A description of the camp and protests
November 30, 2016 7:03 AM Subscribe
Of course the odds of the UN getting involved are basically zero, but still... damn
Hell, I'm even running out of hope that Obama is playing some sort of three dimensional chess that will eventually show him to be standing on the side of good in this episode of Our National Shame (brought to you by TheLoveOfMoneyTM).
At this point nothing will surprise me, short of, ya'know, the native peoples and those supporting them winning anything more than a modicum of victory. I'm fully prepared to see, in no particular order,
- A protester to be killed by officials or hired thugs while demonstrating, double bonus points if the authorities blame it on his or her fellow protesters. We've already seen, as my time for following things have allowed, a potential amputation [warning, graphic] and a loss of an eye perhaps.
- A further escalation of the forces standing against them, actual tanks or military choppers (if those haven't already shown up).
- A total camp sweep and clear a la the Bonus Army Hooverville of past days.
- In a perfect storm of schadenfreude, further denial of supplies and/or water to the camp itself.
2016. Among other things, the year it became crystal clear how people in power, even those we generally admire and respect, still give little to no shits about native peoples.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:41 AM on November 30, 2016 [10 favorites]
Hell, I'm even running out of hope that Obama is playing some sort of three dimensional chess that will eventually show him to be standing on the side of good in this episode of Our National Shame (brought to you by TheLoveOfMoneyTM).
At this point nothing will surprise me, short of, ya'know, the native peoples and those supporting them winning anything more than a modicum of victory. I'm fully prepared to see, in no particular order,
- A protester to be killed by officials or hired thugs while demonstrating, double bonus points if the authorities blame it on his or her fellow protesters. We've already seen, as my time for following things have allowed, a potential amputation [warning, graphic] and a loss of an eye perhaps.
- A further escalation of the forces standing against them, actual tanks or military choppers (if those haven't already shown up).
- A total camp sweep and clear a la the Bonus Army Hooverville of past days.
- In a perfect storm of schadenfreude, further denial of supplies and/or water to the camp itself.
2016. Among other things, the year it became crystal clear how people in power, even those we generally admire and respect, still give little to no shits about native peoples.
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:41 AM on November 30, 2016 [10 favorites]
Thank you for posting this. Not sure if this background info has been on the blue before: #StandingRockSyllabus (includes 80MB PDF of sources recommended on the syllabus).
posted by Wobbuffet at 7:48 AM on November 30, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by Wobbuffet at 7:48 AM on November 30, 2016 [2 favorites]
first, they came for the sioux and i did not speak up because i wasn't sioux....
posted by entropicamericana at 8:03 AM on November 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by entropicamericana at 8:03 AM on November 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
What is the mainstream media coverage of the DAPL protests like in the US? Some indie political podcasts I listen to report that it's woefully underreported. Which would not surprise me as the US media insist on calling Nazis the "alt-right" so why would they bother with constantly covering an important event as this one.
posted by Kitteh at 8:22 AM on November 30, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by Kitteh at 8:22 AM on November 30, 2016 [2 favorites]
I was speaking to a Lakota buddy of mine from college, and wanted to know if she had any book recommendations for people who wanted to know more about the history in that part of the world.
Her recommendations, off the top of her very busy head, were (all links Amazon):
Genocide of the Mind, an anthology
Custer Died for Your Sins, by Vine Deloria, Jr., who was very prolific, and
Neither Wolf nor Dog, by Kent Nerburn (but NOT the movie version, she was hilariously clear)
She also recommended the 1992 movie Thunderheart.
posted by lauranesson at 8:33 AM on November 30, 2016 [7 favorites]
Her recommendations, off the top of her very busy head, were (all links Amazon):
Genocide of the Mind, an anthology
Custer Died for Your Sins, by Vine Deloria, Jr., who was very prolific, and
Neither Wolf nor Dog, by Kent Nerburn (but NOT the movie version, she was hilariously clear)
She also recommended the 1992 movie Thunderheart.
posted by lauranesson at 8:33 AM on November 30, 2016 [7 favorites]
Which would not surprise me as the US media insist on calling Nazis the "alt-right" so why would they bother with constantly covering an important event as this one.
You'd think it would at least be good for a "oh look there are extremists on both sides" hot take
posted by thelonius at 8:39 AM on November 30, 2016
You'd think it would at least be good for a "oh look there are extremists on both sides" hot take
posted by thelonius at 8:39 AM on November 30, 2016
The lesson of Malheur was "Bring Guns."
This should never have been "A Protest". This should have been an armed occupation.
posted by Xyanthilous P. Harrierstick at 8:58 AM on November 30, 2016
This should never have been "A Protest". This should have been an armed occupation.
posted by Xyanthilous P. Harrierstick at 8:58 AM on November 30, 2016
The lesson of Malheur was "Bring Guns."
This should never have been "A Protest". This should have been an armed occupation.
I think the response would have been far more bloody if the protesters were armed. The police perceive a big difference between white people with guns and anyone else with guns.
posted by dazed_one at 9:01 AM on November 30, 2016 [14 favorites]
This should never have been "A Protest". This should have been an armed occupation.
I think the response would have been far more bloody if the protesters were armed. The police perceive a big difference between white people with guns and anyone else with guns.
posted by dazed_one at 9:01 AM on November 30, 2016 [14 favorites]
The lesson of Malheur was "Bring Guns."
If you're white.
posted by rocketman at 9:01 AM on November 30, 2016 [12 favorites]
If you're white.
posted by rocketman at 9:01 AM on November 30, 2016 [12 favorites]
the lesson of malheur was "be conservative straight while males of a certain age"
posted by entropicamericana at 9:02 AM on November 30, 2016 [13 favorites]
posted by entropicamericana at 9:02 AM on November 30, 2016 [13 favorites]
You'd think it would at least be good for a "oh look there are extremists on both sides" hot take
To be fair, the two sides are pretty extreme.
On one hand you have non-violent protesters on land that legally belongs to them fighting for a livable climate and drinkable water for everyone.
And on the other, you have mercenaries and militarized police of the empire built on the almost total genocide of these same people.
Quite extreme, really.
posted by [expletive deleted] at 9:05 AM on November 30, 2016 [14 favorites]
To be fair, the two sides are pretty extreme.
On one hand you have non-violent protesters on land that legally belongs to them fighting for a livable climate and drinkable water for everyone.
And on the other, you have mercenaries and militarized police of the empire built on the almost total genocide of these same people.
Quite extreme, really.
posted by [expletive deleted] at 9:05 AM on November 30, 2016 [14 favorites]
Yeah, I think the idea of reframing the water protectors as armed occupiers is actually completely incorrect because what this is, is a group of people living in a sovereign nation protecting land granted to them in a treaty over a hundred years ago from business interests with the weight of a militarized police state behind them.
posted by ChuraChura at 9:13 AM on November 30, 2016 [7 favorites]
posted by ChuraChura at 9:13 AM on November 30, 2016 [7 favorites]
I'm even running out of hope that Obama is playing some sort of three dimensional chess that will eventually show him to be standing on the side of good in this episode of Our National Shame
People need to let go of this. Government is less West Wing and much more Yes, Minister. There isn't a grand mastermind behind the curtain, but a bunch of people trying desperately to keep the plates spinning. The best you can hope for is a government that has a plan to keep everything spinning like a top, while judiciously adding a few new ones as the scheduling in the spin-boost rota allows.
And then we have the plate smashers, who just like the sound of breaking crockery.
posted by bonehead at 10:09 AM on November 30, 2016 [4 favorites]
People need to let go of this. Government is less West Wing and much more Yes, Minister. There isn't a grand mastermind behind the curtain, but a bunch of people trying desperately to keep the plates spinning. The best you can hope for is a government that has a plan to keep everything spinning like a top, while judiciously adding a few new ones as the scheduling in the spin-boost rota allows.
And then we have the plate smashers, who just like the sound of breaking crockery.
posted by bonehead at 10:09 AM on November 30, 2016 [4 favorites]
It's not like this is some kind of great dilemma requiring skillful maneuvering and delicate consideration. Obama is the lamest of ducks, and he certainly understands the science; doing the right thing here just requires a tiny bit of courage and not being a complete fucking nihilist. But no, it looks like he's about to join Justin Trudeau in the land of who gives a shit, nothing matters.
posted by [expletive deleted] at 11:05 AM on November 30, 2016 [10 favorites]
posted by [expletive deleted] at 11:05 AM on November 30, 2016 [10 favorites]
Science, hell, peaceful protesters getting killed and the morality of that is something you can explain to a 6-year-old.
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 11:30 AM on November 30, 2016 [4 favorites]
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 11:30 AM on November 30, 2016 [4 favorites]
This is horrifying and has definitely overtaken any anxiety I might have had that Donald Trump will be leading us on the path to fascism. I watched the live feed from Kevin Gilbert (this is a facebook link) ten days ago, of tear gas and water-cannons in sub-freezing temperatures, and rubber bullets and flash-bang grenades being used on unarmed protestors. This is our government Right Now.
There is a gofundme to help the poor woman whose arm was blown off linked in this article.
Closer to my neck of the woods, there is another pipeline being built, the Sabal Trail Pipeline. This weekend I participated in a protest there, which was also a Standing Rock Solidarity protest, which received no media attention, but definitely had a police presence. It was a little nerve-wracking, because the organizers were pretty inexperienced, and didn't know for sure how to organize a civil-disobedience action, (or avoid doing so) and 14 people had been arrested previously for trespassing without preparing for that.
There were maybe 40 of us protesting, and there were maybe a dozen cops. I don't really know why the hell the whole county sheriff's department had to be there to keep their eyes on a few dozen old hippies and college kids waving signs on a dirt road. There was also a dude that was with the pipeline's private security, driving around filming us, driving alongside our lineup and getting close-ups. So, oh no, once again the fossil-fuel industry has a picture of me and knows I'm a "troublemaker."
Global warming is real, and happening, and American cities are regularly flooding because of it, and yet rather than rapidly upscaling renewable energy infrastructure we're still using the full force of the gubmint to make sure the fossil fuels flow such that not a single drop ever be left in the ground. Trump's promised to make it worse: he doesn't even believe in climate change and he seems ok with hippie-punching, and has even said that he will increase coal, which would be mind-numbingly stupid. So, as badly as this is going during the Obama administration, there is probably room for it to go downhill more and faster soon.
We could be transitioning to 100% renewable energy, with more jobs and less pollution, and building a better world. It takes political will and we don't even have another long term option. I hope we can save us from ourselves. I wish peace for the water protectors at Standing Rock.
posted by Cookiebastard at 11:43 AM on November 30, 2016 [5 favorites]
There is a gofundme to help the poor woman whose arm was blown off linked in this article.
Closer to my neck of the woods, there is another pipeline being built, the Sabal Trail Pipeline. This weekend I participated in a protest there, which was also a Standing Rock Solidarity protest, which received no media attention, but definitely had a police presence. It was a little nerve-wracking, because the organizers were pretty inexperienced, and didn't know for sure how to organize a civil-disobedience action, (or avoid doing so) and 14 people had been arrested previously for trespassing without preparing for that.
There were maybe 40 of us protesting, and there were maybe a dozen cops. I don't really know why the hell the whole county sheriff's department had to be there to keep their eyes on a few dozen old hippies and college kids waving signs on a dirt road. There was also a dude that was with the pipeline's private security, driving around filming us, driving alongside our lineup and getting close-ups. So, oh no, once again the fossil-fuel industry has a picture of me and knows I'm a "troublemaker."
Global warming is real, and happening, and American cities are regularly flooding because of it, and yet rather than rapidly upscaling renewable energy infrastructure we're still using the full force of the gubmint to make sure the fossil fuels flow such that not a single drop ever be left in the ground. Trump's promised to make it worse: he doesn't even believe in climate change and he seems ok with hippie-punching, and has even said that he will increase coal, which would be mind-numbingly stupid. So, as badly as this is going during the Obama administration, there is probably room for it to go downhill more and faster soon.
We could be transitioning to 100% renewable energy, with more jobs and less pollution, and building a better world. It takes political will and we don't even have another long term option. I hope we can save us from ourselves. I wish peace for the water protectors at Standing Rock.
posted by Cookiebastard at 11:43 AM on November 30, 2016 [5 favorites]
DAPL wasn't get much media attention here on the Canadian west coast until Amy Goodman got that charge, and around the same time some people from University of Northern BC traveled down there to protest and were arrested. After that, for about a week, there were regular updates multiple times per day which got me a little hopeful, but since then it's slipped back to being something that pops up briefly every few days on the evening news.
She also recommended the 1992 movie Thunderheart.
also in short film form - RATM's old Freedom music video
posted by mannequito at 12:33 PM on November 30, 2016
She also recommended the 1992 movie Thunderheart.
also in short film form - RATM's old Freedom music video
posted by mannequito at 12:33 PM on November 30, 2016
People need to let go of this. Government is less West Wing and much more Yes, Minister. There isn't a grand mastermind behind the curtain, but a bunch of people trying desperately to keep the plates spinning. The best you can hope for is a government that has a plan to keep everything spinning like a top, while judiciously adding a few new ones as the scheduling in the spin-boost rota allows.
Cool. I'll toddle right on down to the demonstrators camps and tell them that they need to just fucking let it go because overt help isn't coming and, obviously, they shouldn't be expecting their plate to be added to the spinning menagerie because they haven't filled out the proper forms to get their registry listing of white bone china in the queue like all the other shit that matters. Tough cookies.
There's reasons (though I don't agree with them) why he might not act. Reasons that may actually be more valid than my preferences, I'm not a politician nor an expert in policy.... but excusing Obama washing his hands by taking no significant action on this because it's somehow a bridge too far for him, in his situation, is some weak sauce indeed.
posted by RolandOfEld at 1:34 PM on November 30, 2016 [4 favorites]
Cool. I'll toddle right on down to the demonstrators camps and tell them that they need to just fucking let it go because overt help isn't coming and, obviously, they shouldn't be expecting their plate to be added to the spinning menagerie because they haven't filled out the proper forms to get their registry listing of white bone china in the queue like all the other shit that matters. Tough cookies.
There's reasons (though I don't agree with them) why he might not act. Reasons that may actually be more valid than my preferences, I'm not a politician nor an expert in policy.... but excusing Obama washing his hands by taking no significant action on this because it's somehow a bridge too far for him, in his situation, is some weak sauce indeed.
posted by RolandOfEld at 1:34 PM on November 30, 2016 [4 favorites]
...they shouldn't be expecting their plate to be added to the spinning menagerie
That's pretty much the opposite of how it works, in fact. Effective activism that leverages the media well is often the quickest way to get notice.
My point was simply that the control at the top is usually much more ephemeral and illusory than popular imagination supposes.
posted by bonehead at 2:37 PM on November 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
That's pretty much the opposite of how it works, in fact. Effective activism that leverages the media well is often the quickest way to get notice.
My point was simply that the control at the top is usually much more ephemeral and illusory than popular imagination supposes.
posted by bonehead at 2:37 PM on November 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
firing on medics with clear insignia in the performance of their duties is a textbook violation of the Geneva Convention.
Putting aside the dubious substance, the GC only applies to armed conflicts, not domestic law enforcement.
posted by jpe at 3:20 PM on November 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
Putting aside the dubious substance, the GC only applies to armed conflicts, not domestic law enforcement.
posted by jpe at 3:20 PM on November 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
On one hand you have non-violent protesters on land that legally belongs to them fighting
Other than the woman that shot at cops, the molotov cocktails, or the guy they ran off the road before burning his truck to the ground?
And they're on federal land. Not Indian land.
posted by jpe at 3:23 PM on November 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
Other than the woman that shot at cops, the molotov cocktails, or the guy they ran off the road before burning his truck to the ground?
And they're on federal land. Not Indian land.
posted by jpe at 3:23 PM on November 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
The lesson of Malheur was "Bring Guns."
Well, the Bundy clan made it a month, while the protesters have been illegally on federal land for 3 months.
posted by jpe at 3:24 PM on November 30, 2016
Well, the Bundy clan made it a month, while the protesters have been illegally on federal land for 3 months.
posted by jpe at 3:24 PM on November 30, 2016
They're on "federal land" due the federal government simply deciding yet again that it can unilaterally just take whatever land it wants from the tribes.
The morton county sheriffs were very clearly lying about a propane canister explosion being responsible for that woman's arm injury (to make a propane canister explode, you need to close its vents and add fire. their evidence picture showed an enraptured canister).
Protestors caught someone with a DAPL badge and firearms trying to get into their camp to pose as one of them.
jpe, you might not want to uncritically accept the energy company's stories.
posted by flaterik at 3:35 PM on November 30, 2016 [6 favorites]
The morton county sheriffs were very clearly lying about a propane canister explosion being responsible for that woman's arm injury (to make a propane canister explode, you need to close its vents and add fire. their evidence picture showed an enraptured canister).
Protestors caught someone with a DAPL badge and firearms trying to get into their camp to pose as one of them.
jpe, you might not want to uncritically accept the energy company's stories.
posted by flaterik at 3:35 PM on November 30, 2016 [6 favorites]
Oh, yes, protestors have also recovered a CS canister with ITS vents taped shut, which will basically turn it into a frag grenade.
Even if the protests are illegal, this is reprehensible behavior.
posted by flaterik at 3:45 PM on November 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
Even if the protests are illegal, this is reprehensible behavior.
posted by flaterik at 3:45 PM on November 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
Re: media coverage of the DAPL protests, this has been making the rounds on my FB feed this morning: U.S. border agents stopped journalist from entry and took his phones (WaPo). He's being supported by the ACLU.
posted by invokeuse at 4:40 PM on November 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by invokeuse at 4:40 PM on November 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
Mod note: Folks, when someone makes unsupported claims and doubles down on them, flag that shit. I'm not pleased to have to delete twenty comments when one would have done. Thanks.
posted by restless_nomad (staff) at 6:42 PM on November 30, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by restless_nomad (staff) at 6:42 PM on November 30, 2016 [2 favorites]
U.S. veterans to form human shield at Dakota pipeline protest (Reuters)
posted by bukvich at 9:47 PM on November 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by bukvich at 9:47 PM on November 30, 2016 [1 favorite]
Putting aside the dubious substance, the GC only applies to armed conflicts, not domestic law enforcement.
True, but if the best thing you can say in defense of your actions is "hey, this isn't technically a war crime!" you might want to reconsider the decisions you've made.
posted by Itaxpica at 10:01 PM on November 30, 2016 [6 favorites]
True, but if the best thing you can say in defense of your actions is "hey, this isn't technically a war crime!" you might want to reconsider the decisions you've made.
posted by Itaxpica at 10:01 PM on November 30, 2016 [6 favorites]
which is to say nothing of the question of whether you can really call this 'domestic law enforcement' considering the quasi-autonomous nature of tribal land and the fact that from one perspective this could be seen as a hostile occupying force attacking members of a separate sovereign nation, but that's one for the lawyers
posted by Itaxpica at 10:03 PM on November 30, 2016 [2 favorites]
posted by Itaxpica at 10:03 PM on November 30, 2016 [2 favorites]
the GC only applies to armed conflicts, not domestic law enforcement.
So you're saying it's ok to shoot at people helping the wounded as long as it's not in a war?
posted by dazed_one at 11:06 PM on November 30, 2016 [3 favorites]
So you're saying it's ok to shoot at people helping the wounded as long as it's not in a war?
posted by dazed_one at 11:06 PM on November 30, 2016 [3 favorites]
CS gas is banned by the Geneva Convention, yet it's constantly used by police against unarmed protesters. The GC simply doesn't apply to police. One of the many, many fucked up things about modern policing is that nobody has a law requiring police to hold themselves to the GC as a bare minimum not-committing-crimes-against-humanity standard.
Police have far less restrictive rules of engagement, as well. Every time there's an unjustified police shooting, you get military people talking about how strict their rules of engagement are in a war zone versus what cops get away with.
Policing is deeply, deeply fucked up.
posted by tobascodagama at 5:33 AM on December 1, 2016 [5 favorites]
Police have far less restrictive rules of engagement, as well. Every time there's an unjustified police shooting, you get military people talking about how strict their rules of engagement are in a war zone versus what cops get away with.
Policing is deeply, deeply fucked up.
posted by tobascodagama at 5:33 AM on December 1, 2016 [5 favorites]
21st Century confluences, so far: It's not okay to interfere with a business that's only trying to make a buck. You can't stand your ground in North Dakota.
Stay tuned.
posted by mule98J at 11:30 AM on December 1, 2016 [1 favorite]
Stay tuned.
posted by mule98J at 11:30 AM on December 1, 2016 [1 favorite]
Canadian reporter Ed Ou barred entry from US
But when he told US border officials at the Vancouver airport he was travelling to North Dakota to cover Standing Rock, he says they pulled him aside and proceeded to interrogate him for six hours. When he refused to unlock his mobile on the grounds that it contained confidential information about sources, they forcibly took his SIM cards and made copies of his reporter's notebook and personal diary.
Then they barred him from entering the US.
posted by bukvich at 7:20 AM on December 3, 2016 [1 favorite]
But when he told US border officials at the Vancouver airport he was travelling to North Dakota to cover Standing Rock, he says they pulled him aside and proceeded to interrogate him for six hours. When he refused to unlock his mobile on the grounds that it contained confidential information about sources, they forcibly took his SIM cards and made copies of his reporter's notebook and personal diary.
Then they barred him from entering the US.
posted by bukvich at 7:20 AM on December 3, 2016 [1 favorite]
According to this map of the pipeline route, the original route made one river crossing, of the Missouri River. The route through the reservation makes four river crossings, which seems much more expensive and prone to water contamination. Why couldn't they have re-routed further northeast of Bismarck?
posted by kirkaracha at 10:55 PM on December 3, 2016
posted by kirkaracha at 10:55 PM on December 3, 2016
Army Corps blocks route of Dakota Access oil pipeline
posted by Cookiebastard at 2:08 PM on December 4, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by Cookiebastard at 2:08 PM on December 4, 2016 [1 favorite]
Thousands of Veterans Descend on Standing Rock to Protect and Serve
posted by homunculus at 2:22 PM on December 4, 2016 [3 favorites]
posted by homunculus at 2:22 PM on December 4, 2016 [3 favorites]
Federal Officials to Explore Different Route for Dakota Pipeline
posted by homunculus at 2:34 PM on December 4, 2016 [1 favorite]
Federal officials announced on Sunday that they would not approve permits for construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline beneath a dammed section of the Missouri River that tribes say sits near sacred burial sites.Standing Rock protesters celebrate as Army Corps of Engineers halts DAPL project
The decision is a victory for hundreds, perhaps thousands, of protesters camped near the construction site who have opposed the project because they said would it threaten a water source and cultural sites. Federal officials had given the protesters until tomorrow to leave a campsite near the construction site.
posted by homunculus at 2:34 PM on December 4, 2016 [1 favorite]
It's time for celebration, elation and caution. The bravery and determination of everyone involved is inspiring. I find myself really moved by the Spirit Riders, their stunning horse-riding skills as well as their clear deep understanding of the battle they found themselves fighting. Did everyone see the photo of the kid standing on his horse's back because wow.
I'm really pleased to hear from initial reports that folks are gonna continue to stand on their ground. Tonight, however, celebration! Off to send a bit more money.
posted by pipoquinha at 2:47 PM on December 4, 2016 [1 favorite]
I'm really pleased to hear from initial reports that folks are gonna continue to stand on their ground. Tonight, however, celebration! Off to send a bit more money.
posted by pipoquinha at 2:47 PM on December 4, 2016 [1 favorite]
Related thread: Signs Of A Creepy Government Conspiracy At Standing Rock.
posted by homunculus at 5:46 PM on December 4, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by homunculus at 5:46 PM on December 4, 2016 [1 favorite]
I have never been so glad for the "recent activity" feature on Metafilter.
posted by aniola at 9:04 PM on December 4, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by aniola at 9:04 PM on December 4, 2016 [1 favorite]
This "victory" - it's just a decision by the Army Corps of Engineers, though, right? Is there any reason it couldn't be reversed Jan 21?
posted by corb at 8:07 AM on December 5, 2016 [1 favorite]
posted by corb at 8:07 AM on December 5, 2016 [1 favorite]
IIRC, there are some funding details that make it difficult for the pipeline company to continue on this same site if they don't start construction before some date, I want to say January 1. So the Corps of Engineers decision is the equivalent of a "pocket veto", as regards this attempt at pipeline construction.
Of course, as with a pocket veto, there's nothing stopping the company from starting the process again, but my understanding is that they will be starting pretty much from scratch. Definitely a victory, but also definitely a cause for vigilance in the coming years.
posted by tobascodagama at 9:09 AM on December 5, 2016
Of course, as with a pocket veto, there's nothing stopping the company from starting the process again, but my understanding is that they will be starting pretty much from scratch. Definitely a victory, but also definitely a cause for vigilance in the coming years.
posted by tobascodagama at 9:09 AM on December 5, 2016
The Dakota Access Pipeline Protest Was Victory in American Tradition. But the victory is likely temporary.
posted by homunculus at 11:55 AM on December 5, 2016
posted by homunculus at 11:55 AM on December 5, 2016
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Of course the odds of the UN getting involved are basically zero, but still... damn
posted by Itaxpica at 7:15 AM on November 30, 2016 [8 favorites]