that they've been on the schedule all along.
posted by mochapickle at 2:08 PM on July 29, 2016


Watching Trump's rally, wondering, where are your protest farts now, hmm?
posted by carrienation at 2:08 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


Why bother? The biggest bag o'gas is already onstage.
posted by dinty_moore at 2:09 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]




A small piece of good news: Koch brothers refuse to meet with Trump.
posted by stolyarova at 2:11 PM on July 29, 2016 [13 favorites]


BTW, Trump partly picked Pence because he hoped Pence's connections to the Kochs would result in donations. No such luck, it looks like.
posted by stolyarova at 2:13 PM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


@randygdub, linking to a Donald Trump Instagram video: why is trump running anti bernie ads like he's running against him

@TweTro, in response: "Sanders fans, your guy mondo sucks. He's an idiot, and you are stupid for liking someone so bad. vote for me though"
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 2:13 PM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


During the rally just now, Trump said he has "certainly one of the best temperaments of anybody that’s ever run for the office of president."
posted by stolyarova at 2:14 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


Anyone know how to silence an airport TV screen? Because OF COURSE it's tuned to CNN, and OF COURSE CNN is showing the ambulatory pumpkin.
posted by Liesl at 2:15 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


Harrington also shared a reader’s concern that toilet seats might be left up or down or have urine on them. It’s unclear if she has ever lived in a house or existed in any other space that only has a single-use restroom.

When I'm out with my daughter at malls and other public spaces with a ton of foot traffic, I usually have her come into the men's restroom with me, so she's not going into the ladies' room unaccompanied. We enter a stall, she does her thing, we wash hands and leave.

I don't know what it's like in the ladies' rooms, but the men's room is invariably a pigsty. Men's room toilets can be truly disgusting -- sometimes covered with urine or worse. I have gotten into the habit of lowering and cleaning toilet seats with toilet paper for her before she sits down, because i don't want her anywhere near people's urine, feces or heaven forbid, other secretions. I scrub my hands afterwards, and drench them in antibacterial gel.

A convention center bathroom is not the same as a single-use restroom in your home or a small business.
posted by zarq at 2:15 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


I mean, the rest of the complaints in that article are idiotic. But still.
posted by zarq at 2:17 PM on July 29, 2016


ugh "we're like a third-world country" again. "you go over to dubai, you go to places in china" wtf
posted by stolyarova at 2:18 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


"I really like that group. Of course, if they write badly of me, I'll take it back."
posted by stolyarova at 2:19 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's seriously doubling-down on the message "America sucks"? Guys, I think we're going to win this.
posted by biogeo at 2:20 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]




"Think of what we could do if we had REAL PEOPLE running our government."

What, does he think they're robots? Mannequins?
posted by stolyarova at 2:20 PM on July 29, 2016


Whenever the Neon Yam does that thing where he swings his right hand whilst talking, with the index finger making a circle with this thumb, it looks like he's directing a tiny orchestra that's on the podium.
posted by spinifex23 at 2:21 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


Anyone know how to silence an airport TV screen?

Get roaring drunk at the bar?
posted by everybody had matching towels at 2:21 PM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


I'm so sad, guys. I felt so good and hopeful last night, and now crowds of my neighbors are at the rally shouting LOCK HER UP and BUILD THE WALL. So many they couldn't even all get into the event site. The Fire Marshall limited how many could go in and Trump called him incompetent for doing so.
posted by mochapickle at 2:22 PM on July 29, 2016


What, does he think they're robots? Mannequins?

Lizards.

Wake up, sheeple!
posted by Salieri at 2:22 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


What, does he think they're robots? Mannequins?

Prehistoric hobbit people of Flores Island?
posted by snofoam at 2:23 PM on July 29, 2016


sorry, bit of a side-track, but the trump/koch article above mentions "a tony resort in Colorado Springs."

google isn't helping me - it's turning up lots of resorts (or a colorado springs restaurant) called tony. so what is a "tony resort" (the lower case implying it is something generic)? thanks.
posted by andrewcooke at 2:23 PM on July 29, 2016


For a guy who thinks machismo is the be-all end-all of what a man should be, his hand gestures are surprisingly delicate.
posted by stolyarova at 2:23 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


OMG he's just put the United Nations in the same category as NATO in that he doesn't want to fund/support EITHER.
posted by stolyarova at 2:23 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Tony" just means "fancy." :)
posted by stolyarova at 2:24 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


google isn't helping me - it's turning up lots of resorts (or a colorado springs restaurant) called tony. so what is a "tony resort" (the lower case implying it is something generic)? thanks.

It means it's a nice resort that costs a lot to go to.
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 2:24 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


so what is a "tony resort"

Tony = posh
posted by Salieri at 2:24 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


Tony is an adjective meaning "fashionable among wealthy or stylish people."
posted by kyrademon at 2:24 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


andrewcooke, what's the link? The toniest resort here in COS is the Broadmoor. It's pretty fancy.
posted by mochapickle at 2:24 PM on July 29, 2016


And there are southern states without a minimum wage or a wage far below the current federal minimum that would kick in if the federal minimum were repealed.

Jumping off from that, I think if Trump put a 40 percent tariff on automobiles or fridges, then domestic prices of those items would go up 38 - 39 percent. And if factories were brought back stateside to make the now more expensive items, those factory jobs would go to Southern or other "right to work" states, possibly at quite low wages. I don't believe that high wage jobs are coming back, or that everyone will benefit from the potential trade barriers. Some people that are out of work will find work.
posted by puddledork at 2:24 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


huh. til. thanks!

(link from this comment)
posted by andrewcooke at 2:25 PM on July 29, 2016


No wait, it means one that only Iron Man is allowed to go to.

(Sheesh, you all move fast!)
posted by Salieri at 2:25 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think Trump has never heard the phrase "With great power comes great responsibility."

For him, it's just "With great power comes great power. Really terrific, believe me, we could do things that are unbelievable."
posted by stolyarova at 2:27 PM on July 29, 2016 [13 favorites]


But not until now, and only because the conventions were pure crack to me, have I really realized that there is an actual person there, with an actual complicated story that I do not know.
I was also vulnerable to this and, like you, found the convention extraordinarily effective in introducing me to HRC the human. But it was a friend of mine who made it all click for me yesterday. When he was campaigning for Obama in 2008 all of the volunteers were standing around gloating about their rock star candidate and taking pot shots at "robot Hillary" and her low chances. One person spoke up and said that the volunteers were lucky that Hillary belonged to a generation of folks who do not discuss personal history or private matters to any great depth, because her story of how she became inspired to a life of service is heartrending. While Hillary had a decent childhood and a warm relationship with her family, her mother's childhood was truly Dickensian. The level of abuse her mother and aunt experienced at the hands of their grandparents is shocking. But, as she said in her speech, her mother's ability to find small comforts from public servants--primarily teachers--convinced Hillary that well-meaning strangers who are public servants could help children just like her mother. And while I've been personally exposed to Hillary for decades and have read dozens of articles about her, I'd never heard any of this except for some vague references to her mother as a source of inspiration.
posted by xyzzy at 2:27 PM on July 29, 2016 [45 favorites]


MysticMCJ, the Kentucky Democratic Party is in the middle of a rebuilding period. Lots of demoralizing losses in recent years, some self-inflicted, but we managed to keep hold of the House, which kept the utter despair at bay and gave KY dems a reason to continue fighting. A few more victories may even convince the party that we can win by acting like actual Democrats and stop mimicking Republicans.

There is reason to be hopeful too. At precinct elections this spring, there were a lot more people than usual, at least at my precinct and the ones nearby in our very liberal neighborhood in Louisville. We even had enough people to fill out each of the four precinct positions (a man and a woman over 35 and a man and a woman 35 or younger). Many years zero people show up for precinct elections at all. My neighbor went to Philadelphia with the delegation, and I'm very eager to hear his stories.

Part of the renewed interest of course is because there is a hotly contested general election this year, but also Matt Bevin has been every bit of the disaster that was predicted. Nothing can energize like focus on a common enemy. I kinda wish McConnell was up for reelection this year instead of Rand Paul. Not denying KY is a red state, but Jim Gray is pretty popular in Lexington and he has tons of money. If Trump starts to drag the party down, who knows what could happen.
posted by chaoticgood at 2:28 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


Prehistoric hobbit people of Flores Island?

I had this window open while multitasking. I first read this as "Prehistoric hobbit people of Fire Island."
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:28 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


Some 114 of the university professors at the university event site complained about rally.
posted by mochapickle at 2:29 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


[After talking about Japan 'only' paying 50% of their defense costs]

"You have to always be prepared to walk. Even NATO."

"If Japan is attacked, we have to go with our full force and might and protect Japan?! If the United States is attacked, Japan doesn't have to lift a finger. Who makes these deals?"
posted by stolyarova at 2:30 PM on July 29, 2016


"Folks, I could stand here all day and tell you stories that you wouldn't believe."
Yes. Yes, you could. This is a statement of yours that I can support.
posted by Don Pepino at 2:31 PM on July 29, 2016 [17 favorites]


my face is palming just reading these quotes. so. much. stupid.
posted by tivalasvegas at 2:32 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


Who makes these deals?

There's a bit of history there. Trump must be unfamiliar with it.
posted by downtohisturtles at 2:32 PM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


"I'm running against a crooked person. I'm running against a dishonest person... we're running against a person that was just accused of being negligent and being other things and lying. How do you lie to the FBI? The answer is, she lied. Seriously, how do you lie to the FBI and now you're running for President? How does that happen?"

[CROWD] LOCK HER UP LOCK HER UP LOCK HER UP LOCK HER UP

"I've been saying, let's just beat her on November 8th, but you know what? I'm starting to agree with you... I don't have to be so nice anymore. I'm taking the gloves off. Take the gloves off. Right? Right? Take the gloves off."

[WILD CHEERS]

"TAKING THE GLOVES OFF!"
posted by stolyarova at 2:32 PM on July 29, 2016




If the United States is attacked, Japan doesn't have to lift a finger. Who makes these deals?

Just wait until we tell him about the Japanese constitution and its limited military.
posted by dis_integration at 2:32 PM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]




The Fire Marshall limited how many could go in and Trump called him incompetent for doing so.

So he just lost the Fire Marshall vote. After the next 100 days I don't know that there will be anyone in America left that he hasn't insulted.
posted by biogeo at 2:32 PM on July 29, 2016


There's a bit of history there. Trump must be unfamiliar with it.

He's not clear on the nuances of the NATO Wales Declaration?

Quel surprise.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:34 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


There's a bit of history there. Trump must be unfamiliar with it.

Given his apparently longstanding fascination with the concept of nuclear war, you would think he would be more up on, you know, the only war in human history ever to go nuclear.
posted by tivalasvegas at 2:35 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


The Houston Chronicle has joined the Washington Post in making an early endorsement of Hillary Clinton.
We could go on with issues, including her plans for sensible gun safety and for combatting terrorism - her policy positions are laid out in detail on her campaign web site - but issues in this election are almost secondary to questions of character and trustworthiness. We reject the "cartoon version" of Hillary Clinton (again to borrow her husband's phrase) in favor of a presidential candidate who has the temperament, the ability and the experience to lead this nation.

These are unsettling times, even if they're not the dark, dystopian end times that Trump lays out. They require a steady hand. That's not Donald Trump.
posted by Salieri at 2:36 PM on July 29, 2016 [20 favorites]


After the next 100 days I don't know that there will be anyone in America left that he hasn't insulted.

oo ooo pick me pick me I know this one
posted by tivalasvegas at 2:37 PM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh, now he's backtracking on mocking the reporter with a physical disability.

Keep on squirming, Neon Yam. Keep on squirming.
posted by spinifex23 at 2:38 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


"All Gender Restroom" Wow! Good for them using inclusive language that doesn't erase non-binary people.
*Clicks link—sees sign with those stupid stick figures, one wearing pants and one wearing a dress* :\ at least you tried
posted by metaphorever at 2:39 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


He's not even talking about plans or policies, and with this crowd he doesn't have to. "I have a good heart! And I'm a smart person!" [CHEERS]
posted by mochapickle at 2:40 PM on July 29, 2016


And now he's looped back to Kelly again. Organic brain disease?
posted by stolyarova at 2:41 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't buy into the whole "these kids today are special snowflakes" thing. There's always been people who think getting a piece off eggshell in their eye means they've suffered as much as somebody who lost a leg to shrapnel (M*A*S*H reference). Some people just grow up sheltered or hang around with such a homogeneous group that they honestly don't believe anyone feels differently then they.

When you're living in a small community, sometimes actions you take on a larger stage are aimed at consolidating power or gaining rep in that small community. I strongly suspect that part of the goal of some of the leaders of the post-Bernie busters was to gain respect in their smaller community. That rep from Hawaii who made middle finger during the roll call? She's a local hero among Hawaii Busters. They're praising her up and down for taking a stand against corruption. A stand? What are they even talking about? That's a stand? Well, not to us, but her pointed pointless gesture looked like heroism to them.

Anyhow, this comes back to the microagressions thing. I believe in microagressions but I don't think there's necessarily a shared understanding of what constitutes one. It's like the eggshell in the eye thing. I think the Busters wanted to have their right to disrupt respected by a huge number of people who did not want to be disrupted. They thought their numbers were much larger than they were and figured everyone else would get on board and were shocked and hurt that they were shouted down by tens of thousands of people. That push back to their aggression felt like aggression but since it was the same tactic they were using they didn't quite know what to do.

Sometimes, a little kid might punch a wall and say "the wall hurt me." Many of these Busters have strong and good beliefs but lack any sort of experience dealing with people with different beliefs or priorities. They don't really know about building coalitions or intersectionality. Most will figure it out, some will end up being old people yelling at clouds, just like in our generation and every generation.

Anyhow, good for them for going to the DNC. I don't think we're going to win most of them over and that's too bad but that's also ok. Focus on the people who are willing to listen - not on the people who think being asked to ponder the actual Republican platform is tantamount to being bullied.
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:41 PM on July 29, 2016 [10 favorites]


And now he's back to the fire marshal again! WTF
posted by stolyarova at 2:42 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


Sarah Westwood of the Washington Examiner got a bunch of attention for calling them "Unnecessarily confusing."

I guess she's young enough or new enough to DC not to remember the hot restaurant on M in Georgetown that notoriously had all-genders bathrooms. You'd walk into a big room with sinks down the middle and both sides had toilet stalls for privacy. But if she's really that confused - and not just being deliberately obtuse - then she never goes anywhere in DC that complies with the law. IIRC this regulation is coming up on 10 years old, though adoption took some time, and any single-person bathroom in DC is supposed to have signage indicating any gender can use it.

So if she really can't figure this out I'm not sure how she goes out drinking with her cohorts.
posted by phearlez at 2:42 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


More good news for voting rights:
Judge rules Kobach didn't have authority to create dial-tiered voting system. Suspended DMV voters can vote in all races in primary.
For those who don't know, Kris Kobach is Kansas' absolutely deranged and bigoted Secretary of State, and rather unsurprisingly is also a member of Trump's inner circle.
posted by zombieflanders at 2:42 PM on July 29, 2016 [18 favorites]


"We're gonna stop the Syrian migrants from coming into the United States. We don't know where they come from!"
posted by stolyarova at 2:43 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hey where's today's thread? Aren't we doing a new 3000 comment thread every day for the next 3 months?
posted by Justinian at 2:43 PM on July 29, 2016 [43 favorites]




"Now because of your fire marshal - who I don't like, who is probably a Democrat - probably a guy who doesn't get it..."
posted by stolyarova at 2:45 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


"We're gonna stop the Syrian migrants from coming into the United States. We don't know where they come from!"

I'll take "Places of origin" for $500, Alex.
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:45 PM on July 29, 2016 [17 favorites]


I'm going to file my N-400. I won't be able to vote for HRC in this election

If you have the money handy and cam get the forms mailed Monday, it might be possible if unlikely.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 2:46 PM on July 29, 2016


Did Trump get his security briefing today?
posted by stolyarova at 2:46 PM on July 29, 2016


Wait, both Trump and the Kochs are in town today?

Giant meteor, feel free to hit any time now. I've lived a good life.
posted by bibliowench at 2:47 PM on July 29, 2016 [13 favorites]


David Frum in The Atlantic: Why Donald Trump's Supporters Think He'll Win
posted by box at 2:48 PM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


Hey, the Kochs are pro-gay marriage, pro-criminal justice reform, and anti-Trump. They're awful, but at least an order of magnitude LESS awful than Cheeto Hitler.
posted by stolyarova at 2:49 PM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


Professor friend at the university where Trump spoke had to cancel class today because the campus was too crowded due to the rally.
posted by mochapickle at 2:49 PM on July 29, 2016


bibliowench, do you want to go to the Broodmoor tomorrow and make rude faces at the Kochs and Cory Gardner with me? (I am kidding, I can't go, but I am tempted.)
posted by mochapickle at 2:51 PM on July 29, 2016


box, I read that Frum article earlier and it is beyond terrifying.
posted by stolyarova at 2:51 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]




Hey, the Kochs are pro-gay marriage, pro-criminal justice reform, and anti-Trump. They're awful, but

god 2016 is weird
posted by DynamiteToast at 2:55 PM on July 29, 2016 [20 favorites]


I have a good heart! And I'm a smart person!

Sounds like Fredo in Godfather II: "I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!"
posted by kirkaracha at 2:57 PM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


I think our save file got corrupted guys, shit keeps glitching.
posted by stolyarova at 2:57 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


Hey, the Kochs are pro-gay marriage, pro-criminal justice reform, and anti-Trump. They're awful, but at least an order of magnitude LESS awful than Cheeto Hitler.

The Kochs are a pair of oil barons who have funded pretty much every foundation and think-tank that works to make life worse for everyone who isn't obscenely - and I mean obscenely - rich. They aren't an order of magnitude better than Trump just because they won't give money to him.
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 2:57 PM on July 29, 2016 [17 favorites]


We interrupt this coverage of the latest Two Minutes Hate to bring you a flashback from the '96 DNC:

"Ok but the 1996 DNC was lit"
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 2:59 PM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


The Kochs can be 1 TeraBad while Trump is 1 PetaBad, though.
posted by stolyarova at 3:00 PM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


I think our save file got corrupted guys, shit keeps glitching.

God just got bored, started screwing around with the config files to see what would happen.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 3:00 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]




As Newt Gingrich said a week or so ago, there is no more reality. There are only feelings.
posted by stolyarova at 3:02 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


The Kochs can be 1 TeraBad while Trump is 1 PetaBad, though.

I think their line of business fundamentally opposes sustained human life on earth, so we may not see eye to eye on this lol
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 3:04 PM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


bibliowench, do you want to go to the Broodmoor tomorrow and make rude faces at the Kochs and Cory Gardner with me?

Ugh - I'm not doing so well with crowds right now, especially hostile ones, but I will send good vibes your way. Just be careful. These people are crazy.
posted by bibliowench at 3:05 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


"Ok but the 1996 DNC was lit"

Fucking macarena! also that macrame is fly
posted by dis_integration at 3:05 PM on July 29, 2016


Anything above 1 GigaBad fundamentally opposes sustained human life on earth, IMO. We don't actually disagree, no need for a circular firing squad here.
posted by stolyarova at 3:05 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]




box: "David Frum in The Atlantic: Why Donald Trump's Supporters Think He'll Win"

he's the human equivalent of REAL ESTATE INVESTOR SEEKS APPRENTICE signs I see on the road
posted by boo_radley at 3:06 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


And I'm sure she has some 'fake answers'
posted by Sys Rq at 3:07 PM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


Jill Stein on vaccines: People have ‘real questions’

Wait, I thought we weren't doing "Jill Stein..." anymore.
posted by tonycpsu at 3:09 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


A la Chris Rock. "Keeping it real. Real dumb."
posted by phearlez at 3:09 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


MSNBC cut away from Trump's live presser to go back to talking heads, and at first I was like, yeah that makes sense, it was boring. But it was boring because it was totally incoherent and pointless. Just an angry idiot winging it in front of cameras. THAT IS NEWSWORTHY.

a major candidate for POTUS is less coherent than angry dudes who yell on soapboxes! TALK ABOUT THAT.
posted by schadenfrau at 3:09 PM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


If I never hear the phrase "I'm just asking questions" again it will be just fine thanks
posted by tivalasvegas at 3:10 PM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


Hey, the Kochs are pro-gay marriage, pro-criminal justice reform, and anti-Trump. They're awful, but at least an order of magnitude LESS awful than Cheeto Hitler.

Respectfully, can we maybe not make facile Hitler comparisons?
posted by zarq at 3:10 PM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


We don't actually disagree, no need for a circular firing squad here.

I call a floor vote to blackball the splitter who doesn't understand the revolutionary necessity of circular firing squads
posted by prize bull octorok at 3:12 PM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


Can we make non-facile Hitler comparisons? Nobody is Hitler until they are, but that doesn't mean that there isn't proto-fascism going on with Trump.
posted by Justinian at 3:12 PM on July 29, 2016 [8 favorites]


I made a new thread. Hopefully the mods are okay with it since this thread is full and hard to
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:14 PM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


Trump just said if he loses, it's not his fault, it's "because you people get lazy, you don't vote."
posted by chris24 at 3:14 PM on July 29, 2016 [4 favorites]


pssh it's like none of you are REAL members of the Judean People's Front.
posted by stolyarova at 3:14 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


Thank you r317!
posted by stolyarova at 3:15 PM on July 29, 2016


As Newt Gingrich said a week or so ago, there is no more reality. There are only feelings.

Okay, but is there good evidence to support this idea?
posted by biogeo at 3:15 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


Can we make non-facile Hitler comparisons?

I have.

Which is why I said "facile."
posted by zarq at 3:17 PM on July 29, 2016


I'll never understand the human propensity for ranking disliked persons in order of their badness. Didn't understand it when I was growing up evangelical, don't understand it now.
posted by tivalasvegas at 3:17 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


If there is now a US military base in Saudi, it is classified and mentioning it should have legal consequences.

Chances are, he means Eskan, which is where people associated with USMTM live. It's not really a base, under the definition of the term, but it is military housing used by deployed personnel, and has a very similar look/feel.

I assume we pay rent on it, and for our use of Saudi-operated airstrips/etc.
posted by toxic at 3:21 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


tonycpsu: you make some important points about disengagement, but what's your counterfactual? What path is there between where the political system is now and what you seem to be pushing for, where actors within that system would be appealing enough to earn the trust of the disaffected voters you're channeling here?

It starts with moving the party away from the sentiment I originally responded to: That the Democratic party is just and right and good because it has the support of Wall Street and Silicon Valley; it has to move away from the idea that the interests of technocratic, neoliberal elites are at all the same as the average citizen. It has to abandon the notion that 'the system is working just fine', because for vast segments of the population it isn't. That's exactly why we're even having this conversation, or why there's even a debate about Clinton's electability in the face of someone as loathsome as Trump.

Talez: Trump wants to hand back minimum wage to the states. Hillary has tried on multiple occasions to raise the minimum wage and bring more back to the lower and middle class. The people who are trying to not lose will lose the hardest they've ever lost if a Trump presidency happens. There is no question about this. There is no dispute in facts. There is no alternative.

Tell that to the working mother suffering under the welfare cuts the Clintons championed; or the family of someone locked up under the draconian laws they pushed for. Or, for that matter, the Muslim who doesn't have family in the military, but lost family to it in any of the wars she's supported.

You can repeat that Trump is worse all you want, and you'll be correct in that assessment. But you absolutely cannot expect people who have suffered time and again due to her decisions to be at all enthused about her just because she gave a pretty speech. And people who aren't enthused don't vote.

zarq: You don't know me. That's okay. But speaking as someone whose family lives paycheck to paycheck and who spent three years as a teenager living below the poverty line, I do.

And if it's day to day survival we're discussing, then that's not a matter of what the lesser of two evils is to me. I vote Democrat because of those experiences. I'm in my 40's. Have watched Republicans run our economy into the ground every chance they got and cut social services and treat the poor and disadvantaged like absolute shit for decades. Denying them... denying us opportunities.


And who was working right alongside the Republicans to slash those services, when they weren't leading the charge to do so themselves? The Democrats, led in many cases by the Clintons. That's why I feel you don't understand: Not because you've never been poor, but because you don't see that many other poor people hold your party to be as directly responsible for their misery as the Republicans. To them, a choice between Clinton and Trump is a question of who's going to cut their throat the quickest, and you can't blame anyone for opting out of a decision like that.

Don Pepino: I know I'm preaching to the choir in your case, but I am still telling you so that you can maybe tell others so that they will be spared. Go vote, even if you're not inspired. Go, because this hurts. Real pain. Actual suffering. By me. Avoid great pain over many years by enduring some mild inconvenience for one day. Vote for the lesser of the two evils.

Except that's what the Democrats have been telling people for at least twenty years, while their lives have become materially worse at every step. If people have ceased to believe them, they have only themselves to blame.

(Also there have been 90 more comments since i started typing this, so I'm just gonna take a bow. See y'all.)
posted by Toby Dammit X at 3:22 PM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


> Hey, the Kochs are pro-gay marriage, pro-criminal justice reform, and anti-Trump. They're awful, but at least an order of magnitude LESS awful than Cheeto Hitler.

No, they are still awful. They obviously don't have the moral ability to see how their support of their personal agendas conflicts with their supposedly pro gay marriage and pro criminal justice reform stances, as they financially support people who will oppose those stances. They may say they are for those platforms, but they see them as disposable compared to taxes and environmental law.
posted by mrzarquon at 3:25 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump Jr. Backs ‘Traditions’ Over ‘Nonsense’ On The Confederate Flag
Donald Trump Jr. soaked in the traditions at Mississippi’s 127th Neshoba County Fair on Tuesday...
That's "Neshoba County Fair" as in Reagan's Neshoba County Fair "states' rights" speech a few miles from the location of the 1964 Mississippi civil rights workers' murders, for anyone who is unfamiliar. Major dropped ball in that article to be pointing out stuff about the Confederate flag without the further context.
posted by XMLicious at 3:33 PM on July 29, 2016 [19 favorites]


Anything above 1 GigaBad fundamentally opposes sustained human life on earth, IMO.

1.21 gigabads? 1.21 GIGABADS!? Great Scott!
posted by ActingTheGoat at 3:43 PM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


this might have been posted, but you should see it again! Hillary's face at balloons
posted by numaner at 3:43 PM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


That the Democratic party is just and right and good because it has the support of Wall Street and Silicon Valley

That's... not how I read the comment you responded to, but since you're checking out, I won't belabor the point further.
posted by tonycpsu at 3:45 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


I've watched far too much of Darrell Hammond's Bill Clinton on SNL. For that split second, when he was trailing the two nominees holding a balloon in each hand, I was half-expecting him to make some vulgar joke with the balloons.
posted by Gary at 3:49 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


It starts with moving the party away from the sentiment I originally responded to: That the Democratic party is just and right and good because it has the support of Wall Street and Silicon Valley; it has to move away from the idea that the interests of technocratic, neoliberal elites are at all the same as the average citizen. It has to abandon the notion that 'the system is working just fine', because for vast segments of the population it isn't. That's exactly why we're even having this conversation, or why there's even a debate about Clinton's electability in the face of someone as loathsome as Trump.

To clarify my point: I wasn't saying that the Democratic party being the party of Silicon Valley and Wall St is a good, that that's the reason someone should vote for them, that's why they're awesome. I am saying it is a fact. A lot of the things that the speakers on stage were hailing, a lot of the things that make the Democratic big tent work, a lot of the things that people in this thread were so excited by --- that the Democrats were officially, enthusiasitically the party of hyphanate-Americans, that the Dems can be the party of the faithful and the faithless, the believers in science and in social justice...these beliefs are widely shared, among the global elite. The 1% are fine with having hybrid identities, with beloging to more than one culture, with embracing the individual's right to free expression. They love that shit. Liberal values won, in that respect, and they are now the values of the elite. Mark Zuckerberg sees no conflict between supporting Black Lives Matter and being the richest motherfucker on the planet.

I'm not trying to say it's time to rest on our laurels, social justice wise, and that there's nothing left to fight for. But I am saying that people need to realize that in 2016 being the party in favor of gay rights and women's rights and civil rights doesn't automatically make them the party of the underdogs, to most people. They will be seen as the party of the elite. Because the elite shares those values.
posted by maggiepolitt at 3:50 PM on July 29, 2016 [15 favorites]


Man, there sure are a lot of Horatios on the bridge to the 21st Century.
posted by y2karl at 4:07 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


"...their lives have become materially worse at every step."
No, some of the steps over the past twenty years were forward and some were backward. More of those steps forward for poor and middle class people were taken during democratic regimes. The welfare cuts Clinton made were heartbreaking, absolutely, no question. But it is important to remember that that was something the first President Clinton did. Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are not the same person. The democratic party of 2016 is not the democratic party of the 1990s. In fact Obamacare has made the lives of people I know and love materially better. Single payer, which Hillary Clinton fought for, would have made their lives and mine much much better still. Medicare? I forget who said it and which night, it may have been Clinton herself, but I nearly hurled my sensible halfglass of pinot noir across the room in sheer excitement when I heard it because whoever it was said that the plan was for people to opt in to Medicare at 55. If people could opt in at 55 to Medicare?!? My mother just underwent a couple of eye surgeries. Besides the surgeries themselves, there were doctor visits every single day for two weeks and multiple prescriptions. If that were me on my shamblingass employer-funded BCBS plan, my co-pays would be insane. I'd be on a ramen regimen for the forseeable. But it's my mom and she's old and some time ago FDR was elected president and so there is Medicare, a government program that works to improve her life materially in a majormajor way and for which I am very grateful--you know, since, without it my mother would either be blind or destitute. I am here to tell you: Medicare. Is. The. Shit. If there is any chance that that opt-in-at-55 thing could happen, the mere chance is more than reason enough to vote for Clinton. Dang, the fact that she even said it is reason enough--because she did fight and hard for single payer way back when. I at least managed to notice that much about her back in the 90s.
posted by Don Pepino at 4:11 PM on July 29, 2016 [23 favorites]


ahem: and some time ago FDR LBJ was elected president and so there is Medicare...
posted by y2karl at 4:24 PM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


If it wasn't for Vietnam, Lyndon Baines Johnson's face would be on some unit of money by now...
posted by y2karl at 4:26 PM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


Of all of BILL Clinton's initiatives, the one HILLARY Clinton was most visibly involved with was the Health Care Reform plan that didn't get passed and many believe cost the Democrats control of Congress. Among those who believed that were BILL Clinton, and after that, his "Third Way" politics took a visible right turn, but I never saw HILLARY Clinton out front promoting the infamous Crime Bill or Welfare "Reform". And once out from her husband's shadow and in her own elected position, Hillary's politics were solidly Liberal with not much Neo.

Tell that to... the Muslim who doesn't have family in the military, but lost family to it in any of the wars she's supported.
You are MANY MANY TIMES more likely to find Muslims in America who lost family to ISIS or to Syria's Assad. And many of those Muslims are refugees who Trump has declared the Enemy. Tell any of them that there is little difference between Clinton and Trump and then try to look them in the eye and "enjoy your Privilege".
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:29 PM on July 29, 2016 [14 favorites]


I'm not sure an oblique reference to Hamlet does anything to shake that "party of the elite" impression.

I'm still worried for November. The conventions have painted a good picture, but it's not like the conventions are required watching for voting.
posted by fragmede at 4:30 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


The picture's been painted, but we still need to get it in front of people.

And we will--one registration, one dial, one knock at a time.

We can do this. We must do this.

We fucking will do this.
posted by dersins at 4:41 PM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think it's required to post this thing every time LBJ gets a mention, right? Especially if he's been wronged terribly by someone failing to credit him for Medicare? Wull, anyway, here it is:

LBJ orders a new pair of pants.
posted by Don Pepino at 4:42 PM on July 29, 2016 [7 favorites]


...now LBJ was a President with a legendary large... uh... pair of hands. In fact, I honestly expected that audio clip to feature him ordering pants with some kind of 'third leg'...
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:52 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


Pantaloon anaconda ?
posted by y2karl at 4:58 PM on July 29, 2016


My God, was LBJ ever a County Clerk?
posted by Captain l'escalier at 4:59 PM on July 29, 2016


If it wasn't for Vietnam, Lyndon Baines Johnson's face would be on some unit of money by now...

I was recently arguing with somebody about whether Democrats have done any good ever and if there's any point in participating in the political process at all. And I brought up the Civil Rights Act. And he said "well, you can't give Johnson credit, at that point I don't think a Republican could have avoided signing it."

And then I looked it up and found out Republicans fought it with a fillibuster that lasted 83 days

And of course the real credit for the Civil Rights Act belongs to the black heroes of the Civil Rights Movement, who did all the dangerous, hard work that ever brought a bill like that into existence.

But yeah, having a Democrat rather than a Republican in the executive office -- and particularly one who can do deals on both side of the aisle -- really matters.
posted by pocketfullofrye at 5:13 PM on July 29, 2016 [22 favorites]


Jill Stein on vaccines: People have ‘real questions’

i have a real question about vaccines - when are they going to make one for stupidity?
posted by pyramid termite at 5:15 PM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


The thing is that Stein could have answered that question another way and said basically the same thing: "As a doctor, I know that vaccines are safe and save countless lives. I want everyone to feel confident about that, and that's why I want to reform the FDA to..." It amounts to the same answer, but without pandering so much to the anti-vax crowd. Or are they such a significant part of the party that she can't risk insulting them?
posted by zachlipton at 5:21 PM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


If it wasn't for Vietnam, Lyndon Baines Johnson's face would be on some unit of money by now...

The half dollar, no doubt.
posted by Sys Rq at 5:28 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


That dress thing:

Sen. Joyce Beatty & Melania Trump's dresses - yes, they look very much alike, especially with the distinctive sleeves. They are not the same dress. Check the waistline (Trump's has a seam and pleat); check the neckline (Beatty's is wider or lower). I suspect one is a knockoff of the other, but have no idea which was actually made first.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 5:30 PM on July 29, 2016


I noticed right away they weren't exactly the same dress, but I'm still going with the story that it's the same dress.
posted by bongo_x at 5:36 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


They are not the same dress. Check the waistline (Trump's has a seam and pleat); check the neckline (Beatty's is wider or lower

I'm amused because I can see having that exact argument with my SO.

Close enough!
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:58 PM on July 29, 2016




oh dear god this will be the blue/black/gold dress thing all over again
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:29 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


> That's "Neshoba County Fair" as in Reagan's Neshoba County Fair "states' rights" speech a few miles from the location of the 1964 Mississippi civil rights workers' murders, for anyone who is unfamiliar. Major dropped ball in that article to be pointing out stuff about the Confederate flag without the further context.

Relevant piece: American crossroads: Reagan, Trump and the devil down south. How the Republican party’s dog-whistle appeal to racism, refined by Richard Nixon and perfected by Ronald Reagan, led inexorably to Donald Trump
posted by homunculus at 6:40 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


We know that Melania's dress was the "Margot" by Roksanda, which she ordered online (and it's now apparently sold out after the RNC). No word on where Sen. Beatty got hers.
posted by zachlipton at 6:56 PM on July 29, 2016


Neshoba County Fair

Ron Paul: won a seat in Congress
Rand Paul: became a senator from a medium-sized state

Donald Trump: won the Republican nomination for President of the United States
Donald Trump, Jr.:

What I'm saying is, sure, fuck Donald Trump, he's a horrible narcissistic ignorant boor.

He's still getting at least 45%ish percent of the vote in November.

who will be their standardbearer next time?
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:59 PM on July 29, 2016


Watching footage of a rally in Harrisburg, PA, Tim Kaine's speaking. His Jerry Gurgishness is out of control.
posted by skewed at 7:05 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


link please

need link

moar tim kaine
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:06 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


it's on old fashioned CNN, might be on cnn.com too
posted by skewed at 7:07 PM on July 29, 2016


I went to cnn.com and there was this big headline about Feds probing Clinton hacking and I don't know if it's a horrible new story or an obnoxious non-story because I never go to cnn.com

This isn't helping me feel better about 2016.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:28 PM on July 29, 2016


It's a probe into Clinton getting hacked, not Clinton doing hacking. Carry on.
posted by oneswellfoop at 7:36 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


"...and engaged with CrowdStrike, a leading forensic investigator, to assist us in addressing this incident," Meredith Kelly, spokeswoman for the DCCC, said in a statement. 'The investigation is ongoing.'"

MEREDITH
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:45 PM on July 29, 2016 [9 favorites]


oh dear god this will be the blue/black/gold dress thing all over again

There. Are. TWO. Dresses!
posted by happyroach at 7:53 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


"It was my fault" says Meredith from the DCCC, "My password was 'tiny hands'"
posted by bongo_x at 8:05 PM on July 29, 2016 [5 favorites]


May the Meredith meme never die for as long as we all shall live.
posted by tonycpsu at 8:11 PM on July 29, 2016 [11 favorites]


I'm not sure an oblique reference to Hamlet does anything to shake that "party of the elite" impression

Not Hamlet but ancient Rome. And not, my bad, Horatio but Horatius.
posted by y2karl at 8:25 PM on July 29, 2016 [2 favorites]


fragmede: "I'm not sure an oblique reference to Hamlet does anything to shake that "party of the elite" impression."

Er, isn't it a classical history reference?
posted by Chrysostom at 8:26 PM on July 29, 2016


Ah, you beat me by like five seconds.
posted by Chrysostom at 8:27 PM on July 29, 2016


explain THAT to Burgess Meredith...

...well, he broke his glasses in Twilight Zone, so that could explain a lot
posted by oneswellfoop at 8:30 PM on July 29, 2016 [1 favorite]


Great minds think alike.
posted by y2karl at 8:34 PM on July 29, 2016


The Last Word interview with the Khan's is repeating right now on MSNBC.
posted by wallabear at 10:01 PM on July 29, 2016


The Last Word interview with the Khan's is repeating right now on MSNBC.

It's also at this link to stream at your leisure.
posted by zachlipton at 10:17 PM on July 29, 2016


I noticed right away they weren't exactly the same dress, but I'm still going with the story that it's the same dress.

Let Us Now Praise the Immaculate Shade of Joyce Beatty:
Actually, and this is true, Beatty claims to be totally blindsided by the whole thing. She didn't even know she was wearing the same dress. Y'all the shade is just shut up in her bones. I love it!

Beatty claims that she wore the dress at the suggestion of her husband, Otto, also a longtime politician. It was just a coincidence.

I just want to say—I see you Otto Beatty Jr., and I salute you.

The Beattys are over here like, "Oh, you want to just borrow parts of the first lady's speech? That's cool. I drink your milk shake. I drink it right up!"
posted by kirkaracha at 10:59 PM on July 29, 2016 [6 favorites]


My username means "watcher" (or "viewer" or "member of audience", closer connotations), because I was a lurker who didn't comment for a long time. And watching is the extent of my ability to participate in the US political process, for now. So like kyrademon, I'm posting to say: I was here. I'm watching this.

I wish I had known of MetaFilter during that November in 2008, but I'll be here for November 2016.
posted by seyirci at 12:45 AM on July 30, 2016 [10 favorites]


I have to confess, I am stealing so many great comments from these election threads and re-posting to fb. I give credit, which is ignored so my fb peeps all think I'm witty AF. Thanks.
posted by theora55 at 3:56 PM on July 30, 2016 [12 favorites]


I was here too. That is all.
posted by GrammarMoses at 9:16 AM on July 31, 2016 [1 favorite]


I have to confess, I am stealing so many great comments from these election threads and re-posting to fb. I give credit, which is ignored so my fb peeps all think I'm witty AF. Thanks.

I also confess to the same thing. I have no regrets, only appreciation.
posted by numaner at 4:10 PM on July 31, 2016 [2 favorites]


...Others supporting L[esser] E[vil] V[oting], however, can hardly be reasonably accused of having made their peace with the establishment. Their concern... inheres in the awareness that frivolous and poorly considered electoral decisions impose a cost, their memories extending to the ultra-left faction of the peace movement having minimized the comparative dangers of the Nixon presidency during the 1968 elections. The result was six years of senseless death and destruction in Southeast Asia and also a predictable fracture of the left setting it up for its ultimate collapse during the backlash decades to follow.

The broader lesson to be drawn is not to shy away from confronting the dominance of the political system under the management of the two major parties. Rather, challenges to it need to be issued with a full awareness of their possible consequences. This includes the recognition that far right victories not only impose terrible suffering on the most vulnerable segments of society but also function as a powerful weapon in the hands of the establishment center, which, now in opposition can posture as the “reasonable” alternative. A Trump presidency, should it materialize, will undermine the burgeoning movement centered around the Sanders campaign, particularly if it is perceived as having minimized the dangers posed by the far right.

A more general conclusion to be derived from this recognition is that this sort of cost/benefit strategic accounting is fundamental to any politics which is serious about radical change. Those on the left who ignore it, or dismiss it as irrelevant are engaging in political fantasy and are an obstacle to, rather than ally of, the movement which now seems to be materializing.
An Eight Point Brief for LEV (Lesser Evil Voting)
By John Halle and Noam Chomsky
posted by y2karl at 7:55 AM on August 1, 2016 [5 favorites]


And never forget the principle of Josh Marshall's Dollar Shave Club:
Remember, it's Trump. The stupidest possible scenario that can be reconciled with the available facts in most likely to be right.
posted by y2karl at 2:45 PM on August 1, 2016 [1 favorite]


fragmede: "I'm not sure an oblique reference to Hamlet does anything to shake that "party of the elite" impression."

Er, isn't it a classical history reference?


You elite-y elites with your elite "knowledge" and "references."

Jill Stein on vaccines: People have ‘real questions’

That sentence makes me sad. So I cheered myself by reading about Roseanne Barr's fight with Jill Stein over the Green Party. (Naturally, this year Barr is supporting Trump.)
posted by octobersurprise at 6:46 AM on August 2, 2016 [2 favorites]


Whoa, and Tom Arnold thinks Trump is a racist idiot. How the fallen have risen.
posted by y2karl at 9:04 AM on August 2, 2016 [4 favorites]


Roseanne was just on WTF, and she said she's not exactly thrilled with that headline. As even that article points out, she doesn't like either candidate, or the two-party system, which should be no surprise since she ran as a third-party candidate herself once. She says she's writing in her own name, and always does.

(It does sound like she buys into a lot of the conspiracy theories in that part of the venn diagram where the right-wing kooks and the left-wing kooks overlap, though.)
posted by Sys Rq at 10:53 AM on August 2, 2016


She says she's writing in her own name, and always does.

I'm thrilled to learn that Barr's been reading my comments!
posted by octobersurprise at 11:08 AM on August 2, 2016


                                                                                                               
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posted by rorgy at 7:49 AM on August 24, 2016 [20 favorites]


As this, the final convention thread, is soon to close, I hereby move that MetaFilter's convention coverage stand adjourned until 2020. Do I hear a second?
posted by zachlipton at 3:15 AM on August 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


I demand a roll call vote.
posted by Elementary Penguin at 3:34 AM on August 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Wait, where's that damn gavel again? It's supposed to be right here in the podium.
posted by octothorpe at 4:18 AM on August 27, 2016 [3 favorites]


If we don't gavel out the thread, it won't close. [fake]
posted by zachlipton at 6:12 AM on August 27, 2016 [1 favorite]


[300mph]Iaskunanimousconsenttoclosetheconventionarethereanyobjectionswithoutobjectionsoordered[/300mph]
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 6:40 AM on August 27, 2016 [6 favorites]


Seconded, provided I can still keep favoriting comments.
posted by Tehhund at 9:19 AM on August 27, 2016 [18 favorites]


Thwack! Thwack! Thwack!
posted by RedOrGreen at 9:56 AM on August 27, 2016 [7 favorites]


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