Primates this week
January 12, 2017 9:06 PM Subscribe
Why Biologists Care About A Macaque And Deer Caught On Camera In Rare Interspecies Mating Act - "An unexpected pair has been caught in flagrante delicto and scientists got it all on tape. Primate researcher Marie Pelé and colleagues published a surprising note in the journal Primates this week—the second documented case of distantly related species attempting to mate with each other."
They charmingly/naively seem to be not including humans in their N=2.
posted by Rumple at 9:15 PM on January 12, 2017 [29 favorites]
posted by Rumple at 9:15 PM on January 12, 2017 [29 favorites]
Like Rumple says, we have a lot more than two examples, both serious (bestiality) and funny (every video of a dog humpiing a person).
posted by Dip Flash at 9:20 PM on January 12, 2017 [6 favorites]
posted by Dip Flash at 9:20 PM on January 12, 2017 [6 favorites]
The "QUOTE OF THE DAY" presented to me by Forbes' indignant "how dare you have an ad-blocker installed, you wench" algorithm when I tried to access the first link seems oddly apropos:
You’re never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream. -- C.S. Lewisposted by Hermione Granger at 9:31 PM on January 12, 2017 [24 favorites]
Cross-species sex: not just for politicians.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 9:36 PM on January 12, 2017 [8 favorites]
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 9:36 PM on January 12, 2017 [8 favorites]
Cross-species sex: not just for politicians.
If anyone thinks that's a crack at David Cameron, I assure you it is so much more.
posted by figurant at 9:48 PM on January 12, 2017 [12 favorites]
If anyone thinks that's a crack at David Cameron, I assure you it is so much more.
posted by figurant at 9:48 PM on January 12, 2017 [12 favorites]
this is where the internet took me tonight.
posted by Annika Cicada at 9:48 PM on January 12, 2017 [8 favorites]
posted by Annika Cicada at 9:48 PM on January 12, 2017 [8 favorites]
I thought there were a lot of instances of dolphins trying to fuck people.
posted by anazgnos at 9:52 PM on January 12, 2017 [3 favorites]
posted by anazgnos at 9:52 PM on January 12, 2017 [3 favorites]
I have to say that the deer in Nara stink, and everyone dislikes monkeys.
posted by My Dad at 9:53 PM on January 12, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by My Dad at 9:53 PM on January 12, 2017 [2 favorites]
They charmingly/naively seem to be not including humans in their N=2.
Related to this, the currently-pending Kentucky House Bill 143 would criminalize the sexual assault of a pet cat or dog. It would not address sex with other animals. According to Dee Robinson of the Kentucky Citizens Against Animal Abuse and Domestic Violence, author of the bill, this is by design, "to avoid antagonizing hunters and farmers".
posted by kafziel at 9:54 PM on January 12, 2017 [55 favorites]
Related to this, the currently-pending Kentucky House Bill 143 would criminalize the sexual assault of a pet cat or dog. It would not address sex with other animals. According to Dee Robinson of the Kentucky Citizens Against Animal Abuse and Domestic Violence, author of the bill, this is by design, "to avoid antagonizing hunters and farmers".
posted by kafziel at 9:54 PM on January 12, 2017 [55 favorites]
I think this PROVES LOVE
posted by Soliloquy at 9:57 PM on January 12, 2017 [11 favorites]
posted by Soliloquy at 9:57 PM on January 12, 2017 [11 favorites]
As far as I can tell, and by no means am I anything close to an expert on the subject, and it's possible my arguably poor eyesight and/or biases might have filtered out a few important frames, the actual camera footage merely featured a bit of spontaneous, awkward dry humping. (You're welcome.)
posted by christopherious at 10:10 PM on January 12, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by christopherious at 10:10 PM on January 12, 2017 [2 favorites]
Oh no, I just mentally combined this with the naked owl thread.
Help me I am in hell.
posted by adept256 at 10:19 PM on January 12, 2017 [10 favorites]
Help me I am in hell.
posted by adept256 at 10:19 PM on January 12, 2017 [10 favorites]
From the last link: "Although Japanese macaques are known to ride deer..."
Cross-species dry humping distracting from the real story about wild monkey deer rodeos is the pee hookers distracting from treason of the animal kingdom.
posted by univac at 10:24 PM on January 12, 2017 [22 favorites]
Cross-species dry humping distracting from the real story about wild monkey deer rodeos is the pee hookers distracting from treason of the animal kingdom.
posted by univac at 10:24 PM on January 12, 2017 [22 favorites]
The researchers are not exactly sure why the macaques would bother with this unproductive behavior.
One wonders what the researchers actually said that wasn't this self-evidently silly that's being misreported here.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 10:35 PM on January 12, 2017 [4 favorites]
One wonders what the researchers actually said that wasn't this self-evidently silly that's being misreported here.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 10:35 PM on January 12, 2017 [4 favorites]
Whoa, whoa, what's all this about mating? Can't two agreeable animals just, you know, spend some time together, maybe see if they have a bit of chemistry, without immediately contemplating having offspring?? It's like relentlessly spying on the bonobos have taught researchers nothing...
posted by furtive_jackanapes at 10:36 PM on January 12, 2017 [22 favorites]
posted by furtive_jackanapes at 10:36 PM on January 12, 2017 [22 favorites]
2017: Cross-species dry humping distracting from the real story about wild monkey deer rodeos is the pee hookers distracting from treason of the animal kingdom.
posted by bleep at 10:38 PM on January 12, 2017
posted by bleep at 10:38 PM on January 12, 2017
The researchers are not exactly sure why the macaques would bother with this unproductive behavior.
One wonders what the researchers actually said that wasn't this self-evidently silly that's being misreported here.
"I was just helping it over the fence..."
posted by Greg_Ace at 10:43 PM on January 12, 2017 [5 favorites]
One wonders what the researchers actually said that wasn't this self-evidently silly that's being misreported here.
"I was just helping it over the fence..."
posted by Greg_Ace at 10:43 PM on January 12, 2017 [5 favorites]
Not exactly to the point but I have a fond memory of childhood, I was probably about 12, being taken to the New England Aquarium in Worcester, MA with my older brother & several cousins. We were watching a beluga whale through a wall-sized window into his tank. He was swimming round & round, zooming across our field of view right up against the glass. One of my female cousins had a puzzled look on her face then after several passes she announced quite loudly "oh, it's a boy!" And he was, quite noticeably so.
posted by scalefree at 11:05 PM on January 12, 2017 [3 favorites]
posted by scalefree at 11:05 PM on January 12, 2017 [3 favorites]
The final two paragraphs of the main article are incredible. A+, would totally read this journal's description of kinky macaque-deer frottage again.
posted by mosk at 11:16 PM on January 12, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by mosk at 11:16 PM on January 12, 2017 [1 favorite]
You’re never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream. -- C.S. Lewis
Completely off-topic, but I'm dead certain he never said anything of the kind, Forbes. This completely distracted me from the main story - "dream another dream"? Set another goal? I'd find it only slightly harder to believe that he had an unusually close relationship to the Magdalen deer.
posted by Aravis76 at 12:13 AM on January 13, 2017 [7 favorites]
Completely off-topic, but I'm dead certain he never said anything of the kind, Forbes. This completely distracted me from the main story - "dream another dream"? Set another goal? I'd find it only slightly harder to believe that he had an unusually close relationship to the Magdalen deer.
posted by Aravis76 at 12:13 AM on January 13, 2017 [7 favorites]
I didn't see any "mating." I saw riding. If riding with a boner is now mating, Marino Marini has a lot to answer to.
posted by Sys Rq at 1:04 AM on January 13, 2017 [5 favorites]
posted by Sys Rq at 1:04 AM on January 13, 2017 [5 favorites]
> I didn't see any "mating." I saw riding.
Exactly!
posted by christopherious at 1:20 AM on January 13, 2017
Exactly!
posted by christopherious at 1:20 AM on January 13, 2017
I also think "attempting to mate with each other" is a mischaracterization. That deer didn't look like she was attempting anything other than get the fuck off me gross what is this gunk on my back you perv
posted by janey47 at 1:31 AM on January 13, 2017 [9 favorites]
posted by janey47 at 1:31 AM on January 13, 2017 [9 favorites]
The Aristocrats!
posted by Mister Moofoo at 1:32 AM on January 13, 2017 [9 favorites]
posted by Mister Moofoo at 1:32 AM on January 13, 2017 [9 favorites]
There's a quite extraordinary documentary about a colony of baboons, cats and dogs living together in a garbage dump in Saudi Arabia (also filmed here). And yes, the male baboons attempt to have sex with all the living creatures nearby, including female baboons, infant baboons, dogs and cats (who don't seem to care that much).
posted by elgilito at 1:54 AM on January 13, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by elgilito at 1:54 AM on January 13, 2017 [1 favorite]
New York Post headline: "DEER CAUGHT ROCKING WITH MACAQUE OUT"
posted by at by at 2:32 AM on January 13, 2017 [23 favorites]
posted by at by at 2:32 AM on January 13, 2017 [23 favorites]
Primate researcher Marie Pelé and colleagues published a surprising note in the journal Primates this week—the second documented case of distantly related species attempting to mate with each other."
wut?
I'ma youtube and publish 100 "notes" in science journals about all the science I see. Here is a science video of a dog fucking a monkey. Dogs make a lot of science ...
Related: Homosexual necrophiliac duck ruffles research feathers. And the obligatory TED Talk.
posted by dgaicun at 2:36 AM on January 13, 2017 [2 favorites]
wut?
I'ma youtube and publish 100 "notes" in science journals about all the science I see. Here is a science video of a dog fucking a monkey. Dogs make a lot of science ...
Related: Homosexual necrophiliac duck ruffles research feathers. And the obligatory TED Talk.
posted by dgaicun at 2:36 AM on January 13, 2017 [2 favorites]
Is there a single species of animal that hue-man primates haven't tried to 'mate' with yet? Asking for a friend.
posted by dgaicun at 2:40 AM on January 13, 2017
posted by dgaicun at 2:40 AM on January 13, 2017
It's called "rishartha". Doesn't anyone have an education anymore? I am _shocked_ I'm the first one on here to provide the technical term for inter-species sex.
posted by Goofyy at 3:34 AM on January 13, 2017 [3 favorites]
posted by Goofyy at 3:34 AM on January 13, 2017 [3 favorites]
If the Bible warns against it, it's probably a thing - and quite a popular thing at that. But I can understand the temptation if you have accidentally caught Youtube Gold on your scientific crittercam. You'd like to tell the world.
(Thread-driftwse, here's a short essay on quotes misattributed to CS Lewis, including the one on the Forbes scoldatron.)
posted by Devonian at 4:02 AM on January 13, 2017 [1 favorite]
(Thread-driftwse, here's a short essay on quotes misattributed to CS Lewis, including the one on the Forbes scoldatron.)
posted by Devonian at 4:02 AM on January 13, 2017 [1 favorite]
Meanwhile all I can think is: Bad. Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria...
posted by Mchelly at 4:15 AM on January 13, 2017
posted by Mchelly at 4:15 AM on January 13, 2017
Is this the new election thread?
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 4:19 AM on January 13, 2017 [22 favorites]
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 4:19 AM on January 13, 2017 [22 favorites]
Is there a single species of animal that hue-man primates haven't tried to 'mate' with yet?
Planaria?
posted by Kirth Gerson at 4:34 AM on January 13, 2017 [1 favorite]
Planaria?
posted by Kirth Gerson at 4:34 AM on January 13, 2017 [1 favorite]
The list of related topics (for me) below the article were:
1.) 2017 Obamacare premiums
2.) High interest savings accounts
3.) Best Franchise Opportunities
Just for the record
posted by JoeXIII007 at 4:54 AM on January 13, 2017 [3 favorites]
1.) 2017 Obamacare premiums
2.) High interest savings accounts
3.) Best Franchise Opportunities
Just for the record
posted by JoeXIII007 at 4:54 AM on January 13, 2017 [3 favorites]
Besides this untoward act, the Japanese macaque and sika deer typically have a harmonious relationship with each other on Yakushima Island, as the deer often eat fruit the macaques drop from trees and also on occasion, the macaque’s poop.
I'll go along with those saying that calling this "mating" is an error. I'd call it "Friday night at the club."
posted by GenjiandProust at 5:16 AM on January 13, 2017 [4 favorites]
I'll go along with those saying that calling this "mating" is an error. I'd call it "Friday night at the club."
posted by GenjiandProust at 5:16 AM on January 13, 2017 [4 favorites]
mister moofoo wins this thread
(Well played, well played!)
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:37 AM on January 13, 2017
(Well played, well played!)
posted by Annika Cicada at 5:37 AM on January 13, 2017
Maybe it's me but aren't deer and macaques a bit more than "distantly related"?
posted by tommasz at 5:37 AM on January 13, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by tommasz at 5:37 AM on January 13, 2017 [2 favorites]
Given that back before everything was on the internet my college roommate used to go on and on about how sperm whale sex must be magnificent only to have me deflate his high hopes by finding out that they ejaculated into the water and the female swims through it... i'd imagine whales are inadvertently overly promiscuous with a lot of sea life... and now that this report is out... maybe it isn't inadvertent - maybe their all, "oh check out the flippers on that sea turtle!"
And knowing that now - those marine biologists who jump into the water to investigate them? PERVS! THE WHOLE LOT OF THEM!
posted by Nanukthedog at 5:37 AM on January 13, 2017
And knowing that now - those marine biologists who jump into the water to investigate them? PERVS! THE WHOLE LOT OF THEM!
posted by Nanukthedog at 5:37 AM on January 13, 2017
I mean they call it a sperm whale what did you expect.
posted by Dr Dracator at 6:06 AM on January 13, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by Dr Dracator at 6:06 AM on January 13, 2017 [2 favorites]
A Melville chapter?
posted by GenjiandProust at 6:13 AM on January 13, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by GenjiandProust at 6:13 AM on January 13, 2017 [2 favorites]
What the hell is on the deer's neck? If that's a tracking device, it seems kind if inhumane in its bulkiness and tightness. Ugh.
posted by tunewell at 7:28 AM on January 13, 2017
posted by tunewell at 7:28 AM on January 13, 2017
If you watch the actual video, the deer looks straight at the camera as the macaque mounts. It feels a bit like a fractured fourth wall.
posted by Hot Pastrami! at 4:09 PM on January 13, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by Hot Pastrami! at 4:09 PM on January 13, 2017 [2 favorites]
I like the introductory moments where the deer and macaque are like all coy: "hey what's going on?" "oh, nothin. Yourself?" "Oh, I dunno, nothin' I guess, just hangin' out eatin' leaves, pushin' sticks around, you know"... then ACTION.
posted by GospelofWesleyWillis at 9:32 PM on January 13, 2017
posted by GospelofWesleyWillis at 9:32 PM on January 13, 2017
Related: Homosexual necrophiliac duck ruffles research feathers.
I remember that well; traumatic. I knew ducks were fucked up, but COME ON. That was such a dark day.
posted by GospelofWesleyWillis at 9:33 PM on January 13, 2017
I remember that well; traumatic. I knew ducks were fucked up, but COME ON. That was such a dark day.
posted by GospelofWesleyWillis at 9:33 PM on January 13, 2017
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