Consider not ALL heroes have DD’s
July 28, 2016 1:54 PM Subscribe
Needs more mention of Escher Girls and the Hawkeye Initiative.
posted by emjaybee at 2:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by emjaybee at 2:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]
The related image from Emilio Lopez is a useful illustration on how ridiculous some of these tropes are.
posted by a halcyon day at 2:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by a halcyon day at 2:10 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]
I really like this -- it's easy for me to identify hyper-sexualized images of women but harder to imagine de-objectification of the same image. Super cool.
posted by rogerrogerwhatsyourrvectorvicto at 2:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by rogerrogerwhatsyourrvectorvicto at 2:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [3 favorites]
I'm a giant fan of what De Liz did with the graphic novel-ization of The Last Unicorn. I found it both a simultaneous homage to the art of the animated feature from the early 80s and a more beautiful, fantastic, and expressive re-imagining.
Also like what she does here; it's a great take that's a worthy one for Power Girl. Only thing I'm a little surprised at is that she did not take-on the weird cleavage window.
Finally, her point "if you choose to draw women sexy, that's fine! Discussing alternatives and recognizing patterns should not threaten you" is pitch perfect.
posted by wildblueyonder at 2:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]
Also like what she does here; it's a great take that's a worthy one for Power Girl. Only thing I'm a little surprised at is that she did not take-on the weird cleavage window.
Finally, her point "if you choose to draw women sexy, that's fine! Discussing alternatives and recognizing patterns should not threaten you" is pitch perfect.
posted by wildblueyonder at 2:20 PM on July 28, 2016 [8 favorites]
I love that she kept the costume intact. It highlights what pose/drafting changes can do.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 2:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 2:34 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]
Superman boobs'n'butt'n'pout
/dies
posted by Existential Dread at 2:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]
/dies
posted by Existential Dread at 2:38 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]
pouty tease superman needs to be a thing
posted by Foci for Analysis at 2:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by Foci for Analysis at 2:45 PM on July 28, 2016 [2 favorites]
And of course the classic Women Try To Pose Like Female Comic Book Heroes.
(by which I mean actual human women)
posted by adamrice at 2:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]
(by which I mean actual human women)
posted by adamrice at 2:58 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]
See also "male bodies are made of curves, while female bodies are primarily made of angles"
From the (often NSFW) Boobs Don't Work That Way tumblr.
posted by straight at 3:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]
From the (often NSFW) Boobs Don't Work That Way tumblr.
posted by straight at 3:24 PM on July 28, 2016 [4 favorites]
Perpetrial to Brian in Robert Rodi's What They Did to Princess Paragon: Princess is from enlightened planet; would either cover breasts entirely for protection or reveal them totally for comfort.
posted by brujita at 3:41 PM on July 28, 2016
posted by brujita at 3:41 PM on July 28, 2016
(IE would you perk out Batman’s butt & twist him to see BOTH his pecs?)
Not on a first date, no.
This of course, is the problem.
(well, the other problem is... who would go on a date with Batman? The guy is a mess, and, besides, everyone who dates him gets murdered. No thank you.)
posted by GenjiandProust at 3:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]
Not on a first date, no.
This of course, is the problem.
(well, the other problem is... who would go on a date with Batman? The guy is a mess, and, besides, everyone who dates him gets murdered. No thank you.)
posted by GenjiandProust at 3:47 PM on July 28, 2016 [5 favorites]
Well, presumably the people going on dates with him don't know about everyone dying.
posted by teponaztli at 4:01 PM on July 28, 2016
posted by teponaztli at 4:01 PM on July 28, 2016
Don Harmon has a new show called HarmonQuest. The conceit is that there's a regular group of D&D players, he gets a new celebrity guest every week and then they animate their D&D session. It turns out being more or less an improv version of a fantasy cartoon show. Its on this crappy app and backed in someway by NBC. That's not relevant, but its funny enough for a bored Sunday.
His ex-wife is the regular female character and her outfit, unlike anyone else who appears on the show, is incredibly sexualized. I'm like okay, this is like an "Art & Gary" satire on female cartoon characters. I can't think of one joke on the show that poked fun of at her appearance, to the point where it became uncomfortable. Don Harmon I think is a savvy guy, and I'm sure his wife is too, not one mention the entire season that I'm watching a character from "Heavy Metal" the entire episode. At least South Park did an entire episode making fun of how female cartoon characters are portrayed.
I don't know, hope this wasn't a derail, just thought it was odd that a self-referential show, an internet show! pulled this off in this year and didn't even acknowledge what it was doing.
But yeah I'll defend a lot of things when it comes to artistic expression, and comics have always been highly sexualized on both ends of the gender spectrum, but the stripper female superhero always skeeved me out. But I guess I'm the only one who noticed it.
posted by geoff. at 5:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]
His ex-wife is the regular female character and her outfit, unlike anyone else who appears on the show, is incredibly sexualized. I'm like okay, this is like an "Art & Gary" satire on female cartoon characters. I can't think of one joke on the show that poked fun of at her appearance, to the point where it became uncomfortable. Don Harmon I think is a savvy guy, and I'm sure his wife is too, not one mention the entire season that I'm watching a character from "Heavy Metal" the entire episode. At least South Park did an entire episode making fun of how female cartoon characters are portrayed.
I don't know, hope this wasn't a derail, just thought it was odd that a self-referential show, an internet show! pulled this off in this year and didn't even acknowledge what it was doing.
But yeah I'll defend a lot of things when it comes to artistic expression, and comics have always been highly sexualized on both ends of the gender spectrum, but the stripper female superhero always skeeved me out. But I guess I'm the only one who noticed it.
posted by geoff. at 5:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [1 favorite]
And the first comment on the article is a man announcing that the character on the right "looks like a lesbian" and that he only wants to buy "the comic on the left."
Just so many layers of belligerent stupidity. It would take twenty minutes to explain all the levels on which he is wrong, by which point he'll have posted forty more similar comments. It feels like trying to hold a gym in Pokemon Go, where one dude can wipe out four people's hard work in a heartbeat.
posted by Scattercat at 5:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]
Just so many layers of belligerent stupidity. It would take twenty minutes to explain all the levels on which he is wrong, by which point he'll have posted forty more similar comments. It feels like trying to hold a gym in Pokemon Go, where one dude can wipe out four people's hard work in a heartbeat.
posted by Scattercat at 5:23 PM on July 28, 2016 [17 favorites]
Daaamn- that Superman got a fine ass!
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 6:37 PM on July 28, 2016
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 6:37 PM on July 28, 2016
I probably shouldn't post this here, as it's a bit of a sidetrack (if not a full derail) but after reading this today, I just felt I had to share it with an audience who could appreciate it, and I didn't think it warranted a FPP by itself. It sounds like a perfect counterpart in how to badly portray and sexual women.
"Then there’s the truly baffling two blank pages where Hot Dog claims he ate the art. So instead of seeing the next pages of the story, we get Betty and Veronica “gratuitously agreeing” (the book’s words) to read what the pages would have been while wearing bathing suits. “In case that was the kind of comic you were expecting,” the narrator adds with a wink. The narrator that is, remember, Jughead’s dog. Jughead’s dog thinks the Archie readers want to see teenage girls in bikinis, is what I’m saying."
posted by sardonyx at 9:00 PM on July 28, 2016
"Then there’s the truly baffling two blank pages where Hot Dog claims he ate the art. So instead of seeing the next pages of the story, we get Betty and Veronica “gratuitously agreeing” (the book’s words) to read what the pages would have been while wearing bathing suits. “In case that was the kind of comic you were expecting,” the narrator adds with a wink. The narrator that is, remember, Jughead’s dog. Jughead’s dog thinks the Archie readers want to see teenage girls in bikinis, is what I’m saying."
posted by sardonyx at 9:00 PM on July 28, 2016
OK, I hate to do this to a great post, but /puts on WELL ACTUALLY hat
"DDs" here are being used as a shorthand for "humongous", but cup sizes are actually relative to band sizes, so someone with "DDs" might not have big breasts at all. Cup sizes just denote the difference in circumference between the fullest part of the bust and the underbust. "DD" is a 5" difference. So a 28DD is much smaller in volume than a 36DD (for reference to a more common band size - 28DD is equivalent in volume to 34B).
posted by airmail at 9:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]
"DDs" here are being used as a shorthand for "humongous", but cup sizes are actually relative to band sizes, so someone with "DDs" might not have big breasts at all. Cup sizes just denote the difference in circumference between the fullest part of the bust and the underbust. "DD" is a 5" difference. So a 28DD is much smaller in volume than a 36DD (for reference to a more common band size - 28DD is equivalent in volume to 34B).
posted by airmail at 9:00 PM on July 28, 2016 [9 favorites]
The people who draw humongeous boobs also rarely know that band sizes above 32" exist.
posted by Karmakaze at 6:57 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by Karmakaze at 6:57 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
In re: that posing Superman: if you dig it, have I got an artist and series for you.
(Jojo's is so good you guys.)
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 7:14 AM on July 29, 2016
(Jojo's is so good you guys.)
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 7:14 AM on July 29, 2016
Scattercat: "It would take twenty minutes to explain all the levels on which he is wrong, "
Kind of spinning off the Neil Gaiman quote, the one thing he's right about is he would rather buy the comic on the left. But everything he says about why he would rather buy it is wrong. The real reason is he has terrible taste.
posted by RobotHero at 8:51 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
Kind of spinning off the Neil Gaiman quote, the one thing he's right about is he would rather buy the comic on the left. But everything he says about why he would rather buy it is wrong. The real reason is he has terrible taste.
posted by RobotHero at 8:51 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
I think it is useful that she didn't change Power Girl's costume (other than the heels) even though it has the ridiculous chest window. First, it's controlling for variables, so it shows how much just the changes she did make don't rely on changing the costume. Second, criticizing the ridiculous costumes would start cutting a little too close the the central appeal of the genre. (They're usually not as sexualized with the men, but often ridiculous for other reasons.)
posted by RobotHero at 10:38 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by RobotHero at 10:38 AM on July 29, 2016 [3 favorites]
Don Harmon I think is a savvy guy, and I'm sure his wife is too, not one mention the entire season that I'm watching a character from "Heavy Metal" the entire episode.
The live action portion was done long before the animation, so the animation could riff on the dialog, but not the other way around.
I'm pretty sure when they did character design Dan just decided to reference the chainmail bikini trope, and likely Red Sonja in particular (he has an admitted preference for redheads, and Erin is one herself.)
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 10:59 AM on July 29, 2016
The live action portion was done long before the animation, so the animation could riff on the dialog, but not the other way around.
I'm pretty sure when they did character design Dan just decided to reference the chainmail bikini trope, and likely Red Sonja in particular (he has an admitted preference for redheads, and Erin is one herself.)
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 10:59 AM on July 29, 2016
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