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August 17, 2016 8:00 AM   Subscribe

With his campaign chair Paul Manafort mired in scandal and polls showing Arizona and Georgia on the brink of going blue, an increasingly agitated Donald Trump has launched a major shake-up of his political staff. Reportedly infuriated by talk of being "tamed," the Republican nominee has rejected Manafort's moderating sway in favor of Breitbart News CEO Steve* Bannon, an alt-right firebrand who Bloomberg has called "the most dangerous political operative in America." Washington Post reporter Robert Costa foresees a vicious campaign in the making, a prospect further suggested by rumors that disgraced Fox News founder Roger Ailes will be advising Trump ahead of next months' debates with Hillary Clinton (whose odds of a landslide are currently on par with that of any Trump victory). posted by Rhaomi (2464 comments total) 103 users marked this as a favorite
 
Oh god, it only took two weeks for that Onion article to come true. That is amazing.
posted by maryr at 8:04 AM on August 17, 2016 [23 favorites]


Nice thread.

Needs more Hamilton but whatever, it's a good thread I guess.
posted by Tevin at 8:04 AM on August 17, 2016 [24 favorites]


So, il Douche is now getting a fair bit of money into his campaign. But, he isn't spending any of it. $0 in TV ads. At this point he knows he's going to lose; he's campaigning in Connecticut, for God's sake.

He's not going to spend it, is he? He's going to dump it all into a Trump 'charity' post-election. Then he can bleed it dry by charging crazy consulting fees from his for-profit entities.

Dude never stopped grifting.
posted by leotrotsky at 8:04 AM on August 17, 2016 [51 favorites]


not even a full five days! jeebus!
posted by numaner at 8:04 AM on August 17, 2016


I feel for Onion writers at the moment.
posted by peacheater at 8:04 AM on August 17, 2016 [13 favorites]




You know the discourse is headed downhill when Manafort is considered the moderating voice.

What are the odds on Reince Priebus cutting all GOP funds to Trump's campaign to protect the down ticket now?
posted by PenDevil at 8:06 AM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]




Bannon hates Paul Ryan, so this is not a move that's going to help relations with the RNC. Forget a pivot; this is Trump doing donuts in the parking lot, holding his upraised middle finger out the window.
posted by EarBucket at 8:09 AM on August 17, 2016 [104 favorites]


I feel for Onion writers at the moment.


It's not surprising that shows like Parks & Rec and Hamilton that are earnest to the core have become so popular as we see the detached irony of the 90s and early 00s draw its last, labored breath all around us.
posted by C'est la D.C. at 8:09 AM on August 17, 2016 [71 favorites]


Imagine trying to write satire
posted by The Whelk at 8:10 AM on August 17, 2016 [39 favorites]


I think it's odd that the role of Fox News and Breitbart in Trump's camp isn't getting bigger play. I mean...it's a new standard for "news" outlets getting involved in campaigns, isn't it? A natural progression, perhaps, that right-wing media ditches its illusion of impartiality and just dives straight into the political process..
posted by touchstone033 at 8:10 AM on August 17, 2016 [17 favorites]


When I spoke with him afterward, [the late Andrew Breitbart) described Bannon, with sincere admiration, as the Leni Riefenstahl of the Tea Party movement.

Say what you will about all his very horrible qualities, but Andrew Brietbart knew his Nazis, so this is really saying something.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 8:10 AM on August 17, 2016 [77 favorites]


Green Party's Jill Stein tied with Harambe, losing to Deez Nuts in new poll

For some reason that headline made me flash back to the California Gray Davis gubernatorial recall election, where you had like 135 wackadoo candidates.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:11 AM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


Maybe we could start including references to that other musical about the Founding Fathers?
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 8:11 AM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


Truly there is no problem that can't be solved with more Steves.
posted by Huffy Puffy at 8:11 AM on August 17, 2016 [27 favorites]


It's not surprising that shows like Parks & Rec and Hamilton that are earnest to the core have become so popular as we see the irony of the 90s and early 00s draw its last, labored breath all around us.

Oh yeah, we sure are. Irony is totally passé.
posted by leotrotsky at 8:11 AM on August 17, 2016 [29 favorites]


We are all Joel and the Bots now, and we are neck deep into DEEEEEEEEP HUURRRRTTTTIIIINNNNNGGGG!
posted by AlonzoMosleyFBI at 8:12 AM on August 17, 2016 [40 favorites]


NPR reported this morning, in the same story as it reported the Bannon thing, that the Trump campaign seemed to be looking more like a real campaign -- that Trump spoke twice from the teleprompter in the last few days, that the campaign was starting to buy ad time, etc.

So I'm real confused - is Bannon coming in to reverse the trend of the last few days, or is Bannon the cause of the trend? Is Bannon going to move the campaign towards a more traditional "structure" (ad buy) but allow Trump to continue being Trump ("go negative")?

Halp?
posted by devinemissk at 8:13 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm worried the Trump campaign will destroy American Democracy. Trump's loser talk about how the election is going to be rigged is hugely corrosive and only going to get worse. And it's a sure bet that if the election is close, they're going to sue left and right and muddle the waters for months, maybe years. I'm not sure America can withstand that, particularly if Trump keeps up with the violent rhetoric.

Bush / Gore 2000 was hugely damaging to America's confidence in elections. But the situation was resolved more or less according to the law, with Gore contesting and conceding relatively swiftly. (Election was Nov 7, concession was Dec 12, election certified Jan 6). The country moved on. I don't see any evidence the Trump folks will be as gracious, or that they are concerned about the long lasting damage it would do to our country to go all out.

It's not enough for Clinton to win; she has to win with an uncontestable landslide.
posted by Nelson at 8:13 AM on August 17, 2016 [40 favorites]


Really Trump is staying ahead of the cynical news media by making so many gaffes they can't possible cover them all. It's an unanticipated strategy, and poll shows it's working.
posted by maryr at 8:13 AM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


The aforementioned NPR report.
posted by devinemissk at 8:14 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Not that I dislike a new thread (yay, kinder loading on mobile), but when Rhaomi said they were going to make a new post, I thought it would be about the Aetna/Humana Obamacare merger extortion plot.
posted by tclark at 8:14 AM on August 17, 2016 [9 favorites]


Around April, I think, I put some work into breaking a story for what would be a fictional novel-length satire of the Trump campaign. There's maybe 15,000 words in that document?

And every single one of them has been out-written by reality.
posted by schadenfrau at 8:14 AM on August 17, 2016 [20 favorites]


.$0 in TV ads.

This actually just changed yesterday - the campaign has started buying a little bit of ad time.
posted by Going To Maine at 8:15 AM on August 17, 2016


> Maybe we could start including references to that other musical about the Founding Fathers?

I think "could someone PLEASE open a window?" would be a fine refrain to come back to in these threads.
posted by Tevin at 8:15 AM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


maryr: Oh god, it only took two weeks for that Onion article to come true. That is amazing.

Which one? This one -- Mentally Unbalanced Man Still Waiting For The Right Trump Comment To Incite Him (Aug. 12) only took days to come true -- Man’s ‘unusual fixation’ with Lebanese neighbors led to killing, Tulsa police say (Aug. 16)
posted by filthy light thief at 8:15 AM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


the campaign has started buying a little bit of ad time.

"I'm Donald Trump, and I approve this message: Fuck you."
posted by Etrigan at 8:15 AM on August 17, 2016 [23 favorites]


Thanks for the new thread, Rhaomi!
posted by zarq at 8:16 AM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


When Paul fucking Manafort, PR flack to global tyrants and mass murderers, isn't slimy enough to be your campaign manager, something's wrong.
posted by backseatpilot at 8:16 AM on August 17, 2016 [38 favorites]


The Aetna thread is here.
posted by devinemissk at 8:16 AM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


Every night, Paul Ryan goes to bed thinking "It really can't get any worse, can it?"
Every morning, Paul Ryan wakes up, sees the notifications on his phone, and for a few fleetingly joyful moments imagines life as the top rated Mercedes-Benz salesman in Kenosha County.
posted by splen at 8:16 AM on August 17, 2016 [111 favorites]


tclark: "Not that I dislike a new thread (yay, kinder loading on mobile), but when Rhaomi said they were going to make a new post, I thought it would be about the Aetna/Humana Obamacare merger extortion plot."

zombieflanders has you covered one door down.
posted by Rhaomi at 8:16 AM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


Heeeeey it's cool people think that this means Trump is done but please consider that if Trump alters course by steering directly into the alt-right white-nationalist fascist camp, and then ends up actually winning by some miracle and/or October Surprise, that is way more terrifying as he will see it as justification for every awful thing he has said/done and a repudiation of any sensible thing he has said/done.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 8:18 AM on August 17, 2016 [35 favorites]


The best part is that Manafort is still involved, but in different ways. Trump just hired more scummy people to augment his campaign. The fact that Roger Ailes will be advising Trump actually scares me.
posted by filthy light thief at 8:18 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm worried the Trump campaign will destroy American Democracy. Trump's loser talk about how the election is going to be rigged is hugely corrosive and only going to get worse. And it's a sure bet that if the election is close, they're going to sue left and right and muddle the waters for months, maybe years. I'm not sure America can withstand that, particularly if Trump keeps up with the violent rhetoric.

Yeah, I'm thinking when he loses by massive margins in lots of ostensibly competitive states it takes the wind out of those sails a bit.

Also, I imagine the RNC long knives really come out in earnest for him after the election.
posted by leotrotsky at 8:18 AM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


zombieflanders has you covered one door down.

What I get when I just follow the link from the previous thread. Cheers!
posted by tclark at 8:18 AM on August 17, 2016


So they're already thinking past the lost election toward a new flashier hatey-er reinvention of Breitbart? I hope they name it "Banner, Ailes, and Trump: Super Heavy Information Team" or BATSHIT for short.
posted by p3t3 at 8:19 AM on August 17, 2016 [89 favorites]


"Vicious campaign in the making" -- sure, but here's my dumb-but-sincere question: Is anyone still listening? Is there a pool of voters who can still turn this around for The Donald?
posted by Capt. Renault at 8:19 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Joel and the bots...

Man, for like two months I have had this fantasy of a Hillary ad in which she and two robots are watching a Trump campaign rally MST-style and wisecracking at the cray cray stuff.

It's the perfect metaphor.
posted by spitbull at 8:20 AM on August 17, 2016 [37 favorites]


Got back from seeing family in North Carolina this weekend, where I kept getting sat at the more racist end of the table, and even they seemed lukewarm on Trump. I don't know who they're voting for, because the constant haranguing about my party identification was too much to bear already, but they freely acknowledged that he was a pretty terrible candidate. I can't imagine them voting for Hillary, but I can hope that they'll stay home out of frustration.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 8:21 AM on August 17, 2016 [20 favorites]




Is there a pool of voters who can still turn this around for The Donald?

I have my doubts about that. Maybe I simply lack imagination, but I'm having trouble conceiving of what negative things Trump could say about Clinton that (a) he hasn't already said and (b) would appeal to the people not already following him despite his downward spiral.
posted by tocts at 8:23 AM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


staying ahead of the cynical news media by making so many gaffes they can't possible cover them

The gaffe gallop!
posted by spitbull at 8:24 AM on August 17, 2016 [28 favorites]


Guys, guys - I woke up with a panic attack this morning. I had a flashback to the whole Bush Gore thing, that awful moment when I realized that an incompetent buffoon was going to be our president. It was like a bona fide political PTSD attack, I literally (yes literally) was nauseated for a few hours. I feel so stressed today!

I was working last night but in the background heard Trump's racist speech and it hit me that bad and wooden as it was, some of the theme lines were more coherent Fox tropes taking shape. I'm pretty worried that he might be panicking enough to listen to and follow the counsel of Bannon and Ailes, who are both evil incarnate, but also media geniuses. I'm pretty worried that they or Assange (or Putin) have some horrible shoes to drop in the eleventh hour. I'm pretty discouraged by the intensifying Hillary hate and general misogyny. I'm worried we are all getting too confident, the media is going to want to foment more horse-race drama for their money.

I'm so askeered, hope me!

On the other hand, vacation tomorrow and I am going to try to take a break from news. (I feel the facial tics already) You all need to promise you'll watch things carefully so events don't careen out of control while I take a break!
posted by madamjujujive at 8:25 AM on August 17, 2016 [50 favorites]


roomthreeseventeen: Trump says he doesn't trust US intelligence agencies and won't use them if elected

He'll just ask Putin and the Russian hackers to inform him directly.
posted by filthy light thief at 8:25 AM on August 17, 2016 [30 favorites]


Bush / Gore 2000 was hugely damaging to America's confidence in elections. But the situation was resolved more or less according to the law, with Gore contesting and conceding relatively swiftly.

I get what you are saying, but the perfectly clear Constitutional process for deciding a disputed Presidential election was abrogated. The body of legal precedent, iirc, was that States have great latitude in how they conduct their elections, and the legal process within Florida of hashing out recounts and certifying electors seeemd well within that authority. If Gore had won the recount, it seems likely that the Florida Legislature would have refused to certify those electors, and the thing would have been decided in the House of Representatives.
posted by thelonius at 8:26 AM on August 17, 2016 [12 favorites]


Maybe I simply lack imagination, but I'm having trouble conceiving of what negative things Trump could say about Clinton that (a) he hasn't already said and (b) would appeal to the people not already following him despite his downward spiral.

"She doesn't really like Hamilton that much."
posted by Etrigan at 8:26 AM on August 17, 2016 [18 favorites]


Trump says he doesn't trust US intelligence agencies and won't use them if elected

Who needs the CIA when you've got master of disguise James O'Keefe
posted by Existential Dread at 8:28 AM on August 17, 2016 [55 favorites]


I feel for Onion writers at the moment.

The Onion has been killing it lately: I Spend Every Waking Moment Holding This Fragile Facade Of A Person Together, And I’ll Do The Same For America
posted by 1970s Antihero at 8:28 AM on August 17, 2016 [28 favorites]


Trump says he doesn't trust US intelligence agencies and won't use them if elected

I just... yep, my Bag of Holding apparently does contain more evens which I may strew behind me as I can't.
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:28 AM on August 17, 2016 [69 favorites]


Adele Stan: Make No Mistake: The Koch Brothers Are Helping Donald Trump
They may not wish to get all of that Trumpy dirt—the calls to violence, the obvious racism and misogyny, the invitation to Russia for cyber­espionage on his own country—on their manicured hands, but they’re keen to turn out the voters needed to maintain Republican control of both houses of Congress. And there’s no way to turn out those voters without helping the quisling from Queens.

People who live in Koch World have a sweet deal. If you’re a politician in the brothers’ orbit, you’re likely dependent on the ground operation of Americans for Prosperity—or other Koch astroturf outfits, such as Libre Initiative or 60 Plus—to get your voters to the polls. If you’re an employee of any of the multitudes of Koch­linked organizations that dot the Republican landscape, you’re dependent on them for your paycheck. And if you’re the Koch brothers, seeking to hold onto your congressional majority, you’re dependent on your people seeing to it that Republican voters are not so turned off by Donald Trump that they fail to show up to vote for your favored candidate for either the House or the Senate.
[...]
But clearly, after the catastrophic week Trump gave himself, this cleanup has not been enough. So this week, a Koch-­founded organization placed before viewers of Fox News Sunday one of its own, presenting herself as an enthusiastic Trump supporter.
posted by zombieflanders at 8:29 AM on August 17, 2016 [9 favorites]


Trump says he doesn't trust US intelligence agencies and won't use them if elected

This reminds me of something I can't stop thinking. On the television show Scandal, there's a super powerful, super secret, pretty evil spy organization called B613 that is basically above the law, answerable to no one, and prides itself on existing to protect the Republic, no matter the moral cost. Basically, it serves to protect democracy from itself.

It's an interesting idea for a fictional organization on a show that's about Power, but it's often, sadly, poorly executed and has made for some Not Good television.

However, the Trump campaign keeps making me wish, even if only a few seconds at a time, that it existed.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 8:30 AM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


SIT DOWN, DON
posted by praemunire at 8:32 AM on August 17, 2016 [21 favorites]


I'm going to be disappointed if Lin-Manual Miranda doesn't team up with the Book of Mormon/South Park guys to do "Trump the Musical" after all this. By my read this is just the beginning of Act 2 right?
posted by bitdamaged at 8:32 AM on August 17, 2016 [9 favorites]


He plays the violence.
posted by DanSachs at 8:34 AM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


Capt. Renault: "Vicious campaign in the making" -- sure, but here's my dumb-but-sincere question: Is anyone still listening? Is there a pool of voters who can still turn this around for The Donald?

The only person who could possibly turn this around is Trump himself. If the campaign were able to put a leash on their candidate to stop him from saying anything but the most innocuous, sane-sounding policy-related soundbites from now until election day, I think many Republicans would change their minds about voting for them. He has over 2 months. Lots of people would probably forgive or forget most of the things he has said and done up until now if he started appearing more Presidential.

He's diving into the mud instead. Which can be a winning strategy, especially with Republican voters. But it hasn't worked particularly well for him since the primaries ended.
posted by zarq at 8:34 AM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


I Know Trump's New Campaign Chairman, Steve Bannon. Here's What You Need To Know. — Ben Shapiro, The DailyWire. Abstract: He really hates Steve Bannon. Observation: If Andrew Breitbart was Trotsky, then Bannon is Lenin. Or maybe Stalin.

Bonus Game Of Thrones ref: "Bannon knows that in the game of thrones, you win or die. And he certainly doesn’t intend to die. He’ll kill everyone else before he goes."
posted by octobersurprise at 8:35 AM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]



Trump says he doesn't trust US intelligence agencies and won't use them if elected

by contrast I have always had complete faith in them
posted by Postroad at 8:35 AM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


From the PPP polling article:

Just 19% of Trump voters grant that if Clinton wins the election it will be because she got more votes, while 71% say that it will just be because the election was rigged. More specifically 40% of Trump voters think that ACORN, which hasn't existed in years, will steal the election for Clinton to only 20% who don't think it will, and only 20% who are unsure.

*screeching intensifies*
posted by Mayor West at 8:36 AM on August 17, 2016 [27 favorites]


zombieflanders: Adele Stan: Make No Mistake: The Koch Brothers Are Helping Donald Trump
If this campaign is about Trump, Trump loses. If this becomes about Hillary, her corruption, if it becomes about Supreme Court judges, if it becomes about her dismal record as secretary of state, then I think he has a shot of winning.
Hah, good luck getting Donnie to stay on-topic and keep his messages, stories and tweets from being about Donnie. Oh, and a summary of Hillary's tenure as Secretary of State:
Historians will probably consider Clinton significantly more successful than run-of-the-mill secretaries of state such as James G. Blaine or the long-serving Cordell Hull, but don’t expect to see her on a pedestal with Dean Acheson or John Quincy Adams anytime soon.
posted by filthy light thief at 8:36 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


I apologize if this has already been linked, but I couldn't find it.

In 1988, when Dan Rather was grilling George HW about the Iran/Contra scandal, Roger Ailes orchestrated this (6:40 for the smackdown) to shut down Dan Rather and get some points for the VP. Roger Ailes knows what he's doing in crushing an opponent and now with the Breitbart twins bringing their chan tactics over, I'm afraid the debates are going to be painful to watch.
posted by Sophie1 at 8:36 AM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


It goes without saying, that Shapiro's picture of Andrew, is, uh, enthusiastic.
posted by octobersurprise at 8:37 AM on August 17, 2016


/me Googles "days until the election" and gets back the answer 82. Cries. Starts wondering if a medically induced coma is possible.
posted by octothorpe at 8:37 AM on August 17, 2016 [13 favorites]


Trump says he doesn't trust US intelligence agencies and won't use them if elected

To be fair, Cheney did the same thing. But it turns out if you set up intelligence services beholden only to you, and stock them with sychophants, they tell you exactly what you want to hear, like "Iraq has WMDs go get 'em".
posted by dis_integration at 8:37 AM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]


We rescheduled our annual long vacation to include a family visit in the Carolinas from late October to just after Election Day and god, I am not sure what I want to be back in the US at that time, but too late now! (I'll have already submitted my absentee ballot by then, so whew.)
posted by Kitteh at 8:38 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump soaks the Koch Zero. Sweet. Schadenfreude.
posted by effluvia at 8:39 AM on August 17, 2016


significantly more successful than run-of-the-mill secretaries of state such as James G. Blaine

Blaine? Blaine? James G. Blaine? The continental liar from the State of Maine?
posted by octobersurprise at 8:39 AM on August 17, 2016 [17 favorites]


Reminder: ACORN, which was founded in 1970, closed shop in 2010. SIX YEARS AGO. Because of bullshit conservative hack propaganda.
posted by filthy light thief at 8:39 AM on August 17, 2016 [32 favorites]


It's interesting that Trump seems to be making an enemy of the three-letter agencies. Could be a dangerous game for him if he or any of his staffers does anything seriously illegal in their dealings with Russia.
posted by Mitrovarr at 8:40 AM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


Octothorpe, statistically that means we have 16.4 more mega-threads at least to go! Stock up on popcorn, people.
posted by dorothyisunderwood at 8:41 AM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


This reminds me of something I can't stop thinking. On the television show Scandal, there's a super powerful, super secret, pretty evil spy organization called B613 that is basically above the law, answerable to no one, and prides itself on existing to protect the Republic, no matter the moral cost. Basically, it serves to protect democracy from itself.

The featured snippet after an incognito Google search on 'B613': a link to a Breitbart page with the headline "Is The CFPB A Real-Life Version of Scandal's B613?" (There is no fucking way I'm going to link to the site proper, that's an archive.is link.)

The CFPB.

I mean. At this point. I don't know if I can honestly say that anyone who quotes Breitbart is worthy of anything other than pity.
posted by qcubed at 8:44 AM on August 17, 2016 [17 favorites]


I hereby predict:

a) GOP congressmen will leak the CLASSIFIED emails they've just been given. No investigation will occur.

b) Trump himself will leak CLASSIFIED information he's about to be given. No investigation will occur.

c) Despite a) and b), we're about to spend another three weeks hearing about email, and "She's just not trustworthy".

Who's in on my bet?
posted by Dashy at 8:45 AM on August 17, 2016 [82 favorites]


Good thread, but uh, I too am getting concerned about the distinct lack of Hamilton-related titles in election threads.
posted by corb at 8:45 AM on August 17, 2016 [16 favorites]


Perhaps the HamilTrash can provide a pool of handy post titles for those not versed in the HamilVerse(s).
posted by filthy light thief at 8:50 AM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


Or I guess you could just read through the Genius annotated lyrics.
posted by filthy light thief at 8:51 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


That election rigging stuff is genuinely frightening when coupled with Trump's no-so-subtle call for violence against Clinton. I wonder if the second Clinton presidency will see a wave of right-wing terrorism like the first one did. It doesn't seem crazy to think we might see another Oklahoma City.
posted by Sangermaine at 8:51 AM on August 17, 2016 [13 favorites]


Starting to actually see the Manafort/Ukraine connection pop up in high visibility news sources.
posted by Twain Device at 8:51 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Finally we polled on Texas secession. Overall 26% of voters would support leaving the United States to 59% who want to stay, and 15% who aren't sure either way. Among Trump voters support for secession goes up to 37%, with only 49% opposed to exiting. If you look at the Presidential race in Texas only among voters who are opposed to seceding from the United State, Clinton leads Trump 54/41. But that's offset by Trump's 72/20 advantage with the secession crowd. If Clinton is elected President this fall, the Trump voters really want out- in that case 61% say they'd support seceding from the United States, to only 29% who would stick around.

I would say, don't let the door hit you in the ass if this weren't so sad and depressing.
posted by stargell at 8:53 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Donald: "No, don't worry, Paul. You still have a place in the campaign. Look! You're still Chairman! Chairman of the Vodka Wolves!"
Paul: "Vodka Wolves what are-"
*Trump kicks Paul Manafort out of the helicopter. He lands in a clearing filled with wolves wearing Russian furry hats. Some have broken vodka bottles clutched in their slavering dogs.*
Donald: *Cannot be heard over the sound of howling and helicopter engines*
posted by robocop is bleeding at 8:56 AM on August 17, 2016 [17 favorites]


It's not surprising that shows like Parks & Rec and Hamilton that are earnest to the core have become so popular as we see the detached irony of the 90s and early 00s draw its last, labored breath all around us.

Speak for yourself - cynical, detached irony is all that is getting me through this right now.
posted by ryanshepard at 8:56 AM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


Perhaps the HamilTrash can provide a pool of handy post titles for those not versed in the HamilVerse(s)

If we're going into Hamilton I think the John Adams Rap that got cut will provide some post titles. I was going to quote from the lyrics, got as far as:
An open letter to the fat
Arrogant
Anti-charismatic
National embarrassment
Known as President John Adams

The man's irrational. He claims that I'm in league
With Britain in some vast international intrigue?
Bitch, please!
You wouldn't know what I'm doin'
You're always goin' berserk
But ya never show up to work
Give my regards to Abigail
Next time you write about my lack of moral compass
At least I do my job up in this rumpus
Then I realised that if I was going to try and quote the parts that made good thread titles and were relevant to the election I'd quote almost the whole thing. (And for those of you who don't yet know Hamilton, remember that that's one of the numbers that didn't even make the cut).
posted by Francis at 8:57 AM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


"A Monarchy by a Sidewind. You make him Vindex Injuriarum. The People will not like The Jurors of our Lord the President -- nor the Peace of our Lord the President, nor his Dignity. His Crown will be left out. Do not wish to make the Constitution a more unnatural monstrous Production than it is. -- The British Constitution a three legged Stool. If one legg is longer than another, the Stool will not stand."

-John Adams, Notes, July, 15, 1789.
posted by clavdivs at 8:58 AM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


How do I join the Vodka Wolves?
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 8:58 AM on August 17, 2016 [33 favorites]


It's interesting that Trump seems to be making an enemy of the three-letter agencies. Could be a dangerous game for him if he or any of his staffers does anything seriously illegal in their dealings with Russia.

On the other hand, this should make it easier to make song parodies of this election. Was considering using "We Didn't Start The Fire" or "The Mickey Mouse Club Theme" as bases.
posted by ZeusHumms at 8:59 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is anyone still listening? Is there a pool of voters who can still turn this around for The Donald?

Do not underestimate the number of people who really really dislike or hate Hillary Clinton. If Trump can somehow convince some of them that he could be a reasonable choice, we are in trouble. We have been very lucky so far that he is fundamentally incapable of not shit-stirring the basest of the Republican base.
posted by maryr at 9:00 AM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


Finally we polled on Texas secession

I don't know why this keeps coming up since secession is unconstitutional.
The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. It began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form and character and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these, the Union was solemnly declared to 'be perpetual.' And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained 'to form a more perfect Union.' It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?
...
When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.
posted by kirkaracha at 9:03 AM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


if he or any of his staffers does anything seriously illegal in their dealings with Russia.

Hell, or if any of them have ever used the Internet to mediate their dealings with anything else of a more -- shall we say -- "personal" nature.

/tries not to imagine Trump's browser history
posted by spitbull at 9:03 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


I realized that the reason why these threads are addictive is because this election season is like watching a plane heading slowly toward the WTC and realizing, with relief, that it seems like it is going to miss. The brave lady passenger aboard the plane has grabbed hold of the controls and maybe everything will end well and something is right with the country after all.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 9:04 AM on August 17, 2016 [23 favorites]


And then you realize that 30% of the passengers on the plane were in on the damn plot all along.
posted by spitbull at 9:06 AM on August 17, 2016 [32 favorites]


I don't know why this keeps coming up since secession is unconstitutional.

Since when has that mattered?
posted by rp at 9:06 AM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


The brave lady passenger aboard the plane has grabbed hold of the controls and maybe everything will end well and something is right with the country after all.

If by "brave lady passenger" you mean "Goldman Sachs", you are correct. We will continue on our current course.
posted by ryanshepard at 9:06 AM on August 17, 2016 [9 favorites]


Do not underestimate the number of people who really really dislike or hate Hillary
Exactly, there is not a polling history for the situation. As much as Candidate Trump seems to be alienating significant demographics some are subsets that could have low turnout.

And the debates, two annoying people that I for one can not particularly bear to listen, but one that can have entertaining, if wacky, sound bites. Things could switch around so fast, it could even make Trumps head spind (around a full ten times, you know what that means :-)
posted by sammyo at 9:09 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Metaphor source?: Airport 1975, starring Charleton Heston and Karen Black
posted by ZeusHumms at 9:10 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


I have some questions about contributing campaigns.

- Does anyone know the optimal amount to donate to HFA at a time?
- Does it cost the campaign more money to process small (< $5) donations?

I have limited funds, so I want to maximize their effectiveness.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 9:11 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


How do I join the Vodka Wolves?

Like the loup garou of legend, you'll need a belt made of wolfskin, like this one. Then you have to engage in a nighttime ritual where you consume a magic potion beneath the light of the moon. Once you finish the entire potion, you'll think wearing a furry hat is a great idea and boom, you're in!
posted by robocop is bleeding at 9:12 AM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


/tries not to imagine Trump's browser history

oh you think he looks things up?
posted by psoas at 9:12 AM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


No, this magic potion....
posted by sammyo at 9:14 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


/tries not to imagine Trump's browser history

it's just Google searches for "Donald Trump" over and over.
posted by davros42 at 9:14 AM on August 17, 2016 [86 favorites]


If by "brave lady passenger" you mean "Goldman Sachs", you are correct.

can u not pls
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:14 AM on August 17, 2016 [127 favorites]


Aren't these Intelligence briefings basically the Reader's Digest version of events anyway? I mean, I really hope they are.
posted by RedEmma at 9:15 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hey kids, how about a Mifi contest, a pool on when the next Trump Campaign Manager is "brought on". I'll pick 9/23.
posted by sammyo at 9:16 AM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


If by "brave lady passenger" you mean "Goldman Sachs", you are correct. We will continue on our current course.

This is the terrible result of Citizens United! Companies as people! Companies on airplanes! And they've been drinking! Wait a minute, companies can't fly! COMPANIES CAN'T FLY!
posted by filthy light thief at 9:17 AM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


If by "brave lady passenger" you mean "Goldman Sachs", you are correct. We will continue on our current course.

*grind grind grind*

Sharp enough yet?
posted by dersins at 9:17 AM on August 17, 2016 [61 favorites]


This election is the best TV I've ever watched. Also the most frightening.
posted by codacorolla at 9:18 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hey kids, how about a Mifi contest, a pool on when the next Trump Campaign Manager is "brought on". I'll pick 9/23.

I'll go with 9/22, because that's the fall equinox, a more auspicious day for summonings.
posted by prize bull octorok at 9:20 AM on August 17, 2016 [51 favorites]


one dollar
posted by griphus at 9:21 AM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


Imagine trying to write satire

Trump Asks Ailes Why He Can't Just Hire "That Gerbles Guy, You Know, from Germany"

Trump Redirects $80 Million to Funding Mission to Find, Clone Goebbels DNA

Ryan, McConnell Denounce Creation of Zombie Goebbels Clone, Still Endorse Trump
posted by the return of the thin white sock at 9:22 AM on August 17, 2016 [30 favorites]




The New Yorker: Trump's Blunt-force Foreign Policy

A quarter century before he ran for the Presidency, Donald Trump lobbied to be the chief U.S. negotiator with the Soviet Union on a deal to mutually limit their nuclear arsenals....
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 9:23 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


If by "brave lady passenger" you mean "Goldman Sachs", you are correct. We will continue on our current course.

If the only two options are "continue on current course" and "literally die in twisted, fiery wreckage" I'm perfectly okay with selecting Option A.

Or to put it another way, the current ballot does not read:
[ ] Perfect
[ ] Good

It reads:
[ ] Fine
[ ] Evil
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:24 AM on August 17, 2016 [86 favorites]


RedEmma: Aren't these Intelligence briefings basically the Reader's Digest version of events anyway? I mean, I really hope they are.
...concerning the substance of the information provided, there have been considerable variations in the amount and the type of material made available. All candidates in recent years have valued receiving the President's Daily Brief (PDB), the CIA intelligence summary created exclusively for the President. Some have wanted to receive additional, supplementary intelligence publications during the campaign and the transition period. A few have wanted oral briefings by a number of substantive experts as opposed to hearing from a single Agency briefer each day; others have found multiple briefers confusing or overwhelming.
Excerpt from Getting to Know the President: CIA Briefings of Presidential Candidates, 1952–1992 (PDF, hosted on CIA.gov)
posted by filthy light thief at 9:26 AM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


Oh man, that Garry Trudeau interview TMOTAT posted upthread:

AMY GOODMAN: I want to go to 1999. You have a cartoon with Donald Trump saying, quote, "A lot of people have been asking what this election is really about. Well, it’s not about the economy, stupid! And it’s not character, stupid! And it’s not authenticity, stupid! It’s not even about the issues, stupid! You want to know what this election is about?" Someone then says, "You, stupid?" Trump replies, "Exactly! People are begging me to run! Begging me!"

GARRY TRUDEAU: Oh, they’re always begging him, and there are always hundreds of calls. And what’s astonishing is these things are obviously made up. But what’s most astonishing about his lack of truth is that he wheels it out for the most banal and trivial of reasons. I was talking to a crew member on CNN who said he was in his office setting up a camera—this was a while back—and he overheard Trump talking to his daughter in the outer office. And he said, "Well, there are five cameras in my office." And he said, "Five? There was one. I was setting up one camera." Why lie to your daughter about how many cameras in your—I mean, the most, you know, insignificant things get lied about, and right up to last night, when he was imagining a video he never saw.

posted by mandolin conspiracy at 9:26 AM on August 17, 2016 [60 favorites]


Got back from seeing family in North Carolina this weekend, where I kept getting sat at the more racist end of the table, and even they seemed lukewarm on Trump. I don't know who they're voting for, because the constant haranguing about my party identification was too much to bear already, but they freely acknowledged that he was a pretty terrible candidate. I can't imagine them voting for Hillary, but I can hope that they'll stay home out of frustration.

My Trump-loving Floridian grandfather, who I mentioned briefly in the previous thread, said he's thinking of writing in Putin on Election Day, just to send the world a message. I told him with outright earnestness that I would love it if he voted Putin in November.
posted by rorgy at 9:26 AM on August 17, 2016 [47 favorites]


Donald Trump Overhauls Campaign, But Lacks Focus

Well, yeah, When you bring in people to layer the guy you brought in to layer the guy who was in charge to begin with, you've kind of lost the plot.

By election day Trump's campaign structure will look like a fucking croissant.
posted by dersins at 9:26 AM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


I think I need a Playstation Vue sub to get live CNN and MSNBC for the rest of the election season.
posted by Talez at 9:27 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


The general consensus among the chattering classes (including GOP-leaning columnists) seems to be that Trump is opting to bring the whole GOP down with him in November—the "Samson Option."

Or that Trump has entered the "hospice phase" of his campaign: he's dying, he knows it, and just wants to be surrounded by people he loves.

It's all so bizarre.
posted by My Dad at 9:31 AM on August 17, 2016 [92 favorites]


Or that Trump has entered the "hospice phase" of his campaign: he's dying, he knows it, and just wants to be surrounded by people he loves.

Oh my god
posted by cashman at 9:35 AM on August 17, 2016 [30 favorites]


said he's thinking of writing in Putin on Election Day, just to send the world a message.

I've so wanted to start a hoax that discovers Putin due to a flight emergency out of Vladivostok was actually born on a secret airbase on one of the Aleutian islands and thus was eligible to be an American citizen with the ability to run for President. No less implausible that the silliness about Obama.
posted by sammyo at 9:36 AM on August 17, 2016 [9 favorites]


Since this entire campaign is like a Simpsons in-joke anyway, I hope that this campaign isn't like that episode where Martin ran for class president against Bart, and Bart was overwhelmingly popular during the campaign, but when voting happened during recess everyone forgot to vote for Bart and went to play, and Martin and his one friend stayed behind and voted Martin and Martin became class president.
posted by zutalors! at 9:36 AM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


Or that Trump has entered the "hospice phase" of his campaign:

Just like the first dozen primaries.
posted by sammyo at 9:37 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


I've so wanted to start a hoax that discovers Putin due to a flight emergency out of Vladivostok was actually born on a secret airbase on one of the Aleutian islands and thus was eligible to be an American citizen with the ability to run for President.

Also he's a secret Targaryen
posted by prize bull octorok at 9:38 AM on August 17, 2016 [15 favorites]


Speaking of diseased campaigns, the very excellent Dr. Jennifer Gunter ("OB/GYN, writer, sexpert, defender of evidence-based medicine") has a look at the letter from Trump's doctor:

I’m A Doctor. Here’s What I Find Most Concerning About Trump’s Medical Letter
posted by mandolin conspiracy at 9:39 AM on August 17, 2016 [18 favorites]


Who isn't a secret Targaryen this point?
posted by asteria at 9:39 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Michael Steele: The GOP Needed Trump's Nomination
“This is all part of the process,” he said. “This has to happen. This confrontation with ourselves.” That confrontation involves the GOP realizing that it has itself to blame for the destructive rise of Trump. “[I]n large measure, we laid down the metrics and pathway for Donald Trump to emerge and to arise the way he did,” Steele said. “He understood the GOP better than the GOP understood itself.” Steele contends that because trust between the party and its base is gone, “[T]his confrontation within the party is something that is long overdue.” [...]
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 9:39 AM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


If by "brave lady passenger" you mean "Goldman Sachs", you are correct. We will continue on our current course.

Or so they thought...
But they didn't account for one small variable:

Dr. Jill Stein is

Passenger 57

Always bet on Green!

posted by Atom Eyes at 9:40 AM on August 17, 2016 [22 favorites]


And he said, "Five? There was one. I was setting up one camera." Why lie to your daughter about how many cameras in your—I mean, the most, you know, insignificant things get lied about, and right up to last night, when he was imagining a video he never saw.

Most people have met this kind of person, and most of them are harmlessly looking to be a little impressive. Any story a friend of mine tells about his drug use at music festivals needs to be divided by 5 in order to approach reality, where reality is 'he is alive to tell me this story.'

Ivanka is probably very good at mental division.
posted by palindromic at 9:43 AM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


I’m A Doctor. Here’s What I Find Most Concerning About Trump’s Medical Letter

Hah the "only positive results" catch is great. I'm not alone in having been to the doc many times hoping and hoping for the tests to be negative. Turns out Trump tests positive for diarrhea of the mouth.
posted by dis_integration at 9:43 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Michael Steele: The GOP Needed Trump's Nomination

Respectfully, Michael Steele, the rest of us who are not int he GOP really do not need any of this.
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:43 AM on August 17, 2016 [14 favorites]


> “[I]n large measure, we laid down the metrics and pathway for Donald Trump to emerge and to arise the way he did,” Steele said.

Yeah, take a good hard look in the mirror, former chairman of the Republican National Committee.
posted by RedOrGreen at 9:44 AM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump's loser talk about how the election is going to be rigged is hugely corrosive

The election process has been watched pretty carefully and well vetted. But, would it be cool if this forced states that have registration issues to be looked at closer and have those issues cleaned up a bit?
posted by sammyo at 9:44 AM on August 17, 2016


Dr. Jill Stein is
Passenger 57
Always bet on Green!


FLIGHT ATTENDANT: Dr. Stein, you did it. We're saved!

JILL STEIN: Not yet. There's still one thing I have to do.

[JILL STEIN descends into the cargo hold and disables the chemtrail-spraying device]
posted by prize bull octorok at 9:45 AM on August 17, 2016 [109 favorites]


Trump supporters react to (bogus) outrageous campaign ads, including a project consisting in locking illegal Mexicans in porta potties, loading the potties on flatbed trucks and driving them across the border: "it is something that could be worked with". I hope these people are actually actors, but I'm not sure.
posted by elgilito at 9:46 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Is anyone still listening? Is there a pool of voters who can still turn this around for The Donald?

Do not underestimate the number of people who really really dislike or hate Hillary Clinton. If Trump can somehow convince some of them that he could be a reasonable choice, we are in trouble.


This is precisely what I don't understand, though. He desperately needs the I-hate-Hillary vote. But a large portion of those people are also (increasingly) lukewarm on him. So why the fuck is he doubling-down on the no-holds-barred let-me-be-me, rather than trying his damnedest to be any smidge more temperate and reasoned and measured? I honestly believe it's just the result of being patently incapable of following through with any sort of redirection or change. He has no idea how to not be him.
posted by bologna on wry at 9:46 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


I have a relative who is undecided between Trump and Clinton. This is a person who put Palin's book on her Christmas list and is horrified by people who wear American flag print boxers. She claims to be "independent" but I'd bet my savings that she always votes Republican. Yet she thinks Trump is unstable and doesn't know if she can stomach him, but she thinks Clinton is a lying liar who lies so the "Crooked Hillary" rhetoric has gotten to her. I didn't try to convince her; I don't think Wisconsin will go for Trump and frankly I was out of emotional energy that day. All I said was that Trump and Pence (especially Pence) viscerally hate me and want me dead, and hopefully she loves me enough.
posted by AFABulous at 9:47 AM on August 17, 2016 [12 favorites]


I hope that this campaign isn't like that episode where Martin ran for class president against Bart, and Bart was overwhelmingly popular during the campaign, but when voting happened during recess everyone forgot to vote for Bart and went to play, and Martin and his one friend stayed behind and voted Martin and Martin became class president.

Bart attempted to rally non-voters with his campaign of willful, gleeful ignorance and over-the-top promises. Martin, though less charismatic, ran a pragmatic, issues-based campaign that turned out reliable voters.

It wouldn't be the worst if this campaign was like that episode.
posted by palindromic at 9:47 AM on August 17, 2016 [32 favorites]


Hey kids, how about a Mifi contest, a pool on when the next Trump Campaign Manager is "brought on". I'll pick 9/23.

I pick 8/31, because it's silly.
posted by ZeusHumms at 9:49 AM on August 17, 2016


Of course this happened while Ivanka was out of the country...on David Geffen's yacht (dun dun dun).
posted by sallybrown at 9:53 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


All candidates in recent years have valued receiving the President's Daily Brief (PDB)

Unfortunately President Bush didn't value PDBs.
posted by kirkaracha at 9:56 AM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


“This is all part of the process,” he said. “This has to happen.

I was trying to think of when this corrosive style of American politics started. It certainly has its roots in the Tea Party movement, but, then again, in the decade following 9/11 the Democrats were cowed and brow-beaten into submission by Bush II's "you're either with us or with the terrorists" bullying.
posted by My Dad at 9:56 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


...I hope these people are actually actors, but I'm not sure.

It doesn't matter. They're indistinguishable from real people.
posted by odinsdream at 9:56 AM on August 17, 2016


“This is all part of the process,” he said. “This has to happen. This confrontation with ourselves.”
I see that Michael Steele has reached the fifth stage of grief.
posted by octobersurprise at 9:58 AM on August 17, 2016 [16 favorites]


So why the fuck is he doubling-down on the no-holds-barred let-me-be-me

At his rallies he's playing to the committed (double entendre intended) but wait for the debates, if he comes across as not wacko, more "presidential" and Hil just annoying and reacting embarrassingly poorly to attacks, the silent majority fencesitters could fall to the donald side.
posted by sammyo at 9:59 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hey kids, how about a Mifi contest, a pool on when the next Trump Campaign Manager is "brought on". I'll pick 9/23.

I'll go with 9/22, because that's the fall equinox, a more auspicious day for summonings.


The veil is thinnest on Samhain, so I'm putting all my chips on 10/31 if we're thinking about bringing something out of permanent retirement.
posted by Sophie1 at 9:59 AM on August 17, 2016 [23 favorites]


This is getting to be like one of those NASCAR crashes where the car just keeps spinning and spinning with parts of car flying off every couple of revolutions.
posted by srboisvert at 10:02 AM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


I’m A Doctor. Here’s What I Find Most Concerning About Trump’s Medical Letter

My favorite part is the fact that the MD who wrote the letter had been dead for a few years prior to the release of this evaluation.
posted by Golem XIV at 10:07 AM on August 17, 2016 [9 favorites]


I was trying to think of when this corrosive style of American politics started.

1994
posted by the return of the thin white sock at 10:09 AM on August 17, 2016 [21 favorites]


My favorite part is the fact that the MD who wrote the letter had been dead for a few years prior to the release of this evaluation.
I already said this in the last thread, but: The doctor who died is just one of the two names on the letterhead. The doctor who signed it is the other one. It's weird but doesn't prove fraud or anything. It would have been nice if she were more explicit about this; I thought it was a smoking gun too at first.
posted by dfan at 10:13 AM on August 17, 2016 [9 favorites]


The next two months are gonna be like Milo Yiannopoulos-meets-'Let Bartlet Be Bartlet'
posted by Itaxpica at 10:13 AM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


I’m A Doctor. Here’s What I Find Most Concerning About Trump’s Medical Letter

This is the best thing I've seen all week. Next, can we see a poorly-photocopied reproduction of the note excusing him from 3rd grade gym class, signed "My Parents"?
posted by Mayor West at 10:15 AM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


My favorite part is the fact that the MD who wrote the letter had been dead for a few years prior to the release of this evaluation.
I already said this in the last thread, but: The doctor who died is just one of the two names on the letterhead. The doctor who signed it is the other one. It's weird but doesn't prove fraud or anything. It would have been nice if she were more explicit about this; I thought it was a smoking gun too at first.


I blame Meredith.
posted by briank at 10:15 AM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


The (surviving) doctor is almost certainly in the same boat as Meredith, a person with whom Trump has some sort of arrangement where he gets to attach their name to whatever self-serving bullshit he needs.
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:15 AM on August 17, 2016 [9 favorites]


Dr. Jill Stein is
Passenger 57
Always bet on Green!


FLIGHT ATTENDANT: Dr. Stein, quickly! This passenger can't breathe!

JILL STEIN: You can relax. I'm here now ...and I've brought my crystals.
posted by leotrotsky at 10:15 AM on August 17, 2016 [13 favorites]


Let's please not start getting complacent.

A Monmouth poll just shows Trump up 11 in Indiana. Like it or not, it seems that large parts of this country have swallowed the Trump lines.
posted by peacheater at 10:16 AM on August 17, 2016 [14 favorites]


Now we know why Trump took today off. Expect the Trumpbart relaunch tomorrow in downtown Charlotte, following a couple of high-roller fundraisers. That's an interesting location for it. I'd expect people to come in from the boonies (especially SC, which isn't a battleground), but how's it going to play to the white-collar small-c conservatives who are not especially into asshole white grievance politics?
posted by holgate at 10:16 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]




FLIGHT ATTENDANT: Thank goodness, we've defused 99 of the 100 microbombs on board!

JILL STEIN: You fool! You've only made the explosives more powerful!
posted by leotrotsky at 10:17 AM on August 17, 2016 [120 favorites]


Just flashed up on NY Times alert: "Donald Trump's Casinos owed a tax bill of almost $30 million to New Jersey. Then his friend Chris Christie became governer." Link.

I love popcorn.
posted by Special Agent Dale Cooper at 10:17 AM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


I was trying to think of when this corrosive style of American politics started.

1994


I'd say 1964-ish but honestly has it ever not been like this? I certainly don't recall learning about the overwhelming civility of the American political process in history class and nothing I've read since has worked particularly hard to change my mind.
posted by griphus at 10:19 AM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


Let's please not start getting complacent.

Trust me, my feelings of terror are set to the appropriate level.
posted by Artw at 10:19 AM on August 17, 2016 [23 favorites]


Next, can we see a poorly-photocopied reproduction of the note excusing him from 3rd grade gym class, signed "My Parents"?


"Epstein's Mother"
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 10:19 AM on August 17, 2016 [18 favorites]


more like Kuzka's mother am i right folks
posted by griphus at 10:21 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


From Vanity Fair in 2004: Donald Trump Answers the Proust Questionnaire
Vanity Fair has done a series of Proust Questionnaires over the years.
posted by kirkaracha at 10:21 AM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


They don't ask his favorite curse word.
posted by kirkaracha at 10:22 AM on August 17, 2016


"I despise many living people." -- Donald J. Trump
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:24 AM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


*Puts on tinfoil hat* So what happens when the shadowy right take Trump out.?
GOP walkover?
posted by adamvasco at 10:24 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]




actually he comes across as, idk, not a monster? in the Vanity Fair thing, but it's funny that he would like to be reincarnated as a building.
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:25 AM on August 17, 2016


"I despise many living people." -- Archlich Xonolotep the Unseeing
posted by theodolite at 10:25 AM on August 17, 2016 [14 favorites]



Dr. Jill Stein is
Passenger 57
Always bet on Green!


Odds of hitting on Zero or Double Zero: 2.63%
Jill Stein current polling: ~3%

Pretty close, actually.
posted by leotrotsky at 10:25 AM on August 17, 2016 [12 favorites]


I was trying to think of when this corrosive style of American politics started.

1994


You can always point out negative, nasty rhetoric going back to the beginning, but I think the qualitative shift in modern times that people are feeling happened in 1988, when Lee Atwater ran Bush I's campaign, as documented in the movie "Boogie Man." Trump probably internalized the Atwater style of politicking around then.
posted by demonic winged headgear at 10:25 AM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


Shapiro surely means a "Sharknado"; if you're gonna use an outdated pop culture reference, at least do it correctly.

Like I needed another reason to despise him.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 10:26 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


well, he is a living person
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:28 AM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


I was trying to think of when this corrosive style of American politics started.

1994

I'd say 1964-ish but honestly has it ever not been like this? I certainly don't recall learning about the overwhelming civility of the American political process in history class and nothing I've read since has worked particularly hard to change my mind.


I'm inclined to go with 1994 over 1964 because of the rise of Newt Gingrich. He helped usher in a distinct cultural change in Congress away from collegiality and towards combativeness and clannishness.
posted by ZeusHumms at 10:29 AM on August 17, 2016 [16 favorites]


"I despise many living people." -- Archlich Xonolotep the Unseeing

I doubt Trump has the attention span for necromancy.

Liches are also healthier looking and have a better skin tone.
posted by leotrotsky at 10:30 AM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


This answer from that Vanity Fair thing is so revealing:

"What is the quality you most like in a man? Integrity and loyalty—although they are almost the same thing, at least to me."
posted by prefpara at 10:30 AM on August 17, 2016 [22 favorites]


Shapiro surely means a "Sharknado"; if you're gonna use an outdated pop culture reference, at least do it correctly.

Maybe "Shark tornado" is the off-brand version of Sharknado, like how some stores refer to their generic rip-offs of Dr Pepper as "pepper soda".
posted by Atom Eyes at 10:30 AM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


You can always point out negative, nasty rhetoric going back to the beginning, but I think the qualitative shift in modern times that people are feeling happened in 1988, when Lee Atwater ran Bush I's campaign, as documented in the movie "Boogie Man." Trump probably internalized the Atwater style of politicking around then.

Bush I at least chose raising taxes and losing the election over bankrupting the nation. I don't think you could say the same about Trump and Bush II chose bankrupting the nation QED. 1994 is when the Republicans truly went "fuck all taxes and all the black people they help".
posted by Talez at 10:31 AM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


PASSENGER: Dr. Stein, we found a vaccine! We can save the co-pilot!

[JILL STEIN turns, dives towards the PASSENGER, and knocks the vaccine syringe out of her hand]

JILL STEIN: That was too close.
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:31 AM on August 17, 2016 [24 favorites]


Same question of best quality for a woman: beauty.
posted by thebrokedown at 10:31 AM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


Shapiro surely means a "Sharknado"; if you're gonna use an outdated pop culture reference, at least do it correctly.

Like I needed another reason to despise him.
He said Sharknado; the transcription was in error. My apologies for passing it on without fact-checking it first.
posted by dfan at 10:32 AM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


Indiana FB contacts are reporting Hillary ads on TV there. It would appear the Hillary campaign is aware of Pence's negatives in-state.
posted by mwhybark at 10:32 AM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]




Oh god, it only took two weeks for that Onion article to come true. That is amazing.

We now live INSIDE of the onion. There are only tears.
posted by Fizz at 10:35 AM on August 17, 2016 [110 favorites]


It would appear the Hillary campaign is aware of Pence's negatives in-state.

Not like that's tough to learn; just stop a random Hoosier on the street and ask them.

*SPITS*
posted by leotrotsky at 10:37 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


"I despise many living people." -- Archlich Xonolotep the Unseeing

The Archlich later distanced himself from the Trump campaign, clarifying that he hates all living things equally and intends to consume their life-energies in a fair and egalitarian manner.
posted by Mitrovarr at 10:38 AM on August 17, 2016 [29 favorites]


@benshapiro calls Trump campaign a “turd tornado”
CNN host: “A what tornado?”
Shapiro: “a turd tornado. Like a shark tornado with poop"


Good lord. Reality has already outpaced Owen Ellicson's twitter feed.
posted by PlusDistance at 10:40 AM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


The Archlich later distanced himself from the Trump campaign, clarifying that he hates all living things equally and intends to consume their life-energies in a fair and egalitarian manner.

"Roger, I've gone to bat for you plenty of times in the past, but this guy? Are you kidding me? Thoth, what an asshole."
posted by leotrotsky at 10:45 AM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


Privately, the Archlich admitted to close confidants that Manafort gave him the creeps and that Ailes had, on more than one occasion, made inappropriate remarks that made him feel unsafe
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:47 AM on August 17, 2016 [34 favorites]


PASSENGER: You did it Dr. Stein, the plane is saved!

[CUT TO: flashback of Dr. Stein at that party with Putin. They nod at each other

CUT TO: extreme close-up of Dr. Stein's face]

DR. STEIN (under her breath): Hail Hydra!
posted by Joey Michaels at 10:47 AM on August 17, 2016 [26 favorites]


I for one could use some [real] and [fake] tags right about now.
posted by palindromic at 10:48 AM on August 17, 2016 [16 favorites]


O villain, villain, smiling, damnèd villain!
My tables!—Meet it is I set it down
That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain.
At least I’m sure it may be so on Meet the Press.

posted by Wallace Shawn at 10:48 AM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


The Archlich later distanced himself from the Trump campaign, clarifying that he hates all living things equally and intends to consume their life-energies in a fair and egalitarian manner.

No Lives Matter.
posted by Faint of Butt at 10:50 AM on August 17, 2016 [30 favorites]


the stuff about the Archlich is [fake], palindromic. as of yet we have no confirmation that Trump is in league with the undead
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:50 AM on August 17, 2016 [21 favorites]


It's not surprising that shows like Parks & Rec and Hamilton that are earnest to the core have become so popular

No shit. I've been rewatching "The West Wing" recently. At the end of S2E3, the gang reflects on what you can say about a country that "goes out of its way to defend even those who want to destroy it," and the consensus is, "God bless America."

In a week when the nominee of a major political party calls for ideological tests for immigrants (among other horrors), this seems less like dewy-eyed sentimentality and more like an urgent reminder.
posted by emilypdx at 10:51 AM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]


Frankly I think the undead would have more class than to associate with Trump.
posted by Mitrovarr at 10:52 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


> as of yet we have no confirmation that Trump is in league with the undead

Wait for it, wait for it...
(I want to be in the room when *that* happens.)
posted by RedOrGreen at 10:55 AM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


FLIGHT ATTENDANT: Thanks for saving us!
DR. JILL STEIN: пожалуйста.
posted by spitbull at 10:57 AM on August 17, 2016 [17 favorites]


> I for one could use some [real] and [fake] tags right about now.

It's November 9. You have awakened to the news of a landslide Clinton victory leading a Democratic congressional majority and positive trends for Democrat tickets in many battleground states' downticket elections. The sun is shining and it's an unseasonably warm autumn day, and the air is has the rich smell of newly fallen leaves. You hear children playing happily in the park nearby. [fake]
posted by ardgedee at 10:57 AM on August 17, 2016 [24 favorites]


Frankly I think the undead would have more class than to associate with Trump.

Look, when your time on this earth is limited not by the fragile bonds of flesh but instead by an unholy combination of eldritch arts and sheer willpower, you have to take the long view: you want the best odds of there still being a civilization in a hundred-score years when the stars align and your web of intricate and subtle plans finally come to fruition. What's the point of planning to bend earth's society to your unearthly will if there's not going to be a society left to bend?

That's just common sense, really.
posted by cjelli at 10:57 AM on August 17, 2016 [23 favorites]


I for one could use some [real] and [fake] tags right about now

Photo of Trump's doctor, Harold Bornstein [real]
posted by Atom Eyes at 10:59 AM on August 17, 2016 [44 favorites]


He's the leading medical light in Margartiaville
posted by The Whelk at 11:00 AM on August 17, 2016 [20 favorites]


the stuff about the Archlich is [fake], palindromic. as of yet we have no confirmation that Trump is in league with the undead

You're a little behind. Roger Ailes is acting as an advisor to the campaign.
posted by leotrotsky at 11:01 AM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]


the stuff about the Archlich is [fake], palindromic. as of yet we have no confirmation that Trump is in league with the undead

ok but is 'turd tornado' still a thing an adult human said on the national news
posted by palindromic at 11:01 AM on August 17, 2016 [14 favorites]


I stopped following the campaign when I could no longer tell the difference between "actual Donald quotes" and "pretend Onion headlines".
posted by which_chick at 11:01 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Photo of Trump's doctor, Harold Bornstein [real]

They misspelled Lawrence Jacoby
posted by Twain Device at 11:01 AM on August 17, 2016 [17 favorites]


DR. JILL STEIN: Does this plane have wi-fi?
FLIGHT ATTENDANT: oh yes we have GoGo inflight wireless!
DR. JILL STEIN: Ach, we are all dead anyway. No point saving the plane.
posted by spitbull at 11:02 AM on August 17, 2016 [13 favorites]




I would think he'd be polling even higher. Bayh has a ton of money in campaign funds. He needs to start doing more ad buys.
posted by leotrotsky at 11:05 AM on August 17, 2016


Trump/Bayh ticket splitters are apparently a thing
posted by T.D. Strange at 11:06 AM on August 17, 2016


They misspelled Lawrence Jacoby

It all begins to make sense. Trump isn't looking to win, he's in it for the Garmonbozia.
posted by leotrotsky at 11:09 AM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


Accidentally posted in this clip in the old thread, but:

Video evidence of Ben Shapiro calling Trump himself a "turd tornado" on CNN [real]. I had to see this for myself to believe it.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 11:09 AM on August 17, 2016 [15 favorites]


Trump to Receive First Classified Briefing:
Trump is planning to take with him New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, a former Defense Intelligence Agency director who has become an outspoken supporter of Trump, a senior campaign official said.

Career staffers from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), the nation's top intelligence office, will be leading the briefing, which is expected to cover major threats and emerging concerns around the world.
posted by kirkaracha at 11:09 AM on August 17, 2016


Dr. Harold "Gonzo" Bornstein
posted by entropicamericana at 11:10 AM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump has brought in a trio new people who are known to be assholes and difficult to work with. I suppose that could work. I am skeptical that it will. Even if they manage to avoid tearing each other apart; the new leadership has only 12 weeks to fix some enormous problems:
1- The campaign appears to be missing a lot of mid level managers and those that are in place are not the best the party has to offer. 12 weeks left in the campaign means they have the staff they are going to the general election with.
2- Staff morale is said to be very low. Bringing in new people to scream at the junior staff for the crap state of affairs isn't likely to improve things.
3- Trump has unprecedented unfavorability ratings because his statements have turned off a lot of Republicans. Those arnt the Breitbart wing, they are military voters, college educated whites, and other more moderate groups. Trump isn't going to win those people back with attack ads and his con artist bullshit.
posted by humanfont at 11:10 AM on August 17, 2016 [17 favorites]


This is getting to be like one of those NASCAR crashes where the car just keeps spinning and spinning with parts of car flying off every couple of revolutions.

I like this analogy. At this point, the car is still flipping through the air and we still have to sit through the part where it lands and the leaking oil catches on fire. Even then the driver is still officially scored in the race until they finally drag what's left behind the wall. But at this point, only the driver's diehard fans hold any hope that he's still going to contend for a win.
posted by dances with hamsters at 11:10 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Frankly I think the undead would have more class than to associate with Trump

I hear Tomb of Horrors now has a big, golden TRUMP sign over the entrance. It really classes up the joint, according to Acererak.
posted by nubs at 11:10 AM on August 17, 2016 [15 favorites]


it's spelled "Bornstein," which makes it look like it's pronounced with two syllables ("born-stein"), but actually it's pronounced with three syllables ("spa-che-min").
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 11:10 AM on August 17, 2016 [14 favorites]




I stopped following the campaign when I could no longer tell the difference between "actual Donald quotes" and "pretend Onion headlines".

I wish that I too had stopped paying attention during his first speech.
posted by dances with hamsters at 11:13 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump to Receive First Classified Briefing

The same day he said he said he wouldn't trust US intelligence. Much as I join in the schadenfreude of seeing top intelligence staffers smacked around a bit, I don't think he's likely to be in a mood to learn anything.
posted by zachlipton at 11:14 AM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


> I for one could use some [real] and [fake] tags right about now.

It's November 9. You have awakened to the news of a landslide Clinton victory leading a Democratic congressional majority and positive trends for Democrat tickets in many battleground states' downticket elections. The sun is shining and it's an unseasonably warm autumn day, and the air is has the rich smell of newly fallen leaves. You hear children playing happily in the park nearby. [fake]


look
posted by ZeusHumms at 11:14 AM on August 17, 2016 [33 favorites]


November 2, 2016: Paul Ryan denounces the ibex-horned entity whose face is constantly obscured by swarming black flies currently serving as Trump's campaign manager as "deeply misguided," and says that the entity's plan to "make America great again by first reducing it to nothingness in a monstrous hecatomb of blood and lamentation" is "not the direction we should be heading in as a party or as a country," but stresses that he still supports Trump, telling voters that "the only thing worse than the Great Reaping promised by Mr. [name uncapturable by recording equipment] and the herding of mortal bodies into ash-pits where they may be formed into the very bricks that will build the wall that will seal America off from the eyes of God forever would be allowing Hillary Clinton to nominate the next Supreme Court Justice." [fake]
posted by prize bull octorok at 11:17 AM on August 17, 2016 [188 favorites]


So… Trump's doctor sometimes goes on vacation I guess? And one time he was at the beach and somebody took an unflattering photo of him? Not exactly a smoking gun, people.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 11:17 AM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


It's November 9. You have awakened to the news of a landslide Clinton victory leading a Democratic congressional majority and positive trends for Democrat tickets in many battleground states' downticket elections. The sun is shining and it's an unseasonably warm autumn day, and the air is has the rich smell of newly fallen leaves. You hear children playing happily in the park nearby. [fake]

Okay I know this is [fake] but god I just let out this sigh of relief straight from my soul
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 11:18 AM on August 17, 2016 [16 favorites]


November 2, 2016: Paul Ryan denounces the ibex-horned entity whose face is constantly obscured by swarming black flies currently serving as Trump's campaign manager as "deeply misguided," and says that the entity's plan to "make America great again by first reducing it to nothingness in a monstrous hecatomb of blood and lamentation" is "not the direction we should be heading in as a party or as a country," but stresses that he still supports Trump, telling voters that "the only thing worse than the Great Reaping promised by Mr. [name uncapturable by recording equipment] and the herding of mortal bodies into ash-pits where they may be formed into the very bricks that will build the wall that will seal America off from the eyes of God forever would be allowing Hillary Clinton to nominate the next Supreme Court Justice." [fake]

Okay I know this is [fake] but Azathoth I just let out this sigh of relief straight from my soul
posted by Faint of Butt at 11:21 AM on August 17, 2016 [28 favorites]


It's November 9. You have awakened to the news of a landslide Clinton victory leading a Democratic congressional majority and positive trends for Democrat tickets in many battleground states' downticket elections. The sun is shining and it's an unseasonably warm autumn day, and the air is has the rich smell of newly fallen leaves. You hear children playing happily in the park nearby. [fake]

damn you sir/ma'am
posted by sallybrown at 11:21 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


He's the leading medical light in Margartiaville

Maybe he can do something about healthcare, after all.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 11:22 AM on August 17, 2016


Nice thread.

Be a shame if sumfing 'happened' to it.

Fings burn, you know . . .
 
posted by Herodios at 11:24 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]



Trump is proving himself to be as unaware and gullible as many of his supporters seem to be. Bannon is a horrible human, and in many ways a lot like Trump. Pretty sure he's smarter in number of ways though and knows exactly how to play Trump to get what he wants. Trump is proving himself over and over to be one of the most gullible and un self-aware pols out there right now.

I imagine:
(fake)
Bannon: Trump. You're amazing and great. Nobody understands you. I understand you. You must just be yourself.
Trump: You are correct. You're hired!!
Bannon in his head: *evil cackle* That was as easy as I thought it would be. What a chump.
posted by Jalliah at 11:25 AM on August 17, 2016 [12 favorites]


Paul Ryan has basically been ignoring the dumpster fire that is the Trump campaign for the past couple of weeks going all-in on his A Better Way campaign which has been almost universally ignored. With Trump hogging most of the airwaves and Hillary & Co. taking the rest, Ryan has basically been left out in the cold looking through the window at the party going on.

There is no coherency in Republican strategy with Trump looking to drive full nationalism and Paul Ryan trying to engage in some weird as fuck version of nation building which will mostly be implemented as getting rid of benefits to poor people and single mothers.
posted by Talez at 11:26 AM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


He's the leading medical light in Margartiaville

I'm just a
Trump doctor in paradise
posted by sallybrown at 11:28 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Does anyone still believe Trump actually wants to be president? He's found a great vehicle for self-promotion and as someone upthread mentioned he'll probably extract a lot of money from the process to boot. He's already sown the seeds that the whole thing is rigged, so in his head he won't really lose. It seems like the worst thing for Trump would be to win.
posted by howling fantods at 11:28 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Special Agent Dale Cooper: Just flashed up on NY Times alert: "Donald Trump's Casinos owed a tax bill of almost $30 million to New Jersey. Then his friend Chris Christie became governor."
The total, with interest, had grown to almost $30 million. The state had doggedly pursued the matter through two of the casinos’ bankruptcy cases and even accused the company led by Mr. Trump of filing false reports with state casino regulators about the amount of taxes it had paid.

But the year after Governor Christie, a Republican, took office, the tone of the litigation shifted. The state entertained settlement offers. And in December 2011, after six years in court, the state agreed to accept just $5 million, roughly 17 cents on the dollar of what auditors said the casinos owed.
...
A deputy New Jersey attorney general wrote in 2007 that Donald J. Trump’s flagship casino, the Taj Mahal, had reported that it paid $2.2 million in alternative minimum assessment tax in 2003, which was not true. It had paid only $500 in income taxes.
Tax cuts for all those who can get away with them!
posted by filthy light thief at 11:30 AM on August 17, 2016 [21 favorites]


It would be the worst thing for all of us, howling fantods.
posted by infinitewindow at 11:30 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


It is good to see Trump doing so poorly since it makes those left of center jolly for the first time in many many months.
posted by Postroad at 11:30 AM on August 17, 2016


So… Trump's doctor sometimes goes on vacation I guess? And one time he was at the beach and somebody took an unflattering photo of him? Not exactly a smoking gun, people.

No, it's not, but I get the feeling some smoking might be going on, and he probably wouldn't mind if you checked out those guns
posted by prize bull octorok at 11:32 AM on August 17, 2016 [14 favorites]


Does anyone still believe Trump actually wants to be president?

Yes. He does.

He had plenty of opportunities to drop out during the primary if all he wanted to do was self-promote; he did not drop out.

He may not be doing a very good job at running for office, but the simplest explanation is that he's not very good at it, not that he has some double-secret backwards plans to self-promote while actively trying to lose.
posted by cjelli at 11:32 AM on August 17, 2016 [14 favorites]


In a FiveThirtyEight chat Nate Silver compares Trump to both Freakazoid and Dennis Rodman.
natesilver: Maybe I think it’s a stupid point!!!!!!!!!!!

Asking “what if Trump were normal” is a nonsensical question.

clare.malone: No, no. It’s asking where he’d be if he hadn’t screwed up too much in the last month to six weeks — i.e., if the pivot to the general election had gone well.

natesilver: But what if the same characteristics that prevented him from pivoting are the same ones that allowed him to win the primary?

It’s a bit like asking, “What if Dennis Rodman had a good midrange jumper?” You have a freakazoid of a player, and it all sort of works, but under relatively narrow conditions. You can’t change that one thing without the whole package being different. If Dennis Rodman had a good midrange jumper, he wouldn’t be Dennis Rodman.
posted by CBrachyrhynchos at 11:33 AM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]


the simplest explanation is that he's not very good at it

gosh yes. I don't know why this is up for debate so much.
posted by zutalors! at 11:34 AM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


Does anyone still believe Trump actually wants to be president?

I'm not sure he has an opinion on the matter, not really being a long term planner. I'm pretty sure he'd hate it if it actually happened, but right nor his focus is on running for president, and what he is going is absolutely his idea of how you win such a race. He lacks any kind of psychological complexity required for the theories that he's secretly throwing it.

On the other hand, if he loses, not really wanting the job will absolutely be one of his excuses.
posted by Artw at 11:34 AM on August 17, 2016 [14 favorites]


He may not be doing a very good job at running for office, but the simplest explanation is that he's not very good at it, not that he has some double-secret backwards plans to self-promote while actively trying to lose.

Business as typical for Trump? Plan big and showy, fail big after the media has moved on, depend on cronies for the bail-out, and keep the golden parachute for the next failure.
posted by CBrachyrhynchos at 11:36 AM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


Does anyone still believe Trump actually wants to be president? He's found a great vehicle for self-promotion and as someone upthread mentioned he'll probably extract a lot of money from the process to boot. He's already sown the seeds that the whole thing is rigged, so in his head he won't really lose. It seems like the worst thing for Trump would be to win.

I think he thinks he does but is not capable of doing the analysis needed to figure out why he isn't. His narcissist brain is just not able to deal with the evidence that he as is "I am Donald" is not winning strategy like in the primaries. So he has a whole bunch of people around him trying to get him to understand why he isn't winning and he is only capable of latching onto the ones that give him all the reasons why it's not him. And I expect that they're coaching him on all the ways, like you suggest that he can still 'win'.

He's being played big time by people that really get how he works and are okay with him being horrible because they are just as horrible. Like is attracting like into one big blob of horriblness.
posted by Jalliah at 11:37 AM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


"jolly" isn't quite the right word. It's more like we're in a game of Russian roulette, we've discovered that we're pretty sure the chamber in the gun against our head is empty, but we also know that the gun will come back around the table to us before the game is over.

No wait that's not quite the right analogy. You know the movie Gravity? The central conceit of the movie is that the main characters are on a space shuttle that's in the path of a swarm of orbiting debris that comes back around to them every 45 minutes or so. Each time they survive it, they know they've bought themselves a little bit of time to catch their breath and make preparations, but also they're a little bit more damaged and a little bit less prepared for the next onslaught.

Every election, the Republicans throw a new type of awfulness at America. And even when the awfulness loses, it still damages new parts of the body politic on its way through.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 11:40 AM on August 17, 2016 [69 favorites]


I'm not sure he has an opinion on the matter, not really being a long term planner.

Yes, it might be better to say 'Trump wants to win the election' rather than 'Trump wants to be President,' because the second statement means different things to different people: it seems possible he wants to 'be president' in the sense of wielding power without having responsibilities, whereas many candidates want to 'be president' because they're called to service. He isn't trying to lose, is the takeaway.
posted by cjelli at 11:41 AM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]


the simplest explanation is that he's not very good at it

gosh yes. I don't know why this is up for debate so much.

Dan Drezner in The Washington Post: “The trouble with writing about Donald Trump” (March 28, 2016)
No matter how much one tries to develop an alternative perspective, the inescapable conclusion is that Trump is a narcissistic, ignorant, misogynistic gasbag. Which means that, at this point, the entire commentariat winds up sounding pretty much the same when it comes to him.

He’s basic and bad. There’s really nothing else of substance to say.
posted by Going To Maine at 11:41 AM on August 17, 2016 [26 favorites]


Trump has totally trashed his brand though. Overall he's been this funny over the top media person all my life, and I didn't even know he delved into politics until the birther stuff, though I might have guessed. I didn't really seek him out much outside the first season of The Apprentice.

Like he might find a new line of business among the Trumpers, but for a lot of sane people they won't want to go anywhere near that brand.
posted by zutalors! at 11:41 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


>It is good to see Trump doing so poorly since it makes those left of center jolly for the first time in many many months.

Ah yes, jollity. Trouble is, I was hanging out hereabouts before Bush got elected, and it seems to me the mood was pretty jolly. Trump seems like The Worst Thing Ever at the moment, but so did Palin, and so did Bush. The bottom line is, if they're gonna keep nominating reality TV stars and professional wrestlers and white supremacists and certifiable loons and whatever else they got, sooner or later the spaghetti is gonna stick to the wall.

On preview: what You Can't Tip A Buick said.
posted by Sing Or Swim at 11:43 AM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


Does anyone have a spare "Surely this..." I can borrow? I ran out weeks ago.
posted by zakur at 11:44 AM on August 17, 2016 [12 favorites]


Also, his doctor letter says he has no history using alcohol or tobacco. So how does he know Trump Vodka is the best?!?
posted by under_petticoat_rule at 11:44 AM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


zutalors!: Like he might find a new line of business among the Trumpers, but for a lot of sane people they won't want to go anywhere near that brand.

Good news for Donnie - there is still a significantly large percentage of the population that supports him, and if they continue to support him, they're more likely to be hardcore supporters going forward. In other words, they're a great base for future marketing.
posted by filthy light thief at 11:44 AM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


Like he might find a new line of business among the Trumpers, but for a lot of sane people they won't want to go anywhere near that brand.
posted by zutalors! at 11:41 AM on August 17 [+] [!]


Eh, I dunno. I think he has a built in market now for whatever he wants to sell. Call it 20% of the country. 20% of 350 million people are going to be willing to buy whatever he's selling, because otherwise they'll have to question their entire world.

He will unfortunately be fine.
posted by schadenfrau at 11:44 AM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]



I'd say 1964-ish but honestly has it ever not been like this? I certainly don't recall learning about the overwhelming civility of the American political process in history class and nothing I've read since has worked particularly hard to change my mind.


In 1864 a U.S. senator beat another U.S. senator nearly to death on the senate floor over the issue of abolitionism. This is not new, and it's been worse.
posted by Ragged Richard at 11:45 AM on August 17, 2016 [14 favorites]


Trump has totally trashed his brand though

Don't think he's capable of figuring out why that has happened either. It sure won't be his fault. I have no doubt that he went into it thinking that yes this will be good for me, he IS his brand. I don't think he's intellectually capable of understanding how much he's ruined it, let alone why.
posted by Jalliah at 11:46 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


under_petticoat_rule: Also, his doctor letter says he has no history using alcohol or tobacco. So how does he know Trump Vodka is the best?!?

Uh, duh. Everything he does is the best. Even when it's collapsing in a fiery ruin, it's the best fiery ruin you'll ever see. (See: his continued support for the short-lived Trump University - 2005-2010, but always #1 in his heart stories.)
posted by filthy light thief at 11:46 AM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


In a FiveThirtyEight chat Nate Silver compares Trump to both Freakazoid and Dennis Rodman.

Of the many characteristics that Trump and Rodman share (attention-getting hair, friendship with tyrants, reality TV and wrestling roles, marriage to and divorce from models, resemblance to characters in dystopian fiction), I didn't think statistical je ne sais quoi would be the one to draw a comparison.
posted by knuckle tattoos at 11:47 AM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


It is good to see Trump doing so poorly since it makes those left of center jolly for the first time in many many months.

Hey, pal. This graveyard ain't gonna whistle past itself.
posted by Atom Eyes at 11:47 AM on August 17, 2016 [25 favorites]


Does anyone have a spare "Surely this..." I can borrow? I ran out weeks ago.

I borrowed a cup of evens from the neighbor the other day.
posted by Going To Maine at 11:47 AM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


i'm gonna miss the onion's joe biden articles, but i just might be able to cope if we continue to get these in exchange
posted by entropicamericana at 11:48 AM on August 17, 2016 [24 favorites]


Every election, the Republicans throw a new type of awfulness at America. And even when the awfulness loses, it still damages new parts of the body politic on its way through.

To expand on your space shuttle analogy, what I think/hope will happen in November is that NASA get's out the "Okay, we're done fuckin' around now" space shuttle they keep way at the back of the hanger. It takes a lot of energy on the crew's part and everyone at NASA, including the slackers needs to bring their A-game. But if they do, the thing will fly to Mars and back without breaking a sweat and shrugs off space debris like it's not even there.
posted by VTX at 11:51 AM on August 17, 2016




zutalors!: Like he might find a new line of business among the Trumpers, but for a lot of sane people they won't want to go anywhere near that brand.

Good news for Donnie - there is still a significantly large percentage of the population that supports him, and if they continue to support him, they're more likely to be hardcore supporters going forward. In other words, they're a great base for future marketing.


right, but just those hardcore supporters, and that's a diminishing group. I'm not saying that he's going to be like out on the street or anything, but his "famous rich guy" brand is tarnished. Macy's dropped him for example. So he's not going to have that mainstream support again like he had.

I'm not saying he'll have some terrible life but I doubt this benefited his business future, though like others said above, it seems like he doesn't care.
posted by zutalors! at 11:53 AM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


In a FiveThirtyEight chat Nate Silver compares Trump to both Freakazoid and Dennis Rodman.

that fivethirtyeight chat reads like baseball announcers desperately trying to fill airtime in the seventh inning of a shutout.
posted by murphy slaw at 11:53 AM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


I assume that someone gave him an executive summary of Rick Perlstein's piece on the conservative media direct mail grift, and his takeaway was that he needed to get some of these lists of marks who literally sign up for the con. Huckabee and Carson and the lot have demonstrated that unsuccessful presidential bids are a fine way to tap into that sweet right-wing luchre.
posted by palindromic at 11:53 AM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


I’d say 1964-ish but honestly has it ever not been like this? I certainly don’t recall learning about the overwhelming civility of the American political process in history class and nothing I've read since has worked particularly hard to change my mind.

In 1864 a U.S. senator beat another U.S. senator nearly to death on the senate floor over the issue of abolitionism. This is not new, and it's been worse.


The problem with “not been like this” and “it’s been worse” is that they are inherently subjective measurements. Like, bringing up examples of violence on the Senate floor in advance of the Civil War isn’t a great point of comparison. There have been all kinds of smears leveled throughout U.S. history against candidates, but there have also been a lot of relatively civil US elections. Maybe a better question is whether or not there’s even been a less qualified nominee than Trump, because I sincerely doubt it. Perhaps Harding? And to hear Upton Sinclair tell it, Coolidge was just a pawn of business. But I can’t think of a time when a party just straight-up nominated a huckster.
posted by Going To Maine at 11:54 AM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]



Alternate hypothesis:


ugh I think you should say if you're going to link to Michael Moore.
posted by zutalors! at 11:54 AM on August 17, 2016 [34 favorites]


Alternate hypothesis:

yeah Michael Moore was whining last month that Trump was a lock to win so maybe we take his electoral analysis with a couple salt shakers maybe
posted by mightygodking at 11:54 AM on August 17, 2016 [39 favorites]


Donald Trump may be an outlier political candidate, but god damn it do not mention him in the same breath with Dennis Rodman, and why on on Earth is this the thing that has me angry about this debacle of an election?
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 11:54 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Michael Moore just said the other week that there was no way Clinton will beat Trump. Who gives a fuck what he knows "for a fact"?
posted by defenestration at 11:54 AM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


the simplest explanation is that he's not very good at it

Part of his appeal is that he's not a politician. OK, fine. He's not a professional at this. He's been plucked from the cabin and is flying the plane. But he doesn't know how to fly the plane. And he's waving off all instructions from anyone who does know how to fly a plane. He's going to fly the plane his way, because that's what the people want, and it's the thing he does best. Only...
posted by Capt. Renault at 11:55 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Who's Michael Moore again?
posted by My Dad at 11:55 AM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Alternate hypothesis:

Ah, Michael Moore. Now there’s a name I haven’t heard since the last thread…
posted by Going To Maine at 11:55 AM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


I think you should say if you're going to link to Michael Moore.

[Moore inside]
posted by cjelli at 11:56 AM on August 17, 2016 [82 favorites]


As a political pundit, Michael Moore is a pretty good filmmaker.
posted by tonycpsu at 11:56 AM on August 17, 2016 [15 favorites]


> In 1856 a U.S. senator beat another U.S. senator nearly to death on the senate floor over the issue of abolitionism. This is not new, and it's been worse.

Well yes but also in 1856 we were just a few years away from a massive meat-grinder of a war started by slavers willing to break up the country and then kill millions of people, all in defense of the unlimited expansion of the institution of slavery. so you know maybe not the happiest comparison to make.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 11:57 AM on August 17, 2016 [17 favorites]


Also, whenever someone says they know Trump doesn't want to win, they're positioning themselves to be one step away from saying he is a Clinton plant.

Because there is no way Clinton can win honestly and fairly, amirite?
posted by defenestration at 11:58 AM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


Alternate hypothesis:

yeah Michael Moore was whining last month that Trump was a lock to win so maybe we take his electoral analysis with a couple salt shakers maybe


Agreed, but I have enjoyed Michael Moore's work a lot in the past, so I'm going to cut him some slack. How weird must it be to be a beloved-by-some, boorish political shit-stirrer with an entertainment background for 25 years and then all the sudden find the same type of guy is the fucking Republican presidential nominee.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 11:58 AM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]


Frankly I think the undead would have more class than to associate with Trump.

Well, the brain-eating zombies would certainly leave him alone.
posted by Celsius1414 at 12:01 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Like, bringing up examples of violence on the Senate floor in advance of the civil war isn’t a great point of comparison. There have been all kinds of smears leveled throughout U.S. history against candidates, but there have also been a lot of relatively civil US elections.

Fair enough, and I mostly agree. I guess I just wanted to push back against the idea that this is the most toxic political discourse in the U.S. has ever been, since it once got so bad that we had to have an actual war (not as a result of the discourse of course, but hopefully that goes without saying).

As far as least qualified, I think Trump probably wins it in a walk, before him I would say Hoover, but it's hard to know how much of that is hindsight making Hoover look terrible in retrospect.
posted by Ragged Richard at 12:01 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


And one time he was at the beach and somebody took an unflattering photo of him? Not exactly a smoking gun, people.


Yeah, but not exactly Chief of Internal Medicine at Johns Hopkins, either.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 12:02 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


Never actually wanted to be president

Michael Moore is, to me, about as credible as Sean Hannity.
posted by spitbull at 12:02 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yeah, but not exactly Chief of Internal Medicine at Johns Hopkins, either.


Not even a member of the gastroenterology department at Lenox Hill.
posted by spitbull at 12:03 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


Unfortunately, Trump may lose the election but win a key battle in the culture war, in the sense of reinforcing radicalized and resentful activists willing to push policies that matter into municipalities and statehouses.
posted by CBrachyrhynchos at 12:03 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm worried the Trump campaign will destroy American Democracy. Trump's loser talk about how the election is going to be rigged is hugely corrosive and only going to get worse.

Bush / Gore 2000 was hugely damaging to America's confidence in elections. But the situation was resolved more or less according to the law . . . I don't see any evidence the Trump folks will be as gracious . . . It's not enough for Clinton to win; she has to win with an uncontestable landslide.



Election 2000 was, to employ a tired expression, a perfect storm of bad election luck; a electoral vote tie is bad enough, but also a recount hampered by ambiguities quite separate from the partisanship; and in the end, the actual vote count in FLA was very very close. Close enough that you could persuade yourself that maybe somebody would be able to alter or hide enough paper ballots to influence the count -- in FLA.

Right now, most electoral vote maps -- based on various combinations of public polls -- have Clinton leading Trump on the order of 2 to 1. The trend is generally in Clinton's favour.
Think about how many people are watching the numbers very very closely. If the numbers hold, if there's no great discontinuity at the last minute, it's not going to be possible to build a persuasive argument for election fraud.

There will be sore losers, certainly, but not enough to 'destroy American Democracy'.
 
posted by Herodios at 12:04 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]



Trump says he doesn't trust US intelligence agencies and won't use them if elected

Who needs the CIA when you've got master of disguise James O'Keefe


aka 'The Red Rascal'.
 
posted by Herodios at 12:04 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


The general consensus among the chattering classes (including GOP-leaning columnists) seems to be that Trump is opting to bring the whole GOP down with him in November—the "Samson Option."

Well . . . it has to be said that he's got the right hair for the job.
 
posted by Herodios at 12:05 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


As far as least qualified, I think Trump probably wins it in a walk, before him I would say Hoover

Before he was President, Hoover first organized food adminstration for the US Army during World War One then organized food distribution for ravaged postwar Europe - the work he oversaw legitimately saved millions of people from starvation. He then went home, became Secretary of Commerce under Harding, and although his politics were conservative he's generally considered to have been extremely effective in that role.

Bill Bryson once pointed out that Hoover is the only person in history for whom becoming President was definitively a bad career move.
posted by mightygodking at 12:05 PM on August 17, 2016 [57 favorites]


Unfortunately, Trump may lose the election but win a key battle in the culture war,

If you take a look at his new campaign team, he basically has a full roster for the launch of Trump TV in November. Fox News turned up to 11.
posted by My Dad at 12:05 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


The campaign appears to be missing a lot of mid level managers and those that are in place are not the best the party has to offer.

As corb noted in the last thread, the ad and comms targeting is shit, the field ops are barely-existent, the schedule still seems driven by Trump's desire to sleep in his own bed (but now also by proximity to fundraisers), and the new hires are media people with zero zilch nada ground-level campaign experience. In the meantime, Clinton and Kaine are opening field offices, signing up names at every organising event, and putting money into registration drives.
posted by holgate at 12:06 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


> to expand on your space shuttle analogy, what I think/hope will happen in November is that NASA get's out the "Okay, we're done fuckin' around now" space shuttle they keep way at the back of the hanger. It takes a lot of energy on the crew's part and everyone at NASA, including the slackers needs to bring their A-game. But if they do, the thing will fly to Mars and back without breaking a sweat and shrugs off space debris like it's not even there.

This strikes me as an extension of the analogy that privileges large-scale revolutionary change over small-scale incremental reform, and, well, large-scale revolutionary change is not something we're trying this time around.

(not to say that we necessarily should have tried for something big this time: to extend your extension of the analogy, it is possible that the super-sekrit NASA Mars-shuttle doesn't actually exist — maybe the revolution is impossible — and the best we can do is repair what we can and hunker down for the next onslaught.)
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 12:06 PM on August 17, 2016


Who needs the CIA when you've got master of disguise James O'Keefe

He's not even taking advice from O'Keefe, it's more like random commenters on the Daily Stormer and Stormfront.
posted by T.D. Strange at 12:06 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


Also, if Michael Moore knows it for the fact, why the fuck wouldn't he say why? There's a lot of "I'm not going to say this" going on there, which reeks of bullshit.

In his next documentary, will he just allude to stuff, and follow it up with a voiceover that says: "I'm not going to explain how I know this or why I believe it to be true, but just trust what I'm saying, friends. I know this for a fact."
posted by defenestration at 12:07 PM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


I think some of the election fraud messages might work out in favor of the Democrats, actually. If the election is going to be fixed, why bother to vote? And if you do vote but lose in a landslide and that confirms the fraud to you, will you want to vote in the future? Trump supporters might end up feeling totally disenfranchised and staying home from voting indefinitely.
posted by Mitrovarr at 12:07 PM on August 17, 2016


Let's Occam's Razor the fuck out of this shit. The simplest explanation is Trump wanted to run for president, appealed to enough Republican voters to win the primaries but doesn't appeal enough to anyone else to win the election.

If you look at what Republicans tend to win at the state level in primaries, there is no shortage of rabid, frothing at the mouth evil people. It stands to reason that a famous rabid, frothing at the mouth evil person running for president would be the one preferred by that group of voters.

In conclusion, Trump is for real and he is a really awful and incompetent candidate elevated to this position by mostly awful and incompetent people who has chosen to surround himself with more awful and incompetent people. Its anuses all the way down, not connected to a digestive track nor ever reaching a toilet. No new shit is created, no old shit is expelled. Shit just keeps flowing.
posted by Joey Michaels at 12:07 PM on August 17, 2016 [45 favorites]


Michael Moore grew up in Flint, MI as the middle class died with the auto industry. And water.

If he has an excessively pessimistic point-of-view, I'd say he's justified in it. I don't agree, but "Hope For The Best, Expect The Worst" was a song in The 12 Chairs, right?
posted by mikelieman at 12:08 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


Not even a member of the gastroenterology department at Lenox Hill.

why is trump's personal physician a gastroenterologist and not a proctologist
posted by murphy slaw at 12:09 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


Counterpoint: Michael Moore is a millionaire.
posted by spitbull at 12:09 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


oh god, john yoo just warned against voting for trump

sorry folks i have to vote for the yam now
posted by murphy slaw at 12:11 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


Frankly I think the undead would have more class than to associate with Trump.

The brain dead, on the other hand...
posted by y2karl at 12:12 PM on August 17, 2016


People who spout the shit Moore is spouting are basically giving Trump an out after he loses big.

"I'm no loser. Anyone with brains would know I never wanted to be president in the first place. Sad."
posted by defenestration at 12:12 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


I firmly believe Trump didn't start campaigning to become president; he started to drum up media attention and to be able to add "I ran for president!... And I would've won if it weren't for the horrible liberal media and that snake, [NAME] who got the nomination!" to his list of accomplishments.

It backfired - with a fragmented party unable to step left (or centrist) to appeal to its conservative base that isn't founded in bigotry, Trump found himself ahead - and he can't quit while he's winning. He also can't just agree that it's not working and drop out; that'd make him "a quitter." And walking off this stage is a bit more noticeable than settling lawsuits.

He doesn't want to be president. He has only a vague idea what the president does, and he damn well doesn't want the security hassles and oversight and constant negotiations that he's starting to realize the job includes. He doesn't like being insulted in public, and he maybe thought that "being awesome enough" would keep him from being a target for comedians.

But I don't believe that he's deliberately sabotaging his campaign - rather, he's decided that if he's going to take the job, it'll be on his terms, which is how he's always operated.

Expect more contradictory messages as he oscillates between "I am the awesomest candidate America has ever had" and his growing internal awareness of "this job is a nightmare; why would any sensible person put up with it?" and of course, "why are they all being so mean to me? I'm trying to help them!"
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 12:12 PM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]


> new line of business among the Trumpers
Gilded assault rifle furniture. Huuuge.
posted by morganw at 12:13 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


Let's Occam's Razor the fuck out of this shit. The simplest explanation is Trump wanted to run for president, appealed to enough Republican voters to win the primaries but doesn't appeal enough to anyone else to win the election.

Also Trump's Razor compliant.
posted by Artw at 12:14 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


Trump thinks "winning" the presidency is like being voted Prom King of the USA. He's in it for bragging rights. He's given no thought to the actual details of the job.
posted by Roommate at 12:15 PM on August 17, 2016 [34 favorites]




I think Michael Moore might be a bit of a stopped clock. I find it perfectly plausible that the Trump primary campaign began as something that no one ever intended to actually go all the way (see also: Ben Carson, Herman Caine--it's not like this is an unprecedented accusation). I also find it plausible that for Trump winning is a drug, he has no executive function and no ability to comprehend what winning in this context actually means and that all he knows is that he wants More Of The Winning. The fact that the Presidency lies at the end of that winning is lost on him because he doesn't have the attention span to hold those two thoughts in his head at the same time.

So yeah, he wants to win. But does he want to be President? I'm pretty sure he doesn't even understand what that means.
posted by soren_lorensen at 12:17 PM on August 17, 2016 [19 favorites]


No new shit is created, no old shit is expelled. Shit just keeps flowing.

Shitnado
posted by y2karl at 12:17 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Yeah I don't think "Trump doesn't actually want to be President" is really equivalent to "Trump is a Clinton plant." Trump is a conman with a confidence scheme that worked much, much better than he thought it would, and now he's good and well over his head, with no obvious face-saving way out. And since his wealth is at this point almost entirely based on his media image, loss of face could actually bankrupt him.

Perversely, contra Barnum, Trump has set himself up to go broke by underestimating the stupidity of the American public (or at least by underestimating the tendency of the Republican Party primary voters to fall hard for cheap confidence tricks).
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 12:18 PM on August 17, 2016 [33 favorites]


One assumes that Trump is going to stand up the day before the election and say something along the lines of "what the fuck is wrong with you people still supporting me? I've said just about every hateful, bigoted thing I can say and you dumb motherfuckers still want to vote for me? I even tried a speech about tolerance and pluralism to throw you an inkling I might be liberal in conservative's clothing but you still were suckers for that hate. Fuck the lot of you and your identity politics. Hillary is clearly the better choice than literal fascism but you still can't vote someone who doesn't have an R in the party column? Shame on you America. Also, Mexico isn't going to pay for a wall. A wall doesn't stop drugs. We already have a cockamamy wall and it's not stopping drugs."

It's the only thing I can think of that still makes sense.
posted by Talez at 12:18 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


Michael Moore? Ah, I remember that guy:

On February 29th (after big wins by Hillary in southern states with substantial African American population):
"Six red states on Super Tuesday irrelevant as they won't vote Democratic in November. Name should be changed to Super Low Turnout Tuesday."

On March 5th (after Bernie wins a couple of white-dominated solidly GOP states):
"Yuge! Sanders wins Kansas 68%-32%. Sanders also wins Nebraska 57%-43%. Clinton wins Louisiana. This is far from over. Don't believe the hype"
posted by Atom Eyes at 12:19 PM on August 17, 2016 [12 favorites]


PPP have mastered the art of trolling by polls. I wonder if this a) gives them useful demographic screening data; b) improves their response rates.

"Polls? Sorry, n--oh, you're PPP! I vote Harambe! I prefer 'dumpster fire' to 'garbage fire'!"
posted by holgate at 12:19 PM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]


No new shit is created, no old shit is expelled. Shit just keeps flowing.

Shitnado



Full of shit-leopards and vodka wolves.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 12:20 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


With Trump, I'm reminded of the guy who figured out the patterns on the old "Press Your Luck" game show and then couldn't figure out how to end the game because he'd just built up so many free spins and then they basically paid him to go away...
posted by AJaffe at 12:21 PM on August 17, 2016 [16 favorites]


In election podcasting news, I listened to an episode of Radio Free GOP today (look at me, crossing the aisle!) and the content was interesting but the style, dear god. It kind of highlighted for me how the media we choose to consume trains us in what to expect. I now apparently expect podcasts that have been influenced by NPR house style, not conservative talk radio house style. It was jarring and weird.
posted by soren_lorensen at 12:23 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


In the spirit of Steve Bannon's Government Accountability Institute, which I just learned about thanks to a nice link up-thread, I just spent some time taking a deep dive into the photos of Dr. Harold Bornstein, Trump's esteemed personal physician.

TL;DR: Three photos of Bornstein are known [#1, #2, #3] and all three appear, to my eye, to be genuine.

Dr. Bornstein also appears to be something of a character, but--you be the judge of that.

#1: Dr Bornstein's web site, courtesy of Archive.org: "We pride ourselves in ensuring your comfort and privacy."

Apparently the web site was working until late 2015/early 2016 when the domain name registration seems to have expired. Perhaps the good doctor is retiring and closing his practice?

The credits page lists Dr. Bornstein's professional information and also includes a photo of Bornstein that has circulated widely on various media and social media sites.

#2: The face in Bornstein's photo from his web site matches well with the face in the "Bornstein on the Beach" photo linked upthread, leading me to believe that the "Bornstein on the Beach" photo is genuine. (Though if I may opine, "Trump's Doctor Went to the Beach Once" is w-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-y down near the bottom of the list of unusual and remarkable things about Trump.)

#3: Slightly stranger is that Bornstein appears to have his own twitter account, in Italian no less, that has been described as "a weird parody account". As such, it is somewhat unclear whether it belongs to Bornstein himself or what. It only has a very few tweets, dating from 2013 and 2014, and they are all slightly strange but insubstantial.

However, the hbornst1 twitter account features yet another photo of Harold Bornstein that appears to be genuine. This appears to be a bit older, featuring a slightly younger version of Bornstein. A number of "Jacob Bornstein" credentials and certificates are hanging on the wall in the background, so presumably the photo dates from the time when father & son were sharing a practice.
posted by flug at 12:24 PM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


I think Trump and Bornstein share the same mad-genius barber.
posted by dis_integration at 12:27 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


Bornstein On The Beach is my new Philip Glass opera name.
posted by uosuaq at 12:28 PM on August 17, 2016 [27 favorites]


Bornstein on the Beach? What, the Philip Glass opera?

(although as a working title for Trump: The Musical, it has some appeal...)
posted by Devonian at 12:29 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Very interesting piece from Josh Marshall called Mapping the Trump Hate Bubble. The article examines the relationship between the Republican Presidential campaign, white supremacy, and Russian propaganda outfits on social media.
A few days ago the Trump camp started pushing the idea that Hillary Clinton was "America's Merkel", a reference to longserving German Chancellor Angela Merkel, by many measures one of the more successful European politicians of the post-war era. Trump even personally started pushing the Twitter hashtag "#AmericasMerkel. When I started seeing this my first thought was, "How many Americans do they think have even heard of Angela Merkel, let alone see her as some awful figure in a way that tying her to Clinton would send chills down people's spines?" [...]

Merkel is now a big, big deal (in a bad way) on alt-right and white supremacist websites where she's become the poster-girl for feckless politician's who are betraying the white race. Merkel led the way on pushing an generous refugee policy vis a vis the refugee crisis emerging from Syria. [...]

"Since the start of his campaign," [Fortune] found, "Donald Trump has retweeted at least 75 users who follow at least three of the top 50 #WhiteGenocide influencers. Moreover, a majority of these retweeted accounts are themselves followed by more than 100 #WhiteGenocide influencers."

Is that a big deal? Yes, that's a huge, huge big deal.

How can it possibly make sense to Trump and his top staffers to turn their campaign over to the head of the junk-right gonzo site Breitbart News? Do they think this is going to make winning more likely as opposed to striking a nail into whatever chance they have to turnaround a terrible trend? Who knows? A perfectly plausible answer that Trump is a committed white nationalist who simply wants to run this kind of campaign.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 12:30 PM on August 17, 2016 [56 favorites]


jinx. I really should learn to count to 3 before making a Philip Glass joke. Thirty five times.


(Also, my god, it's still only half-way through August.)
posted by Devonian at 12:31 PM on August 17, 2016 [15 favorites]


Trump is too skilled a businessman to go this far and be indifferent to losing. After all, a very big loss would do great damage to the Trump brand, and that brand has made him a lot of money. How big is the Trump brand? Not sure. But
Donald Trump's name shows up 3,540 times in Panama Papers
and perhaps that is another reason we are not allowed to see his tax returns.
posted by Postroad at 12:33 PM on August 17, 2016 [17 favorites]


Oh, I was wondering what the fuck that was about, should have guessed "Nazis" as the answer.
posted by Artw at 12:33 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]




I also find it plausible that for Trump winning is a drug, he has no executive function and no ability to comprehend what winning in this context actually means and that all he knows is that he wants More Of The Winning. The fact that the Presidency lies at the end of that winning is lost on him because he doesn't have the attention span to hold those two thoughts in his head at the same time.

So yeah, he wants to win. But does he want to be President? I'm pretty sure he doesn't even understand what that means.


emphasis mine. Seriously, if I could favorite this 1,000 times I would.
posted by bologna on wry at 12:38 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


How can it possibly make sense to Trump and his top staffers to turn their campaign over to the head of the junk-right gonzo site Breitbart News? Do they think this is going to make winning more likely as opposed to striking a nail into whatever chance they have to turnaround a terrible trend? Who knows? A perfectly plausible answer that Trump is a committed white nationalist who simply wants to run this kind of campaign.

This is a perfectly plausible answer. I also think its a touch of (and I can't recall the name for this) him being surrounded by people who think like him and mistaking "everyone I know thinks this way" for "a majority of humanity thinks this way." If all you're surrounded by are yes men and all you see are large cheering crowds, it probably becomes easy to think "Everyone agrees with me." Especially if you've convinced yourself that all information to the contrary is deliberate lies planted by your enemies.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't even understand what that means.

"You could fill a book - a lot of books - with things Dad doesn't know. And they have."
posted by Joey Michaels at 12:39 PM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


dersins: "By election day Trump's campaign structure will look like a fucking croissant."

"It doesn't do the job... and it makes a fucking MESS."
posted by Rhaomi at 12:39 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


T.D. Strange: He's not even taking advice from O'Keefe, it's more like random commenters on the Daily Stormer and Stormfront.

That's not "random commenters," it sounds more like a dogwhistle for white supremacists:
[Donnie] fired off two press releases that same day [August 15, 2016] calling Clinton “America’s Merkel,” and took to Twitter to warn of the dangers of #AmericasMerkel.

The line of attack “baffled” political analysts, who wondered why Trump would possibly think referencing a largely-unknown European leader Merkel would help him win votes in the United States. A Pew Study last year found that “Germany is not on the radar of many Americans,” with more than a third reporting “no opinion” of Merkel at all.

But there is at least one group of Americans well familiar with Merkel, her immigration policies, and her connections to Hillary Clinton: white supremacists.

To white nationalist communities that fervently support Trump, Merkel has been a popular villain. Sites like the Daily Stormer, the White Genocide Project, American Renaissance, and The White Resister have posted constantly about her since the Syrian refugee crisis began escalating earlier this year. They have accused her of making a “deliberate attempt to turn Germany from a majority White country into a minority White country.” They have called her a “crazy childless bitch,” “Anti-White Traitor,” and “patron saint of terrorists.” They have asked in articles about her, “Why would you allow a woman to run a country, unless you were doing it as a joke?”
Yup, that's a pivot towards broader electability ... by neo-nazi skinheads and the like. If he's courting the Ayrian people so strongly, why the love of orange skin tone?
posted by filthy light thief at 12:41 PM on August 17, 2016 [30 favorites]


Close enough that you could persuade yourself that maybe somebody would be able to alter or hide enough paper ballots to influence the count -- in FLA.

Aww, c'mon, that could only happen if George W. Bush's brother was the governor of Florida and the Florida secretary of state was co-chair of the Bush campaign. That would be sketchy.
posted by kirkaracha at 12:41 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


i'm gonna miss the onion's joe biden articles, but i just might be able to cope if we continue to get these in exchange

i've said it before and i'll say it again--the onion should keep joe biden as the unwanted houseguest who won't leave for area dad tim kaine

---

oh god, john yoo just warned against voting for trump

seriously, if even that korean-american is going against trump, that lady who was at the RNC is down to herself and my mom for Korean Trump supporters.

And I'm questioning my mom's sanity.
posted by qcubed at 12:41 PM on August 17, 2016 [14 favorites]


Bill Bryson once pointed out that Hoover is the only person in history for whom becoming President was definitively a bad career move.

Well, other than Garfield, McKinley, Lincoln, and Kennedy, surely?
posted by entropicamericana at 12:43 PM on August 17, 2016 [12 favorites]


If he's courting the Ayrian people so strongly, why the love of orange skin tone?

Because Oompa Loompas are a fictional idealized "noble savage" that happily work (while singing) for a white boss?
posted by Joey Michaels at 12:43 PM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump is too skilled a businessman...

He's a shitty businessman who's severely underperformed the S&P his entire life. He'd actually be as rich as he claims if he'd just put it in a fund. Everything he's done and said has literally cost him money.
posted by chris24 at 12:43 PM on August 17, 2016 [52 favorites]


He may not be doing a very good job at running for office, but the simplest explanation is that he's not very good at it, not that he has some double-secret backwards plans to self-promote while actively trying to lose.

Yes, but...I think it's just hard for people to believe that he's really this bad at it. I mean, I'm sure I couldn't win an election – running a successful campaign, especially on this scale, is hard. But he's doing a spectacularly awful, self-sabotaging job of it – refusing to take advice from anyone, attacking and offending every group under the sun (including his own party and their allies), saying all sorts of contradictory and nonsensical things that open him up to obvious criticism, not buying ads, campaigning in solidly blue states instead of battlegrounds, etc. If he is, in fact, campaigning, then he isn't just campaigning poorly – he's campaigning pathologically.

And it's not like he screwed up once or twice, and then learned from his mistakes – he doubles, triples, and quadruples down, even as his poll numbers plummet and his media coverage sours. It's not like he hasn't been told how to fix it – the media, and plenty of folks within his own party, have been talking for months about how strange and self-defeating his campaign tactics are, and how he desperately needs to "pivot" if he wants to win.

It's a campaign in the sense that he's been christened as his party's nominee, and will be on the ballot in November – but in every other sense, it's just an incoherent clusterfuck. It's really difficult to reconcile his behavior over the last few months with a sincere desire to win. (Unless his erratic behavior is a symptom of mental illness, Alzheimer's, or drug addiction – all of which are real possibilities, in my mind, although dementia seems the least likely.)

I'm not necessarily saying that Trump is trying to throw the election (although I certainly wonder sometimes). I'm just saying that I understand why people speculate about it.
posted by escape from the potato planet at 12:50 PM on August 17, 2016 [20 favorites]


Aww, c'mon, that could only happen if George W. Bush's brother was the governor of Florida and the Florida secretary of state was co-chair of the Bush campaign. That would be sketchy.

But even if that happened, such vote tampering happens in close margin elections. Larger manipulations raise more flags, as you'll find significant differences from exit polls to final voter tallies, and the US isn't so broken as to turn a blind eye to that. Within the margin of error though? That's doable.
posted by filthy light thief at 12:54 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


he's campaigning pathologically.

He's campaigning as himself. Everything that's so awful has always been there, it just didn't matter in the GOP primary because he appealed to their racism and that's all they cared about.

If you ever doubt the Republican Party is largely a bunch of racists and bigots, just think of this: all they had to do to have a great chance to win the presidency, keep congress and be able to repeal Obamacare, pass tax cuts, defund Planned Parenthood, etc., as well as control the Supreme Court for decades and overturn Roe v. Wade, affirmative action, gay rights, etc., was not nominate a racist, narcissistic, sociopathic buffoon. But they couldn't help but vote for the guy saying the racist, bigoted things most of them think. And now they're going to lose it all, thanks to the very people - black, brown, women, LGBT - they've been trying to keep down.
posted by chris24 at 12:54 PM on August 17, 2016 [81 favorites]


Trump can't stop making insane racist dog whistles even though he nominally wants to win the election.
Your brother-in-law can't stop going to bet on the horses even though he nominally wants to save up for a sweet Pontiac Thunderbird.

They both think they're working toward their goals despite actually moving away from them. Some people are just bad at realizing their goals in the framework of the real world.
posted by 0xFCAF at 12:54 PM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]


On the bright side, one of the many, many things that Trump has damaged with his run is the idea that under capitalism, wealth and smarts go together. We are, thanks to the orange moron, one step closer to understanding that under capitalism, wealth primarily tracks to access to a big inheritance rather than to any innate merit of the wealth-holder.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 12:54 PM on August 17, 2016 [32 favorites]


I think it's an example of Dunning-Kruger poisoning.
posted by Deoridhe at 12:55 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


To be fair to Michael Moore, at the time, he was getting his poll results from Nate Silver.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 12:58 PM on August 17, 2016


I think I've been spending too much time reading all these weird stories about the election, 'cause now the dark side of my brain is starting to wonder if Putin's interest in Trump could be more sinister. With Trump playing a useful fool, spouting off about "Crooked Hillary" and stolen elections, there could be some real damage done to the entire system here if anything would happen to him before the election. Given Putin's history, I just can't let go of my suspicion of that sort of thinking being somewhere in the realm of possibility for him. I'm not keen on conspiratorial thinking generally, so I won't expand on the notion, but wrongheaded or not it kinda troubles me.
posted by gusottertrout at 1:00 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


I'm not necessarily saying that Trump is trying to throw the election (although I certainly wonder sometimes). I'm just saying that I understand why people speculate about it.

All it takes to understand Trump is to remember that hardly anyone in his life has ever been able to tell him "no." He has assumptions about the world, and his place in it and his abilities, that result from being a narcissist who has been completely sheltered from negative consequences his whole life; brainwashed by his own wealth, if you like. And people still tiptoe! Because if they don't he fires them. Who among his staff will last very long if they tell him "that's bad, that hurts you, don't do that"? He has presumed and blustered his way to this place, helped by a media that basically eggs him on and a GOP that has abandoned all pretense of focus or discipline or ethics as "liberal" compromises of their purity.

He's an opportunistic virus of a person, bred in a swampy puddle of wealth and rampaging through the GOP's compromised immune system unopposed.
posted by emjaybee at 1:00 PM on August 17, 2016 [32 favorites]


Everything he's done and said has literally cost him money.

And building on this, even if you could convince him of it, I think he'd say fine. Because being an actual billionaire with money in a fund would not feed his ego like being a indebted millionaire on TV. The billions lost are opportunity cost for a narcissist.
posted by chris24 at 1:04 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


the dark side of my brain is starting to wonder if Putin's interest in Trump could be more sinister

I don't wonder. I am sure of it. Putin is the enemy of the U.S. and the west in every way. He has plenty of irons in the fire -- dismantling NATO and getting our missiles out of the way of further expansion into Europe, operating puppet dictatorships, creating a strong sphere of influence (including Iran and Turkey and Syria) in the middle East and excluding the U.S., disrupting our political system and trying to install another puppet dictator here, etc. Check out this Slate piece. When it comes to Putin, I think conspiracy theory is quite valid.
posted by bearwife at 1:08 PM on August 17, 2016 [12 favorites]


the "Bornstein on the Beach" photo linked upthread

Pretty sure that's Sammy Hagar.
posted by bongo_x at 1:08 PM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


How 'Real' Donald Trump And 'Public' Donald Trump Square Up | Morning Joe | MSNBC (includes Radio Free GOP's Mike Murphy)
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 1:10 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is a serious proposal (from my acting years).

The person Hillary should get to play Trump in preparation for the debate is Hillary. She could get someone else to be herself.

I think a bit of role reversal will help her learn how to skewer him. And listening to someone else play herself will add some perspective to coming up with the best answer. Besides, I think she'd have a blast.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 1:11 PM on August 17, 2016 [51 favorites]


I really don't think all the campaign failure can be placed at Donald's feet. Sure he is lousy at it but so are the rest of the Republican party.

They do well at the state level where they have gerrymandered the process into being played on Easy level for them. They step up to the national level where they have no such advantage and suddenly the game is harder. Much much harder. And the people who play on the hard setting all the time have the advantage.

Mitt Romney had an incompetent team and delusional polling despite having and spending tons of money. He had the best team the Republicans could put together and it still wasn't good. The problem is when you are ideologically anti-government you also tend to be pretty bad at organization and management.

They also essentially have a largely mercenary army of staff that are only in it for personal gain (thanks to a couple decades of Randian objectivist anti-socialization) and what counts as personal gain often conflicts with the campaigns goals. A Brietbartian in charge of the campaign? What's better for Brietbart? A Trump presidency or a Clinton presidency? Only one of those generates outrage eyeballs for a drudge clone. PACs and consultants have robbed the right's donors blind for the last few election cycles with crazy shell game contracts that make money go around in tight circles in one small office in D.C. rather than to street level campaign efforts in battleground states.

Donald is an evil clown and all but don't ignore that the entire federal level of the republican party is built on the very worst foundation possible.

If they were remotely competent they would win but if they were remotely competent they probably wouldn't still be the same republican party.
posted by srboisvert at 1:15 PM on August 17, 2016 [15 favorites]


No, no, not trying to install a fool like Trump, since that could never have seemed all that likely, more like using Trump to spread more calumny about Hillary and our system, then, well, sacrifice his pawn in a way that might seem to implicate our whole system as corrupt to those who've long believed or entertained stories of Vince Foster and so on.
posted by gusottertrout at 1:17 PM on August 17, 2016


If we are very lucky, Trump will not win and the Democrats (or progressives in general) will use that campaign as an innoculation of sorts. Trump represents the worst impulses of American politics, but crippled by an apparent inability to run a decent campaign. If anyone with his political leanings ever turns out to be competent, America is completely fucked unless progressives learn something from this whole mess.
posted by chrominance at 1:19 PM on August 17, 2016 [16 favorites]


All it takes to understand Trump is to remember that hardly anyone in his life has ever been able to tell him "no."

If I've understood his history, this is the first job in his life he's actually had to apply for - as in, convince someone to give him the job instead of handing it to someone else. He's had plenty of negotiations, for TV series and probably business mergers and the like, but those weren't "do we go with Person A or Person B?" They were "Do we accept Trump's deal, or decide it wouldn't bring us the money (etc) that we want?"

Even now - he's campaigning more against Obama and "the system" than against Hillary, and what he does aim against Hillary is personal-character attacks, because he can't wrap his head around the idea of people with a pros-and-cons grid that has his and Hillary's names at the top. It's like he doesn't think comparisons exist; it's all "is X good or bad?" (and if X is good, Y must be bad), rather than "in what ways is X better than Y?"

He's had to convince people he's awesome, that his plans are good and will make them money, that he shares their goals, etc. He's never had to convince anyone that he was the better choice.

That's why he thinks it was more impressive to beat 17 candidates than to beat 1.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 1:22 PM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


Yes, but...I think it's just hard for people to believe that he's really this bad at it.

Couldn't it just be white male privilege? Think about it: he gets practically limitless benefit of the doubt. Even we are sitting around doing our damnedest to find any excuse at all for Trump's miserable failure of campaigning. We look at Trump commit fuck-up after fuck-up after fuck-up, and rather than appeal to the well-established prior belief that "ninety percent of all people are incompetent", we insist that, no, Trump is competent, he's just competently doing something else!

Why do we insist on taking Trump's competence as an axiom? Because he's a white man. If Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama were this far behind in the polls, do you think Republicans would be wringing their hands wondering what their real game is?

tl;dr: Calling Trump incompetent is a radical act.
posted by J.K. Seazer at 1:34 PM on August 17, 2016 [69 favorites]


Couldn't it just be white male privilege?

That's a good notion, and I'm sure it's partly responsible, but we liberals also have a long, established history of perpetual panic and an unmatched skill at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
posted by Faint of Butt at 1:38 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


An alternative explanation to "Trump wants to win" is "Trump is a contrarian ideologue." Similar to how third-party candidates rarely give a damn about electability as long as they get a microphone.

The downside to this is that Trump's actual ideology is incoherence piled onto an alt-right incoherence. He's not even Nader, much less Debs or Roosevelt.
posted by CBrachyrhynchos at 1:40 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


and reports are that accounts of his being purportedly "managed" is what led to Paul Manafort's ouster.

In other words, an acknowledgment by those near Trump that Trump has weaknesses is what enraged him, leading to a probable exacerbation of his weaknesses

You fucking incompetent loser, Donald J. Trump. Can we get a tweet storm going at him to that effect?
posted by angrycat at 1:41 PM on August 17, 2016 [9 favorites]


"...hardly anyone in his life has ever been able to tell him 'no.'"
"he gets practically limitless benefit of the doubt"
I'm probably going to say this really clumsily, but here goes anyway. Donald Trump seems to be in a position similar to Michael Jackson's toward the end of his life. Too much money or "money" and too much fame and nobody on Earth willing and able to talk sense to them and prevent them from doing and saying whatever occurs to them. I really think what's happened to him is probably inevitable to some degree for a lot of people and maybe even most people who get up this high. People who are constantly indulged and protected from disappointment must all to some degree lose touch with reality. This situation must be essentially similar to its counterpart on the other end of the continuum, namely solitary confinement. Both states of being leave you with no way of checking that your ideas are real. It always seems to end badly: they always suffer in the end. In this case, given that the spoiledcrazy person in question wants to be president and has a relationship with truth and morality like that of a two-year-old child, his suffering when he finally runs full tilt into the wall of real life will be all of ours, too.

He's reading the wrong fable, that snake thing? He should be reading The Fisherman's Wife.
posted by Don Pepino at 1:43 PM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]


MUST SEE: Photos of Hillary Clinton Propped Up on Pillows

This is one of the top links on Drudge right now. Comfy!
posted by acidic at 1:52 PM on August 17, 2016 [19 favorites]


pillowgate will be her undoing
posted by a mirror and an encyclopedia at 1:54 PM on August 17, 2016 [16 favorites]


A woman a few years younger than my mother (but apparently in better health) needs ergonomic seating. Such a scandal.
posted by CBrachyrhynchos at 1:55 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


Okay, I am still behind on all the election threads (including this one, which I will read tonight), so I'm sorry if this has already been discussed, but I am getting increasingly worried about a Trump victory. And I have been one of the more relaxed people about this all along - always believing that he can't overcome his deficit in pretty much every demographic except a specific white male demographic and thinking he'd probably put his foot in his mouth anyway (he's been living up to expectations there) and ruin his chances.

But I've seen a few comments on my facebook feed recently that make me think that he still has more support than we give him credit for. I think that (at least in my circles) anyone who supports him knows there's kind of a stigma associated with it now, as the general populace has become more and more appalled by what he's doing and saying. They've kind of started to just keep their support to themselves. It makes me worry that there are a lot of supporters out there who won't say so but will vote for him in November. I mean, he's been outrageous this entire time and I feel like anyone who supported him initially but was open to having their mind changed would have turned away months ago.

I may be totally off base with this - like I said, I'm behind on my election coverage reading - but I've been thinking about it as I've seen some people I know (who seem otherwise reasonable) say nice things about Trump. These are the type of people that I thought would have been turned off with some of the garbage that he's doing and saying, but no, they're still true believers.
posted by triggerfinger at 1:57 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


MUST SEE: Photos of Hillary Clinton Propped Up on Pillows

DON'T READ THE COMMENTS DON'T READ THE COMMENTS
posted by joyceanmachine at 1:57 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


nobody tell them about fdr okay
posted by entropicamericana at 1:58 PM on August 17, 2016 [24 favorites]


Just more evidence that Shillary is in the clutches of Big Pillow.
posted by Justinian at 1:59 PM on August 17, 2016 [20 favorites]


I bet Crooked Hillary even has pillows under her head when she gets her 7-8 hours of sleep a night. Sad!
posted by asteria at 2:00 PM on August 17, 2016 [38 favorites]


There is a direct coloration between people who unironically use arrows to point to things in pictures and belief in lizard people.
posted by Tevin at 2:00 PM on August 17, 2016 [21 favorites]


Have we started a countdown for when Trump leaks the contents of his security briefing?
posted by Dashy at 2:00 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


Crooked Pillowry
posted by kirkaracha at 2:01 PM on August 17, 2016 [26 favorites]


Have we started a countdown for when Trump leaks the contents of his security briefing?

I've actually wondered for a while if Trump would be deliberately fed false information just to test his ability to not leak it.
posted by Faint of Butt at 2:02 PM on August 17, 2016 [18 favorites]


Even the pillow sham is a sham! (literally)
posted by a lungful of dragon at 2:02 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


Breaking News: Short person uses pillow to brace back while sitting in chair.
posted by humanfont at 2:04 PM on August 17, 2016 [14 favorites]


If it is the case that Trunp supporters become reverse Bradley-effect voters who keep their choice to themselves and lie to pollsters and secretly pull the lever for the racist (which I believe will be the case with at least some of his voters), then he is losing this thing. It's counterintuitive but it means he's continuing to act in the shameful ways that have cost him educated republican voters.

We are at a tipping point in American history that's gone less remarked than it deserves: a presidential campaign cannot count on a majority of voters even being secretly just outright racist as a first principle in all but the former confederate states. And even then, Virginia, N Carolina and Georgia are slipping away.
posted by spitbull at 2:04 PM on August 17, 2016 [9 favorites]


MUST SEE: Photos of Hillary Clinton Propped Up on Pillows

My favorite (?) thing about that is the GIANT ARROWS pointing to the pillows Clinton uses, which are very awkwardly drawn to point away from ALL OF THE OTHER PILLOWS PEOPLE ARE USING IN NEARLY EVERY ONE OF THOSE PHOTOS. Did someone start drawing an arrow to maximum arrow-ness, then realize it drew too much attention to the other pillows in those photos, think better of it, hit ctrl-z, and think about where to put their arrow so as to minimize the chance of someone noticing that Clinton is using pillows because she's sitting on a couch that is covered with pillows BECAUSE IT IS A COUCH. That is how you use couches. That is what pillows are for.

A real scandal would be if she was using pillows incorrectly, like if she wanted to replace all of Americas actual forts with pillow forts to 'soften America's image abroad.'

But no, she is somehow sitting incorrectly by using pillows as they were designed to be used.
posted by cjelli at 2:05 PM on August 17, 2016 [22 favorites]


What the fuck are the pillows supposed to be evidence of?
posted by defenestration at 2:07 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


REMEMBER HOW SCALIA DIED.
posted by Artw at 2:07 PM on August 17, 2016 [45 favorites]


I believe they found the egg that held the needle that was his phylactery and broke it, right?
posted by griphus at 2:08 PM on August 17, 2016 [22 favorites]


But I've seen a few comments on my facebook feed recently that make me think that he still has more support than we give him credit for.

There’s No Evidence Of The ‘Bradley Effect’ In Trump Polls
posted by chris24 at 2:10 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


I am getting increasingly worried about a Trump victory.

Hillary Clinton has an 88% chance of winning the presidency. The Real Key in the Electoral College: "Clinton is ahead by at least 10 points in states which are alone enough to win her the presidency."

It makes me worry that there are a lot of supporters out there who won't say so but will vote for him in November.

No, Voters Aren’t Secretly Pining for Donald Trump:
... if Trump’s poll numbers were suffering from voter embarrassment, we probably would have seen it already. But Trump did not reliably outperform the polls in actual voting during the Republican primaries.
posted by kirkaracha at 2:10 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


REMEMBER HOW SCALIA DIED.

True fact: Pillow mints kill!
posted by a lungful of dragon at 2:12 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


a query: why do they give the security briefing prior to the election? I guess I'm proud of my country that Trump's turd tornado of a candidacy is historically bad, but hasn't somebody prior to this been like *wait we could have a batshitinsane person one of these days* maybe let's save the super secret info about alien contact or whatever until the person actually has the keys to the car
posted by angrycat at 2:12 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


What the fuck are the pillows supposed to be evidence of?

Those aren't pillows!
posted by kirkaracha at 2:12 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


One thing that I suddenly remembered from my annually required compliance training at the bank where I work. Employers can absolutely discriminate on the basis of political affiliation.

It's included as one of the multiple choice options that seems like it might be correct but isn't. The more cynical side of me thinks it might also be a subtle way for my employer to remind me that having political views that directly oppose those of my company can grounds for termination. But it also means that I can fire people for being racist.

But so long as it stay relegated specifically to Trump, it might not be terrible if supporting Trump makes it more difficult for people to get hired. I'm not sure that's a can of worms I want to open, but I'm not sure it's one I want to leave closed either.
posted by VTX at 2:13 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


a query: why do they give the security briefing prior to the election? I guess I'm proud of my country that Trump's turd tornado of a candidacy is historically bad, but hasn't somebody prior to this been like *wait we could have a batshitinsane person one of these days* maybe let's save the super secret info about alien contact or whatever until the person actually has the keys to the car

Truman started the tradition in 1952 after he suddenly became President and had no awareness of the Manhattan Project, among other important things he suddenly needed to concern himself with:
Priess says by 1952, Truman had made up his mind that his successor should assume the Oval Office better prepared than he had been, so he offered classified briefings to each of the nominees, a tradition that's held ever since. Not everyone accepts the offer. Walter Mondale turned it down in 1984 before losing in a landslide to Ronald Reagan.
posted by zachlipton at 2:15 PM on August 17, 2016 [16 favorites]


Angrycat: Maddow covered it very thoroughly last night, but tl,dr, Truman was pissed that no one told him about the bomb until 12 days into his presidency.

(Or what zachlipton said)
posted by Sophie1 at 2:17 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


a query: why do they give the security briefing prior to the election?

It's not like an open book of every dirty secret in US history. It's information about events that have potential to affect national security and that the candidate needs stay up to speed on in the event that there is a national security crisis on inauguration day.

It's important that the Commander-in-Chief be able to hit the ground running as it relates to national security and the briefings are one of the things that enable that.
posted by VTX at 2:17 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


What the fuck are the pillows supposed to be evidence of?

The implication seems to be that she's lazy or in poor health, or that she's an over-privileged elitist who can't just sit in a chair like NORMAL people - she's gotta have extra-special "make life easy on me" cushions even in the most casual of settings.

Nevermind that none of those settings are actually casual, and that most chairs and couches are designed for the "comfort" of people who are 6' tall. (I am 5'2" tall. Chairs are always too tall and too deep; I would be more comfortable in most toddler-sized chairs if they could take adult weight.)

So, um, yeah, the news here is "Spry grandmother prefers to sit in comfort and has the clout to demand that when she's giving public presentations."
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 2:19 PM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]


And now it's time for President Hillary Clinton's weekly podcast

White House Pillow Talk.

"The State of the Union is .....fluffy!"
posted by srboisvert at 2:21 PM on August 17, 2016 [12 favorites]


"I've just heard from top security experts, top security men, that Russia is running a Manchurian Candidate! Obama is allowing that! Crooked Hillary is allowing that!"
posted by Artw at 2:21 PM on August 17, 2016 [55 favorites]


See, I don't think there'd be much of a Bradley effect in a Republican primary context. Even the reverse would seem more likely -- especially among women who tell their male friends they're for Trump but vote otherwise (picture the white office staff of a medium sized lumber business in Alabama).

But I suspect in the general it's gonna be different for the same reasons Trump is sliding in the polls. He doesn't dog whistle, he shrieks ugly and inappropriate racist and misogynist hyena calls. Among educated suburban republicans he is becoming more and more embarrassing and toxic.

But some of those people are racist beneath the surface and I could see them voting Trump in the anonymous privacy of the booth.

These are people who laugh at the joke "what's the first line of any racist joke" - to which the answer is a furtive glance around to see who might be listening first.
posted by spitbull at 2:23 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


what if you have to have a secret summit with the Final Boss of Terrorism and there are no pillows in the secret meeting place and because you don't have proper lumbar support you are distracted and you accidentally surrender the eastern seaboard to Terrorstan
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:23 PM on August 17, 2016 [17 favorites]


Maddow covered it very thoroughly last night

Isn't everyone doing the homework?

(kidding) [fake, this election has no homework]
posted by zutalors! at 2:23 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]




The Upshot currently lists Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Missouri, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina as the most competitive states. Some scenarios:

If Clinton only wins Florida and Trump wins the rest, she wins.
If Clinton only wins Ohio, she wins.
If Clinton only wins Pennsylvania, she wins.
If Clinton wins North Carolina and Iowa and Trump wins the rest, she wins.
If Clinton wins North Carolina and Nevada, she wins.
posted by kirkaracha at 2:25 PM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


Seriously though, who among us could resist Big Pillow?
posted by srboisvert at 2:26 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


You know how you start a new job and like the first three months is full of stuff like figuring out where the tissues are when your box runs out, or that this particular group of people always goes to lunch on Thursdays, or what the hell is going on with our relations with North Korea?

Yeah, I don't want a president to start this particular job playing catch-up, even if I'm a little nervous about the idea of Trump getting these briefings. This is not like trying to figure out where the timesheets are on the network drive.
posted by Sequence at 2:27 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


Terrorstan

Terrorstan is the birthplace pillows. [might be fake i am not sure]
posted by srboisvert at 2:27 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


MUST SEE: Photos of Hillary Clinton Propped Up on Pillows

I have seen some seriously, deeply stupid shit in my 25 years of internet life and 45 years of life life.

This thing here is a legit contender for the title of stupidest shit I have ever seen.
posted by dersins at 2:29 PM on August 17, 2016 [81 favorites]


> Truman started the tradition in 1952 after he suddenly became President and had no awareness of the Manhattan Project, among other important things he suddenly needed to concern himself with:

I was just reading about this in Six Months in 1945: FDR, Stalin, Churchill, and Truman--from World War to Cold War, which was a pretty good book and really did a great job of showing how much personality and character impact world politics at that high level.
posted by The Card Cheat at 2:29 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


Criticizing the use of throw pillows is how you earn the female vote. [so very false]
posted by srboisvert at 2:29 PM on August 17, 2016 [9 favorites]


Amazing exchange on CNN.

"You guys are down"
"Says who?"
"... polls? Most of them? All of them?"
posted by Aznable at 2:29 PM on August 17, 2016 [102 favorites]




I think a bit of role reversal will help her learn how to skewer him.

I love imagining the rise she could get out of him by the careful application of gendered insults. "No need to be so shrill, Donald, you have a microphone." "Well, that seemed a bit hysterical, but let me say..."
posted by solotoro at 2:32 PM on August 17, 2016 [16 favorites]


Pillowgate is just what Trump needs to beat the stuffing out of her! I'll bet she'll be "down" in the polls!
posted by under_petticoat_rule at 2:34 PM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


That bloomberg article really is scary. The part that really got me:

To this end, Hall peppers his colleagues with slogans so familiar around the office that they’re known by their abbreviations. “ABBN — always be breaking news,” he says. Another slogan is “depth beats speed.” Time-strapped reporters squeezed for copy will gratefully accept original, fact-based research because most of what they’re inundated with is garbage. “The modern economics of the newsroom don’t support big investigative reporting staffs,” says Bannon. “You wouldn’t get a Watergate, a Pentagon Papers today, because nobody can afford to let a reporter spend seven months on a story. We can. We’re working as a support function.”

The reason GAI does this is because it’s the secret to how conservatives can hack the mainstream media. Hall has distilled this, too, into a slogan: “Anchor left, pivot right.” It means that “weaponizing” a story onto the front page of the New York Times (“the Left”) is infinitely more valuable than publishing it on Breitbart.com. “We don’t look at the mainstream media as enemies because we don’t want our work to be trapped in the conservative ecosystem,” says Hall. “We live and die by the media. Every time we’re launching a book, I’ll build a battle map that literally breaks down by category every headline we’re going to place, every op-ed Peter’s going to publish. Some of it is a wish list. But it usually gets done.”

posted by bukvich at 2:34 PM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]



I love imagining the rise she could get out of him by the careful application of gendered insults. "No need to be so shrill, Donald, you have a microphone." "Well, that seemed a bit hysterical, but let me say..."


I hope she keeps it as wonky as possible.
posted by zutalors! at 2:34 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


What I don't really grok is why the briefings have to start now that there are still two candidates and not, you know, the day after the election. It would still be plenty of time before the Inauguration and seems less risky from a national security perspective.
posted by lydhre at 2:35 PM on August 17, 2016 [22 favorites]


That Michael Cohen ("special counsel to Mister Trump" lol) is almost as Mafioso in mien as Manafort himself.

That was an amazing exchange. You're down. Says who? The polls. Long silence. You're down. Says who? The polls! Which ones? All of them! Silence.

At some point will one of these so-called journalists say "that's it, interview over, you're not coming back on the air until you answer a question by at least entertaining the premise that we live in a shared objective fucking reality."

I mean, anyone?
posted by spitbull at 2:36 PM on August 17, 2016 [47 favorites]


Pillowghazi, surely
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:36 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


The pillow thing is them trying to "don't you think she looks tired?" her.
posted by Ragged Richard at 2:38 PM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


> Amazing exchange on CNN.

I didn't find that funny at all. Look at how angry that guy was at having his worldview - which is clearly based on erroneous information, or cognitive dissonance, or both - challenged, and at how hard he was biting down on his anger. I would bet you ten bucks he was imagining himself punching that woman in the face during that exchange. And this isn't some dude on the street, it's someone working on Trump's campaign at the highest levels.
posted by The Card Cheat at 2:38 PM on August 17, 2016 [9 favorites]


Oh it wasn't funny in the slightest. Dude is an outright thug.
posted by spitbull at 2:40 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


On the subject of silly "Trump is a Clinton cat's paw" conspiracy theories, a friend of mine posted this to his facebook a few days ago:
An imagined Clinton/Trump conspiracy gone awry would be a great screenplay: Clinton hires Trump to run for office, the deal is that he just gets to promote himself and then after he secures the nomination, he acts like a heel until he crosses the line and becomes unelectable. In exchange, they throw a few million dollars his way - he just has to play his part and promise to not divulge his tax returns.

After he successfully gets the nomination, he starts ramping up the crazy but it's not working, people are eating it up. He's panicking, starting to worry that to avoid having a serious shot at becoming president, he'll have to do more damage to his image than the deal could ever be worth. Clinton's realizing that mobilizing the white nationalist right might not have been a great move.

It ends with them turning on each other and wrestling on live television during the last debate; Clinton pulls Trump's hair piece off, stuffs it down his throat, and brutally fights off the secret service as he chokes out. She emerges from the melee with a bloody, victorious smile, slowly realizing on camera that killing her opponent and erstwhile co-conspiratory doesn't win her the election. Jill Stein becomes president, the closing scene is her in the oval office making a late night overseas call, "Agent Zero reporting for orders" in perfect Russian.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 2:41 PM on August 17, 2016 [30 favorites]


At some point will one of these so-called journalists say "that's it, interview over, you're not coming back on the air until you answer a question by at least entertaining the premise that we live in a shared objective fucking reality."

SEZ HOO!?
posted by leotrotsky at 2:43 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


I like the image of stoned Gary Johnson fucking up Putin's carefully laid plans and winning by accident amidst the carnage.
posted by spitbull at 2:44 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


What I don't really grok is why the briefings have to start now that there are still two candidates and not, you know, the day after the election. It would still be plenty of time before the Inauguration and seems less risky from a national security perspective.

That's only plenty of time if you are as smart as Scott Adams.
posted by srboisvert at 2:45 PM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


>> At some point will one of these so-called journalists say "that's it, interview over, you're not coming back on the air until you answer a question by at least entertaining the premise that we live in a shared objective fucking reality."

> SEZ HOO!?


One of the really remarkable things about this election is that it's forcing us to finally admit that epistemology is a political issue.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 2:46 PM on August 17, 2016 [34 favorites]


> Amazing exchange on CNN.

I spent a minute wondering how he could have possibly imagined that going, before realizing challenging basic facts was probably basically an autonomic function rather than a considered decision.
posted by aubilenon at 2:46 PM on August 17, 2016 [15 favorites]


after-the-credits bonus scene: Mitt Romney and Evan McMullin hanging out in a McDonalds parking lot, eating McMuffins. "Co-presidents of Utah?" Mitt suggests. They fist-bump.
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:47 PM on August 17, 2016 [23 favorites]


SEZ HOO!?

Thomas M. Cooley Law School must be just delighted by the free advertising they are getting.

NO SUCH THING AS BAD PUBLICITY!
posted by srboisvert at 2:47 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


anyway, these days no one really thinks there's a shared objective fucking reality. The best we can really do is argue that we have a shared intersubjective fucking reality.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 2:48 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


The pillow thing is them trying to "don't you think she looks tired?" her.

10 could really be a dick, sometimes. "I'm so mad at you for killing the aliens who tried to enslave the earth because 'they were leaving' so I'm going to gaslight you into getting fired."

Where the hell do you think the Sycorax were going 10? On holiday?!
posted by leotrotsky at 2:49 PM on August 17, 2016 [12 favorites]


Amazing exchange on CNN.

I didn't find that funny at all. Look at how angry that guy was at having his worldview - which is clearly based on erroneous information, or cognitive dissonance, or both - challenged, and at how hard he was biting down on his anger.


I laughed out loud. Humor is subjective, you're explanation for why it wasn't funny is mine for why it is. But really, what I saw was a smackdown delivered, properly.
posted by bongo_x at 2:49 PM on August 17, 2016 [19 favorites]


To paraphrase a bit, objective reality believes in us.
posted by spitbull at 2:49 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


MUST SEE: Photos of Hillary Clinton Propped Up on Pillows

MUST SEE: Photos of Hillary Clinton Supported by Floors
MUST SEE: Photos of Hillary Clinton Holding Up Hair with Her Head
MUST SEE: Photos of Hillary Clinton Using Special "Moving" Stairs
MUST SEE: Photos of Hillary Clinton Resting Papers on Special Raised Platform
MUST SEE: Photos of Hillary Clinton Conveyed by Horseless Carriage
MUST SEE: Photos of Hillary Clinton Using Written Symbols to Communicate Thoughts, Ideas.
posted by PlusDistance at 2:50 PM on August 17, 2016 [80 favorites]


The best we can really do is argue that we have a shared intersubjective fucking reality.

Speak for yourself. I am aiming for shared inter-subjective reality fucking.

It's not even 5pm and I am drunk with pillows.
posted by srboisvert at 2:50 PM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm propped on a pillow at this very moment. I didn't realize I was playing "Hillary Clinton: The Home Game," so thanks for making me feel that bit closer to the candidate.
posted by zachlipton at 2:52 PM on August 17, 2016 [47 favorites]


I bet she's got like dozens of stuffed animals on her bed and she makes Bill learn all their names
posted by thelonius at 2:53 PM on August 17, 2016 [29 favorites]


> Speak for yourself. I am aiming for shared inter-subjective reality fucking.

You are R.U. Sirius and I claim my five pounds.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 2:55 PM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


Seth Masket at 538: How A Trump Debacle Could Affect The House And State Legislatures:
For one, congressional and state legislative seat shares track each other closely — a finding reported in political scientist Steven Rogers’ research. This is consistent with the idea that voters don’t know much about their state legislative candidates and largely vote the party line — they make a decision about their congressional candidate and then tend to vote accordingly down the ballot.

Another trend we see is that presidential results do not map perfectly onto the shifts in state legislative seats. Yes, when a party wins a presidential race, it tends to win legislative seats. But the president’s coattails aren’t necessarily very long. Presidents Dwight Eisenhower (in 1956), Richard Nixon (1972) and Ronald Reagan (1984) won with substantial re-election margins but weren’t able to bring many congressional or state legislative seats with them. On the other hand, Lyndon Johnson’s 1964 presidential landslide came alongside many Democratic pickups, and the unpopular Jimmy Carter brought many legislators and House members down with him in 1980.
posted by palindromic at 2:56 PM on August 17, 2016


Yeah, I didn't know my need for lumbar support made me presidential, but after I get out of this recliner I'mma go sign some bills into law and maybe deploy the military somewhere. [fake. This comfy chair is not a recliner.]
posted by Cookiebastard at 2:56 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


That pillow article is obviously ridiculous and deserving of scorn. What's not funny is that it showed up in my Google Now list of "Stories to Read" about the election.
posted by zakur at 2:56 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


God. With that Trump satire I mentioned up thread, like the very fucking first thing I wrote down was,

"Like the Producers? Too obvious"

GODDAMMIT.
posted by schadenfrau at 2:56 PM on August 17, 2016


One of the really remarkable things about this election is that it's forcing us to finally admit that epistemology is a political issue.

CLINTON: ...which creates difficulties, as David Hume argues, "That the sun will not rise tomorrow is no less intelligible a proposition, and implies no more contradiction, than the affirmation, that it will rise."

TRUMP: SEZ HOO?

CLINTON: Are you serious? I just ...I just told you that a moment ago.

TRUMP: (Frowning intensifies)
posted by leotrotsky at 2:56 PM on August 17, 2016 [45 favorites]


REMEMBER HOW SCALIA DIED.


Auto-erotic asphyxiation?
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 2:58 PM on August 17, 2016 [12 favorites]


CLINTON: ...which creates difficulties, as David Hume argues, "That the sun will not rise tomorrow is no less intelligible a proposition, and implies no more contradiction, than the affirmation, that it will rise."

TRUMP: SEZ HOO?

CLINTON: Are you serious? I just ...I just told you that a moment ago.

TRUMP: (Frowning intensifies)
okay I just legit loled.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 2:58 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


For the sake of MetaFilter unity, I'm not going to just incredulously drop "Polls? Most of them? All of them?" after somebody makes a comment that I can't believe. But it's a very tempting idea.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 2:58 PM on August 17, 2016 [13 favorites]


Ask people flooded out in Lousiana or burned out in California or paying an AC bill in New York if they believe in the objective reality that this July was the hottest month in the global history of temperature records. Because it is busy believing in them.
[real]
posted by spitbull at 3:02 PM on August 17, 2016 [19 favorites]


re: Security Briefings and Trump

OK, buckle up again and apologies in advance.

They should give Trump accurate information and not worry about it.

Trump has a reputation of just making shit up. His statements thus far have been 55% false. Indeed, anytime he opens his mouth its impossible to immediately know if anything he says is truth or a lie without fact checking. Sometimes, his statements aren't just misrepresentations but out and out flights of fancy - like stuff that nobody else believes, maybe not even Trump believes it.

He also doesn't seem to have any internal editor so its entirely possible that he'll let slip some vital piece of information without intending to do so.

He's also a self-promoting piece of shit who likes to be important, so its entirely possible that he'll hint at some big important secret he knows (or out and out spills it) just to feel more important.

But, as I said, he's also a huge liar. Its possible that he'll make shit up that is not part of the security briefing and state that so he can feel important, manipulate/scare potential voters or just because in the Wonderful Land up Trump (tm) a magic (vodka) goat told him to share it.

Naturally, we don't want state secrets being blurted out in public, but Trump is very possibly going to blurt. He will blurt long, he will blurt hard. Blurting will happen.

So, if he blurts out a genuine true piece of secret information, just the fact that he said it will call that piece's of information's veracity into doubt. Is it really something he heard? Is it something he invented? Only the folks who gave him his briefing will know for sure and if they take action, they'll immediately be confirming that it is true, which is arguably worse than just letting it float out there as more word poo from Trump's face anus.

Yes, it might also be giving information out to our country's foes, but they also won't know if its true or false. Maybe it causes an international situation, maybe everyone just goes "That's our Trump!" and pretends its not true.

Now, if you give him a false piece of information, the exact same process occurs. The only bonuses are the intelligence community becomes convinced they can't trust him. I imagine they don't need any extra proof to demonstrate this. Furthermore, you risk turning a lie designed to trip up Trump into a genuine situation. Like, let's say you lie to him and say "Canada is planning to invade" and he shares that out. Now you have Canada going "wait, we never said that" and where you didn't have a problem with Canada before, maybe you have one now. Or maybe they just say "That's our Trump!" and move on.

Furthermore, if you lie to him and it gets out that you lied to him, there's more evidence that the intelligence community isn't to be trusted and the world is conspiring against Trump. Why give him more ammunition?

So, long story short, Trump's history of lying might actually mean he's somewhat safer with state secrets than one might expect of a person who can't keep a secret because nobody will believe him.

He's basically the candidate who cries (vodka) wolf. At some point you realize there is never going to be wolf nor vodka at the door.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:02 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


What are those pillows stuffed with? Baby seals? Poisoned cotton candy? Miniature Guatemalans? We don't know! The scandals just go on and on.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 3:03 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm propped on a pillow at this very moment. I didn't realize I was playing "Hillary Clinton: The Home Game," so thanks for making me feel that bit closer to the candidate.

The conspiracy deepens..
posted by cjelli at 3:03 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


Have we started a countdown for when Trump leaks the contents of his security briefing?

My instinctual answer to this was he would leak during his next rally, which is tomorrow. But then, logically, I need to rethink this based on Trump's Razor: what would the stupidest answer be?

1. He'll leak before the end of the day. Probably on Twitter.
2. It will be fake intel provided to him so that he doesn't leak real intel.
3. The fake "intel" he leaks will be, at most, 75% correct. It will come out that Trump got it wrong and wasn't paying attention during the briefing.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 3:04 PM on August 17, 2016 [13 favorites]


I laughed out loud.

My wife, who works in polling, snorted.
posted by waitingtoderail at 3:06 PM on August 17, 2016


Speaking seriously: I'll bet the pillows help her sit comfortably in her bulletproof vest.
posted by maryr at 3:09 PM on August 17, 2016 [29 favorites]


or that she's an over-privileged elitist who can't just sit in a chair like NORMAL people

"Let Van from his coolers of silver drink wine,
And lounge on his cushioned settee,
Our man on a buckeye bench can recline,
Content with hard cider is he."

"The Log Cabin Song," sung by Harrison supporters about Martin Van Buren during the election of 1840. Interestingly, Van Buren a short man, was also mocked as "Little Van." (Tho, "Van Van is a used up man" is my favorite.)

Nothing ever changes.
posted by octobersurprise at 3:09 PM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


i get where Truman was coming from
but imagine if Trump succeeded FDR and he learned about the bomb
I mean I kind of don't think we would be around discussing this
posted by angrycat at 3:11 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


If Trump had succeeded FDR, one hopes they wouldn't have told him.
posted by maryr at 3:12 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Giuliani declares Trump's stump speech on Tuesday ‘the best speech that any Republican has ever given.’ [real]
posted by zakur at 3:17 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


What are those pillows stuffed with? Baby seals? Poisoned cotton candy? Miniature Guatemalans? We don't know! The scandals just go on and on.

THE ALIEN CYBORG THAT CONTROLS HER THOUGHTS AND MOVEMENTS LIKE SOME KIND OF PUPPET

OH MY GOD IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW
posted by indubitable at 3:18 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


If Trump had succeeded FDR...
"You say we should drop them on Hiroshima and, what's that, Teriyaki? Nah, drop 'em straight on downtown Tokyo, it'll teach 'em a lesson. And one of Berlin too... I know they already surrendered but, dayum they deserve it. And it'll squelch those rumors that my grandfather was German."
posted by oneswellfoop at 3:18 PM on August 17, 2016


Vanity Fair sees PillowArrowGate, counters with MUST SEE: PHOTOS OF DONALD TRUMP RESTING ON LECTERNS.

It's got arrows, you guys.
posted by maryr at 3:19 PM on August 17, 2016 [51 favorites]


"The Log Cabin Song," sung by Harrison supporters about Martin Van Buren during the election of 1840. Interestingly, Van Buren a short man, was also mocked as "Little Van." (Tho, "Van Van is a used up man" is my favorite.)

There were a bunch of really ugly campaign songs about Van Buren. One went "Who rules us with an iron rod? Who moves at Satan's beck and nod? Who heeds not man, who heeds not God? Van Buren." (mp3).

So even the Lucifer stuff is incredibly unoriginal.

Those interested can check out Sing Along With Millard Fillmore: The Life Album of Presidential Campaign Songs, my crappy digital transfer of the 1964 magazine subscription promotional vinyl.
posted by zachlipton at 3:19 PM on August 17, 2016 [26 favorites]


Harrison was certainly a man who went to genuine lengths to prove how tough he was, no argument there.

He should be reading The Fisherman's Wife.

A Grimm fairy tale was not what I thought you were suggesting for a minute there. I've had too much internet.
posted by Countess Elena at 3:20 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


Giuliani declares Trump's stump speech on Tuesday ‘the best speech that any Republican has ever given.’ [real]

I hear the Gettysburg Address was terrible. That or he's come to terms that the Republican Party is no longer the party of Lincoln.
posted by Talez at 3:21 PM on August 17, 2016 [15 favorites]


This just in, Guliani has the historical recollection of a goldfish [fake-ish]
posted by mrzarquon at 3:22 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


"The Log Cabin Song," sung by Harrison supporters

I immediately thought of another Harrison and pondered "I knew John and Paul didn't get along, but I thought George was cool..."
posted by oneswellfoop at 3:22 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


HE FORGOT.
posted by maryr at 3:23 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Rudy is the Dory of campaign 2016.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:24 PM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


Also, his doctor letter says he has no history using alcohol or tobacco. So how does he know Trump Vodka is the best?!?
posted by under_petticoat_rule at 11:44 AM on August 17 [4 favorites +] [!]


HIS NAME IS ON IT!!!! [true]
posted by Golem XIV at 3:27 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Just. Keep. Yelling!
posted by leotrotsky at 3:28 PM on August 17, 2016


He should be reading The Fisherman's Wife.

A Grimm fairy tale was not what I thought you were suggesting for a minute there. I've had too much internet.
posted by Countess Elena at 6:20 PM on August 17 [1 favorite −] [!]


So ... should we be tweeting octopuses at Trump?
posted by McCoy Pauley at 3:28 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump Jr. shitting on Trump's CNN surrogates on Hannity's radio show.

This is the campaign that just keeps giving.
posted by Talez at 3:31 PM on August 17, 2016 [16 favorites]


Trump Jr. shitting on Trump's CNN surrogates on Hannity's radio show.

Just as I thought I could even again, and now I can't.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:36 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


Trump Jr. shitting on Trump's CNN surrogates on Hannity's radio show.

[figuratively]
posted by prize bull octorok at 3:37 PM on August 17, 2016 [67 favorites]


For those worried about shy Trumpers not admitting to pollsters their true voting intentions, the Economist (I think) said a couple of weeks ago that there was little evidence for this but the chances were that there could be a significant cadre of shy Hillary supporters among women in deep red country. Which I find much more plausible, given the evidence of some anger issues among some male Trump supporters.

I suppose the chances are less of that being significant over shy Trumpers in swing states, but even in those the distribution of red to blue is not homogeneous.
posted by Devonian at 3:40 PM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


I certainly don't recall learning about the overwhelming civility of the American political process in history class and nothing I've read since has worked particularly hard to change my mind.

I'm currently rewatching John Adams and it's good to remember our country was founded by people who thought pouring boiling tar over your political opponents was in the range of considerable options.
posted by threeturtles at 3:41 PM on August 17, 2016 [20 favorites]


Yeah well, let's be honest. One of those surrogates is Katrina Pierson. I'd say Trump. Jr. was correct in his assessment "and they find like one Trump supporter from the street, who has no real political knowledge, and they just happen to be supporter, and they put that person up against 8 people who do this for a living and try to make it seem like that’s a fair fight.

“I mean, it’s so ridiculous I can’t even watch it anymore.”

Hey, Trump Jr, WE can't watch it anymore either. Signed, America.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 3:42 PM on August 17, 2016


He should be reading The Fisherman's Wife.

There have been an awful lot of books with titles formatted "The ____'s Wife" recently, many of them too appropriate for today's news. The Ambassador’s Wife, The Artisan’s Wife, The Artist’s Wife, The Aviator’s Wife, The Bad Boy’s Wife, The Bishop’s Wife, The Boss’s Wife, The Bursar’s Wife, The Candidate’s Wife, The Captain’s Wife, The Consul’s Wife, The Dead Man’s Wife, The Diplomat’s Wife, The Doctor’s Wife, The Earl’s Wife, The Emancipator’s Wife, The Fireman’s Wife, The Governor’s Wife (twice!), The Headmaster’s Wife (also twice!), The Killer’s Wife, The Kitchen God’s Wife, The Liar’s Wife, The Lightkeeper’s Wife, The Magician’s Wife, The Pilot’s Wife, The Poets’ Wives (multiple wives in one book; how novel!, The Prisoner’s Wife (twice again!), The Railwayman’s Wife, The Restaurant Critic’s Wife, The Ringmaster’s Wife, The Saddlemaker’s Wife, The Samurai’s Wife, The Sea Captain’s Wife, The Senator’s Wife, The Shoemaker’s Wife, The Shopkeeper’s Wife, The Soldier’s Wife (yep, twice!), The Sniper’s Wife, The Tea Planter’s Wife, The Tiger’s Wife, The Time Traveler’s Wife, The Traitor’s Wife, The Widower’s Wife, The Witch Doctor’s Wife, and The Zookeeper’s Wife.

Which helps explain why Hillary Clinton is the first woman to have a real chance at being elected President after 240 years... she used to be The President's Wife.
posted by oneswellfoop at 3:43 PM on August 17, 2016 [12 favorites]


if you're a shy Trumper, try holding your breath
posted by prize bull octorok at 3:45 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


holy hell this election... I cannot remain drunk enough to handle this anymore.
posted by lonefrontranger at 3:47 PM on August 17, 2016 [9 favorites]


In the same interview as "Polls. Most of them. All of them," Michael Cohen said he knows about the country's “African American problem”. He later "clarified" he meant "the problem that exists in the African American community."

But really, I think he had it right the first time. Trump's speech last night was about reassuring white voters that Trump can solve all the problems with those pesky African Americans thanks to a law and order approach, and nobody in that room will ever have to consider their privilege or change anything or confront any of the actual problems at stake.
posted by zachlipton at 3:48 PM on August 17, 2016 [16 favorites]


Maybe it's because the weekly session is tonight, or maybe the lich references above planted the seed in my mind, but I'm thinking that this presidential campaign needs to be turned into a D&D campaign.
posted by The Nutmeg of Consolation at 3:48 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


TPM: GOPer Who Wrote Fiery Benghazi Mom’s RNC Speech: Clinton ‘Only Choice’ In Nov:
The Republican operative who wrote “Benghazi mom” Patricia Smith’s RNC speech, where Smith tearfully blamed Hillary Clinton for her son’s death, said he can never vote for Donald Trump in an op-ed published Wednesday.

Richard Cross, a former Capitol Hill staffer, wrote that he believes he's never voted for a Democrat running for federal office. But now he feels Trump has “betrayed and perverted” the party of Ronald Reagan and Dwight D. Eisenhower.
See also: Hey Mr. President! I campaigned for the other guy, but I voted for you!
posted by palindromic at 3:50 PM on August 17, 2016 [30 favorites]


And if you're wondering why Manafort has been pushed aside, it's probably because of things like this: Manafort Allegedly Tried And Failed To Prevent Trump's Infamous Taco Tweet:
The taco bowl incident, trivial though it was, is one example. On Cinco de Mayo, Trump happened to be eating a taco bowl for lunch at his desk in Trump Tower. Manafort was in the office with other aides when a member of the family suggested they tweet a picture of Trump enjoying his “Mexican” lunch.

Manafort politely suggested that this might be seen as condescending and cautioned against it. The tweet went out. Trump himself was delighted by the resulting controversy. “The people who were offended were people we wanted to offend,” he later said.
posted by zachlipton at 3:50 PM on August 17, 2016 [38 favorites]


so did Paul Manafort lose his snake staff or what
posted by theodolite at 3:53 PM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]


Wasn't it shown that Trump wasn't even in Trump Tower this past May 5th?
posted by maryr at 3:53 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


See also: Hey Mr. President! I campaigned for the other guy, but I voted for you!

I really appreciate people frinkiac-ing their own comments when it's going to inspire me to do so. Saves time and threadspace!

But what all of the sudden happened for Richard Cross to gain clarity? Did the check not clear?
posted by MCMikeNamara at 4:00 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Hillary Clinton Appoints Ken Salazar To Lead White House Transition

The Trump trainwreck is fascinating, but don't cut Clinton a blank check. Obama literally asked the public to help him keep his promises... and there were many times that didn't happen. The loyal opposition is important.
posted by zennie at 4:02 PM on August 17, 2016 [19 favorites]


For those who missed it, TPM has the CNN Brianna Keilor/Michael Cohen smackdown video up here.
posted by spitbull at 4:14 PM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


An analysis/interview piece in Vanity Fair concludes Bannon is probably not in much of a position to help Trump win, but may be well placed to create an American nationalist movement off the back of the election.

(warning: contains a para where the writer presents Bannon with Breitbart comments, which are printed.)
posted by Devonian at 4:16 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


I had to write an email today to a guy named Steve and I started helplessly snickering. I blame all of you.
posted by threeturtles at 4:19 PM on August 17, 2016 [27 favorites]


Michael Cohen said he knows about the country's “African American problem”. He later "clarified" he meant "the problem that exists in the African American community."

I just want to come back to this for a second, because it's sort of a slow "wait, what?" Why the hell is the "correct" version "the problem that exists in the African American community?" Why isn't it the problem that exists in everyone's community? I don't mean that in an "all lives matter" sense; I mean it in the sense that you don't just get to call massive structural racism a black people problem that the rest of us don't have to think about.
posted by zachlipton at 4:19 PM on August 17, 2016 [50 favorites]


I like the image of stoned Gary Johnson fucking up Putin's carefully laid plans and winning by accident amidst the carnage.

Careful. I have Adam Sandler on Line 2 and he's saying he needs to take his family on vacation somewhere educational because his kid is failing Social Studies.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 4:20 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Also learned this from TPM commenter Eliza614 -- Michael Cohen went to this law school:

Western Michigan University Cooley Law School is an American Bar Association accredited law school. Cooley has four campuses. Its main campus is in Lansing, Michigan and its satellite campuses are in Grand Rapids, Michigan, Auburn Hills, Michigan, and Tampa, Florida.[4] It has an employment score of 22.9%, one of the poorest outcomes of any law school in the United States.[5] It is also notable for having the loosest admission standards of any ABA-accredited law school.

An affiliation between Cooley and Western Michigan University went into effect on August 13, 2014.


Source.

Special counsel to Mister Trump indeed.
posted by spitbull at 4:20 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]




you don't just get to call massive structural racism a black people problem that the rest of us don't have to think about.

He's not talking about structural racism. I don't think he even grasps the concept of "structural racism" enough to deny that it exists. He's talking about "black-on-black crime".
posted by J.K. Seazer at 4:22 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


Oh and I also learned this about Michael Cohen, Esquire:

"Michael has been instrumental in the development of Trump Tower, Batumi, in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia."

Here is his bio on the website of the Eric Trump
Foundation.
posted by spitbull at 4:25 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


A: Because Donald only speaks English.

Q: Why did Trump launch a Twitter feed in Hebrew?
posted by Joe in Australia at 4:29 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]




Wow, I really really read that "pillows" link as satire at first, mostly because the closing line "The pillows provide much needed support" was pretty funny as a satire line, but looking at the rest of the site I guess it isn't? Apparently Heat Street is owned by News Corp. I just gave that site multiple clicks trying to figure out if they were for real or not. At first I was like, "Wow, Metafilter is really getting snowed by this news parody site! Weird!" But it was I who was snowed! For it was not a parody site. It was real.

I AM THROUGH WITH THIS ELECTION, GUYS. Imma vote in November but following this craziness is messing with my irony meter a bit too thoroughly.
posted by the marble index at 4:38 PM on August 17, 2016 [17 favorites]


I LOVE Pillowgate! I have my woman card, and am now eyeing that pillow in HRC's shop. Mr. Trump is an orange fuehrer horror, but he does keep giving me some of the best laughs of my life.
posted by bearwife at 4:45 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]




How long before Alex Jones is brought on board. As maybe a "science advisor." I'm serious.
posted by My Dad at 4:49 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


> I AM THROUGH WITH THIS ELECTION, GUYS. Imma vote in November but following this craziness is messing with my irony meter a bit too thoroughly.

FOR REALS. I have serious future shock over how 4chan has leaked into the real world and hijacked a major party. I can't deal.

In one of Neal Stephenson's novels there's a scholarly/religious institution whereat disobedient acolytes are punished by being forced to memorize texts designed to thwart memorization in increasingly diabolical ways. Minor punishments involve memorizing poems that almost but don't quite rhyme and arithmetical statements that don't quite add up. The harshest punishments involve memorizing extremely long texts riddled with subtle logical errors designed to drive the pentient literally insane.

Although I'm pretty sure Stephenson included this detail as part of his long-standing and very 20th-century-nerdboy beef with philosophy, critical theory, and humanistic study in general, I think maybe memorizing records of the 2016 election could serve quite effectively as a very high level punishment within this system.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 4:50 PM on August 17, 2016 [14 favorites]


NYTimes: Hillary Clinton Twists the Knife in Donald Trump’s Tax Proposals
Hillary Clinton leaned into her plans to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans on Wednesday, denouncing Donald J. Trump’s tax proposals as a boondoggle for billionaires.

“We’re going to tax the wealthy who have made all of the income gains in the last 15 years,” Mrs. Clinton told a crowd in Cleveland. “The superwealthy, corporations, Wall Street,” she declared emphatically, “they’re going to have to invest in education, in skills training, in infrastructure.”[...]

She said Mr. Trump’s plan to eliminate the estate tax would save his family an estimated $4 billion, which, by Mrs. Clinton’s calculations, would pay for publicly funded prekindergarten classes for 890,000 4-year-olds and provide a year’s worth of health care for 360,000 veterans.

“Donald Trump doesn’t need a tax cut,” she said. She waited for the crowd to quiet down, and then Mrs. Clinton, whose tax returns show that she and former President Bill Clinton earned an adjusted gross income of $10.6 million in 2015, added, “I don’t need a tax cut.”
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:50 PM on August 17, 2016 [58 favorites]




> @Benioff: This table reflects how @realDonaldTrump sees America : homogeneous.

I had the same reaction to this that I did to the picture of Paul Ryan's staff, which is to say that I leaned into the monitor and squinted to make sure somebody didn't Photoshop the same dude in there five times
posted by a mirror and an encyclopedia at 4:55 PM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]


Trump’s New Campaign Manager Whines: ‘We’ll Never Have the Money’ Clinton Has
This morning, Kellyanne Conway was named the new campaign manager for Trump and she went on Fox News to explain why. While talking about her boss — a man who has claimed to have “unlimited cash” with which to fund his campaign — Conway said, “We’ll never have the money and we’ll have have the man power that Hillary Clinton has in Brooklyn but we don’t need it because quality candidates matter and people want a dynamic, honest messenger in their presidential candidates that they can trust.”
Oh gee, if only they knew a Billionaire who wanted to contribute to their campaign.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:59 PM on August 17, 2016 [30 favorites]


dynamic

honest

lol
posted by defenestration at 5:00 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


She said Mr. Trump’s plan to eliminate the estate tax would save his family an estimated $4 billion

omg this is pure aikido. if trump wants to deny that he'll benefit from his tax plan, he has to admit that he's grossly exaggerated his net worth!
posted by murphy slaw at 5:00 PM on August 17, 2016 [56 favorites]


because quality candidates matter

the trump campaign is doing that thing where they project their attributes onto clinton, aren't they?
posted by murphy slaw at 5:03 PM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


I still cannot believe they've brought in Breitbart fucks to run the campaign.

Insane.
posted by defenestration at 5:06 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think even CNN is stopping the swallowing of surrogate bullshit without at least checking if it's the chocolate ice cream said surrogates claim it to be.
posted by Talez at 5:06 PM on August 17, 2016


That is a great speech by HRC. Concrete, hopeful, and INTELLIGENT.
posted by bearwife at 5:06 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ed Kilgore, NY Mag: "Trump’s Appeal to Black Voters Was Actually Directed at White Voters."

Spot on dog whistle amplifier.
posted by spitbull at 5:08 PM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


> the trump campaign is doing that thing where they project their attributes onto clinton, aren't they?

A Clinton spokesperson quoted in an AP story this morning actually made this point:
"With each passing Trump attack, it becomes clearer that his strategy is just to say about Hillary Clinton what's true of himself. When people started saying he was temperamentally unfit, he called Hillary the same. When his ties to the Kremlin came under scrutiny, he absurdly claimed that Hillary was the one who was too close to Putin. Now he's accusing her of bigoted remarks -- We think the American people will know which candidate is guilty of the charge," [Clinton spokesperson Jennifer Palmieri] said.
Is this the first time somebody in the campaign has said this? I can't remember for sure but I don't think I've seen it anywhere but Metafilter before.
posted by a mirror and an encyclopedia at 5:09 PM on August 17, 2016 [55 favorites]


I am extremely mad at the Cohen "Says who?" video because it is better comedic timing than anything I could possibly come up with as satire
posted by Greg Nog at 5:10 PM on August 17, 2016 [48 favorites]


Is this the first time somebody in the campaign has said this? I can't remember for sure but I don't think I've seen it anywhere but Metafilter before.

No but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and has bad hair like a duck...
posted by Talez at 5:10 PM on August 17, 2016


I think even CNN is stopping the swallowing of surrogate bullshit without at least checking if it's the chocolate ice cream said surrogates claim it to be.

That just leaves "Is it true? Is it false? We 'report,' you decide!" NPR.
posted by leotrotsky at 5:10 PM on August 17, 2016 [9 favorites]


> No but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and has bad hair like a duck...

Ah, well. Once I started following these threads I pretty much stopped finding election news anywhere else, so in my head everything originates on Metafilter.

The echo chamber in action, I guess, but it's pretty much the only thing maintaining my sanity.
posted by a mirror and an encyclopedia at 5:13 PM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]




bearwife: the "a woman's place is in the shite house" pillow is great. I have one. It's of decent quality, larger than expected and is even fairly tasteful as befits cross stitch. I got one for my mother-in-law and thinking about getting one for my mom too.
posted by R343L at 5:14 PM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


"Many people are claiming Trump is down, but some people are saying 'says who?'."
posted by defenestration at 5:14 PM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


R343L... quick, before the edit window closes.... make all the jokes to come incomprehensible
posted by Cold Lurkey at 5:16 PM on August 17, 2016 [35 favorites]


the "a woman's place is in the shite house" pillow is great.

That's a weirdly calibrated autocorrect.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:18 PM on August 17, 2016 [25 favorites]


>"bearwife: the "a woman's place is in the shite house" pillow is great..."posted by R343L at 5:14 PM on August 17 [+] [!]

OMG i don't know whether to cry or laugh at that typo!!
posted by ramix at 5:20 PM on August 17, 2016 [9 favorites]


Omg I am going to cry. Why do you hate me iOS?! Normally it actually autocorrects to White House upper case. :(
posted by R343L at 5:21 PM on August 17, 2016 [36 favorites]


Also I'm on a literal tropical vacation and still addicted to these threads. So.
posted by R343L at 5:22 PM on August 17, 2016 [15 favorites]


Shite House? Maybe I'm getting old, but I just can't keep up with the electronic music subgenres these days.
posted by box at 5:27 PM on August 17, 2016 [67 favorites]


Dreams in the Shite House
posted by Artw at 5:30 PM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


Donald Trump made $39 million running failed casino company
In 1995, Donald Trump's first and only initial public offering raised $140 million from public investors under the ticker symbol DJT. A decade later, Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts, filed for bankruptcy.

The casino company posted losses every year it was public -- more than $600 million in total between 1995 and 2004 -- a CNNMoney analysis of 10 years of corporate filings shows.

DJT paid Trump handsomely each year. His salary, bonus and options totaled about $20 million.
posted by kirkaracha at 5:32 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


Michael Cohen went to this law school:

That's perfect. Cooley is an abomination bottom feeder that shouldn't exist, it only survives because of the Federal government's bottomless willingness to underwrite any and all student loans. It's the law school equivalent of DeVry or Phoenix. Maybe not even that high, it's the Sullivan cooking school of law schools. There is a federal court decision that basically said, if you signed up to go to this school, you are fucking stupid, and you knew or should've known your "degree" would be utterly worthless.

You know, except if the Trump campaign is hiring legal counsel.
posted by T.D. Strange at 5:32 PM on August 17, 2016 [21 favorites]


From the Eric Trump Foundation bio of Michael Cohen that spitbull's comment linked to,
Michael is a rising star in the business sector and has appeared in various press outlets such as CNBC, Fox, NBC, ABC and the New York Post, as Donald J. Trump's policitical advisor. [sic except emphasis, which is mine]
posted by Spathe Cadet at 5:33 PM on August 17, 2016 [12 favorites]


Polictickles, more like.
posted by dis_integration at 5:36 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


According to a coworker who supported Sanders, then Trump and now Stein, Wikileaks ( and she says this to me smiling and doing a little dance ) is going to release info that will put Hillary in jail. I keep asking why they'd not release it now or hell why not at the primary when Sanders could have picked up the pieces. She just looks at me and shrugs.

This week she did that spiel again and I said after the shrug "You know why they're not releasing it? They have nothing." Oddly she then told me she never supported Trump.

So yeah his supporters are, to say the least fickle and probably not even voters.
posted by 922257033c4a0f3cecdbd819a46d626999d1af4a at 5:37 PM on August 17, 2016 [18 favorites]


Has anybody told Trump how little the President gets paid?
posted by srboisvert at 5:38 PM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh, he'll find other ways to get paid.
posted by peacheater at 5:39 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


WaPo: Why a Trump adviser saying Clinton should be shot has resulted in … not much of anything
"The liberal media took what I said and went against the law and the Constitution and ran with it, and they said that I wanted her assassinated, which I never did," Baldasaro told The Republican/MassLive.com. "I said I spoke as a veteran, and she should be shot in a firing squad for treason."

Baldasaro was referring to his original comment in July, when he said on conservative talk radio in Boston that: "Hillary Clinton should be put in the firing line and shot for treason." He's since repeated that sentiment twice. (Though his reasons have shifted from the 2012 terrorist attacks in Benghazi, Libya, to her use of a private email server while secretary of state.)[...]

Trump's spokeswoman issued a statement in July: "We're incredibly grateful for his support, but we don't agree with his comments." It mostly flew under the radar. So did the Secret Service's statement that it's investigating the remarks. Since then, Baldasaro has repeated some version of his comment two more times. The Trump campaign hasn't responded at all. And he's still on board.

And really, why should Trump's campaign have to answer for something controversial his adviser has said, since no one's really focusing on it. That's a product of Trump himself, who is more than capable of making his own controversial statements — some would say even similar statements — that suck up the media's attention. It's a habit of Trump's that drives establishment Republicans like Rep. Paul D. Ryan (Wis.) up a wall.
Salon: Trump’s “alpha-male” paradox: How gender bias makes his behavior seem manly, no matter what
In what is among the most baffling contradictions of the 2016 election, Trump’s behavior on the campaign trail is sometimes a cartoonish execution of these throwback stereotypes that have been unfairly, prejudicially and hatefully associated with women, teenage girls and gay men. Hateful stereotypes of women as thin-skinned and hysterical, and gay men as dramatic gossips, have helped scaffold and maintain centuries of sexist and homophobic harassment, mistreatment and exclusion from institutional authority and leadership positions. Yet Trump enjoys macho hero status with his (largely male) followers, benefiting from a “masculine” (and, thanks to gender bias, a positive) reading of his public persona.

James Hamblin, the usually brilliant health correspondent at the Atlantic, recently wrote an essay chastising Trump as the “climax of America’s masculinity problem.” Hamblin’s evisceration of Trump’s vulgarity, borderline sociopathy and misogyny is accurate and made with ample evidence. But at the same time, the Twitter tough guy’s demeanor bears little resemblance to “masculinity” in its traditional American sense.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:39 PM on August 17, 2016 [14 favorites]


Has anybody told Trump how little the President gets paid?


Sez who?
posted by nubs at 5:41 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Amusingly the Cohen/Keilar "says who?" interview has gone quite viral already. It's top of the page at Red State right now, and Daily Kos.

Somehow it works as a summarizing image.

And it was live blogged as it happened right here!
posted by spitbull at 5:41 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trump's policitical advisor.

Meredith?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:43 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


Meredith!
posted by Yowser at 5:45 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


What does Eggo Waffle have to say about this?
posted by Artw at 5:50 PM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


Has anybody told Trump how little the President gets paid?

For real, the Clintons left the White House after Bill's term stone cold broke.
posted by 922257033c4a0f3cecdbd819a46d626999d1af4a at 5:53 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Well to be fair that was because of all the lawsuits against them. Wait.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:02 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


They left the White House millions in debt for legal bills incurred fighting right wing witch hunting. They hate it that she is rich now.
posted by spitbull at 6:03 PM on August 17, 2016 [15 favorites]


>"With each passing Trump attack, it becomes clearer that his strategy is just to say about Hillary Clinton what's true of himself. When people started saying he was temperamentally unfit, he called Hillary the same. When his ties to the Kremlin came under scrutiny, he absurdly claimed that Hillary was the one who was too close to Putin. Now he's accusing her of bigoted remarks . . . "

Yes, we already have Trump's Razor: "Ascertain the stupidest possible scenario that can be reconciled with the available facts" and that answer is likely correct.

But I think we now have, in addition, Trump's Second Razor: Anything he accuses his opponent of, is something he himself does, has been criticized for, and/or is afraid of being criticized for.

You can call it projection, you can call it pre-school level argumentation ("No, you touched ME first"), or you can just call it Trump's Second Razor.

Whatever you call it, the Trump campaign is very clearly and consciously adopting it as a strategy. Now as a strategy it is so dumb that Trump's Second Razor can only be explained by recourse to Trump's First Razor--but, I digress.

This brings me to a related matter: Over the past few days, apropos of exactly nothing and based on nothing, the chorus of concern over Clinton's supposed health problems has reached a peak.

Which can only make us wonder and suspect--is Trump himself having a serious health crisis? Some kind of a health scare? Why is this topic on the forefront of his mind for such an extended period?

In his speeches and tweets, you can pretty much see what is on Donny's mind. You can see what he is thinking about, what he is worried about. Why is ill health on his mind? Has something happened?

The Clinton camp hasn't raised the issue of Trump's health. (Well, his mental health--but that is another matter.) But pretty clearly, Trump is concerned about an attack on his candidacy on health grounds, and so he is launching a pre-emptive attack on Clinton. Why is he so worried?

Trump's Second Razor suggests an answer . . .
posted by flug at 6:03 PM on August 17, 2016 [49 favorites]


I mean, the only reason Trump's ridiculous doctor's note is getting increased scrutiny now is because of his random accusations about Clinton leaning against pillows and whatnot... (And I do wonder why the MSM was not more interested in the obvious fakeness of that note earlier.)
posted by peacheater at 6:08 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


the "a woman's place is in the shite house" pillow is great.

That's a weirdly calibrated autocorrect.


Thank you, because I didn't even catch that. I just thought it was a joke I didn't get.
posted by bongo_x at 6:12 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


but may be well placed to create an American nationalist movement off the back of the election. Yeah one of the more haunting things I reme,near a reporter covering the RNC say was. That the most intellgence, clear eyed trump supporters where the Nazis/white nationalists who didn't think he had a chance to win BUT he was a good way to mainstream and popularize thier platform.

And that is fucking scary.
posted by The Whelk at 6:13 PM on August 17, 2016 [30 favorites]


I guess during the primary it was presumed to be just Republicans dumb business, and if they were suckers enough to accept it then so what. But now it's everybodies business, so maybe he'll be pressed on it.
posted by Artw at 6:14 PM on August 17, 2016


So, wait. Is Trump's refusal to remove his suit jacket his projection of Hillary health concerns?
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:16 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


So...It looks like Trump Youth is now a thing.
posted by Thorzdad at 6:17 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


"‘Trump Youth’ group run by Hitler apologist will teach millennials to root out ‘parasites’"
Parasite = Any millennial who joins a group called "Trump Youth"
posted by oneswellfoop at 6:22 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


This seems to be a dude with a YouTube channel.
posted by Going To Maine at 6:22 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


I keep imagining that if I had a time machine and could convince Fred Trump that Steve is a much better name than Donald, maybe he'd grow up a well-adjusted individual and not need to do all of this other stuff to try to feel good about himself.

and I suppose probably do something about 9/11 as long as I'm mucking with the timeline
posted by ckape at 6:24 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


This seems to be a dude with a YouTube channel.

So he's on the short list for Trump's next campaign manager?
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:30 PM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]


One of the Pillowpalooza examples says, "Here’s Hillary in a fancy chair, with a pillow that probably cost more than your first car." Pretty rich coming from supporters of a guy who likes gold-rimmed Saddam Hussein-style chairs.
posted by kirkaracha at 6:33 PM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


[A few comments removed. Maybe think twice before tossing fucking Horrific Terrorism Chuckles into the conversation.]
posted by cortex at 6:36 PM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]


The Trump Youth thing fortunately looks like some kook glomming onto the Trump name. Bad, sure, but it doesn't look like anything the campaign is promoting.
posted by R343L at 6:39 PM on August 17, 2016


Yet.
posted by spitbull at 6:40 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


The Trump Youth thing fortunately looks like some kook glomming onto the Trump name. Bad, sure, but it doesn't look like anything the campaign is promoting.

Well yeah, it's clearly not the campaign BUT people need to put that shit on blast so that the campaign has to denounce and distance itself publicly (and look suuuuper awkward doing it).
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:41 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Eh. I kind of feel like this is the kind of thing that is worth ignoring if only not to give them attention. They are nobodies. If the Trump campaign has sense, they'll just send them a quiet cease and desist.
posted by R343L at 6:43 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Now we know the direction The Onion is taking with Tim Kaine.
posted by Groundhog Week at 6:43 PM on August 17, 2016 [10 favorites]


My theory for a while has been: Nocturnal home hemodialysis

Explains the flying home every night, the late night twitter rampages. Ties in nicely with the diet pill abuse.
posted by joeyh at 6:43 PM on August 17, 2016 [19 favorites]


When will the moderator for the September 26th debate be announced? Anybody know?

"First presidential debate (September 26, 2016, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY)

The debate will be divided into six time segments of approximately 15 minutes each on major topics to be selected by the moderator and announced at least one week before the debate.

The moderator will open each segment with a question, after which each candidate will have two minutes to respond. Candidates will then have an opportunity to respond to each other. The moderator will use the balance of the time in the segment for a deeper discussion of the topic."

Whoever the moderator is, they've got to be on it. Because it seems increasingly clear Trump is just going to spew nonsense in the air. He's going to just spit out conspiracy theories, lies, fabrications, and just every manner of crap.

And a good amount of people will believe him if the moderator doesn't shut that down, or better yet, open the debate by saying the candidates are expected to only use fact-based arguments, not conspiracy theories and lies - and then refers back to that pronouncement every time Trump does it.

Because otherwise, Trump will be taken seriously by too many people, simply because he's on the stage. So many people will think that he can't just be boldly lying about what he's saying, because this is for the presidency, this is a serious event, and the whole setup of the presidential debates gives it an air of formality that will have a lot of people who don't follow politics, running with some seemingly salacious conspiracy theory or falsehood (ala the Cruz/JFK thing). And of course Trump will do it with that "many people are saying...." thing.

But absent the assurance that the moderator will do that, and maybe even if they do, the Clinton campaign has to (and probably is) come up with some kind of way to counteract the rapid-fire as-an-aside lies Trump will try to drop into the discussion.
posted by cashman at 6:44 PM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


And a good amount of people will believe him if the moderator doesn't shut that down, or better yet, open the debate by saying the candidates are expected to only use fact-based arguments, not conspiracy theories and lies - and then refers back to that pronouncement every time Trump does it.

There's no chance that will happen. Candy Crowley got a lot of pushback for even approaching that kind of thing in the Romney-Obama debate.
posted by Justinian at 6:49 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


I've been thinking for months that, in the debates, they really ought to enforce microphone time. Meaning: when one candidate is speaking, the other candidate's microphone is cut off. When a candidates time is up, their mic automatically gets cut off.

I mean, I've kinda thought that about political debates in general – but it's extra necessary for these debates.

They won't do it, of course.
posted by escape from the potato planet at 6:57 PM on August 17, 2016 [20 favorites]


She's pretty good at making sure she gets mic time when debating a shouty old dude, I've seen her.
posted by Artw at 6:58 PM on August 17, 2016 [16 favorites]


When will the moderator for the September 26th debate be announced?

How the fuck are we gonna make it that long
I mean
posted by rp at 6:59 PM on August 17, 2016 [16 favorites]


That's only about 8 more threads and 30,000 comments.
posted by Justinian at 7:00 PM on August 17, 2016 [20 favorites]


More people should watch Lawrence O'Donnell's show. It is the best.
posted by zutalors! at 7:04 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah, but Trump is like the shoutiest old dude ever.
posted by escape from the potato planet at 7:05 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


They need to bring back VH1's pop up video format for the debates to do the fact checks for home viewers.

Maybe they can hire whoever is doing the news chyrons.
posted by winna at 7:06 PM on August 17, 2016 [24 favorites]


I personally plan to bust out arementalkingtoomuch.com during the debates

spoilers: the answer will unquestionably be yes
posted by The demon that lives in the air at 7:13 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


The Waste Wing
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:14 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


@benshapiro calls Trump campaign a “turd tornado”
CNN host: “A what tornado?”
Shapiro: “a turd tornado. Like a shark tornado with poop"

Shapiro surely means a "Sharknado"; if you're gonna use an outdated pop culture reference, at least do it correctly.


I think "shartnado" is the optimal term here.
posted by MikeKD at 7:15 PM on August 17, 2016 [37 favorites]


I hope Trump falls below 15% in the polls and thus is not eligible for the debate.
posted by humanfont at 7:16 PM on August 17, 2016 [41 favorites]


I was trying to think of when this corrosive style of American politics started.

I blame Grover Norquist, who helped Oliver North and participated in many other dubious overseas shenanigans, worked with Newt Gingrich in 1994 on the loathsome Contract with America, and then (at Reagan's behest) used that model to get nearly all Republicans in Congress to sign the incredibly destructive Taxpayer Protection Pledge. Oh and he was an early champion of GWB. He's an awful, awful man who is wrong about practically everything.
posted by carmicha at 7:18 PM on August 17, 2016 [33 favorites]




"Uhhhh says who Socrates?"
Socrates: "Shut up Politickles"
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:20 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


It seems to me that it isn't the corrosive politics of the last twenty years that is the outlier but rather the relatively restrained (in some ways) politics of the post-war era. Politics was really nasty for much of our history.
posted by Justinian at 7:21 PM on August 17, 2016


Is this the first time somebody in the campaign has said this? I can't remember for sure but I don't think I've seen it anywhere but Metafilter before.

It was Tony Schwartz, ghostwriter of The Art of the Deal:

Something I saw early on w/ Trump: most negative things he says about others are actually describing him. Read his tweets with that in mind
posted by Metroid Baby at 7:22 PM on August 17, 2016 [13 favorites]


That's only about 8 more threads and 30,000 comments.

This poll doesn't count all of those whose heads already have asploded, nor any of those whose heads will certainly asplode between now and the first debate, should that actually happen, and then the second and third, should they come to pass, let alone those whose crania remain intact through the actual day of the actual election.

Not lookin good, is what I'm sayin.
posted by rp at 7:23 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


My theory for a while has been: Nocturnal home hemodialysis

Could be, but I doubt it. My partner does home hemo. Most of the time our sessions are at home. But the core unit is around the size of a large office laser printer. I forget what it weighs but it's less than 10 pounds and can be carried with the built in handle. We've traveled with it several times. Need the unit, a few boxes of supplies, and that's about it. If the trip is extended, the dialysis company will ship out supplies overnight. Not entirely painless but traveling with dialysis isn't a huge burden either.

And that's something we can handle with just the two of us. Trump, with a huge entourage which probably includes at least one doctor on site at all times, could easily do a nationwide campaign with dialysis as needed at every stop. Though with his obsessions over cleanliness, he might not trust random hotel suite as being up to his standards for the procedure.

Of course, dialysis could be one of the things impairing his cognition. My partner gets some relatively mild cognitive impairments on the days when she has a session. But her clinic puts her through a series of mental health assessments annually because some patients have far stronger reactions.
posted by honestcoyote at 7:23 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


First the pillow thing, and now rumors are coming out of the Clinton camp that Hillary uses liniment when she has soreness in her joints.


BENGHAYZI


I am so, so sorry.
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 7:24 PM on August 17, 2016 [51 favorites]


I like that I can just throw "Says who" into YouTube search and I get the CNN interview with Cohen.
posted by zutalors! at 7:26 PM on August 17, 2016 [12 favorites]


I don't think there's anything behind his reluctance to stay at a property he doesn't own than just not wanting to be inconvenienced.

(Totally yes to the drugs thing, tho)
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:29 PM on August 17, 2016


Please memail to invest in my new app Says Who it allows you to chat with your friends for free from anywhere in the world because you don't have any friends.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:29 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm a masochist I guess because I'm watching the Trump town hall meeting thing on Hannity. It is just too ridiculous but here is the gist:

Hannity: what is extreme vetting? how do you vet what's in someone's heart?
Trump: You get smart people. you use social media. Look at ISIS, recruiting over the internet. We have to end that. But look at ISIS using the internet, and we have people in our country saying we can't do that. Weapons are getting stronger and meaner. I didn't want to go over there.
Hannity: But extreme vetting...
Trump: San Bernadino, what a horror show. If we had looked at social media we would know she was radicalized. They killed the people who gave them a baby - shower? a baby party. A baby party!
Hannity: But extreme vetting...
Trump: The Orlando person was sitting behind Hillary and he looked happy! Let's say the words "racial profiling" - lets get smart. We are letting tens of thousands of people in.
Hannity: okay commercial break.
[real, paraphrased]
posted by gatorae at 7:35 PM on August 17, 2016 [12 favorites]


A prediction...
The debate is going to be the most horrendous, ghastly bit of television ever. I predict we will see the Trump of the primaries, amped-up to eleven. He's going to play to his slimy base. He's going to ignore the topics, hog the time, and simply call Clinton every name in the book, and the right will go utterly insane with glee.

It will be the moment that either sends the Trumptanic to the briny deep, or makes this real horse race.

I have no idea what Clinton's best strategy can be to handle a stage-hogging maxed-out Trump on a full rampage, but I really hope her team is working on it. This won't be a normal, boring debate, though. That's for sure.
posted by Thorzdad at 7:36 PM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


BENGHAYZI

ಠ__ಠ
posted by Cookiebastard at 7:38 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


"I have no idea what Clinton's best strategy can be"

Mostly just letting him talk probably.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 7:39 PM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


That 81 mg of aspirin fascinates me. Aspirin is not a benign substance, particularly when taken regularly. The only reason to prescribe a daily dose is because the alternatives are worse. For example, I have been taking 100 mg per day (originally expressed as "half a tablet", with the typical tablet being 300 mg, but my doctor cheerfully endorsed the 100 mg dose when I found a cheap source of smaller tabs) since a blood clot in 2004. Preventing future clots outweighs the risk of ulcers and bleeding. I'm also on (atorva)statin to control my cholestrol. So what condition is Trump being treated for with Aspirin and a statin?
posted by Autumn Leaf at 7:40 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


honestcoyote, he could travel with it, but he's trying to keep his condition under wraps..
posted by joeyh at 7:41 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


but I really hope her team is working on it.

You know they are, dude! Competence is her thing. They're probably role playing it right now.
posted by ftm at 7:43 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


Chronic Steves Syndrome
posted by Hairy Lobster at 7:43 PM on August 17, 2016 [9 favorites]


winna: They need to bring back VH1's pop up video format for the debates to do the fact checks for home viewers.

Ooh, I have a friend who did an awesome Spuffy video in this style, back in the day (er, a dozen years ago). I wonder if she could be persuaded... she has some pretty highfalutin' contacts nowadays.

On it.
posted by Superplin at 7:44 PM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


I really hope her team is working on it.

I'm sure they are, and letting him sputter, pointing out he can not form sentences, and trusting her security team when he tries to strangle her would be my checklist.
posted by vrakatar at 7:44 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


honestcoyote, he could travel with it, but he's trying to keep his condition under wraps...

Heh...

Dr. Byron Orpheus: [after examining Dr. Venture's latest invention] What the hell is this thing made out of?
Dr. Venture: [suspiciously] Nothing.
Dr. Byron Orpheus: Come on...
Dr. Venture: All right, fine, I might have used a few unorthodox parts.
Dr. Byron Orpheus: Just tell me one.
Dr. Venture: [mumbling] An... orphan.

posted by Artw at 7:45 PM on August 17, 2016 [29 favorites]


So what condition is Trump being treated for with Aspirin and a statin?

He's 70, and has to have hypertension, which can't be helped by hourly rage strokes. Probably cardiac risk.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:46 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


The debate is going to be the most horrendous, ghastly bit of television ever. I predict we will see the Trump of the primaries, amped-up to eleven.

i kinda want to see him pop open a pill container right on stage and just toss a bunch in his mouth while he's waiting to respond to something
posted by indubitable at 7:47 PM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


Wait until the media gets wind of Clinton's obsession with Afro-Cuban percussion.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 7:47 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Maybe do the whole Gary Oldman pill thing from Leon.
posted by Artw at 7:48 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]



More people should watch Lawrence O'Donnell's show. It is the best.


To add to this - he gave his intern a speaking slot tonight. Don't switch after Maddow!
posted by zutalors! at 7:49 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Bonghozi
posted by Spathe Cadet at 7:50 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


I'm sure they are, and letting him sputter, pointing out he can not form sentences, and trusting her security team when he tries to strangle her would be my checklist.

My dream would be for her to put on her best "mother watching her child throw a tantrum and just waiting for him to run out of steam" stance and, when Trump finally takes a breather, she puts her hands together and says in her best bemused-mommy voice, "Are you done now, Donny?" and just watch his head explode.
posted by Thorzdad at 7:50 PM on August 17, 2016 [9 favorites]


And she loves that late night horror host from Chicago with all the corn jokes. Sad!

Svengazi.
posted by vrakatar at 7:55 PM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


I have no idea what Clinton's best strategy can be to handle a stage-hogging maxed-out Trump on a full rampage

Politely smiling and waiting for him to finish, even when that cuts into her allotted time, and then saying politely challenging things designed to enrage him.

"I'm sorry you were ignorant of [fact], Donald, but the best way to deal with this problem is..."
"I can't agree with that approach because I have no vendetta against the poor, who would suffer [result] from that policy..."
"It seems inconsistent that the man who claims to want to end violence in America doesn't want to restrict gun use..."

Needle him with big words; damn with faint praise; condescend with multi-syllable politesse ("While I'm told Mr. Trump's business acumen was sufficient to his company's needs twenty years ago, he lacks any experience with legislative negotiations...") and let him sputter. Play the well-educated society lady to the hilt; let Trump be rude and bombastic in response.

It won't win points among those who think all education is elitism, but those aren't the undecided voters she's trying to sway.

So what condition is Trump being treated for with Aspirin and a statin?

Can't speak for the statin (a cholesterol-lowering drug); 81mg aspirin is baby aspirin, which is prescribed as cardiac preventative medication. (That's my husband's dose.)
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 8:04 PM on August 17, 2016 [12 favorites]


I said it in the last thread, but my hope is high for at least one "Oh bless your heart, Donad."
posted by spitbull at 8:06 PM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


"Before we go on, Mr. Trump, can one of my people bring you a smaller mic? That one seems too big for your hands."
posted by emjaybee at 8:07 PM on August 17, 2016 [17 favorites]


"Remember when my husband and I attended your wedding? Remember what we chatted about? You were such a good host then; what happened?"
posted by oneswellfoop at 8:09 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


Not a doctor, but I don't think aspirin and a statin say anything more sinister than that he's old and his cholesterol is a touch high.
posted by EarBucket at 8:10 PM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]


Hillary arches her eyebrows as Trump goes on and on. She makes a gesture on her podium with a sharpie marker.

Repeat the above as required.

Then at the appropriate time, she shouts "Bingo!" and holds up her card, showing she'd already predicted all of the Donald's moves.
posted by yesster at 8:15 PM on August 17, 2016 [40 favorites]


Nah. The only way to beat Trump is to out-crazy him. He says "We should ban Muslims," she should say "Yeah! And those fucking Episcopalians too!" He says "We gotta build a wall on the Mexican border," she says "And trenches filled with zika-mosquito-bitten sharks around the Wall!" etc. etc. Trump's base supporters will switch sides. Hillary's supporters will be in on the joke. Boom.
posted by Cookiebastard at 8:24 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


For an election that will see one of the oldest presidents ever be elected (either way it goes), there's been surprisingly little talk about the age of the candidates so far. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but I wonder why? I don't think Trump has the self-awareness to know that calling Clinton an 'Old woman' or something would be dumb, but maybe the Clinton campaign also doesn't want to bring age into this? She's 68, with the benefits of being a lady and seemingly having lived healthily with great healthcare, but maybe? Is there so much more scandalous bullshit in the air, both true and fake, that it'd just be too boring to talk about?

I'm mostly curious because either of them are closest in age to Reagan, and he was not a great example for having a 70+ person as a leader. It's also fairly uncommon in the world to have someone that old as a head of state, especially in the West.

(At least spending most her adult life under fire has probably been good resistance training for the hardest job in the world.)
posted by neonrev at 8:25 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


All they really have to do to induce a Trumpian fit of rage during the debates is to point to a fan at the back of his head during a crucial question. Just enough to muss his hair a little, threaten to expose what's under the comb-over. (Because in Trumpworld impending baldness is a sign of weakness, not normal aging.)
posted by Soliloquy at 8:28 PM on August 17, 2016


Cohen on the "says who" exchange: “I think I unraveled her,” Cohen boasted.

Yea dude, you nailed it.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:32 PM on August 17, 2016 [63 favorites]




For an election that will see one of the oldest presidents ever be elected (either way it goes), there's been surprisingly little talk about the age of the candidates so far.

America's power-elite seem, in general, to be getting older and older and refusing to retire and give up their positions to younger generations. The Senate is super-old (avg. age 63), CEOs are old, Aging profs are taking up the tenured positions long past their used-by date. So maybe it just seems par for the course. Boomers ruin everything!

But also with Trump, Sanders and Clinton all grandparents, there wasn't a lot of political ammo from either side to push the age question.

But women age pretty well, statistically speaking, better than overweight men of Trump's vintage and level of shrieking. I'd be worried about a President getting elected at 80, but 68 is practically a spring shoot. My grandma beat breast cancer at 68 and is still going now at 95.
posted by dis_integration at 8:39 PM on August 17, 2016 [27 favorites]


Honestly I think the best way to anger him during the debates would be to call him on everything. If he makes a claim that's beyond the president's power or is unconstitutional, call him on that. If he lies, call him out. If he talks about doing something obviously infeasible, don't let him go on until he gives a plan on how he's going to accomplish it. If he says it's a secret, say he's bluffing, he doesn't have a plan and can't possibly accomplish it and he's only saying it to appeal to his base. Don't let him get away with any deception at all.

I would guess that between his huge ego, vindictiveness, and being the boss man, he's not used to being questioned at all and will turn hostile really fast.
posted by Mitrovarr at 8:40 PM on August 17, 2016 [14 favorites]


The only way to beat Trump is to out-crazy him.

I'm far more inclined to give him enough nope to hang himself. "Mr. Trump, as a firm believer in Biblical principles, do you support the proposal in Leviticus (which is a book of the Bible, by the way, sir) that gay men should be put to death?" "Well, you know what, we're looking into that, we're looking into that a lot, and you wouldn't believe some of the things we're finding, and I do support the Bible, no one supports it more than me, and I just want to say that day one, when I'm President, we're going to have some very important executive orders that maybe the Second Amendment people can work with, okay? Bigly."
posted by uosuaq at 8:41 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


For an election that will see one of the oldest presidents ever be elected (either way it goes), there's been surprisingly little talk about the age of the candidates so far. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but I wonder why?

Because 70 is the new 50? (Only half-joking.)

On the one hand, I'm a little sad that after Obama — who's sort of on the Boomer/GenX cusp — we'll be going back to a solid Boomer president. On the other hand, I'm a little weirded out that Marco Rubio was the first credible presidential candidate to be younger than me.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 8:41 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


Honestly, all of this debate fanfiction with people fantasizing about Clinton delivering sick burns to Trump is a little weird.

I mean, also entertaining. But also a little weird.
posted by escape from the potato planet at 8:43 PM on August 17, 2016 [22 favorites]


Marco Rubio was the first credible presidential candidate to be younger than me.


[citation needed]
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 8:46 PM on August 17, 2016 [23 favorites]


We've reached the slashfic part of the thread, see "Egg McMuffin could win Utah and wouldn't that mess up the electoral college?" from the last thread.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:46 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


My money is on it being mostly boring/disappointing in some way, and then a spectacular meltdown coming completely out of the blue soon afterwards
posted by Artw at 8:47 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


Out of, or on?
posted by uosuaq at 8:49 PM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


Marco Rubio was the first credible presidential candidate to be younger than me.

[citation needed]


I meant "credible" in the sense of "actually had a reasonable shot at becoming president," not in the sense of "would actually make a good president."
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 8:49 PM on August 17, 2016


BENGHAYZI

That earns you a two-minute stay in the punalty box.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 8:51 PM on August 17, 2016 [9 favorites]


This is tangential to the general political discussion, but the Song-A-Day guy wrote one about Harry Enten. I haven't been able to purge it from my brain since I heard it, so I'm sharing it with you all so I do not suffer alone.
posted by schroedinger at 8:52 PM on August 17, 2016




Maybe it's because the weekly session is tonight, or maybe the lich references above planted the seed in my mind, but I'm thinking that this presidential campaign needs to be turned into a D&D campaign.

You're in luck! Dungeons and Donalds on Twitter
posted by donatella at 8:53 PM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]




not literally, unfortunately.
posted by peeedro at 9:07 PM on August 17, 2016 [19 favorites]


Honestly, all of this debate fanfiction with people fantasizing about Clinton delivering sick burns to Trump is a little weird.

I mean, also entertaining. But also a little weird.


What worries me is that the debates will be mostly boring and maybe Clinton will even make a mistake or two and then everyone will be tearing their hair out and rending their garments and doomed we're all doomed I tell you
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:08 PM on August 17, 2016 [13 favorites]


Kaine made a stop by the Iowa pork tent — at one point hoisting his pork chop on a stick high into the air [not The Onion]
posted by Yowser at 9:11 PM on August 17, 2016 [12 favorites]


America's power-elite seem, in general, to be getting older and older and refusing to retire and give up their positions to younger generations.

I think it may be a case of there being so few viable candidates to turn it over to. The people Liberals are excited about are Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.
posted by bongo_x at 9:13 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


He made a Star Trek joke! And badgered the press corp to eat! [real] He really IS dad!!!
posted by Deoridhe at 9:13 PM on August 17, 2016 [16 favorites]


Kaine’s parting advice to the press corps? “Hey, get a pork chop. I mean you can’t come this close and just let us eat and you guys not have anything.”

Aw, c'mon dad!

(I also can not imagine any of the GOP slate noticing that the press wasn't eating, or really that they have personal needs of any kind, and are not solely dedicated to writing about them. Small things.)
posted by neonrev at 9:16 PM on August 17, 2016 [15 favorites]


> REMEMBER HOW SCALIA DIED.

Auto-erotic asphyxiation?


Fuuuuck. We're going to be infested with him next year. [fake]
posted by sebastienbailard at 9:19 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


I want to see the phrase "fielding a mouthful of fried pork" in more political reporting.
posted by bibliowench at 9:19 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


So here's what I've been trying to figure out: if you're a member of the Republican establishment, and are solely concerned with the well-being of the party, isn't there a pretty clear case to be made that a Trump win would do far more damage to the GOP than a Trump loss? I mean, Candidate Trump has already wreaked so much chaos that serious observers are wondering whether the party will survive. President Trump would be an agonizing, four-year commercial for anyone but the GOP.

He's obviously completely unprepared and unfit to fill the role, and is likely to go down in history as the most incompetent American president ever, all under the Republican banner. He's shown zero loyalty to party principles, leaving little reason to believe that he would advance those principles once in power (or indeed that he would advance any principles other than keeping the media spotlight on himself by saying and doing awful things) – even the most ardent of fantasists no longer imagine that he can be tamed. He's likely to cause a recession and do long-term damage to our international alliances. He's alienated minorities of all stripes – who the Republicans desperately need to win over in order to remain viable as a party – for a generation to come. A Trump presidency would in no way improve the GOP's situation.

On the other hand, a Clinton presidency – as awful as that might be in the minds of Republicans – would at least feed the base with a steady diet of outrage and resentment, giving the GOP a solid chance of taking back the White House in 2020 with a halfway sane and competent candidate who will actually advance the party's interests.

I mean, a lot of Republicans have already publicly climbed onto the #NeverTrump wagon. But many more haven't. Probably, there are many closet #NeverTrumpers who daren't say so publicly, for fear of pissing off the voters. And I guess I shouldn't underestimate the irrational fear and loathing of Clinton. But, come on, y'all – President Trump is the last thing you want, if you have any hope of recovering from this thing in the long term.
posted by escape from the potato planet at 9:20 PM on August 17, 2016 [23 favorites]


Dreams in the Shite House

Artw (and the rest of you Lovecraftians), never stop doing this kinda thing.
posted by Existential Dread at 9:20 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think it may be a case of there being so few viable candidates to turn it over to. The people Liberals are excited about are Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

Yeah, but who else do we hear anything about? As someone who doesn't have the time/energy to follow politics obsessively, yeah, I'm kind of in a position of waiting for the media to tell me who the next big things are. Maybe I'll pick my favorite of the next big things, but I'm not going to find them until someone points them out. And that's not exactly happening.
posted by Sequence at 9:21 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


So, long story short, Trump's history of lying might actually mean he's somewhat safer with state secrets than one might expect of a person who can't keep a secret because nobody will believe him.

Well, that's all true to a point. It becomes a big game of "and so clearly I can not choose the glass in front of you!" Except for one thing. If you give him real information that is verifiable by the subject, like say, NK missile information, and he blurts... at the very least you lose the use of that source again. You might get someone killed. Or you might provoke retaliation.
posted by ctmf at 9:24 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


Kaine embraces the Butter Cow

Ha ha! That sounds pretty messy. Let me read the actual article!

On a campaign tour, Kaine threw himself fully into the ...

Welp, that looks like a good place to stop.
posted by aubilenon at 9:25 PM on August 17, 2016 [6 favorites]


But, come on, y'all – President Trump is the last thing you want, if you have any hope of recovering from this thing in the long term.

A presidency is a long time. If you believe that Trump isn’t actually an existential threat to the United States, it’s not too hard to argue that, hey, four years of power is plenty of time to put some shine on this turd. It’s also a chance to push an overtly Republican agenda, since you’ll control the house and Senate, and you’ll get a few Supreme Court noms in the mix.

This, of course, also presupposes that you still believe Trump can be elected.
posted by Going To Maine at 9:26 PM on August 17, 2016 [2 favorites]


I want to see the phrase "fielding a mouthful of fried pork" in more political reporting.

David Cameron is on his way out, though


so, not looking good
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:27 PM on August 17, 2016 [12 favorites]


Re: the ageist stuff: Eh, the guy leaving the office is pretty young.
posted by notyou at 9:29 PM on August 17, 2016




Since it's a new thread and all I wanted to point out that Dinild is now taking place on twitter and also tumblr so you can pick your poisonplatform when you want to absolutely horrifyentertain your friends and enemies.

TRIMP
MAKE AGAIN make
posted by komara at 9:47 PM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]


An Introduction To Field Organizing (by a veteran democratic organizer). Fascinating read... it's really incredible how deep all this goes, and just how thoroughly Trump is shitting the bed on it all.
posted by Itaxpica at 9:48 PM on August 17, 2016 [19 favorites]


Why are many Republicans still loyal

Part of it is Reagan's 11th Commandment: Thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican. Add the strict ideological purity of the Bush / Cheney Administration, in which dissent (within the party) was punished and minimized. Then followed by the frantic, but no less strict, ideological rigidness of the teabaggers, plus the whole very rigid, no compromises, obstructionism. So all that plays a part. It's a long established check on Republicans. (And there were times in the dark days of 2000 and 2004 when I wished Democrats had similar discipline.)

The other part is just old-fashioned political maneuvering. I publicly support Trump because, if he wins, I'll get a seat at the table. If he loses (and I'm sure many of the public endorsers hope so), no one can assail me for being disloyal to the party, and I still get a seat at the table. It's a very cynical win-win.
posted by honestcoyote at 9:49 PM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]



#sayswho on Twitter is some humorous before bed reading.
posted by Jalliah at 9:51 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


Yeah, but who else do we hear anything about?

This is the consequence of the 2010 and 2014 Democratic wipeouts, the bench was completely decimated, and there are no up and coming next generation of Democratic candidates with national exposure. The Congressional leadership is basically stale boomers, and Martin Omalley is about the only credible (former) governor at the state level, because the Dems have lost so many state houses as well. 4-8 years of a Clinton presidency may hopefully help that situation, but at the moment the Democrats are limited to established players of the last generation. Warren is a relative newcomer, but not a spring chicken, because her past life as nationally renowned expert and champion of consumer rights was what gave her progresive credibility in the first place. If Clinton had not been on the scene, I don't want to think about a Democratic free for all between Bernie, sad Biden, and a host of nobodies plus Omalley.
posted by T.D. Strange at 9:57 PM on August 17, 2016 [8 favorites]


An Introduction To Field Organizing (by a veteran democratic organizer). Fascinating read... it's really incredible how deep all this goes, and just how thoroughly Trump is shitting the bed on it all.

I would've omitted the "canvasser pissed himself rather than find a bathroom" anecdote, myself. Ew.
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 10:03 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


This is the consequence of the 2010 and 2014 Democratic wipeouts, the bench was completely decimated, and there are no up and coming next generation of Democratic candidates with national exposure.

Tulsi Gabbard, Julian Castro, Eric Garcetti, Kamala Harris, Kristen Gillibrand, Cory Booker, John Hickenlooper... that's off the top of my head.

I don't want to think about a Democratic free for all between Bernie, sad Biden, and a host of nobodies plus Omalley.

Not bad, really. Maybe with Booker sniffing around.
posted by dw at 10:10 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


>My theory for a while has been: Nocturnal home hemodialysis

Hmm, see the problem here is that we have to apply BOTH Trump's First Razor and Trump's Second Razor to the facts at hand.

Trump's Second Razor says that he either is being attacked on the health issue (projection) or is worried about being attacked (pre-emptive projection).

Trump's First Razor says that we must ascertain the stupidest possible scenario that can be reconciled with the available facts and that answer is likely correct.

So, an actual serious health problem like kidney failure is a serious situation--not stupid at all.

No go. We have to think stupider here.

I'm going with:
  • Health scare - routine medical test comes back positive, leaving you to stew about all the horrible possibilities before further testing reveals nothing really serious; stress and/or lack-of-sleep symptoms that look like they might, instead, be something cardiovascular until further testing rules it out--that type of thing
  • Ordinary run-of-the-mill health issues that any 70 year old might face and that are actually no big deal, but that threaten Donnie's masculinity and self-esteem or whatever
Take something like that, add a heavy dose of catastrophizing by Donnie and his inner circle, and there you go.

The main point, though, is (as pointed out up-thread): "Most negative things he says about others are actually describing him. Read his tweets with that in mind."

When he starts talking about Clinton's health, don't start thinking about what's up with Clinton's health--start thinking about what's up with Trump's health. Then think as stupid as possible. Good--now you're getting close!
posted by flug at 10:25 PM on August 17, 2016 [15 favorites]


A long read from Timothy Shenk in The Guardian: “The dark history of Donald Trump's rightwing revolt”
posted by Going To Maine at 10:35 PM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


When he starts talking about Clinton's health, don't start thinking about what's up with Clinton's health--start thinking about what's up with Trump's health. Then think as stupid as possible. Good--now you're getting close!

He's having problems with chronic constipation?

It makes me kinda grumpy and bitter...
posted by Jalliah at 10:36 PM on August 17, 2016 [1 favorite]


Since it's a new thread and all I wanted to point out that Dinild is now taking place on twitter and also tumblr so you can pick your poisonplatform when you want to absolutely horrifyentertain your friends and enemies.

two observations:
1) the human body is an endless landscape of moist, shaggy horrors that rolls ever onward toward the horizon

2) the best part of this is that all of the photos are tagged as having trump in them, and are presumably showing up in media searches for His Orangeness
posted by murphy slaw at 10:39 PM on August 17, 2016 [11 favorites]


IBS

Irritable Brains Syndrome

Or maybe just a bad case of the twitters.
posted by Hairy Lobster at 10:44 PM on August 17, 2016 [3 favorites]


I hope the moderator is Rick Deckard.

"You're not helping. Why is that, Donald?"

"I like tortoises that weren't flipped over, okay? Probably a murdering rapist anyway."
[fake]
posted by ckape at 10:46 PM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


Seen in the internets:
Knock Knock
Who's there?
Says
Says who?
The Polls All Of Them
posted by humanfont at 10:53 PM on August 17, 2016 [21 favorites]


TRIMP
MAKE AGAIN make


Late-stage democracy.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 11:02 PM on August 17, 2016 [5 favorites]


On the other hand, a Clinton presidency – as awful as that might be in the minds of Republicans – would at least feed the base with a steady diet of outrage and resentment, giving the GOP a solid chance of taking back the White House in 2020

I've been thinking that the metaphor I want to use is, "Clinton may drive the country in the wrong direction for four straight years - but she won't be driving it off a cliff."

There is also the detail that neither party has viable candidates lined up for 2024. (Clinton would, presumably, run again in 2020.) The Confetti Candidates on the Republican side aren't going to coalesce into 3-5 in the next four years, and the Democrats are all going to look like right-wing reactionaries after this season. And as mentioned, the current batch of candidates is all seriously not-young.

In 2020 or 2024, we may be seeing a pack of 35- to 40-year old candidates, born in the early 80's with almost no conscious memory of a pre-internet world, drastically changing the way political campaigns are done. Look for a pack of YouTube vloggers running their pre-formal-announcement campaigns without acknowledging that TV media exists.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 11:10 PM on August 17, 2016 [4 favorites]


Late-stage Stage IV democracy.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 11:16 PM on August 17, 2016 [7 favorites]


Late-stage Stage IV democracy.

At this point it's terminal.
posted by qcubed at 11:30 PM on August 17, 2016


the Democrats are all going to look like right-wing reactionaries after this season.

This needs a citation, or at least a clarification. The Democratic party sure as heck isn’t going anywhere, and if there’s something to be learned from Clinton v. Sanders it’s the reminder that the politician who can form the best coalition will win. “The left” as such right now is a broad collection of issues that aren’t necessarily that philosophically unified beyond “government isn’t inherently awful, and maybe let’s not destroy the social safety net.” (For instance, both Clinton and Sanders are just fine with drone warfare, an issue that ticks off many harder lefites.) Meanwhile, a bunch of Rs/“independents” just might be up for grabs if the party can figure out how to do the right outreach, and presumably that outreach will be to the right. After all, it’s Johnson, not Stein, who is primarily picking up the third-party vote right now.

Indeed, to assume that Orenstein & Mann have been onto something with their analysis of the ills of our system, the real issue right now is less left v. right and more gridlock v. not gridlock. If the up-and-comers in the Democratic party keep pulling so hard to the left that all the blue dogs vanish, it’s hard to imagine that gets much better. (Though, granted, the gridlock problem is perhaps less due to positions on the issue and complete moral collapse - but moral collapse, ironically, can be cured by throwing out the current crop of bums and replacing them with better ones. The Rs don’t have to drift left, they just have to drift away from obstruction.)

Besides that, the next eight years are going to bring about a whole new raft of complicated social issues. Self-driving cars will be around, CRISPR will perhaps be getting used on babies, drones will be omnipresent... it’ll be craaazy. The problem with the Ds having decisively won on a number of social issues is that those issues suddenly stop mattering. In eight years, no one’s going to care where you stood on gay marriage because the issue will be dead and everyone will care where you stand on Gattaca. (Well, okay, not everyone, but the vast majority until the next big Trumpian earthquake.)

So I dunno. But imagining a big leftward shift in the next generation seems premature.
posted by Going To Maine at 11:47 PM on August 17, 2016 [16 favorites]


look I already told you guys Weird Facebook is going to win in 2024. it's a historical inevitability.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 12:09 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


He casts no shadow! o_O
posted by Autumn Leaf at 12:13 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


He casts no shadow! o_O

From that picture of Trump’s office, I’d assume that Don Jr. is about to be sent out in a robot powered by Ivana…
posted by Going To Maine at 12:37 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Just a friendly reminder that Michael "Says Who" Cohen said this last year in response to Ivana's (later recanted) allegation of sexual assault:
"And, of course, understand that by the very definition, you can’t rape your spouse.”
In reaction to this comment, the Daily Beast discussed why it took until 1984 before New York recognized marital rape as a crime.

This reminder is brought to you by the Republican Rape Advisory Chart, which tracks all sorts of stupid and horrible things said by Republicans on the subject (trigger warning for Republicans saying stupid and horrible things about sexual assault).
posted by zachlipton at 12:45 AM on August 18, 2016 [28 favorites]


Just a thought, but wouldn't Trump's Second Razor be more aptly named Trump's Mirror? Anything Trump says about an opponent is a reflection of himself?

(Which assumes he has a reflection, or is capable of reflection, but I'm comfortable with multiple layers of horror and irony at this stage in the game.)
posted by Devonian at 12:53 AM on August 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


Trump's Shaving Kit

Trump's Razor - when attempting to explain Trump's behavior, the dumbest explanation is usually correct.

Trump's Mirror - If Trump says something about an opponent, he's actually talking about himself.

Trump's Shaving Cream - Always assume Trump is full of shaving cream... be nice and clean.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:18 AM on August 18, 2016 [72 favorites]


Yes, yes not that kind of razor. Homina homina homonym.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:21 AM on August 18, 2016


Trump's Shaving Cream
posted by oneswellfoop at 1:46 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Homonym, Houyhnhnm, who's counting? (Apart from Mister Ed, of course.)
posted by Devonian at 2:12 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


The Breitbart guys are going to want to make their mark soon. I therefore predict shenanigans for today.
posted by thelonius at 3:57 AM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Bah, let's not wait until 2020 or 2024.

Where do Hillary and Trump stand on Skynet? Are they for or against 100% of the federal budget going to fund strong AI research? Inquiring basilisks want to know!
posted by fragmede at 4:03 AM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


I tell you what, though — these campaign megathreads have broken my usual web routine. Like, I generally start my day with several cups of black coffee and a leisurely trawl through the New York Times, the Guardian and BBC, the front page of MetaFilter, whatever links from friends on Facebook pique my interest and a few lefty sites.

I haven't done that since the conventions, y'all. It's always straight into the current reigning leviathan, to the little blue box that reads 476 new comments, show. And yeah, we're all kind of noting the velocity and volume of comments here, and trying not to narcissistically make too much of the fact that certain tropes that surface here seem to show up in the mainstream media later on.

It'd be tempting to frame this as some emerging form of real-time, non-Twitter, participatory news and analysis medium, but I think deep down we all suspect (or at least, I certain suspect) that it's all driven by that particularly unhinged oh-no-he-dint/whatever-will-he-think-to-do-next quality of the Republican candidate. Tell me we'd have biweekly 5,000-comment threads if the nominee had been, like, George Pataki.
posted by adamgreenfield at 4:11 AM on August 18, 2016 [63 favorites]


Michael "Sez Who" Cohen is claiming that they have many secret black friends, and that's why the polls are wrong. Funny how Trump's secret black friends don't show up at the rallies or have their picture taken with him or write press releases about why they support him.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:35 AM on August 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


Does his uncle work at Nintendo as well?
posted by PenDevil at 4:39 AM on August 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


Ahh, the old Canadian Girlfriend gambit.
posted by adamgreenfield at 4:40 AM on August 18, 2016 [39 favorites]


"Sez" is one of those literary conventions for expressing oral style or uneducated diction that makes no sense. There is no alternative (American English) dialectal way to say "says." A Harvard professor "sez" educated things. A stevedore "says" stevedore things. Potato, pota(h)to it ain't.

"Sez" is a thus a strictly visual writerly convention. It says (sez) "this guy speaks with bad spelling."

I guess it saves writing one letter.

/favors IPA spelling for all writing
posted by spitbull at 4:41 AM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


(PS that might be the single most MetaFiltery comment I've ever written. Says who? Say what?)
posted by spitbull at 4:48 AM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hopefully the issues we're seeing the edges of, given the popularity of these politics mega-threads demonstrates why Mefi style moderation won't scale to larger, more active sites like Twitter or Reddit, and that it's not strictly an issue with resource allocation.
posted by fragmede at 4:49 AM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


I was just thinking yesterday that I have been running to these threads to get my "latest Trumpster fire" fix and I kind of felt bad that I'm not sure where to get my Hillary updates? There are a few updates about the Hillary campaign in these threads, but it's definitely outnumbered by the Trump soap opera.

This is understandable because we are all naturally geared toward hearing about drama and the Trump campaign is not capable of avoiding drama for more than 24 hours.

It seems like no matter where I look people are talking about Trump, whether positively or negatively. Isn't this exactly what he wants? Isn't this exactly why he thinks he doesn't have to buy ads because he's getting the attention for free?

Not sure what the answer is. We cannot idly stand by while he lies and insults everyone but he's also feeding off the attention.
posted by like_neon at 4:51 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


> "Michael 'Sez Who' Cohen is claiming that they have many secret black friends, and that's why the polls are wrong."

They live in the secret states.
posted by kyrademon at 4:53 AM on August 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


Secret strategy: implement the secret plan. In the secret states.
posted by box at 4:56 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]




Funny how Trump's secret black friends don't show up at the rallies or have their picture taken with him or write press releases about why they support him.

Well, then they wouldn't be a secret, duh.
posted by C'est la D.C. at 5:01 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Here's Obama giving the game away about the secret states. There are eight of them, apparently.
posted by Devonian at 5:06 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


They live in the secret states.

That was my reaction, too. Trump is full of secrets. His taxes are secret, his plans are secret, his states are secret...ad. in.

I went with "sez" because it conveys a certain belligerence that "says" does not. Wise guys and tough guys use "sez." Michael Cohen was definitely trying to be a tough guy.

Now that I'm at my desk I can cut and paste from the article that T. D. Strange linked.
Cohen went on to say the over 100 African-Americans he has worked with during the campaign are all convinced Clinton would “pander” to their community with “no ability or intent to follow through.”

“These same individuals have all met with Mr. Trump and have engaged in significant dialogue about issues that effect their specific communities. Unanimously, these African-American Evangelical preachers all acknowledge that Donald Trump is colorblind when it comes to race and is only interested in ensuring that all Americans have the opportunity to thrive and achieve the American dream,” said Cohen.

Cohen also pointed to the crowds at Trump’s rallies as a sign polls may be off.

“I think Mr. Trump and Secretary Clinton are substantially closer than the polls indicate,” Cohen explained. “The proof is the massive 20-, 25- and 30,000-person rallies that he is attending on a multiple-time-per-week basis. In all honesty, Hilary Clinton can’t fill a Starbucks even if they offered free ventis.”
So not only does he have secret black friends but he draws 30,000 people to his rallies several times a week. I guess these are some secret rallies because again there is no photographic proof of that. What I am seeing is his largest rallies are maybe a few thousand. The RNC is probably the last time that tens of thousands of people showed up in person to hear Trump speak-- and many of those people were there for other reasons.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:16 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


@RealDonaldTrump They will soon be calling me MR BREXIT.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 5:22 AM on August 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


So here's what I've been trying to figure out: if you're a member of the Republican establishment, and are solely concerned with the well-being of the party, isn't there a pretty clear case to be made that a Trump win would do far more damage to the GOP than a Trump loss? I mean, Candidate Trump has already wreaked so much chaos that serious observers are wondering whether the party will survive. President Trump would be an agonizing, four-year commercial for anyone but the GOP.

Expecting republicans to act for the collective good of their party is to misunderstand what a republican is.
posted by srboisvert at 5:23 AM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


And let's not forget Kaine's Razor: "iPod iPhone icant TAKE It anymore! I'll stick with the Motorola."
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:24 AM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


>@RealDonaldTrump They will soon be calling me MR BREXIT.

Soon they will be calling you "presidential loser" and later "The guy who ran the worst campaign in modern history" but MR BREXIT is what you're going with?

OK.

OK.

OOOOOOK.
posted by Tevin at 5:24 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


What does MR BREXIT even mean??? What are we going to secede from? Reality??
posted by C'est la D.C. at 5:26 AM on August 18, 2016 [20 favorites]


@RealDonaldTrump They will soon be calling me MR BREXIT.

Most Americans:Mr Whatsit?
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:26 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


He means he'll shock the world by winning and then everyone will be regretful and the Economy will crash. Interesting strat.
posted by Potomac Avenue at 5:27 AM on August 18, 2016 [38 favorites]


Whereas Egg McMuffin is MR BREFIX.
posted by valkane at 5:29 AM on August 18, 2016 [61 favorites]


Trump brags about his rally crowds but how many of them are there to support him and how many are there to see a show. It's tempting to see the crazy close up and personal, so I bet there's a lot of lookey loos.

And how many of his people who 'never voted before' all the folks he claims to be bringing in are registered to vote? This is where the GOP voter suppression is going to bite ol' Donnie in the ass. Those people better be getting busy making sure their Drivers License or State ID with the picture says the correct address. And that they have registered and get to the proper place to vote at the proper time.
posted by readery at 5:29 AM on August 18, 2016


Time for Clinton's crew to start stressing how much a Trump victory will cost many voters.

Ok, they want some BREXIT magic? Start talking about how f'ed up the UK economy already is from that insane choice. It's costing thousands of jobs and billions of Euros already and it has t even started.

Seems to me that reminding people that a Trump win would sink the retirement savings of tens of millions of Americans (generally educated ones especially) would be worthwhile. Start saying what investors already are discussing: the high likelihood of chaos in stock markets if Trump were to win and enact his proposed trade policies, just for a start.

For the poorer folks, stess the immediate impact on the prices of food, transportation, and basic consumer goods of a radically protectionist and anti-immigration government. Make it dark. Let people secretly calculate what they have to lose personally.
posted by spitbull at 5:32 AM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


@RealDonaldTrump They will soon be calling me MR BREXIT.

I was certain that must be the @RealDenaldTrump parody account but it's... not?

Did he wake and bake and get, like, super fucking high this morning? What is he even trying to say?
posted by dersins at 5:33 AM on August 18, 2016 [20 favorites]


Also too remember when Trump seemed not to know what BREXIT even was?
posted by spitbull at 5:35 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'll repeat this every time it comes up -- the polls weren't off in Brexit.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 5:41 AM on August 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


Brexit was an upset election in which a xenophobic, radically protectionist policy plan unexpectedly won over the flawed-but-workable status quo that everybody thought would prevail. Trump is just trying to rub some of that magic juju on himself. It's just word association.

That's what a lot of his campaign rhetoric is: it's just a mishmash of words, concepts, and catch-phrases that resonate with his supporters, strung together haphazardly and set to a familiar, insistent, rhythmic cadence.

It's a different kind of rhetoric than we like here on MeFi, but its power should not be discounted. Many people use language that way. It's very common. It's also frequently linked with mental illness, but as we all know only the poor are crazy—the rich are merely eccentric.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 5:42 AM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


"Michael 'Sez Who' Cohen is claiming that they have many secret black friends, and that's why the polls are wrong."

"Our black friends support us in secret
They all think Trump's great don’t you know.
You liberals just don’t understand them
But soon you will bow down to us so!"
posted by octobersurprise at 5:46 AM on August 18, 2016


I'm pretty sure we could convince his target demo that Brexit is a brand of tasteless fiber breakfast biscuits.
posted by schadenfrau at 5:46 AM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


20-, 25- and 30,000-person rallies

I say this sincerely: I want to see the receipts. Because last I heard he was yelling at fire marshals because the venues he'd booked were a long way from being that large. Is he seriously, still, routinely getting 25,000 people at his rallies?
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:49 AM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Brexit is Breitbart-approved (WashPo):
Bannon is close to Nigel Farage, the former head of the right-wing U.K. Independence Party, who offered “massive thanks” to Breitbart News for supporting the party’s successful campaign on behalf of Britain’s departure from the European Union. “Your UKIP team is just incredible,” Bannon told Farage during an interview after the June Brexit vote.
posted by peeedro at 5:49 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Did he wake and bake and get, like, super fucking high this morning? What is he even trying to say?

I'll repeat this every time it comes up -- the polls weren't off in Brexit.

I think that's the only interpretation of the MR BREXIT tweet that makes sense. The Donald woke up, turned on his massive array of televisions (1989 magnavoxes) to the talking heads, saw that everyone was doing "SAYS WHO" knock knock jokes, then reminded himself that most of the polls for Brexit had a decent lead for remain up until the last week when they narrowed to a dead heat.
posted by dis_integration at 5:54 AM on August 18, 2016


Our black friends support us in secret

The mother of all reverse Bradley effects, just you wait.
posted by spitbull at 5:55 AM on August 18, 2016


Was the BREXIT tweet from an iPhone or an Android phone?
posted by ardgedee at 5:58 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


He fell asleep to Bannon talking Brexit, maybe as kind of a cheerleading speech "the world is changing, the people as rising up against the status quo and only YOU Mr Trump can lead them!!!"

He woke, blinked his piggy little eyes, reached for his phone and typed 'They will soon be calling me MR BREXIT.'
posted by readery at 6:00 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Er, I'm sorry, not a dead heat, but a shift to a sure lead for brexit in the last weeks. But the pundits definitely said it still wouldn't happen, showing how people often can ignore the polls right in front of them.
posted by dis_integration at 6:00 AM on August 18, 2016


Michael "Sez Who" Cohen is claiming that they have many secret black friends, and that's why the polls are wrong. Funny how Trump's secret black friends don't show up at the rallies or have their picture taken with him or write press releases about why they support him.

"The lurkers support us in email."
posted by dersins at 6:01 AM on August 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


Yeah, both Brexit and the Trump primary victory were ultimately vindications of polling data. In both cases the actual result was pretty close to the poll prediction. Pundits weren't saying these things would never happen because of data, they were saying they would never happen because they're completely stupid. Unfortunately, being completely stupid is not a guarantee of failure, whereas being down in polls still seems to be.
posted by jackbishop at 6:04 AM on August 18, 2016 [22 favorites]



@RealDonaldTrump They will soon be calling me MR BREXIT.


2016's remake of "In the Heat of the Night" had some odd casting and script choices.
posted by splen at 6:04 AM on August 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


I think that's the only interpretation of the MR BREXIT tweet that makes sense...most of the polls for Brexit had a decent lead for remain up until the last week when they narrowed to a dead heat.

That's the only way I can parse it, too -- 'Some people are saying the polls show Clinton in the lead; but, folks, I'm a winner and I'm going to win so big, just like that Brexit guy in England beat Jermain in that election they had.' [fake, if that needs be said]
posted by cjelli at 6:05 AM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]



He's obviously completely unprepared and unfit to fill the role, and is likely to go down in history as the most incompetent American president ever, all under the Republican banner. He's shown zero loyalty to party principles, leaving little reason to believe that he would advance those principles once in power (or indeed that he would advance any principles other than keeping the media spotlight on himself by saying and doing awful things)


#neverzaphod
posted by solotoro at 6:06 AM on August 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


(I went there, too, splen. Sidney Poitier Our Man From Queens is not.)
posted by adamgreenfield at 6:10 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


@RealDonaldTrump They will soon be calling me MR BREXIT.

Won't that cause brand confusion? Will they have to change the signs on all the buildings? MR. BREXIT Steaks?

I mean, I understand the impulse to move away from a brand that has been tarnished/tainted, but he really needs to think through his strategy here.
posted by nubs at 6:18 AM on August 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


If the Presidency were a figurehead position, and if Trump were a hoopy frood rather than a frothing hatemonger, I might feel a lot better about this whole election thing.
posted by Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The at 6:18 AM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


What does MR BREXIT even mean???

Maybe it's like Mr. October
posted by thelonius at 6:21 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Mr Brexit, huh?

Well, UKIP - Farage's party and the party of Brexit - has fallen apart, collapsed in the polls and is currently in the middle of a massive squabble over who's going to inherit the ashes.

So, yeah, that works for me.
posted by Devonian at 6:25 AM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


(although, to be fair, that's also true of Labour. The process of Brexit itself is proving to be like passing a puffer fish that's inflated itself in the lower digestive tract - if you don't shit it out, you'll probably die of internal wounds and the neurotoxins; if you do, you'll die through the massive bleeding and trauma. But so far, the critter's not moving - really, we still have no idea now what's going to happen- because NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MINDS STICKS A LIVE PUFFER FISH UP THEIR ARSE.

Yes, still angry Could you tell?)
posted by Devonian at 6:33 AM on August 18, 2016 [81 favorites]


For the new thread, update on the yard sign commentary from the previous thread: I did see the first house in my new neighborhood (within Rockville, MD; I bought a house and moved in this past January) to be festooned with yard signs. I'm not talking one, I'm talking three or four. And they seemed to understand both the "display to traffic" and "make a point to neighbors opposite" approaches, as the signs were placed both parallel and perpendicular to the curb. [real]

And they were for Trump. [real]

I was very upset at seeing that, and I still am. Just bummed.[real]

I was surprised at exactly how upset. [fake]


I'm just going to go hug the 538 forecast page for MD, which shows two flat lines for Clinton at 99.9% and Trump at <0.1%.
posted by seyirci at 6:45 AM on August 18, 2016 [23 favorites]


NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MINDS STICKS A LIVE PUFFER FISH UP THEIR ARSE.

I can get behind that.
posted by kingless at 6:47 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Oh, huh, you found Montgomery County's Trump voter.
posted by jackbishop at 6:48 AM on August 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


They will soon be calling me MR BREXIT.

Coming out of my cage
And I've been doing just fine
Those polls are getting me down
Because I want it all
I stir some shit with a tweet
Gonna win, winning's sweet
Just keep letting me tweet, just keep letting me tweet.
posted by Superplin at 6:50 AM on August 18, 2016 [23 favorites]


Oh, huh, you found Montgomery County's Trump voter.

I found Pittsburgh's Ben Carson fan! It was when I was househunting in the spring and one of the cars in the driveway of the house we were looking at had a Carson bumper sticker and I was like, 'Oh, bless your heart." (The house itself had scripture passages painted on to the walls, and little crosses painted above every window. So, yeah.)

Also, Pittsburgh's Ted Cruz fan lives up the block. Bumper sticker still firmly affixed to car.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:51 AM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Oh, huh, you found Montgomery County's Trump voter.

Probably an Eastern Shore transplant
posted by phearlez at 6:54 AM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


The leadership of the Tories and of the GOP didn't believe that ethnic nationalism is a problem within the white community anymore. That's why they assumed the polls were skewed.

I have some sympathy for the ordinary Brexit and Trump voters. There are reasons - not good reasons mind you, but understandable and sometimes even legitimate reasons - for voting as they did.

But I have nothing but scorn for the political leaders whose selfishness, wilful blindness and utter indifference to the danger of their rhetoric created these conditions.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:59 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Because last I heard he was yelling at fire marshals because the venues he'd booked were a long way from being that large. Is he seriously, still, routinely getting 25,000 people at his rallies?

I think Trump/Coren is calculating what the numbers would be if #incompetentfiremarshals let everyone in.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 7:00 AM on August 18, 2016




> What does MR BREXIT even mean???

Within days of the Brexiteers' unexpected success, most of them had quit or scurried away, terrified.

Devonian, Farage's quitting preceded UKIP's collapse, as you say - his personality held it aloft - but the money behind UKIP has hinted darkly at a new populist/far-right party to replace it. Still early days; I've no idea how well it'd poll.

But I assume Trump wants the association with a perceived upset against "the establishment", and ignorance triumphing over experts.

Watching these threads from the UK, all I can (repeatedly) say/plead to Hillary supporters is: don't be complacent (as we were).
posted by Quagkapi at 7:11 AM on August 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


his personality held it aloft
"personality"
posted by adamgreenfield at 7:13 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Not complacent at all here. Did another evening of phone banking in MA. Got to make some conversions to volunteers. People do seem to require an incredible amount of hand holding though.
posted by peacheater at 7:15 AM on August 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Yeah in my few weeks of phone banking I have not talked to a single person on the phone or volunteer in the call center who has said "Yeah, I support Hilary but she's got this thing sewn up, I'm not worried."

It's all "You betcha I'm going to vote, we can't let this guy get elected!" Obviously that's a self-selecting group (you're a volunteer, or interested enough to be on a call list) but I'm heartened to discover that nearly everyone I interact with (so far as they say!) is taking this very seriously.
posted by Tevin at 7:19 AM on August 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Re: the ageist stuff: Eh, the guy leaving the office is pretty young.

Re the ageist stuff: obsessing on the age of the candidates in general is not so cool. We can discuss their health and fitness and qualifications without harping on particular calendar ages, or pigeonholing them with some generational label we have a personal prejudice against.
posted by aught at 7:23 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


> Did another evening of phone banking in MA. Got to make some conversions to volunteers. People do seem to require an incredible amount of hand holding though.

I'd like to hear more about what you mean by the 'incredible amount of hand holding' (having just read and thoroughly enjoyed Itaxpica's link to 'THIS ELECTION IS FREAKING ME OUT, WHAT CAN I DO!? (An Introduction to Field Organizing).)
posted by moody cow at 7:35 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I like how Mister Brexit scans.
MIS-ter BREX-it

Kind of like
DOC-tor EV-il
posted by angrycat at 7:35 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Re the ageist stuff: obsessing on the age of the candidates in general is not so cool.

Both Trump and Clinton are only about 70 years old. I don't think either of them has enough life experience to be qualified for this office. We need someone with more maturity.
posted by Faint of Butt at 7:36 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]



I think Trump/Coren is calculating what the numbers would be if #incompetentfiremarshals let everyone in.

Riiiight I know that was meant to be tongue-in-cheek but seriously the rally where he first complained about the Fire Marshals being in the pay of Big Hillary there were 1000 people inside the room and 1000 in the overflow room. Maybe they had a thousand or even two outside-- so even if the Fire Marshals kowtowed to MR BREXIT we are still talking less than 5000.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:38 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Both Trump and Clinton are only about 70 years old. I don't think either of them has enough life experience to be qualified for this office. We need someone with more maturity.

Wait do you want us to vote Chtulhu or Smaug?
posted by Zalzidrax at 7:38 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


We need someone with more maturity.

May we see your ID?
posted by y2karl at 7:39 AM on August 18, 2016


Come on, Cthulhu waits dreaming in drowned R'lyeh - he probably has pillows!

No, the malignant deity for us this election year is Nyarlathotep.
posted by winna at 7:42 AM on August 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


MIS-ter BREX-it

Clap. Clap. Clapclapclap.
posted by box at 7:46 AM on August 18, 2016 [28 favorites]


I'd like to hear more about what you mean by the 'incredible amount of hand holding' (having just read and thoroughly enjoyed Itaxpica's link to 'THIS ELECTION IS FREAKING ME OUT, WHAT CAN I DO!? (An Introduction to Field Organizing).)

I really enjoyed that link as well!

By hand-holding I meant that even when people are enthusiastic about volunteering, they're having a lot of trouble figuring out how to volunteer. One issue is that a lot of the volunteering is hidden inside hillaryclinton.com/events, which people don't think to look at since they think of volunteering as distinct from events, maybe?

Second, once people find that link, they can enter their zip code and get a list of volunteer events near them. Unfortunately the volunteer events seem to be organized haphazardly and not in chronological order. For example, what the potential volunteer really needs to know is that there is phonebanking at 11 Beacon St. in Boston, MA every weekday from morning till night. Instead there are a bunch of distinct events, with titles like Phonebanking, Sept 20th, Phonebanking, Aug 19th, Phonebanking Aug 18th and the order in which things appear seems rather random? This makes things needlessly confusing and causes volunteers to think there are fewer volunteering opportunities than they are. Still, I was able to personally wade through that stuff and see that basically there were volunteering opportunities every day to phone bank or canvass in NH. Most potential volunteers need this to be spelled out for them.

A lot of people don't want to just get that information on the phone though - they're at work and can't talk now and would like an email with the info. Which is fine, and understandable, but the volunteering opportunities are not super complicated and would only really take a couple minutes to tell them on the phone. Instead of which I send them an email (I have one drafted and ready to go - but I think this is another thing the campaign should try to draft beforehand), to whatever emails they have provided and cc the campaign head organizer etc. All of which takes time I could be using to make more phone calls. Then I get follow up emails with more questions.

I am providing all this feedback to the supervisors by the way, and I think their systems are improving.
posted by peacheater at 7:47 AM on August 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


MIS-ter BREX-it

MAY-or DEW-ey
MAY-or DEW-ey
MAY-or DEW-ey
posted by Strange Interlude at 7:53 AM on August 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


Is he seriously, still, routinely getting 25,000 people at his rallies?

No. I've watched a lot of his events (livebloged some last thread)and don't recall a venue larger than 9,000. You could double that and not get the numbers they're throwing around.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:53 AM on August 18, 2016


Unfortunately the volunteer events seem to be organized haphazardly and not in chronological order.

YES! CAN CONFIRM! It's super confusing. I can't tell if they're arranged in proximity to my zip code (which, like, I live in a city, there are 10 zipcodes within 2 miles of my house, I do not need to know which events are 10 blocks closer, just any in the city limits is cool) or what but they are definitely not chronological. And if you live somewhere with a big campaign presence, the events page is OVERWHELMING. Like, there are people going every weekend to a certain farmer's market to register voters. Cool. That means that "Registering Voters at XXX Market" is on the events page like 10 times. Multiply that by every single farmer's market, every single neighborhood with a major commercial district, every single weekly phone bank, and it adds up to dozens and dozens of events in non-chronological order. I love that the campaign is doing such a huge GOTV operation here but it's hard to navigate.

I'll admit to being a whiny whinypants on the volunteering and I haven't done any yet. And I keep hearing about "volunteer orientations" but... there don't seem to be any of those on my local Events page? Are they just baked into the events themselves?

Soooo yeah. I am probably one of these people that requires hand-holding. I'm working on it.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:56 AM on August 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


They will soon be calling me MR BOOMBASTIC.
posted by PlusDistance at 7:57 AM on August 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


spitbull: I like the image of stoned Gary Johnson fucking up Putin's carefully laid plans and winning by accident amidst the carnage.

January, 2017: Putin calls the White House

Johnson: Hey, what's up?
Putin: Uh, hallo, let me speak to the President.
Johnson: That's me!
Putin: No, the president, some Gary Johnson. This is Vladimir Putin, President of the Russian Federation.
Johnson: Yeah, and you got me! Wanna go rock climbing?
Putin: What? No, we need to talk about your term.
Johnson: Can we do it while mountain biking? Or maybe horse riding?
Putin: OK, this is enough. Give me the president.
Johnson: That's me! Gary Johnson! Google me! Google Gary Johnson. Oh wait, there are a lot of Gary Johnsons. Google President Gary Johnson. And turn on "Safe Search," people put weird photos on the internet these days.


palindromic: TPM: GOPer Who Wrote Fiery Benghazi Mom’s RNC Speech: Clinton ‘Only Choice’ In Nov:

I used to work with a guy who ran a successful GOP Governor's campaign, and he said that he didn't really support the Governor's policies, and was more of a Libertarian himself, but he was "Really good at running those campaigns." After all, the Governor won. He was way higher in the company structure than I was, so I wasn't going to shout at him "THEN WHY NOT WORK FOR THE CANDIDATE YOU ACTUALLY SUPPORTED (MORE)?!?!?!"
posted by filthy light thief at 7:57 AM on August 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


Upthread: #sayswho on Twitter is some humorous before bed reading.

Taking a look:

SNL doesn't have to change a thing. #SaysWho?

"My hands are normal size." #SaysWho

"Worth $9 billion" #SaysWho

#SaysWho is now my response to everything.

We were gifted both #SaysWho and #TurdTornado in a single day. What a time to be alive.


Heh. (Indeed.)
posted by RedOrGreen at 8:00 AM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


There's a limited amount of venues that can even hold 25-30k people. Tomorrow for example, Trump is at a sports complex place in Michigan. Saturday they're having community league hockey games. It might hold 6-7000 people if you stuffed them in. He's not selling out Ford Field, or even the Breslin Center.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:00 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Regarding the writer of the Benghazi Mom speech, a quote from the mentioned op-ed:

As a political speechwriter, that was something of a home run moment for me. The New Yorker called the speech "the weaponization of grief."

I ... don't think this guy understands the point that The New Yorker was trying to make.
posted by tocts at 8:00 AM on August 18, 2016 [33 favorites]


>No, the malignant deity for us this election year is Nyarlathotep

Everyone makes fun of the Tzeentch or Tzbust people, but I for one believe the insane chaos prophets who forsee that the Changer of Ways still has a secret and very, very complicated plan to win it all.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 8:04 AM on August 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


Is the Trimp stuff safe for the squeamish? I don't have any brain-bleach on me.
posted by pxe2000 at 8:05 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


#SaysWho
#ManyPeopleAreSaying
posted by C'est la D.C. at 8:07 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


pxe2000:

It's disturbing, vaguely-Trump-shaped flesh lumps, often with tiny mouths. Kind if like a Chris Cunningham video. So probably not.
posted by argybarg at 8:08 AM on August 18, 2016


I'm Mr Brexit
Get schwifty

is what I hear
posted by Sauce Trough at 8:09 AM on August 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


Another thing about the events page is that there are surely folks like me who would like to volunteer our time and skills but not at anything considered an 'event', at least as that seems to be shown around here. The events for my area are all voter registration and phone banking, and those things are great and awesome and necessary, but I know very well that I am not capable of doing them. (At least, not with so much Ativan under my belt that you probably no longer WANT me doing them, at that point.)

If my local campaign office could use someone to do some non-public-facing dirty work, I would be there. Can I stuff envelopes? Can I do data entry? Can I set up or tear down for events? I would be there, except I can't figure out how to get there, as my emails have gone unanswered and the same social anxiety stuff that makes it hard for me to phone bank also makes it hard for me to make cold phone calls. If I could get someone to shoot me an email and say 'Hey, show up at X day/time, we'll put you to good use sorting t-shirts" or any other boring little thing, I would be there in a heartbeat.

(I don't actually mind any of this, it's more important that the campaign get the people that it needs to do the things it needs, than that it hand-hold me through my anxiety and reach out to me in exactly the way I need so I can feel useful. But it's an interesting observation and I wonder if there might be other silent armies of would-be quiet people out there, ready to do the scut work, if we could only figure out how to reach out in the right way within our limitations.)
posted by Stacey at 8:10 AM on August 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


In the New England states, if you see one TRUMP sign on a lawn, there will be at least three TRUMP signs on the lawn. My wife and I love going "Trump, Trump, Trump!" to each other as we pass these bastions of belligerency.
posted by yhbc at 8:10 AM on August 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Tomorrow for example, Trump is at a sports complex place in Michigan.

Which mentions him not at all on their site, instead choosing to prominently feature info for women's flat track roller derby division 2 championships, which is amazing.

So obviously their business folks figured out that DIVISION 2 WOMEN'S ROLLER DERBY > TRUMP
posted by palindromic at 8:13 AM on August 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


Today is the 96th anniversary of the ratification of the 19th Amendment. It occurs to me that if Clinton wins, then she would preside over its centennial, which would be awesome.
posted by jedicus at 8:15 AM on August 18, 2016 [49 favorites]


That is why it's my goal to make it to the 2020 DNC with my daughter, who will be 6 by then.
posted by palindromic at 8:16 AM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


I would be there, except I can't figure out how to get there,

Yeah, this too. Everything on my local events page is either a phone bank or voter reg. And there are tonnnnns of those, which is awesome, but those are the only two options on the menu.
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:16 AM on August 18, 2016


LET'S go RED sox!
posted by spitbull at 8:19 AM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Just from personal experience, I don't think many hyper-local offices (where a lot of the back end work is done) are up and running yet. I know my Organizer's office is opening next week.

Also, if you sign up for an event, eventual an Organizer (or volunteer) WILL call you. From there you can let them know that you would like to do something that is not forward facing and then figure out what you can do.

From what I can tell, if you can talk to your area Organizer they will keep a profile of what kind of work you can/want to do and be in touch accordingly. But don't feel like signing up for an event is set in stone - it's a good way to get their attention.
posted by Tevin at 8:21 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]




@RealDonaldTrump They will soon be calling me MR BREXIT.

so a raging dumpster fire enabled by a discouraged and bewildered electorate?

sounds about right
posted by murphy slaw at 8:26 AM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Liberals Have the Wrong Fears About Hillary’s #NeverTrump Outreach:
...the term of art for what Clinton is doing is building a “permission structure” for Republican officeholders and Republican voters to overcome their partisan inhibitions and vote for her.

If Clinton, or any Democrat for that matter, says Trump is unfit for the presidency, it does nothing to convince Republicans, and may even make Republicans more inclined to support Trump. But if former Reagan and Bush advisers validate Clinton’s claims, other Republicans might take them seriously.
...
The danger of being too solicitous of conservatives is that it’ll bump progressives out of the opposite end of a huge, unwieldy coalition. That’s why I argued recently that the right thing for Clinton to offer her new surrogates in exchange for their support is nothing. Abandoning Trump is its own reward and there’s no reason to disrupt the liberal coalition by offering permanent policy concessions for the sake of what will likely be a one-time alliance of necessity.

And so far, that’s exactly what Clinton has offered them: squat. Republicans can support her, and in return they can preserve their dignity. Her economic policy hasn’t swung back to the center since winning the primary, and though most progressives have never been huge fans of her foreign policy, nothing suggests she’s become more hawkish or open to inviting neocons back into the government than she was before the endorsements started rolling in.
posted by kirkaracha at 8:28 AM on August 18, 2016 [50 favorites]




Shortly I'm going to be eating lunch on the sofa while watching last night's Daily Show. I will be using a pillow behind my back and I'm eating a Taco salad in a Bowl. I'm so confused. I don't know who to vote for.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:30 AM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


My wife and I love going "Trump, Trump, Trump!" to each other as we pass these bastions of belligerency.

GOP Elephant picked the Trump
and blew the fucking election
off they went with a Trumpity Trump
Trump Trump Trump

GOP Elephant picked the Trump
and trundled off to the alt-right
off they went with a Trumpity Trump
Truuuuump
Truuuuuuump
Truuuuuuuuuump
posted by murphy slaw at 8:30 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Donald Trump aide on awkward exchange with CNN anchor: ‘I think I unraveled her’.

Cohen told Yahoo News he was stunned by Keilar’s conduct during the interview. “I was shocked at the length of the silence as she stumbled to think of an answer,” Cohen said. “And when she did come up with an answer, it was so generic it could have applied to anything.”

CNN interview as Rashomon.

(Look out for the bit where he cites "more than 100 African-American Evangelical preachers" as evidence that African-Americans will vote for Trump.)
posted by rory at 8:31 AM on August 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


MIS-ter BREX-it

*clap clap clap-clap-clap*

[NOT YANKEES-IST]
posted by dersins at 8:32 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Today is the 96th anniversary of the ratification of the 19th Amendment.

And I think we're going to see a real 19th Amendment solution to Donald Trump.
posted by Sophie1 at 8:33 AM on August 18, 2016 [48 favorites]


MEET HILLARY CLINTON'S INNER CIRCLE, THE QUEENMAKERS WHO WON'T REST UNTIL SHE'S PRESIDENT
They came for Bill but left with Hillary.
San Francisco philanthropist Susie Tompkins Buell says the first time she was in the same room with Hillary Clinton was at a Bay Area fundraiser for Bill Clinton, in the early 1990s. Hillary was there to deliver the introduction for her husband, and Buell was instantly smitten—but not by the candidate. “I remember thinking, She is going to run for president someday—it should be her,” Buell, the founder of Esprit clothing, recalls. “It wasn’t that I was turned off by him, I was just so attracted to her. I could feel her dedication.”
posted by the man of twists and turns at 8:34 AM on August 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


Donald Trump aide on awkward exchange with CNN anchor: ‘I think I unraveled her’.

All these men understand is dominance. I swear this entire campaign is just a referendum on PUA tactics and how well they work on the general populace.
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:35 AM on August 18, 2016 [69 favorites]


soren_lorenson, I believe we're working off the same events page for the same city. Maybe we should show up together at the East Liberty office and stage a very quiet unassuming sit-in until they give us some envelopes to stuff very quietly.
posted by Stacey at 8:37 AM on August 18, 2016 [23 favorites]


Slightly dated news from New Mexico: Pence aims to put New Mexico in play
In a campaign foray into what’s been a reliably Democratic state in recent presidential election years, Republican vice presidential candidate Mike Pence told New Mexicans on Tuesday to ignore polls that show Donald Trump trailing in this year’s race.
...
“We’re going to put New Mexico on the board to make Donald Trump the president of the United States of America,” Pence told a crowd of roughly 600 cheering supporters in a Sandia Resort and Casino ballroom.
New Mexico is not likely to turn Red for Donnie. But there's more! Pence faces boos at rally over Trump rival (NM Gov.) Martinez
Gov. Mike Pence faced a chorus of boos from the crowd at a rally here on Tuesday after he defended Gov. Susana Martinez, a fellow Republican who has declined to endorse Donald Trump in his presidential bid.

“Let me say Susana Martinez is a dear, dear friend of mine,” Pence said in a response to a question about why Martinez and other Republicans have not endorsed Trump.

“She’s a great governor, she’s done a great job for New Mexico,” Pence said Tuesday, drawing boos from the crowd. Pence had spoken with Martinez just a few hours earlier at the Republican Governors Association summer meeting in Aspen, Colorado.

Trump and Martinez do not have a warm relationship, with the GOP nominee saying in May that the New Mexico governor “has got to do a better job.”
The first article notes "The turnout for Tuesday’s town hall meeting at Sandia Resort was far smaller than for Trump’s rally in May, which drew an estimated 8,000 people."
posted by filthy light thief at 8:38 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Re Hillary events, there's naught all way out in teahadist country where we live, but there is a Pride parade in Dallas in Sept, where my 13 year old and I will be joining the Pride for Hillary contingent. We're headed to the craft store this afternoon to pick up sign making materials.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 8:42 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


All these men understand is dominance. I swear this entire campaign is just a referendum on PUA tactics and how well they work on the general populace.

Gotta love how a 'wtf you stupid man' incredulous reaction gets translated into 'Ha. You see? She didn't know what to say. I gots her , hardy har."

What is kinda awesome though is that I checked out his twitter and that tweet is full of 'says who' responses and people laughing at him. Haven't checked this morning but the laughing response was the majority.
posted by Jalliah at 8:42 AM on August 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


Trump lingered last in line for brains
The one he got was sorta rotten and insane
Small hands so sad, flips birds can't land
Is Trump fast asleep a-while-he breaks his own brands

He's Trump
He's Trump
He's Trump

What's on his head?
posted by Groundhog Week at 8:43 AM on August 18, 2016 [23 favorites]


Because of all of you* I've just made my first ever financial contributions to political campaigns: one to Hillary and one to Katie McGinty (running for Senate in PA).

It seems especially wonderful that this is on the 96th anniversary of women getting the vote. (And also just days before my grandmother's 96th birthday!)

So thank you for convincing me to get off of the sidelines. (But I'm still not getting anywhere near a phone bank. Nuh uh. Never. Nope. No way.)

*with a hat tip to Trump, who reminds me much too much of my narcissist mother

posted by mcduff at 8:43 AM on August 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


I signed up to do phone banking on Saturday. I'm terrified, and will definitely be hitting the Klonopin beforehand, but our generally kickass mayor will be present and I've met him before so that's giving me some comfort space (although, I mean, it's not like we're chatting buddies or he'll even remember me; this is all in my brain). Once I'm there, I plan to ask about opportunities for data entry and other non-public-facing tasks, if any are available, but I am steeling myself even to go out and canvass (ack!) if that's what they need. I'm determined to do my part in this.

What was frustrating for me was to see how few events were available. I realize it's early days yet and they're still setting up their offices, and although Arizona is a surprisingly swingish state this go-round, it's not a huge campaign priority. Still, we have an important senate race where we might actually get rid of that numpty McCain, and I just imagined that in this big metro area there would be more going on.
(It's also annoying because it's keeping me low on the leaderboard on the surprisingly enjoyable Hillary app, since I can't rack up the big points by committing to/checking in at/inviting friends to events. I mean politics are important and all but what about my game stats.)
posted by Superplin at 8:43 AM on August 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


Who can forget the 50,000 people that rallied for McGovern 5 days before his 49 state landslide*.


* loss
posted by chris24 at 8:45 AM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


I think this is all just n-dimensional chess.

And n = 0.
posted by srboisvert at 8:45 AM on August 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


The events for my area are all voter registration and phone banking, and those things are great and awesome and necessary, but I know very well that I am not capable of doing them.

This. I've checked for nearby volunteer opportunities a few times, but it's 80% phone banks, and the rest is canvassing, voter registration, etc. I am some combination of: introverted; undiagnosed social anxiety; just plain misanthropic / antisocial. So that's not gonna happen.

If someone could, like, drop off a box of envelopes at my apartment for me to lick, I'd be all about it. But it seems like the vast majority of the work that needs to be done is social. My state is already going so hard for Clinton it's not even funny, so I guess it's no huge loss anyway.
posted by escape from the potato planet at 8:46 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


> MEET HILLARY CLINTON'S INNER CIRCLE, THE QUEENMAKERS WHO WON'T REST UNTIL SHE'S PRESIDENT

Yeah, that's an interesting article. My favourite bit:
Philanthropist Swanee Hunt, who spends much of the money she inherited from her Texas oilfield magnate father, a conservative, on progressive causes and candidates, has a similar memory. In October 1992, she organized a fundraiser in Denver called “Serious Women, Serious Issues and Serious Money,” aiming to raise a million dollars for Bill Clinton’s presidential campaign. Hillary was one of the key speakers. “I sat there in the audience listening to Hillary talking about the economy, and I thought, Holy Toledo, how can someone stand up there with no notes and sound like the head of the World Bank or Federal Reserve?” Later, Hillary called to thank Hunt for her contribution, Hunt recalls. “I said, ‘Oh, actually it isn’t for him, it’s for you.’”?
posted by moody cow at 8:47 AM on August 18, 2016 [29 favorites]


I think this is all just n-dimensional chess.

And n = 0.


11-dimensional tiddlywinks
posted by murphy slaw at 8:48 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


so just think about how many women in this guy's life have looked on in silent stunned revulsion
and each time he thought *winning*
posted by angrycat at 8:49 AM on August 18, 2016 [49 favorites]




I actually would rather door-knock than phone-bank. I do better in-person and I'm not even remotely tempted to argue with people, I just want to collect their data and move on. I wouldn't even mind phone-banking, but am hesitant to do the at-home version of that because I don't have a landline and sometimes my cell reception is not great. I spend all day doing tech support over the phone, so talking on the phone isn't exactly my favorite thing, but I can do it. It just needs to be on a weekend because I work and then I have a kid to pick up from daycare and feed dinner, etc....

I'll get on this this week, though. I promise.
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:51 AM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


So is Mr Brexit supposed to be Donald, or his father?

On the last day of the campaign we learn that Mr Brexit was the name of Fred Trump's business when Donny was a child
posted by GameDesignerBen at 8:54 AM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons
The Justice Department plans to end its use of private prisons after officials concluded the facilities are both less safe and less effective at providing correctional services than those run by the government.
Outsourcing doesn't work for services where there should be no justification or incentive for economic gain? You don't say ....
posted by filthy light thief at 8:58 AM on August 18, 2016 [25 favorites]


Private prisons is like the one economic thing my libertarian dad and I can agree on. WHY would you create a profit-motive for depriving people of many of their rights? I'm really happy to hear about the feds doing a big homerinthebushes.gif with them. It's been a long time coming.
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:03 AM on August 18, 2016 [24 favorites]


Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons

This is a great start. Does the federal government have any authority to tell state penal systems to do the same thing?
posted by murphy slaw at 9:04 AM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Coming out of my cage
And I've been doing just fine
Those polls are getting me down
Because I want it all
I stir some shit with a tweet
Gonna win, winning's sweet
Just keep letting me tweet, just keep letting me tweet.


Now I'm falling asleep.
Florida's in the bag.
And I'm smoking the polls,
and her speech is a drag.
And I'm going to bed,
but my message is slick.
Sure, it's all in my head,

but I've got a war chest, now.
My team is the best now.
Mex... i... co...
And she's just a crook—
it's killing me.
Let's take back control.
posted by rorgy at 9:04 AM on August 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


I also needed some handholding re volunteering, mostly thanks to navigating that confusing events page on Hillary's website while doing the mental math on which events would be worth attending given traffic/commute constraints, but I'm headed to a phone banking event tonight. While I can do the phone thing (I did almost four years of call center fundraising for my university as my on-campus job/work study), I too am hopeful for some non-phonebanking volunteering options. Thanks to everybody who's reported back on their experiences! It helped me get over my anxiety about it.
posted by yasaman at 9:06 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


soren_lorensen: homerinthebushes.gif

Eh? Oh, right.
posted by filthy light thief at 9:06 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Didn't see this mentioned yet:
WIRED has never made a practice of endorsing candidates for president of the United States. Through five election cycles we’ve written about politics and politicians and held them up against our ideals. But we’ve avoided telling you, our readers, who WIRED viewed as the best choice.

Today we will. WIRED sees only one person running for president who can do the job: Hillary Clinton.
WIRED endorses Optimism
posted by asteria at 9:06 AM on August 18, 2016 [45 favorites]


(Source: seen here with more context)
posted by filthy light thief at 9:09 AM on August 18, 2016


I know it's not high on the list of most people's causes, but I am concerned about what might happen with the USPS under conservative leadership. It seems pretty clear to me that conservatives would like nothing better than privatizing the Post Office, which is exasperating to me. It's my hobby horse, I know, but I view the PO as one of our most democratic institutions. Almost everyone can get their mail right at their own house, and despite the grumbling, the mail is CHEAP. My nightmare is the mail being privatized, which would impact the most rural and poor among us--people least likely to use things like email, least likely to be able to travel to get mail regularly.
posted by thebrokedown at 9:13 AM on August 18, 2016 [81 favorites]






From the WIRED endorsement [real]:
Trump’s campaign started out like something from The Onion. Now it has moved into George Orwell–as–interpreted–by–Paul Verhoeven territory.
posted by ZeusHumms at 9:13 AM on August 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


He wants you to call him "Mr. Brexit" because "Mr. Terrible Wealth-Destroying Idea That Has No Place In America And Is Fueled By Resentment Fear And Racism" is too long to fit in a tweet
posted by prize bull octorok at 9:14 AM on August 18, 2016 [20 favorites]


Trump as Eric Cartman has real memic possibilities.
posted by spitbull at 9:18 AM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


I would say it's more like Mussolini-as-interpreted-by-Uwe-Boll territory.
posted by The Card Cheat at 9:20 AM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


INFLATED INTESTINAL PUFFER FISH / CANDIRU 2016!
posted by thatwhichfalls at 9:21 AM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


The good news is that, between “George Orwell–as–interpreted–by–Paul–Verhoeven” and “Mussolini–as–interpreted–by–Uwe–Boll,” we officially have Both Sides so that NPR can give a balanced story.
posted by nicepersonality at 9:23 AM on August 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


An idea for people who are shy and can't bring themselves to phonebank or canvas: When I volunteered in Richmond, VA in 2008 for Obama, I was really impressed by the constant stream of food coming into the Obama field offices. The main office we worked out of had an entire room filled with food: whole turkeys, trays of mac and cheese, etc. As far as I could tell, people were just driving up to the office and walking in with plates full of food.

Don't underestimate the motivating power of a plate of cookies.
posted by maggiemaggie at 9:27 AM on August 18, 2016 [36 favorites]


BREAKING NEWS: Turdnado picks Jumpthesharknado as running mate.
posted by y2karl at 9:34 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I signed up to do phone banking on Saturday. I'm terrified, and will definitely be hitting the Klonopin beforehand

It's nerve wracking at first, but doing it in person and having support helps. I hope it's great. :)

Justice Department says it will end use of private prisons

This is a great start. Does the federal government have any authority to tell state penal systems to do the same thing?
posted by murphy slaw at 9:04 AM on August 18 [1 favorite −] Favorite added! [!]


Oh please please please please please. Please. I have been good. I have been so good this year. What I wouldn't give to see those private prison fuckers face actual charges. For literally anything, at this point.

And that's like...half the Federal government's whole deal, post reconstruction, right? Protecting citizen's rights from the state(s)?

Please please please please please. I am feeling so optimistic and hopeful that this actually seems possible.

PLEASE, CTHULU.
posted by schadenfrau at 9:37 AM on August 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


rorgy:
Now I'm falling asleep.
Florida's in the bag.
And I'm smoking the polls,
and her speech is a drag.
And I'm going to bed,
but my message is slick.
Sure, it's all in my head,


Oh, good! I was hoping someone would pick up the next bit.

But surely it should be "she's going to bed"? Because Hillary is the one who gets the unfair sleep, on her fancy pillow.
posted by Superplin at 9:39 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Don't underestimate the motivating power of a plate of cookies.

Oh my god, does our field office need brownies? Find out for me, soren_lorenson! I make such good brownies. If the power of chocolate can win this thing for Hillary then by god, that is a thing that I can provide.
posted by Stacey at 9:41 AM on August 18, 2016 [20 favorites]


I want to buy a plate of chicken wings for the genius who cooked up /r/DonaldandHobbes
posted by cmfletcher at 9:42 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


How long do we think it takes for Trump to defend Ryan Lochte? If only because he's getting the shakes and needs another headline?
posted by schadenfrau at 9:43 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh my goodness I still haven't stopped thinking about this truly unbelievable, fresh-baked, breadcrumby buttery creamy mac and cheese that some saint would bring to the Long Island City phone banks in 2012. Daily. Whoever you are, if you're out there, all of us who were there 12+ hours a day still talk about you. Also I'm sorry to the person whose serving bowl I "borrowed" to bring some of the leftover food home. I still use it, if that's any consolation...This year, I resolve to be that hero. Protip: pizza and brownies are certainly fantastic but sometimes some complex carbs or fresh fruits/veggies were particularly appreciated.

Also needed, even from those who don't want to place calls or canvass themselves: suitable large and small phone bank locations (we did regular phone banks out of sympathetic coffee shops/homes and big GOTV phone banks out of donated clubhouse-type spaces; I'm sure places of worship would work great too. Still useful in deep blue or deep red areas!). Events where volunteers can run volunteer signup and voter registration efforts. Anything else that would help volunteer recruitment/voter registration gain visibility in your community.
posted by R a c h e l at 9:45 AM on August 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


Donald Trump aide on awkward exchange with CNN anchor: ‘I think I unraveled her’

You know, I've always hated the term "punchable face" for its mix of needless bellicosity, thoughtless lookism, and empty rhetorical flailing. But after watching this guy in action...

OK, I still hate the phrase. And would never deign to use it.

But I kind of understand it.
posted by Atom Eyes at 9:46 AM on August 18, 2016 [20 favorites]


I just got an invitation from the Sanders campaign to attend a kickoff event on August 24th, where "I and others will lay out some of the next steps we can take as a movement to empower a wave of progressive candidates this November and win the major upcoming fights for the values we share. We'll also talk about how you can be a key movement builder in your community for Our Revolution." (He will be addressing these meetings through remote simulcast, I take it.)

If it weren't at some guy's house I'd actually think about attending. I don't think I can do public phone banking and attend a political event at a stranger's house (with a nonzero chance of hearing Hillary bashing from attendees) in the same week. Still, I'm interested in seeing what shakes out and how it affects local races, of which we have a number of important ones coming up.
posted by Superplin at 9:49 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


And human fecal stain (and utter disgrace to the medical profession) Dr. Drew Pinsky weighs in on his "grave concerns" about Hillary's health care. That's just great!
posted by infinitywaltz at 9:50 AM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Also, if you live in area where there will be canvassing, they will need local staging areas on weekends ( like a garage or living room ) where volunteers can pick up and drop off their lists for walking around the neighborhood.
posted by maggiemaggie at 9:52 AM on August 18, 2016




> Nude statue of Donald Trump mysteriously appears in NYC

Warning - if you click through to the images, there will never be enough brain bleach in the world to un-see that rendering.
posted by RedOrGreen at 9:57 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah, hard pass on that statue.
posted by soren_lorensen at 10:01 AM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Nude statue of Donald Trump mysteriously appears in NYC

Mr. Burns: Thank you for not making fun of the size of my genitalia.
Marge: [aside] I thought I did.
posted by Atom Eyes at 10:01 AM on August 18, 2016 [15 favorites]




The Hank Hill like butt on the statue is great.
posted by pseudodionysus at 10:05 AM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Trimp was more disturbing. "Punchable face" doesn't work when there's no discernable face, just orifices and teeth.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 10:07 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


And human fecal stain (and utter disgrace to the medical profession) Dr. Drew Pinsky weighs in on his "grave concerns" about Hillary's health care. That's just great!

Christ, what an asshole.

Two or three or eighteen threads ago we were ruminating on who would be The Left's version of Donald Trump, the celebrity candidate so terrible you could never vote for them. This fucker could be running on a platform of my progressive dream wishlist and I'd have a real hard time not pulling the R lever. If it was between Dr. Drew and Donald Trump, I'd vote for Jill Stein. Arrgghh my day is worse now just for Dr. Drew having touched it in this small, inconsequential way. Dr. Drew is so terrible. Dr. Drew is the literal worst. I need to go take a walk or something.
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:10 AM on August 18, 2016 [22 favorites]


For all those who are confused by the events page or don't really want to do phone banking or canvassing but are wondering if there are other ways you can contribute: just show up at an organized event. There will definitely be a supervisor around who can figure out if there is something you can do and at least keep you in the loop. Data entry is probably definitely a need as a lot of people were working off of sheets of phone numbers rather than computers. Food is also appreciated - I saw that people were bringing in candy/nuts/cookies/trail mix etc. Some of the older volunteers were confused by the computer systems, so I was able to quickly help them out by explaining how to enter information or get to the next phone number.
posted by peacheater at 10:11 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Only tangentially related but Gawker.com to End Operations Next Week

Thanks Obama Peter Theil.
posted by soren_lorensen at 10:13 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


So, question: I do not actually have a working phone at the moment. When I read "phone banking" I guess I imagined some kind of old-school call center equipped with a bunch of phone lines, but it's dawning on me that this is unlikely.

Can I still participate if I can't use my own phone? (It's why I haven't done any of the calling from the web site, either.)
posted by Superplin at 10:14 AM on August 18, 2016


My state is already going so hard for Clinton it's not even funny, so I guess it's no huge loss anyway.

You could make calls to swing states or find competitive Congressional races and donate to them.
posted by kirkaracha at 10:15 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Superplin they had old school phones for us to use in an old school conference room. I think in off years volunteers are usually older, too, right? So they shouldn't have an expectation that people will provide their own phones. I would actually side eye the campaign pretty hard if they expected people to use their own phones, but with the caveat that I am just a person on the internet, not a...campaign person. (In my head I said that like "bird person.")
posted by schadenfrau at 10:21 AM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Omg, I am loving the nudestatues popping up, as it were, all over the country in one fell swoop of artivism. That's fantastic.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 10:21 AM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Re: Michael Moore & candidacy reasons;
it's all the Illuminati's fault.

(sorry for being late to the party but wow, very thread, such posts)
posted by farlukar at 10:22 AM on August 18, 2016


Can I still participate if I can't use my own phone? (It's why I haven't done any of the calling from the web site, either.)

Sure, they will have cell phones at the phone banking events. Just make sure to get there a bit early to ensure they don't run out.
posted by peacheater at 10:24 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


You Can't Tip a Buick: nude trumps across america.

OK, I appreciate the mocking statues, but "The emperor has no balls" was not what I was expecting. To me, that implies a reduced level of machismo not found in the rendering of his tiny penis. It's like calling him a wimp, which is weird to me.

Also, why the Freemason Square and Compass + "G" ring? Again, there are implications I wasn't expecting, and don't really buy into.

But hey, it's public art to evoke response, so bully for the artist!
posted by filthy light thief at 10:26 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Only tangentially related but Gawker.com to End Operations Next Week

From the comments: "Gizmodo, Kotaku, Jezebel, Deadspin, etc.. are all staying around. It’s just Gawker.com that will be terminated."
posted by kirkaracha at 10:26 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Trump supporters flood Canada's Trump Sandwich artist with bad reviews.

Two slices of white bread, full of baloney, with a side of Russian dressing and a tiny pickle, all surrounded by "a wall of Mexican chips."
posted by GhostintheMachine at 10:26 AM on August 18, 2016 [22 favorites]


MR BREXIT

Yeah, best damn kosher butcher in town!



Oh -- "Brexit".

I thought you were all talking about  Mister  Brisket.
 
posted by Herodios at 10:27 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Can I still participate if I can't use my own phone?

My friends who spent a week doing a volunteer vacation in Harrisburg, PA were in an office that had a pile of burner phones for that use. The impression one of my friends gave me, when I said something about using their own phones, was that the office manager was -discouraging- use of your own phone. Though that could have been an inaccurate impression on her part or my part.

Additionally, with regards to people above not getting good feedback from places to volunteer - they had decided to do this and booked plane tickets and weren't hearing much back from the person supposedly in charge of this new office. When they asked someone higher on the food chain that person told them to just show up. Which they did because they figured they already had their non-refundable plane tickets anyway, but it turned out fine.

Now, one of them who really didn't want to do phone work never the less found herself doing phone work. But she could have declined; she just felt like fuck it, she'd gone this far why would she say no to something that needed to be done? But that was something she was uncomfortable with, not something she felt really freaked out by. She said they never pushed her to do something she indicated she really didn't feel good about.
posted by phearlez at 10:29 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Clinton camp rips 'terribly weak' Trump on health records:
Trump knows that there is no issue with Clinton's health, [chief strategist Joel] Benenson told MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell, remarking that it "must be driving his ego crazy that she's outworking him, out-thinking him, connecting better with the American voters about the issues that matter in their life."
...
"They're ludicrous, they’re ridiculous, they’re trumped-up allegations because they’ve got a desperate candidate who since his convention has had his net favorable rating decline by 15 points. The man is 32 points underwater," Benenson said.

Mitchell later asked Benenson why he thought that Trump, 70, would be going after someone who is actually younger than he is by more than a year.

"Because I think he's terribly weak right now, I think his ego is probably battered because he's getting battered in the polls which he used to love to cite. I think because he's a man who’s feeling kind of – you know, a little at a loss right now," Benenson said. "He's been unraveling for weeks since the convention, going after the family of a fallen war hero, a man who gave his life to safe his troops for this country."
"Weak." "Trumped-up." Sweet.
posted by kirkaracha at 10:31 AM on August 18, 2016 [31 favorites]


And that's like...half the Federal government's whole deal, post reconstruction, right? Protecting citizen's rights from the state(s)?

Um, no: Reconstruction ended when the federal government decided they weren't really going to enforce all those pesky equal protection things TOO much.

The terrorists/insurgents won, basically.
posted by tivalasvegas at 10:32 AM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Making fun of peoples' bodies is shitty, thanks.
posted by Pope Guilty at 10:33 AM on August 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


I did my first volunteer shift at the Boston office! It was a little chaotic because a Girl Scout troop was also volunteering, but I was able to do some data entry. I know some MeFites are volunteers there--do you want to do a MeFi volunteer shift?
posted by pxe2000 at 10:34 AM on August 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


Even if making fun of people's bodies weren't shitty, I'm not clear what the statues are supposed to accomplish. Is the idea to get people to subconsciously associate Trump with revulsion and disgust?
posted by Spathe Cadet at 10:36 AM on August 18, 2016


Sure, pxe2000! I work near there so let me know what day works for you.
posted by peacheater at 10:36 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


My favorite quote from the NYC nude statue article is its last sentence. "Multiple NYPD officers had no comment on its origin."
posted by merriment at 10:36 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm not clear what the statues are supposed to accomplish.

It's a public service announcement. The more you know, the less you see.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 10:39 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


What's the over/under on an angry tweet about the statues? 1 hour?
posted by cmfletcher at 10:41 AM on August 18, 2016


There needs to be a like, "Introverts for Hillary" organization or something that has a bunch of us "I wanna help but I'm no good talking to people" on standby to swoop in and do a bunch of the non-facing stuff.

Data entry, driving people around, stuffing envelopes, running for food, etc. Those are things I would LOVE to be able to do to enable the people who ARE good at and enjoy talking to people to make more calls or knock on more doors than they would have otherwise.

I'd get started on this idea myself but I'm...not very good with people.
posted by VTX at 10:42 AM on August 18, 2016 [44 favorites]


The plaque on the statue reads 'the emperor has no balls." So a take on the emperor has no clothes which works quite well for Trump as far as I am concerned.
posted by Jalliah at 10:42 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I thought you were all talking about Mister Brisket.

Christian Slater's really good on that.
posted by Lentrohamsanin at 10:43 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


"punchable face"

I'd gin up a satirical version of Ani DiFranco's untouchable face song but that's probably less accessible than Lump.
posted by phearlez at 10:45 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Maybe the statues are meant to provoke a reaction from the man himself. Like maybe he'll get his doctor to write a letter about how astonishingly excellent and not-small his junk is.

[Somewhere in Key West, a phone rings. The ringtone is a Jimmy Buffett deep cut. Without any particular urgency, the phone's owner puts down his Corona and answers it...]
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:46 AM on August 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


What’s this about nude statues? All I see are mannequins wearing beautiful suits, absolutely beautiful, just tremendous suits, featuring all American-made Trump jackets, Trump shirts, Trump ties, such lifelike hair, absolutely the best, believe me.
posted by nicepersonality at 10:46 AM on August 18, 2016 [33 favorites]




I imagine the gross naked Trump statues will win over as many voters to Hillary as gross naked Hillary statues would to Trump.

The way this election's been going, we'll probably find out in three . . . two . . . one . . .
posted by Spathe Cadet at 10:47 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


You know... I don't like the naked Trumps. I mean, besides the obvious eyesore that each is, all I can think is how upset I would be if this were Hillary.
posted by maryr at 10:49 AM on August 18, 2016 [36 favorites]


Wait do you want us to vote Chtulhu or Smaug?

Treebeard. And at the inauguration, they have to use his full name so the ceremony takes like a day and a half.
posted by Celsius1414 at 10:49 AM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Donald Trump’s Crucial Pillar of Support, White Men, Shows Weakness

Yep, that crucial white pillar.

/cough
posted by Celsius1414 at 10:51 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


There needs to be a like, “Introverts for Hillary” organization or something that has a bunch of us "I wanna help but I'm no good talking to people" on standby to swoop in and do a bunch of the non-facing stuff.

Can you convert your unused volunteer time to cash?
posted by Going To Maine at 10:51 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yep, that crucial white pillar.

is this some sort of Freemason code
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:51 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Donald Trump’s Crucial Pillar of Support, White Men, Shows Weakness

Yep, that crucial white pillar.

/cough


You were supposed to turn your head, first.
 
posted by Herodios at 10:52 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


[Somewhere in Key West, a phone rings. The ringtone is a Jimmy Buffett deep cut. Without any particular urgency, the phone's owner puts down his Corona and answers it...]

Why would Trump be calling Joe Biden?
posted by Etrigan at 10:54 AM on August 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


My one and only embrace of the statues is of the belief that it is designed to provoke a reaction from the man.

I mean, a naked statue of Mitt Romney? Jeb Bush? There's no humor in that, you'd want to just give them a hug.

But this fucking guy? Poke him where it fucking hurts.
posted by angrycat at 10:55 AM on August 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Poke him where it fucking hurts.

right in the net worth!
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:57 AM on August 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


My one and only embrace of the statues is of the belief that it is designed to provoke a reaction from the man.

My immediate thought was of the Simpsons epsiode, Brush with Greatness:

MR. BURNS: Marge, a word please.
You know, I'm no art critic, but I know what I hate.
I don't hate this.
Your painting is bold but beautiful.
And incidentally, thanks for not making fun of my genitalia.

MARGE: I thought I did.

But I'm worried about this one; not the reaction from He, Trump, but the reaction from his supporters and the form it will take. We're at a dangerous nexus of misogyny and violence. Then again, we always are.
posted by nubs at 11:00 AM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


If Trump ignores the naked statues, they'll be a three-day gigglefest and drop into history after Trump's next public gaffe.

If he attempts to sue the creators for "defamation," or makes a big noise about this "horrible" slander, he'll manage to (1) bring it to the awareness of people who don't pay attention to "freak news" from NY and SF, and (2) inspire a series of gifsets and other spinoffs, showing the statues with his quotes next to them.

The sensible approach would be, of course, to make a mild statement about "I think it's very insulting and I wish people would focus on serious issues, here's my talking point of the day that I'd rather we discussed." Any votes on whether Trump's going to do that?
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 11:02 AM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


The artist who painted that nude portrait of Trump with a micropenis got assaulted by Trump supporters, IIRC.

So the statues are...yeah. Poking a bull that will almost certainly not charge at the people who erected the statues, but will likely charge.

OTOH, I'm not really sure that anything is going to stop that aging, raging bull from fucking up everything within sight, so, you know. Sure.
posted by schadenfrau at 11:02 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Poke him where it fucking hurts.

right in the net worth!

Relatedly, (though perhaps already linked?) E. Alex-Jung at Vulture has the list of jokes Donald Trump allowed and banned at his Comedy Central roast. So yes, the net worth is indeed where it hurts.
posted by Going To Maine at 11:04 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Instead of naked statues that perpetuate a culture of body shaming, how about an enormous poster that says DONALD TRUMP WANTS TO MURDER THE INNOCENT RELATIVES OF TERRORISTS. I mean, he does, or at least did, and we're not talking about it enough. We've talked about the size of his junk too much already.

The moral high ground is not the place that says "It's okay to make fun of people's bodies if they really deserve it". Fuck that noise. Trump deserves to lose this election even if he had the body of an Olympic gymnast, because he's a dangerous disinformed maniac. I don't want caricature statues of Clinton showing up in response, even if the people who make those statues think that Clinton really deserves it because BENGHAZI or whatever.
posted by 0xFCAF at 11:04 AM on August 18, 2016 [31 favorites]


so here's what I hope. Here is my hopeful fantasy for the future.

I hope that year after year people keep putting up nude Trump statues. I hope that people are putting up nude Trump statues long after this wretched election is over. I hope people keep putting up nude Trump statues long after Trump's political career is over. I hope that people keep putting up nude Trump statues long after Trump is dead.

I hope that 100 years from now people will still be putting up small-penised statues of a naked tubby blond man, without having any clear idea of who the small-penised naked tubby blond man really was, not out of any conscious political motivation but just because they think he's a funny figure and it's a funny tradition. I hope that Trump's ultimate impact on America is to serve as the inspiration for something roughly equivalent to the shitting figurines in Spanish nativity scenes.

I hope that some day that Trump will mean gentle mockery and weird fun and a sort of charming acknowledgement of the frailty of human bodies and the futility of human ego, rather than representing stupidity propped up by blind force, that his body will be a little joke, rather than patriarchy and white supremacy and capitalist-worship and wealth-worship made brutally material.

I hope that there's a Singularity, and that after this Singularity, some tiny shard of the vast shared machine-and-human hive mind that will gradually subsume all material on Earth and then all material in the solar system and then all material in the galaxy into its unimaginably enormous omnicalculating self will every so often think of a statue of a small-penised naked tubby blond man and quietly chuckle to itself, without quite understanding why it finds this idea funny.

This is what optimism looks like, here at the end of the world.

if I had made this statue, the plaque would have just read "ye Mighty."
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 11:06 AM on August 18, 2016 [41 favorites]


I have to say after a year of hearing this racist fuck say Americans don't win anymore it's pretty great to see African-American women crushing it at the Olympics.
posted by kirkaracha at 11:06 AM on August 18, 2016 [50 favorites]


I'd gin up a satirical version of Ani DiFranco's untouchable face song but that's probably less accessible than Lump.

Wait, Lump? I thought it was referring to Weird Al's Gump...

[i keed i keeed]
posted by qcubed at 11:06 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


my prediction is he won't comment on the statues. It doesn't provide him a high profile target, unless he wants to blame DiBlasio or Cuomo somehow.
posted by zutalors! at 11:07 AM on August 18, 2016


There's no humor in that, you'd want to just give them a hug.

I have yet to encounter a naked statue that invoked that particular emotion in me. Neither Mitt nor Jeb would be the first.
posted by maryr at 11:07 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


if I had made this statue, the plaque would have just read 'ye Mighty.'
Look on my junk, ye Mighty, and despair!

posted by kirkaracha at 11:09 AM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Instead of naked statues that perpetuate a culture of body shaming, how about an enormous poster that says DONALD TRUMP WANTS TO MURDER THE INNOCENT RELATIVES OF TERRORISTS.

So, while I understand the point, and agree with it, I don't think it's wrong to also assume that those in Trump's camp probably don't give a shit about the innocent relatives of "terrorists".

Largely because they think anyone from that part of the world is inherently one, and terrorists==bad, etc.
posted by qcubed at 11:10 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


So this is where y'all have been hanging out.
posted by drezdn at 11:10 AM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


So this is where y'all have been hanging out.

I stopped paying attention for like I swear a DAY and had to go hunting.
posted by Pope Guilty at 11:12 AM on August 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Donald Trump’s Crucial Pillar of Support, White Men, Shows Weakness

I wonder if it's because they're so fragile?
posted by qcubed at 11:12 AM on August 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


a naked statue?

But this fucking guy? Poke him where it fucking hurts.
If you want to be president
You gotta have your health and fitness
The American public has a right to know
If you know what I mean

So we're takin' you to down to Walter Reed
It's such an intimate setting
You've been talkin' real big for all these months
So now you know what your getting

You have to take a physical, physical
You have to take a physica-a-a-al
You gotta turn your head and cough,
Your head and cough
Let me see you turn your head and cough

You have to take a physical, physical
You have to take a physica-a-a-al . . .
Apologies to Olivia Newton-John, and a tip o' the topper to the late Dow Thomas
posted by Herodios at 11:13 AM on August 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


SOMEWHERE IN FORT MEADE, A WEEK AGO:

Agent Heskins: "He might still win"
Agent Carlton: "Yeah"
Agent Heskings: "We'll be toast"
Agent Carlton. "Yeah"
Agent Heskins: "Activate Operation Orangemandias?"
Agent Carlton: "Yeah"
Agent Heskins. "Do it"

FORT MEADE: TODAY

Agent Heskins: "Seen Twitter?"
Agent Carlton: "Yeah"
Agent Heskins: "The Village did a good job"
Agent Carlton: "Yeah"
Agent Heskins: "Got the candidate briefing there?"
Agent Carlton: "Yeah"
Agent Heskins: (reads) ""The Agency has put maximum resource into tracing the originators of the statue outrage." Think he'll take us seriously now?"
Agent Carlton: "Yeah"
Agent Heskins: "Yeah"
posted by Devonian at 11:15 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


>> So this is where y'all have been hanging out.

> I stopped paying attention for like I swear a DAY and had to go hunting.


I love that the chief concern of so many of the people participating under inscrutable pseudonyms in a long-running heated political discussion that's hidden deep in non-front-page threads on an old-fashioned website from the 1990s is how to help a political campaign without actually talking to anyone.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 11:16 AM on August 18, 2016 [88 favorites]


Also, as a public work of art, installed in multiple public spaces, with no obvious renumeration or profit-seeking motive attached — any passerby can experience it for free — it is a repudiation of a standard bearer for the excesses of private wealth on that level, as well.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 11:17 AM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Seriously, Green Party?
posted by tonycpsu at 11:18 AM on August 18, 2016 [13 favorites]


Only tangentially related but Gawker.com to End Operations Next Week

i hope univision turns it into an all trump hate all the time site filled with righteous chancla rage
posted by poffin boffin at 11:22 AM on August 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


also w/r/t anxious pseudonyms on hidden threads participating in politics, it strikes me that metafilter is maybe the most cyberpunk place in the world. we're basically a minor plot point in a William Gibson novel come to life.

But like not one of the early novels where he was trying to seem cool and hip and cutting edge, instead one of the recent-ish ones where you can tell he's gotten older and doesn't care about seeming cutting-edge and just wants to talk about clothes and vintage word processors instead.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 11:23 AM on August 18, 2016 [22 favorites]


Which mentions him not at all on their site, instead choosing to prominently feature info for women's flat track roller derby division 2 championships, which is amazing.

So obviously their business folks figured out that DIVISION 2 WOMEN'S ROLLER DERBY >
TRUMP


This reminds me of something.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 11:24 AM on August 18, 2016



Seriously, Green Party?
[Jill Stein's running mate, Ajamu Baraka] has a distinguished record as a human rights activist and a teacher. What he does not have, however, is any political experience whatsoever. Consequently, he lacks the sort of verbal filter that political pros develop early in their careers. On matters of race and racism, his words tend to recall the militant rhetoric of Malcolm X. He has, for example, called Barack Obama an "Uncle Tom" and—though he supported Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) in the primaries—has said that the Vermonter is committed to "Eurocentrism and normalized white supremacy." A little fringy, but not too far out of the mainstream.

On other matters, however, Baraka's history raises a few more eyebrows. He's been in the habit of associating with 9/11 truthers, for example, as well as Holocaust deniers. He himself has embraced various conspiracy theories, such as the notion that MH17 was not downed by pro-Russian insurgents in Ukraine, but instead by anti-Putin Zionists. So, in other words, the Jews are behind everything.

It is hard to know exactly what constituency Stein felt she would be courting when she chose Baraka. However, the Veep should theoretically be someone who is capable of "sitting at the desk," as President Obama puts it. Nothing in Baraka's past suggests that he has that capacity. So, the conclusion here is the same one we reached with Jill Stein yesterday: The Green Party is failing to seize the day, with choices all-but-guaranteed to preserve their fringe, 0.36% of the vote status. The sad thing for the Greens is that Bernie Sanders showed there is support for a Democratic Socialist in America, but Stein and Baraka are the wrong messengers.
-- Zenger (Christopher Bates), Electoral-Vote.com
posted by Herodios at 11:24 AM on August 18, 2016 [29 favorites]


Instead of naked statues that perpetuate a culture of body shaming, how about an enormous poster that says DONALD TRUMP WANTS TO MURDER THE INNOCENT RELATIVES OF TERRORISTS.

Most people I know who are considering voting for him would consider that a selling point, not a negative.

It's really really difficult to combat such evil, hatred and insult without sinking to its level, as people who would be convinced by a high-minded argument probably would have been already. Not that it isn't worth the effort, just that I am slightly more willing to forgive assaults on his person because I don't think arguments are going to work anymore, all we have is antagonism to demonstrate how combative and irrational he is.

I will say, however, that it's a kinda lazy piece of art, and a lazy joke. I will also say that hearing Trump declare "I do too have balls! The biggest balls, the best balls, you'll all see, these balls are AMAZING!." would be pretty fun for me. I'm accepting a lot of shittiness this election cycle, this is a minor example. Insults directed at pudgy white dudes, focusing on their gentialia are pretty damned low on my priority list right now.
posted by neonrev at 11:24 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Ugh, I'm so not a fan of the statues. It makes our side look shallow and petty. Making fun of people for their appearance is the kind of thing Trump does. It's a gross thing to introduce into politics, and a gross thing to do in general. I really hope the statues are quickly forgotten.
posted by a mirror and an encyclopedia at 11:28 AM on August 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


chancla?

I'm still waiting for someone to ask Jill Stein if she was paid to attend that Russia Today banquet in Moscow with Putin and Trump's military adviser, Michael Flynn. (Flynn has admitted being paid for it.)

In the meantime: CNN: Anti-science claims dog Green Party's Jill Stein
"We should not be subjecting kids' brains especially to that [wireless internet including wifi] ... Scientists don't know for sure if these technologies are safe for children, and as a doctor, I'd rather take precautions until the research is more conclusive."
posted by msalt at 11:29 AM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


(i am probably guilty of making jokes about his hair, though)

(i contain multitudes)
posted by a mirror and an encyclopedia at 11:29 AM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Oh, huh, you found Montgomery County's Trump voter.

Finally, someone I can blame for the inexplicable Confederate soldier statue by the old courthouse, which is now covered in a wooden box because somebody painted "Black Lives Matter" on it. I'll bet he's real torn up about that.
posted by hyperbolic at 11:31 AM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Who started the whole penis size thing during the primaries?
posted by Artw at 11:31 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I hope that Trump's ultimate impact on America is to serve as the inspiration for something roughly equivalent to the shitting figurines in Spanish nativity scenes.

first of all how dare you profane the glorious caganer tradition in this vile way
posted by poffin boffin at 11:31 AM on August 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


Yeah I wanna say Trump's hair, virility, and dick size are fair game to the extent that he's made them part of his campaign (OH GOD WHAT DID I JUST EVEN TYPE WHY), but like...mocking him for not having those things sort of buys into the assumption that they matter at all?

Otoh, as someone else said upthread, fuck that guy.
posted by schadenfrau at 11:34 AM on August 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


> I will say, however, that it's a kinda lazy piece of art, and a lazy joke. I will also say that hearing Trump declare "I do too have balls! The biggest balls, the best balls, you'll all see, these balls are AMAZING!." would be pretty fun for me. I'm accepting a lot of shittiness this election cycle, this is a minor example. Insults directed at pudgy white dudes, focusing on their gentialia are pretty damned low on my priority list right now.

I disagree. I think this is a pretty smart piece of art, aside from the lame slogan on the plaque which really should just read "ye Mighty" instead.

Because bodies are hilarious. These things we're in, they're absurd, they're ridiculous, they're all lumpy and sweaty, they're fragile, they stink on a regular basis, they fart sometimes, they're always falling apart even in the best of situations... and Donald Trump haaaaaates being in a body. Recall that Marla Maples allegedly never saw him naked — that he'd only disrobe in total darkness — and recall that he apparently hasn't been seen in public without a suit-jacket on in years. Recall the heroic measures he takes to put up a shallow patina of virility — the expensive malfunctioning hair implants, the artificial tan, the surreal defensiveness about hand-size jokes — even though he's not fooling anyone, not even himself.

A big chunk of Trump's painfully-visible-on-the-surface insecurity can absolutely be derived from the fact that he's 70 now, 70 goddamned years old, and no one as shallow as him will ever love his body, ever, no matter how much power he gathers up for himself.

Trump's not running for President. He's running from his own naked body. He's running from the mortality his naked body signifies. And now his naked body is on display across America.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 11:37 AM on August 18, 2016 [53 favorites]




Making fun of people for their appearance is . . . a gross thing to do in general.

i am probably guilty of making jokes about his hair, though


There is no shame in being human -- either physically or verbally. Just maintain a sense of proportion* about things and a sense humour / humility about oneself.


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* So to speak.
posted by Herodios at 11:38 AM on August 18, 2016


That Baraka article is weirdly phrased: the “Uncle Tom” statement is fine but out of the mainstream, but also he hangs out with 9/11 Truthers and Holocaust deniers, and that’s the real problem.

I agree that the latter is worse than the former, but I think it’s also possible that people who tend towards extreme language in politics also tend towards extremes in their other beliefs.
posted by Going To Maine at 11:38 AM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


I wouldn't really call his hair part of his body anyway. It's clearly a weave. (The classiest, most luxurious weave.)
posted by soren_lorensen at 11:38 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


The GOP’s Chances of Holding the Senate Are Following Trump Downhill:
Donald Trump’s post-conventions polling slump seems to be having an effect on the Republican Party’s U.S. Senate candidates. We thought this might happen: There’s been an increasingly strong relationship between how a state votes for president and how it votes for Senate over the past few election cycles. And, indeed, Trump’s tumble has coincided with worsening GOP numbers in key states. It may cost the party the Senate.
posted by kirkaracha at 11:43 AM on August 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


> Anti-science claims dog Green Party's Jill Stein

This headline broke my brain a little, cause I thought for a second they were calling Green Party's Jill Stein an anti-science claims dog. and I'm like, "what's a claims dog?"
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 11:47 AM on August 18, 2016 [55 favorites]


> what's a claims dog?

Violinist linked to JAL crash blossoms
posted by a mirror and an encyclopedia at 11:48 AM on August 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


Sorry to loop back up to this, but...on the Dr. Drew article, my read is that he was saying that Hillary Clinton's health was probably reasonably fine all things considered but her medical care, based on drugs prescribed and treatment regimens, was outdated and substandard. I've never quite been on board with all the Drew hate around these parts, but really, is that not a reasonable criticism for a medical doctor to make about a publically released set of medical records?
posted by R a c h e l at 11:48 AM on August 18, 2016




Andrew Kaczynski: Sen. Sessions: Central Park Five Ad Shows Trump Has Always Believed In Law And Order
“He bought an ad—people say he wasn’t a conservative—but he bought an ad 20 years ago in the New York Times calling for the death penalty. How many people in New York, that liberal bastion, were willing to do something like that?”

“So he believes in law and order and he has the strength and will to make this country safer,” Sessions added. “The biggest benefits from that really are poor people in the neighborhoods that are most dangerous where most of the crime is occurring. And I think people can come to understand that if the message continues to pound away.”

Trump spent more than $85,000 to publish controversial full-page newspaper ads calling to “BRING THE DEATH PENALTY BACK!” The five men who were sentenced the rape were later exonerated, but only after they had served their full sentences. The men convicted were all black and Latino and in their mid-teens.

Their wrongful conviction settlement, which ran into the millions of dollars, was sharply criticized by Trump. He wrote an op-ed in the New York Daily News in 2014 calling the settlement a disgrace. He later tweeted in response to criticism, “Tell me, what were they doing in the Park, playing checkers?” One of the exonerated men later blamed Trump for helping turn public opinion against them.
BTW, for those who don't know about Jefferson Beauregard "Jeff" Sessions III--yes, he's proudly named after two slave-owners, one of whom was a traitor--he's the guy who thought the KKK was totes cool until he found out that some of them smoked pot, accused civil rights organizations of being un-American and/or communists, and in general seems to have a hate on for civil rights for anyone that isn't a straight Christian white dude.
posted by zombieflanders at 11:52 AM on August 18, 2016 [20 favorites]


MSNBC - First Read: The One Way Trump's Shake-Up Makes Sense
... But there is one strategic way it makes sense: Team Trump views the 2016 presidential contest as a race to 40%. Under that scenario, you somehow assume that Libertarian Gary Johnson will get more than 15% of the popular vote, and that the Green Party's Jill Stein will get more than 5%.

And then you make a play for the base to carry you across the finish line. It's essentially the game plan that helped elect -- and then re-elect -- controversial Maine Gov. Paul LePage in 2010 and 2014. Of course, there's a problem with this base play: If the 2016 presidential race is a contest to 40%, well, Hillary Clinton probably gets there first, especially with Trump's percentage currently sitting in the 30s in many key states. And it's doubtful that Johnson and Stein will get a combined 20%-plus of the vote; it will likely be half of that -- if not less.

Down in the polls and outflanked for now in the battleground map, Trump had two ways to go: One, try to broaden his appeal by changing his message and approach. Or two, double down on everything that's gotten him this far. Trump has chosen Door No. 2, which is something 95%-99% of political professionals wouldn't advise.
[factish]
posted by ZeusHumms at 11:52 AM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I'm like, "what's a claims dog?""

Not much, what's up with you?
posted by komara at 11:52 AM on August 18, 2016 [34 favorites]


I kinda feel like "Uncle Tom" is one of those things it's not cool for non-black folks to use. Especially non-black folks who are white. But ymmv.

(Also, the best way to keep up with the threads that I've found is just going to tags/election2016.)
posted by asteria at 11:52 AM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Wait, no, what I meant to say is that Trump's hairpiece is not a hairpiece at all - it's actually a henway.
posted by komara at 11:53 AM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


TIME SAVING IDEA FOR SELF:
  1. write script to locate current metafilter election thread.
  2. write script to post "the horror.... the horror...." to current metafilter election thread every six hours or so.
  3. leave script running until election.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 11:53 AM on August 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


> Donald Trump’s Crucial Pillar of Support, White Men, Shows Weakness

“I liked Trump until he opened his mouth,” said Phil Kinney, a retired middle school administrator and a Republican from Bethlehem, Pa.


"I liked Trump until he went from being the signified to the signifier."
posted by The Card Cheat at 11:54 AM on August 18, 2016 [19 favorites]


You Can't Tip A Buick - I think if you write your script to search for "most recent Hamilton lyric as post Headline," you should effectively be able to always find the most recent election thread.

That's why we're quoting Hamilton, people. Its search code.
posted by Joey Michaels at 12:00 PM on August 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


Wait, no, what I meant to say is that Trump's hairpiece is not a hairpiece at all - it's actually a henway.

I presume he keeps his hair tonic in a Grecian urn.
posted by Faint of Butt at 12:00 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


I kinda feel like "Uncle Tom" is one of those things it's not cool for non-black folks to use. Especially non-black folks who are white. But ymmv.

I'm far from an expert, but Ajamu Baraka -- the person cited above as calling Obama an Uncle Tom -- looks pretty non-non-black to me.

The Uncle Tom business is wide of the mark anyway. As we all know, Obama's mother was 'white' and his father was Kenyan. If Americans have to be either black or non-black, he's black, but he's no more a descendant of American slavery than is African-American Theresa Heinz (Kerry).
 
posted by Herodios at 12:01 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


I'm far from an expert, but Ajamu Baraka -- the person cited above as calling Obama an Uncle Tom -- looks pretty non-non-black to me.

Yeah, and as pointed out upthread, Baraka has far worse stuff to answer for.
posted by zombieflanders at 12:05 PM on August 18, 2016


“I liked Trump until he opened his mouth,” said Phil Kinney, a retired middle school administrator and a Republican from Bethlehem, Pa.

Or, as my coworker said with no trace of irony whatsoever: "If he would just be quiet, we would be able to hear his good ideas!"
posted by Jeanne at 12:07 PM on August 18, 2016 [37 favorites]


I'm far from an expert, but Ajamu Baraka -- the person cited above as calling Obama an Uncle Tom -- looks pretty non-non-black to me.

Sorry, I misread and thought Stein was the one saying it.
posted by asteria at 12:07 PM on August 18, 2016


I've never quite been on board with all the Drew hate around these parts, but really, is that not a reasonable criticism for a medical doctor to make about a publically released set of medical records?

Well, aside from the fact that the Washington Times is a notoriously untrustworthy right wing rag, there's the actual words spoken by Drew during the interview:
Another issue that "gravely concerned" the doctors is that Mrs. Clinton had to wear prism glasses after she fell and hit her head, suffering from a concussion in 2012.

"That is brain damage, and it's affecting her balance," Dr. Drew said. "Now clearly, it hasn't affected her cognition, but tell us a little more about that. That's profound. And then number two, when they screened her for heart disease, again, they did an old-fashioned screen. It just seems like she's getting care from somebody that she met in Arkansas when she was a kid, and you've got to wonder. You've got to wonder."
This is a textbook example of the "I'm just asking questions" type of concern trolling.
posted by Atom Eyes at 12:08 PM on August 18, 2016 [29 favorites]


I'm Mr Brexit
Get schwifty


Very astute. Alas, as a nuke-obsessed and belligerent mango-a-stick, Mr. Trump, by definition, can never, ever get schwifty.

And if we are not vigilant, this specific failing of his may one day damn us all.

Though on the positive side, it also means that we may yet be spared the moment when, having exhausted all other options, he has no choice but to SHOW US WHAT HE'S GOT.

Because no one on this good, green earth deserves to have to see that shit.

Plus, we can't afford to get our pride caught up in his shame.
posted by palmcorder_yajna at 12:08 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]




Anyone who listened to Loveline in the 90's knows that's nothing new for Dr. Drew. On that show his big thing was "predicting" women who were sexual abuse survivors by how high or girlish their voice was. [Real]
posted by asteria at 12:11 PM on August 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


I, for one, look forward to the changing of the names on all those buildings from "TRUMP" to "BREXIT". (It may be the best way to recover lost business in the BREXIT TOWER)

Luring firms fleeing London? Crafty.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 12:12 PM on August 18, 2016


ok but is 'turd tornado' still a thing an adult human said on the national news

Apologies if this has been noted already, I'm not caught up with the thread yet, but saying "turd tornado" on CNN during a "let's interview a pundit" segment is not the same thing as someone saying it during an actual news broadcast.

Sadly, we barely have "news broadcasts" as such any more. Which matters only because TV personalities are often confused with reporters and/or journalists, and they are neither. Sigh.
posted by Bella Donna at 12:12 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I've never quite been on board with all the Drew hate around these parts, but really, is that not a reasonable criticism for a medical doctor to make about a publically released set of medical records?

Perhaps reasonable but as someone who is married to a person professionaly deeply interested in the reproducibility crisis in science perhaps not valid.

I'd rather have older well known and understood drugs than the new hotness myself unless I would be facing significant difficulties with an outdated drug regimen.
posted by srboisvert at 12:12 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Another issue that "gravely concerned" the doctors is that Mrs. Clinton had to wear prism glasses after she fell and hit her head, suffering from a concussion in 2012.

"That is brain damage, and it's affecting her balance," Dr. Drew said. "Now clearly, it hasn't affected her cognition, but tell us a little more about that. That's profound


I make lenses for glasses for a living. I've made many sets with prism. That is a criminally inaccurate description of the multiple reasons one might need prism set into their lenses, the vast majority of which are physiological issues with no mental effect whatsoever.
posted by neonrev at 12:15 PM on August 18, 2016 [43 favorites]




Or, as my coworker said with no trace of irony whatsoever: "If he would just be quiet, we would be able to hear his good ideas!"

There is some truth to this though. A typical election the surrogates make the borderline racist and bigoted claims. Then the candidate disavows them if they step over the line. Trump doesn't need to shut up. He needs to stay on message loudly. Wall off the Mexicans, tax cuts for all, law and order for everyone, treat everyone equally*, and run America like his successful** businesses. Litter those talking points with half-truths if you want. It'll still keep a decent amount of the "intellectual" Republicans who still think it's about low taxes and small governments and they just need a licence to hold their nose while they vote for hatred and bigotry.

* Your expectation of equality may be different than that of the vision of Donald J. Trump for President.
** In the loosest sense of the word. Shit may hit the fan but Trump always gets paid!


Let the surrogates fight his dirty battles. Let Katrina batshit insane fight with the Khans. Let some pissant house member from the racist part of Alabama fight his Mexican judges. That's what they're there for. It's unbelievable how he won't just shut his mouth, have that smug scowl on his face and look down the camera saying "You're fired Obama!". If straight after becoming the presumptive nominee he had done that he would have had the election wrapped up by now. Instead he personally drags himself into one Kobayashi Maru shitfight after another.
posted by Talez at 12:16 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


I've never quite been on board with all the Drew hate around these parts

Me, I've always felt that the worst mistake Adam Carolla ever made was not pushing him into the street.
posted by octobersurprise at 12:19 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Another issue that "gravely concerned" the doctors is that Mrs. Clinton had to wear prism glasses after she fell and hit her head, suffering from a concussion in 2012.

"That is brain damage, and it's affecting her balance," Dr. Drew said. "Now clearly, it hasn't affected her cognition, but tell us a little more about that. That's profound. And then number two, when they screened her for heart disease, again, they did an old-fashioned screen. It just seems like she's getting care from somebody that she met in Arkansas when she was a kid, and you've got to wonder. You've got to wonder."


Hear ye, hear ye: I bring good tidings. For today we bring to an end our long national quest to find the Greatest Armchair Physician in All the Land.
posted by tivalasvegas at 12:22 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm gravely concerned that Dr. Drew isn't qualified to diagnose an armchair either.
posted by griphus at 12:23 PM on August 18, 2016 [64 favorites]


"A white supremacist in Olympia, Washington stabbed an interracial couple this week, and then told police that he planned to attack Black Lives Matter protesters at a nearby Trump rally."

The victims will probably be all right. The Trump supporter managed to cold-cock himself by running into a car, so he never got to the Trump rally, and this story won't stick to Trump as it should.
posted by Countess Elena at 12:27 PM on August 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


More charitable non-giving! This episode brought to you by The Apprentice.

The Washington Post tracked all the “personal” gifts that Trump promised on the show — during 82 episodes and seven seasons — but could not confirm a single case in which Trump actually sent a gift from his own pocket.
posted by Dashy at 12:27 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Okay, I performed a bit of research into Roger Stone which I posted on my blog. (Most of the content on my blog is not political.) I became interested while looking over Amazon Reviews of his books and noticing how skewed they were. For example, 66 out of 75 reviews in the first week of the release of The Clintons' War on Women were five stars.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 12:27 PM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Heh, I wore prism glasses for a few years. I'll concede that I do have a terrible sense of humor as well, but I'm afraid I can't blame brain damage for either affliction.
posted by the marble index at 12:28 PM on August 18, 2016


WaPo Trump promised personal gifts on ‘Celebrity Apprentice.’ Here’s who really paid.
In all, the Post found 21 separate instances where Trump had pledged money to a celebrity’s causes. Together, those pledges totalled $464,000. The Post then contacted the individual charities to find out who paid off Trump’s promises.

In one case, the answer was: nobody at all.

In 2012, Trump had promised $10,000 to the Latino Commission on AIDS, the charity of former Miss Universe Dayana Mendoza. The charity said it never received the money.

In two other cases, it was not possible to determine what happened. One charity said that somebody had paid off Trump’s promise, but declined to say who. Leaders of another charity — baseball slugger Darryl Strawberry’s foundation, to which Trump had promised $25,000 — did not respond to multiple calls or emails from The Post.

In the other 18 cases, the answer was the same — on air, Trump promising a gift of his own money, off-air, that gift coming from someone else.
Ah the on-going saga of con artist and blowhard Donald J. Trump. What a figure of ridicule he is and I hope that this run for the highest office in the land becomes the greatest regret of his life. You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. [Somebody, but probably not Lincoln]

AAAH Shakes fist at Dashy!
Pipped at the post again. Well I'll just leave this for the quote.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 12:29 PM on August 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


I'm gravely concerned that Dr. Drew isn't qualified to diagnose an armchair either.

Does the armchair have a pillow on it?
posted by zachlipton at 12:30 PM on August 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


I'd rather have older well known and understood drugs than the new hotness myself unless I would be facing significant difficulties with an outdated drug regimen.

This. Coumadin and synthroid are bog-standard drugs.
posted by Dashy at 12:30 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Does the armchair have a pillow on it?

goddamn it again zach

I'm just going to wait until you're sleeping to try to make comments

wait i've looked at the overnight parts of the thread

you never sleep

who are you
posted by tivalasvegas at 12:32 PM on August 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


Dashy: Coumadin and synthroid are bog-standard drugs.

Hey, I take Synthroid, too! I share a prescription with our next president. #WINNING
posted by Superplin at 12:34 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Is Donald Trump’s Hair a $60,000 Weave? A Gawker Investigation [Updated]
This is why it is tragic/scandalous to be losing Gawker before the current electoral sh!tstorm is over. (And we have to worry whether its archive will survive - and where) But then, it's only the brand and its domain that are shutting down. The rest of the soon-to-be-renamed-Gawker-network-of-sites will live on, with some-or-most of Gawker's gawkish staff 'reassigned', most likely to the equally snarky but proudly feminist Jezebel, which will inevitably become a valuable resource during the Hillary Clinton Administration. The now-formerly-Nick-Denton network of sites has retired names before (Valleywag, where the ultimately-fatal digs at Peter Theil originated - Sploid, which was my entry point to that tangled web - and sold-off names Wonkette and Consumerist, the latter now responsibly run by Consumer Reports).
[/digression]
posted by oneswellfoop at 12:36 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


(To clarify, having prism lenses basically means that the images from each eye do not line up correctly, usually resulting in double vision, and is often caused by a variety of issues that I'll describe as 'cross-eyed', even though it's way more complicated than that, some of which are injury-induced. Prism lenses displace the image to correct this, which sometimes helps with balance issues caused by not seeing properly, the same as any other prescription can help headaches, eye strain, squinting and just plain not seeing well. Sometimes the 'cross-eyed' issue can be associated with a mental illnesses, but it's not a sign of anything of that sort to say the least.)
posted by neonrev at 12:37 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Hey, I take Synthroid, too! I share a prescription with our next president.

That's why Drew's slam was so strategically stupid -- far more people are going to have this reaction, than will say "oh, she's a goner".
posted by Dashy at 12:40 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Coumadin and synthroid are bog-standard drugs.

Isn't Armor Thyroid different from synthroid? Armor is desiccated pig thyroid, not the synthetic stuff, or am I mistaken?
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 12:41 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


ARMCHAIR FOUND DEAD AFTER STAY IN DR. DREW'S CELEBRITY FURNITURE REHAB HOUSE
posted by prize bull octorok at 12:44 PM on August 18, 2016 [21 favorites]


(That's not to endorse any criticism of Hillary for her health. I don't think there's any evidence that she's not healthy enough to be president and also would vote for "Hillary incapacitated in a back room while the country is run by the White House intern corps" over Trump.)
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 12:45 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


I both wear prism glasses and take thyroid medication!

Does that make me the most or least qualified person to be President?
posted by soren_lorensen at 12:45 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh, prism glasses are actually not uncommon for people on thyroid hormone replacement. That's why I wore them, too. If I remember correctly, it can cause a bit of swelling of the optic nerve, which can give you double vision, which the prism corrects.
posted by the marble index at 12:49 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


> goddamn it again zach

I'm just going to wait until you're sleeping to try to make comments

wait i've looked at the overnight parts of the thread

you never sleep

who are you


Although as late as 2007 most metafilter commenters were human, at this point almost all comments are auto-generated by a set of old Perl scripts developed in 2004 by several CS PhD candidates putting off working on their dissertations.

I don't have time to go into all of the natural language processing techniques used to generate seemingly intelligent (or, well, intelligish) dialogues, though I can say that the vast majority of these systems were trained off of Pynchon novels mixed with 1970s critical theory and the scripts of several Kids in the Hall episodes.

For whatever it's worth this comment marks the twelfth time in metafilter history that a script responded to a script posting incredulously about how a third script seems to never sleep by explaining that we're all scripts here.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 12:51 PM on August 18, 2016 [44 favorites]


Does that make me the most or least qualified person to be President?

That depends, do you use pillows?
posted by NMcCoy at 12:51 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


I both wear prism glasses and take thyroid medication!
Does that make me the most or least qualified person to be President?


That depends. What are your thoughts on pillows?
posted by Atom Eyes at 12:52 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Holy shit, NMcCoy.
posted by Atom Eyes at 12:53 PM on August 18, 2016 [26 favorites]


Atom Eyes and NMcCoy for co-presidents!

(I sleep with a full body pillow, which is probably the most pillowy pillow-usage that ever used pillows.)
posted by soren_lorensen at 12:55 PM on August 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Case in point. We're all scripts here.
posted by the marble index at 12:55 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


MR BREXIT

So has this been decoded? The only thing I can imagine it means is that he will announce that he intends to leave NAFTA
posted by thelonius at 12:55 PM on August 18, 2016


Yes, that's right Bulgaroktonos. One problem with being an animal-derived source it is harder to control the amount of thyroid hormone because it varies from animal to animal. Some people swear by it, though, and claim that Synthroid has too many side effects or conversely that Synthroid does not work at all on their system. I've seen many discussions about this over the years.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 12:56 PM on August 18, 2016


So has this been decoded? The only thing I can imagine it means is that he will announce that he intends to leave NAFTA

It's almost certainly a reference to a comeback from terrible polls.

Or maybe he plans to leave NATO?
posted by dis_integration at 12:57 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


> Yes, that's right Bulgaroktonos. One problem with being an animal-derived source it is harder to control the amount of thyroid hormone because it varies from animal to animal.

The problem of animal-derived products varying unpredictably from animal to animal is, incidentally, also the reason that metafilter switched from human-derived to machine-derived commenting.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 12:57 PM on August 18, 2016 [21 favorites]


MR BREXIT

So has this been decoded? The only thing I can imagine it means is that he will announce that he intends to leave NAFTA


NAFTA, NATO, basically any (international) group that would dare to tell America that it has to or can't or even shouldn't do something.
posted by Etrigan at 12:59 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]




This Is Just To Say

I have posted
your joke comment
21 seconds
before you did

and you
probably
thought it was
pretty original

Forgive me
it was funny
and we're running
on the same scripts
posted by Spathe Cadet at 1:01 PM on August 18, 2016 [69 favorites]


Evan McMullin: Donald Trump’s Intel Briefing Threat To National Security | MSNBC

You tell 'em, McMuffin! You, most of all, know the risks of having a clown at the helm of a major operation!

(But seriously, telling Donald Trump sensitive information totally *is* a threat to national security, and I hope they stuck to things it wouldn't matter if he said on Twitter. Because he will.)
posted by mordax at 1:03 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


This Is Just To Say

I have posted
your joke comment
21 seconds
goddammit.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 1:03 PM on August 18, 2016 [54 favorites]


21 seconds, SAIT!

I need debugging
posted by prize bull octorok at 1:06 PM on August 18, 2016 [27 favorites]


Allegations of anti-Semitism have surfaced against one of Donald Trump’s foreign policy advisers, raising further questions about the guidance the Republican presidential nominee is receiving... “In his final days, he allegedly lectured Mr. Crane on the details of concentration camps and how the ovens were too small to kill 6 million Jews,” wrote Meyer, whose complaint is before the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB).
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:06 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Sounds like a #WhiteGenocide dude.
posted by asteria at 1:07 PM on August 18, 2016


GOOD MORNING MR BREXIT
posted by the marble index at 1:07 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


“I do not recall ever even hearing of any ‘allegations of anti-Semitism against [me],’ which would be preposterously false and defamatory because, among other reason(s), I am quite proud of the Jewish heritage of my wife of 38 years,” he wrote in an email.

What do you mean, anti-Semitic? Some of my best wives are Jewish!
posted by tonycpsu at 1:08 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


MR BREXIT

So has this been decoded? The only thing I can imagine it means is that he will announce that he intends to leave NAFTA


For at least a month, pundits and bloggers and podcasters have been trying to warn terrify us by saying "Trump could still win this thing even though his polling is terrible-- look at Brexit." Meaning that just before the referendum most people, including the Prime Minister, assumed that the people of GB would vote to stay in the EU. Final polls showed the truth so they weren't completely taken off-guard. I believe that Trump has been told by Bannon, who was involved with thee referendum via UKIP, has been assuring Trump that bad polls are nothing, he can still turn this around and win defying all expectations.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 1:08 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


More fact-checking of Trump's About page:

'The Apprentice'...quickly became the number one show on television

Nope. Seasonal rankings ranged from a high of 7 in Season 1 and got lower every season, to a low of 113.

'The Celebrity Apprentice' has met with great success as well, being one of the highest rated shows on television.

Also nope. Seasonal rankings ranged from a high of 46 to a low of 84. Donald Trump Says 'Celebrity Apprentice' Is the No. 1 Show on TV:
Confusion over how Trump reached the conclusion that his show was the highest-rated on television — it is not — prompted several more questions about the ratings. After conceding that it is just the highest-rated show on Mondays — it is not — Trump was informed that CBS sitcom Mike & Molly has topped Mondays for the last two weeks. "That's just what I had heard," he said with a shrug.
'You’re fired!' is listed as the third greatest television catchphrase of all time.

Says who? Not here. Here either. Whatchu Talkin' 'Bout Donald? D'oh! Nopeity-nope. I pity the fool.
posted by kirkaracha at 1:10 PM on August 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


thelonius: So has this been decoded? The only thing I can imagine it means is that he will announce that he intends to leave NAFTA

See also: Donny sez NATO is ‘Obsolete,’ UN is ‘Political Game’ -- a return to American Isolationism aka US non-interventionism.
posted by filthy light thief at 1:10 PM on August 18, 2016


Dear Republicans: The Call from the Crazies is Coming from Inside the House
Wait -- what? Roger Ailes is now seen as having been an anti-establishment threat to the GOP mainstream? Didn't the GOP rely on Ailes to be its communications director for twenty years? Sure, that Tea Party thing got a wee bit out of control, but there was never the slightest indication that the Republican Party was upset at Fox News, or wanted to stop using Fox to disseminate its talking points. Why this revisionist thinking?

The truth is, Fox News has always made its audience angrier, more radical, and more conspiratorial than was good for the party in the long run. And, of course, Fox allowed Donald Trump to establish himself as a political pundit on its airwaves. But until 2016, the only negative consequence for the GOP was that its presidential nominees in 2008 and 2012 had to appease the Fox-maddened crazies, and thus ran campaigns that were too right-wing to succeed. In this cycle, though, it all came crashing down with Trump. Ailes, a guy who was extremely useful to the GOP, helped to turn it into what it is now.

But there hasn't been a clear line between establishment Republicanism and the fringe for years. Consider the rich donors who now have significantly increased influence in Trump World [...]

[...]

So Mercer cash bankrolled the campaigns of some rising stars who are very much in the GOP mainstream (Cotton) or who've been welcomed into the mainstream despite fringe beliefs (Ernst, Gardner).

The Mercers aren't barbarians who stormed the GOP barricades -- they were invited guests. For that matter, so was Trump, who gave a lot of money to within-the-pale Republicans, and whose endorsement Mitt Romney actively sought even after Trump went birther. Republicans, nobody forced you to take money from wealthy enablers of crackpots and racists. This is a crisis of your own making.
posted by tonycpsu at 1:10 PM on August 18, 2016 [23 favorites]


Is this next election going to held as a 51% majority-take-all referendum??? Tell me the [truth]!
posted by Golem XIV at 1:10 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


mordax: But seriously, telling Donald Trump sensitive information totally *is* a threat to national security

You're not the first to say this - Aki Peritz, a former CIA analyst, is one of several intelligence officials sounding alarm bells about the prospect of sharing the nation's secrets with Donald Trump (NPR, May 9, 2016)
posted by filthy light thief at 1:14 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


they can enter their zip code and get a list of volunteer events near them. Unfortunately the volunteer events seem to be organized haphazardly and not in chronological order.

I see what you mean peacheater. I put in my zipcode and got a huge number of events, but they are all pretty far away, up to 4 hours away in Dallas. What I really wanted to know is if there is anything local. Looks like there isn't, unless I want to go to Austin or Houston. I'm glad to know there are a lot of events in the big cities, though.
posted by threeturtles at 1:18 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


> I don't think I can do public phone banking and attend a political event at a stranger's house (with a nonzero chance of hearing Hillary bashing from attendees) in the same week. Still, I'm interested in seeing what shakes out and how it affects local races, of which we have a number of important ones coming up.

I've never run into Hillary-bashing at a Bernie volunteer event, and I've been to a bunch. Not saying it won't happen, but it's very unlikely, in my experience. Internet warriors don't like volunteering for actual work, apparently. (There doesn't seem to be much overlap between Hillary-bashers and people who actually support progressive causes and were willing to work to get Bernie nominated. At least, they never show up to things like this.)

If you live in an urban area, there'll probably be events scheduled at more public venues. An event in somebody's livingroom will probably fill up really quickly. Maybe check back in few days? The presentation itself will almost certainly be posted on YouTube the next day, but you'll miss the chance to meet and coordinate with other volunteers if you don't go.
posted by nangar at 1:21 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Anybody seen any Donald Trump ads yet? I'm curious as to what angle he is going to take.

Also I've been wondering about poor Paul Ryan. He must dread getting up in the morning. After all the shit that Trump piled onto his desk, now Trump hires Bannon who hates Paul Ryan.

Quartz Donald Trump’s merger with the Republican party has failed
The merger has failed. The convention was a disaster, eroding Trump’s poll numbers and failing to convince conservatives he was one of them. And while Manafort’s connections to corruption investigations in the Ukraine and now in the United States have been an ongoing distraction, he simply hasn’t been able to rein Trump in.

Now, Trump, apparently angry at efforts to point him toward the median voter, is casting off the reins. His new campaign chief executive, Stephen Bannon, a former Goldman Sachs banker turned conservative activist, has backed populist Republicans like Sarah Palin and purveyed conspiracy theories at Breitbart, launching harsh criticisms of Republican leaders deemed insufficiently committed to the cause.
Right Wisconsin Breitbart's Worst Paul Ryan Smears
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 1:23 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I just now realized that peacheater eats peaches instead of cheating peas.

I now return you to your regularly high signal-to-noise ratio.
posted by dfan at 1:27 PM on August 18, 2016 [93 favorites]


How do you know that that person doesn't cheat peas?
posted by sandettie light vessel automatic at 1:28 PM on August 18, 2016 [16 favorites]




I just now realized that peacheater eats peaches instead of cheating peas.


omg can't unsee
posted by zutalors! at 1:28 PM on August 18, 2016 [24 favorites]


the signal is coming from inside the noise
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 1:29 PM on August 18, 2016 [25 favorites]


Trump's about to drop $5m in ten days of TV ads in NC, Ohio, Florida and PA. Which is under ten percent of what HRC's spent already, but it's a start.

What they'll be like, though...
posted by Devonian at 1:31 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Thanks, nangar, that's useful information.
posted by Superplin at 1:31 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I just now realized that peacheater eats peaches instead of cheating peas.

Just like Nicolas Cage's line from Face/Off: "Ah could cheat a pea for hourrrs..."
posted by Strange Interlude at 1:32 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


> last I heard he was yelling at fire marshals because the venues he'd booked were a long way from being that large.

I don't know if it played nationally, but Colorado laughed at Trump because the fire marshal he lambasted was from the same fire department who, hours earlier, rescued Trump after Donny and his entourage accidentally locked themselves in an elevator.

$10 says Trump was embarrassed that he had to be rescued so he scapegoated the fire marshal.
posted by Monochrome at 1:32 PM on August 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


My two favorite headlines from thehill.com today: Ex-GM CEO: I've always voted Republican until now and Trump advisor accused of anti-Semitism.

And I am enjoying that even Newt Gingrich can't get behind this nonsense about Clinton's health.
posted by bearwife at 1:33 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


The next ten days is after the Olympics and before Labor Day. At a time when no one is paying attention they are going to run some ads.
posted by humanfont at 1:33 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I can't wait to see the name of the contracted ad agency on the FEC report.
posted by schadenfrau at 1:35 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


"I just now realized that peacheater eats peaches instead of cheating peas."

There's a user on another site I frequent named poorusher who might be Poor Usher but as far as I'm concerned he just doesn't take his time on the toilet.
posted by komara at 1:36 PM on August 18, 2016 [37 favorites]


> Trump's about to drop $5m in ten days of TV ads in NC, Ohio, Florida and PA. Which is under ten percent of what HRC's spent already, but it's a start.

What they'll be like, though...


Probably the most effective thing they could do is run an ad that's just a slow Ken Burns effect pan over an picture of this shirt.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 1:37 PM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]




The billionaire only makes the cheapest ad buys. He got pressure from the party about spending money on something useful besides paying his kids and hangers on and renting his own plane, so SEE HE'S DOING IT NOW. HAPPY?
posted by readery at 1:38 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


It's wrong to characterize Trump's foreign policy as non-interventionist. He wants to intervene like crazy, by bombing ISIS and stealing their oil, and by joining the civil war in Syria. And he wants to do all this without traditional U.S. allies. What he proposes is the U.S. as a rogue state.
posted by chrchr at 1:39 PM on August 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


And I am enjoying that even Newt Gingrich can't get behind this nonsense about Clinton's health.

This might be the craziest twist yet.
posted by Going To Maine at 1:39 PM on August 18, 2016


> a Trump win would do far more damage to the GOP than a Trump loss?

Republican ad campaign: Vote for the crook, not the racist.
posted by Monochrome at 1:41 PM on August 18, 2016


Maybe we could not link and repost Trump's ads endlessly when they come out.

Just a thought.
posted by kyrademon at 1:43 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


So, National Review is hosting a post election cruise.

One, given this is after the election, how much alcohol is going to be on board?
Two, hey, a convicted felon is on the headliner list!
posted by NoxAeternum at 1:44 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


> Trump's about to drop $5m in ten days of TV ads in NC, Ohio, Florida and PA. Which is under ten percent of what HRC's spent already, but it's a start.

Oh god, I've seen that face before.

That is the face of someone who doesn't know if he should be reading the thing in front of him, doodling, or put on his reading glasses because he can't actually read the document. And trying to figure out which default facial expression to use when he thinks it is important.
posted by mrzarquon at 1:46 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]




now that's shade to live for
posted by angrycat at 1:48 PM on August 18, 2016 [21 favorites]


That is the face of someone who doesn't know if he should be reading the thing in front of him, doodling, or put on his reading glasses because he can't actually read the document. And trying to figure out which default facial expression to use when he thinks it is important.

Rick Perry?
posted by NoxAeternum at 1:48 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Shade for daaaaays. That's amazing.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:49 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Well, wouldn't the NYC Parks Department be experts in shade?
posted by NoxAeternum at 1:51 PM on August 18, 2016 [47 favorites]


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration said Thursday that a $400 million cash payment to Iran seven months ago was contingent on the release of a group of American prisoners.
Dammit. Welcome to the new right-wing talking point.
posted by Mister Fabulous at 1:52 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Probably the most effective thing they could do is run an ad that's just a slow Ken Burns effect pan over an picture of this shirt.

I saw somebody wearing that shirt this weekend, and I desperately wanted to ask whether or not it was ironic.
posted by Faint of Butt at 1:52 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


What they'll be like, though...

Oh I've got an idea
posted by PenDevil at 1:52 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


upon further investigation into the trump tank muscle tee, I have discovered the one image that could make me feel good about the Bush years. slash, the most apt possible visual metaphor for the Bush administration's foreign policy.

the attention to detail on these things is incredible. note that the shark is wearing a cowbell. note that there's a shoe in the lower left corner, presumably having been thrown at Bush.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 1:53 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Have you seen Hillary's 'Never Trump' campaign buttons?
posted by zennie at 1:53 PM on August 18, 2016


> I saw somebody wearing that shirt this weekend, and I desperately wanted to ask whether or not it was ironic.

we're in a post-irony world now. that question is invalid.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 1:54 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


I saw somebody wearing that shirt this weekend, and I desperately wanted to ask whether or not it was ironic.

we're in a post-irony world now. that question is invalid.


You're right. The question we ask today is: was the shirt sarcastic?
posted by dis_integration at 1:55 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


They tried the Iran thing already before the Olympics. It was wrong then (it was money we owed Iran for the sale of some jets going back to before the Revolution) and it's still wrong.
posted by asteria at 1:56 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


NYC Parks Department won today's internets, let's all try harder tomorrow.
posted by T.D. Strange at 1:57 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


I just now realized that peacheater eats peaches instead of cheating peas.

I always assumed they did HVAC work for these guys.
posted by dersins at 1:57 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


> They tried the Iran thing already before the Olympics. It was wrong then

Yeah, but now the White House has issued a new statement that is going to seem, to them, to confirm their accusations.

Of course, "the payment [of the money we already owed them] was contingent on the release of the prisoners" is totally different from "the release of the prisoners was contingent on the payment."

You know that, I know that, but the talk radio circuit ain't gonna understand or care.
posted by a mirror and an encyclopedia at 1:58 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


"You pay us our $400 million and we'll give you your hostages."

"No, YOU release our hostages and we'll give you your $400 million."

[awkward silence]

This has been Great Moments in Diplomacy
posted by prize bull octorok at 1:59 PM on August 18, 2016 [42 favorites]


Diplomacy more often than not resembles a larger scale version of a drug deal going down behind the local Denny's.
posted by NoxAeternum at 2:01 PM on August 18, 2016 [28 favorites]


That kind of diplomatic problem is precisely why the Swiss exist [and, you know, for cheese and stuff].
posted by zachlipton at 2:02 PM on August 18, 2016


hah

Yeah, I suppose it's the fact that the US already owed the money to them that's really the important distinction here, rather than who's twisting whose arm.

If somebody like Trump had negotiated the deal, though, he'd definitely try to spin it as tough, decisive diplomacy. And it would probably work with his base.
posted by a mirror and an encyclopedia at 2:03 PM on August 18, 2016


>WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration said Thursday that a $400 million cash payment to Iran seven months ago was contingent on the release of a group of American prisoners.

Dammit. Welcome to the new right-wing talking point.


I'm sure we'll be hearing more about this, so it's probably worth remembering that, as that article notes,
The money comes from an account used by the Iranian government to buy American military equipment in the days of the shah. The equipment was never delivered after the shah's government was overthrown in 1979 and revolutionaries took American hostages at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. The two sides have wrangled over that account and numerous other financial claims ever since.
There's a huge difference between holding back on releasing Iran's own money to Iran as leverage to make sure that Iran follows through on the deal it struck and, well, whatever Trump & Co. are going to imply happened: it's the difference between 'the money is contingent on the prisoners' and 'the prisoners on contingent on the money,' to begin with. It's also the difference between 'paying Iran for...literally anything, because we're not really paying them' and 'returning Iran's own money that we've held onto for decades.'
posted by cjelli at 2:03 PM on August 18, 2016 [12 favorites]


The problem with the Iran story is that the White House has been changing the spin. First, the two things ere unconnected, then they happened at the same time because this was the first batch of intergovernmental negotiations possible after the nuke deal and these were some of the most pressing outstanding matters, now it's that the money was only going to be returned when the prisoners came back.

Which is still not a ransom, and probably a sensible and prudent provision to make, but by sliding into the story reluctantly Obama is now open to being asked 'so, what's the next spin cycle going to say?' when he could have put the whole thing out at the beginning with a very positive line and had it shut down by now.

It probably doesn't matter, but it could have been handled better.
posted by Devonian at 2:03 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


The Obama administration said Thursday that a $400 million cash payment to Iran seven months ago was contingent on the release of a group of American prisoners.

What's the big deal? It's not like they traded arms for hostages or something.
posted by octobersurprise at 2:05 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Hi, I just wanted to draw attention to a truly offensive thing that was posted in this very thread.

> Very astute. Alas, as a nuke-obsessed and belligerent mango-a-stick, Mr. Trump, by definition, can never, ever get schwifty.

How dare you insult the noble mango, king of tropical fruits? How very dare you, sir and/or madam.
posted by a power-tie-wearing she-capitalist at 2:06 PM on August 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


just wait til the guava comes ashore with her bloodriders
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:07 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


just wait til the guava comes ashore with her bloodriders

Surely you meant her blood orange riders?
posted by Special Agent Dale Cooper at 2:08 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


More of a circus peanut, really.
posted by sebastienbailard at 2:08 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


And I am enjoying that even Newt Gingrich can't get behind this nonsense about Clinton's health.


If I know anything about Newt Gingrich, it's that he loves the moon & dinosaurs and hates anything to do with sick women.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 2:09 PM on August 18, 2016 [50 favorites]


Also that he's a fucking dickbag.
posted by dersins at 2:15 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


hates anything to do with sick women

Second best burn of the day
posted by cmfletcher at 2:15 PM on August 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


I always interpreted the name by considering that "pe" is the 17th letter of the Hebrew alphabet, "ache" is pain, and "ter" is an abbreviation for terrace.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 2:15 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yeah thats not going to play well at all.

In other news, SpaceX managed to land a rocket again for reuse, and there's speculation that a nearby planet in the goldilocks zone will be announced soon. [real]

The star it is thought to be orbiting is mere decades away, if humanity would just stop bickering and put its minds to it.
posted by fragmede at 2:16 PM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


The other Manafort shoe drops: Adam Weinstein and Ken Silverstein at Fusion: “Trump aide Manafort implicated in pro-Russian protests against US troops”
In the Ukrainian government memo written last year and leaked to the Times of London this week, a senior prosecutor alleges that Manafort, in fact, “orchestrated” the Sea Breeze protests and other anti-NATO demonstrations, forcing cancellation of the exercise. “While I was in the Crimea I constantly saw evidence suggesting that Paul Manafort considered autonomy [from Ukraine] as a tool to enhance the reputation of Yanukovych and win over the local electorate,” the prosecutor wrote. Charges were ultimately not sought against Manafort sooner, he says, because vital evidence was lost after Yanukovych fled Ukraine and Russia annexed Crimea.
Sounds like a spicy charge but one lacking a smoking gun. Just my read, though.
posted by Going To Maine at 2:17 PM on August 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Just like Nicolas Cage's line from Face/Off: "Ah could cheat a pea for hourrrs..."

How dare you. That's a line from Cape Fear.
posted by phearlez at 2:17 PM on August 18, 2016


> The star it is thought to be orbiting is mere decades away, if humanity would just stop bickering and put its minds to it.

i vote we exile trump there
posted by a mirror and an encyclopedia at 2:18 PM on August 18, 2016


No Man's Sky TRUMP SKY
posted by prize bull octorok at 2:20 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Case in point. We're all scripts here.

wait... am I a script too?
posted by tivalasvegas at 2:20 PM on August 18, 2016


Don't inflict him on poor innocent aliens
posted by yasaman at 2:21 PM on August 18, 2016


It probably doesn't matter, but it could have been handled better.

Agreed; it doesn't seem like there's really anything untoward happening, but it would have been much better to either come out with a full statement right away, or else, frankly, put way more spin on this followup -- 'they were separate deals, and we asked them to deliver on that deal first as proof that this one was fine to transaction; that was good bargaining to make sure we weren't wasting any leverage we had on them, good diplomacy to stick to the agreements we made in the '70s to the degree we could, and good negotiation to revise the amount of interest we owed.'

You know, but better, because I'm not an spokesperson or a statesman. It does feel, as a spin/appearance issue, less than an ideal way of explaining what happened.
posted by cjelli at 2:21 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


do any scripts read the posts down here?
posted by zachlipton at 2:21 PM on August 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


Usually I don't like calling people names and plays on someone's name really irk me. Doesn't matter how much I don't like them or what side they're on. I've found an exception to this and Trump. Playing on his actual name (Trumpy, Trimp, Drump etc) bug me but for some reason I have no problem with all the food names that people call him.

Every time someone used a food name I spend time pondering why these food names don't cause any reaction and at times actually make me giggle. Yam, cheeto Jesus, mango, pineapple hair etc etc.

Maybe because food is just super neutral? I dunno. This election is such a mystery at times.
posted by Jalliah at 2:22 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


as a former New Yorker, I want to believe that the Parks Dep't response was in part brought about by Trump going berserkers on a NYC agency and they wouldn't have insulted his genitals but he was just such a fucking pain in the ass about getting a statement out about the fucking statues and in short, that's what Trump diplomacy gets you.
posted by angrycat at 2:23 PM on August 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


I hope that year after year people keep putting up nude Trump statues. I hope that people are putting up nude Trump statues long after this wretched election is over. I hope people keep putting up nude Trump statues long after Trump's political career is over. I hope that people keep putting up nude Trump statues long after Trump is dead.

Artistic visualization
posted by sebastienbailard at 2:28 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Finally, someone I can blame for the inexplicable Confederate soldier statue by the old courthouse, which is now covered in a wooden box because somebody painted "Black Lives Matter" on it. I'll bet he's real torn up about that.

They've been trying to move that statue, but they can't find anyone willing to take it. The county voted to move it to a Rockville city park, but Rockville rejected it.

Also, hi, neighbors!
posted by amarynth at 2:28 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


> do any scripts read the posts down here?

we try when we can but we're sort of busy right now wedging our cats into scanners.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 2:31 PM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Don't inflict him on poor innocent aliens

ALIENS: So, are you a typical human.

TRUMP: I am the best, the ultimate best of what humanity has to offer.

ALIENS: *Destroys Earth*

TRUMP: ...

TRUMP: Sad.
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:33 PM on August 18, 2016 [21 favorites]


Getting annoyed by Facebook statuses again.

"The only thing more terrifying than voting for Hillary Clinton is not voting for Hillary Clinton."

Has the right-wing propaganda machine really worked so well? People find voting for Clinton terrifying? Honestly, I just don't understand and perhaps never will.
posted by peacheater at 2:56 PM on August 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Also, hi, neighbors!

hi!

I've seen Trump signs closer to Frederick, which I've been told gets offended when you call them "Fredneck" because many of them are Montgomery County expats who wanted cheaper houses and don't want to be associated with the term [anecdotally real] (also actual rural folks who don't take kindly to being mocked [real]). The farms around Barnesville / Poolsville are surprisingly sign-free, but you'll see plenty of Obama '08 and Gore '00 (and even Kerry '04) bumper stickers.

I did see the first house in my new neighborhood (within Rockville, MD; I bought a house and moved in this past January) to be festooned with yard signs.

I parked at White Flint this morning (due to current Metro Safetrack crippling Shady Grove to Twinbrook), I'm so tempted to cruise around Rockville to find this house after work today.
posted by numaner at 2:57 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


People find voting for Clinton terrifying?

Fine, whatever, as long as their hand isn't shaking so bad that they can't punch the ballot.
posted by tivalasvegas at 3:01 PM on August 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Trump losing another demographic [humorous]
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 3:04 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


:'( that's a shameful way to honor piano cat
posted by numaner at 3:07 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Keyboard cat! Not piano cat!
posted by Justinian at 3:13 PM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]



"The only thing more terrifying than voting for Hillary Clinton is not voting for Hillary Clinton."


I think this is a direct quote from the guy who wrote the Benghazi mom's speech at the RNC, for what that's worth. He's voting for Clinton.
posted by zutalors! at 3:13 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


"The only thing more terrifying than voting for Hillary Clinton is not voting for Hillary Clinton."

Its like worst Oscar Wilde paraphrase ever.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:17 PM on August 18, 2016


Keyboard cat! Not piano cat!

it's been so long I've forgotten! noooo all my internet pointssss noooooooo
posted by numaner at 3:18 PM on August 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


haha, all your base are ours now!
posted by prize bull octorok at 3:21 PM on August 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


oh shit i forgot to put the [real] tag on all my comments from this thread.

[fake]
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 3:21 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think this is a direct quote from the guy who wrote the Benghazi mom's speech at the RNC, for what that's worth. He's voting for Clinton.

Ah, I feel better now. I thought the guy who posted it was a Clinton supporter, so I was surprised to see him put that up. But maybe he's doing some kind of stealth thing to push undecideds over the line.
posted by peacheater at 3:21 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


David Daley was on Politically Re-Active to talk about Gerrymandering and how it was leveraged in 2010 to bring us where it is. I knew it was bad - it's always been bad - but the points about how it's led to this particular bad is depressing/interesting. It also explains why the democratic party is so focused on voter drives - they are literally the only way to counter these carefully gerrymandered districts.
posted by Deoridhe at 3:27 PM on August 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


haha, all your base are ours now!

belong to us, not ours now!
posted by yellowbinder at 3:29 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


belong to us, not ours now!

That's what you say, Princess Leia. Give me my sweater back or I'll play the guitar.
posted by stolyarova at 3:32 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


A plague on all your base.
posted by Itaxpica at 3:33 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


> So, National Review is hosting a post election cruise.

Interested parties might want to confirm they're planning on coming back. Remember this, after Romney's loss? So much sad.
posted by The Card Cheat at 3:37 PM on August 18, 2016


Dana Perino (Fox News): "I will not lie to you about the state of this race"

(Does not address what she will lie to us about, but polls are apparently not one of those things)
posted by thefoxgod at 3:52 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


So, National Review is hosting a post election cruise.

something something bay of pigs
posted by murphy slaw at 3:55 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Black Republicans Growing Even More Frustrated With Trump Effort

Featuring the time the the chairman of the Black Republican Caucus of Florida was escorted out of a Trump rally (for unknown reasons) and the time Trump's chief strategist in Florida said they didn't need black votes to be elected.
posted by zachlipton at 3:56 PM on August 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


> literally the only way to counter these carefully gerrymandered districts.

Oh are we using literally figuratively again? Shaw v. Reno would say that's not literally true although I would agree that GOTV efforts are very very important.
posted by fragmede at 3:58 PM on August 18, 2016


I'm going to go out on a limb and predict we're back to a 2-3 point race by the first debate. I realize that to us that sounds ridiculous but I think it will happen.
posted by Justinian at 4:03 PM on August 18, 2016


Literally was used colloquially for hyperbole at least as early as 1769, I am so so tired of this dumb "controversy" or maybe of this dumb election

OED:

"1769 F. Brooke Hist. Emily Montague IV. ccxvii. 83 He is a fortunate man to be introduced to such a party of fine women at his arrival; it is literally to feed among the lilies."

posted by sandettie light vessel automatic at 4:05 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Intensifiers gonna intensify.

Objective reality may or may not concur.
posted by narwhal at 4:08 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]




predict we're back to a 2-3 point race by the first debate. I realize that to us that sounds ridiculous

I don't think any of us think that sounds ridiculous at all. At least I don't. If you look at the nationwide poll over time, you see the pattern. And I have no doubt Trimp will con himself into more followers and with the horse race stuff going on in the media, they'll amplify any bad news for Hillary, and there we'll be.
posted by cashman at 4:21 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


"Sometimes we get so distracted by the nastiness & nefariousness of Breitbart that we forget it's staffed by morons."

It's real poetic justice that one of the tweeters disputing Barro chose the name "Sir Wankalot."
posted by octobersurprise at 4:26 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


We're literally doing the "omg literally?!" thing again? please, no.
posted by dis_integration at 4:28 PM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Make "Literally" Great Again!

No, wait, don't. Let's just drop it and discuss the election.
posted by Nerd of the North at 4:29 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]




Holocaust deniers on the team
posted by My Dad at 4:35 PM on August 18, 2016


Trump is on time. I think that's a first.

Talks about Louisiana. No mention of CA.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 4:37 PM on August 18, 2016


Trump mentions his earlier TelePrompTer speeches. Calls the race one the law & order one. Expounds on law & order.

Now talks about leaving no Americans behind. Talks about African American children. 4 in 10 in poverty. Jobs, fair and equal representation . Mentions Hispanics.

We need to break from the failures of the past. Talks about great company, created jobs, helped neighborhoods.

Mentions how he has chosen the wrong words and said the wrong things. Says he regrets it.

Look for the pod...
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 4:41 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Who is this man? What has he done with Donald Trump?

Oh God. This is the pivot. THIS IS THE PIVOT.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 4:42 PM on August 18, 2016 [20 favorites]


Mentions how he has chosen the wrong words and said the wrong things. Says he regrets it.

That doesn't sound like the Trump we've come to know and loathe. No way that's his words.
posted by yesster at 4:43 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh. Nevermind. (chanting of "Build The Wall!"; Trump responds "we will build that wall.")
posted by Spathe Cadet at 4:43 PM on August 18, 2016


This is your pivot:

"I've never wanted to learn the language of the insiders, and I've never been politically correct. It takes far too much time. [cheering] Truthfully, it takes far too much time and can make it more difficult to achieve total victory. Sometimes, in the heat of debate and speaking on a multitude of issues you don't choose the right words or you say the wrong thing. I have done that. [laughter and cheers] And believe it or not, I regret it. And I do regret it. Particularly where it may have caused personal pain. Too much is at stake for us to be consumed with these issues, but one thing I can promise you this: I will always tell you the truth. I speak the truth for all of you and for everyone in this country who doesn't have a voice of which there are many."
posted by zachlipton at 4:44 PM on August 18, 2016


DJT: I will always tell you the truth. I will speak for those who don't have a voice. For those who don't have a job. For the veteran who has been denied the medical care they need.

DJT: I speak the truth on behalf of the family living near the border who deserves to be safe, but has no security or protection at all.

(Build that wall chanting)

DJT: We will build the wall. Our campaign is about representing the great majority of Americans who read the paper/TV and don't hear anyone speaking for them. Insiders fighting for insiders. The poverty, unemployment , failing schools, I'm fighting for these Americans.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 4:45 PM on August 18, 2016


I believe that is as close to an apology he as he is possibly capable of.
posted by zachlipton at 4:45 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


@JYSexton: Guy just said he thought Trump would lock up dishonest press after election. "You got to do something" his friend says.

So everything is the fault of the press because I guess they should not be reporting on what DJTrump actually does and says.

And Chill, guys, even if Trump pivots perfectly he still has no ground game and he still has a steaming pile of crap on record.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:46 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


This sounds like it was plagiarized from Hillary Clinton. Someone should check.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 4:46 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Maybe Ivanka is back from vacation?
posted by acidic at 4:47 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


DJT: Every day I think about how much is at stake in the election. This is our fight to save this country. I refuse to let another generation of American children be excluded from the American Dream. Let our children be Dreamers too.

DJT: Our country loses every time a child failed to graduate, be admitted to the work force, falls to drugs. I know it can be fixed very quickly if we know what we're doing. Where I come from if something isn't working you fix it. I'm running to end decades of failure and offer the American people a future of opportunity. America First.

(Chanting)
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 4:48 PM on August 18, 2016


Plus he is really good at delivering empty promises-- I will be your savior. I will sacrifice everything for you. I will love you and lead you to the promised land. [fake, fake, fake] Where is the plan? Why should anyone trust him? Where are the ideas and the policies? Cutting taxes on the richest still seems to be his main policy plus building a useless and expensive wall.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:50 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Let our children be Dreamers too.

but not DREAMers, right?
posted by acidic at 4:51 PM on August 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


Too bad he has never done anything in his life to fix those things and has gone out of his way to attack people who are of color, disabled, immigrants, of a different religion, and African American.

Because this is just nonsense from a guy with NO credibility.
posted by bearwife at 4:51 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


DJT: Aren't you tired of arrogant leaders who look down on you instead of serving and protecting you? That's about to change. How about November eighth?

DJT: We're going to put the American people first again. I will never lie to you. I will never put someone else's interest ahead of yours. I'm funding my campaign. My only interest is the American people. I'm giving back.

DJT: Sometimes I can be too honest. Hillary is the opposite. One lie after another and getting worse each passing day

(Lock her up chants)
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 4:51 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Sorry, not sorry. @SopanDeb: Trump: "So while sometimes I can be too honest..." So he believes the stuff he's said? What does he regret?

He's too honest, guise! Like when you go for a job interview and they ask, "What is your greatest weakness?" and you say, "Sometimes I am too much of a perfectionist."
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:54 PM on August 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


DJT: Hillary has never apologized. For 33000 emails, for pay for play, for Benghazi, for Iran on a path for nuclear weapons, for Iraq, for Libya, for Syria, for unleashing ISIS. Has Hillary apologized for the decisions that resulted in death, destruction, and terrorism.

DJT: Obama lied about the $400 million in cash. He denied it was for the hostages. Openly and Blatently just like he lied about ObamaCare. You can have your doctor, you can have your plan. Now putting Americans overseas at greater risk of being kidnapped.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 4:54 PM on August 18, 2016


So Trump just brought up the State dept news. He said the president lied about that, "just like he lied about Obamacare", then said it puts americans abroad, including soldiers, at greater risk of being kidnapped.

He talked about it for about 2 minutes tops, and transitioned on.
posted by cashman at 4:55 PM on August 18, 2016


"I will never lie to you... but, I mean, just for old time sake, here's a few more lies."
posted by Joey Michaels at 4:56 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Trump adviser accused of making anti-Semitic remarks

The headline really diminishes the accusations, which are that in his previous employment as Defense Department inspector general he regularly made antisemitic remarks, engaged in Holocaust denial, and boasted about having Jewish employees forced out.
posted by Joe in Australia at 4:56 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


The entire cadence and construction of those sentences is new, not just the (astonishing) sentiment. Seriously, this is as close to penitence as you will ever get from this man. Terrifying, because it could be effective. It is just coherent enough to give wavering supporters plausible deniability, cover.
posted by adamgreenfield at 5:00 PM on August 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


Oh, god, my heart is literally pounding. I really hope with all my heart that the American public doesn't buy what this man is selling.
posted by peacheater at 5:00 PM on August 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


DJT: Let's talk about the economy. Nafta. NC lost half its jobs. China. Hillary was a disaster, totally unfit. Hillary owes the state of NC an apology. You'll get it when you see the emails. Never.

DJT: Our open border has allowed drug, crime, and gangs in. I've spent the time with families whose loved ones were killed. Violence spilling across our borders (reads names of some people.)

DJT: My opponent supports sanctuary cities. Where was the sanctuary for Kate, and Laura and Sabine and ???. These moms and dads don't get apologies. They won't get the time of day from Hillary. They'll always come first for me. We will deliver justice for these great families.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:00 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Oh also, Trimp said "Hillary owns Obama's Iran policy" (trying to link in Hillary Clinton to this news)
posted by cashman at 5:00 PM on August 18, 2016


More on Joseph Schmitz, Trump's foreign policy advisor accused of antisemitism. His father happens to be Rep. John G. Schmitz, who "had the rare and almost comical distinction of being expelled from the John Birch Society for being too extreme, racist and anti-semitic. Yes, you read that right." His father was also drafted to take George Wallace's place in 1972.

It seems the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
posted by zachlipton at 5:00 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]




Bill Clinton submits cookie recipe, following tradition that started in 1992 to cries about Hillary Clinton working outside the home.

As did Melania Trump, but the Clinton angle is far more interesting than the Trump one, for once
posted by fragmede at 5:00 PM on August 18, 2016 [23 favorites]


> "I've never been politically correct. It takes far too much time."

Who among us hasn't been in such a hurry that we inadvertently called for the assassination of our opponents, insulted the religion of a grieving mother, questioned the impartiality of a judge based on his ancestry, called for a religious test for entry into a country, or stated that immigrants from a neighboring country were thieves and rapists?

Just imagine how much time NOT DOING ANY OF THAT would have taken.
posted by kyrademon at 5:01 PM on August 18, 2016 [81 favorites]


As did Melania Trump, but the Clinton angle is far more interesting than the Trump one, for once

It's a little less awesome given that he submitted the same recipe. I like that he participated (given that its almost the opposite message of the original 1992 contest, where it was basically Hillary having to appear more traditional), but the fact that he didn't have "his own" recipe to submit dampens that a bit.
posted by thefoxgod at 5:04 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


> Clinton has to apologize for Iraq?

Well, as a Senator she did vote to invade Iraq.

This is one of the issues she's taken heat on from the left. Personally, I'm willing to overlook it given that the Bush administration falsified intelligence. But it's not prima facie absurd that she should apologize for Iraq --

but in fact she has already apologized.
posted by a mirror and an encyclopedia at 5:04 PM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


It's a little less awesome given that he submitted the same recipe.

And one that he, a vegan, cannot enjoy...
posted by acidic at 5:06 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


DJT: Just think if the media investigated poverty of the inner cities, the border, our schools, or the dark secrets hidden in the emails that Hillary illegally deleted.

(Lock her up)

DJT: Instead every story is told from the perspective of the insider. Never the people it's been rigged against. No outrage from the media class. It's not about me, it's about all the people who never had a voice. I am running to be your voice. I am running to be the voice for every forgotten part of this country. I'm glad I make the powerful a little uncomfortable. Including the powerful in my own party. I'm fighting for real change. There's a reason the Hedge Fund managers are throwing money all over Hillary .

DJT: On terrorism we're going to focus on destroying ISIS. We'll use cyber, financial warfare. We'll work with anyone who shares our goal. We will win and win soon. On immigration, we'll temporary suspend immigration from anywhere where screening can't be adequately performed. Extreme vetting.

(USA)
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:06 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


And one that he, a vegan, cannot enjoy...

Oh gosh, I forgot about that. Yeah, it would have been much much more awesome if he had submitted a vegan recipe. There are plenty of delicious vegan cookie recipes. What a missed opportunity. :(
posted by thefoxgod at 5:07 PM on August 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Holy shit -- I never thought he'd actually pivot. This is bad.
posted by tzikeh at 5:07 PM on August 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


Holy shit -- I never thought he'd actually pivot. This is bad.

Just wait, no chance it lasts.
posted by waitingtoderail at 5:10 PM on August 18, 2016 [14 favorites]


I never thought he'd actually pivot

This is not a pivot. It is just dressing up the same old lies and attacks with nice platitudes.

I cannot imagine anyone not already in the Trump camp who will be taken in. It does not help that his vileness has been videoed.
posted by bearwife at 5:10 PM on August 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Holy shit -- I never thought he'd actually pivot. This is bad.
I am so, so curious as to how the alt-right jackass from Breitbart and Madame Republican Pollster got him to pivot when no one else could. What were the magic words? Perhaps something like, "Trump, just act like a President so we can get in office. You can go back to being a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, clueless asshole the moment we're in there picking out the new couch and deciding which Presidential desk we're gonna use." [fake, obvs]
posted by xyzzy at 5:11 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Its one speech. I'm doubtful he can restrain himself enough to avoid starting a new insane controversy in the next 81 days. I mean, he made some more restrained speeches before and then went back to insanity (I remember his first teleprompter speech where everyone was like "Is this the new Donald Trump" and the answer was No).
posted by thefoxgod at 5:11 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Oh are we using literally figuratively again? Shaw v. Reno would say that's not literally true although I would agree that GOTV efforts are very very important.

According to Daley, while there are a few cases making their way to the Supreme Court and a few possible legislative fixes as well, the Legislative work has to make it through the districts to begin with to be in place in 2020 and the Supreme Court makeup is also dependent on the next few elections and quite slow to enact. Apparently there's also talk of doing something at the National Level, but again that is dependent on getting control of the House and the Senate, both of which have been carefully gerrymandered in key places (the Senate less than the House for reasons of district size).

He goes over it in detail on the podcast; it was interesting if depressing. I literally was using "literally" literally, based on his information; if you believe his assessment is incorrect, I'd be interested to hear it.
posted by Deoridhe at 5:11 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I don't think its bad. The substance is the same. He's just using some of his convention "I am your voice" speech now. Keep steadily working on getting out the vote and don't panic.
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:12 PM on August 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


DJT: Anyone who thinks Sharia law supplants American law will not get a visa. Anyone who thinks suppressing women, gays won't get in.

DJT: My opponent wants a 550% increase in Syrian refugees. What are we doing? Hillary Clinton is running to be america's Angela Merkel. We've seen how much crime.

DJT: On crime, we're going to add more police, prosecutors. Will pursue strong enforcement of federal laws. The gangs, cartels will be stripped apart one by one. Very fast.

DJT: On trade, we're going to renegotiate NAFTA. If they don't agree, we'll withdraw. And TPP, another disaster. Stand up to China. Protect every American job. Hillary has supported all the trade deals that stripped our jobs and wealth.

DJT: On taxes, get rid of regulations that send jobs overseas, and make it easier for American s to get credit for small businesses. On education we're going to get choice and charter schools. My opponent wants to deny students choice in order to get money form the education beuracracsy. We'll work with African American community. What a big difference that will make. One of the things I most look forward to doing. Top priority.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:12 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Eh. One speech does not a pivot make. He's read from a teleprompter before, only to fly off the rails again the next day on Twitter.
posted by monospace at 5:12 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


There's a reason the Hedge Fund managers are throwing money all over Hillary .

uh dude you know your new campaign manager made his bones on wall street right
posted by murphy slaw at 5:12 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I think it only counts as a pivot if he manages to keep going in a coherent/positive direction. Right now, it's more like he briefly stumbled in the "right" direction. Everything is fresh and happy with the new handlers, they gave him some good lines, he's energized, he's feeling it, he's using their lines and listening. How long does this last? Recent history says not very, but we'll see.
posted by feloniousmonk at 5:12 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


I really hope with all my heart that the American public doesn't buy what this man is selling.

They swallowed whole the dreck talk-radio pushed out. They bought onto the Fox News train. They embraced the Tea Party. And, in the end, they gave the right both chambers of Congress, and the majority of state legislatures and governorships.

No reason to think they won't swallow Trump's codswallop.
posted by Thorzdad at 5:13 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


however coherent he sounds, this is not reaching out beyond his existing base. he's repeating himself off the teleprompter. if it didn't work during the convention with all eyes on him, what makes you think it will work now?
posted by murphy slaw at 5:16 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


DJT: On healthcare repeal and replace obamacare. Aetna is pulling out, including NC. You'll have better healthcare at a lower cost.

DJT: On political corruption, restore honor. Enforce all laws on protection of classified info. Prevent senior officials from accepting speaking fees from lobbyists/governments for five years after they serve.

DJT: Bring our country together by emphasizing what we have together. Hillary is bigoted. Sees communities of color only as votes. She's been there forever and look where you are. If African Americans give me their vote the results will be amazing. Look how things are going under decades of Democrats. Time for a change. What do you have to lose by trying something new? I will fix it. The inner cities are so bad.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:16 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Just nervously donated another $100. Great speech Donald!!!
posted by acidic at 5:19 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


DJT: I will works as hard as I can to bring opportunity. Hillary has take African American votes for granted. They haven't produced. Time to break with the failures of the past. In my administration every American will be treated, protected, honored equally. We will reject bigotry. This is the change I am promising you, an honest government and a just society. But we can never fix our problems by relying on the politicians who caused it. 72% say the country is on the wrong track. I am the change candidate. It's time to vote for a new American future.

DJT: Together we will make America strong, proud, safe again. We will make America great again. Got bless you.

(Exheunt)
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:19 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


> Look how things are going under decades of Democrats.

???

How many years out of the last 30 have Democrats controlled both the White House and Congress, giving them free reign to pursue their policy goals? By my count only 10, and they're not consecutive.

We have not had "decades of Democrats."
posted by a mirror and an encyclopedia at 5:20 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


That's the Big Lie.
posted by adamgreenfield at 5:22 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


No, I'm dumb. Not ten years. Four.
posted by a mirror and an encyclopedia at 5:22 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Time to break with the failures of the past.

this is referring to his bankruptcies right
posted by murphy slaw at 5:23 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


We have not had "decades of Democrats."

While true, it doesn't matter. So long as there is one marginally liberal person left in government, they will always run with the liberals/democrats are ruining the country meme. It works time and time again.
posted by Thorzdad at 5:23 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


@JYSexton: "Everyone says this is about letting Trump be Trump, but this is everything he wasn't. This is a puppet dancing for a new puppet master."
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 5:24 PM on August 18, 2016 [21 favorites]


this is referring to his bankruptcies right

I think it's referring to the last 13 months of his campaign.
posted by Spathe Cadet at 5:24 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


How many years out of the last 30 have Democrats controlled both the White House and Congress, giving them free reign to pursue their policy goals? By my count only 10, and they're not consecutive.

We have not had "decades of Democrats."


He's talking about in cities, like Baltimore, Chicago. It's a common expression in some conservative circles, and popped up again after the acquittal for the police involved in Freddie Gray's murder.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 5:24 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's talking about in cities, like Baltimore, Chicago.

then maybe his ass should be running for mayor
posted by murphy slaw at 5:27 PM on August 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Crucially, he is still not offering any concrete plans or vision beyond "I will fix it for you." That's not going to convince very many people beyond the rabid 27%. Plus, it's not going to magically erase the past 12 months of increasingly alarming what-the-fuckery.
posted by monospace at 5:28 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


This speech is scary. This speech is truly scary.

It sounds so reasonable. It's fucking terrifying.
posted by Talez at 5:30 PM on August 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


I just hope the media doesn't run with the "OMG HE APOLOGIZED WOW SO PRESIDENTIAL" and call him out for the emptiness of all the platitudes.
posted by Tevin at 5:30 PM on August 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


It sounds so reasonable. It's fucking terrifying.

Until you look at the content. He's putting lipstick on the pig, but the pig is still a dead pig. Perhaps a pig head stuck on a stick attracting flies on an island filled with feral boys.

He's still Trump. We still need to GOTV no matter what. Guys, we got this.

Disclaimer - I know that it is our job as progressives to believe we're somehow going to throw the whole election but this year, we just keep working hard and we've got this. Really, work hard and we got this.
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:33 PM on August 18, 2016 [23 favorites]


Please someone show him a picture of the nekkidTrump statue so that he loses his tiny little mind and shows us his real self again...
posted by uosuaq at 5:34 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


He's talking about in cities, like Baltimore, Chicago.

Ah. One of the many difficulties in trying to give running summary of what he's saying is he says some things that make you think you misheard him. Glad that one was about right.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:35 PM on August 18, 2016


Joey Michaels, I can still remember the months when I'd stare at this every morning for a few minutes.
posted by uosuaq at 5:36 PM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Damn, I step out to mow the lawn for a bit and Trump gets himself an honest to gosh speech-writer? Fascinating.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:37 PM on August 18, 2016


It sounds so reasonable.

It only sounds reasonable compared to all the shit he's been flinging up until now. He has a very, very low bar to clear. I'm not worried yet.
posted by monospace at 5:38 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


DJT: Let's talk about the economy. Nafta. NC lost half its jobs

Governor Pat McCrory (R) would like to have a little word with you, Donald. According to him NC is adding jobs faster than the national average and that bathroom bill didn't hurt us a whit, no sirree bob.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:43 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


REKT! Donald Trump posts Throwback Thursday video attacking Hillary Clinton

Rather partisan for an ABC affiliate (granted, AZ)
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:43 PM on August 18, 2016


Bill's cookie recipe is fine. He's not stealing any spotlight, and he's reminding people that Hillary has been fighting bullshit sexist expectations for decades. I like a vegan cookie as much as the next guy, but I'm already in the tank. The BoB's and Stein types that such a recipe might appeal to are a far smaller group than the women and men who will be like, 'yeah, that was some shit. Hey, maybe I'll make some cookies.'
posted by box at 5:43 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Hillary Clinton is running to be america's Angela Merkel.

Aside from the fact that a solid fraction of the electorate doesn't know who Angela Merkel is and a larger fraction doesn't care, that's not "reasonable" that's nonsense. And managing, after a year of campaigning, to deliver a more or less coherent speech isn't "reasonable," either, it's barely adequate.
posted by octobersurprise at 5:43 PM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Hillary Clinton is running to be america's Angela Merkel

Also, its an alt-right/white supremacist dog whistle.
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:45 PM on August 18, 2016 [30 favorites]


numaner: Try the triangular bit of Twinbrook between 355 and Veirs Mill.

(Also hi, neighbors!)
posted by seyirci at 5:47 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Remember that Merkel is hated by Putin and the alt right (race traitor browning Germany.) Seems on-message.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:48 PM on August 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Also, its an alt-right/white supremacist dog whistle.

Yep. It's nonsensical in any other context but in the context of neo-nazis and the alt-right it's absolutely code for, "Trump's new masters know wassuuup, fellow white supremacists! Never you fear."
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:48 PM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


The Jared Yates Sexton twitter feed is pretty scary. He is reporting on the crowd's reactions to the media including, "Everyone at CNN should be arrested." "The media is full of perverts and retards." and one guy telling another, "Reporters need lobotomies," and his friend replied, "Maybe that is what Trump will do after elected."

It is not like anything I've seen before. He has whipped up so much frenzy over the press that I fear for them more than I fear for Clinton-- she at least has the Secret Service to watch her back.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:52 PM on August 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


He has whipped up so much frenzy over the press that I fear for them more than I fear for Clinton-- she at least has the Secret Service to watch her back.

Apparently his USSS detail is keeping an eye out for the press, walking at least one reporter that he called by name to her (natch) car. Obviously, that's not their assigned task.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:56 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]




I'm not a very optimistic person, but if this is the big pivot then I don't think we need to be overly worried. It's the same shit he always says without a horrifying "gaffe" somewhere in the middle, basically like his RNC speech. He can't keep this up. You can put a lid on him for a few days but eventually the pressure builds up and he has to release it in some idiotic word vomit on Twitter, an interview, an off-the-cuff remark in an interview, or all of the above.
posted by gatorae at 6:02 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Sopan Deb tweets: This is incredible. For the 1st time - in prepared remarks, Trump expressing regret for some of his campaign conduct

Trump camp blasts out email using a tweet from me, headlining with saying I called Trump's speech "incredible"

The funny thing is how the email has taken one word from a bunch of different tweets to string together the sentence: "Killer Trump speech containing empathy, regret, strength, & cutting change contrast with Hillary.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:02 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Yay I made it to the end of the thread! Now my machine can cool off for a minute before it has to get the script up and whirring again.
posted by aka burlap at 6:04 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


walking at least one reporter that he called by name to her (natch) car.

Katy Tur.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:04 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Bill's cookie recipe is fine.

He should've submitted the one off the back of the package of chocolate chips. It was a bullshit weapon to use against Hilary in 1992, and it'd be fitting for that crap to end with Bill. If she wins he should submit the same one 4 (or hopefully 8) years in a row until they stop asking him.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:06 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


well, maybe if Trump stays on target for long enough to make TPP an issue again, Clinton will have to ultimately legitimately oppose it.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 6:07 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I want to know why it's so easy for some people to pivot from absolute scorn to absolute terror.
posted by My Dad at 6:09 PM on August 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Make Republicans Fucking Choke on Donald Trump

Some are
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:11 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I believe the answer to the scorn-to-terror flip-flop is that the underling terror is constant. it's like how Bruce Banner learned to semi-control his transformations by just going ahead and being furious all the time.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 6:11 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Politico has the speech if you feel the need to read it.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:12 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


My Dad: it's what the left does. Somehow our collective anxiety complex doesn't allow us to feel successful at anything.

I just looked up my local district. GOTV people. I mean I make a fuss in city council meetings on the regular but this is more important.

c'mon guys, stop hand wringing and GO DO SOMETHING even if it's just going outside. We got this.
posted by lonefrontranger at 6:12 PM on August 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


Make Republicans Fucking Choke on Donald Trump

"If I were Clinton, I'd demand that each of these assholes scrambling to get away from Trump join the Democratic Party."
Yeah, that's totally what she should do: in the middle of a campaign against Donald Trump, she should devote her time and energy to starting a second fight with the Republicans who've voiced their support for her for not being Democrats.
posted by octobersurprise at 6:14 PM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Hey, everyone remember back when Donald Trump was saying crazy shit and not giving a fuck who he offended?




Well congratulations, you're more qualified to be a journalist than I suspect any current journalists will be as they write their "pivot" stories.
posted by tonycpsu at 6:14 PM on August 18, 2016 [10 favorites]



Politico has the speech if you feel the need to read it.


Pshaw. Sure, if you just want it handed to you.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:15 PM on August 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


If that's an apology, it's the pretty lamest. But it's probably enough for his supporters to feel like he's apologized for whatever statement gives them the most doubt.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:16 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Politico has the speech if you feel the need to read it.

Not I. I prefer the ChurchHatesTucker abridged version.
posted by Joey Michaels at 6:16 PM on August 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


> a Trump win would do far more damage to the GOP than a Trump loss?

Republican ad campaign: Vote for the crook, not the racist.
posted by Monochrome at 2:41 PM on August 18 [+] [!]


Maybe we could not link and repost Trump's ads endlessly when they come out.

Just a thought.
posted by kyrademon at 2:43 PM on August 18 [4 favorites +] [!]


This ("Vote for the crook") is not a Trump ad. It's a blog post from Fred Clark pointing out that Republicans have in the past sabotaged their own candidate when he was loathsome enough for them to care.
posted by Monochrome at 6:18 PM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


So far all of the news articles that I'm reading (L.A. Times, NPR, Newsweek, CNN) are saying the same thing, he said he had regrets but wouldn't say for what and said we should leave the past behind. Then, for example, the L.A. Times goes on to list some of the shittier, more recent things he has said. So I don't think the media is just going to pretend this is a brand new day and all slates are wiped clean.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:18 PM on August 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


What's funny is that if Clinton did demand that he Republican supporters become Democrats, the I'd be reading pieces angrily asking why Clinton was inviting Republicans into the party.
posted by octobersurprise at 6:22 PM on August 18, 2016 [16 favorites]


This was announced last hour by MSNBC: Joint Candidate Event to Highlight National Security, Military and Veterans Issues, Live in Primetime on NBC and MSNBC on Wednesday, September 7, 2016

"The candidates will appear back to back during the one-hour event. They will take questions on national security, military affairs and veterans issues from NBC News and an audience comprised mainly of military veterans and active service members."
posted by cashman at 6:24 PM on August 18, 2016 [10 favorites]



If that's an apology, it's the pretty lamest. But it's probably enough for his supporters

Do I need to point out that he needs more than his supporters? He can't win with just those guys, he needs to win over new people in order to have any kind of a chance. Unfortunately for him (fortunately for us) he has burnt those boats. You think the Hispanics and Latinos are just going to forget about the Wall and Judge Curiel and the "rapists" remarks? You think the people who have insurance because of ObamaCare are going to be fine with his plan to abolish it? You think women are going to shrug off all his nasty, sexist remarks? You think the disabled and their families are going to forget his mocking gestures? Think of how many groups (Fire Marshals!!) he has alienated. He certainly has gone out of his way to emphasize that Black Lives Matter less than support for the police.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:27 PM on August 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


Between Arizona, North Carolina, and Virgina, the judicial branch is (slowly) working on "unratf**king" the damage that was done (with a lot of work), so there's clearly some ability to redistrict other than a massive spend to GOTV followed by doing your own self-interested redistricting. Still, Daley is far more concerned with realistic options rather than theoretical possibilities though, as we should be, rather than quibble over semantic choices.

Still, I'm happy to discuss the substantive districting procedural aspect of redistricting and am glad to see I didn't manage to bait everyone with the all important hot-button topic of diction.
posted by fragmede at 6:31 PM on August 18, 2016


Politico has the speech if you feel the need to read it.

Where in the hell did this come from?
posted by Going To Maine at 6:32 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


You think the Hispanics and Latinos are just going to forget about the Wall and Judge Curiel and the "rapists" remarks?

I think there's a certain segment of the electorate that wants to not vote for Hillary but also wants to sleep at night thinking they picked the lesser of two evils. Trump acting like a reasonable human being, no matter the content, gives that part of the electorate the license they're looking for to vote for Trump. Trump already has the 27% crazy part of the Latino electorate.
posted by Talez at 6:35 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Ahhh, he deviated from the prepared remarks during the actual speech. Politico, fix your transcript.
posted by Going To Maine at 6:35 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I don't think the members of the media are going to forget that Trump made them a target. I doubt they'll fall for it. The mask slipped of; we all saw it.
posted by schadenfrau at 6:39 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


I've never been politically correct. It takes far too much time.

Dude, don't be mean and refer to people the way they like to be referred to. I learned that shit in kindergarten, brah.
posted by kirkaracha at 6:46 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Pretty sure this is the mask tonight.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:48 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


https://twitter.com/JYSexton/status/766447431483531264

Jared Yates Sexton
‏@JYSexton
Trump wasn't Trump tonight. He was a megaphone spouting off Breitbart copy. It was organized and structured. Nuanced. That's terrible news.
posted by rbf1138 at 6:48 PM on August 18, 2016 [8 favorites]


Joint Candidate Event to Highlight National Security, Military and Veterans Issues, Live in Primetime on NBC and MSNBC on Wednesday, September 7, 2016

"America’s next Commander-in-Chief"

American does not have a commander-in-chief. According to the job description:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States...
I know this the audience at this event will be "comprised mainly of military veterans and active service members," but I'm really tired of the president being called the commander-in-chief outside of the context of the armed forces.
posted by kirkaracha at 6:53 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


I think if the Les Moonves types see it as profitable, the journalists will have to take this "pivot" seriously.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:54 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm really tired of the president being called the commander-in-chief outside of the context of the armed forces.

I know, it's like police talking about "civilians".
posted by Joe in Australia at 6:56 PM on August 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


The big question is... if the candidates do a half-hour each back-to-back, who goes first?
posted by oneswellfoop at 6:57 PM on August 18, 2016


The big question is... if the candidates do a half-hour each back-to-back, who goes first?

It won't matter. Either way Trump will claim Hillary demanded to go either first or last and that it put him at a disadvantage and it was unfair.
posted by Talez at 7:03 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Debate tactic idea for Clinton: she should come out in a Trump wig. A perfect, strand-for-strand replica of Trump's "hair." Anyone says anything she should just be like "I don't know what you're talking about. Can we please get off the topic of my hair." Just totally play it cool.

Then at the end of the debate she should take it off and throw it at him.
posted by Cookiebastard at 7:15 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


If Trump had given this as his acceptance speech and stayed on target and out of trouble, I'd be worried. But he didn't and he's self-destructive, so pfft.
posted by argybarg at 7:15 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Feeling worried about this pivot speech, but we'll have to see if Trump can stay consistently faux-reasonable. And, based on the excerpts I read, he wasn't specific about anything he "regrets" saying, etc.

He needs to be made to answer what, exactly, he regrets, and what he's changing his tune on. If he cannot make that clear, and stick with it, the pivot is a lot less believable.

We shall see. I honestly wasn't sure he'd even try...
posted by defenestration at 7:16 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


American does not have a commander-in-chief.

Of course it does. This is shorthand, like talking about appointing Justices. Yeah, it's not all the Prez does, but the Prez does it.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 7:19 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]




So, I wonder what hot take we'll get from Michael Moore next week.
posted by defenestration at 7:20 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I'm not saying that the world can stop paying attention or anything, but let's not catastrophize based on one speech. Reacting to the one time in the last few months he was able to do the bare minimum that a candidate is supposed to do as if this is an amazing turning point is just playing into the media's horse race narrative.
posted by tocts at 7:22 PM on August 18, 2016 [17 favorites]


So now we get to test this quote from back in mid-June.

"Trump’s campaign manager has insisted that they “let Trump be Trump” and the wisdom of the strategy is undeniable. As long as he continues to say crazy shit, he will continue to dominate the news and will continue to attract crowds. The moment he ceases to entertain – to say crazy shit – he will evaporate. "
posted by cashman at 7:22 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


I'm a little tired of "hot take" as "opinion I don't like." But it's not exactly worth a MetaTalk post.
posted by uosuaq at 7:23 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


So, I wonder what hot take we'll get from Michael Moore next week.

I don't know, but I'll bet it involves him treating the people who work for him like shit.
posted by dersins at 7:24 PM on August 18, 2016


let's not catastrophize based on one speech

Really we oughta just tune out until the debates but dammit I'm hooked on these mefi politickles.
posted by dis_integration at 7:25 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Regretful Trump pivots 107 days late:
Three and a half months after sealing the Republican nomination, Donald Trump pivoted to contest the general election on Thursday night, expressing regret for his past failures to “choose the right words” and delivering one of the most comprehensive, on-message rationales for his candidacy to date.

Speaking from prepared remarks on the heels of another staffing shakeup, Trump positioned himself as the champion of voiceless Americans against a corrupt and incompetent elite and the leader of an inclusive movement who repeatedly condemned “bigotry.”
posted by kirkaracha at 7:26 PM on August 18, 2016


A scorpion asks a frog to carry it across a river. The frog hesitates, afraid of being stung, but the scorpion argues that if it did so, they would both drown. Considering this, the frog agrees, but midway across the river the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When the frog asks the scorpion why, the scorpion replies that it was in its nature to do so.
posted by kirkaracha at 7:28 PM on August 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


I think there's a certain segment of the electorate that wants to not vote for Hillary but also wants to sleep at night thinking they picked the lesser of two evils

Given how vocal Trump supporters have been and how vocal Clinton critics have been, is there any evidence of a significant number of voters who are sort of "secret" Trump voters as you suggest? Wouldn't you think that a voter who doesn't want to vote for Clinton but who doesn't want to vote for Trump, either, is more likely to vote third party? Or simply not vote at all? The assumption behind your theory seems to be that since a significant number of people really want to vote for Trump but are too scared to, all he needs to do to get these voters is to be a little less scary. That's possible, of course, but is there evidence to suggest that it's true?
posted by octobersurprise at 7:28 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


I used hot take, sarcastically, because Moore has had two contradictory, in-the-moment, unsupported by any sort of evidence opinion pieces in the last month or so. Or at least evidence he was willing to share.

I apologize. I should have said shitty take.
posted by defenestration at 7:29 PM on August 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


Not trying to defend Moore...I think he's produced some good work (which tends to be better the more he stays behind the camera) and I think he has a certain gift for making abstract issues tangible. But he's not my hero or anything.
posted by uosuaq at 7:31 PM on August 18, 2016


I'm curious, and a little but not too concerned, about how Breitbart is going to handle Trump. I don't think they're idiots—I think they probably understand how to fuck over a media that's trying to be balanced better than anybody. I bet they have plenty of ideas of ways to make Trump seem reasonable in the eyes of CNN.

I'm also curious if their privately–commissioned poll was commissioned in part to convince Trump to go along with their master plan. The timing there seems apropos. Could "look at you losing in the polls, like a loser" be how they made him give this speech?
posted by rorgy at 7:34 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


All good. Generally speaking, I get irked by trendy turns of phrases that sorta pop up and you see them everywhere, instantly being overused. Specifically, I've felt that was about the phrase "hot take" itself.

It just felt really a propos. You calling it out gave me a chance to explain what I meant.
posted by defenestration at 7:36 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


(What did Michael Moore do that's infuriated so many people? Other than being snotty and a little hot–headed? I haven't followed him in the news for ages, but I read his books when I was younger and they were full of then–interesting ideas, albeit presented a bit more sloppily than I generally prefer. Guy's no Al Franken but I didn't know he was this apparently despised.)
posted by rorgy at 7:37 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Yeah, it's a shame that everything he's said before now is on record, he's got a bunch of rabid followers who might not play along, he's pissed off everyone else, he won't be able to square the Reasonable Trump with the 'No tax returns from me' Trump, he's months behind on organisation, he's got two Clintons, one Obama, one Kaine and one Biden against him, and all he's managed to prove so far is that he can read a teleprompter.

And he has to go 80+ days without a meltdown, he has to regain (actually, just gain) the trust of god knows how many GOPers, navigate a by now hostile press, debates and a country which clearly does not like him, without the aid of words written down by a Breitbart hack.

Should be interesting.
posted by Devonian at 7:37 PM on August 18, 2016 [10 favorites]


I don't know, having looked at the transcript a little more closely, it's basically the same word soup he always brings to the table, it's just more competently prepared and with fresher ingredients. When you get down to it, the difference this time around is that instead of taking the most vicious possible rhetorical line on every point, he's taken the second-most vicious rhetorical line. Otherwise, it's like some sort of Breitbart Talking Points Greatest Hits medley number that labors to tick all of the right boxes. Literally no development would surprise me at this point, but it really seems like it's just a matter of time until something gives and we're right back into "can you believe what he said this time?" mode. Saying the same things in a slightly better way just doesn't indicate actual substantial change to me.
posted by feloniousmonk at 7:38 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Literally no development would surprise me at this point, but it really seems like it's just a matter of time until something gives and we're right back into "can you believe what he said this time?" mode. Saying the same things in a slightly better way just doesn't indicate actual substantial change to me.

While I'm concerned about Bannon's competency, this is the main reason I'm not especially freaking out right now. Breitbart believes all the stupid conspiratorial bullshit that Trump believes in. Their major successes have mostly involved faked-up videos, and not actually reporting batshit right-wingery in a way that makes the mainstream give a shit. I mean, I follow all the news, all of it, and Breitbart makes Fox Nation and the Drudge Report seem actually fair and balanced.

If anything, I bet they try to use their "Clinton Cash" documentary as the main scandal, and wind up using Trump as a tool to promote their in–house video productions. That seems like the sort of cocked–up idea that they either believe would work, or don't care about the effectiveness of so long as it lets them point at themselves and go "Look! We made history!"
posted by rorgy at 7:42 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


rorgy:
I think it's mostly down to a couple Chicken-Little-sky-is-falling-type pieces, re both Romney and Trump. Which people either interpret as: "gimme a fuckin break" or "maybe the is some sort of reverse psychology? I dunno, but I do know it ain't workin as intended."

It's funny how little it takes for people to write people/things/ideas off, isn't it?
posted by rp at 7:44 PM on August 18, 2016




Another thing to factor in is that the Breitbart crew are writers but they aren't speechwriters. This is probably their A game that they've been working on since they started seriously considering the job. Can they keep it up? Their website can afford to miss on most of its articles because nobody really cares and a big success will make up for it but Trump can't really afford to keep spinning his wheels as they cycle deeper into the conspiracist's card catalog trying to find new themes that stick as Trump bores of/exhausts/ruins the existing ones.
posted by feloniousmonk at 7:47 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


I'm not referring to Moore as a person, or any of his larger work. I'm referring to his commentary on this presidential election. Also, the last, as he's falling into similar narratives.

If I had written him off completely, I wouldn't be reading anything he writes, period.
posted by defenestration at 7:48 PM on August 18, 2016


Didn't Moore make that 9/11 truther movie?

"Hot take" refers to very stale opinions which the opiner thinks are new, daring, or sophisticated but are actually well-covered ground.
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 7:54 PM on August 18, 2016


No, a "hot take" is an opinion given instantly without deep thought or research.
posted by modernnomad at 7:57 PM on August 18, 2016 [27 favorites]


I regret saying the wrong thing.
posted by defenestration at 8:00 PM on August 18, 2016 [6 favorites]


Didn't Moore make that 9/11 truther movie?

It exposed and pilloried the total incompetece of the Bush administration in handling 9/11, which is a kind of truth, so yes. But in the commonly accepted "wacky conspiracy theorist" sense? No.

Honestly, I don't understand the "HISTORY'S GREATEST MONSTER!!!" vibe I'm picking up in general in this thread re: Moore. He did some solid work in the Bush years.
posted by indubitable at 8:00 PM on August 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


Keep Your Nerve, everyone. Trump can't coast to victory on the backs of his speechwriters. If he ends up looking more competitive then that can only end up underscoring the legitimacy of Clinton's victory.
posted by um at 8:03 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


Honestly, I don't understand the "HISTORY'S GREATEST MONSTER!!!" vibe I'm picking up in general in this thread re: Moore. He did some solid work in the Bush years.

His 'Trump will win' piece had a pretty unmistakable Bernie Or Bust vibe to it, weeks after the convention. That's pretty unforgivable from someone who markets himself as a scion of the left. He's poisoned the well as far as commentary on this election goes, and needs to just go away and make a movie or something. Real time analysis has never been what he's done well.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:03 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


I think of a hot take as an intentionally inflammatory or contrarian opinion of the type that Slate excels at (Why Foxes Are The Best Henhouse Guards types of essays).
posted by Bookhouse at 8:04 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


In conclusion, hot takes are a land of contrasts.




(In 2004 my history teacher seriously made us watch a serious 9/11 conspiracy theory movie which I probably got mixed up with Fahrenheit 9/11)
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 8:05 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


more seriously I think all of those connotations are accurate
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 8:06 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Friend of mine posted some pictures and commentary on what he saw outside the Trump rally in Charlotte, NC.
posted by marxchivist at 8:07 PM on August 18, 2016 [15 favorites]


I feel like I started the "hot take" derail, and wish I could end it.
posted by uosuaq at 8:07 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


In the Simpsons a common joke set-up is that Lisa gets straight As, is a genius, and behaves impeccably. Bart is, well, Bart, but bringing home a C- instead of an F will causes him to get lavished with attention. In the same sense, I think that trump's mediocre ability to read a slightly sanitized version of his same old Sturm und Drang from a teleprompter will get outsized attention in the press, and likely translate to a poll bump. I think this is because outlets like CNN need this to be a horse race, and you can't have three months of just shitting (even deservedly) on a single candidate. Overall though, I simply don't see how he has a path to the presidency. His campaign cleaning up might have the undesirable tack-on effect of not allowing the Dems to recapture the senate, but I think that he's still in the 5% path to victory reality, even if he does go up by ten points or so in the next month.
posted by codacorolla at 8:08 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


But in the commonly accepted "wacky conspiracy theorist" sense? No.
I'm afraid I must beg to differ on that account. Moore spent a lot of time on the Bush family's connection to the Bin Ladens and the approval of the Saudi flights out of the US when everything else was still grounded. While not literally stating that 9/11 was a false flag op cooked up by Bush and Buddies to wade back into the Middle East, Moore's documentary still has a truther flavor to it that's like sand in your swim trunks.
posted by xyzzy at 8:09 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Honestly, I don't understand the "HISTORY'S GREATEST MONSTER!!!" vibe I'm picking up in general in this thread re: Moore.

He is far from "HISTORY'S GREATEST MONSTER," but, on the other hand, literally not one single person in this thread is claiming that he is.

On the other, other hand, he writes pointlessly hysterical bullshit opinion pieces in which he makes putatively authoritative claims that not only have no basis in actual fact, but are blatantly self-contradictory.

On the other, other, other hand, he purports to be a man of the people and a champion of the "workin' man" while treating the people who work for him with in an utterly contemptuous and exploitative manner.

So, not "HISTORY'S GREATEST MONSTER," but, also, fuck that guy in the face.
posted by dersins at 8:09 PM on August 18, 2016 [11 favorites]


If Trump starts to look more reasonable, that'll convert to Dems working even harder to GOTV. I was actually starting to worry a little about our side turning complacent.
posted by rifflesby at 8:13 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


People are freaking out because he apologized? His only strength was the appearance of strength and now he doesn't even have that. Sweep the leg baby
posted by Potomac Avenue at 8:16 PM on August 18, 2016 [7 favorites]


Potomac Avenue: People are freaking out because he apologized?

For some people, getting an honest apology without a following "... but [you're still wrong/ you shouldn't have said that thing you did]" is a marked improvement and elicits surprise and praise.

And he stayed on message, deviating from the prepared script only slightly. There was positive response when he read from a teleprompter before, this is definitely something journalists will make into a mountain.

Then again, he might get another Donald Trump Gives Low-Energy Teleprompter Speech And Nobody Cares. Sad!
posted by filthy light thief at 8:21 PM on August 18, 2016


"I really regret that" is his new "Believe me". They just changed his tell.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:23 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]


Trump can't really afford to keep spinning his wheels as they cycle deeper into the conspiracist's card catalog trying to find new themes that stick

I don't know why they would do that. All he's got to do is give the same speech about a hundred more times in 80 days without crackinga and he gains a lot of the groundb he lost through unforced error.

a) unlikely
b) not all the ground.
posted by ctmf at 8:24 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


And anyway, this has been the "new" Donnie of the past few days:
campaign and the candidate, in the last couple of days at least, have been doing things that seem very much in line with a shift. The campaign is, on a daily basis, trying to drive a message. And the candidate, two days in a row at least, has spoken from a teleprompter. Last night, he held a rally here. The vibe was very much that sort of raw energy of a rally. There were chants in the crowd of lock her up and things that are typically at a Trump rally. The only thing that was different was Donald Trump himself. He stuck largely to the teleprompter.
NPR, August 17, 2016.

But now it looks like he also has a bigger staff who bring more dirt to dig up, so he has that going for his campaign.

And we still have the debates, where Donny has to talk with people who won't just cheer along at the right times, and he won't have a teleprompter to prop him up. He has plenty of chances to go back to the garbage fire we know and despise.
posted by filthy light thief at 8:25 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


So, Trump found an editor?
posted by valkane at 8:29 PM on August 18, 2016


While eating man's face, Florida 'cannibal killer' wore Trump 'Make America Great Again' hat [real]

I am literally out of both evens and hot takes. Good night, everyone.
posted by stolyarova at 8:31 PM on August 18, 2016 [69 favorites]


False flag. Everyone knows cannibal killers support Gary Johnson.
posted by Joey Michaels at 8:47 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


While eating man's face, Florida 'cannibal killer' wore Trump 'Make America Great Again' hat [real]

They're not even trying to make this latest season plausible :(
posted by Mitrovarr at 8:48 PM on August 18, 2016 [28 favorites]


That is definitely the worst Florida Man yet.
posted by gatorae at 8:51 PM on August 18, 2016 [9 favorites]


I don't know why they would do that.

I basically expect the unforced errors to keep happening. You can give Trump better source material to go into a situation with, but you can't change who he is or how he reacts in the heat of a high pressure moment, so I think he'll keep ad libbing around the edges of his major points in ways that will continue to pile up lingering questions that are best avoided by moving onto the next thing.
posted by feloniousmonk at 8:58 PM on August 18, 2016 [2 favorites]


A candidate who thinks political correctness takes too much time undoubtedly also thinks that due process takes too much time.
posted by puddledork at 9:04 PM on August 18, 2016 [18 favorites]


Trump's about to drop $5m in ten days of TV ads in NC, Ohio, Florida and PA. Which is under ten percent of what HRC's spent already, but it's a start.

What they'll be like, though...


I smell goldfish snuff films!!!

posted by Kid Charlemagne at 9:19 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


While not literally stating that 9/11 was a false flag op cooked up by Bush and Buddies to wade back into the Middle East, Moore's documentary still has a truther flavor to it that's like sand in your swim trunks.

Prince and the '28 pages': Indirect 9/11 link to Saudi royal revealed:
Now, 14 years after Zubaydah was apprehended, newly declassified information from a 2002 congressional report on the 9/11 attacks, dubbed the "28 pages," reveals an indirect link previously hidden from the American public between the alleged al Qaeda operative and a company associated with a key member of the Saudi royal family, former Saudi Ambassador to the United States Prince Bandar bin Sultan.
Saudi Arabia's 9/11 connection:
At the heart of the close relationship between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia on 9/11 was one man: Prince Bandar. A grandson of the Gulf state's founding king, Bandar was the Saudi ambassador to the U.S. from 1983 to 2005, and went on to run his country's intelligence agency. He was so close to the Bushes he was often called "Bandar Bush," and he was instrumental in persuading his government to assist the U.S. in the first Gulf War.
...
During 2000 and 2001, al-Bayoumi received about $3,000 a month — through several intermediaries — from Prince Bandar's wife. Many suspect some of this cash was passed on to the hijackers.
posted by kirkaracha at 10:12 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Emails obtained by the AP appear to show that Paul Manefort and another Trump advisor broke laws lobbying for Ukrainian dictator.
posted by humanfont at 10:15 PM on August 18, 2016 [5 favorites]


Emails obtained by the AP appear to show that Paul Manefort and another Trump advisor broke laws lobbying for Ukrainian dictator.

That's a hot potato, since the Democrat-aligned Podesta Group is all tangled up in it as well, as per the AP report. I wonder how far the reporting of it will go since it makes everyone look bad.
posted by dis_integration at 10:23 PM on August 18, 2016 [1 favorite]


Right now, MSNBC is quoting some Bannon writing about how he celebrated with wine when Zimmerman was acquitted and how "mongrel" races want to kill superior whites out of jealousy. Has this been gish-galloped into normalcy already, or is this another 72 hour campaign reboot? Fuck I'm sick of waiting to find out if the better angels of our national character will prevail or not.

Also, I'm bummed that Gamechange 2: Great Again can't star Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Trump. That's the fantasy casting I see in my head and you guys? He nails it.
posted by EatTheWeak at 10:30 PM on August 18, 2016 [45 favorites]


If you look at the Huffington Post's composite polls going back to June 2015, Trump's ceiling is 43.9% (January) and Clinton's floor is 44.3% (mid-July). The closest it's been is Clinton 44.8% to Trump's 42.2% on July 23, just before the Democratic National Convention. I believe Trump's done too much permanent damage to his chances to be able to overtake her.
posted by kirkaracha at 10:47 PM on August 18, 2016 [4 favorites]


Also, I'm bummed that Gamechange 2: Great Again can't star Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Trump. That's the fantasy casting I see in my head and you guys? He nails it.

that "AUGH" noise you all heard just now was me having feelings. sorry. i'll clean it up.

hey, so, one fun thing i've learned courtesy of this election: if you dismantle the boxed wine and just drink directly from the bag, it's like suckling on a wine teat. very comforting in a fucked up, freudian sort of way.
posted by palomar at 11:46 PM on August 18, 2016 [25 favorites]


I don't trust Donald Trump.
posted by mazola at 11:46 PM on August 18, 2016 [3 favorites]






Okay, so I just saw the video of the speech. When he says "We are going to work closely with African-American parents and students in the inner cities – and what a big difference that will make. This means a lot to me, and it is going to be a top priority in a Trump Administration.", did anyone else feel a little ominous? And maybe threatened?
posted by Weeping_angel at 12:17 AM on August 19, 2016


I mean, the text looks fine, but something about how he says "work closely"...
posted by Weeping_angel at 12:18 AM on August 19, 2016


If he doesn't get a poll boost out of this speech I expect kindler-gentler-Trump will be drop kicked out the window.
posted by PenDevil at 12:29 AM on August 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Regrets
He's had a few
But then again
Too few to mention
posted by kyrademon at 1:52 AM on August 19, 2016 [21 favorites]


The NY Times sounds skeptical:

Donald Trump Steps Out of Character to Voice Unexplained Regrets
posted by monospace at 1:56 AM on August 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


Yes, he clearly REGRETS not leading in the polls.
posted by threeturtles at 2:01 AM on August 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


"I didn't mean that 2nd Amendment People should _kill_ Hillary after election but before she nominates Supreme Court Justices. Just wing her." [fake]
posted by sebastienbailard at 2:05 AM on August 19, 2016


Regrets
He's had a few
But then again
Too few to mention


I've long thought "Bizarro Sinatra" would make a good Trump nickname.
posted by PlusDistance at 2:24 AM on August 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


needs to just go away and make a movie or something.

Is this the new "shut up and sing?"
posted by waitingtoderail at 3:51 AM on August 19, 2016


The thread about the Death of Gawker reminded me of its proud predecessor in "tabloid journalism" (and in getting sued but yet not sued out of existence), The National Enquirer. The Enquirer's publisher is a proud friend and supporter of Donald Trump, which is why its front page has been all-Hillary-Clinton-'scandals' for several months and will continue to be until the election. So why spend money on advertising when you have attacks on your opponent prominently displayed at every supermarket checkstand in America?
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:09 AM on August 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Trump's first ad is out [Real]
posted by sporkwort at 4:24 AM on August 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


"...the system stays rigged against real Americans...." voiceover, "Vote here" sign visual.

Reeeeeal subtle
posted by PenDevil at 4:42 AM on August 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


so let me get this straight
for months the GOP has been to Trump, *don't be crazy*
and then Trump hires some batshit insane people
and they say *don't be crazy*
and he says okay?

And he says nothing about the naked statues?

This seems like a mistake of reality
posted by angrycat at 4:45 AM on August 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


The entire ad is made up of little soundbites, like it was written in bullet points. It's very Trumpian, for short-attention span voters. Clinton's ads have a much different feel.
posted by zarq at 4:48 AM on August 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


I will repeat, then I will drop the subject, that I really, really don't think we should boost signal on his ads. He is spending relatively little money on them and I suspect he is counting on internet chatter to get the word out. I'd rather not play into that.
posted by kyrademon at 4:58 AM on August 19, 2016 [23 favorites]




Does anybody who is potentially receptive to Trump's message read the posts down here?
posted by oneswellfoop at 5:06 AM on August 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


Ok, so I just caught up with the threads after a solid month full of "what" and even if Trump tries to pivot, it would give the media time to catch up with all the outlandish things he's said. Besides, someone with his temperament won't be able to practice self-restraint for long.
posted by ersatz at 5:17 AM on August 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


I believe that kyrademon is concerned about link juice. The more widely an article (or video, or whatever - any URL, basically) is posted / shared / linked, the more highly it ranks on Google. And being linked from highly trafficked sources (such as MeFi) provides more link juice.
posted by escape from the potato planet at 5:19 AM on August 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Besides, someone with his temperament won't be able to practice self-restraint for long.

What? He has the best temperament!
posted by dersins at 5:20 AM on August 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


Metafilter's Google link credibility is going to be relevant to smaller sites that don't get a lot of attention. This is part of why it's considered bad form to link directly to some controversial extremist sites here, and people will instead use a cache like archive.org or Google cache: it provides access to the source without conferring findability.

For a TV commercial for the Republican Presidential candidate, Mefi is too small to matter. The video is linked everywhere by every major news organization in the world by now.
posted by ardgedee at 5:30 AM on August 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Agreed with ardgedee. We're not talking about some random thread on Stormfront; these are commercials from a major-party Presidential candidate. They're already going to be amplified by, like, much of the global media industry. Unfortunately I don't think MeFi has much influence over their ranking one way or the other.
posted by escape from the potato planet at 5:39 AM on August 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


About Trump's 'the election will be rigged' claims - he's talking about a major conspiracy to commit a very serious crime indeed. Has anyone asked him:

* what proof he has?
* whether he has raised these concerns with authorities?
* if not, why not?
* are these claims he now regrets or wishes to claim as sarcasm?

All reasonable questions that Reasonable Trump (RT, not to be confused with Russia Today) will doubtless be keen to address.
posted by Devonian at 5:50 AM on August 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


and then Trump hires some batshit insane people
and they say *don't be crazy*
and he says okay?


My theory: He finally found people that speak his same language. All the people who were telling him to not be crazy before were asking him in the wrong way because they were talking to him like he's not a malignant narcissist and actually a serious politician. Now he's found people who have his exact same white supremacist agenda and his exact same personality disorders and they are able to communicate to him in a way that he gets. Also, it's finally sunk in that he really is losing very badly. I'm positive that the Breitbart "unskewed" poll that also showed Hillary +5 was commissioned with this exact endgame in mind: to get Breitbart staff onto the campaign.

Trump is now being used by those assholes in the same way that Putin uses him. He's easily manipulable by people who know what he responds to. Let him think he's actually the one in charge and you can get him to do anything you want.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:51 AM on August 19, 2016 [43 favorites]


Let him think he's actually the one in charge and you can get him to do anything you want.
I heard that Mark Burnett Productions handled him the same way for "The Apprentice" TV show... of course, they're all under NDAs now.
posted by oneswellfoop at 5:54 AM on August 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


The NY Times sounds skeptical
“If African-American voters give Donald Trump a chance by giving me their vote, the result for them will be amazing,” he said.

The crowd, which was almost entirely white, cheered and applauded.
Good amazing or bad amazing?
posted by kirkaracha at 6:08 AM on August 19, 2016 [8 favorites]


Clinton Camp Calls Trump Apology ‘Teleprompter Regret’:
“Donald Trump literally started his campaign by insulting people. He has continued to do so through each of the 428 days from then until now, without shame or regret," Clinton deputy communications director Christina Reynolds said in a statement.
...
"We learned tonight that his speechwriter and teleprompter knows he has much for which he should apologize," Reynolds said in the statement. "But that apology tonight is simply a well-written phrase until he tells us which of his many offensive, bullying and divisive comments he regrets — and changes his tune altogether."
posted by kirkaracha at 6:15 AM on August 19, 2016 [17 favorites]


Trump's first ad is out [Real]

Very reminiscent of the Brexit Campaign "Breaking Point" Poster with the visual of a vast stream of people crossing the border. Tag line "We must break free of the EU and take back control of our borders."
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:17 AM on August 19, 2016


* what proof he has? the best proof. Yuuuge amounts of proof.

* whether he has raised these concerns with authorities? Lots of authorities. The authorities are coming to me asking how they can help. Authorities are the best.

* are these claims he now regrets or wishes to claim as sarcasm? I. REGRET. NOTHING!!! (bites the head off a bald eagle as the crowd roars in approval)
posted by splen at 6:17 AM on August 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


if the breitbart crew are serious about schmearing some respectability onto this campaign, i wonder if we'll see less katrina pierson on the cable news circuit. i guess one sign of the durability of this pivot will be how much confabulated history and armchair neurological diagnosis continues to spew forth from trump talking heads.
posted by murphy slaw at 6:18 AM on August 19, 2016


I'm just flabbergasted that anyone is even for one second thinking that anything he said about minorities and "bigotry" in that speech was anything except a little pat on the head for his bigoted white supporters to let them know that they're not really racists, they're just super concerned about black-on-black violence you guys!

I mean, have you ever actually met anyone who admits they're a racist? Other than lefties who understand that you can't grow up in a racist culture without being racist yourself? My first job in high school was working at a public library and one of my co-workers was an actual Odinist white separatist. Like, he made no bones whatsoever about it, he was totally open with his beliefs. And even he would never actually say he was a racist or a bigot. No no no, you don't understand, he loves black people and he totally has black friends! He just thinks that they'd be so much better off living amongst their own kind. Just like white people are really just so much happier only living with other white people. It's just natural! It has nothing to do with racial hatred or othering! He only has the best interests of black people at heart!

So, yeah, every time Donald Trump starts to finger-wag about bigotry? I just hear that guy all over again.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:19 AM on August 19, 2016 [46 favorites]


Trump has a new toy basically so he's focused on it. One the novelty wears off, the polls don't immediately jump up, some tweet gets under his skin, he's asked a tough question, or hell, he's asked what specifically he has regrets for or is sorry for and he says like he did before that he's sorry for nothing, it'll be Trump being true Trump again. It was one speech. If he's shown anything, it's that he can't maintain even an appearance of normality.
posted by chris24 at 6:19 AM on August 19, 2016


Trump surrogate defends Breitbart hire.

Surrogate unsurprisingly fails to defend the indefensible. Interviewer rubs guy's nose in Breitbart stench, refuses to take no answer for an answer. Journalism not yet dead.

An excerpt from a longer excerpt on DailyKos:
Joy Reid: Hold on Steve, let me get my question back in there again, because you didn’t answer my initial question. Because my question to you is who is this designed to resonate with, who is not already a Donald Trump supporter? In the primary he was running for Republican support. This was not a general election.

Steve Cortes: Right.

Joy Reid: I want to read you headlines from Breitbart.com, which you’ve tried to paint as sort of a take on all-comers website: “Phony fascist tears: Obama cries during gun control speech”, “Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy”, “Trannies whine about hilarious Bruce Jenner Billboard”, and “Bill Kristol: Republican spoiler renegade Jew”.

I want to now give you another new set of information. This is the Southern Poverty Law Center which tracks hate groups. They track White supremacist movements, and they track the Alt-Right, which is sort of the dressed-up-in-suits version of the Neo-Nazis and White supremacist movements in the U.S.—Headline, is Breitbart.com becoming a media arm for the Alt-Right? The outlet has undergone a noticeable shift toward embracing ideas on the extremist fringe of the conservative Right; racist ideas, anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant ideas—all key tenets making up an emerging racist ideology known as the Alt-Right. So I’m going to ask you that question again.

Steve Cortes: O.K.

Joy Reid: Having a guy who runs that website that’s got headlines about Trannies, renegade Jew—quote unquote Bill Kristol—birth control makes women unattractive and crazy and which is now an arm of the Alt-Right—and you and I just discussed what the Alt-Right is. How is embracing the guy who runs that—who is that designed to add to Donald Trump’s support base?
Give it all the linkjuice ya got.
posted by valetta at 6:19 AM on August 19, 2016 [77 favorites]


The President is making some missteps here. And not even complex ones, they're dumb. Now you've got Trimp landing in Louisiana and about to surely make some bs 'heartfelt' statement about the flooding. Meanwhile, Republicans bankrupted the state. And Bush's lack of response to Katrina, (and the country's response in general) was one of the times I felt the worst about America.

The good thing is that none of this is on Hillary. Flint was a disaster as well, and if Trimp said anything or did anything about that, it was likely insignificant, I don't remember it. (For the record, I'm going to call him Trimp from time to time, because that look is emblematic of what it would look like if his appearance matched his grotesque statements)

But the last thing I need right now is him trying to act like he cares about Louisiana, while trying to negatively portray the president.
posted by cashman at 6:22 AM on August 19, 2016


and they track the Alt-Right, which is a sort of the dressed-up-in-suits version of the Neo-Nazis and White supremacist movements in the U.S.

damn, son. nailed it.
posted by murphy slaw at 6:23 AM on August 19, 2016 [6 favorites]


dude, the governor of Louisiana told Obama not to come because his security needs would pull away essential first responders. i'm sure he's pleased as punch that fuckface mcclownstick is parachuting into the middle of an ongoing disaster to score some cheap points
posted by murphy slaw at 6:27 AM on August 19, 2016 [50 favorites]


LA's gov has been pretty vocal that he doesn't want to have to deal with the logistics of a Presidential visit right now.
posted by saturday_morning at 6:27 AM on August 19, 2016 [15 favorites]


I'm waiting for Trump to go to LA and say "Barack Obama doesn't care about black people" [fake -- SO FAR]. That's the vibe I'm getting from The Usual Suspects On Facebook.

It's really too bad that Trump is hitting his floor among minorities (i.e. zero). But it'll be interesting to see after the election how the GOP spins the fact that 95% or more of their voters are white.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:35 AM on August 19, 2016


Yeah, Louisiana's governor doesn't seem too thrilled about Trump's visit:
"Donald Trump hasn’t called the governor to inform him of his visit," a spokesman for Edwards' office said in a statement Thursday evening. "We welcome him to LA but not for a photo-op. Instead we hope he’ll consider volunteering or making a sizable donation to the LA Flood Relief Fund to help the victims of the storm."
[source]
posted by marshmallow peep at 6:39 AM on August 19, 2016 [40 favorites]


From before the primaries, but makes a relevant point. Turns out primary debates matter way more than the generals
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 6:39 AM on August 19, 2016


"Instead we hope he’ll consider volunteering or making a sizable donation to the LA Flood Relief Fund to help the victims of the storm."

Or saying he'll make one and then getting someone else to pony it up. Or claiming that the raised visibility of Louisiana because of his visit counts as a donation.
posted by Etrigan at 6:44 AM on August 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Instead we hope he’ll consider volunteering or making a sizable donation to the LA Flood Relief Fund to help the victims of the storm.

Trump will of course go to LA, claim he did either or both, then by the time the press catches up to the lies he'll be on to the next shitshow.

I have to say, I worry that Trump's new team will be able to play Trump's game at full bore without shame. We'll look back on the post-convention clown show with laughter but what is to come may be really terrifying -- and effective.
posted by argybarg at 6:47 AM on August 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


WaPo [opinion]: Donald Trump (maybe) finally pivots! It (probably) won’t work.
One speech coming hard on a(nother) campaign shake-up then can't be — or shouldn't be — considered a pivot. It's like losing 10 pounds on the first five days of a diet. It's not about the initial weight loss. It's about sticking to the diet plan, which usually requires an extended commitment to changing your lifestyle. That's how success is judged.

Then there's the fact that Trump is not only badly behind in most key swing state polling but also has an image problem that makes Clinton's issues seem like small potatoes.
posted by ZeusHumms at 6:49 AM on August 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


If Bannon manages to get Trump in line when no one else could then he's terrifying; the Bloomberg piece described him as a smarter version of Trump, and I can already see why. From what I know of Breitbart, if he is handed any semblance of power he'd tear our country apart at the seems -perhaps even more so than the candidate he's campaigning for.

Hoping this speech was a one-off.
posted by CottonCandyCapers at 6:54 AM on August 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


I wish some reporter would ask Katrina Pierson to define "dysphasia."

Also she said "Maneurism" for "mannerism" and no one noticed.
posted by spitbull at 6:57 AM on August 19, 2016


MinnPost [fact]: Trump's Minneapolis fundraiser: long on security, short on Republican politicians
Security for the GOP presidential candidate is of such high concern that it forced the Trump campaign to cancel a public rally and to relocate the fundraiser from the Minneapolis Club to the convention center.
Convention center has more exit points, less likely to be literally besieged by protestors.
posted by ZeusHumms at 6:58 AM on August 19, 2016


After Trump attempted to seem normal last night, I feel like when he speaks these next few days he will resemble the 'The Bug' character from Men in Black. Barely holding it together, looking and feeling odd and strange, and clearly appearing uncomfortable. All of his disgustingness bursting at the seams of his suits. From time to time he will unwittingly let some diseased statements crawl out from as he lurches from place to place across the country trying to complete his mission.

Closer to the election, his campaign, surrogates and staff will probably drop any pretense and emerge as a towering pile of hate, intent on ruining everything we have in the world. If the film is any indication he will be close to succeeding but at a pivotal moment will be unable to resist getting baited into defending some gross statement he made, and that's when he'll get destroyed.
posted by cashman at 6:59 AM on August 19, 2016 [10 favorites]




Well that explains the campaign shakeup. Sounds like he's going to be dealing with the cops and/or lawyers pretty soon.
posted by zombieflanders at 7:01 AM on August 19, 2016


Also she said "Maneurism" for "mannerism" and no one noticed.

That is too perfect. I'm going to use that one the next time some guy freaks the hell out about some issue that he swears threatens his masculinity. Like people who freak out and won't let their sons touch anything pink.
posted by cashman at 7:01 AM on August 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


Robert Costa reports that Manafort has resigned.

The timing is fantastic.
posted by cashman at 7:02 AM on August 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Robert Costa reports that Manafort has resigned.

Damn, son.

Provided we don't all starve in a nuclear winter, the books resulting from all this are going to be fascinating in about 3 years.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:03 AM on August 19, 2016 [22 favorites]


Trump only hires the best people.
posted by PenDevil at 7:05 AM on August 19, 2016 [11 favorites]


SCOOP: A close friend of Manafort tells me he has resigned.

"Just keep my name out of it." -- Archlich Xonolotep the Unseeing
posted by leotrotsky at 7:05 AM on August 19, 2016 [39 favorites]


As @lyndynn put it, "I believe it's customary to tender formal resignation before fleeing the country."
posted by Spathe Cadet at 7:07 AM on August 19, 2016 [21 favorites]


>"Just keep my name out of it." -- Archlich Xonolotep the Unseeing

Obviously, since the Archlich cannot be truly "named" as we understand the convention.
posted by Tevin at 7:08 AM on August 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


So the press' ridiculous fawning about Trump's pivot is going to be run over by stories and questions about the sudden resignation of his Russia-connected campaign manager. The Keystone Kampaign can really ruin even the biggest, best gift.
posted by chris24 at 7:08 AM on August 19, 2016 [3 favorites]


The scoop isn't that he resigned, it's that he has a friend.
posted by um at 7:09 AM on August 19, 2016 [53 favorites]


Vox [opinion]: Donald Trump’s latest pivot is a reminder that he’s a media celebrity, not a businessman
[The pivot] comes as a reminder of a fundamental truth of this campaign: Trump isn’t really a businessman in the conventional sense anymore, and hasn’t been for some time. He’s a television star.

...

Trump really was a businessman for a while, a real estate developer and then a casino mogul, but he was bad at it. He inherited a real estate empire from his father and drove it into bankruptcy. He walked away from the experience with fame. Fame that he was able to leverage, over time, into more fame that he leveraged into more money. It was clever, but it was ultimately savvy media work more than savvy business dealings.
posted by ZeusHumms at 7:14 AM on August 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Trump, showing an athleticism his staff had never seen, races down the steps of Trump tower, four, five, six steps at a time, shoving staff out of the way, sending papers flying. Outside Manafort is about to get into his taxi, finally realizing that dealing with the Russians and Ukraine is far more desirable than the human Cheeto.

Trump finally catches up to the car as Manafort rolls down the window.

"Don, I told you, I resign."
"You can't resign," Trump says, giving it a beat for dramatic effect, "You're FIRED!"

Trump looks around, waiting for the teeming masses to start applauding. [fake]
posted by splen at 7:15 AM on August 19, 2016 [27 favorites]


Joy Reid: Having a guy who runs that website that’s got headlines about Trannies, renegade Jew—quote unquote Bill Kristol—birth control makes women unattractive and crazy and which is now an arm of the Alt-Right—and you and I just discussed what the Alt-Right is. How is embracing the guy who runs that—who is that designed to add to Donald Trump’s support base?

I think I've said this before, but really, Joy Reid needs to replace Chris Matthews. For all of the "hardball" he thinks he plays, he just basically does loud stream-of-consciousness blathering. She, on the other hand, actually plays hardball.
posted by Sophie1 at 7:18 AM on August 19, 2016 [41 favorites]


Trump wasn't Trump tonight. He was a megaphone spouting off Breitbart copy. It was organized and structured. Nuanced. That's terrible news.

Eh, give him a couple days to get distracted.
posted by leotrotsky at 7:19 AM on August 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


Manafort has resigned.

AHAHAHAH I can't even think of a popcorn joke to make that has not already been made. Need to move on to the harder stuff.

Bring me my Jujubes! A 200-ounce vat of Diet Coke, also, please.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:20 AM on August 19, 2016 [4 favorites]


The Manafart has been expelled, but the stench remains hanging in the air...
posted by Devonian at 7:23 AM on August 19, 2016


Manafort resigning has just been confirmed

And I agree. Give Trump a little time to get bored of this and he'll be back to his old self.
posted by Francis at 7:23 AM on August 19, 2016


Would this be the appropriate venue to talk about the time yesterday where my four-year-old turned to me and announced "Mommy, you're fired."

The look on my face was quite literally ಠ___ಠ

I even mute the radio in the car when there's a Trump soundbite on, so he doesn't hear it (also so I don't have to hear it). I have no idea where he got that.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:24 AM on August 19, 2016 [9 favorites]


SCOOP: A close friend of Manafort tells me he has resigned.

It's official. Donald J. Trump Statement
This morning Paul Manafort offered, and I accepted, his resignation from the campaign. I am very appreciative for his great work in helping to get us where we are today, and in particular his work guiding us through the delegate and convention process. Paul is a– Donald J. Trump
Link goes to Boston Globe
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 7:25 AM on August 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


marshmallow peep: Instead we hope he’ll consider volunteering or making a sizable donation to the LA Flood Relief Fund to help the victims of the storm

And if he says he'll donate, make sure the check clears before you agree on any press coverage for the "act of generosity."


> Trump wasn't Trump tonight. He was a megaphone spouting off Breitbart copy. It was organized and structured. Nuanced. That's terrible news.

> Eh, give him a couple days to get distracted.

Or just give him his phone back, and "accidentally" give it to him with a photo of someone looking uncomfortable by one of those new statues.
posted by filthy light thief at 7:25 AM on August 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Gah, listening to Diane rhemes show, and the media personalities are all "baton rouge is Obama's Katrina for not showing up on the ground", despite the fact that the Gov has asked him not to come right now. There also talking about how great the brietbart additions to the Papayas staff are. NPR, it's like I don't even know you anymore.

Edit to add, now they're going off on the Hillary email thing about how it shows she can't be trusted.
posted by SecretAgentSockpuppet at 7:26 AM on August 19, 2016 [10 favorites]


Would this be the appropriate venue to talk about the time yesterday where my four-year-old turned to me and announced "Mommy, you're fired."

The look on my face was quite literally ಠ___ಠ

I even mute the radio in the car when there's a Trump soundbite on, so he doesn't hear it (also so I don't have to hear it). I have no idea where he got that.


Kids, like real sponges, absorb things both wonderful and toxic.
posted by filthy light thief at 7:26 AM on August 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


The New Yorker : What Are Donald Trump, Roger Ailes, and Steve Bannon Really Up To?

Speculates on the probability of a TBN (Trump Breitbart News) network to rival and out-Fox Fox.
posted by valetta at 7:27 AM on August 19, 2016 [7 favorites]


SecretAgentSockpuppet: NPR, it's like I don't even know you anymore.

Whenever I get pissed off at NPR's coverage of politics, I take solace in their more diverse coverage of the rest of the world, which is completely missing from other US-based news feeds.
posted by filthy light thief at 7:28 AM on August 19, 2016 [13 favorites]


Anyone else remember when getting Manafort on board was supposed to be this massive coup for the Trump campaign?
posted by kyrademon at 7:30 AM on August 19, 2016 [5 favorites]


Gah, listening to Diane rhemes show, and the media personalities are all "baton rouge is Obama's Katrina for not showing up on the ground", despite the fact that the Gov has asked him not to come right now.

The coverage I'm hearing today on NPR's Morning Edition is less blamey and less emotionally manipulative than the comments from the DR show, BUT I have not yet heard them mention that the governor asked the president not to show up and pull away first responder resources. I only heard that here.
posted by puddledork at 7:31 AM on August 19, 2016 [2 favorites]


valetta: Speculates on the probability of a TBN (Trump Breitbart News) network to rival and out-Fox Fox.

I wonder what would happen if they flank Fox and go farther/ alt'r right - would Fox try to pull that way, or pitch itself as the "centered" conservative network? And if Fox pulls harder right, would it tug the rest that way? Which way will the Overton window shift?
posted by filthy light thief at 7:31 AM on August 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Remember when Manafort was the most craven member of his staff? These folks make Lee Atwater look like Aldai Stevenson (shout out to 2 straight weeks of pbs docs)
posted by Potomac Avenue at 7:33 AM on August 19, 2016 [1 favorite]


Nate Silver on Twitter: Not surprising given the recent news: you might even say it was MANAFORT'S DESTINY.
posted by waitingtoderail at 7:34 AM on August 19, 2016 [56 favorites]


Which way will the Overton window shift?

At this point I think it's safe to say that the Overton window is fully broken and is lying in a million pieces in the Overton front yard.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:34 AM on August 19, 2016 [44 favorites]


Weeping_angel: "When he says &