Tyrants v. the endurance of those whom they oppress.
February 2, 2017 12:41 PM   Subscribe

The second week of the Trump administration is wearing Trump out, it seems, and triggering him during liasions with long-standing, key allies. In more positive news, he implied that Frederick Douglass is still with us, and this was confirmed by his Press Secretary. The nation awaits his reappearance with bated breath.

No doubt part of what's so wearing for Trump is the grinding media coverage of the opposition to his immigration ban, his ("successful") raid on Yemen, the military leaks about that, and his bizarre cabinet picks (warning: that last link is highly believable satire.)

But at least he got his Secretary of State confirmed, and they've been able to start walking back Obama's Russia sanctions, so while the optics are bad, they're making progress on their key priorities... There is also some red meat on the table for the Republican Handmaid's Tale base: proposed executive order which would curtail protections for LGBT people.

A date has been chosen for the March for Science: April 22nd. You should go, and maybe wear a pink lab coat. Remember, a chunk of the Antarctic the size of Delaware looks like it's about to break off and melt, and the EPA is not allowed to talk about it.

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posted by Coventry (2172 comments total) 126 users marked this as a favorite
 
I endeavor to say fuck at least once per comment, just to keep up with our quotas.
posted by lydhre at 12:43 PM on February 2 [39 favorites]


Thanks Coventry (and all your background helpers)
posted by INFJ at 12:44 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


The air is so nice and fresh in here! Too bad Pruitt will fix that soon.
posted by gatorae at 12:45 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


@JustSchmeltzer
It ain't hard to see the REAL point repealing the Johnson Amendment. Explained below...
Watch this magic trick. kids:

1. Trump gets a repeal of the Johnson Amendment, allowing churches to engage in partisan political activity and not lose their tax exempt status.
2. "Churches" start to run ads, run field efforts, etc etc for candidates, all tax exempt.
3. People make political donations to "churches" - and write it off on their taxes!
4. "Churches.' don't have to report any of those tax-exempt donations, so everything is hidden.
5. A new way to flood politics with unregulated, unreported money is born -AND it all becomes tax-deductible. too!

Drain the swamp - or Swamp the Drain
posted by chris24 at 12:45 PM on February 2 [114 favorites]


Fox News: DHS Secretary Says Parts Of Border Wall Will Be 'See Through': Fox’s Catherine Herridge said that Kelly told her that the wall “will take a multi-layered approach. There will be the physical wall and then parts of the wall that you can see through because it will rely on sensors and other technology.”
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 12:46 PM on February 2 [15 favorites]


The limits of titles are prescribed by the hardcoded constants of those whom the
posted by J.K. Seazer at 12:46 PM on February 2 [22 favorites]




The emperor's new wall.
posted by cmfletcher at 12:47 PM on February 2 [70 favorites]


The limits of titles are prescribed by the hardcoded constants of those whom the

Ah, that's a shame. Maybe a mod can edit to something sensible.
posted by Coventry at 12:48 PM on February 2


Fox News: DHS Secretary Says Parts Of Border Wall Will Be 'See Through': Fox’s Catherine Herridge said that Kelly told her that the wall “will take a multi-layered approach. There will be the physical wall and then parts of the wall that you can see through because it will rely on sensors and other technology.”
So basically, they're not going to build the wall, but they're going to tell us that they've built the wall but we can't see it because it's invisible? That's impressively alt-factual.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 12:48 PM on February 2 [174 favorites]


There will be the physical wall and then parts of the wall that you can see through...

A see-through part of a wall. Fascinating! We could call it a... window?
posted by 0xFCAF at 12:48 PM on February 2 [34 favorites]


Oh of course, a see-through wall. Kinda like a half blind trust.
posted by gatorae at 12:49 PM on February 2 [19 favorites]


Trump administration: we're going to be sending out postcards to every native-born american citizen, scheduling ten minute daily shifts for each citizen to sit in quiet contemplation and believe vehemently in the wall. [fake]
posted by murphy slaw at 12:49 PM on February 2 [11 favorites]


im still not done reading the old one

help
posted by poffin boffin at 12:50 PM on February 2 [36 favorites]


Maybe it means we'll all be fitted with shock collars since it's really an invisible fence.
posted by yoga at 12:50 PM on February 2 [17 favorites]


1. I linked this post by Ijeoma Oluo at the bottom of the previous thread, it is pretty wonderful: Have we forgotten what we’ve done in the past? Have we forgotten what the Civil Rights movement looked like? Where the fuck was resistance fatigue then? You know what causes resistance fatigue? Assholes who claim to be with us, telling us that our defeat is preordained and our protest is useless. We have barely begun to fight.

2. I think I'll participate in the science march wearing this Rogue NASA shirt.
posted by rewil at 12:50 PM on February 2 [81 favorites]


The true wall was in our hearts the whole time.

Wait...

No, yeah.
posted by Phobos the Space Potato at 12:51 PM on February 2 [30 favorites]


Mr. Douglass is buried in Mt. Hope Cemetery in Rochester, NY. It's a lovely Victorian-era cemetery and popular tourist destination. It's also home to the grave of Susan B. Anthony.
posted by tommasz at 12:51 PM on February 2 [26 favorites]


Deutsche Welle—Mexico: Fear of Trump's wall (in English, 28 min.; features deported U.S. military veterans)
posted by XMLicious at 12:51 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


unfortunately the entire population of mexico refused to put on the shock collars so we have to invade and compel them to do so.

as soon as we figure out how to get the shock collars off our soldiers so they can cross the wall
posted by murphy slaw at 12:51 PM on February 2 [14 favorites]


Fox News: DHS Secretary Says Parts Of Border Wall Will Be 'See Through'

I agree that we will all be able to see through it.
posted by prefpara at 12:52 PM on February 2 [71 favorites]


Sean Spicer is unable to give any further details with regard to the window, to the wall
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 12:52 PM on February 2 [100 favorites]


Refugees are not illegal immigrants, and language matters. The fact that Trump continues to conflate the two is a clear demonstration of his guiding ethos -- cruelty. And just this morning, while the most powerful man in the world went out of his way to degrade the world's most vulnerable, he was surrounded and applauded by evangelical leaders.

Things are escalating now.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 12:53 PM on February 2 [124 favorites]


This is... interesting. I've been reading the Federal Register a couple times a week because it feels unsafe not to. The Department of Defense has submitted a proposal to delete the files it's kept on the vetting of Presidential appointees. Their justification is that similar records are also maintained by the Office of Government Ethics, making the DoD's records duplicative and justifying their deletion. Except the Office of Government Ethics was in trouble with the Trump administration even before its inauguration, and there were rumblings among his supporters in Congress of disbanding it altogether.

Records exist on the vetting of Presidential appointees, and the government is possibly getting rid of them. This seems important. (Or maybe I'm misreading, but I don't think so.)
posted by mudpuppie at 12:53 PM on February 2 [54 favorites]


The limits of titles are prescribed by the hardcoded constants of those whom the

The struggle is real.
posted by When choosing your username make sure you plan ahe at 12:54 PM on February 2 [23 favorites]


Fox News: DHS Secretary Says Parts Of Border Wall Will Be 'See Through'

The emperor's new wall.
posted by Sys Rq at 12:54 PM on February 2 [13 favorites]


So does that mean part of the wall will be a physical wall and the other part will be the sturdy wall of xenophobia we all build in our hearts, or what?
posted by saulgoodman at 12:54 PM on February 2 [33 favorites]


I think it's the emperor's new window
posted by mannequito at 12:55 PM on February 2


I'm thinking it's a fence.
posted by Mchelly at 12:55 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]



Holy shit, the invisible sensor wall. They're actually going for. Love it. I read about the types of sensors they would be able to use and then all of the ways that those sorts of 'sensor walls' can be screwed with, especially with miles and miles worth of 'sensor walls' to play with.
posted by Jalliah at 12:55 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


If somebody does provide INFJ a copy of Raiders of the Lost Ark, I'm going to steal it just to prove that there is nothing they can possess that I cannot take away.
posted by Pope Guilty at 12:55 PM on February 2 [13 favorites]


"Don't you see? The wall is the spirit of murderous isolationism that was within you all along!"
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 12:55 PM on February 2 [55 favorites]


Ah, that's a shame. Maybe a mod can edit to something sensible.

But then those who come later won't get J.K. Seazer's joke!
posted by rabbitrabbit at 12:56 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


Networked sensor wall? So another vector for covert cyberwarfare attacks. Great.
posted by saulgoodman at 12:57 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


obligatory quonsar comment: FUCK.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 12:57 PM on February 2 [13 favorites]


So does that mean part of the wall will be a physical wall and the other part will be the sturdy wall of xenophobia we all build in our hearts, or what?

If you walk through it you get droned, so basically.
posted by Coventry at 12:57 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


Ah, that's a shame. Maybe a mod can edit to something sensible.

Edited to keep the gist; left the change request to maintain context for the jokes.
posted by cortex at 12:58 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


Jeff Jobe, of Skype question at the WH Press Briefing fame will be thrilled to see it will now be easier to pollute water sources with coal mining..
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 12:59 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


In my running commentary of a view of change from within a relatively under-scrutinized section of government (transportation), starting with two Performance Management webinars being postponed indefinitely (after the new rules were passed days before _rump's inauguration, and included references to measuring Greenhouse Gasses), and then a new webinar was announced, but to be hosted by someone not associated by the US Department of Transportation but the Center for Urban Transportation Research (CUTR) at the University of South Florida.

That webinar was today, and I had hoped it was the Feds being crafty and routing around a blockage, but it wasn't the case. The host was literally laughably bad. Really, we laughed at the casual comments he made, which he did not intend to be jokes. In an hour long webinar, spending the first 20 minutes griping about what the regulations didn't do right (too late, they're the rules of the land, how do we use them?), before getting into some of the new rules, and getting some of the general information wrong (though he did catch himself once and self-corrected).

I don't think this is an example of contracting out, exactly, but it is what contracting out is like - someone who might know the topic, if you're lucky, but generally a waste of time, and they provide no authority if you ask them about how the rules work, because they're not involved with setting the rules. That's the government's job, see?

I want the government back. Even if they're making decisions I don't agree with, I can work to change those decisions. But when it's consultant hacks running the show, I know we're all getting bilked, both financially and in terms of our time. We spend time spinning our wheels, instead of moving forward. I'll take the slow process to reach consensus over this bullshit "instant progress" without thought or consideration for ramifications or, let's be honest, reality.
posted by filthy light thief at 1:00 PM on February 2 [50 favorites]


So does that mean part of the wall will be a physical wall and the other part will be the sturdy wall of xenophobia we all build in our hearts, or what?

It's likely a bunch of bullshit about motion sensors and surveilance drones and creating a 'digital' security barriers. Some tech people somewhere are bullshitting their way into a shit-ton of government money right now. Tech like this can work on a small scale but at the scale being talked about it's in the realm of sci-fi fantasy world.

Though this is entirely on the assumption that they aren't talking about more lethal forms of this tech. Like tracking drones that shoot.

Suppose I shouldn't assume that.

Fuck.
posted by Jalliah at 1:00 PM on February 2 [18 favorites]


Holy shit, the invisible sensor wall. They're actually going for. Love it. I read about the types of sensors they would be able to use and then all of the ways that those sorts of 'sensor walls' can be screwed with, especially with miles and miles worth of 'sensor walls' to play with.

Dibbs on the CCC event where someone demonstrates the ability to trick the sensor network into displaying a game of frogger.
posted by rough ashlar at 1:00 PM on February 2 [30 favorites]


It's become increasingly clear that Trump was in fact pledging to drain the swamp literally by undermining EPA regulations and selling the land to developers
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 1:01 PM on February 2 [26 favorites]


If you walk through it you get droned

What's the over/under on this happening to a Border Patrol agent because of incompetence/stupidity?
posted by Fish, fish, are you doing your duty? at 1:02 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


Edited to keep the gist; left the change request to maintain context for the jokes.

Wow, the title for this episode of People's Court is really something.
posted by zombieflanders at 1:02 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


I think I'll participate in the science march wearing this Rogue NASA shirt.

Such a difficult choice between that and Smokey says: Resist.
posted by honestcoyote at 1:02 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]




Slow clap on the snark in the above the fold copy, very nice!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:02 PM on February 2


Refugees are not illegal immigrants, and language matters. The fact that Trump continues to conflate the two is a clear demonstration of his guiding ethos -- cruelty.

This has been driving me bonkers because IT IS EVERYWHERE. It's all over social media. "If these people want to come here they should do it legally." THEY DID, DIPSHITS. THEY HAVE VISAS.

People are really, really revealing their inner cruelty. It was there all along, but now they have permission to just be openly like, "Hey fuck kids, fuck elderly people, fuck everyone that isn't just like me, they deserve to die and I don't give a shit." and expect to be lauded for that attitude as patriotic. People are fucking monsters.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:02 PM on February 2 [184 favorites]


More confirmation to go along with the PPPPolls link in the previous thread that Trump and his executive orders are unpopular. This time from Gallup. Some highlights:

Americans' Views on Donald Trump's Executive Orders: Approve - Disapprove - No opinion
- Ordering temporary ban on entry into U.S. for most people from seven predominantly Muslim countries: 42 - 55 - 3

- Ordering construction of a wall along the southern border with Mexico: 38 - 60 - 2

- Indefinitely suspending the United States' Syrian refugee program: 36 - 58 - 6

- Overall job approval: 43 - 52 - 6


His net job approval has dropped 10 points in a week.
posted by chris24 at 1:02 PM on February 2 [49 favorites]


East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94: It's become increasingly clear that Trump was in fact pledging to drain the swamp literally by undermining EPA regulations and selling the land to developers

As said before, swamps are diverse, interesting ecosystems. Much like converting ag land to tract homes, once the land is converted, it's damn near impossible to convert it back.

President Quick Buck Now, Fuck The Future strikes again.
posted by filthy light thief at 1:03 PM on February 2 [16 favorites]


I endeavor to say fuck at least once per comment, just to keep up with our quotas

For you, people with similar laudable goals, and for people who might find that they are just out of fucks, I recommend this repository. I find that a few repetitions can recharge my fucks reasonably thoroughly.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 1:03 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


His net job approval has dropped 10 points in a week.

and note that this is also the first full week he actually had the goddamn job
posted by murphy slaw at 1:04 PM on February 2 [31 favorites]


If you walk through it you get droned, so basically.

It's like a field of land mines without the pesky Geneva Convention problems! (Just kidding, it won't be that bad until they're autonomous armed drones. So give it about 18 months.)
posted by XMLicious at 1:05 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]




Hey now, how about we give the guy a chance?
posted by Rust Moranis at 1:05 PM on February 2 [10 favorites]


Jeff Jobe, of Skype question at the WH Press Briefing fame will be thrilled to see it will now be easier to pollute water sources with coal mining..

Forget carbonated water, carbon water is where it's at now.
posted by chris24 at 1:06 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


As much as I'm against the wall and think it's a stupid idea, if it turned out to be a web of red laserbeams like in Mission Impossible and anyone who could limbo / yoga-parkour their way through it gets to stay, I might be a tiny bit cool with that.
posted by Mchelly at 1:06 PM on February 2 [19 favorites]


(as long as it works both ways)
posted by Mchelly at 1:07 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


all of the ways that those sorts of 'sensor walls' can be screwed with

There's a lot of ways to mess with ground surveillance radar in this age of hobbyist SDR, but seismic sensors are a lot harder.
posted by ryanrs at 1:07 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


I got an unidentified Chicago-area phone number on my work phone yesterday, but I had time to kill so I answered it. It was Pew Research! "Did I have time to share my thoughts about how America--" OH, YES, I DO!

It was only like four questions -- do I approve of how things are being run, how is my life going, how is my financial security, and one more I forget -- plus some demographic data. When I asked if there were choices stronger than "disapprove" she laughed, which was nice.
posted by wenestvedt at 1:07 PM on February 2 [115 favorites]


Hey now, how about we give the guy a chance?

He's had a week, and it just doesn't seem like it's going to work out.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:07 PM on February 2 [29 favorites]


We're building a wall. A whole wall. The whole thing is going to be wall, the whole thing. Some holes in the wall, but it will remain whole. These holes - you've never seen holes like this. Nothing but holes. We're digging a hole here. It's going to be the biggest hole you've ever seen.
posted by Kabanos at 1:07 PM on February 2 [37 favorites]


This is useful reading for the Australia call - basically Turnbull is a weak leader with non-approved positions and Trump is quite happy to have him rolled by his own right wing.

So closer to repellent than incompetent
posted by Sebmojo at 1:08 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


Hey now, how about we give the guy a chance?

Looking at your comment history I have adjudicated this comment to be: sarcastic!
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 1:08 PM on February 2 [14 favorites]


His net job approval has dropped 10 points in a week.

I'm sure this is heartening for some. But for me, since the election, the numbers - they do nothing.
posted by nubs at 1:08 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


ED-209 for Border Patrol Chief
posted by stevil at 1:08 PM on February 2 [9 favorites]


He's had a week, and it just doesn't seem like it's going to work out.

"i'm sorry, it's not us, it's you"
posted by entropicamericana at 1:09 PM on February 2 [37 favorites]


ryanrs: There's a lot of ways to mess with ground surveillance radar in this age of hobbyist SDR, but seismic sensors are a lot harder.

How about a short stake with a spring-loaded clapper on one end?
posted by wenestvedt at 1:10 PM on February 2 [21 favorites]


I mentioned this in the activism MeTa, but hearing the testimonies against SB4 here in Texas is giving me some hope. That's the bill imposing sanctions on sanctuary cities and giving Abbott the power to recall Austin and Houston's lawfully elected officials if they don't toe his line.

Hundreds of people are here to make oral testimonies. I've been here three quarters of an hour and I haven't seen a single one yet who hasn't unequivocally condemned this law, from a testimonial written by a high school student all the way up to testimony from gray-haired grannies. As I type this out, the young woman now speaking just stated forcefully, with great emotion, "No human is illegal." and then "It breaks my heart to see my students in fear!"
posted by sciatrix at 1:10 PM on February 2 [84 favorites]


Eventually the wall won't be so much for keeping immigrants out but for keeping the rest of us in.
posted by mochapickle at 1:10 PM on February 2 [19 favorites]


It's become increasingly clear that Trump was in fact pledging to drain the swamp literally by undermining EPA regulations and selling the land to developers

Fun fact: after killing anything to do with climate change that they can possibly get away with, the second priority for Trump's EPA is to strike a rule that made it easier to protect wetlands through the Clean Water Act. So......yeah. Exactly that.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:11 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


It's fitting Trump's Black History speech was basically, "I have Black Friends."
posted by cottoncandybeard at 1:12 PM on February 2 [21 favorites]


How about a short stake with a spring-loaded clapper on one end?

usul, we have migra sign the likes of which even God has never seen
posted by murphy slaw at 1:12 PM on February 2 [22 favorites]


I would not be surprised if there is no EPA in a year or two.
posted by jetsetsc at 1:13 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


Subverting the Geneva Convention seems like just the kind of thing Trump would love, why not mine the border? Cheap, effective and a poke in the eye of non-psychotics. Win all around!
posted by Keith Talent at 1:13 PM on February 2


OK, I don't really know anything about Twitter, but it sounds like Frederick Douglass' Twitter account was suspended.
How does that happen? Why does that happen?
Can somebody make it happen to @realDonaldTrump?
posted by MtDewd at 1:13 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


Trump continually talks about The Apprentice as if it's his greatest achievement, not the multi-billion dollar real estate empire he supposedly created.
posted by PenDevil at 1:14 PM on February 2 [25 favorites]


I am hardly able to keep up, so it was probably already posted about but if not:

FOX News has posted a picture of anti-fascist graffiti, calling it "anti-Trump."
posted by Cookiebastard at 1:15 PM on February 2 [94 favorites]


Senate subcommittee to launch Russian interference probe
A Senate subcommittee is launching an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and how to prevent similar attacks in the future, subcommittee leaders announced Thursday.

The Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism probe will be the second lawmaker investigation into the Kremlin's attempts to influence the election.

“Our goal is simple — to the fullest extent possible we want to shine a light on Russian activities to undermine democracy," committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Ranking Member Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) said in a joint written statement.
posted by chris24 at 1:15 PM on February 2 [43 favorites]


This has been driving me bonkers because IT IS EVERYWHERE. It's all over social media. "If these people want to come here they should do it legally." THEY DID, DIPSHITS. THEY HAVE VISAS.

This is the problem with the "fake news/real news" stuff. When we don't have a single, respected source of news that everyone can agree is truth, people look at their shitty 'news' sites and trust them. People simply don't know that a visa process isn't like five minutes at Customs.
posted by corb at 1:16 PM on February 2 [18 favorites]


Wait calmly

Apologies if it has been posted before.
posted by vbfg at 1:16 PM on February 2 [21 favorites]


FOX News has posted a picture of anti-fascist graffiti, calling it "anti-Trump."

Regina George: "So you agree? You think Trump is a fascist?"
posted by Windigo at 1:17 PM on February 2 [60 favorites]


STOP BANNON: The Senate Committee on Homeland Security is taking calls about Bannon's appointment to the NSC. You can call 202-224-4751 and leave comments opposing this appointment.

I tried calling but got a busy signal, will try again shortly.
posted by Existential Dread at 1:17 PM on February 2 [64 favorites]


In case this ends up being something.

Reuters: Yemeni officials say warships shell al Qaeda positions, U.S. denies involvement

Warships shelled suspected al Qaeda strongholds in a mountainous region of southern Yemen on Thursday, government officials said.

The officials, who asked not to be named, said they believed U.S. forces carried out the operation, though Pentagon spokesman Captain Jeff Davis quickly denied any U.S. involvement.

The strikes come less than a week after a covert U.S. Navy SEAL raid, also in Yemen's south, the first ordered by U.S. President Donald Trump as commander in chief.

The naval attacks appear to be part of an intensifying campaign against one of the most active branches of the Islamist militant network.

"Ships fired several missiles towards the al-Maraqisha mountains, where al Qaeda elements are based. The ships are widely believed to be Americans," said one official, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter.

"We have received no information on the outcome of the shelling."

posted by Jalliah at 1:17 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


People simply don't know that a visa process isn't like five minutes at Customs.

And won't listen to anyone that says, 'Hey, I actually went through this process, let me tell you about it.' And then double down on AMERICA FOR AMERICANS WHAT ABOUT OUR VETERANS WHARGARBL
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:18 PM on February 2 [22 favorites]


....And "Yemen" is an awful lot like "Fremen." Coincidence?!
posted by wenestvedt at 1:18 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


Just saw an ad on a light post: "New political climate. Cope: learn blues guitar" with an email address and phone number for the instructor.
posted by zachlipton at 1:19 PM on February 2 [50 favorites]


“Our goal is simple — to the fullest extent possible we want to shine a light on Russian activities to undermine democracy," committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Ranking Member Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) said in a joint written statement.

A nice contrast with the House panel investigating the election, where the Democrats say their goal is to figure out what Russia did and the Republicans want to get to the bottom of the Obama administration daring to say anything about it.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 1:20 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


Sys Rq: "Fox News: DHS Secretary Says Parts Of Border Wall Will Be 'See Through'"

The truth is that the new plan is to only build the U.S. side of the wall. Cuts the cost right in half.
posted by chavenet at 1:20 PM on February 2 [25 favorites]


FOX News has posted a picture of anti-fascist graffiti, calling it "anti-Trump."

lol "alt-left" is the new reverse racist
posted by poffin boffin at 1:21 PM on February 2 [33 favorites]


That fucker is going to get us all killed, isn't he?
posted by darkstar at 1:21 PM on February 2 [26 favorites]




That mother fucker is going to get us all killed, isn't he?

i'm afraid so.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 1:22 PM on February 2 [10 favorites]


This morning's Australian tabloid covers (a tweet with images) - all focused on That Phone Call.
posted by fever-trees at 1:23 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


Ivanka Trump Also Promised to Resign From Family Business, And Hasn’t Filed Paperwork

I think she's holding off in case this whole presidency thing doesn't stick.
posted by mochapickle at 1:24 PM on February 2 [18 favorites]


I think it's pretty clear at this point that the position of President needs to incorporate some sort of probationary period.
posted by MrVisible at 1:25 PM on February 2 [22 favorites]


I think she thinks that silly things like laws and regulations don't apply to her, just like dad.
posted by poffin boffin at 1:25 PM on February 2 [30 favorites]


I have a long wish list. So this is not near the top. But somewhere in the middle. I just want every Trump Hotel guest at every location and at every visit to leave an upper decker. Until the end of time.
posted by prefpara at 1:25 PM on February 2 [20 favorites]


Does anyone have Many Twitter Followers? This "paid protesters" thing is really sticking in my craw and I think we need a hashtag for selfies of us "radical leftwing paid protesters" just going about our lives grocery shopping and sitting in cubicles when not out protesting and calling.

Pat Toomey just pulled that bullshit today in a radio interview. Apparently the group of several hundred constituents who show up at his office once a week to try and meet with his staff are "preventing constituents from being able to meet with staff." We're all paid protesters, you see.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:25 PM on February 2 [43 favorites]


Wenestvedt, I was actually thinking of thumpers and sand worms when I wrote that comment. But if their system is good, the thumper will need to move.

(Disclaimer: I don't actually know how good state-of-the-art seismic detection of pedestrians is. Most of the papers I've read have been about vehicle detection. Seismic sensors are also really, really good at detecting helicopters, which is unintuitive, but obvious once you think about it.)
posted by ryanrs at 1:26 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


DHS Secretary Says Parts Of Border Wall Will Be 'See Through'

So we're going to be building the border wall out of transparent aluminum now? I suppose its ability to hold large volumes of water will come in handy once the wall is submerged under the rising seas.
posted by ckape at 1:27 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


OK, just going to throw in the Canadian political shitty thing of the day because it fits.

Kevin O'Leary, who some might now from his stints on Dragon's Den (Shark Tank in the US) is running for the leadership of the Conservative Party. He's made no bones about being inspired by Trump.

Today is the funeral for three of the six men killed at the Mosque shooting in Montreal last week. Kevin has decided that today was the day to post a video of his visit to a gun range, where he fired several weapons.

I don't think I have a strong enough curse word for him.
posted by nubs at 1:27 PM on February 2 [46 favorites]


Ground surveillance radar is all the rage these days, not so much seismic, because ground radar is also great at detecting drones.
posted by ryanrs at 1:28 PM on February 2


I tried calling but got a busy signal, will try again shortly.

Took me four redials, but I got through and left a (bumbling) message.

posted by mudpuppie at 1:28 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]



Does anyone have Many Twitter Followers? This "paid protesters" thing is really sticking in my craw and I think we need a hashtag for selfies of us "radical leftwing paid protesters" just going about our lives grocery shopping and sitting in cubicles when not out protesting and calling.

Pat Toomey just pulled that bullshit today in a radio interview. Apparently the group of several hundred constituents who show up at his office once a week to try and meet with his staff are "preventing constituents from being able to meet with staff." We're all paid protesters, you see.


I feel you. Don't think it will do any good though. The Right has been doing the 'paid protester' thing ever since I started protesting 20+ years ago. I've been one all my life apparently.
posted by Jalliah at 1:28 PM on February 2 [16 favorites]


I think it's pretty clear at this point that the Presidential election process needs to incorporate some sort of probationary period.

i mean? it usually, historically, does? the candidates and eventual president elect almost always have had some kind of previous experience working in government? so like, we can look at the way they participated in government in their past, in the things they supported and voted for or against? so we can see for example if they had a history of idk, threatening to invade other countries because someone was mean to them on the internet? and like. that would be a deterrant? presumably?

i dont even know anymore what is real what is happen
posted by poffin boffin at 1:29 PM on February 2 [22 favorites]



I feel you. Don't think it will do any good though. The Right has been doing the 'paid protester' thing ever since I started protesting 20+ years ago. I've been one all my life apparently.
'

Oh, I know, but it would amuse me at least.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:29 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


Maybe the real wall was the immigrants we deported along the way
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 1:30 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


It's likely a bunch of bullshit about motion sensors and surveilance drones and creating a 'digital' security barriers.

But... how is that not already a thing? Grodd, what makes this all so maddening is these things where it seems like the population think there's some lawless anarchy out around these subjects. People with visas yet no vetting at all is done, completely lack of border scrutiny, etc on and on. Why do they think CBP is 4 dudes playing poker in a Texas shed rather than... [takes 4 seconds to google] 21,000 employees?

I mean, I am not entirely without sympathy to the position that maybe something is being done in the most bone-headed manner possible. After all, even the most slack-jawed dummy knows that, say, when you leave donuts on the floor you're gonna get ants. So you have to pick them up in addition to spraying for ants. Yet we have this eVerify system and it's mandated pretty much fucking nowhere, so of course people will come across the border if there's work and they need work. Just like we do fuck-all in the way of treatment programs versus trying to stop drug imports and oh hey look there's still drugs.

But for fuck's sake, if you can deploy those sorts of measures and have them be worth a shit why would you not think we're doing at least some of that? [random incoherent noises here]

Guhhhhhhhh. I know, I'm preaching to the converted here but cripes it just makes me batty. Yeah, I know, it's a result of decades of deliberately saying government can't do anything right. But [more incoherent noises]. *sob*
posted by phearlez at 1:30 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


I'm now hearing the song "Joe Hill" in my head but replaced with "Frederick Douglass," which is kind of unmetrical.
posted by jonmc at 1:32 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


The real outrage here is that "chunk of the Antarctic the size of Delaware."

YOU MEASURE CHUNKS OF THE ANTARCTIC IN RHODE ISLANDS, PEOPLE!!!!!
posted by GenjiandProust at 1:33 PM on February 2 [56 favorites]


really though why would you deport the immigrants when you could enslave them to build the wall for free
posted by poffin boffin at 1:33 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


(Am in Rhode Island, can confirm have been used to measure giant ice sheet spall.)
posted by wenestvedt at 1:34 PM on February 2 [20 favorites]


The Right has been doing the 'paid protester' thing ever since I started protesting 20+ years ago.

And how!
posted by ckape at 1:34 PM on February 2 [9 favorites]


Uber C.E.O. to Leave Trump Advisory Council After Criticism: “Earlier today I spoke briefly with the president about the immigration executive order and its issues for our community,” Mr. Kalanick wrote. “I also let him know that I would not be able to participate on his economic council. Joining the group was not meant to be an endorsement of the president or his agenda but unfortunately it has been misinterpreted to be exactly that.”
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:34 PM on February 2 [91 favorites]


poffin boffin: really though why would you deport the immigrants when you could enslave them to build the wall for free

Well, now, they might deliberately build a flaw into it, allowing its eventual destruction. Some sort of exhaust port, for example...
posted by wenestvedt at 1:35 PM on February 2 [23 favorites]


Wow. I did not realize Uber, as a company, was even capable of being spooked.
posted by zachlipton at 1:36 PM on February 2 [33 favorites]


We need a #SorosCheck hashtag to talk about what we're gonna buy with all that sweet protestin' money.
posted by emjaybee at 1:38 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


Joining the group was not meant to be an endorsement of the president or his agenda but unfortunately it has been misinterpreted to be exactly that.”

"and i would've gotten away with it too if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!"
posted by poffin boffin at 1:38 PM on February 2 [47 favorites]


@petridishes:
Punxsutawney Phil: the question is not do I see my shadow
the question is where do you see any light?
handler: yup, some cold weather, folks

posted by Going To Maine at 1:39 PM on February 2 [34 favorites]


Joining the group was not meant to be an endorsement of the president or his agenda but unfortunately it has been misinterpreted to be exactly that.

Your statement was going along great until you decided to blame us for it, Uber guy.
posted by notyou at 1:39 PM on February 2 [53 favorites]


There have already been an offer of prisoners labor to build it, so maybe they feel they already have enough slaves.
posted by soelo at 1:39 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


Wow. I did not realize Uber, as a company, was even capable of being spooked.

They've been in hard damage control mode for a couple of days- #DeleteUber seems to have got to them.
posted by Pope Guilty at 1:39 PM on February 2 [15 favorites]


OK, this is my best to date explanation of what is happening in America. Basically, it's the judgment of Solomon, and the American people went with the party that wanted to kill the baby via sword strike.
posted by prefpara at 1:40 PM on February 2 [12 favorites]


“I also let him know that I would not be able to participate on his economic council. Joining the group was not meant to be an endorsement of the president or his agenda but unfortunately it has been misinterpreted to be exactly that.”

This is the diplomatic way of saying to Donald 'I'm sorry but you're turning into krypnonite'
posted by Jalliah at 1:40 PM on February 2 [15 favorites]


#DeleteUber was obviously having a big effect. Plus they had a bit of an uprising from their drivers.

Economic action and political protest is what is going to win this.
posted by chris24 at 1:40 PM on February 2 [97 favorites]


Network effects giveth and they taketh away.
posted by notyou at 1:41 PM on February 2 [11 favorites]


YOU MEASURE CHUNKS OF THE ANTARCTIC IN RHODE ISLANDS, PEOPLE!!!!!

For UK MeFites, that's 1/6 of a Wales.
posted by mushhushshu at 1:41 PM on February 2 [53 favorites]


the American people went with the party that wanted to kill the baby via sword strike.

No, they didn't. More American people voted for Democrats than Republicans for congress and president. By millions.
posted by Rust Moranis at 1:42 PM on February 2 [42 favorites]


Joining the group was not meant to be an endorsement of the president or his agenda but unfortunately it has been misinterpreted to be exactly that.

It can be read another way as well.
posted by Jalliah at 1:42 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


A Foreign Policy article is discussing military disobedience as a serious possibility.
The prospect of American military leaders responding to a presidential order with open defiance is frightening — but so, too, is the prospect of military obedience to an insane order. After all, military officers swear to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, not the president. For the first time in my life, I can imagine plausible scenarios in which senior military officials might simply tell the president: “No, sir. We’re not doing that,” to thunderous applause from the New York Times editorial board.
posted by Coventry at 1:42 PM on February 2 [58 favorites]


coffin boffin

lololololol
posted by axiom at 1:42 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


Also the Democrats are like you Republicans can have the baby, just don't kill it and Republicans are like, we meant what we said, get that sword ready.
posted by prefpara at 1:42 PM on February 2 [18 favorites]


No, they didn't. More American people voted more Democrat than Republican for congress and president. By millions.

Very fair. Many Americans. Enough Americans.
posted by prefpara at 1:43 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


Uber right now (more megacorps to follow as the enormity of the economic disaster of trade and shooting wars on the horizon comes into clearer focus)
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:43 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


"Fox News: DHS Secretary Says Parts Of Border Wall Will Be 'See Through'"

The DHS went on to add: "But only the sexiest parts of the wall. The large buttresses -- those will be painted something neutral, with vertical stripes to minimize their apparent size. Ditto for the parts that have unkempt bushes poking out. We want our wall to inspire us, to make us appreciate the things we love about America, while also reminding us that being a wall is a serious responsibility. It's gonna be classy, not one of those "nasty" walls. Gonna have a great big pair of tits, too -- those will probably be in the see through part."
posted by mosk at 1:46 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


Does anyone have Many Twitter Followers? This "paid protesters" thing is really sticking in my craw and I think we need a hashtag for selfies of us "radical leftwing paid protesters" just going about our lives grocery shopping and sitting in cubicles when not out protesting and calling.


From the PPP thing.
Trump voters also continue to refuse to believe in the sincerity of those protesting him. 48% think the folks who protested at airports across the country last weekend were paid to do so by George Soros, to only 31% who think the protesters weren't paid. Trump voters thought the women's marchers were all paid by Mr. Soros as well so clearly the Trump administration is going to be very expensive for him.
That PPP thing is challenging me bigly. I'm about done with 'we have to reach Trump voters' and close to thinking that if they're that dug in then maybe those whole human sentience thing was a big mistake we may as well finish with so the porpoises or roaches can take over. Look at this part:
The attitudes of Trump voters on the issue of the order being a Muslim ban are telling. 71% claim they don't think the intent of the executive order was to ban Muslims from entering the country, to 23% who say that was the intent. But then when you ask Trump voters what their feelings on banning Muslims from the country are, they support it. 48% of Trump voters support banning Muslims from entering the country, to 40% who are opposed. So they say it's not a Muslim ban, but they want a Muslim ban, and 94% of them support the order.
I'm being glib (so I don't cry) about the end of days stuff but... if the only things we can do are things that necessitate turning these folks then maybe there's not things worth doing.
posted by phearlez at 1:46 PM on February 2 [32 favorites]


Sally Yates. Knew her days as AG were numbered, and decided to light that fuse early. That stupid, immoral, unconstitutional muslim ban, that goes against the geneva convention, the unhcr, just plain common decency - she wasn't going to defend that bullshit for a fucking second.

I hope one day she's the judge that puts the gavel down on her successor for treason.
posted by adept256 at 1:47 PM on February 2 [112 favorites]




A simple action to take - push for your public institutions to make a public statement on refugees or the Muslim Ban if they haven't already. For example here in New Zealand, Victoria University's Vice-Chancellor Professor Grant Guilford has put out a statement "“A foolhardy, unethical and quite possibly illegal Executive Order has been issued by the White House temporarily banning citizens of seven countries from entering the United States.

The University is not currently aware of any staff or students who are affected. However, we will continue to monitor the situation and if we do identify anyone at Victoria who is, or could be, impacted by the ban we will be doing everything possible to support and advise those people.

It goes without saying that disgraceful actions such as this Executive Order are the antithesis of Victoria University of Wellington’s global-civic commitment to inclusivity, equity and diversity, and are not in keeping with the core values of respect, responsibility, fairness, integrity and empathy we share with the wider academic community.”"

I'm not a student there, but I am at University of Auckland. Now I'm agitating to get my university to make a similar statement, as well as the uni where I got my nursing degree from (Massey). I've also been writing to my MP to make a similar statement.

Man, I really want to start something like Indivisible but for expats, does anyone know of anything like this? I'm sure there are many like me who are fired up but unable to physically be present in the USA to attend meetings etc.
posted by supercrayon at 1:49 PM on February 2 [9 favorites]


We're digging a hole here. It's going to be the biggest hole you've ever seen.

Pretty sure the biggest hole we've ever seen is currently occupying the Oval Office.
posted by Autumnheart at 1:51 PM on February 2 [48 favorites]


This morning's Australian tabloid covers (a tweet with images) - all focused on That Phone Call.

I laughed at the Game of Phones cover before realizing we all just got front row seats to Mad King Aerys's reign.
posted by Fish, fish, are you doing your duty? at 1:52 PM on February 2 [10 favorites]



The WH finally speaks out on Russia and Ukraine. Well sort of.

Jim Sciutto CNN tweet Breaking: In 1st comments to UNSC, UN Amb. Nikki Haley issues "clear and strong condemnation of Russian actions" in #Ukraine
posted by Jalliah at 1:52 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]




Puxatawny Phil

mai nam is phil
an every year
i ask mai self
"is sun still here?"

mai shado's gone
so spring iz nigh
but strange oranj spray
up on dis guy

ded sqirel there
on top his hed
ignore the spring
go bak to bed
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:53 PM on February 2 [123 favorites]


Man, I really want to start something like Indivisible but for expats, does anyone know of anything like this? I'm sure there are many like me who are fired up but unable to physically be present in the USA to attend meetings etc.
posted by supercrayon at 5:49 AM on February 3 [3 favorites −] Favorite added! [!]

Best I've worked out is Google Voice for phone calls, beyond that, I don't know.


But I'd imagine finding a way to get foreign voices into our media conversation, people on the street style, would do a world of good. We need some way to fight against the dehumanization of affected groups.
posted by saysthis at 1:55 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


My cat has terminal cancer and it's making it hard for her to poop so we just got her a bunch of good dope but will have to carefully squeeze what comes out of her anus to determine if she's getting constipated.

That little story is like, full of hope and beauty and honor when compared to DJT and what he has done.
posted by angrycat at 1:55 PM on February 2 [85 favorites]


Okay something has happened here. This sounds different then what was coming out last week.

TRUMP WARNS ISRAEL: STOP ANNOUNCING NEW SETTLEMENTS

The White House warned Israel on Thursday – in a surprising statement – to cease settlement announcements that are “unilateral” and “undermining” of President Donald Trump’s effort to forge Middle East peace, a senior administration official told The Jerusalem Post.

For the first time, the administration confirmed that Trump is committed to a comprehensive two-state solution to the Israeli- Palestinian conflict negotiated between the parties.

posted by Jalliah at 1:56 PM on February 2 [9 favorites]


Puxatawny Phil didn't see his shadow, so he provided shade
posted by chavenet at 1:56 PM on February 2 [14 favorites]


I don’t believe in ghosts because, if there were such a thing, then I think the following would be a true story. As far as I know, it is not. …

Somewhere in America, just before midnight on every Friday the 13th, the ghost of Frederick Douglass appears at the bedside of some racist wretch.


A ghost story by Fred Clark.
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 1:57 PM on February 2 [16 favorites]


I don't support the settlements and think the two state solution is almost certainly the wisest, but way to piss off one of your few remaining allies who isn't pissed off, President Bannon.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:58 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


>“undermining” of President Donald Trump’s effort to forge Middle East peace,

IN THESE DARK TIMES A TRUE STATESMAN ARISES

pull the other one.
posted by Sing Or Swim at 1:58 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


President Donald Trump’s effort to forge Middle East peace

lol
posted by Copronymus at 1:58 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


DHS Secretary Says Parts Of Border Wall Will Be 'See Through'

Scientific optical principle really works.
posted by lagomorphius at 1:59 PM on February 2


maybe he's, like, paying someone to literally forge a giant hunk of gold that says "MIDDLE EAST PEACE" for him to hang up
posted by Copronymus at 1:59 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


They misspelled "forget".
posted by dng at 1:59 PM on February 2 [13 favorites]


President Donald Trump’s effort to forge Middle East peace

Amazing that his attempt to pull a "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" to distract from his fuckups everywhere else is fucking over the one ally/friend he actually had. Sorry Bibi.

Genius.
posted by chris24 at 2:00 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


The White House warned Israel on Thursday....

Haha! The Likudniks got screwed over again.
posted by PenDevil at 2:01 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


I don't support the settlements and think the two state solution is almost certainly the wisest, but way to piss off one of your few remaining allies who isn't pissed off, President Bannon.

I dunno if it is Bannon. Last week the noise was all about the embassy moving and Kushner involved in 'deals' around settlements.

Or maybe IT IS Bannon who is now undermining Kushner. Hmm.
posted by Jalliah at 2:01 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


I also would love an Indivisible for expats. Democrats Abroad exists; maybe we can bug them to get something going?
posted by nat at 2:02 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


I pick my son up early from school every Thursday to take him to his therapist.

In our city 1 of about every 6 residents is an immigrant. We have one of the largest Somali refugee communities in the country.

Today, while waiting in the office, I learned two things.

1) his elementary school (grades K-5) has a "Civil Rights Club"
2) the civil rights club apparently asked each class to sign a petition that says (I'm paraphrasing from memory) "Recently in the news, there have been lots of things that are scary for our classmates who are new to America. I sign my name below to say that I welcome you here and that I will stand up to bullies on your behalf."

I know this because the petitions -- pages of them -- were posted on the wall outside the office, with a little typewritten explanatory note. Names written with big letters in shaky crayon. Names written by kids who are just learning cursive. Names written with i's dotted with hearts, and a few names written in non-English characters. Two thumbprints with names penciled in next to them by teachers (I'm assuming these belong to the kids who I see who have serious motor disabilities, but I don't know for sure.)

The kids man. The kids will resist. The kids will stand up for each other. The kids are all right.
posted by anastasiav at 2:03 PM on February 2 [338 favorites]


That PPP thing is challenging me bigly. I'm about done with 'we have to reach Trump voters' and close to thinking that if they're that dug in then maybe those whole human sentience thing was a big mistake we may as well finish with so the porpoises or roaches can take over.

It drives me crazy because how much of a bubble do you have to be in to not know a single person who has protested in the past week? Maybe not someone you see regularly or IRL, but a friend of a friend on FB or your niece in another state or that lefty roommate from your freshman year of college or someone? But we're the ones who are in bubbles and just need to reach out and understand the Trump voters' anger. Yeah right. Also, the obsession with Soros is anti-semitic and they can't possibly understand how money works if they think he's paying us all.
posted by Mavri at 2:04 PM on February 2 [20 favorites]


As for the "We can't help refugees, we've got Veterans and their kittens and tiny tiny babies to help first blargh arghle" bullshit, I have been running into this dialogue here as well (although less to do with Vets, and more housing, education, etc.").

I have been responding thusly:
Long version - "Wow, I'm so glad we agree on this issue Bob! Veterans absolutely need access to high quality services and health care. This is why I'm sure you've been contacting your reps regarding the recent indication that Trump may try and privatise the VA, against the wishes of his nominee David Shulkin. I know you've been contacting your reps on this issue because you really care about America's vets, and you would never just be using them as a rhetorical device. Likewise I no doubt don't need to tell you as you're obviously very well informed, but vets are really overrespresented among the homeless population, and this is an absolute outrage. That's why you've been agitating to get better access to secure housing for our veterans with your local city council. I'm sure you've been very effective at this because you, like me, care deeply about this issue. You wouldn't just be paying lip service to our vets without actually following through on advocating on their behalf. And I'm especially pleased to hear you will no doubt be a strong supporter of the Wounded Warriors! I hardly need to tell you but as a charitable organization they can always use more donations and volunteers. I know you must already been donating and volunteering because you are a staunch ally of our veterans. You wouldn't be using their status to discriminate against another completely different group of vulnerable people like refugees, that would be a horrible, disrespectful thing to do." etc.

Short version - Cut the shit. We are the richest country on the face of the planet, don't tell me we can't provide services to vets and help refugees.
posted by supercrayon at 2:05 PM on February 2 [141 favorites]


“Betsy told me all about Frederick Douglass,” Trump told reporters.

Is it even remotely possible that Trump did not know who Frederick Douglas was? Or is it just another instance of him improperly using our language? After being sandwiched between to mental midget presidents Obama is going to seem like an intellectual giant. (which he may in fact be)
posted by notreally at 2:06 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


Thanks Existential Dread for posting that info on calling the Senate Committee on Homeland Security. I was able to get through and here's what I found out.

1) If the phone is "answered" and you get dead silence, hold on the line.
2) A recorded message will play telling you to leave a message.
3) After the recording, there will be more dead silence, but again stay on the line.
4) Leave your concise message.

Here are the talking points I used against Bannon--please use them if they are helpful:

1) Bannon has made many Islamophobic statements that undermine US diplomatic and security interests and should not be given any governmental power.
2) He has no intelligence and no security experience.
3) Bannon is a clear and present danger to the national security of the United States.
4) Thus, Bannon must be removed from the NSC, while the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence must be reinstated.

These talking points are super progressive exactly, but I think they might make an impression on the Senators.

As always, keep calling, faxing, writing, and marching.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 2:06 PM on February 2 [37 favorites]


I laughed at the Game of Phones cover before realizing we all just got front row seats to Mad King Aerys's reign.

I'd say we got Joffrey. Which means the next President will soon be Barron. Whose only notable act will be appointing his cat to the NSC. Senior Advisor Pounce.
posted by honestcoyote at 2:06 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


Sorry for the length, but nothing pisses me off more than "We can't help x, we should be helping y!" from people who are helping neither. Don't politicize people who need help when you're sitting on your ass.
posted by supercrayon at 2:07 PM on February 2 [26 favorites]


Jennifer Barrett: Our neighborhood kids hanging signs of support at our corner bodega. #WeStandWithYou #BodegaStrike

I was a little late getting home for ♫ The Spicey Show ♫ today because I took a brief detour to add a message to the giant banner of support and solidarity for international students that our International Studies office provided for faculty, staff, and students to contribute to. It had only been out there for an hour or so and was fairly full, and lots of folks were stopping by to leave notes. A satisfying morning, all things considered.
posted by FelliniBlank at 2:07 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


Wow - I was hoping he'd piss off the Jews who voted for him, but I always assumed he'd do it through incompetence or slow attrition. This is much better.

Though on the other hand (though this is from yesterday): Israeli Officials Worried that Trump Will Actually Move Embassy
posted by Mchelly at 2:07 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


The kids man. The kids will resist. The kids will stand up for each other. The kids are all right.

Oh man, I'm getting weepy at work...thank you.
posted by notsnot at 2:09 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


Donald Trump's advisors on Women in the Workforce

Doug McMillon, chief executive of Wal-Mart Stores Inc.

Mark Weinberger, chief executive of EY
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 2:09 PM on February 2 [10 favorites]


I'd say we got Joffrey. Which means the next President will soon be Barron. Whose only notable act will be appointing his cat to the NSC. Senior Advisor Pounce.

I would trust Pounce over Bannon.
posted by Fish, fish, are you doing your duty? at 2:11 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


Your article is paywalled for me, roomthreeseventeen. Are there any women among Donald Trump's advisors on women in the workforce?

Sometime in the early 90s, I attended a meeting of the House GOP subcommittee on women. There were no women on the House GOP subcommittee on women. It was fascinating.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:12 PM on February 2 [20 favorites]


I'm 100% for protests, marches, civil disobedience, and honestly, some more extreme methods as necessary. One thing I'm having a hard time with, though - every single article and post telling me to call my rep. The phones are of the hook. No one is taking messages. Voicemail is full. And even IF calling en masse made it through to my rep....I no longer trust any of them to do anything. Even if every one stood up and voted against every bill and every nominee, Republicans would still win every time. These people no longer, if every they did, represent us. Maybe... Maybe a year and a half from now they'll start paying attention when their seats are up. But they have no reason to listen to us this year because we've shown them time and time again that we have short memories and will forget their spinelessness next month. Anyone care to provide me some compelling evidence to the contrary? I really don't want to think this way.
posted by greermahoney at 2:12 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


Donald Trump's advisors on Women in the Workforce

Doug McMillon, chief executive of Wal-Mart Stores Inc.

Mark Weinberger, chief executive of EY


It is 2017 and we have a Department of Mansplaining.
posted by zombieflanders at 2:12 PM on February 2 [114 favorites]


Your article is paywalled for me, roomthreeseventeen. Are there any women among Donald Trump's advisors on women in the workforce?

The only two people listed are those men.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 2:13 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


Israeli Officials Worried that Trump Will Actually Move Embassy

So funny to me in a way. When I was in Israel for the first time, on a church trip in 1989, the Israeli tour guide, and some officials we met along the way, urged us to "write your President. Write your Congress. Tell them to move the embassy to Jerusalem. Keeping it in Tel Aviv is unfair."
posted by honestcoyote at 2:14 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]






Anyone care to provide me some compelling evidence to the contrary? I really don't want to think this way.

The Tea Party.
posted by Coventry at 2:14 PM on February 2 [16 favorites]


One more note on the PPP poll from earlier. The people who know who Bannon is don't like him (41% unfavorable vs 19% favorable) but 40% of respondents were 'Not Sure'. Most people still don't have a clue who Bannon is, don't know that he's running the show, don't know that he's consolidating power for himself, don't know that he's a white supremacist evil little shit. That's why it's important for #StopPresidentBannon campaign to keep going and for the Pelosi's of this world to say the words 'white supremacist on the National Security Council' so the rest of the country can hear that and go 'Woah, that can't be right, who is this Bannon guy'.
posted by TwoWordReview at 2:14 PM on February 2 [42 favorites]


Pretty much everybody I've spoken to about the Trump-Turnbull call has lol'd about it. Turnbull is a spineless numpty and I'm glad he got rolled. Seriously though, Australia is basically an entry-tier bonus for Kickstarter backers of "America: The Institution". You'd have to be an idiot to not be able to manage that.
posted by turbid dahlia at 2:15 PM on February 2 [9 favorites]


Yeah right. Also, the obsession with Soros is anti-semitic and they can't possibly understand how money works if they think he's paying us all.

When I have time I ask them how much do you think he is paying each protester per protest. If they're game this can take a little to work through but if you get to that point then ask to start running the numbers. Very quickly you'll get up to where Soros is has paid over a billion dollars for just protesting this past two weeks. Start adding in the other stuff they usually saying he is doing and it goes even higher.

The numbers take on a ridiculous nature and the ones I've done this with usually drop it. The extended version for those that refuse to drop it because he's worth 25 billion so what's one billion when your worth that much already you start running numbers on how soon he'll go through the 25 billion if you keep up the pace. It just gets sillier and sillier.

I've had one person once we got to this version of silly land just said that he had billions and billions of secret money at his disposal. You can't reach some people no matter what you do or say.
posted by Jalliah at 2:15 PM on February 2 [41 favorites]


The Soros thing makes more sense if you stop thinking about "Soros" as meaning a particular guy named George Soros and realize that it actually means "the international Jewish conspiracy."
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 2:16 PM on February 2 [111 favorites]


Here are the talking points I used against Bannon--please use them if they are helpful:

1) Bannon has made many Islamophobic statements that undermine US diplomatic and security interests and should not be given any governmental power.
2) He has no intelligence and no security experience.
3) Bannon is a clear and present danger to the national security of the United States.
4) Thus, Bannon must be removed from the NSC, while the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Director of National Intelligence must be reinstated.


I would also add that President George W Bush knew the value of keeping the NSC apolitical and drew a clear line on Karl Rove not attending, and Bannon is so much more dangerous than Rove ever was that his presence delegitimizes NSC decisions.
posted by jason_steakums at 2:16 PM on February 2 [29 favorites]


You know what continues to really bug me about all that has happened post-election? I still see so many areas of agreement or rational compromise between the average liberal and conservative here. I'd be happy to talk about regulatory reform, tighter immigration vetting, improvement of the ACA, etc. Instead, it's just excess on both sides. The mainstream media is reporting right now on Trump's hair loss drugs, for god's sake (and I'm a liberal, but come on, that's so irrelevant).
posted by megancita at 2:16 PM on February 2 [9 favorites]


Donald Trump's advisors on Women in the Workforce

reflexively unleashed a long groan before even getting to the names because I just KNEW it was gonna be another panel of dudes
posted by everybody had matching towels at 2:17 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


One more note on the PPP poll from earlier. The people who know who Bannon is don't like him (41% unfavorable vs 19% favorable) but 40% of respondents were 'Not Sure'. Most people still don't have a clue who Bannon is, don't know that he's running the show, don't know that he's consolidating power for himself, don't know that he's a white supremacist evil little shit. That's why it's important for #StopPresidentBannon campaign to keep going and for the Pelosi's of this world to say the words 'white supremacist on the National Security Council' so the rest of the country can hear that and go 'Woah, that can't be right, who is this Bannon guy'.

And, tie his name to Flynn, Miller and Sessions at every opportunity.
posted by jason_steakums at 2:18 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


>Donald Trump's advisors on Women in the Workforce

...so... the Cabinet for Grabbin' it?
posted by Sing Or Swim at 2:19 PM on February 2 [36 favorites]




Donald Trump's advisors on Women in the Workforce

reflexively unleashed a long groan before even getting to the names because I just KNEW it was gonna be another panel of dudes
posted by everybody had matching towels at 6:17 AM on February 3 [+] [!]


Hey, don't knock the dudes. They have binders full of women. The best binders. Tremendous binders.
posted by saysthis at 2:20 PM on February 2 [14 favorites]


@jonathanweisman - Recall uproar when Obama weighed in on Harvard historian Skip Gates' run-in w/police. Now think: Trump has intervened for Milo Yiannopoulos.

Goddammit Obama had to have a beer with that racist ass cop and Republicans still probably thought he should resign, while Trump gets to flock to Milo Yiannopoulos' side and people shrug.
posted by DynamiteToast at 2:20 PM on February 2 [63 favorites]




A non-paywalled link of the CEO list.

Tax and Trade

Indra Nooyi, chief executive of PepsiCo Inc.

Ginni Rometty, chief executive of International Business Machines Corp.

Women in the Workforce

Doug McMillon, chief executive of Wal-Mart Stores Inc.

Mark Weinberger, chief executive of EY

Regulation

Mary Barra, chief executive of General Motors Co.

Paul Atkins, former Republican member of the Securities and Exchange Commission

Infrastructure

Laurence Fink, chief executive of BlackRock Inc.

Adebayo Ogunlesi, chairman of Global Infrastructure Partners
posted by chris24 at 2:21 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


The Soros thing makes more sense if you stop thinking about "Soros" as meaning a particular guy named George Soros and realize that it actually means "the international Jewish conspiracy."

It's gone well beyond the point where everyone that uses it is just using it as code. I know it's used by lots of people to mean this and that this is where it comes from. I also know, I've had conversations with them, that lots of people have no clue that it has anything to do with anything Jewish. It's just something that the right wing people say now because it's some sort of given.
posted by Jalliah at 2:21 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


The mainstream media is reporting right now on Trump's hair loss drugs, for god's sake (and I'm a liberal, but come on, that's so irrelevant).
I agree, yet... that fucking asshole made physical appearance into such a big deal that he basically insinuated that his followers shouldn't vote for anyone who sweats or who has smaller hands than he does. Let this distract him from isolating our allies. Let him lose sleep over the fact that he's disgusting inside and out and we all know it.

Only half-joking, I get that the people running the show like Bannon are gleeful when he gets stuck up on petty bullshit so they can keep pulling the strings to work evil, but I don't know, seeing the NYT headline about his hair made me feel something closer to happiness than I've felt looking at news for a long time.
posted by the thorn bushes have roses at 2:21 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


I'd be happy to talk about regulatory reform, tighter immigration vetting, improvement of the ACA, etc. Instead, it's just excess on both sides. The mainstream media is reporting right now on Trump's hair loss drugs, for god's sake (and I'm a liberal, but come on, that's so irrelevant)

Yeah, it's excess on both sides: one side talks about his hair and the other side wants to take away our vote and maybe murder us. Liberals should really tone it down.
posted by Rust Moranis at 2:22 PM on February 2 [37 favorites]


Turnbull is a spineless numpty

Apropos of that...

Numpty Trumpty promised a wall
Numpty Trumpty had a great fall
All the world's women and all the world's men
Wished the yanks would do election again
posted by UbuRoivas at 2:22 PM on February 2 [17 favorites]


To his credit, Trump has come up with a really effective method of curtailing both illegal immigration and refugee seekers, namely: to render the USA a place nobody in their right mind would want to live.

And failing that, to render it literally unlivable through either unchecked pollution or nuclear fallout, one assumes. It's always smart to have a backup plan!
posted by penduluum at 2:23 PM on February 2 [12 favorites]


I would like to get paid to protest. Where are they recruiting? Are we unionized? Do we get a lunch break? 401(k)?

Anyone?
posted by Soliloquy at 2:23 PM on February 2 [18 favorites]


I'm not defending him, because come on, but the info posted here about the women-in-the-workplace advisors is misleading. He invited 8 CEOs to the WH to talk about various issues. The CEO slated to talk about women in the workplace is Ginni Rometty, CEO of IBM.

I couldn't read the WSJ article either, but here's a press release.
posted by mudpuppie at 2:24 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


Arkansas Just Made Some Abortion Procedures Punishable by 6 Years in Prison

Gorsuch isn't even on yet.

(A few days old, apparently. But news to me.)
posted by snuffleupagus at 2:24 PM on February 2 [21 favorites]


The mainstream media is reporting right now on Trump's hair loss drugs, for god's sake (and I'm a liberal, but come on, that's so irrelevant).

I agree, yet... that fucking asshole made physical appearance into such a big deal


Plus it wasn't reporters digging to find this. It was his own damn shitty doctor who broke confidentiality. Maybe have a real doctor and release a real medical report and this shit wouldn't be news.
posted by chris24 at 2:25 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


I couldn't read the WSJ article either, but here's a press release.

So WSJ is fake news now? I copy/pasted exactly the way they have it listed.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 2:25 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


Is it even remotely possible that Trump did not know who Frederick Douglas was?

I think it's very unlikely that he knew. I think it's pretty unlikely that he knows now.
posted by howfar at 2:26 PM on February 2 [25 favorites]


No wait, I misread. Never mind!
posted by mudpuppie at 2:26 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


I'm not defending him, because come on, but the info posted here about the women-in-the-workplace advisors is misleading. He invited 8 CEOs to the WH to talk about various issues. The CEO slated to talk about women in the workplace is Ginni Rometty, CEO of IBM.

Pretty sure you're reading that wrong. As I posted above from the same press release, the people under the category are the ones speaking about it.
posted by chris24 at 2:26 PM on February 2


If Soros can afford to pay all those protestors, you should probably crown him president. Since he'd have to be way, waaay, richer, and therefore more qualified, than the current guy.
posted by rodlymight at 2:27 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


The DCCC has sent me an email that consists of more than sentimental wheedling or impotent yelling, announcing actual plans and action. This is not normal.

guess it's time to donate for positive reinforcement
posted by foxfirefey at 2:28 PM on February 2 [10 favorites]


So WSJ is fake news now? I copy/pasted exactly the way they have it listed.

No, it's just paywalled.
posted by mochapickle at 2:28 PM on February 2


UPDATE: 4:50 p.m. ― Sens. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), Cory Gardner (R-Colo.) and Jack Reed (D-R.I.), and House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), each said Thursday that they, too, had called Hockey to reaffirm the alliance between the United States and Australia.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 2:29 PM on February 2 [21 favorites]


I can't believe we're fucking talking about hair.
posted by CottonCandyCapers at 2:30 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]



I think the play may be emerging. Guess we'll see.


#BREAKING @AFP (United Nations) - US says no lifting of Russia sanctions unless Crimea returned to Ukraine.


How much does Putin want or need Crimea? More then he wants sanctions lifted? How much is he a man who okay to lose some face over getting billions of dollars? (I don't know enough to answer these questions)

Because what if the deal is.

Okay Donnie. I'm gonna make a big ruckus in Ukraine.
You tell me to back off.
I make a bit of a fuss and back off
Then you look good cause I met the deal and bang sanctions off.
posted by Jalliah at 2:31 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]



Or it could be and indication that some sane people are trying to take back some control from Donald and Co.
posted by Jalliah at 2:32 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


turbid dahlia Turnbull is a spineless numpty and I'm glad he got rolled. I disagree. Whatever the personal or political characteristics of Turnbull, that phone-call is not how any government leader should be treated by any other leader, especially an ally. It is rude, ignorant and crass behaviour. But the worst thing about Trump's behaviour is the message it sends other world leaders. Will I be treated this way? Will I be made to look like a numpty by Trump? Can I trust Trump with anything I say to him? Should I take his call when it is "sundown" in Washington?

Laugh all you want about Turnbull being rolled, but the destabilising effect of it on international diplomacy and how Trump is perceived by other world leaders is certainly not funny.
posted by vac2003 at 2:33 PM on February 2 [40 favorites]


How much does Putin want or need Crimea?

As I understand it, the Crimea is a pretty big deal because of its warm-water port. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
posted by entropicamericana at 2:34 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


Yo, I just called Feinstein's LA office and immediately got through, so clearly we Californians aren't calling hard enough. Today's Bullshit that I settled on conveying to my elected representative was rejecting Gorsuch's nomination/confirmation.

As an aside, I'm so used to leaving messages at this point that I was flustered when I spoke to an actual person. Do I need to give them my name or just my zip code? The guy who answered only asked for my zip code. When I leave messages, I leave my name and zip code but now I'm wondering if I should bother with leaving my name if I don't want a response back.
posted by yasaman at 2:34 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


it's not even the amount of money it would take to pay all the protesters, it's the fucking insanely complicated logistics of getting everyone's contact info to actually give them the money in the first place. do they think there is a secret website called JEW MONEY FOR LIBS where we sign up for our checks? but somehow none of their media gods have been savvy enough to find it?

i actually hate them more for their astonishing stupidity than i do for their antisemitism

also it's a dead clear clue that none of them have ever had any kind of community involvement in any way seeing as the very thought of it doesn't give them horror flashbacks of having to do data entry from a handwritten sign-in sheet of misspelled email addresses and phone numbers missing an area code and people named john smith whose meandering chickenscratch handwriting makes it look like jerbleberble smoockypoop
posted by poffin boffin at 2:34 PM on February 2 [107 favorites]


Jalliah: Or it could be and indication that some sane people are trying to take back some control from Donald and Co.

As much as I'd like to believe this, I laughed out loud when I read it. Who are these sane people? Mattis? Are there enough sane people around him to use the plural "people?"

This is no criticism of you, Jalliah, because I really do hope you're right.
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:35 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


Or Vladimir called up Donnie and said something like "Stop making it so obvious that I'm calling the shots"
posted by TwoWordReview at 2:35 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


"Fox News: DHS Secretary Says Parts Of Border Wall Will Be 'See Through'"

Despairingly funny. So first they will recruit lots of people to build the wall. Then they will recruit lots of people to guard the "see through" parts of the wall. Most of these people will be vulnerable, with little education and poor outlook. We'll get to see ruddy faces and enjoy schmaltzy stories about bootstraps and American spirit. These people will be huddled together for months (years), being fed propaganda and paramilitary programming to deal with the "bad hombres". They will be isolated and loyal and full of contempt for anyone who disparages the man who revived America.

They're not building a wall. They're building a prison.
posted by dmh at 2:35 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


my name is Malc
and wen on fone
I talk to Trumpf
for half a mome

am soon beset
by mocking jeers
I hope none sees me
lik the tears.
posted by turbid dahlia at 2:36 PM on February 2 [20 favorites]


If you can get through to Feinstein, complain about the CBP at LAX not honoring the orders of the District Court, and the US Marshals refusal to serve further process without instructions from the US Attorney. Just ask what the Senator's office is doing about it, no need to have a real grasp of the law.

U.S. Marshals Accused Of Not Serving Court Orders About Immigration Ban

LA immigration attorneys hit wall of silence with LAX customs officials

posted by snuffleupagus at 2:37 PM on February 2 [28 favorites]


I'd be happy to talk about regulatory reform, tighter immigration vetting, improvement of the ACA, etc. Instead, it's just excess on both sides. The mainstream media is reporting right now on Trump's hair loss drugs, for god's sake (and I'm a liberal, but come on, that's so irrelevant)

Look, we have had eight fucking years of an administration that staked its entire legacy on trying to reach bipartisanship agreement or common ground with the GOP. Eight years, and this is where it has gotten us.

At what point, megancita, do you give up on trying to negotiate with terrorists? At what point do you stop pretending that a terrorist is ever going to negotiate with you in good faith?

I have gone from desperately hoping that there was some shell of honor in the Republican party to grimly determined to burn it, root and stem and branch, as viciously and mercilessly as I can, based on the responses I hear from Republican leaders and officials. I may re-evaluate that as I see action from key Republican leaders, but I am not optimistic and I am not waiting for that action as I devise my game plans; I will happily work with conservatives but only if they take action against this regime and I can relate to them as comrades in arms. I view this as basic human patriotism, because there are terrorists in control of our government, and their only goal appears to be causing pain to Americans who never fucking did anything to anyone else, plus consolidating power and founding a goddamn fucking evil dictatorship in the fucking cradle of modern democracy.

Damn right I am using extreme rhetoric. I am using extreme rhetoric because we are in extreme times. I am using extreme rhetoric because this is a state of national emergency. And if you think I am being too strident or too severe or too, fuck, I don't even know, excessive, I would like you to look inside yourself and ask yourself what a regime that did merit this kind of response would look like and how you would know it to identify it.
posted by sciatrix at 2:39 PM on February 2 [101 favorites]


it's not even the amount of money it would take to pay all the protesters, it's the fucking insanely complicated logistics of getting everyone's contact info to actually give them the money in the first place. do they think there is a secret website called JEW MONEY FOR LIBS where we sign up for our checks? but somehow none of their media gods have been savvy enough to find it?

Right, this operation if it existed would be so big and dumb and obvious that even James O'Keefe would manage to infiltrate it.
posted by DynamiteToast at 2:39 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]




Whatever the personal or political characteristics of Turnbull, that phone-call is not how any government leader should be treated by any other leader, especially an ally.

I agree completely and think that Trump is one of the vilest slugs to ever creep across the face of our planet. But Turnbull and his cabinet have been carrying on since the US election about their "special relationship" with the Republican Party, and I'm happy it has been demonstrated that there is no such thing. They are utterly insignificant and if they had a half a brain and a loop of intestine between them, they would be reassessing their alliances, changing their tone and their approach, and sending a few more diplomats to China.
posted by turbid dahlia at 2:40 PM on February 2 [15 favorites]


Thanks to Existential Dread and Excommunicated Cardinal for the information about calling the Senate Committee on Homeland Security about Bannon.

I got through and left a message. It was my first call because I am a wuss about the phone, but it won't be my last.

For general messages like these (rather than calls to specific representatives), do people usually provide their name, number, and location? I did, but I'm not sure if I needed to or if was even a good idea.
posted by minsies at 2:40 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


JEW MONEY FOR LIBS

Once they repeal the 501c rules, this should totally be a thing.
posted by snuffleupagus at 2:40 PM on February 2 [12 favorites]


> I think I'll participate in the science march wearing this Rogue NASA shirt.

I just bought that shirt! And yes, I'm hoping I can wear it to the march

(Which...I actually have a class scheduled to teach that day, damnit! I want badly to participate, but I also want to be there for my students who tend to be nervous about Doing Actual Science. I am very much torn.)
posted by Salieri at 2:41 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


As much as I'd like to believe this, I laughed out loud when I read it. Who are these sane people? Mattis? Are there enough sane people around him to use the plural "people?"

You don't have to be non-evil to realize you're supposed to be kinda sorta opaque about this shit. I can easily imagine Tillerson showing up for his first full day on the job and saying "no, you idiots, subtlety matters."
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:41 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


it's not even the amount of money it would take to pay all the protesters, it's the fucking insanely complicated logistics of getting everyone's contact info to actually give them the money in the first place.

Maybe they think there's a guy with a suitcase full of cash handing out dolla dolla bills y'all to protesters on their way out of the protest. Alas, all I've gotten thus far is: 1) Communist Party newsletter, 2) Resist Fascism sticker, 3) assorted flyers for progressive organizations.
posted by yasaman at 2:42 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


I think I speak for everyone when I say fuck.
posted by flatluigi at 2:42 PM on February 2 [34 favorites]


When I have time I ask them how much do you think he is paying each protester per protest.

This is actually one of the areas where previous defense kind of trips things up here. Because the women's march actually is somewhat unique as opposed to previous protests - which honestly, look - I say this as someone who was involved with the nonprofit industrial complex, but the charge at their heart - that people involved in running protests often make money off doing it - is not, generally, wrong. Big protests that get in the news mean more funding which mean salaries, and are often engaged in even if they're not tactical or people involved don't think they'll work. There's a cycle where a lot of the protests any organization engages in in a given year are somewhat mercenary, even if the organization has the best intentions. Sure, 'every protester gets paid' is obvious bullshit, but it'd also be bullshit to say no one is getting anything.

And all of that is complete bullshit when it comes to the Women's March, which was super fucking organic, and which had random people spending hundreds of dollars on plane tickets because they just wanted to be a part of it. It absolutely was not business as usual. It was incredibly motivating and powerful and different, but you can't really acknowledge that it's different without acknowledging that previous protests did have money tied to them really intrinsically. (Which is not just a bullshit right-wing charge: from the left, try reading The Revolution Will Not Be Funded: Beyond The Nonprofit Industrial Complex)
posted by corb at 2:43 PM on February 2 [13 favorites]


Pretty sure they think it's done on Craigslist.
posted by Mchelly at 2:44 PM on February 2


Maybe a year and a half from now they'll start paying attention when their seats are up. But they have no reason to listen to us this year because we've shown them time and time again that we have short memories and will forget their spinelessness next month. Anyone care to provide me some compelling evidence to the contrary? I really don't want to think this way.

greermahoney, don't despair. It sounds like you're concerned about two things: Republican obstruction/maneuvering and Democratic spinelessness. Re: the former, now that they control all the things it will be harder for them to blame the Dems if the shit they push through goes wrong. Witness how the GOP is suddenly walking back all their big talk of repealing the ACA. They know they have nothing to replace it and no one else to blame if their constituents lose the healthcare access they enjoyed under Obama. As for the latter, several senators have cited the volume of calls/faxes/letters from constituents as reasons for their votes -- I think Sen. Feinstein cited the 55,000 calls she received as her reason for voting No on Sessions. So hearing from their constituents *is* effective, even if it has to happen in such crazy volumes that not everyone gets through.

I think part of what's happening now is that enough of us are piqued enough to remind our reps who they really work for. I don't know what the numbers are on voter forgetfulness but say for example reps can count on only 25% of the people motivated enough to contact them during a non-election year to remember how they acted when re-election/donation season comes around. The number represented by that 25% is *much* higher now, so reps already know to expect more people to hold them accountable for how they act now. One weird upside of DJT's election was also how it demonstrated the power of social media to inform and mobilize voters, and I think reps are realizing that come the next election cycle, the more forgetful segments of their electorate will see lots of FB and Twitter posts from their more engaged counterparts, reminding them of how well their reps protected their interests (or didn't) in the non-election year.

Maybe this is wishful thinking, but I want to say inertia works both ways: It's hard to get people moving, but once they get going it's also hard to make them stop.
posted by Fish, fish, are you doing your duty? at 2:45 PM on February 2 [14 favorites]


In case anyone missed it, here's a handy visual aid for Trump's relationship with Steve Bannon.
posted by homunculus at 2:45 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


Best I've worked out is Google Voice for phone calls, beyond that, I don't know.

Consider Asterisk. A $35 raspberry pi 3 + microsd card + http://nerdvittles.com/?p=17094 is one way to get it started.

Activist tools that can be slapped on a microsd + a pi strikes me as a low-friction way to distribute the revolution as software.
posted by rough ashlar at 2:46 PM on February 2 [15 favorites]


For general messages like these (rather than calls to specific representatives), do people usually provide their name, number, and location? I did, but I'm not sure if I needed to or if was even a good idea.

I do; I left my name and number for this one. When I call my senators or representative, I give my zip code, but not my address, and state that I am a constituent.

I am personally not concerned about any consequences because I am a privileged white male; I would understand that others might not be comfortable with leaving this kind of identifying information.
posted by Existential Dread at 2:47 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


Here in Louisville, Navy Seals are driving around in their Humvees flying Trump flags. Resist, yeah, sure. But I'm starting to think that when the equation is military + religious political structure + state control, that starts to equal emigrate.
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 2:47 PM on February 2 [14 favorites]


Cross-posted from the end of the last thread, where links are easy to miss:

Matt Taibbi: The Anti-Refugee Movement Is America at Its Most Ignorant. The Trump movement can't even understand self-interest
posted by homunculus at 2:48 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


Here in Louisville, Navy Seals are driving around in their Humvees flying Trump flags. Resist, yeah, sure. But I'm starting to think that when the equation is military + religious political structure + state control, that starts to equal emigrate.

to paraphrase Michael Bolton from Office Space, "they're the ones who suck, why should i move?"
posted by entropicamericana at 2:49 PM on February 2 [11 favorites]


Fox News: The Republican-controlled House on Thursday took its first steps toward strengthening gun ownership under President Donald Trump, moving to scrap a requirement for background checks for disabled Social Security recipients mentally incapable of managing their own affairs.

Mentally unstable, disabled seniors are probably more likely to use a gun on themselves then somebody else. This is part of Trump's plan to save Social Security.
posted by COD at 2:50 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


So, going back to my comment above about how the DoD (the Secretary of Defense, actually) has plans to delete its records on the vetting of presidential appointees because the Office of Government Ethics already keeps those records, so DoD is just duplicating effort:
"I am not sure whether you are aware that announcing the cabinet without first coordinating with OGE is unprecedented," he wrote, "and creates unnecessary risk for both the President-elect and the prospective nominees."

[Walter] Shaub [Director of OGE] stated that his ethics office had "not been involved in the process as to any of these individuals."

Officials Warned Trump Against ‘Unprecedented’ Plan to Staff Cabinet Without Ethics Vetting
Um.
posted by mudpuppie at 2:50 PM on February 2 [9 favorites]


U.S. Marshals Accused Of Not Serving Court Orders About Immigration Ban

The only circumstances in which these officials could hope to dodge section 1983 lawsuits involve a near total collapse of judicial authority, right? Surely even a stacked supreme court couldn't clear them?
posted by Coventry at 2:52 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


The mainstream media is reporting right now on Trump's hair loss drugs, for god's sake (and I'm a liberal, but come on, that's so irrelevant).

It looks Trump lied about taking this prescription hair-loss drug, Propecia (his bizarre doctor's letter in December stated he was taking only "low dose of a statin" and a daily asprin). Although Trump lies so frequently, even about minor matters, there may be a reason he wanted to hide this from the public. Emerging research suggests that Propecia's side effects may include insomnia and brain fog. That would explain his late-night Twitter addiction and his evident moments of confusion.
posted by Doktor Zed at 2:53 PM on February 2 [13 favorites]


a near total collapse of judicial authority, right?

The US Marshal's Service is already refusing to carry out the orders of the District Court.
US Attorneys are subject to removal by the President.

Ultimately, all the Supreme Court has to do is deny Cert.
posted by snuffleupagus at 2:55 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


This morning Mr. Noble Goofy Elk, The and I went to a two hour foster parent CEU class.

As the class was ending, I approached an older Muslim couple and said how sorry I was that this was happening. I told them I hope they feel supported by the community. Blank stares. Then the man said, basically, they supported Trump but thanks for trying to be 'friendly', ya loser.

I felt so ashamed. Who am I to be white girl white knighting, assuming things about people? What the fuck is wrong with me? Should I even talk to the other Muslim in the room?

She was a young woman, there by herself. I swallowed, reminded myself that I had good intentions, and approached her. She burst into tears.

She's Somali and hasn't seen her mother in ten years and is now afraid that she will never see her again. She and her husband have just moved here from NY. They are scared to go out of the house, especially after dark. They have no friends in town. Her spoken English is flawless, but she can't read or write in English. She hugged me so hard and told me how much it meant to her that I had said something. Both of us were crying.

I promised her that I would help her however I could, with running errands, tutoring written language, helping her prepare for the GED and going with her whenever she didn't feel comfortable alone. She was so happy. We exchanged numbers and she will call me or I will call her tomorrow.

Take away, I think, is not to be afraid to reach out. Because there are some dickweeds, but there are also people who need advocates and friends and an assistant. Also, she is wicked funny and I think I love her already.
posted by The Noble Goofy Elk at 2:55 PM on February 2 [246 favorites]


We have elected a monster.
posted by eggkeeper at 2:59 PM on February 2 [15 favorites]


Best I've worked out is Google Voice for phone calls, beyond that, I don't know.

Consider Asterisk. A $35 raspberry pi 3 + microsd card + http://nerdvittles.com/?p=17094 is one way to get it started.

Activist tools that can be slapped on a microsd + a pi strikes me as a low-friction way to distribute the revolution as software.


Be careful and constantly audit your environment if you do this. Asterisk distros are extremely popular hacking targets. They tend to have lots of holes. And be aware that if you aren't doing anything special your RTSP audio traffic is probably being sent in the clear.
posted by snuffleupagus at 3:00 PM on February 2 [12 favorites]


Propecia's side effects may include insomnia and brain fog. That would explain his late-night Twitter addiction and his evident moments of confusion.

Oh god, it would be everything I expect out of this goddamned Presidency if he's making himself even more incompetent to protect his precious fucking hair.
posted by corb at 3:00 PM on February 2 [111 favorites]


[Y'all, let's skip the ironic Jewish Conspiracy stuff regardless of how obviously satirical it's intended to be.]
posted by cortex at 3:02 PM on February 2 [13 favorites]


As the class was ending, I approached an older Muslim couple and said how sorry I was that this was happening. I told them I hope they feel supported by the community. Blank stares. Then the man said, basically, they supported Trump but thanks for trying to be 'friendly', ya loser

I think the reasonable response there was "even if you were complicit in causing this pain I'm still sorry it's happening" but I'm in a salty mood.
posted by phearlez at 3:04 PM on February 2 [11 favorites]


Activist tools that can be slapped on a microsd + a pi strikes me as a low-friction way to distribute the revolution as software.

I would love to see the ACLU use some of the recent massive donations to build out their cop recording app's infrastructure and include an API for rPi- and smartphone-based protest-centered cop monitoring. The thought of lots of cameras pointed at cops during protests all streaming to the ACLU is pretty compelling, especially if they bundle all the feeds from the same protest and sync timecode so you can have reliable Pi-based cams up the whole time and also reference smartphone feeds happening at the same timestamps as they come up during moments of interest. Turn surveillance back on the fuckers.
posted by jason_steakums at 3:05 PM on February 2 [13 favorites]


I have tried to google this plus searched here. Did my brain make up the fact that donnie wasn't in the situation room when the SEAL raid went down? That he was asleep at the time?
posted by futz at 3:06 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


Isn't Propecia the one where, if a pregnant woman so much as touches a pill, her fetus can be born without genitalia?
posted by CheesesOfBrazil at 3:07 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


Futz, saw this on twitter a little while ago. (Is this a reliable site.... I am not even sure whats what anymore)

Trump didn't bother to show up in Situation Room for botched Yemen raid
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 3:10 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


Still no executive order on voter fraud, as Trump moves on

"A full week has passed since President Donald Trump said he would sign an executive order opening a Justice Department investigation into his unsubstantiated claim that millions of people voted illegally in November.

The Oval Office signing was abruptly canceled last Thursday and never rescheduled. The White House hasn't talked about it since. The President has moved on to other subjects.

A senior administration official told CNN that the voter fraud investigation is no longer a top priority for the President, insisting it's not off the table, but not expected anytime soon."
posted by chris24 at 3:10 PM on February 2 [12 favorites]


Propicia causes genital birth defects in males; it's not approved for use by women, but current medical wisdom is that exposure by touching pills or sex with someone taking it should not cause problems.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 3:12 PM on February 2


Isn't Propecia the one where, if a pregnant woman so much as touches a pill, her fetus can be born without genitalia?

Yep it's in the highest class possible for teratogenic effects. But Trump has the best insomnia and bigliest brain fog ever, you know. As well as perfect hair.
posted by Bringer Tom at 3:12 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


Evangelical leader Jerry Falwell Jr. to lead education task force for Trump

Falwell has been particularly interested in curbing rules that require schools to investigate campus sexual assault under Title IX, a federal law that bans discrimination in education.

..."Title IX is one of the areas he mentioned where there is over-regulation," Stevens added, adding that Falwell feels issues regarding investigating campus sexual assault are "better left to police, attorneys, judges."


ARRRRRRRRG!
posted by futz at 3:12 PM on February 2 [36 favorites]


Was he in the situation room during this operation with his twitter client open? What other provesses were running while this operation was approved and in execution?
posted by cmfletcher at 3:14 PM on February 2


Trump didn't bother to show up in Situation Room for botched Yemen raid

Not Sure if Berkeley or Situation Room
posted by snuffleupagus at 3:14 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


Spicer said he was in the Residence, not the Situation Room today.
posted by chris24 at 3:15 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


Right now I would like to be hearing the words 'botched raid' in the press as frequently as we would be hearing it if Hillary Clinton were President.
posted by Sing Or Swim at 3:15 PM on February 2 [45 favorites]


NPR is the worst, part MCMLXXXIV (via)
CORNISH: And people have also talked about Stephen Bannon's background with the Navy. Most of his adult life has been in the media. How is that experience relevant?

GORKA: I think you need to look at what Stephen Bannon did in terms of building a media giant that has crushed its left-wing rivals in terms of a breitbart.com. I think one has to look at what he did for the Trump campaign to understand that this is a man who eats and breathes and sleeps strategy. Whether or not he wore a uniform, that's a credit to his service to the nation. But he is really - and I can tell you as somebody who's worked with him for years - a truly strategic mind.

CORNISH: So of value to national security concerns.

GORKA: Without question.

CORNISH: Well, Sebastian Gorka, thank you so much for speaking with us
And thank you, Audie, for providing a platform for someone to say that destroying "left-wing rivals" prepares them for one of the top foreign policy positions atop the world's largest military.
posted by tonycpsu at 3:16 PM on February 2 [95 favorites]


but way to piss off one of your few remaining allies who isn't pissed off, President Bannon.

That's it! If the media starts referring to Bannon as president Bannon, Trump will drop him in a heartbeat.
posted by notreally at 3:16 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


futz, no, he wasn't there. But my military friends, most of whom are Dems and all of whom think the reporting on the Yemeni raid is absurd (as in, Trump's team did fine) say that it isn't normal to be in the situation room for the whole raid. I am not a military expert at all, but I defer to them, since they all have served under at least three presidents.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 3:16 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


I heard that Gorka interview and I was literally dumbstruck.

And right afterwards the station ran some over the top suck-up-to-the-listeners spot about how much they appreciate and need us, like the inverse of the pledge drive material, because they know they're about to get defunded despite all their toadying.

Pathetic.
posted by snuffleupagus at 3:18 PM on February 2 [10 favorites]


Notional Prevarication Radio
posted by entropicamericana at 3:19 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


Isn't Propecia the one where, if a pregnant woman so much as touches a pill, her fetus can be born without genitalia?

Yes. It's a highly potent 5α-reductase inhibitor, which reduces the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone, the hormone which in some men causes hair loss. Very damaging during fetal development, where DHT is critical for development of male genitals, but its effects are more subtle in adults. Why exactly it might cause cognitive problems and insomnia in some men isn't clear to me from the basic neurobiology alone, but it's certainly possible.
posted by biogeo at 3:22 PM on February 2 [10 favorites]




Re the Australia call, let's also not forget, that Trump fired all of the ambassadors appointed by Obama, so the US now has no ambassador to Australia, or to any other country for that matter. (Traditionally, a new president will keep the previous ambassadors at their posts until their successors are confirmed.) You know, the sort of person who might advise the president on US-Australia relations prior to the call, or even smooth things over afterwards if the call goes badly.

Only for a very few countries has Trump even nominated an ambassador. The Washington Post is tracking the status of nearly 700 appointed executive branch positions which require Senate confirmation, including nearly 200 ambassadorships.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 3:24 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


Very damaging during fetal development, where DHT is critical for development of male genitals,

Lord help me I read that as DJT.
posted by ian1977 at 3:25 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


Speaking of economic action and political protest:

Comcast employees walk out to protest Trump’s immigration order
Hundreds of Comcast employees walked off the job and took to the streets Thursday afternoon in protest of President Donald Trump’s executive order banning refugees and immigration from seven majority Muslim countries.

By 2:30 p.m., the crowd at City Hall had swelled to more than 1,000 people holding signs, chanting and listening to short stories told by their immigrant coworkers. The rally lasted just an hour, but garnered support from even some top employees at the corporation.

Comcast employees in at least four cities self-organized the protest through an internal Slack channel that Comcast organizers told Billy Penn grew from about 100 people to 1,200 people this week. Comcast is one of the largest employers in the Philadelphia region and stands as the most influential corporation in the city.
posted by chris24 at 3:26 PM on February 2 [74 favorites]


Re the Australia call, let's also not forget, that Trump fired all of the ambassadors appointed by Obama, so the US now has no ambassador to Australia, or to any other country for that matter.

It's fine, Commandant Spicer says that Trump "has tremendous respect for Prime Minister Trumble." [real].

The Australian PM's name is Malcolm Turnbull.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 3:26 PM on February 2 [38 favorites]


Police threatened to arrest a filmmaker at JFK #MuslimBan protest for making this short film about @nobanjfk lawyers at the NYC airport on Sunday.
posted by progosk at 3:29 PM on February 2 [9 favorites]


In the next installment of Tradewars 2017: Iran To Ditch Dollar
posted by snuffleupagus at 3:29 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]




There's a lot of ways to mess with ground surveillance radar in this age of hobbyist SDR, but seismic sensors are a lot harder.

Potato gun.
posted by ryoshu at 3:31 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


It's fine, Commandant Spicer says that Trump "has tremendous respect for Prime Minister Trumble." [real].

Oh thank god, it wasn't just me!
posted by FelliniBlank at 3:31 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


Hasn't it already been demonstrated that, with physical access, you can take a car with a shitty CANBUS implementation and turn it into an RPV/seismic decoy?
posted by snuffleupagus at 3:33 PM on February 2


Police threatened to arrest a filmmaker at JFK #MuslimBan protest for making this short film about @nobanjfk lawyers at NYC JFK airport on Sunday.

Be a real shame if everyone who could shared that on their social media feeds, then, huh? I mean it would be a real shame if the link "https://vimeo.com/201813180" were to get around.
posted by spitbull at 3:34 PM on February 2 [12 favorites]


"You're listening to NPR. I'm Audie Cornish. The monster that promises to eat us and our children continues to creep ever closer. Today I'll be speaking with one of its lesser feeding-pods.

Audie: Toothy pod, many have expressed concern about some comments made earlier regarding your overall vision for America.
Pod: I will eat you and your children. I will taste their sufferings and viscera. My only purpose is to destroy you and everything you love.
Audie: So you believe these fears to be unfounded hysterics?
Pod: I am unburdened by mercy or sapience. Within me your spirit will scream eternal.
Audie: Great to have you on, pod. Thanks so much for joining us today. Up next, we'll be hearing from the monster's pyloric sphincter about criticisms that its digestive enzymes might sting. Please send us money."
posted by Rust Moranis at 3:36 PM on February 2 [179 favorites]


Nordstrom Said to Wind Down Relationship With Ivanka Trump Brand

Not earth shattering news but satisfying.
posted by futz at 3:36 PM on February 2 [63 favorites]


Thank you, Fish, for your nuanced and calming response.
posted by greermahoney at 3:36 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


Wordshore: @vforrestal i'm pretty sure this is what war with australia would look like so drumpf better back the fuck up

I thought that link was going to go to this. [YT]
posted by slipthought at 3:39 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


The monster that promises to eat us and our children continues to creep ever closer.
A horrible thing is coming this way
Creeping closer day by day--
Its eyes are scary,
Its tail is hairy...
I tell you, Judge, we all better pray!
posted by snuffleupagus at 3:41 PM on February 2


HuffPo has summarized the Uber situation with the headline: TRUMP LOSES UBER ALLIES
posted by zachlipton at 3:45 PM on February 2 [196 favorites]


There will be the physical wall and then parts of the wall that you can see through...

The Emperor's New Clothes
Many years ago there was an Emperor so exceedingly fond of new clothes that he spent all his money on being well dressed. He cared nothing about reviewing his soldiers, going to the theatre, or going for a ride in his carriage, except to show off his new clothes. He had a coat for every hour of the day, and instead of saying, as one might, about any other ruler, "The King's in council," here they always said. "The Emperor's in his dressing room."
posted by fraula at 3:46 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


HuffPo has summarized the Uber situation with the headline: TRUMP LOSES UBER ALLIES

somebody buy that editor a beer. buy them all the beers.
posted by entropicamericana at 3:47 PM on February 2 [101 favorites]


so in all this i had a discussion today (with stepdad who's a VC and currently withdrawing all investments from the us), it went something like this:
Me: "sooo trump and pootay eh.. see the fsb sanction lifting?"
Him: "Yes, its bothersome, if they now are in bed with one another, lets not forget they arent dumb people, but very smart but only at a small subset."
Me: "are you serious?"
Him: "we know they're simpletons, what if their deal is by their design with input from big daddy baby"
Me: "are you seriously suggesting they're both more or less *repeats the plan posted upthread*"
Him: "Yes. but what they're both forgetting is China, their navy, airforce, space ventures. and for that matter, how many soldiers can you fit in a barge?"

i'm still feeling the chills.
posted by xcasex at 3:53 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]




"You're listening to NPR. I'm Audie Cornish. The monster that promises to eat us and our children continues to creep ever closer. Today I'll be speaking with one of its lesser feeding-pods.

I know some call Welcome to Night Vale "NPR from the Twilight Zone" but this is too uncanny.

All hail the Glow Cloud.
posted by delfin at 3:56 PM on February 2 [17 favorites]


so in all this i had a discussion today (with stepdad who's a VC

I'm guessing VC there means Venture Capitalist but at first I read it as Viet Cong which didn't aid in understanding the comment.
posted by Justinian at 3:57 PM on February 2 [14 favorites]


That DOJ approval memo is weird to me. Is it really standard to address memos to "My dear Mr. President" ??

Also good luck washing off the stench of that approval, Curtis Gannon, you fucker.
posted by prefpara at 4:00 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


@brianschatz (Senator from HI):
The last three days have been the BUSIEST IN CAPITOL SWITCHBOARD HISTORY. By almost double. This is working. Keep it up and please RT.


In the last thread, there were lamentations that there were no cavalry coming to save us.

Wrong. We're the fucking cavalry.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 4:03 PM on February 2 [104 favorites]


DOJ cleared the Muslim ban before it was issued.

That link doesn't say who cleared it. Sally Yates noted that it had been reviewed by OLC, but that was merely about wording, not legality.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 4:04 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


Russian critic Vladimir Kara-Murza suffers sudden organ failure

The activist nearly died when he suffered sudden kidney failure in 2015.

"He is already on life support and in a medicated coma. It's the same clinical picture [as last time]," Evgenia Kara-Murza told the BBC.

"The reason is unclear like last time. He's been active and healthy [recently].

BUT

No cause was ever established for Mr Kara-Murza's last illness, but tests confirmed that he had ingested a poisonous substance.

The explanations for the 2015 illness are sketchy but who knows. Maybe his antidepressant is reacting with his hay fever meds and suddenly shutting down all his organs. ;)
posted by futz at 4:09 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


That link doesn't say who cleared it.

It's referring to the same Office of Legal Counsel approval you linked.
posted by chrominance at 4:09 PM on February 2


Trump didn't bother to show up in Situation Room for botched Yemen raid

To be fair it was during his naptime. Or was it recess? Or reading aloud time?
posted by srboisvert at 4:10 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


We have elected a monster.

Indeed. Trump's absurd wall will cause havoc on wild life as well. Of course he doesn't give a shit and would probably ridicule the very idea that wild life is a concern. Serial killers often start with animals...

Isn't Propecia the one where, if a pregnant woman so much as touches a pill, her fetus can be born without genitalia?

Animal testing (unintentional segue) shows it can be. Some men take a 5mg finasteride pill (commercial name Proscar) and cut it up into 4 pieces as Propecia is only 1mg of finasteride so you can get it cheaper if you cut up the pills yourself. It's exposure to the cut up pills that I often hear said is dangerous as it can be absorbed through the skin (uncut pills are coated, making skin absorption difficult) as well as it's presence in semen.

With that said, finasteride is one of the go to treatments for BPH (Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia) to reduce the size of the prostate and potentially reduce the chance of developing prostate cancer. That's what I take it for having been diagnosed with it (via a scope that they tell you is mildly discomforting which I take it in surgeon speak means "just short of extreme pain") at a younger than usual age (under 50). Studies I've seen mostly say it's presence in semen is not dangerous. From what I can gather it's a pretty common drug for BPH and caution is advised if exposed to uncoated particles. But as is common in health, contradictory reports abound.

If I remember correctly, it's use to decrease hair loss was discovered as a side effect of it's treatment for BPH.

Given the state of Trump's mane when I heard he was taking finasteride I assumed it was for BPH as that is the most common issue men have with their prostate in the later stages of life. If it is for his hair, the makers of Propecia might be rather upset.
posted by juiceCake at 4:10 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


The Australian PM's name is Malcolm Turnbull.

It was. He has now changed it. To Tremble.
posted by srboisvert at 4:12 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]




Dammit anastasiav. I'm able to hold it together through your comment until I get to "Names written with big letters in shaky crayon" and then I completely lose it. Thank you so much for sharing that.
posted by zachlipton at 4:14 PM on February 2 [9 favorites]


In the last thread, there were lamentations that there were no cavalry coming to save us.

Wrong. We're the fucking cavalry.


That is one thing I am hoping that will come out of the protests and general resistance: that more people will get involved and end up as elected officials themselves or in the offices of them. Not necessarily for the next presidential elections or the midterms, but even things at state and county levels.
posted by any portmanteau in a storm at 4:14 PM on February 2 [12 favorites]


CIA' new deputy director ran a black site for torture.
The CIA official’s name whose torture activities the Post described is Gina Haspel. Today, as BuzzFeed’s Jason Leopold noted, CIA Director Mike Pompeo announced that Haspel was selected by Trump to be Deputy Director of the CIA.
posted by adamvasco at 4:21 PM on February 2 [12 favorites]


In the next installment of Tradewars 2017: Iran To Ditch Dollar

This has been an ambition of some oil producing countries since the Bush years, and they've never followed through or even been as direct in their language as this before. If they move to the Euro (the only realistic alternative), war is almost inevitable, and maybe so is the end of American hegemony.
Saddam Hussein also threatened to move to the €, but the big difference is that back then several countries supported the US, and Russia didn't intervene.

Someone mentioned earlier that the US has the world's largest military by far, and that is true. It is also true that since Vietnam, the US has proved itself incapable of figuring out what to do after bombing out nations. (Some of you wrote earlier that the war in Iraq had ended and implied civilian governance had been established. What? Someone tell that to the Iraqis — and ISIS). Nobody wants to be bombed out by the US, but some cynical governments are saying to themselves that if they can just hold out, they will emerge stronger. Assad is proving to be a great inspiration here, with the help of Putin.

An aspect of Brexit that hasn't been much discussed in these threads is that it has left more power to the France-Germany axis within the EU. Who didn't want to support the second Iraq war? Remember those Freedom Fries? With the UK out of the EU, there will be absolutely no support for an Iran war in Europe. If a significant part of global trade moves from Dollars to Euros, the Euro will be saved from it's current crisis which is costing the Germans dearly. But then of course that advantage will come with an unpredictable war.

Will Putin support Trump? HAHAHAHA. He has stuff to do, like reestablishing the Warsaw Pact, reconquering all the border states with no resistance from a confused NATO, and establishing/expanding naval bases in the Gulf and the Mediterranean.

OK, I should get some sleep now..
posted by mumimor at 4:21 PM on February 2 [19 favorites]


I think we're starting to see some cracks in the usual corporate-Republican-Trump alliance. I think there's some possibility that with constant struggle, we can keep this presidency to the merely very bad (and maybe even to one term) instead of the apocalyptic. If we can get someone decent in power in 2020 (or even, god help us, 2024) we can still fix a lot of this stuff, especially because unless something very strange happens, a huge percent of the country will be disgusted by Trump and everything pertaining to his administration by then.

We need to keep fighting on every issue we can, especially boycotts. Make it so that any mass market company known to ally with Trump has trouble.

And here's another thought - the more active and visible people are, the harder it will be for President Bannon to fake up a crisis and cancel elections or declare martial law. The longer a run of turbulence we have before he can gin up a "terrorist" attack or something, the worse they'll look when it happens because they'll own it and they'll be unpopular. And that means they'll hesitate to do worse - I was having a long conversation with someone the other day about all the complexities of trying to declare martial law or cancel elections in a country this size with this many jurisdictions, and it's even more complicated than I thought, and doing it steps on more rich people's toes. If we make it likely that grossly undemocratic measures will render the country ungovernable, it will be hard to take those measures.

We have to keep fighting, all of us, every day.
posted by Frowner at 4:22 PM on February 2 [49 favorites]


To be fair it was during his naptime. Or was it recess? Or reading aloud time?

Reading aloud time is just a staffer screaming out Trump's old tweets and FOX chyrons for 20 straight minutes.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 4:23 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


Apropos of, well, everything, in my daily redditing I stumbled across a thread about the definition of historical fascism. Suffice it to say, it's kind of chilling reading in the context of today's political landscape. I was wondering if I should make a front page post, but perhaps it'll suffice to post a link here (no 500 word quote, I promise!). Is Trump a fascist? The world's most foremost expert on fascism, Robert Paxton, weighed in about a year ago. Spoiler: he finds more similarities than differences. (Note that those links don't use the word lightly, as a pejorative; they attempt to be reasonably rigorous.)
posted by simen at 4:23 PM on February 2 [9 favorites]




Serial killers often start with animals...

There was a WashPo article during the election which cited interviews with people from the neighborhood Trump grew up in saying that he had been cruel to animals.
posted by Waiting for Pierce Inverarity at 4:25 PM on February 2 [13 favorites]


so in all this i had a discussion today (with stepdad who's a VC and currently withdrawing all investments from the us)

Yes, well, no offense to your stepdad, but I know some VCs and they are uniformly of the opinion that they know a LOT about EVERYTHING, and this perception is shall we say not always well-founded. They almost always did one thing really well and got really lucky, and just extrapolated from there. Like the capitalism version of engineer's disease.

Don't take people's opinions more seriously because they make big-money decisions based on those opinions. More money does not equal more brains.
posted by Joey Buttafoucault at 4:25 PM on February 2 [17 favorites]


Can we impeach, and then make a constitutional amendment that does two things? :

1. Reverses all of Lord Dampnut's executive orders
2. Is a written apology to the rest of the world and a promise to always do better in the future.
posted by ian1977 at 4:26 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


The Soros paying people to protest thing is EXACTLY what the right has been yammering about for years here in Brazil. "You know those protesters only show up because they get free sandwiches, right?"

the similarity of stupid worldwide astounds me.
posted by Glibpaxman at 4:28 PM on February 2 [15 favorites]


So, the description of the White House petition site that comes up with the Google search result is interesting.
posted by mudpuppie at 4:29 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


It drives me crazy because how much of a bubble do you have to be in to not know a single person who has protested in the past week?

The gay, not Trump loving, man who cut my hair was surprised to hear I went to a protest. Understandable, except that he hadn't heard anything about protests at all.
posted by bongo_x at 4:30 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


Turnbull is a spineless numpty and I'm glad he got rolled.

I hate Turnbull as much as the next Greens voting, social liberalism supporting center-leftie but JFC this cannot be used to allow Cory Bernardi and his hateful band of shitheels anywhere near executive power.

Centrist liberals need to be reminded that they have spines. Threaten to derail a confidence motion and cause elections if the far right tries to install its fuckwad in chief as PM.
posted by Talez at 4:30 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


The mainstream media is reporting right now on Trump's hair loss drugs, for god's sake (and I'm a liberal, but come on, that's so irrelevant)

I guess people need to know that shit doesn't work.
posted by bongo_x at 4:30 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


Soros paying people to protest

earlier today I read a comment elsewhere asking how all those protesters can manage it, since most people have to work. i replied "Well, hell! I just cash my check from Soros and I'm ready to rock."

i checked back after a bit and my comment was deleted.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 4:32 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


I was going to chip in with the practical jokes/what the fuck is going on in the last thread, but then remembered I'm from the UK.
posted by MattWPBS at 4:36 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


How much are protestors supposedly being paid? If it's merely "sandwiches," I'm not sure the critics are up on their economic theory.
posted by rhizome at 4:37 PM on February 2 [13 favorites]


The gay, not Trump loving, man who cut my hair was surprised to hear I went to a protest. Understandable, except that he hadn't heard anything about protests at all.

That is blowing my mind, man.

If there's one thing I've learned upon this here series of tubes, it's that hateful, shitty people genuinely can't fathom other people not also being hateful and shitty. Any time non-hateful non-shittiness is displayed, they must immediately come up with an ulterior motive to explain it. You were paid to do it, you're trying to impress a girl/guy, you're just posing in order to look cool, etc... I'm a lifelong bleeding heart and the shit I've been accused of secretly doing would be hilarious if it wasn't so terrifying that there are people out there who genuinely think that no one could ever really want to be kind and helpful for their own sakes.
posted by soren_lorensen at 4:39 PM on February 2 [33 favorites]


DOJ cleared the Muslim ban before it was issued.

This looks fabricated after the fact. If not, it's not a real review, there's zero actual legal analysis. Compare to the length and detail of a normal OLC opinion.
posted by T.D. Strange at 4:39 PM on February 2 [13 favorites]


It's barely been a week but I'm already exhausted. And looking back fondly on the Bush years...

Who wants to pitch in to ship a few cases of Rold Golds to the White House?
posted by downtohisturtles at 4:40 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


Yeah man, I'm not saying that OLC memo IS a rubber stamp, but it's made of rubber, it's in the shape of a stamp, it's got fresh ink on it, and it's a rubber stamp.
posted by prefpara at 4:43 PM on February 2 [24 favorites]


earlier today I read a comment elsewhere asking how all those protesters can manage it, since most people have to work.
Much like the Dowager Countess, apparently these people have never heard of a weekend.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 4:43 PM on February 2 [14 favorites]


That's it! If the media starts referring to Bannon as president Bannon, Trump will drop him in a heartbeat.

Briebart has noticed it and called it a "dirty trick" - the trick being 'build someone up and then tear them down'.
posted by rough ashlar at 4:45 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


Also the OLC memo looks different from the other memos on the DOJ website - as in, the formatting is different. Almost like... it didn't go through the regular process.

Should I add that it doesn't actually contain any legal analysis? It literally just summarizes the order and then says it's approved.

I am clearly overly focused on this. It's just that I'm offended as a lawyer.
posted by prefpara at 4:46 PM on February 2 [33 favorites]



Briebart has noticed it and called it a "dirty trick" - the trick being 'build someone up and then tear them down'.


If they noticed enough to comment about it it must be getting some traction or they can see it gaining traction and becoming a problem.
posted by Jalliah at 4:46 PM on February 2 [15 favorites]


Meanwhile in Canada, using the disgusting word "cuck" seems to be enough to get you kicked off the campaign of a Trump-ish candidate. We're waiting to see if Toronto mayor John Tory, who refused to turf Kouvalis when this first came to notice, has any goddamn sense.
posted by maudlin at 4:49 PM on February 2 [9 favorites]


Is there anything more horrifying than CNN? Yes: Future CNN (Twitter; parody)
posted by FelliniBlank at 4:51 PM on February 2 [10 favorites]


Briebart has noticed it and called it a "dirty trick" - the trick being 'build someone up and then tear them down'.

Not and *then* tear them down. Simultaneous to tearing them down.

Also, note that they use "them" instead of "him." Good for them to adopt gender neutral pronouns.

I troll, but I'm trolling Breitbart.
posted by Joey Michaels at 4:52 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


Drew Magary at Deadspin has posted his Football Jamboroo for the Super Bowl, and the opening floored me this morning.
I felt like it took every last ounce of creative energy and physical strength just to hold shit together, and even then I felt like I was doing a lousy job of it. It’s a parent’s job to keep calm and lead during trying times—to provide normalcy instead of seeking it out—and I felt like I failed.
It's a pretty stark moment he's describing, and he provides no excuses. Sure, he goes back to dick jokes and talking about football right after, but the opening had me fighting back tears on the train this morning.
posted by Ghidorah at 4:52 PM on February 2 [11 favorites]


The Soros paying people to protest thing is EXACTLY what the right has been yammering about for years here in Brazil. "You know those protesters only show up because they get free sandwiches, right?"

the similarity of stupid worldwide astounds me.

Think of it more as 'that did well in the test market'.
posted by jaduncan at 4:52 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


So, I hate to post rumors, but.... an immigration attorney named Laurel Scott has made several public Facebook posts warning people in Austin to be on the lookout for ICE raids this weekend. Austin Chronicle also is reporting on this.
posted by anastasiav at 4:58 PM on February 2 [9 favorites]


> Sure, he goes back to dick jokes and talking about football right after, but the opening had me fighting back tears on the train this morning.

It hit me like that, too, especially the ending of that section:

And I won’t be able to escape the fact that I cried outside that church not because my kid let me down, but because the rest of the world did.

I also share his ambivalence about The Big Game this Sunday. I don't watch the NFL any more, but a friend of mine always throws a party and I always go in the name of it being a pleasant social gathering. This year?

The last thing I need is the NFL trotting out a showy display of allegiance both to the flag and to its own, relentless tunnel vision. The whole thing feels tone deaf at best and passive-aggressive at worst … a tacit demand that you sit there and adore all this pageantry, or else.

Yup. On top of all the other crappy stuff going on with the NFL, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump is trying to browbeat the league into letting him make some sort of Special Appearance.
posted by The Card Cheat at 5:00 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


On top of all the other crappy stuff going on with the NFL, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump is trying to browbeat the league into letting him make some sort of Special Appearance.

I'm kind of amazed that no sitting President has ever attended a Super Bowl.
posted by Etrigan at 5:06 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


I wouldn't be surprised if Trump is trying to browbeat the league into letting him make some sort of Special Appearance.

Houston (Reuters) - Chaos broke out today before the start of the Superbowl when alleged President Trump made an appearance before the game. As he walked onto the field, a third of the stadium started chanting "Make American Great Again" and the other two thirds revolted . The stadium erupted into a massive brawl and the game had to be postponed.

"Who could have predicted this?" said Roger Goodell. [fake]
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:10 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


The Card Cheat, it really resonated with me mostly because I've found myself stupidly close to tears at utterly random moments (in the classroom, or making dinner, or just having drinks with friends). And yeah, part of it is definitely a feeling that the world broke its promise. I was raised to believe in the general goodness of things, of a desire towards progress and equality, and well, from Nov. 8th on, its become increasingly clear that I, and the people who raised me to see the world in the way I did, were horribly, horribly wrong.

The protests, both planned (the women's march) and unplanned (the airports) have been just about the only positive I'm seeing, and even that has me near tears on a moment to moment basis. I have to be careful when talking to my students because the last thing they need is their teacher bursting into incoherent tears.
posted by Ghidorah at 5:10 PM on February 2 [31 favorites]


Whoa! White House nixed [State Department's draft of a]Holocaust statement naming Jews
The State Department drafted its own statement last month marking International Holocaust Remembrance Day that explicitly included a mention of Jewish victims, according to people familiar with the matter, but President Donald Trump’s White House blocked its release. ... A White House official said there was no ill intent, adding that the White House didn’t see State’s draft until after issuing its own statement and told State not to release its version because it came after 7 p.m. And the official said the White House didn't ask the State Department to craft their own statement. Officials at the State Department, however, believed the statement was being drafted for the White House to use, people familiar with the matter said. ...
posted by maudlin at 5:10 PM on February 2 [50 favorites]


GOP’s foreign policy elders worry Trump is causing permanent damage

Really not sure how we're going to go on like this with legislators doing frantic damage control behind the sitting President's back for 4 years. It's Day 13.
posted by T.D. Strange at 5:13 PM on February 2 [32 favorites]




Re: similarity of worldwide stupid.

Myths to fight: protestors are being paid by the Jews (hereafter referred to as "Soros") and immigrants can just come over here and start claiming benefits before stealing our jobs (hereafter referred to as "jerbs").

As far as I can tell, both of those are sincerely believed by the ordinary footsoldier (as opposed to the paid propagandist at breitbart, fox, or the daily mail). I know from bitter personal experience that neither are remotely true. My family are in another country while we sort out immigration paperwork, and Soros doesn't even return my calls.

Can we get immigrants and protestors on TV? Nobody believes statistics and data, but anecdotal evidence and emotive stories are something that the right leans heavily on which can very easily work against them.

My instinct is that most people aren't mean by default. They don't want to hurt immigrants because they want to harm anyone different from themselves. They have been convinced that immigrants started it, that they have already been harmed and this is just the (overdue) strike back. It's a compelling lie, and we have to find a way to make the truth more compelling still.
posted by Wrinkled Stumpskin at 5:16 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


> GOP’s foreign policy elders worry Trump is causing permanent damage:

Fear is spreading among the Republican Party’s foreign policy heavyweights that President Donald Trump’s inexperience and quick temper could permanently damage long-standing alliances and undercut America’s standing in the world.


Fear is "spreading" that he "could" do these things? For a bunch of foreign policy "heavyweights" they're not much for prognostication, I guess.
posted by The Card Cheat at 5:17 PM on February 2 [20 favorites]


"It's Day 13."

It's Day 13. It's Day 13. It's Day 13! DAY 13!!

FOUR YEARS?!

It's Day 13.
posted by absalom at 5:18 PM on February 2 [60 favorites]


Fillon's wife is being investigated for financial misdeeds and Wikileaks is dumping material on him. I can't even with the links.
posted by snuffleupagus at 5:18 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


Oh angrycat. OK so yeah, I'm emotionally raw from all of this "oh, oops, democracy is over," but your comment gave me a needed reminder of kindness and the intimate bonds we can form. You are showing someone you love great kindness and gentleness in their last days. We don't know one another but your care for your cat speaks very, very highly of you. Not to mention the known fact that this cat rocks. As do all cats, of course, as it is the eternal law. So it is written.

Please give your kitty a special scratch in her favorite spot from an internet stranger.
posted by pipoquinha at 5:20 PM on February 2 [15 favorites]


This seems a lot like what corb has been discussing around presenting arguments in terms Republicans will respond to, with some research attached: The Simple Psychological Trick to Political Persuasion: "Conservatives are more likely to support issues like immigration and Obamacare if the message is “morally reframed” to suit their values."
posted by zachlipton at 5:22 PM on February 2 [14 favorites]


There’s Never Been Such A Difficult Confirmation For An Education Secretary
At the committee vote on DeVos’s nomination, after Republicans had presented opposition to DeVos as mostly the work of teachers’ unions, Franken said that a broad swath of the public was opposed to her. He told a story of one night when he had eaten at a restaurant and gone into the kitchen to greet the staff. One of the manual laborers there told him immediately to vote against DeVos. Franken said, “He wasn’t a teacher.”
posted by the man of twists and turns at 5:22 PM on February 2 [35 favorites]


4:44 into the new thread, and we're at 44 "fucks" (or variations, thereof). Beautiful symmetry guys!
posted by zakur at 5:23 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


FOUR YEARS?! It's Day 13.

Look at it this way, it's already 1\% over.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 5:25 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


My instinct is that most people aren't mean by default.

I used to think this. Then I started using Facebook.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:25 PM on February 2 [20 favorites]




For me it's the moments where I manage to forget....everything that's going on...and I get happy or hopeful (I recently started the best job I've ever had! It's great!), but then I catch a headline out of the corner of my eye or overhear a conversation and it all comes crashing down on me. As an added bonus I feel guilty about having experienced that momentary lapse in my state of fear and anxiety.
posted by The Card Cheat at 5:26 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


My instinct is that most people aren't mean by default.

I used to think this. Then I started using Facebook.


I used to think this until I started playing Splix
posted by Flashman at 5:28 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


anyway on the neverending list of things i never thought i would have to google, today's entry is "who has enough nukes to stop us that isn't russia"
posted by poffin boffin at 5:28 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


From that Atlantic article :

It’s a message high on patriotism and loyalty—two “moral frames” that research shows are more important to conservatives than are traditionally more liberal values, like reciprocity and caring.

Is...is that shade? That feels like shade.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:28 PM on February 2 [19 favorites]


A couple dozen people protesting at Uber Headquarters in San Francisco tonight. It seems pretty celebratory in light of Travis's announcement today.
posted by zachlipton at 5:32 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


Trump Executive Order Generator

I considered "Does this tea taste funny to you?" but it was in low taste, even for me.
posted by delfin at 5:33 PM on February 2


Trump Executive Order Generator

My Trump EO
posted by dis_integration at 5:33 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


Is...is that shade? That feels like shade.

You see it as shade. Maybe other people would see it as praise for 'having the balls to protect America'* when compared to a bleeding-heart liberal or some such type you can't even trust to back their own country. That's moral frames for you.

*dubious phrasing intentional.
posted by jaduncan at 5:34 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


Is...is that shade? That feels like shade.

It's a Shabbolith.
posted by snuffleupagus at 5:34 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


This is my first attempt at this so I may be doing it wrong but.....

Metafilter: That feels like shade.
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 5:35 PM on February 2 [23 favorites]


Oh hey the Trump EO generator has escaped into the wild somebody alert the SCP foundation
posted by tel3path at 5:40 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


If I hear a Trump supporter whine about paid protestors, I'm going to dare them to find a way to get paid to protest.
posted by AlexiaSky at 5:42 PM on February 2 [19 favorites]


All out of evens and in tears again.

I was trying to figure out why there are three police helicopters over Berkeley tonight. Which unfortunately I couldn't figure out because all of the news was inundated with what the Nazis had to say about last nights protests and Trump's threat to withhold federal funds from the University.

And OMG, what? I was in Berkeley last night and the alternative facts are in full overdrive here.
posted by susiswimmer at 5:43 PM on February 2


Looks like they've re-rescheduled the DeVos vote to tomorrow morning at 6:30 and it sounds like the GOP is confident they've got 51 votes.

Fuck.
posted by lydhre at 5:43 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


@brianefallon
When Obama did 2014 exec order on immigration, DOJ issued 33pg legal memo. For Trump Muslim ban, we get form letter
posted by chris24 at 5:44 PM on February 2 [12 favorites]


Do they think we won't know how our senators voted if they do it at 6:30am? Why the early morning?
posted by nat at 5:45 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


So I just made the mistake of reading the comments on a local news story about the Iranian baby who might not be able to come to the US for heart surgery now because of the ban and OMFG WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE WHERE DO THEY COME FROM AND CAN THEY GO BACK THERE IMMEDIATELY??? Reactions to the story:

1. This would obviously be sad if it was real, so it's clearly fake news, there now my world makes sense again phew.

2. Good, now maybe an American baby can get surgery instead.

3. This is divisive!

4. I'm sure if Trump knew about this, he'd fix it, he's a very empathic man (yes, really)

5. HOMELESS VETERANS HOMELESS VETERANS HOMELESS VETERANS HOMELESS VETERANS

6. Gawd don't they have hospitals in Iran or something? Can't someone else deal with this thing?

Me: Well, you're all monsters.
posted by soren_lorensen at 5:46 PM on February 2 [78 favorites]


Somebody please bolt @realdonaldtrump to that EO generator. That's how I want to read Dampnuts' Twitterings henceforth.
posted by snuffleupagus at 5:49 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


Do they think we won't know how our senators voted if they do it at 6:30am? Why the early morning?

It will have been voted on before people see the breakfast news, so there's no time for last minute constituent calls/pressure.
posted by jaduncan at 5:49 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


Upon reading the article (sorry) the vote at 6:30 is just for cloture.

The actual vote for confirmation will be Monday or Tuesday; cloture is scheduled early in the a.m. so enough time passes before the actual vote.
posted by nat at 5:52 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


You know you've got the hearts and minds of the entire nation behind you when you have to cheat.
posted by valkane at 5:52 PM on February 2 [12 favorites]


In good news!!!! the MA ACLU reports that Lufthansa is specifically allowing green card/visa holders from the 7 countries named in the ban to board flight to BOS until February 5th.

Due to a decision (Temporary Restraint Order) by the District Court in Massachusetts, the above mentioned Order is suspended on flights to BOS for the time being until February 5th, 2017. All passengers with valid travel documents are eligible to board on LH-flights to BOS.

Anyone know of any charities set up to buy people tickets if they need to come back to the US right fucking now?
posted by lydhre at 5:52 PM on February 2 [29 favorites]


Thanks, nat, I fully admit that the confirmation process is still an impenetrable fortress of nonsense for me.
posted by lydhre at 5:54 PM on February 2


You and me both. I assume that's a combination of "on purpose" and "accreted over time"
I would *totally* contribute to a charity to buy plane tickets for people who need to get home now.
posted by nat at 5:54 PM on February 2


Due to a decision (Temporary Restraint Order) by the District Court in Massachusetts, the above mentioned Order is suspended on flights to BOS for the time being until February 5th, 2017. All passengers with valid travel documents are eligible to board on LH-flights to BOS.,

Right, but I thought the relevant visas were also revoked, thus making visa holders no longer "passengers with valid travel documents."
posted by zachlipton at 5:55 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


International Business Times Donald Trump White House Dress Code Policy? Female Staffers Must ‘Dress Like Women,’ President Says
In a new report released Thursday, Trump said male staffers are to wear ties and women must “dress like women,” unnamed sources told Axios.

“If you’re going to be a public person for him, whether it’s a lawyer or representing him in meetings, then you need to have a certain look. That look — at least for any male — you have to be sharply dressed,” a source who was said to have worked with the president told the publication. “You should have a good physical demeanor, good stature, hair well groomed.”[...]

he former "Celebrity Apprentice" host also judges women’s appearances, anonymous Trump campaign source said, adding that even if they wear jeans they “need to look neat and orderly.” In most cases, Trump wants women who work for him "to dress like women," the source said.

Female campaign field office staffers felt compelled to wear dresses, mainly to impress Trump, according to the report.
I'm a little surprised they didn't feel compelled to wear bathing suits, heels, and sashes. And what the hell is "good stature"? Does that mean posture or does everybody have to be tall?
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 5:56 PM on February 2 [84 favorites]


Building a wall already, huh? The new White House fence has been approved by the National Capital Planning Commission (this has been in the works for several years).
posted by zachlipton at 5:57 PM on February 2




Donald Trump White House Dress Code Policy? Female Staffers Must ‘Dress Like Women,’ President Says

Note that there is apparently an explicit exception for Bannon, because A) Trump knows which side his bread's buttered on, and B) the top-level Nazis didn't look particularly Aryan either -- that's just for the chumps.

And the Twitter machine has already revved up (#DressLikeAWoman).
posted by Etrigan at 6:00 PM on February 2 [10 favorites]


Me(tafilter): Well, you're all monsters.
posted by Bringer Tom at 6:00 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


Cloture effectively is the vote.
posted by jaduncan at 6:01 PM on February 2


Music shuffle today reminded me about the existence of My Life is Good by Randy Newman, which is pretty obviously about Trump despite having been written in 1983. In which an egotistical male narrator goes on a rambling rant to his aggressive bully of a son's teacher about how great his life is, citing the quality of cocaine he is able to procure, his plan to have sex with another man's wife, and how Bruce Springsteen holds him in high regard.

Shit, I think Randy Newman is one of the screenwriters for Reality.
posted by books for weapons at 6:01 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


In which an Obama official rejects that they're responsible for the planning of the Yemen raid, says the Trump team didn't vet the proposal enough before approving it.
posted by zachlipton at 6:01 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


Unwilling to let Citrus Hitler go it alone, Mike Pence decided to make Black History Month all about... Abraham Lincoln. #PenceBlackHistory now trending on Twitter. (My favorite so far: "if it wasn't for the white man who asked for Rosa's seat, her historic moment couldn't have happened")
posted by TwoStride at 6:01 PM on February 2 [30 favorites]


Just to follow up on the protests here at Berkeley after my comment last night (and I won't speak for all Berkeley students, but I don't know if there are any other students on this site, or in this thread anyway).

Last night I was massively depressed. I knew we weren't going to win, and this felt like the worst possible outcome: the internet was full of stories about full blown violence, about people being beaten up by groups of black-clad anarchists, and all I could think was that everything we were hoping for was lost because some jerks decided to lash out and break stuff.

Then I went to campus today. I walked to Sproul Plaza expecting it to be a war zone, and what I saw was, yes, some boarded-up windows at the Amazon store, some paint on the ground, and a burn mark on the ground where the generator had been. But otherwise it was still the same campus. The building wasn't closed (the Amazon store wasn't even closed). People still milled around. The College Republicans had their stupid American flag tent set up, milling around talking to people. And I realized I bought the bullshit narrative.

I realized that I was more worried about the news, and about what people thought about me and us, than I was about our own community. And I realized that I was angry. In fact, I'm furious: I'm furious that the university chancellor never once publicly acknowledged the reasons people wanted to ban this speaker. I'm furious that the very real threat of targeted, systematic harassment of vulnerable students on our campus, was instead treated by the administration as an academic question of free speech. His stated goal was to debut a program targeting undocumented students, of which Berkeley has many. Chancellor Dirks said something to the effect of "his views are odious and he is a troll," but left it at that, as if what made him odious was having some bad opinions. Even Mario Savio's widow (and I'm doing her a disservice by not remembering her name) weighed in to say "let him air his opinions and they will be ridiculed for what they are," as if his "opinions" didn't involve systematic efforts at harassment and violence.

We knew there was a precedent of Milo harassing students. I won't rehash it. If you haven't read the email that the trans student in Milwaukee sent to the administration, it's worth your time.

The effect of this harassment is immeasurable pain and justifiable fear -- because after all, it's not just outing someone to an audience of peers, but to the worldwide, far-right audience watching live on breitbart.com. The people who gave us Gamer Gate are not known for their restraint. Milo's targets last night were undocumented students, and some of us were genuinely concerned for their safety. If he had published the names and photographs of undocumented students for the world to see, what do we really think the outcome would have been? Discourse, as Dirks would have us think, or the real risk of harm? And it's not only for the sake of their safety that we were concerned, but also for the effect that it would have on their right to speak out: someone asked me how I thought he planned on targeting undocumented students, and I wondered if it could have been related to one of the "undocumented and afraid" rallies held here. I mean, either way, I am 100% certain that the goal was to ensure he could do away with the "unafraid" part of that.

So I'm frankly glad there was a riot. I'm glad shit was set on fire. I'd rather have a bunch of fucking trolls think we're the worst place on the planet than to see my classmates and peers subjected to systematic abuse, just because we wanted to look nice for the cameras. Just because we wanted to prove a point about how bad he was, and how good and tolerant we are. Should we have let him place targets on our heads just to keep the moral high ground and say "well we are above this kind of drivel?"

No, fuck that. FUCK that.

I'm genuinely sorry people got hurt. Someone in a MAGA was apparently pepper sprayed, and there were apparently some other injuries. Of course the rumor on Reddit is that people got beaten to death by gangs of anarchists, but that didn't happen; police reported only minor injuries. There should have been none. I do draw a line between broken windows and broken bones (or skin, or pepper spray): I don't care the tiniest bit about the windows of the Amazon store, but I'm not keen on seeing random people hurt. Trump embodies the worst of modern politics, but I'm not ready to be at the point where a Trump hat makes you fair game for bodily harm. Maybe other people are, but not me.

But am I sad that people didn't keep order? Am I sad that property was destroyed? Hellllll no. I care way more about the members of my community than the windows of the fucking Amazon@ASUC store. And so I'm no longer quite so depressed about this, because what really matters is that we got Milo to get the fuck away from our campus before he did real damage. Berkeley did NOT back down, and I'm proud of that. It wasn't ideal, but we're in survival mode right now.

The fallout today was that the chancellor blamed this on "150 ninja-clad" outsiders, which is honestly just hilarious, given how incredibly weak and spineless he's been throughout this: yes, it's the fault of the ninjas. Thanks for standing up for us, Dirks. Trump tweeted about us, but I'm sort of wearing it as a badge of pride, as in: bring it, motherfucker. I'm sure he wants to do everything in his power to defund us, but that's a battle I'd rather fight than having him hold up UC Berkeley, of all places, as The Place Where Milo Debuted The Anti-Immigrant Program. The College Republicans will no doubt write op eds about freedom of speech. Life will go on. But at least I didn't have to sit by while that Nazi motherfucker attacked people I care about.
posted by shapes that haunt the dusk at 6:04 PM on February 2 [135 favorites]




Trump Loses Uber Alles

That is surely an instant entry to the headlines GOAT debate.
posted by jaduncan at 6:06 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


Building a wall already, huh? The new White House fence has been approved by the National Capital Planning Commission (this has been in the works for several years).

the people's house, ladies and gentlemen
posted by entropicamericana at 6:06 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


Veterans Employed by Starbucks Tell Conservatives to Quit Claiming Starbucks Hates the Military

(and yeah, I feel weird defending Starbucks, but, you know...and I'm really getting sick of the far right using veterans as a manipulative political tool

/son and grandson of veterans)
posted by jonmc at 6:07 PM on February 2 [40 favorites]


I'm a little surprised they didn't feel compelled to wear bathing suits, heels, and sashes. And what the hell is "good stature"? Does that mean posture or does everybody have to be tall?

Shoulders up, boobs out, and heels no shorter than 3 inches.

Feds Arrest Five Congressional IT Contractors At The Capitol

Wait, do you mean to tell me the Capitol does not maintain an internal, properly vetted IT staff??!
posted by Fish, fish, are you doing your duty? at 6:07 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]




I'm really getting sick of the far right using veterans as a manipulative political tool

Why stop when they leave active service, eh?
posted by jaduncan at 6:08 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


>"Conservatives are more likely to support issues like immigration and Obamacare if the message is “morally reframed” to suit their values."

You mean like reminding them that they wouldn't shut up for forty years about how Democrats were all Communists, and Russia was the Evil Empire and Communism was the ultimate expression of foulness and perversion on God's Earth... right up until the moment when there was a Republican Presidential candidate who admired an actual Russian dictator? And then they were all like, "GOOD, now we won't have to go to WAR with our friend RUSSIA for no REASON like we would if it was up to HILLARY!"

Reframing is tricky when you're dealing with people whose 'values' are a moving target.
posted by Sing Or Swim at 6:09 PM on February 2 [17 favorites]


They tell us that we lost our tails
Evolving up from little snails
But we don't believe in teaching evolution
Are we not human?
No, we're Republican.
D-E-V-O-S
posted by uosuaq at 6:12 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


So the Times is reporting that Uber had more than 200,000 customers delete their accounts. Wow.
posted by zachlipton at 6:12 PM on February 2 [67 favorites]


I read about the invisible wall long before the election.

Mexico_-_United_States_Barrier.
posted by Altomentis at 6:14 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


@DoreyScheimer Sen. Bob Casey's office tells me constituent correspondence is up 900% year over year, 80,000 pieces of mail on Devos nomination alone
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:15 PM on February 2 [26 favorites]


International Business Times Donald Trump White House Dress Code Policy? Female Staffers Must ‘Dress Like Women,’ President Says

"Since we're running this like a business... Let's talk about your lack of flair"
posted by dmh at 6:16 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


So the Times is reporting that Uber had more than 200,000 customers delete their accounts. Wow.

Every story that mentions Thiel should mention that he's now applying for citizenship in NZ.

And NZ's citizens should mount a petition drive to demand the government refuse him.
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:16 PM on February 2 [29 favorites]


> It looks Trump lied about taking this prescription hair-loss drug, Propecia (his bizarre doctor's letter in December stated he was taking only "low dose of a statin" and a daily asprin). Although Trump lies so frequently, even about minor matters, there may be a reason he wanted to hide this from the public. Emerging research suggests that Propecia's side effects may include insomnia and brain fog. That would explain his late-night Twitter addiction and his evident moments of confusion.

Related post?
For example, to combat recurrences of the volcanic stomach problems, Morell plied him with a remedy called “Dr. Köster’s Anti-gas pills,” which contained significant amounts of strychnine – and Hitler often took as many as 16 of the little black pills a day. The sallow skin, glaucous eyes and attention lapses noted by observers later in the war are consistent with strychnine poisoning; another ingredient in the pills, antropine, causes mood wings from euphoria to violent anger.
posted by homunculus at 6:17 PM on February 2 [10 favorites]


In a new report released Thursday, Trump said male staffers are to wear ties and women must “dress like women,” unnamed sources told Axios.

The Axios article is interesting. Trump 101: The producer of his own epic film

President Trump doesn't view life through the lens that most people do. In ways small and sweeping, he sees himself as The Producer, conducting The Trump show, on and off stage.

This is the man who noted the movie-like awesomeness of Marine One taking off on Inauguration Day, moved a lamp that might mess up photos of himself with British Prime Minister Theresa May, and scolded his press secretary for not wearing a stark suit that pops on TV.

This is the man who was captivated by watching coverage of himself while flying between campaign stops. Aides quit trying to show him tapes of previous debates while getting ready for the next one, because he would only focus on himself — and always applauded what he saw.


Plus more bonus wardrobe observations!
posted by futz at 6:21 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


No, dude, Thiel has NZ citizenship already. He got to queue jump people like me who waited the required 5 years after gaining permanent residency. But hey, he founded paypal and I've just dedicated my entire course of study and career to improving people's health so that's a fair trade I guess.
posted by supercrayon at 6:21 PM on February 2 [86 favorites]


It seems the House has voted to leave the UN. (Alex Jones must be happy)

Ones who WANT to be nervous can go read about the League of Nations. Be more nervous if you think other Nations/people are willing to go with "if we can't get you into the UN to address grievances we arn't gonna use your US Dollar".

May you live in interesting times indeed.
posted by rough ashlar at 6:22 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


In which Karl Rove ridicules Trump: Amateur Hour at the White House (archive.is link if you get paywalled), even as he makes the ridiculous statement about the travel ban that "this controversy will soon recede":
White House aides should still view this as a teaching moment. They ought to run deliberative processes in which cabinet members fully participate and can express reservations directly to the president before decisions are made. They need not ignore Capitol Hill allies while secretly drawing on congressional staff (and forbidding them from telling their bosses). And the White House should space out major policy announcements so Americans have time to digest them. Or they can delude themselves that—as one White House aide told the Washington Post—the travel ban’s implementation was a “massive success story.”

Some presidents got off to a bad start—think John F. Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs. But Kennedy recovered by learning from mistakes. Mr. Trump and his aides should do the same. Next time, the stakes could be much higher, with graver consequences for the Trump presidency and the country.
posted by zachlipton at 6:22 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


I'm sure if Trump knew about this, he'd fix it, he's a very empathic man (yes, really)

Not surprising. In fact, this seems to be a general feature of tyrannies. I forget where in the Archipelago it is, but IIRC Solzhenitsyn describes at some length the pattern where an ordinary Soviet citizen would pour their righteous outrage at some act of corruption or stupidity into a heartfelt letter to the man at the top: "Oh, if only Comrade Stalin knew!"

Of course, the letter writers were all but invariably complaining about a policy devised by the great man himself, and they could be assured of, at very least, a ten-year sentence in the northern camps for Anti-Revolutionary Trotskyite Agitation or somesuch.
posted by adamgreenfield at 6:22 PM on February 2 [23 favorites]


No, dude, Thiel has NZ citizenship already. He got to queue jump people like me who waited the required 5 years after gaining permanent residency.

That's nuts. And, yeah, I read too quickly. Since 2011.
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:23 PM on February 2


And yeah, part of it is definitely a feeling that the world broke its promise. I was raised to believe in the general goodness of things, of a desire towards progress and equality, and well, from Nov. 8th on, its become increasingly clear that I, and the people who raised me to see the world in the way I did, were horribly, horribly wrong.

I was actually thinking today about why I'm doing, well clearly not OK, but not as much worse as I was expecting, given that I have severe anxiety, posttraumatic stress, and depression, and the country I love is on fire. I realized when reading your comment that it's exactly because my belief in a just world has already had its traumatic break. This is the world my anxiety has been preparing me to live in for a long time.

And there's something sad about that - about how with therapy I was starting to very slowly move away from it, to believe in the general goodness of things, but now that it has been reinforced by this election I think I will always be this way, even after this new war is over I will always live in my own private war.

And I find it even sadder, I think, to see people like you who have always lived in the light coming to meet me where I am, in the darkness and brokenness and eternal preparations for war.

I hope this doesn't last. I hope we all survive, and you can believe in the promise of a good world again. I hope that for you and all of yours.

I know it sounds mad, in the world we live in now, but we still need people like you. Or we will someday.
posted by corb at 6:26 PM on February 2 [72 favorites]


It seems the House has voted to leave the UN.

That was so much "what what WHAT" that I had to look for details. AFAICT, they haven't yet done so, but there's a bill: US exit from United Nations could become reality with fresh bill.

The bill itself is fairly simple:
This bill repeals the United Nations Participation Act of 1945 and other specified related laws.

The bill requires: (1) the President to terminate U.S. membership in the United Nations (U.N.), including any organ, specialized agency, commission, or other formally affiliated body; and (2) closure of the U.S. Mission to the United Nations.

The bill prohibits: (1) the authorization of funds for the U.S. assessed or voluntary contribution to the U.N., (2) the authorization of funds for any U.S. contribution to any U.N. military or peacekeeping operation, (3) the expenditure of funds to support the participation of U.S. Armed Forces as part of any U.N. military or peacekeeping operation, (4) U.S. Armed Forces from serving under U.N. command, and (5) diplomatic immunity for U.N. officers or employees.
Errr... dudes, if you leave the UN, who do you think is going to help us in the war President Bannon starts with China?
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 6:29 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


Re: US leaving UN
The sponsor is a wingnut who advances this bill every year or two since I dunno when. So far, it's the usual noise in the system, only amplified to noticeable levels by other concurrent fuckery. Carry on. [i hope]
posted by Enturbulated at 6:36 PM on February 2 [17 favorites]


A simple action to take - push for your public institutions to make a public statement on refugees or the Muslim Ban if they haven't already. For example here in New Zealand, Victoria University's Vice-Chancellor Professor Grant Guilford has put out a statement

My university in Australia has done so too. It wasn't as strongly worded as the Victoria University one but does include the sentence "This Executive Order is deeply concerning for its impact on the university sector as well as its fundamental undermining of values such as respect, diversity and inclusion".

Universities Australia put out a statement here but it's mostly focussed on the practical implications for university collaboration and recruitment, rather than expressing horror at the underlying ideas behind the order. Same for Association of American Universities. But Universities Canada put out a stronger statement here.

Our research group decided yesterday to subsidise more expensive airfares for members who need to travel internationally and want to avoid flying via the USA hubs whether or not they are from the seven directly affected countries.

I'm on the boards of a couple of professional organisations that are in the process of putting together similar statements, and urging others to boycott the USA for academic conferences.
posted by lollusc at 6:36 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


The leaks coming out of the Trump White House right now are totally bananas

Oh for fuck's sake.

[Third leak] The White House asked Judge Thomas Hardiman to drive toward D.C. to amp up the drama in advance of Trump's Supreme Court pick on Tuesday night. (Hardiman was passed over in favor of Colorado federal appeals court judge Neil Gorsuch.)

The third leak is, to me, perhaps the most baffling. White House press secretary Sean Spicer spent a decent chunk of his briefing on Wednesday disputing media reports that Hardiman and Gorsuch had both been encouraged to come to Washington in a sort of "Cannonball Run"-like competition to fill the vacant seat on the highest court in the country. Which makes this sentence — and its sourcing — from Maggie Haberman and Glenn Thrush all the more amazing:

Three administration officials who did not want to be identified said Judge Hardiman hit the road to Washington to help them maintain the illusion that the selection process was still competitive.

They are trying to orchestrate every little detail and it backfires on them every time. It is utterly fucking pathetic. I am sure that some leaks are planned but I'd bet that the majority aren't. I am a wee bit surprised that heads haven't rolled for embarrassing the Tiny Tyrant.
posted by futz at 6:37 PM on February 2 [46 favorites]


Proud to see my alma mater making a clear statement against the Muslim ban, as well as my employer (though that one's not online), which is also a university.

More .edu against hate, please.
posted by wenestvedt at 6:40 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


My fondest hope is that all of the attention we are focusing on our Reps and Senators is going to lead them to start impeachment hearings. They are not used to this intense scrutiny and I imagine that is starting to get exhausting for them as well. Think about all the phone calls, faxes, emails, and letters they must deal with now. Every time someone has a town hall an enormous crowd shows up. Every vote, every action is under the microscope and they, poor little souls, are not used to this. Sooner or later it is going to occur to them that if they just dump trump they can go back to the way things used to be when they weren't being badgered and harassed all day long.

Three things need to happen for a successful impeachment:

1.) Because of the Hastert Rule, a majority of the majority must agree before the vote will be brought to the floor. That means even if they have enough votes with the Dems and some Repubs, it will never reach the floor. The magic number we are looking for is 121 (half of the 241 seats that they hold) to vote YES for impeachment.

2.) In the House a simple majority will be enough to impeach: magic number: 270.

3.) However to impeach him in the Senate takes 2/3s. This is why Clinton was not Impeached, the Senate saved him.

Chances he will be successfully impeached are extremely small but I take heart in all the pressure we are continuing to exert. I also take heart in what a goddam shit show his first 13 days have been. We just need to convince 121 Republican Congress people and 19 Republican Senators (plus every Democrat) that life without President Trump would be so much sweeter.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 6:41 PM on February 2 [17 favorites]


You know, I've been to the Mexican border and can tell you the wall is already invisible.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 6:42 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


Hardiman is a fucking federal appellate judge. That is beyond disgraceful to participate in political showmanship.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:43 PM on February 2 [19 favorites]


So is it possible that President Bannon is doing all this terrible, terrible shit to distract from the fact that they're not going to be able to get rid of Obamacare?
and urging others to boycott the USA for academic conferences.
I can't really argue with this in principle, but it's probably worth pointing out that the Trump administration has basically declared war on American higher ed. Punishing American academia is not exactly going to bother the Trumpies.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:43 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


And the Twitter machine has already revved up (#DressLikeAWoman).

Ironically the featured result in the tag search results is Behnaz Shafiei: Iran's trailblazing female biker makes history with women's race
When Behnaz Shafiei crosses the finish line on Friday at the end of a dusty, rock-strewn race track in Karaj, near Tehran, it will mark the end of both a simple motorbike race and a three-year campaign for women's rights in Iran. Whether she wins the race or not, it's a victory.
The 27-year-old has got a concession from Iran's sports ministry to stage the country's first ever female motorbike race, despite women being barred from motorbike riding by modesty laws.
It's like there's a polar swap going on.
posted by Buntix at 6:43 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


Given the close alliance of Republican senators with Netanyahu, I doubt that they will be so willing to drop UN veto power.
posted by MysticMCJ at 6:44 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]



So was in class tonight and made the American woman I sit beside so angry even though I didn't say much of anything to her about anything. I do group work with her and from past classes got the idea that she is a Republican. I have avoided talking to her about anything that's going on ever since in a past class that happened before the election she wanted to explain it all to us and the class just said no thanks, politely of course, because we're Canadian.

I sit beside a guy who has become very interested in what is going on and now knows I follow it more then the average person. So we're there half and hour before class and he asks me so what's happened this past couple of days. So I start yammering about this thing and that thing and he's asking me questions and I'm showing him stuff online. He even takes notes on things he wants to look up. It's great, a political conversation with someone in person! He's interested enough that he looks up things I talk about and comes back at a later date with comments from his own research.

Then I hear from the other side 'You know you can't believe everything you read. It's all BS'. I don't bother to respond because no point and I'm not going to get into an argument justifying the way I get my info. The guy and I keep chatting on and off during class and I hear a mumble "CNN is not the whole truth you know". I just reply "Yes I realize that" make some comments about CNN and how I don't watch it for primary info. Then a little while later another mumble "You shouldn't even care. You're not even American. Only Americans can really understand." Again just ignore because I'm not going to get into a fight in the middle of class.

She just sort of sat there and seemed to stew. And then when I tried to talk about class stuff and our project she was totally short with me and after class stormed out without saying anything to anyone, which isn't normal. I guess she's feeling really defensive right now?

It was really weird.
posted by Jalliah at 6:46 PM on February 2 [49 favorites]


Hardiman is a fucking federal appellate judge. That is beyond disgraceful to participate in political showmanship.

I know! Why does everyone jump when he says "jump!"?

No need to actually answer that.
posted by futz at 6:47 PM on February 2


So is it possible that President Bannon is doing all this terrible, terrible shit to distract from the fact that they're not going to be able to get rid of Obamacare?

No.
posted by Rust Moranis at 6:50 PM on February 2 [19 favorites]


She just sort of sat there and seemed to stew. And then when I tried to talk about class stuff and our project she was totally short with me and after class stormed out without saying anything to anyone, which isn't normal. I guess she's feeling really defensive right now?

She's in the denial stage, I'd imagine. Maybe a touch of bargaining?
posted by jaduncan at 6:50 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


"You shouldn't even care. You're not even American. Only Americans can really understand."

Kind of feels like the obvious response is "He's threatened to wage war on three different countries. This week. It's everyone's problem."
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:53 PM on February 2 [41 favorites]


It was really weird.

People get weird when their self concept as "a good person" gets challenged.

I've had frequent lessons in how weird it can get because I was a vegetarian for about 25 years (now pescatarian, still strenuously object to factory farming). I was never the preachy kind, but yeah, it was largely for moral reasons rather than health reasons (the latter are the magic words to say if you want to get people to stop being fucking weird). And whoa nelly, people are weeeiiiirrrddd when you make a sacrifice for a moral good that they don't want to make. (And what is perceived to be at stake in the US right now for these people is a sacrifice. They subscribe to a worldview where if someone wins, someone else has to lose and if an Iranian baby gets heart surgery, a veteran has to remain homeless. So someone being like, 'yo, that baby should get her surgery' is implying that the rest of us must sacrifice in some way.)
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:54 PM on February 2 [81 favorites]


So is it possible that President Bannon is doing all this terrible, terrible shit to distract from the fact that they're not going to be able to get rid of Obamacare?

The answer to "is it possible that they are doing x terrible thing to distract us from y terrible thing" is always both yes and no. They want to distract, but also they want to do terrible things.

So maybe we can stop declaring that this or that is a distraction. They're distractions from distractions, which things are also real things. None of it is a distraction because all of it is terrible.
posted by dis_integration at 6:54 PM on February 2 [23 favorites]


She's in the denial stage, I'd imagine. Maybe a touch of bargaining?

I guess so. It's not that I wouldn't want to talk to her about her views. I'd love to actually but it's difficult to engage in a conversation where the default starting point seems to include, "You can't know anything because you're Canadian and wouldn't understand."
posted by Jalliah at 6:55 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


In a new report released Thursday, Trump said male staffers are to wear ties and women must “dress like women,” unnamed sources told Axios.

There's a twitter hashtag #DressLikeAWoman going around in response to this featuring soldiers in uniform, astronauts in spacesuits, Justice Ginsburg in her robe, etc...
posted by zachlipton at 6:55 PM on February 2 [44 favorites]


Lo, how those pantsuits must have sent him into apoplectic rage!
posted by mochapickle at 6:58 PM on February 2 [18 favorites]


@MKarnitschnig:
Only 22% of Germans consider US a trustworthy partner, down from 59% under Obama. Now on par with Russia. [chart]
posted by chris24 at 6:58 PM on February 2 [44 favorites]


Only 22% of Germans consider US a trustworthy partner, down from 59% under Obama.

It's been 14 days.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 6:59 PM on February 2 [102 favorites]


For the record, America Magazine (a Jesuit publication) advises that the "Fascism Forever Club" was a yearbook joke and not an actual organized club. The writers of 2017 are still utterly ridiculous, however.

Now his love for that Kissinger quote on the other hand...
posted by zachlipton at 7:01 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


Oh god, now I have to go find my pantsuit to protest this weekend.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:01 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


They are not used to this intense scrutiny and I imagine that is starting to get exhausting for them as well. Think about all the phone calls, faxes, emails, and letters they must deal with now. Every time someone has a town hall an enormous crowd shows up. Every vote, every action is under the microscope and they, poor little souls, are not used to this.

I haven't really considered the implications of this fully, that right now everyone from school board to city council to state rep and beyond is getting this heightened scrutiny, all the time. This makes it doubly important to me that I keep nudging our Indivisible group to also be a social group, we need that sustaining energy of community to keep it up - what happens when this insane amount of grassroots activity in the first days of the administration just does not stop, how will they react then? Imagine the staffing costs right now, the overtime logging all of those calls, opening all of those letters. The work that isn't getting done in the offices because they have to deal with this. It's crazy. Oh, and all that local attention that understaffed state and local officials are getting? That's going to cause pressure to rise up through the party ranks on their end, because they are not equipped to deal with it. "Can you just pump the brakes for a second and let us catch our breath?" And you know the hope in elected offices across the country is that this will all blow over. It can't and it won't, we'll sustain our efforts.
posted by jason_steakums at 7:02 PM on February 2 [24 favorites]


Thiel has NZ citizenship already

I was going to FPP this, but it's too close to this post. He basically paid for citizenship here; "not a bribe" because it was investment and charitable donations, although once he was granted citizenship nothing further has been forthcoming.

What sticks in my craw is this: his citizenship application cited his deep regard for NZ society and government. Our country has carefully built up the social and legislative frameworks that allow for this. He's currently part of an administration that is trying to demolish very similar frameworks in the States. So... if he tears down the social fabric of the States I guess his plan is to bail out and then rely on ours instead?
posted by Paragon at 7:03 PM on February 2 [16 favorites]


The answer to "is it possible that they are doing x terrible thing to distract us from y terrible thing" is always both yes and no.

That poor cat.
posted by Dashy at 7:05 PM on February 2 [23 favorites]


So... if he tears down the social fabric of the States I guess his plan is to bail out and then rely on ours instead?

No, he just lied. He'll just rely on his money, wherever he ends up, and try to tear down any social fabric that might end up taking that away from him.
posted by Etrigan at 7:05 PM on February 2 [10 favorites]


Agreed jason_steakums.

Right now a lot of this is anti-De Vos and that's because education is something everyone can undersstand, most kids go to public schools, there are millions of educators in the US, children of educators, fathers and mothers of educators, parents of special needs children, and they are all mobilized.

To continue to bring that kind of pressure to bear for other issues, we need to really be strategic. Write explainers, work our social networks, make it easy for people to [attempt to] contact their senators, and really foment that adversarial "oh, you think you don't work for me?" thing that's happening right now as people are trying to contact their congresspeople and getting stonewalled. It's a marathon, not a sprint, and we're only just beginning. A lot o people are new to this rodeo and they're going to need the rest of us to keep those fires stoked, make it easy to be involved, and make it easy to understand the issues.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:07 PM on February 2 [13 favorites]




Fighting in Ukraine is getting heavier. That didn't take long.
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:12 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


I guess so. It's not that I wouldn't want to talk to her about her views. I'd love to actually but it's difficult to engage in a conversation where the default starting point seems to include, "You can't know anything because you're Canadian and wouldn't understand."

Yes. I'm sure it would be a hostile experience as she fell back on ad hom attacks rather than addressing the specifics. I mean, she's already 2 for 2 given that she's dismissed anything said by either you or CNN. My response to that kind of thing is usually "can you explain what you mean" for comments with racist implications or "what is it that CNN have said about this that you disagree with" for the entertainment of watching the cognitive dissonance and sudden Wiley-Coyotesque sudden realisation that nothing they are about to say is based on knowledge, but I get the feeling you're a nicer person than me.
posted by jaduncan at 7:12 PM on February 2 [9 favorites]


In the last thread, there were lamentations that there were no cavalry coming to save us.

Wrong. We're the fucking cavalry.


Nope, we are the fucking Indians.

Which is why Julian Noisecat argues the necessity of a left/Indigenous alliance politics here. It's a sad read now that Standing Rock has been reversed, but it's so provocative.

Since we must urgently set about understanding root causes of the crisis even as we struggle and resist, it pays to dwell on the country's original sin as the root of all subsequent evil.
posted by spitbull at 7:13 PM on February 2 [20 favorites]


shapes that haunt the dusk, thank you for linking to that letter from the trans student at U of Milwaukee. I knew Milo was loathsome, but I just read the whole thing and am at a loss for words.
posted by hoist with his own pet aardvark at 7:13 PM on February 2 [19 favorites]


They are trying to orchestrate every little detail and it backfires on them every time. It is utterly fucking pathetic. I am sure that some leaks are planned but I'd bet that the majority aren't.

"Structured reality" TV has an editing room. The narrative is shaped in post. There's no post-production here.
posted by holgate at 7:14 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


We're just straight up creating massacres out of thin air now?
posted by zachlipton at 7:14 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]




We're just straight up creating massacres out of thin air now?

Apparently.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 7:16 PM on February 2




For the record, America Magazine (a Jesuit publication) advises that the "Fascism Forever Club" was a yearbook joke and not an actual organized club. The writers of 2017 are still utterly ridiculous, however.

I have noticed that nowadays joking about being a fascist is the first step to being a fascist.
posted by ckape at 7:19 PM on February 2 [34 favorites]


"Structured reality" TV has an editing room. The narrative is shaped in post. There's no post-production here.

Russian managed democracy manages pretty well. Now is the time to kill the infant form of that.
posted by jaduncan at 7:19 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


You've got to admit that the Bowling Green Massacre sounds a lot more serious than the Bowling Green Attempted Money Transfer.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 7:20 PM on February 2 [89 favorites]


For the record, America Magazine (a Jesuit publication) advises that the "Fascism Forever Club" was a yearbook joke

Hilarious!
posted by zakur at 7:20 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


Yes. I'm sure it would be a hostile experience as she fell back on ad hom attacks rather than addressing the specifics. I mean, she's already 2 for 2 given that she's dismissed anything said by either you or CNN. My response to that kind of thing is usually "can you explain what you mean" for comments with racist implications or "what is it that CNN have said about this that you disagree with" for the entertainment of watching the cognitive dissonance, but I get the feeling you're a nicer person than me.

Nah. That's sounds like things I would end up saying. I can get pretty intense when debating politics especially when people come into it with these sorts of smarter then thou attitudes. I was in the actual political arena for many years so I'm used to it. I love me a good debate.
posted by Jalliah at 7:21 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


Does she have it confused with Bo ... ston maybe? If she was opening a history book for the first time ever, to look up Frederick Douglass?
posted by Dashy at 7:22 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


Does this somehow relate to the The Berenst#in Bears universe problem? Over here in Berenstain world, was there a Bowling Green Massacre? What else is different? Is Kellyanne Conway just a stand-up comic over in the Berenstein universe? Is Trump even orange over there? What is happening?
posted by zachlipton at 7:22 PM on February 2 [22 favorites]


I think they believe, probably correctly, that they can just make shit up and people will believe it.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 7:24 PM on February 2 [18 favorites]


Also, the Bowling Green case was the reason that refugee screening is where it's at today. She's citing a problem that the system already solved as a reason to upend the system.
posted by Etrigan at 7:25 PM on February 2 [23 favorites]


Californians, Senator Kamala Harris wants to hear from you.

I'm pretty sure she just wants to collect email addresses, demographic data and solicit donations. She has six years.
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:25 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


In that reality Ted Knight has the paint roller and Jim J Bullock gets painted.
posted by ian1977 at 7:25 PM on February 2 [15 favorites]


Californians, Senator Kamala Harris wants to hear from you.

No joke, I was going to fill this out, but then it asked me to choose which issues I'm most worried about, and I just stared at the screen. I had to close the tab.
posted by shapes that haunt the dusk at 7:27 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


Does this somehow relate to the The Berenst#in Bears universe problem? Over here in Berenstain world, was there a Bowling Green Massacre? What else is different? Is Kellyanne Conway just a stand-up comic over in the Berenstein universe? Is Trump even orange over there? What is happening?

Oh cool I never considered that the whole Mandela Effect bullshit was potentially a constructed primer for undermining faith in facts in social media circles, so now I got that on my mind!
posted by jason_steakums at 7:28 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


No joke, I was going to fill this out, but then it asked me to choose which issues I'm most worried about, and I just stared at the screen. I had to close the tab.

After that it asks you for money.
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:29 PM on February 2


then it asked me to choose which issues I'm most worried about, and I just stared at the screen. I had to close the tab.

i just checked them all
posted by entropicamericana at 7:29 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


I've been calling Senator Harris's voicemail to leave my support. Filled this in as well -- the survey asks "Do you want to run for political office?" and I nearly answered yes, but I really can't commit to something like that yet.

But if you're feeling fired up and ready to organize, take that survey and click yes and let her know!
posted by vickyverky at 7:29 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


i just checked them all
posted by entropicamericana at 7:29 PM on February 2


Me too!
posted by vickyverky at 7:30 PM on February 2


Me three. Can't help but feeling that these push poll/fundraisers are about the least effective thing one can do, though.
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:31 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]




But only the sexiest parts of the wall. The large buttresses -- those will be painted something neutral, with vertical stripes to minimize their apparent size.

I like big buttresses, and I cannot lie.
posted by kirkaracha at 7:32 PM on February 2 [18 favorites]


This seems a lot like what corb has been discussing around presenting arguments in terms Republicans will respond to, with some research attached: The Simple Psychological Trick to Political Persuasion: "Conservatives are more likely to support issues like immigration and Obamacare if the message is “morally reframed” to suit their values."

This is moral reframing, which is something I've been following with interest for a few years. Conservatives and liberals see the world in fundamentally different ways and trying to appeal to the other side based on what motivates my side is almost always an exercise in futility, because it's almost as if we speak different languages. If I want to make my arguments appeal to conservatives, I need to find a way to frame them in terms of things that are important to them, which sounds easy, but, as the study found, is very difficult (for people from both sides) to do. (I'm trying to find arguments for various issues that would appeal to a conservative's sense of, for example, loyalty, and then just memorize it so I can use it when I need it.)

I wrote about this a little bit more previously here, and I've saved a lot of interesting things I've read over the years. I'm going to plop a bunch of them here and if it all seems a little disorganized, it's because I have a raging head cold and can't really be more coherent right now, so, apologies.

There are a few things I've read about differences between conservatives and liberals across multiple sources:

Conservatives (in general):
- react more strongly to disgust
- are more motivated by purity/cleanliness
- have a more visceral reaction to negative stimuli
- value loyalty, patriotism, moral purity and respect for authority
- tend to be more orderly and organized
- perceive more commonality in similarly-minded people than actually exists:
But why should these misperceptions of others’ views matter? It turns out that perceiving consensus in one's political ranks can fuel organizing.
Feeling confident that one’s group can achieve its goals is important in part because it can propel individuals to engage in behaviors that benefit the group. Consistent with this, participants in the study who felt their party was likely to be successful in the 2012 election were also more likely to say that they intended to vote themselves. (cite)
Liberals (in general):
- have a higher tolerance for risk-taking and uncertainty
- have lower perceptions of the trustworthiness of peers
- more likely to alter behavior in response to cues
- value equality, fairness and protection of the vulnerable
- tend to be more creative and open-minded
- perceive more diversity in thought in similarly-minded people than actually exists:
...the liberal tendency to diverge from the views of other liberals may risk undermining solidarity and place a greater burden on politicians to find common ground among individuals who are often psychologically disinclined to do so.
...The same psychological drive that leads people to favor changing the status quo also makes them reluctant to join large political coalitions. For conservatives hoping for success in November, the takeaway involves following that gut instinct to cohere with like-minded others. But for liberals it means something very different: thinking strategically about when it is time to dissent and, though it may feel wrong, when it is time to conform. (cite)
Study: From Gulf to Bridge: When Do Moral Arguments Facilitate Political Influence?

Importantly, this research finds that liberals tend to endorse foundations based on caring and protection from harm (harm) and maintenance of fairness and reciprocity (fairness) more strongly than conservatives. However, conservatives tend to endorse moral concerns related to ingroup-loyalty (loyalty), respect for authority (authority), and protection of purity and sanctity (purity) more than liberals. Related research largely supports these findings, and together, this body of work indicates that liberals possess stronger moral convictions related to fundamental aspects of harm and fairness (e.g., benevolence, nurturance, equality, social justice), and conservatives possess stronger convictions related to group loyalty, authority, and purity (e.g., patriotism, traditionalism, strictness, religious sanctity). As a result of these differing moral commitments, liberals and conservatives tend to view the world through different moral lenses and often have contrasting viewpoints on morally charged issues.

NYT: The Key to Political Persuasion

In one study, we presented liberals and conservatives with one of two messages in support of same-sex marriage. One message emphasized the need for equal rights for same-sex couples. This is the sort of fairness-based message that liberals typically advance for same-sex marriage. It is framed in terms of a value — equality — that research has shown resonates more strongly among liberals than conservatives. The other message was designed to appeal to values of patriotism and group loyalty, which have been shown to resonate more with conservatives. (It argued that “same-sex couples are proud and patriotic Americans” who “contribute to the American economy and society.”)

Liberals showed the same support for same-sex marriage regardless of which message they encountered. But conservatives supported same-sex marriage significantly more if they read the patriotism message rather than the fairness one.

In a parallel experiment, we targeted liberals for persuasion. We presented a group of liberals and conservatives with one of two messages in support of increased military spending. One message argued that we should “take pride in our military,” which “unifies us both at home and abroad.” The other argued that military spending is necessary because, through the military, the poor and disadvantaged “can achieve equal standing,” by ensuring they have “a reliable salary and a future apart from the challenges of poverty and inequality.”

For conservatives, it didn’t matter which message they read; their support for military spending was the same. However, liberals expressed significantly greater support for increasing military spending if they read the fairness message rather than the patriotism one.


20 peer-reviewed studies show liberals and conservatives physiologically different

Alternet: How Conservative Brains Are Wired Differently and What This Means for Our Politics

Vox: Most people are bad at arguing. These 2 techniques will make you better.

In his study, when he framed an argument against Trump in terms of loyalty (a conservative moral foundation), conservative participants reported they were less likely to support him.

“For instance, the loyalty message argued that Trump ‘has repeatedly behaved disloyally towards our country to serve his own interests’ and that ‘during the Vietnam War, he dodged the draft to follow his father into the development business,’” Feinberg and his co-author write in a preprint of their study.


Scientific American: How to Convince Someone When Facts Fail

From my experience, 1. keep emotions out of the exchange, 2. discuss, don't attack (no ad hominem and no ad Hitlerum), 3. listen carefully and try to articulate the other position accurately, 4. show respect, 5. acknowledge that you understand why someone might hold that opinion, and 6. try to show how changing facts does not necessarily mean changing worldviews.

Vox: Why Democrats and Republicans don’t understand each other

...voters tend to agree with Republicans on the philosophical questions in American politics (should government be smaller?) they tend to agree with Democrats on the policy questions in American politics (like should Social Security be smaller?)...

Democrats tend to project their preference for policymaking onto the Republican Party — and then respond with anger and confusion when Republicans don't seem interested in making a deal. Republicans tend to assume the Democratic Party is more ideological than it is, and so see various policy initiatives as part of an ideological effort to remake America along more socialistic lines.

posted by triggerfinger at 7:34 PM on February 2 [205 favorites]


that fucking asshole made physical appearance into such a big deal that he basically insinuated that his followers shouldn't vote for anyone who sweats or who has smaller hands than he does

Trump Is Reportedly Obsessed With How the People Who Work for Him Dress
While it might not be revelatory news that a reality-TV star who decorated his house in floor-to-ceiling gold is obsessed with appearances, according to a new story from Axios, Donald Trump is fixated on how the people who work for him look.

We’ve already heard that he was furious with Press Secretary Sean Spicer over the ill-fitting suit he wore to his first press conference, but he apparently has a history of judging employees’ dress and grooming habits.
posted by kirkaracha at 7:36 PM on February 2 [11 favorites]


TRIGGERFINGER MAKE A FPP.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 7:37 PM on February 2 [61 favorites]


FWIW, I like Lakoff and company too, but more serious linguists and etc seem to think it's on the level of pop-psych.
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:38 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


I also checked everything in the Kamala Harris Poll. I note in the free text space I wasn't just click happy, I genuinely and terrified about every issue and every person and oh yeah, can you help save the federal lands.
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 7:38 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


Haven't seen this upthread yet.

E. J. Dionne, "It’s time to make Republicans pay for their supreme hypocrisy"

"The Rubicon was crossed with Garland....The Garland case was only a particularly egregious example of what we have to fear even more of in the months to come. The road to the outrages we are seeing from Trump was paved by his party’s violation of long-standing norms. Such norms were brushed aside again Wednesday when the Senate Finance Committee suspended the rules to ram through two Trump Cabinet nominees. How often will Republicans run roughshod over their opponents to do Trump’s bidding?"
posted by vverse23 at 7:38 PM on February 2 [10 favorites]


Yep. If you don't FPP that I will, Triggerfinger.
posted by jaduncan at 7:39 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]



Another call for an FPP!
posted by Jalliah at 7:41 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


the irony of trump being particular about how people dress when he apparently knows as much about ties as a 7th-grade boy is magnificent.

"look, mister trump, i don't know what you think full windsors are, but—"
"don't argue with me! just get rid of them!"
posted by entropicamericana at 7:45 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


I'd read that FPP.
posted by Lyme Drop at 7:46 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]




I also clicked all the things in Harris' survey, and added at the bottom notes about Bannon (she sits on the Homeland Security Committee), Pruitt, CBP at LAX, SCOTUS, and a quick thank-you for opposing Tillerson, Sessions, and DeVos. Carrots and sticks, after all.

Not that I'm going to stop calling and faxing.
posted by Fish, fish, are you doing your duty? at 7:48 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


anyway on the neverending list of things i never thought i would have to google, today's entry is "who has enough nukes to stop us that isn't russia"

In all seriousness, Britain and France. A single Vanguard or Triomphant parked in the Arctic Ocean could pretty much entirely destroy the continental US. Probably China too but I'm too lazy to look up whether their current missile subs are a meaningful deterrent.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 7:49 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


STOP BANNON: The Senate Committee on Homeland Security is taking calls about Bannon's appointment to the NSC. You can call 202-224-4751 and leave comments opposing this appointment.

I tried calling but got a busy signal, will try again shortly.


Voicemail's full. Will try tomorrow.
posted by sebastienbailard at 7:50 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


Sure, I can put together an FPP, but it won't be posted until tomorrow because I want to go through all the articles I've saved on this topic (a lot) and see if I've missed anything. Also, I think I'll do better after I've taken a bunch of cold medicine in the morning. :)
posted by triggerfinger at 7:51 PM on February 2 [36 favorites]


I also clicked all the things in Harris' survey, and added at the bottom notes about Bannon (she sits on the Homeland Security Committee), Pruitt, CBP at LAX, SCOTUS, and a quick thank-you for opposing Tillerson, Sessions, and DeVos. Carrots and sticks, after all.

She's also on Intelligence, so kind of a two-fer with regards to Bannon and the NSC.
posted by susiswimmer at 7:56 PM on February 2


Is this the Lakoff conservative/liberal FPP you were looking for?
posted by Joey Michaels at 7:57 PM on February 2


It’s Putin’s World
How the Russian president became the ideological hero of nationalists everywhere


After the global financial crisis of 2008, populist uprisings had sprouted across Europe. Putin and his strategists sensed the beginnings of a larger uprising that could upend the Continent and make life uncomfortable for his geostrategic competitors. A 2013 paper from the Center for Strategic Communications, a pro-Kremlin think tank, observed that large patches of the West despised feminism and the gay-rights movement and, more generally, the progressive direction in which elites had pushed their societies. With the traditionalist masses ripe for revolt, the Russian president had an opportunity. He could become, as the paper’s title blared, “The New World Leader of Conservatism.”

Putin had never spoken glowingly of the West, but grim pronouncements about its fate grew central to his rhetoric. He hurled splenetic attacks against the culturally decadent, spiritually desiccated “Euro-Atlantic.” He warned against the fetishization of tolerance and diversity. He described the West as “infertile and genderless,” while Russian propaganda derided Europe as “Gayropa.” At the heart of Putin’s case was an accusation of moral relativism. “We can see how many of the Euro-Atlantic countries are actually rejecting their roots, including the Christian values that constitute the basis of Western civilization,” he said at a conference in 2013. “They are denying moral principles and all traditional identities: national, cultural, religious, and even sexual … They are implementing policies that equate large families with same-sex partnerships, belief in God with the belief in Satan.” By succumbing to secularism, he noted on another occasion, the West was trending toward “chaotic darkness” and a “return to a primitive state.”

Few analysts grasped the potency such rhetoric would have beyond Russia. But right-wing leaders around the world—from Rodrigo Duterte in the Philippines to Nigel Farage in Britain to Donald Trump in the U.S.—now speak of Putin in heroic terms. Their fawning is often discounted, ascribed to under-the-table payments or other stealthy Russian efforts. These explanations don’t wholly account for Putin’s outsize stature, however. He has achieved this prominence because he anticipated the global populist revolt and helped give it ideological shape. With his apocalyptic critique of the West—which also plays on anxieties about Christendom’s supposedly limp response to Islamist terrorism—Putin has become a mascot of traditionalist resistance.

posted by Jalliah at 7:59 PM on February 2 [16 favorites]


Good news, Frederick Douglass actually stopped the Bowling Green Massacre, which is why you don't remember it.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:00 PM on February 2 [57 favorites]


In all seriousness, Britain and France. A single Vanguard or Triomphant parked in the Arctic Ocean could pretty much entirely destroy the continental US.

if they don't run into each other and sink first
posted by indubitable at 8:01 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


Trump Executive Order Generator.

We need laughter. Grim, mirthless laughter will do.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 8:06 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


FWIW, I like Lakoff and company too, but more serious linguists and etc seem to think it's on the level of pop-psych.

So I'm sort of a linguist (linguistic anthropologist), and the issues I have with the framing stuff and Lakoff and the cognitive sciency stuff about liberals and conservatives are many, but boil down to a poor theoretical account of the relationship between language, ideology (or culture or habitus etc), and behavior, generally for lack of a real understanding of affect (emotion, sort of), narrative, and embodiment. Language is treated as both a reflection and a shaper of thought, without taking the embeddedness of language in embodied social life fully into account. And the internet and social media encourage this abstraction as textual and disembodied communication (although the power of memes and videos suggests here too a referential analysis of language has its limits).

TLDR it is far too easy to go from "conservatives talk like THIS" to "if we change the way we talk about something people will see through their ideological barriers to understanding." The semiotic problem seems secondary to the question of tribal self-interest.
posted by spitbull at 8:07 PM on February 2 [38 favorites]


Good news, Frederick Douglass actually stopped the Bowling Green Massacre, which is why you don't remember it.

He's doing a terrific job. I'm glad more and more people seem to be noticing.
posted by spitbull at 8:08 PM on February 2 [49 favorites]


Btw, I really don't think "don't invite on people who invent massacres" is an unreasonable rule for TV networks to follow. I mean, if you had the slightest care about the quality of the information you're putting out there, wouldn't you stop allowing this to happen? Or at least insist on pre-taping every interview, fact checking, and only then airing it as part of real reporting, with doses of actual reality inserted (posting the raw footage online so as to show you work for anybody who accuses you of selective editing).
posted by zachlipton at 8:09 PM on February 2 [41 favorites]


More .edu against hate, please.
posted by wenestvedt at 6:40 PM on February 2

David W. Leebron, President, Rice University
"Absent legal compulsion, we will not reveal the immigration status, citizenship or national origin of any student.
Given the threat posed by the order on Friday, I have asked our general counsel to develop a plan to provide legal assistance to any student or employee detained upon entry because they are from one of the seven countries. The plan will include the creation of a fund to support such assistance when volunteer legal services are not readily available or sufficient. We will continue to monitor developments, and if we determine that other students or faculty members face unwarranted risks of either deportation or exclusion at the border, we will make that assistance available to them."
posted by eerie magi at 8:11 PM on February 2 [25 favorites]



Regarding the military convoy, Seals that was filmed flying a Trump flag. Looks like the Navy has ordered a Command Inquiry into it.

Don't know much about how it works but I've read military people say that it's serious and could mean these guys get in a lot of trouble.
posted by Jalliah at 8:11 PM on February 2 [32 favorites]


Looks like we've got a bill to codify who gets to be on the NSC, thanks to six senators, including both from California - Senator Harris and Senator Feinstein. (I can't find it on senate.gov yet, but the Senator Warner links to the text of the bill.)

MeFites whose senators sponsored this bill - let's send thank-you faxes! MeFites with other senators - please call and urge yours to co-sponsor and vote yes.
posted by kristi at 8:12 PM on February 2 [38 favorites]


Regarding the military convoy, Seals that was filmed flying a Trump flag. Looks like the Navy has ordered a Command Inquiry into it.

Good because that has been really bugging me. Elite commando corps announcing political allegiance to the authoritarian Dear Leader is all kinds of fucked up. Was that before or after the Seals lost a guy and a chopper while killing a bunch of women and children in Yemen?
posted by spitbull at 8:14 PM on February 2 [38 favorites]


Former Norwegian Prime Minister held for questioning at Dulles Airport. He was held for an hour because he's previously visited Iran.
posted by zachlipton at 8:14 PM on February 2 [42 favorites]


begun the tradewars has:
China Increases interest rates in open market
posted by xcasex at 8:15 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


C'mon, the only way to change a white supremacists mind is to put them in prison where their lives can be saved by an empathetic person of color. It's like no one's ever seen American History X.
posted by valkane at 8:17 PM on February 2 [11 favorites]


Is it wrong that I am rooting for China lately as the last best hope of Mankind?
posted by spitbull at 8:17 PM on February 2 [15 favorites]


military people say that it's serious

It is very serious. Many military people I talked to about political canvassing were reticent about getting involved even though they would be in plainclothes and off-duty.
posted by Coventry at 8:18 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


Politico: Distrust in Trump’s White House spurs leaks, confusion

Come for the chaos, stay for the tale of Omarosa trying to take Scaramucci's office because it has a better view of the Washington Monument (before Scaramucci was forced out).
posted by zachlipton at 8:19 PM on February 2 [7 favorites]


Good because that has been really bugging me. Elite commando corps announcing political allegiance to the authoritarian Dear Leader is all kinds of fucked up. Was that before or after the Seals lost a guy and a chopper while killing a bunch of women and children in Yemen?

Looks like convoy was on Sunday so same day. Not sure about the timing and whether they would have heard what happened.
posted by Jalliah at 8:19 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


Democrats have basic fact problem, PredictWise, David Rothschild
We ran a new PredictWise/Pollfish Poll on facts about politics on January 26, 2017 and found that Republican talking points are much more salient than Democratic talking points. This is not a story about partisan asymmetry around what people believe (although that exists), but about how Democrats also believe key false talking points from the Republicans, while there is little evidence of the reverse.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 8:20 PM on February 2 [19 favorites]


Former Norwegian Prime Minister held for questioning at Dulles Airport. He was held for an hour because he's previously visited Iran.

[Real], not [Netflix]
posted by snuffleupagus at 8:22 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


begun the tradewars has:

finally, all that time spent in bbs doors is gonna pay off
posted by entropicamericana at 8:22 PM on February 2 [14 favorites]


begun the tradewars has

Raising rates is almost certainly for internal economic management, not trade competitiveness. If anything, they would be lowering rates to weaken the yuan, if it were about trade.
posted by Coventry at 8:22 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


begun the tradewars has:
China Increases interest rates in open market


speaking of China, the Major Foreign Holders report has been updated for November 2016 and it appears that China has continued to sell off their US debt holdings.
posted by indubitable at 8:23 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


Is it wrong that I am rooting for China lately as the last best hope of Mankind?

I don't know about wrong but it's strange that you think there has to be a Good Guy in all of this. It's totally possible that everybody is horrible.
posted by indubitable at 8:25 PM on February 2 [57 favorites]


Don't know much about how it works but I've read military people say that it's serious and could mean these guys get in a lot of trouble.

Pretty much. It's utterly indisputable partisan political activity on active duty, so there are potential charges under titles 10, 2, and 18, United States Code as well as DoD directive 1344.10 as the implementation of that. I would also imagine that there's going to be a very strong view right now that the military shouldn't be seen to be partisan. At the very least I would imagine it's going to result in a quite impressive bollocking. It's also a bit too public to let drop, and if it is just never heard of again I'll wince considerably.
posted by jaduncan at 8:25 PM on February 2 [15 favorites]




Self care department: I scored a camping reservation for Havasupai today. Waiting to hear on a Grand Canyon permit for June. Speaking from recent experience, going backpacking for a night or two somewhere where there is no cell reception whatsoever is fantastic for you. You kinda forget about politics for a bit and you find that you don't really miss being able to get online. Hikes and workouts have given me some nice breaks from all the evil going on.
posted by azpenguin at 8:29 PM on February 2 [16 favorites]




It's utterly indisputable partisan political activity on active duty, so there are various potential charges.

Is it, when it's the CiC 12 days in?
posted by corb at 8:30 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


Where's that in the UCMJ?
posted by snuffleupagus at 8:32 PM on February 2


Is it, when it's the CiC 12 days in?

trump reelection campaign is already filed.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 8:34 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


If you think troops participating in Trumps election campaign now is shocking now wait till they open fire on the in the polling queues!
posted by Artw at 8:35 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


Is it, when it's the CiC 12 days in?

Can you explain what this means?
posted by Jalliah at 8:36 PM on February 2


Trump will sign executive orders tomorrow at noon.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:37 PM on February 2


Where's that in the UCMJ?

Aside from Article 92 for the orders violation?
posted by jaduncan at 8:37 PM on February 2


And urging others to boycott the USA for academic conferences.
I can't really argue with this in principle, but it's probably worth pointing out that the Trump administration has basically declared war on American higher ed. Punishing American academia is not exactly going to bother the Trumpies.


Yeah, except that it's not intended as a punishment, but rather to ensure that Muslims from affected countries (and people who worry about the Trump government having their fingerprints and so on on file) are still able to attend their professional organisations' meetings. Of course, holding the conferences elsewhere means that Muslims from the affected countries who are based in the USA can't attend or they might not be able to get back in, which sucks too.
posted by lollusc at 8:37 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


Is it, when it's the CiC 12 days in?

Can you explain what this means?


Can you support the new Commander in Chief via a flag with his name on without it being politically partisan?
posted by jaduncan at 8:38 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


Aside from Article 92 for the orders violation?

I'm talking about the '12 day' rule, whichever way that's supposed to cut. It's a campaign sign.
posted by snuffleupagus at 8:38 PM on February 2


Where's that in the UCMJ?

DOD Directive 1344.10
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:40 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


I'm not sure that actually covers this, possibly because it's so astoundingly stupid no one thought there needed to be a reg for it. Maybe there's another one, and there is a catch-all provision in there.

But I'm pretty sure the idea that you can deck out military vehicles in campaign signs once the election is two weeks old isn't going to pass muster. As it were.
posted by snuffleupagus at 8:44 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]



Oh wow. I skimmed over parts of the thread I missed and kept seeing jokes on social media about some Bowling Green Massacre (which I never heard of). I just saw the whole story and wow.

Just wow.
And for good measure..

WTF?

Will the media ever just stop talking to this woman?
posted by Jalliah at 8:45 PM on February 2 [15 favorites]


Trump will sign executive orders tomorrow at noon.

I hate how this makes me feel so scared.
posted by yasaman at 8:45 PM on February 2 [28 favorites]


I'm not sure that actually covers this, possibly because it's so astoundingly stupid no one thought there needed to be a reg for it. Maybe there's another one, and there is a catch-all provision in there.

Yes. In 1344.10 you aren't even allowed to have a large political banner or similar on your private car.

Relevant: "4.1.5. Activities not expressly prohibited may be contrary to the spirit and intent of this Directive. Any activity that may be reasonably viewed as directly or indirectly associating the Department of Defense or the Department of Homeland Security (in the case of the Coast Guard) or any component of these Departments with a partisan political activity or is otherwise contrary to the spirit and intention of this Directive shall be avoided."

If you aren't allowed it on your private car, the chances that the court are going to think that the spirit of the directive means that you're allowed it on your military vehicle are approximately zero.
posted by jaduncan at 8:47 PM on February 2 [10 favorites]


Right, that's the catch-all. I'm wondering if there's regs or orders on how vehicles are to be maintained that might be roped in, but I'm hardly a military person.
posted by snuffleupagus at 8:48 PM on February 2


It's quite possible this will be the worst executive order yet. And that's saying something given the Muslim ban.
posted by Justinian at 8:48 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


DOD Directive 1344.10
4.1.2. A member of the Armed Forces on active duty shall not:
...
4.1.2.10. March or ride in a partisan political parade.

4.1.2.11. Display a large political sign, banner, or poster (as distinguished from a bumper sticker) on a private vehicle.

4.1.2.12. Display a partisan political sign, poster, banner, or similar device visible to the public at one’s residence on a military installation, even if that residence is part of a privatized housing development.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 8:49 PM on February 2 [9 favorites]




Yes, I read it. You might be surprised to hear that legal rules are read and applied rather legalistically. 4.1.5 is strongest in there.
posted by snuffleupagus at 8:50 PM on February 2


Trump will sign executive orders tomorrow at noon.

I hate how this makes me feel so scared.


i just want him to get the shitty hateful ones over with so he can move on to the really deranged and psychotic ones that historians will still be mocking in 2000 years instead of discussing seriously, like where he declares himself the pope of america or passes a law saying all men have to wear a trump face mask while getting laid
posted by poffin boffin at 8:53 PM on February 2 [16 favorites]


4.1.1.4. Serve as an election official, if such service is not as a representative of a
partisan political party, does not interfere with the performance of military duties, is performed
when not in uniform, and the Secretary concerned has given prior approval.
Who is the "Secretary concerned"?
posted by Coventry at 8:53 PM on February 2


im not even gonna apologize for that mental image, one must expect such atrocities in wartime
posted by poffin boffin at 8:54 PM on February 2 [23 favorites]


Right, that's the catch-all. I'm wondering if there's regs or orders on how vehicles are to be maintained that might be roped in, but I'm hardly a military person.

I'm sure. I doubt anyone will bother with more than the 1344.10/Art 92 violation on this, though. If the point of the charge is messaging, the charges around keeping a vehicle poorly don't really give the prosecutor what they want.
posted by jaduncan at 8:57 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


passes a law saying all men have to wear a trump face mask while getting laid

PB, I usually 1000% love your comments, but now I have to live with this image.... And all I can say is aaaaaarrrggghhh.
posted by susiswimmer at 8:57 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


Who is the "Secretary concerned"?

I think it's the Sec. of Defense but it might mean the service branch Secretaries.
posted by snuffleupagus at 8:57 PM on February 2


We have always been at war with Bowling Green.
posted by tonycpsu at 8:58 PM on February 2 [27 favorites]


I may have stumbled upon a winning daily action plan for red-staters:

Business hours: call local and Washington offices for your R Senators about the action of the day (DeVos, Sessions, etc).

After business hours: call all but one of their other offices, leave a message and tell them you couldn't get through to local office but you oppose DeVos/Sessions/Bannon/ Etc.

Call your blue-island congressperson and leave a message to thank them for their work.

Late night: after a sufficient number of whiskey drinks, call that one random Senator office you didn't contact earlier and let them know how you really feel about x, y, and z. Then drink some water and take a multivitamin and go to bed, because the fight needs you tomorrow.
posted by ghharr at 8:58 PM on February 2 [29 favorites]


Who is the "Secretary concerned"?

Each service ("Military Departments", as they're called in paragraph 2) -- that is, Army, Navy, Air Force -- has a Secretary who reports to the SecDef. Plus the Secretary of Homeland Security runs the Coast Guard.

(Marines are under SecNav.)
posted by Etrigan at 8:59 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


passes a law saying all men have to wear a trump face mask while getting laid

Well, this perspective actually makes the circulated draft of an EO making it illegal for single women to have sex suddenly more appealing to me.
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 9:01 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


PB, I usually 1000% love your comments, but now I have to live with this image.... And all I can say is aaaaaarrrggghhh.

Also, it only applies to men whose partners merit a six or above.

Signed,
A Profoundly Relieved Four
posted by mochapickle at 9:01 PM on February 2 [17 favorites]



Shouting match over Russia erupts at House hearing
A routine House Oversight Committee hearing Thursday turned into a shouting match between the Republican chairman and the ranking Democrat over Russian interference in the presidential election.

In a fight that exposed bitter frustration amongst Democrats that Republicans have kept the issue locked in a single committee — the Intelligence Committee in both chambers — lawmakers sparred over whether Oversight should conduct a public investigation into last year's cyberattack that stole information from the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC).

“It’s clear that politics have prevented this committee from being willing or able to do the necessary objective and nonpartisan oversight on the Russian attack,” said Rep. Robin Kelly (D-Ill.).

The chairman, Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), argued that studying sources and methods used to draw an intelligence conclusion is the jurisdiction of the Intelligence Committee and, further, that it would be “inappropriate” for Oversight to “dive into the private systems of a political party.”

Democrats weren’t satisfied.

posted by Jalliah at 9:03 PM on February 2 [15 favorites]


Is there any legal reason that 4.1.4 is not folded in to the beginning of 4.1.2? 4.1.4 basically says. "Actually, it's OK to do everything in 4.1.2, provided you're not in uniform or otherwise suggesting official military support for your candidate/cause." It's a very confusing arrangement.
posted by Coventry at 9:04 PM on February 2


Anyway, glad to have finally read the authoritative regulations on this, along with all the commentary, here.
posted by Coventry at 9:08 PM on February 2


4.1.4 is about non-active duty and addresses application of 4.1.1 and 4.1.2 both, which would otherwise only apply to active duty. It expressly forbids wearing the uniform or doing anything to suggest official support or affiliation while doing anything in either category. That's why it's organized that way.
posted by snuffleupagus at 9:11 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


Never forget! #PrayForBowlingGreen
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 9:11 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


Question for the group: have the cities in American that have been hit by radical islamic terrorists (New York, Boston, Orlando, etc) seen huge calls for bans on Muslims? I'm thinking the answer is no, but can't say for sure.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 9:12 PM on February 2


Is there any legal reason that 4.1.4 is not folded in to the beginning of 4.1.2?

That's a pretty standard military way of laying things out -- first the rule, then the exceptions.
posted by Etrigan at 9:13 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


It was at the end of a long day and he was tired and fatigue was setting in. He was an old man who sat behind a desk in the Oval Office and he had gone two days now without signing an executive order.
posted by perhapses at 9:14 PM on February 2 [11 favorites]


Shouting match over Russia erupts at House hearing

I'm glad to see that -- as usual -- the focus is on the behavior and not the content: Republicans are perfectly content with ignoring Russian interference in the election, because paying attention to Democratic concerns is beneath them.
posted by steady-state strawberry at 9:15 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), I actually liked you for almost a whole day.
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 9:18 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


I don't appreciate all the jokes about The Bowling Green massacre when people say it looked like 1.5 million died or something. #NeverForgetBowlingGreen
posted by bongo_x at 9:19 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


Hopefully Chaffetz was getting irritated because the flooding in of the bees is very irritating.
So many bees.
posted by Going To Maine at 9:19 PM on February 2 [13 favorites]


“It’s clear that politics have prevented this committee from being willing or able to do the necessary objective and nonpartisan oversight on the Russian attack,” said Rep. Robin Kelly (D-Ill.).

The chairman, Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), argued that studying sources and methods used to draw an intelligence conclusion is the jurisdiction of the Intelligence Committee and, further, that it would be “inappropriate” for Oversight to “dive into the private systems of a political party.”


I can't even imagine how infuriating it would be to be the ranking Democrat on a shitshow Chaffetz investigative committee. Cheers to you for holding the line, Rep. Kelly.
posted by jason_steakums at 9:21 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


I suppose I have to thank Kellyanne for this nights amusement #bowlinggreenmassacre is hilarious.
posted by Jalliah at 9:23 PM on February 2 [10 favorites]


Funny enough I lived in Bowling Green for a year. It was terrible. This is deeply weird for me.
posted by T.D. Strange at 9:24 PM on February 2


Can you support the new Commander in Chief via a flag with his name on without it being politically partisan?

Speaking as a civilian, I don't think the military should ever be supporting the Commander in Chief. Their loyalty, as with all public servants, should be to the country, not to the head of state. Americans do not bow before kings.
posted by biogeo at 9:35 PM on February 2 [42 favorites]


Question for the group: have the cities in American that have been hit by radical islamic terrorists (New York, Boston, Orlando, etc) seen huge calls for bans on Muslims? I'm thinking the answer is no, but can't say for sure.

Shit Giuliani himself stood in front of the UN and talked tolerance after 9/11*, before his soul was completely devoured by whatever lives behind his eyes these days. Our NYC Dems in Congress are made of some substantially stronger stuff than me if they can listen to Republicans lecturing them about terrorism without smashing the Senate Cabinet Shop's finest chairs over some heads.

*it's been good decade since I read the speech and my mind is reeling trying to reconcile it with the Giuliani of today.
posted by jason_steakums at 9:37 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


Americans do not bow before kings.

They do before Tsars though.
posted by T.D. Strange at 9:37 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


Oh god help us. Milo Yiannopoulos says he’s going to the White House press briefing [tomorrow]

Spicer has yet to confirm, and I can't find a scheduled time for the briefing yet.
posted by zachlipton at 9:39 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


susiswimmer > PB, I usually 1000% love your comments, but now I have to live with this image.... And all I can say is aaaaaarrrggghhh.

Acceptable collateral damage. [so asmaned. okay, not ashamed]
posted by Enturbulated at 9:40 PM on February 2


Spicer has yet to confirm, and I can't find a scheduled time for the briefing yet.

Friday. 12:30pm Eastern. If Milo is there, sob.
posted by zachlipton at 9:43 PM on February 2


Oh god help us. Milo Yiannopoulos says he’s going to the White House press briefing [tomorrow]

Spicer has yet to confirm, and I can't find a scheduled time for the briefing yet.


Spicer said in today's briefing that he wouldn't be there tomorrow. Maybe this administration is going to have guest hosts like talk show's sometimes do?
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 9:46 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


Maybe it's Omarosa's turn?
posted by mochapickle at 9:47 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


They are spitting in our faces now with Milo. The entire press corps should refuse to attend. But they won't, of course.

$10 that Milo will be press secretary when Trump tires of Spicer.
posted by gatorae at 9:48 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


So, random insight into how bad it's gotten, how fast: I saw, on facebook, that Revolution Brewing in Chicago is celebrating their 7th anniversary with a benefit for the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant Refugee Rights. I would love to go, but Japan is kind of far. I asked a younger coworker, who is also from Chicago, if he'd heard of Revolution in Chicago.

He was a bit confused, then told me that at first, he'd thought I was talking about a revolution having actually started in Chicago, and that he wasn't all that surprised, really. So, yeah. I guess I'm kind of in the same boat. If there were news of an actual revolt against the Trump regime, I'm pretty sure disbelief wouldn't even rank in the top five of my reactions.

If you haven't had it, the Eugene Porter is pretty awesome.
posted by Ghidorah at 9:49 PM on February 2 [15 favorites]


Regarding motives for China raising rates:

Haidi Lun 伦海迪 ‏@HaidiLun
Drivers for PBOC policy shift: growth on track, factory prices reflating, lowering real borrowing costs (1-yr rate -1.2% from 10.7% in '15)


OTOH, Alexander Dugin tweets this Russian article, which speculates that other countries are raising their rates because Trump is brow-beating them, and that he's going to have a hard time with this strategy over the long-term, unless he can establish better control over the Fed.
posted by Coventry at 9:50 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


The most recent schedule seems to have reversed Spicer on the whole "no briefing tomorrow" thing (proving, once again, his untrustworthiness even on the most basic of matters). Whether he and/or Milo actually shows up is a mystery we'll have to discover together tomorrow, if we can stomach it.
posted by zachlipton at 9:52 PM on February 2


$10 that Milo will be press secretary when Trump tires of Spicer.

Yiannopolous is a (sadly potent) columnist, not a flack. He has no interest in a lesser position.
posted by Going To Maine at 9:52 PM on February 2


I mean, if there is revolution in Chicago, we could do worse than having Ghidorah show up.
posted by biogeo at 9:56 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


Are you kidding? Milo has never been anything but a flack and he would sell his left nut for a position that puts him on TV all the time saying whatever he wants.
posted by SakuraK at 9:58 PM on February 2 [17 favorites]


Yiannopolous is a (sadly potent) columnist, not a flack. He has no interest in a lesser position.

I wonder how Sleeping Giants is going with its campaign to starve Breitbart of ad dollars. Maybe it will fold, and Milo can go on to his racist destiny gorging himself at the Trump trough.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 9:59 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


perhapses: "It was at the end of a long day and he was tired and fatigue was setting in. He was an old man who sat behind a desk in the Oval Office and he had gone two days now without signing an executive order."

The struggle is real.
posted by Rhaomi at 10:03 PM on February 2 [3 favorites]


vbfg: “Wait calmly
After I posted this article in another conference this evening, I was informed by an admitted member of the bar whom I've known for 20 years that it's fake news. That bothered me more than the article did.
posted by ob1quixote at 10:06 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


MetaFilter: I would imagine it's going to result in a quite impressive bollocking
posted by kirkaracha at 10:10 PM on February 2


Yiannopolous is a (sadly potent) columnist, not a flack. He has no interest in a lesser position.

Also a foreign national banned from twitter for making threats against American citizens. I think this bears repeating every time the Republicans want to bring him up.
posted by Zalzidrax at 10:10 PM on February 2 [70 favorites]


So Kellyanne is making up massacres and Trump speaks in present tense to heroes long dead. This is stupid reality TV.

You know what would be good reality TV? If Kellyanne showed up for her next interview at CNN with her next junior high fiction story and there were *no cameras* when she read it out loud for praise. Can you imagine the hissy fit? When that episode gets broadcast the secret hidden camera footage will be the best.
posted by SakuraK at 10:12 PM on February 2 [1 favorite]


How the fuck are you people not twitching on this fractal zoom of crazy yet?
posted by Burhanistan at 10:14 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


Milo's book is currently #1 rated on Amazon. I checked on the category, expecting it to be something small. The category is books. [soon-to-fluctuate source Amazon link] The chances that Milo stops trolling for commercial reasons are approximately zero, no matter how many people get beaten or shot.
posted by jaduncan at 10:27 PM on February 2 [11 favorites]


Politicsfilter: twitching on fractal zoom of crazy
posted by Fish, fish, are you doing your duty? at 10:27 PM on February 2 [6 favorites]


Revolution in Chicago........somehow, that thought will help me sleep easier tonight (on Chicago's north side)....I have to say, now when I hear sirens I think "How many are there? What direction are they going in/coming from? Is it the invasion?" Revolution....that's proactive. I like proactive. And then I think sh!t, this is what I am really thinking, this isn't a wise-ass response (looks out window as sirens go by....)
posted by W Grant at 10:29 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


Sounds like the EOs tomorrow are some Wall Street bullshit including the start of a dismantling of Dodd-Frank.
Asked about the potential political pushback because of his Wall Street past, Mr. Cohn said the administration’s goal of deregulating financial markets “has nothing to do with Goldman Sachs.”

“It has nothing to do with J.P. Morgan,” he said. “It has nothing to do with Citigroup. It has nothing to do with Bank of America. It has to do with being a player in a global market where we should, could and will have a dominant position as long as we don’t regulate ourselves out of that.”
So hey, expect favorability of Wall Street and globalization to make a quick turnaround among Trump voters just like Putin did.
posted by jason_steakums at 10:37 PM on February 2 [5 favorites]


Recall uproar when Obama weighed in on Harvard historian Skip Gates' run-in w/police. Now think: Trump has intervened for Milo Yiannopoulos.

Just a note, because I've seen a bunch of people comment on this kind of thing. But the difference here, I think, is that Obama cared what was said about him and what people thought. He genuinely wanted people to like him so that he could bring them along with him into the new era of bipartisan solutions.

Trump doesn't care. He doesn't for a single second pretend to care. The only thing he (and/or his inner circle) care about is "can you stop me"? We're so used to people caring about public perceptions that we're finding our system has very little power against someone who won't bow a single inch in the face of negative public reaction.

And yes, I know that Trump does "care" on some level about things like ratings and popular vote. But he (due to his mental abnormalities) doesn't act like most humans as a response. His only tactics are tactics of abuse. An abuser won't start being nice to get their victim to start liking them. They'll just abuse harder in the hopes they beat them down enough to stop complaining.
posted by threeturtles at 10:39 PM on February 2 [29 favorites]


So hey, expect favorability of Wall Street and globalization to make a quick turnaround among Trump voters just like Putin did.

It is, of course, worth remembering that Trump voters were on average wealthier than Clinton voters and by no means confined to the working class.
posted by Going To Maine at 10:39 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


If you have any heart for people of faith and want to pee your pants in rage and sadness, feel free to contrast and compare Obama's Prayer Breakfast speech with Trump's Prayer Breakfast speech.
posted by redsparkler at 10:42 PM on February 2 [11 favorites]


passes a law saying all men have to wear a trump face mask while getting laid

That may actually be worse than the worst case stuff I've been imagining in my head.

Okay, not really because people aren't dead in that, but close.
posted by jenfullmoon at 10:51 PM on February 2


How the fuck are you people not twitching on this fractal zoom of crazy yet?

I'm drunk.
posted by kirkaracha at 10:52 PM on February 2 [20 favorites]


I feel comfortable having told Harris yes, I am interested in running for public office. I mean, a year ago my history would've made my participation unthinkable. But the bar is so low now, why don't we all just trudge across it? Just to see what happens?
posted by The Noble Goofy Elk at 10:52 PM on February 2 [16 favorites]


How the fuck are you people not twitching on this fractal zoom of crazy yet?

im having all the nerves in my body burned away one by one so i can never feel anything ever again
posted by poffin boffin at 10:54 PM on February 2 [14 favorites]


Milo is probably going to bitch about his verified check mark on Twitter being taken away again.
posted by PenDevil at 10:54 PM on February 2


afterwards i will ideally be given a robot arm for doing crimes
posted by poffin boffin at 10:55 PM on February 2 [20 favorites]




WTF?

Will the media ever just stop talking to this woman?
posted by Jalliah at 8:45 PM on February 2 [3 favorites +] [!]


We know the disqualifying offenses for a moderate woman participating in politics: staying married to a philandering politician and having emails. What I want to know is what are the disqualifying offenses for a conservative woman participating in politics? This one is BFFs with an avowed rapist, still has her emails on a non-sanctioned RNC server, and she's a lying mean horrible caricature of a useful human being.

So Comey and the FBI will be showing up soon to put Kellyanne in her place, right?
posted by SakuraK at 10:58 PM on February 2 [4 favorites]


im having all the nerves in my body burned away one by one so i can never feel anything ever again

I did that. We called it "working on the Howard Dean campaign."
posted by darkstar at 11:00 PM on February 2 [20 favorites]


So Comey and the FBI will be showing up soon to put Kellyanne in her place, right?


i want her taint to suddenly become irresistible to giant furious immortal hornets
posted by poffin boffin at 11:00 PM on February 2 [12 favorites]


This piece has shown up on MeFi a bunch of times, but I don't believe it's popped up in any of the election/presidential threads: This administration has me thinking a lot about sick systems. I think it goes some way to explain why DJT had anybody working for him even in the years before he ran for president and why the GOP establishment continues to fawn on him now. Unfortunately it's a sick system for us too, and not a relationship or job we can leave, but I'm sharing it here on the off chance it will give somebody some context and vocabulary for the ongoing mindfucks of the shit firehose.

FWIW, DJT's sad attempt to impose a sick system has backfired gloriously, galvanizing a resistance who recognize this bullshit and promptly built a community to ensure nobody has to stand for it, or go it alone.

Thank you all for being here. You've kept me sane, given my cynical ass hope, and inspired me to do what little I can.
posted by Fish, fish, are you doing your duty? at 11:00 PM on February 2 [12 favorites]


How the fuck are you people not twitching on this fractal zoom of crazy yet?

I am a devout Discordian, and in between bouts of panic, I am saying "hail Eris hail Eris hail Eris I have seen the fnords hail Eris hail Eris" and flipping through my Principia and re-reading the Sermon on Ethics and Love.

It is not comforting, except in the sense of being aware we don't need any divine assistance to reach this point of self-destruction.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 11:03 PM on February 2 [10 favorites]


America’s Leading Authoritarian Intellectual Is Working for Trump
The most intellectually important essay of the 2016 election cycle, and possibly of the whole political era that has begun, is “The Flight 93 Election.” Its previously anonymous author turns out to be former Bush administration speechwriter Michael Anton, reports Michael Warren. Anton is now working as a senior national security official in the Trump administration. Anton’s role in the administration lends his signature essay all the more importance as a statement of Trumpism. The essay has many interesting aspects, which made it the subject of fervent debate during the election. But its most notable characteristic is its almost textbook justification for authoritarianism.
...
Anton describes the government (pre-Trump) as “the junta.” This cannot be dismissed as mere rhetorical exaggeration. To Anton, the rising share of the nonwhite population is a foreign invasion: “The ceaseless importation of Third World foreigners with no tradition of, taste for, or experience in liberty means that the electorate grows more left, more Democratic, less Republican, less republican, and less traditionally American with every cycle,” he writes. He describes the children of immigrants as “ringers to form a permanent electoral majority.” The racial and political implications of this argument are both clear and extreme: Anton believes the white Republican base is the only legitimate governing coalition. Democratic governments are inherently illegitimate by dint of their racial cast.
This is horrifying. Even with all the incredible awfulness that 2016 entailed, the Flight 93 Election essay was one of the most horrible things to come out of campaign season, and here's the guy working for the White House.
posted by zachlipton at 11:03 PM on February 2 [62 favorites]


But the bar is so low now, why don't we all just trudge across it? Just to see what happens?

I really don't want to find out the hard way what would happen. I wish all of you luck on that, but oh dear god, no for me in this day and age.

ErisLordFreedom, I think I like your method.
posted by jenfullmoon at 11:04 PM on February 2


Weird reports (1, 2, 3, 4) that at least two Secret Service managers were forced to abruptly resign tonight, possibly more, and were escorted out of the building. The report includes speculation that Trump is restructuring the service.
posted by zachlipton at 11:09 PM on February 2 [23 favorites]


How the fuck are you people not twitching on this fractal zoom of crazy yet?

Oh, I totally am. Berkeley is associated with image of people being beaten unconscious (even though I've heard nothing about it outside of right wing circles, no one seems to know anything about it, and the police reported only minor injuries), and now Milo Y's book is #1 on Amazon. I'm trying to take comfort in the thought that anyone who would read his book and think "hmm, yes, these are ideas I can get behind" was not about to donate to CAIR anyway, but it's still massively disheartening to think that he's so much more popular after last night.

I can't drink alcohol anymore because my stomach is messed up, so at this point I'm sort of praying for some sort of P.K. Dick esque sudden revelation that I am actually living in the period immediately after Christ's death, and that the past 2000 years of human history have actually been an illusion created by Satan to tempt me away from salvation. I'm like 80-90% there.
posted by shapes that haunt the dusk at 11:11 PM on February 2 [13 favorites]


Sigh. What fresh dog shit is this? Restructuring the secret service. Good call chief. You have such a great track record. Better start messing with the organization tasked with keeping you alive.
posted by ian1977 at 11:13 PM on February 2 [8 favorites]


I'm sure he's just putting the SS back in secret service.
posted by Joey Michaels at 11:15 PM on February 2 [23 favorites]


Sigh. What fresh dog shit is this? Restructuring the secret service. Good call chief. You have such a great track record. Better start messing with the organization tasked with keeping you alive.

I can't be the only one supporting new innovations in this matter, surely?
posted by jaduncan at 11:31 PM on February 2 [2 favorites]


Ufh. I've gone 2.5 years using the Gold Line train in LA, and today was the first time I experienced overt and physical racism (other than from the ticket checkers, which is another sad story but seems institutional rather than personal). As we were boarding the train tonight at Union Station, an older well-dressed white man physically stopped an older black woman pushing a grandma cart (not a weirdo lady who maybe got too aggressive with her grandma cart, a normal 55-y/o lady!) as she tried to get on the train. He told her that he was going on first, stuck his hand out to stop her in a needlessly forceful way that slammed his palm against the train wall and formed a wall with his arm, and said she couldn't get on until she paid. wtf!? We all paid at the lower level platform! How would he know if she hadn't paid for a ticket, or if she had a monthly pass and didn't need to swipe!!?

We all got on the train and said nothing. A group of 20 cowards, all of us. I felt like an enormous ass - a privileged 30-year old white lady carrying a copy of March in my bag.

But it gets worse. The older lady got visibly agitated, while he just sat there on the train in his j crew jacket and headphones. She tried to confront him and he said "miss, leave me alone" like she was the crazy one. I was super tense, torn between my instincts of "do not engage on public transit" and "what fresh hell is this." After 2 stops she called a conductor, and he started to stiffen up, to go from offense to defense. His whole body language changed.

While she was off the train telling the conductor, another black lady came on, new at that stop. She hadn't seen anything except their bickering, so the new lady tried to smooth it over and justify why the older lady might be upset, even apologizing to the older white guy ("there's a lot of racial tension in the air right now, and maybe she's just feeling it, don't take it personal.") So I finally got over my nerves and said "I saw it. He pushed her. He was really rude to her. She's telling the truth." And then the new black lady was like... "oh what the actual fuck!?" And then another person on the train, who was closer to them during the altercation & saw everything, backed us up. And then the whole train of people turned on him, started telling him to leave the car and calling him an asshole. The conductor never even came in the train, and the older black lady returned solo to an angry car.

The older white dude cowered into himself and stopped putting up a fight. But he never said sorry, even when the old lady came back. And he didn't get off early, or move; he stayed in his seat like he deserved it. He heard me & the other people reporting what we saw, and he never said I was lying. He weakly called another random guy an asshole a few minutes after that guy mildly stood up for the old lady as part of a group, but even that betrayed the rich guy's weakness. The rich guy only called him a name after a long pause during which it seemed like things had calmed down, like he had to steel his nerves. The good guy's gf said, "why are you even talking to him? He barely said anything! Is it just because he's a white guy?!"

I know one incident doesn't mean anything, but that was super super weird and it felt meaningful. And I feel terrible. Everything is bad. The two black ladies talked about how that had never happened to them on the Gold Line before - on other train lines, sure, but not here.

What the actual fuck is happening.
posted by samthemander at 11:36 PM on February 2 [124 favorites]


From Slate, Disorder: The president is violating the court orders against his Muslim ban. Here’s how he’s getting away with it.
“If you would have asked me any time in my life, would we get a president who could absolutely disregard the three-system body that we have in this country, I wouldn’t have believed you,” Goldberg told me when we spoke on Wednesday. “To blatantly disregard a judicial order is for me beyond comprehension.” Fourteen days into the Trump administration, we’re learning the world is daily more full of things previously thought to be beyond comprehension.
posted by mhum at 11:43 PM on February 2 [30 favorites]


How the fuck are you people not twitching on this fractal zoom of crazy yet?

How to Save the World.
posted by Coventry at 11:56 PM on February 2


zachlipton The report includes speculation that Trump is restructuring the service.

I think they mean Bannon is restructuring the service.
posted by vac2003 at 12:51 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


Buried lede in mhum's Slate article: Julie Goldberg, a lawyer from the U.S., is currently in Djibouti where her Yemeni clients have been stranded. The airlines won't return the clients' "passports containing validly issued immigrant visas", as was specifically mandated by the LA court order, nor will the U.S. embassy.

So Goldberg is trying to find a chartered plane instead. If she finds some Han Solo to get them all to the U.S. in under 12 parsecs, are we going to see Trump blow a civilian airliner full of "illegals" out of the sky? Maybe Putin will loan him one of the surface-to-air missile systems the Russians took down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over Ukraine with.
posted by XMLicious at 1:04 AM on February 3 [13 favorites]


Also buried: she wants to crowdfund the charter. Link is in the article.
posted by nat at 1:25 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


What time does sabbath start?
posted by MattWPBS at 1:29 AM on February 3


Fillon's wife is being investigated for financial misdeeds and Wikileaks is dumping material on him. I can't even with the links.

Note that the Wikileaks material on Fillon and Le Pen seems to be pretty weak sauce so far: the credit for Fillon's demise should go to the venerable and highly reliable Canard Enchaîné.
In any case, Fillon's failure at launch is good news, sort of. Sure, it's bad that the main presidential hopeful was caught siphoning public money, but 1) the Lepenistas have their own judiciary/money troubles that force them to keep quiet on the "elites are all rotten" front, and 2) Fillon's implosion opens the door to a more centrist candidate, such as Macron or Juppé who will be more palatable to anyone who isn't a hardcore leftie or far-right supporter. It's really a WTF situation, not unlike the Strauss-Kahn affair in 2011, but it's not the end of the world as far as the French election is concerned.
posted by elgilito at 1:57 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


Don't think this has been posted, I control-effed and all:

Malcolm Turnbull should walk away from the refugee deal

Glad to see Michelle Grattan, grand matriarch of Australian political journalism, weigh in on this.
It’s the last thing Malcolm Turnbull would want to do, or will do. But what he should do is walk away from the deal he struck with the Obama administration for the US to take refugees from Nauru and Manus Island.

He should then persuade his cabinet to grant a one-off amnesty, and let these people settle in Australia.

It would be a drastic and, for many in the government, a deeply unpalatable course. But the road Turnbull now has Australia travelling – that of the supplicant – is against our national interest.
posted by valetta at 2:38 AM on February 3 [27 favorites]


elgilito:

Out of curiosity... I have an ongoing theory that an important factor in the electoral upheavals we've seen recently is what I call the Votey McVoteface Factor - an electorate that has come to believe their vote has no significance whatsoever find that if they can call press the button for what Authority tells them is the most ridiculous option at the same time, they can make the ridiculous happen. The first example, as you'll remember, being the case of the public vote to name a ship - the Powers That Be wanted to call it the David Attenborough, the public voted for Boaty McBoatface and the Powers That Be went with The David Attenborough anyway. The lesson from that was that you could vote for the ridiculous thing and it wouldn't matter because actually your vote didn't have any significance.

The next step was Jeremy Corbyn - his election the first time round (the second was different) was classic Votey McVoteface. A significant number of people voted for him because people in authority told them they couldn't, so voting for him was sticking two fingers up at precisely those people. The possibility of his election also held out the promise of a kind of reset button: if you pick up the world and shake it, everything will come down differently, which might be better, but if things stay the same they definitely won't be. Brexit was a similar thing, and Trump. Not the whole story, but a significant factor in the story, that manages to tip the situation over the edge.

For me, the thing about Le Pen is that while she definitely ticks all the boxes for right-wing populism, and she has a significant advantage in being the anti-austerity, anti-neoliberal candidate (though it's odd to think of fascism in terms of anti-neoliberalism) she doesn't have the Votey McVoteface factor - she's already a completely known force, possibly to the point of boredom. Whereas someone like Macron has some Votey McVoteface potential - coming out of nowhere, apparently, seemingly unaligned to the traditional parties (or at least that's the story as far as I've absorbed it).

?
posted by Grangousier at 2:38 AM on February 3 [30 favorites]


We're living in bizarro world. You don't even need to stage a Reichstag fire anymore... you simply have to say there was a fire in the Reichstag. And your Fox News watching racist dummos will believe there was a fire in the Reichstag and lets get our war on.

There's apparently no such thing as reality now.
posted by Justinian at 2:44 AM on February 3 [55 favorites]


The next step was Jeremy Corbyn - his election the first time round (the second was different) was classic Votey McVoteface

This is a pretty bold claim presented with little evidence to support it, and also my goodness I wish people would drop that phrase
posted by ominous_paws at 2:48 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


Brianna Wu Is Here, Queer and Running for Congress in Massachusetts
How have you begun the process of running for office?

BW: I knew if I called the local Democratic party and told them I wanted to run for office, they’d steer me towards local races and tell me to wait my turn for congress. Like all institutions of power, the Democratic party is most interested in maintaining itself, and they’re not going to encourage one of their house members to get primaried.
I’m about to use a word a politician probably shouldn’t, but the hell with that. The guy I’m going against is everything broken in the Democratic party. He’s a 62-year-old white guy that’s spent most of his career fighting gay rights and women’s rights. Do you know he once introduced an amendment to give people that committed hate crimes against LGBT people a get-out-of-jail-free card if they were found to have acted “lasciviously”? This is the guy I’m supposed to wait to get bored in the Trump era? Give me a break.
posted by moody cow at 3:00 AM on February 3 [129 favorites]


I’m about to use a word a politician probably shouldn’t, but the hell with that. The guy I’m going against is everything broken in the Democratic party. He’s a 62-year-old white guy that’s spent most of his career fighting gay rights and women’s rights. Do you know he once introduced an amendment to give people that committed hate crimes against LGBT people a get-out-of-jail-free card if they were found to have acted “lasciviously”? This is the guy I’m supposed to wait to get bored in the Trump era? Give me a break.

Well, she'd have my vote. Takes no shit about equality, and is likely to actually stand up for things.

Also, just after that:

"In the Trump era there’s no room for benchwarmers. Seven out of nine of our representatives are white men in a supposedly progressive state. I think we can find room for a feisty feminist."

Hell yes.

"It’s hard to overstate the value of having LGBT people in Congress. I will fight for you in a way the rest of them won’t. I hope some of your readers that are just as mad as I am run for office alongside me."

Hell yessier. The further I went down that article, the more enthusiastic I got. I hope very hard that she wins.
posted by jaduncan at 3:11 AM on February 3 [41 favorites]


Had the unearthly conversation with SO about what would trigger our leaving. I have a bad graveyard sense of humor and wondered aloud if Philly would be within the blast radius of whatsoever. And then I backed down saying something like, *of course I don't really think that will happen I mean we got through the Cold War*'

And my SO described Canada as a good place to be if WWIII broke out, because of some northern air something something something.

And I wanted to make some joke about better to be incinerated than to freeze one's ass off with the cannibalistic remains of humanity but it's like that's not so much comic hyperbole as it is in bad taste, given the context of the moment.
posted by angrycat at 3:15 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


but it's like that's not so much comic hyperbole as it is in bad taste, given the context of the moment.

Gallows humour.
posted by mushhushshu at 3:40 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


An abuser won't start being nice to get their victim to start liking them. They'll just abuse harder in the hopes they beat them down enough to stop complaining.

This is an important point. In fact, with a guy like Trump, humiliation is likely to make him act out more aggressively, too. He won't feel an urge to reconcile or cover his embarrassment by being ingratiating or apologetic, this comment has it exactly right: his own feelings of shame will seem like an outside enemy attacking him to him, because it's the nature of his disorder that he dissociates himself from his own feelings of guilt and shame because the capacity for guilt only seems like a weakness used to control and manipulate lesser people to someone with Trump's psychological issues.
posted by saulgoodman at 3:41 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]


He can't identify with his own negative feelings anymore because that's what losers do, so in his denial, he lashes out at anything that reminds him of those loser feelings his self identity won't allow him to own and feel as his own.
posted by saulgoodman at 3:44 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


Apparently, first thing this morning, the Apprentice is more urgent to Trump than sabre rattling about Iran and talking about how great the US will be.
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Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 5m5 minutes ago
Meeting with biggest business leaders this morning. Good jobs are coming back to U.S., health care and tax bills are being crafted NOW!

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 12m12 minutes ago
Thank you to Prime Minister of Australia for telling the truth about our very civil conversation that FAKE NEWS media lied about. Very nice!

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 18m18 minutes ago
Iran is playing with fire - they don't appreciate how "kind" President Obama was to them. Not me!
3,055 replies 4,687 retweets 10,950 likes

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 22m22 minutes ago
Yes, Arnold Schwarzenegger did a really bad job as Governor of California and even worse on the Apprentice...but at least he tried hard!
posted by bootlegpop at 3:48 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


FWIW, DJT's sad attempt to impose a sick system has backfired gloriously, galvanizing a resistance who recognize this bullshit and promptly built a community to ensure nobody has to stand for it, or go it alone.

Yet, once Dear Leader is gone, so shall most of this resistance.

The Blue has existed long enough to have watched things that were "resisted" under Bush II become accepted under Obama and would be "resisted" once things actually get underway under Dear Leader. (Unless the overton window has more visual opacity than a border fence)
posted by rough ashlar at 3:52 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


We ran a new PredictWise/Pollfish Poll on facts about politics on January 26, 2017 and found that Republican talking points are much more salient than Democratic talking points. This is not a story about partisan asymmetry around what people believe (although that exists), but about how Democrats also believe key false talking points from the Republicans, while there is little evidence of the reverse.

Well, not just "false" talking points, either. In this very thread we've had a poster who self-identified as "liberal," yet listed as two of her three concerns "regulatory reform" and "tighter immigration vetting."

Admittedly, this was in the context of identifying areas of common or bipartisan concern, but it really stuck in my craw. Those are manifestly Republican issues, right down to the language used to characterize them, and yet here's someone who no doubt sincerely thinks of herself as a liberal who's chosen to reproduce them.

I'm not a huge fan of Lakoff, but I will say that the enormous infrastructure of think tanks, academic endowments and media outlets available to the right does seem to reliably generate terminology that shrouds profoundly interested policy positions in language that seems on the surface to be the very essence of reasonableness.

After all, what thoughtful person would oppose "regulatory reform"? Who's not "pro-life"? Never mind the obscene realities underlying the anodyne language. These things — the relatively canny use of language, the massive machinery dedicated to the relentless cross-channel repetition of the terms, the discipline and consistency in their use, and the purchase these terms have in minds organically opposed to the policies they denote — strike me as not being unrelated from one another.
posted by adamgreenfield at 4:00 AM on February 3 [33 favorites]




(a story of assholery edited out ) .... What the actual fuck is happening.

Justification for your own personal panopticon.

Pivothead makes some nice glasses and as I tell POC - perfect for wearing and use when interacting with your public officials.
posted by rough ashlar at 4:03 AM on February 3


adamgreenfield, the victory the right won when the labels became pro-life vs pro-choice can't be overstated. For people who think in binary terms, the opposite of anything titled pro-life must be against life.

The ship has sailed, but in terms of linguistic warfare (for hearts and minds), if the left had managed to make the right out to be "anti-choice" and somehow made it stick, I strongly feel that a lot of people towards the middle would be more on the pro-choice side of things. After all, what's more unamerican than people who want to take away people's freedom?

That question worked so much better before January 20th
posted by Ghidorah at 4:14 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]


Re: https://briannawu2018.com

I'm a North Shore Masshole, born and bred. I've never once wanted to live on the South Shore. But I would move there just to vote for her.
posted by danapiper at 4:17 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]


Will this Man Take Down Donald Trump? A very detailed look into NY Attorney General Eric Schneiderman who has investigated, prosecuted, and tormented Donald Trump for his shady business dealings and is leading the resistance of Democratic AGs nationwide.
posted by Glibpaxman at 4:25 AM on February 3 [43 favorites]


More from "alternative facts" land... Senior White House aide Kellyanne Conway tweets: Trump promotes another woman: first female to be second in command at CIA.

Er, no. Not the first female, the second.

The first was in Obama world: Avril Haines was the first woman to hold the position, from 2013-15.
posted by Mister Bijou at 4:44 AM on February 3 [20 favorites]


New Yorker and Vanity Fair Pull Out of Correspondents Dinner Parties: The New Yorker is canceling the kickoff party that it usually holds at the W Hotel, according to a spokeswoman for the magazine, Natalie Raabe. Vanity Fair is pulling out of co-sponsoring the dinner’s most exclusive after-party, a celebrity-studded affair most recently hosted at the French ambassador’s residence that is considered the capital’s hottest ticket of the year.

Vanity Fair’s co-sponsor, Bloomberg L.P., is proceeding with its plans for the party, but no final decision has been made on the event, a spokesman said on Thursday. (Bloomberg has previously sponsored the after-party on its own.)

“We’ve taken a break from the dinner in the past,” Graydon Carter, the editor of Vanity Fair, wrote in an email, adding that he planned to spend the weekend fishing in Connecticut instead

posted by roomthreeseventeen at 4:48 AM on February 3 [27 favorites]


The next step was Jeremy Corbyn - his election the first time round (the second was different) was classic Votey McVoteface.

I disagree. He was voted in as large portions of the electorate feel disenfranchised by the major parties in terms of having anything to vote for as an alternative to the status quo. Labour got so much wrong to 2010 that many people had switched to the Lib Dems, they then felt betrayed by them in the 2010-15 government. Labour didn't have their shit together for 2015. People were looking for anything that looked like an alternative so lots of votes going to UKIP, greens and the SNP. People looked to change Labour from 2015 as a result and that has led us to where we are now, the frankly useless Corbyn, the absence of anything meaningful from the more centrist wing of the Labour party to displace him and somehow the possibility that the LD might actually claw back some votes.
posted by biffa at 4:48 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


....I just had a weird idea for a protest that the women working in the White House could all agree to do (after pre-arranging with HR).

As a protest to the "dress like a woman" rule, they could make Calamity Jane the woman they all dress like.

....Including the 1800's standards of hygiene. No makeup, no hairstyling, very little bathing.

Stink Trump out of office.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:51 AM on February 3 [12 favorites]


@CNNPolitics
BREAKING: The Senate votes to advance Trump's education secretary nominee Betsy DeVos to a final confirmation vote

Super.
posted by argonauta at 4:52 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Donald Trump tweeted: Professional anarchists, thugs and paid protesters are proving the point of the millions of people who voted to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

It is unclear if he just disapproves of the Oxford comma or believes that professional anarchists are both thugs and paid protestors.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 4:53 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]




Professional anarchists, thugs and paid protesters

Ha! He was watching a segment aired an hour or so ago on Fox & Friends
posted by Mister Bijou at 4:57 AM on February 3 [8 favorites]


There are PROFESSIONAL anarchists? Does that mean they're also on Soros' payroll? Are they recruiting? Because I'm starting to wonder if I missed my calling.
posted by Mayor West at 4:58 AM on February 3 [31 favorites]


I cannot understate how major it is that popular backlash has been enough to make Disney and Uber sever their business ties with Cheeto Benito. In less than a week, we managed to drive two separate billion-dollar companies into a blind panic. If there are others who are still willing to publicly ally themselves with the president, I'd say we should push the attack as quickly as we can. I can think of no better way to enrage the man than to make it obvious that he's radioactive as a business partner. Hit him in the wallet, and force an overreaction so egregious that the red state electorate start paying attention.
posted by Mayor West at 5:03 AM on February 3 [92 favorites]


There are PROFESSIONAL anarchists? Does that mean they're also on Soros' payroll? Are they recruiting? Because I'm starting to wonder if I missed my calling.

Nothing says anarchism like doing it on command.
posted by jaduncan at 5:10 AM on February 3 [54 favorites]


Hit him in the wallet, and force an overreaction so egregious that the red state electorate start paying attention.

Do keep in mind that if he suddenly named Disney as a terrorist organization, 1/3 of the country would respond to leaked black-site photos of Goofy with a bag over his head by tweeting LOL LIB TEARS.
posted by Rust Moranis at 5:11 AM on February 3 [11 favorites]


The Koch brothers displeased.
As protesters converged on the nation's airports in late January, a very different sort of resistance was shaping up at a manicured golf resort in Palm Springs, Calif. The billionaire industrialist Charles Koch, perhaps the most influential free-market activist in the nation, stood before 550 like-minded donors to declare his intention to fight key policies of President Donald Trump.

...
posted by sebastienbailard at 5:15 AM on February 3 [18 favorites]


Save us Dr Franken....I mean Charles Koch
posted by ian1977 at 5:17 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]


In remembering the Bowling Green Massacre, we would be remiss if we overlooked the heroic sacrifice of Comrade Ogilvy.
posted by CheesesOfBrazil at 5:18 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


...and Disney's competition in the feature animation field will rename "Despicable Me" as "Deplorable Me". Cha-ching!
posted by oneswellfoop at 5:19 AM on February 3


We're in a grim fucking timeline if the thought even passed through my mind that maybe the Koch brothers were the best hope to save American Democracy.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:21 AM on February 3 [38 favorites]


Please save us, Koch brothers and the CIA and Bill Kristol and Chinese environmentalism!
posted by Rust Moranis at 5:24 AM on February 3 [68 favorites]


The Koch Bros poured millions of dollars into getting Trump elected by financing down ticket GOP candidates (whose voters then pulled the lever for Trump). They are just as complicit as any other big GOP donor.
posted by PenDevil at 5:24 AM on February 3 [21 favorites]


Whelp, I'm no longer in favor of punching Richard Spencer. Now, I'm in favor of having Brad Pitt carve a swastika into his forehead.
posted by snuffleupagus at 5:31 AM on February 3 [32 favorites]


Note: I am in no way actually predicting that the Koch Brothers are going to save us.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 5:33 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]



Conversation this morning. I felt like playing while drinking my wake-up coffee.

Summary:
Me: I support capitalism and the free market. The free flow of capital. Donald doesn't.
Trumpie: Yes he does. He's a businessman he has to be.
Me: No he wants to pass policies and use the government to force US businesses to restrict US business to stay in the US. He's about restricting the free flow of capital.
Trumpie: Good MAGA, blah blah.
Me: So he's national first.
Trumpie : MAGA US first.
Me: So yeah nationalism
Trumpie: MAGA yes, blah blah. So yeah I guess nationalism.
Me: Government restricting and telling business people what to do that's socialism! (I know it's not but I'm was using the air fairy definition that the right uses for socialism as anything the government does to make people do things.
Trumpie and me: Back and forth on a bit. Me: That's socialism! Not true capitalism.
Trumpie: MAGA MAGA. He's right! So whatever socialism.
Me: Okay so he supports National Socialism.
Trumpie: Okay. Fine MAGA America First. If that's what it takes.
Me: National Socialism it is then.
Trumpie: MAGA, whatever he's right. National Socialism
Me in my brain: (OMG head desk. lol. Good lord. Okay now what)
Me: Okay so you know who else was all about National Socialism? (inserts link about National Socialism)
Trumpie: Fuck yooooou. Fuck yoooou. Fuck yoooooou.
Me: Welp I'm done here. Have a nice day.

The end.
posted by Jalliah at 5:34 AM on February 3 [95 favorites]


In remembering the Bowling Green Massacre, we would be remiss if we overlooked the heroic sacrifice of Comrade Ogilvy.

Don't forget the strenuous exertions of Comrade Mather.
posted by adamgreenfield at 5:36 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


Whelp, I'm no longer in favor of punching Richard Spencer. Now, I'm in favor of having Brad Pitt carve a swastika into his forehead.

I have never wanted to punch anyone before today.
posted by INFJ at 5:36 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]


so this re: laurie penny showed up in my feed.
posted by xcasex at 5:39 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


The end.
posted by Jalliah at 13:34

I take it back. We can be snark siblings.
posted by jaduncan at 5:43 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]


We're in a grim fucking timeline if the thought even passed through my mind that maybe the Koch brothers were the best hope to save American Democracy.

Koch brothers: You mean he was being literal? We thought he was just serious. We was just looking at his heart. Oops.
posted by Jalliah at 5:44 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


I'm not the greatest Penny fan, but given the source, I'd imagine that's the most inflammatory and selective reading possible, xcasex
posted by ominous_paws at 5:44 AM on February 3


CBS poll: 40% overall approval, 48% disapproval, and a dismal 36% approval among Independents.
posted by Rust Moranis at 5:45 AM on February 3 [10 favorites]


Well, you have Uber and Disney saying they are pulling out, but how is Thiel doing? any buyer's remorse? Any blowback for the adamant support? Is he a true believer of Trumpistan? Just a money lotioned opportunist?
posted by jadepearl at 5:48 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


I'm not the greatest Penny fan, but given the source, I'd imagine that's the most inflammatory and selective reading possible, xcasex


I have to be fair, i'm treating everything as some kind of misinfo, and relying on the mefi hivemind to help me make sense of it.
posted by xcasex at 5:50 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


Sarah Jones in The New Republic: Donald Trump is No Friend to Veterans
The Military Times reported last November that veterans now comprise roughly one third of the federal workforce—or more than 600,000 positions—a testament to the success of projects like former President Barack Obama’s Veteran Employment Initiative. These job opportunities are critical for veterans, but it also leaves them particularly vulnerable to political turmoil. The GOP-driven budget sequestration in 2013 forced the federal workforce, including veterans, to take pay cuts; it also forced many active-duty servicemembers to leave the service early. For similar reasons, any federal hiring freeze—even a temporary one, like Trump’s executive order—inevitably affects veterans. And though there are exemptions to the 90-day freeze, it’s not yet clear if these exemptions will be enough to mitigate the damage.

“This is going to really impact veterans in a negative way,” Peter Kauffmann, a former U.S. Navy officer and current senior adviser to VoteVets.org, told the New Republic. “By freezing hiring, you’re cutting off one path for veterans leaving military service to transition into civilian life.”

And employment isn’t the only need the hiring freeze will leave unmet. At the VA, Kauffmann said, there are “thousands” of open positions that now will not be filled. “Keeping in mind the devastating impact of PTSD on a generation of veterans? If we can’t staff suicide hotlines this may cost the lives of veterans,” he said. “That’s not hyperbolic. That’s actually true.”
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 5:50 AM on February 3 [33 favorites]


passes a law saying all men have to wear a trump face mask while getting laid

So did anyone else picture the last image in They Live? "What's wrong, baby?"
posted by spitbull at 5:50 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]




Had a few discussions at work, we're being hit hard by russian origin ddos and probes on networking infrastructure both public, private and defense in scandinavia.
also, me and other colleagues and friends are getting 1 call per hour from masked numbers, the sip trunk companies nationally have no registry of the numbers and the swedish PTS (who sip/telcom can buy phoneno series from) have'nt registered the numbers, i.e they're masked.

feeling worried you guys.
posted by xcasex at 5:53 AM on February 3 [25 favorites]


For those interested, after sending out a few dozen posters this week, I've expanded the project a bit.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 5:53 AM on February 3 [17 favorites]


so this re: laurie penny showed up in my feed.

Consider the source.

By my lights, Laurie isn't "normalizing" anything; it seems to me, rather, that she's shedding more light on the MILO phenomenon than just about anybody else on "our side," by doing the difficult work of getting inside the membrane of posturing. Though it's true I wouldn't be able to stomach the proximity nearly as well as she evidently does.

The idea expressed in that comment thread — that despite her long record of solid journalism and advocacy, she's about to execute some kind of binary state transition and come out as a Nazi — isn't merely improbable, it's insulting.
posted by adamgreenfield at 5:54 AM on February 3 [10 favorites]


xcasex I'm worried for you too! I take it that kind of stuff is out of the ordinary? (or have they always been 'around' but seemed to have picked up in intensity lately?)
posted by INFJ at 5:55 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Well, you have Uber and Disney saying they are pulling out, but how is Thiel doing? any buyer's remorse? Any blowback for the adamant support? Is he a true believer of Trumpistan? Just a money lotioned opportunist?

Again, he doesn't even believe that liberty is possible in US democracy post the extension of the franchise to women and provision of a basic welfare net. He is, although in a different way, more outré than Trump.
posted by jaduncan at 5:55 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]




Here is where you can donate to victims of the Bowling Green Massacre. Bowling Green Massacre Victims Fund

Make sure you check out the donation link.
posted by Jalliah at 5:57 AM on February 3 [18 favorites]


I'm really not enjoying this ride and I'd like to get off. I don't want the train to go off-track, I don't want it to slam into a wall, I don't want to melt the tracks. But I'd like to see the instructions for the emergency brake!
posted by dmh at 5:58 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]


xcasex I'm worried for you too! I take it that kind of stuff is out of the ordinary? (or have they always been 'around' but seemed to have picked up in intensity lately?)


we've always seen chinese and russian probes, but russian origin ddos and aggressive probes that take down networks and penetrations are new. so it's increased by a multitude.
posted by xcasex at 6:01 AM on February 3 [12 favorites]


There are no instructions, dmh. Just do the best you can for the folks trapped in the car with you.
posted by notyou at 6:03 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]




The One Russian Linking Putin, Erdogan and Trump

Now they're catching up to something mefi was talking about pre-election.
posted by xcasex at 6:07 AM on February 3 [9 favorites]


> How the fuck are you people not twitching on this fractal zoom of crazy yet?

I've been considering trying out some of the cool drugs that I hear are a lot of fun in the short term but really bad for you, long-term.*

* I am not actually considering this
posted by The Card Cheat at 6:15 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


New article from David Corn in Mother Jones: This Senator Is Hell-Bent on Getting Out the Truth About Trump and Russia
posted by diogenes at 6:15 AM on February 3 [20 favorites]




Ikea responds to the Muslim ban.
posted by Mchelly at 6:15 AM on February 3 [18 favorites]


I want to get people to call my R House member to vote to reverse the immigration order but I can't find anything about a House bill only a Senate bill. Does anyone have the details about any House bill. I assume having something specific is more effective
posted by shothotbot at 6:16 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Damnit. Just when I thought I could escape Ikeas wobbly clutches they drag me back in by being decent.
posted by ian1977 at 6:17 AM on February 3 [8 favorites]


Donald Trump is No Friend to Veterans

Err, what president has? Or more like - when has the Nation?

Aren't the programs that exist due to backlash FROM the lack of support?
posted by rough ashlar at 6:21 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


No kidding, I was kinda dreading purchasing an Ikea couch for some interim couch needs but now I actually feel damnably decent about it.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:22 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


My "paid protester" hashtag prayers were heard by the PA Democratic Party. They started #realPA to clap back at Toomey's "I can't meet with my constituents because too many paid protesters are in the way" bullshit.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:22 AM on February 3 [22 favorites]


The Mother Jones article clarifies that there is an open and active Senate investigation of Trump's ties to Russia and they plan to complete it within three months.
posted by diogenes at 6:23 AM on February 3 [11 favorites]


I have been quibbling about buying a small couch and a couple tables and Ive been weighing my options. I think I will write IKEA and tell them that because of their decency I will be purchasing at least some of those items there. And I will add a PS that I would buy more of their stuff if they would stop with the particle board shit.
posted by ian1977 at 6:27 AM on February 3 [12 favorites]


I had a heated discussion in the car this morning, while my husband and I were driving the kids to daycare (poor kids).

He is flabbergasted at the Bowling Green Massacre claims and just insists that they'll blame the
"error" on something something and move on.

I keep insisting that it's not an error, it's a deliberate lie constructed to justify their horrifying policies on immigration and that there will be no retraction, ever. The people will hear "Bowling Green Massacre" and just accept it as fact and no amount of pushback will move them away from that now established Horrible Event That The Liberals Want To Deny Because They Are Traitors To Our Land. This is how fascism works, husband!

The administration is incompetent, but it is also craven and cunning. Alternative Facts are patently ridiculous but also highly effective in the political framework we are currently trapped in.
posted by lydhre at 6:30 AM on February 3 [37 favorites]


Do we know who is filling in for the Press Secretary today? Because if the EOs are immigration or religious freedom related, holy shit.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:32 AM on February 3


lydhre, it's a move known as the Inverse Sandy Hook.
posted by rp at 6:32 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Yes. They aren't trying to convince us. They are trying to throw red meat to their faithful. It doesn't matter if the meat is greasy compressed sawdust, in the feeding frenzy no one notices.
posted by ian1977 at 6:32 AM on February 3 [14 favorites]


To be clear I am referring to Conway's bowling green massacre....not IKEA particle board furniture.
posted by ian1977 at 6:33 AM on February 3 [17 favorites]


I'm out of the loop. Why would someone need to fill in for Spicer? Is he on vacation already?
posted by ian1977 at 6:34 AM on February 3


via Hallie Jackson at NBC: Announcement re: Iranian sanctions set to happen approx. 10:30A, per senior administration official
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:35 AM on February 3


I'm out of the loop. Why would someone need to fill in for Spicer? Is he on vacation already?

Unclear. At the end of the press conference yesterday, he reminded people that he is "out" on Friday and would see them after the weekend.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:36 AM on February 3


everytime you guys use Conway's phrase you increase her power. Call it something else please?
posted by emjaybee at 6:36 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]


He's gotta go to Costco and load up on a couple more crates of cinnamon gum
posted by Greg Nog at 6:37 AM on February 3 [11 favorites]


To be clear I am referring to Conway's bowling green massacre....not IKEA particle board furniture.

From the midst of the darkness of our days, you alone can elicit a coffee snorting chuckle.
posted by RolandOfEld at 6:37 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


I just heard what Schwarzenegger had to say on twitter to trump. Is he reprising his role as Kindergarten Cop?

I also heard he hung up the phone on the Australian prime-minister. He said on (on twitter!) it was a "dumb deal" to accept some of the refugees we have in detention (prison). This is that weird part of the venn diagram where what Trump thinks is dumb overlaps with what I think is dumb.

I'm proud to be Australian. It's pretty nice here. It's always sunny and the spiders are exaggerated. One thing I am ashamed of is our treatment of refugees, born of racism and xenophobia. It really is a disgrace. We should just let them in.

Instead our plan was to send them to the USA. We made a deal to do it. Does anyone really believe the political climate in the US is very welcoming to refugees?

I don't much like our PM, Malcolm. I will say of him, he has respect. He won't stand in front of a memorial and talk about how popular he is. I don't think he'd hang up the phone in pique when he's talking to one of his allies. Literal ally. We have an alliance.

Maybe we're better off having an alliance with China, Donald.

And while we're talking about a thousand refugees, Germany took in a million. More people washed up on the shores of the Mediterranean, dead, than we have in our prison camps. We don't even need a fucking wall, this is an island. A big island with lots of space. You can take my spare bedroom for as long as you need.

I'm pretty fucking mad he disrespected Australia like this. But I guess I have to join the queue, and it's already very long, with millions of people with deeper grievances and wounds this evil man has caused them.
posted by adept256 at 6:38 AM on February 3 [28 favorites]


New article from David Corn in Mother Jones: This Senator Is Hell-Bent on Getting Out the Truth About Trump and Russia

Wyden might want to get a polonium detector
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:38 AM on February 3 [26 favorites]


(If you're sick of particle board: upscale flatpack.)
posted by notyou at 6:39 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]


I have been quibbling about buying a small couch and a couple tables and Ive been weighing my options. I think I will write IKEA and tell them that because of their decency I will be purchasing at least some of those items there. And I will add a PS that I would buy more of their stuff if they would stop with the particle board shit.

Particle board is lower in cost and allows them to get as much as twice as much product from the same amount of wood. It makes it easier for poorer people to afford reasonable furniture at very little marginal cost to the environment. IKEA have variants of everything for those who want different materials. Don't want a particle board Billy? Get a solid pine Hemnes. It'll cost you twice as much but there are almost always options.

If anything bitch about their routing of profits through family foundations to avoid taxation. That's far more egregious than offering cheap but still fairly durable shit for low income families.
posted by Talez at 6:39 AM on February 3 [30 favorites]




Is there any sort of petition to keep Conway off of the (non-Fox) news? Since apparently seasoned journalists can't handle her?
posted by armacy at 6:40 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Over on the StackExchange network of nerdy Q&A sites, the current top-ranked questions on the Hot Questions list is "Was there a Bowling Green Massacre in 2011?" with actual data and stuff as responses.

For once, it's like Engineer's Disease acting as a proper immune response.
posted by wenestvedt at 6:40 AM on February 3 [12 favorites]


Stephen Colbert puts Donald Trump on notice for stealing his 'On Notice' bit

Yes.
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:41 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Is there any sort of petition to keep Conway off of the (non-Fox) news? Since apparently seasoned journalists can't handle her?

Well, the Trump administration punished CNN by not letting her talk on their network, so there's that.
posted by dinty_moore at 6:41 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


TRUMP WARNS ISRAEL: STOP ANNOUNCING NEW SETTLEMENTS

There's a theory that Netanyahu needs the U.S. to push back against the far-right elements in his coalition, otherwise things would unravel too quickly. Obama was the perfect foil.

Unfortunately for us, there's no one to push back against our nationalists.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:44 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


everytime you guys use Conway's phrase you increase her power. Call it something else please?

I suggest shortening "the Bowling Green US terrorist attack" to "the BoGUS terrorist attack". For clarity you may want to go with "Kellyanne Conway's BoGUS terrorist attack".
posted by Two unicycles and some duct tape at 6:47 AM on February 3 [75 favorites]


why does twitter even pretend to have a TOS

there used to be people here who know the twitter guys (i honestly can't keep track of their ceos at this point) are they stealth nazis or what
posted by entropicamericana at 6:47 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


there is an open and active Senate investigation of Trump's ties to Russia and they plan to complete it within three months.

The Apprentice: 25th Amendment Edition
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:47 AM on February 3 [6 favorites]


The secret to IKEA shopping is to understand that you get what you pay for. If you just want some furniture to last a year or two and get you through some lean times, they've got that and it's cheap as hell. If you want solid wood furniture that will last, they have that too, but you will pay a good deal more for it. We just got a KIVIK sectional couch in November and I love it.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:47 AM on February 3 [13 favorites]


Steve Clemons (Political and Foreign Policy Commentator ~ Washington Editor at Large, The Atlantic and National Journal. Contributor, MSNBC) has a series of tweets about "Secret Service mgr level personnel forced 2 resign 2nite & escorted out of EEOB.". He says two or more Secret Service were abruptly forced to resign last night and escorted out of EEOB.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:48 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]


The point of IKEA and flat-pack furniture is that it's cheap, right? Cheap means cheap materials. Don't be grumpy with IKEA because not particle-board furniture is expensive. Also, most of their kitchen stuff is the bomb.
posted by INFJ at 6:49 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


President Pence, C'MON DOWN......today, you'll be playing for a......Militarized Theocracy!
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:49 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]


There were numerous actual massacres of Native people in Kentucky and Ohio during settlement.
posted by spitbull at 6:51 AM on February 3 [9 favorites]


There are PROFESSIONAL anarchists?

Little Billy always studied math, loved numbers, and fighting the man. He found his true calling as an accountant to the revolution, working alongside Sue, his sister in arms, and also middle manager of the action and demonstration department.
posted by Ghidorah at 6:51 AM on February 3 [28 favorites]


Speaking of Future President Pence, let's see what he has to say today on twitter:

EDIT: FAKE. Accidentally fooled m'self. Sorry everybody.
posted by Rust Moranis at 6:51 AM on February 3


What a dick. They sure are bringing respectability and honor back to the White House, aren't they?
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:53 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


Glad to know he's taking a page out of Lord Dampnut's book of "communicating with the country."
posted by INFJ at 6:53 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


MikePenceVP is a parody account.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:53 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


Believe you me, if there is a position open for an anarchist accountant, I am on it.

Many anarchists are not that good with math.

(I used to think I was too bad with math to be an accountant, but it turns out that you can just be careful when you do math and, at the accounting level, that is pretty much the same thing.)
posted by Frowner at 6:53 AM on February 3 [24 favorites]


I'm very much into the idea of corporate boycotts of business that do business with the PVL's family, so check out #GrabYourWallet! This page is a simple spreadsheet-looking list of 74 companies that have some ties to PVL's business, along with contact information, and a simple script to read to their representatives.

The script is short and sweet:
Hi. I’m a customer of [Store Name]. Unfortunately I can no longer do business with your company because it does business with the Trump family. If your company were to no longer do business with the Trump family I would enthusiastically return as a customer. Please communicate my feedback to management.
We've already made Disney (a multibillion dollar entertainment conglomerate) and Uber (one of the most heavily VC-backed business ever) to scale back their relationships with that family, so I'm sure we can get other, smaller corporations to see them as too toxic to deal with.

If you've already done your daily calls, emails, and faxes to your legislators and are looking for something even more likely to put you in contact with another human, just go down the list and start contacting the companies.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 6:54 AM on February 3 [16 favorites]


I can't help but picture a scene similar to one in The Last Boy Scout to explain the sudden "resignation" of these Secret Service guys.
posted by The Card Cheat at 6:54 AM on February 3


Ah, okay, then. Carry on.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:55 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


The secret to IKEA shopping is to understand that you get what you pay for. If you just want some furniture to last a year or two and get you through some lean times, they've got that and it's cheap as hell. If you want solid wood furniture that will last, they have that too, but you will pay a good deal more for it. We just got a KIVIK sectional couch in November and I love it.

What year or two? I bought a BYÅS about five years ago which is 100% particle board because I needed something that I could stuff a TV on. Still looks like new.

Funnily enough when you don't overload them particle board shit will last forever.
posted by Talez at 6:58 AM on February 3 [6 favorites]


Yes. The trick is just don't put stuff on a particle board shelf. Don't ever move it. Don't look at it. Don't think about it. Just put it together in the attic and tiptoe away from it. It will outlast the cockroaches.

I kid! so what if I'm sick of particle board furniture. Ive just had my heart broken too many times.

Plus, it isn't cheap if you have to keep re-buying furniture. Thrift store is a 10000x better route if money is tight.
posted by ian1977 at 7:01 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


What year or two? I bought a BYÅS about five years ago which is 100% particle board because I needed something that I could stuff a TV on. Still looks like new.

The thick shelving I bought six years ago to use as a bookshelf was cheap but is nigh indestructible. It will make a fine addition to the barricades one day.
posted by C'est la D.C. at 7:02 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]


Yes. The trick is just don't put stuff on a particle board shelf. Don't ever move it. Don't look at it. Don't think about it. Just put it together in the attic and tiptoe away from it. It will outlast the cockroaches.

Sure. Half a dozen consoles moving in and out of the shelves and two moves later I just left it in the non-existent attic back in Santa Clara. Don't treat your stuff like shit and it'll last no matter what it's made of.

Also, if Donald Trump wants to make something great again, sic him on Trefoils. Shortbread with literally no butter in it? SAD! SHAME ON THE GIRL SCOUTS!
posted by Talez at 7:06 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


This ikea derail is definitely the highlight of the thread. One positive about Ikea is that Trump would never buy their furniture even if they shared the same politics. Then again there is that whole use of communist labor camps during the cold war. My poang chair is sweet though (and 11 years old now).
posted by dis_integration at 7:07 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]


*gobbles Walkers shortbread*
posted by Talez at 7:07 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


8.8 inches of wood will cut gamma radiation from fallout by 1/2. Let's say particle board, being a little less dense, will have a halving thickness of 10 inches. That means to survive heavy nuclear fallout contamination, you will have to surround yourself with particle board walls a little over 4 feet thick. Ikea might make a pretty penny if they can think of a clever way to flat-pack it and call it the Armageddjur or something.
posted by Rust Moranis at 7:08 AM on February 3 [46 favorites]


8.8 inches of wood will cut gamma radiation from fallout by 1/2. Let's say particle board, being a little less dense, will have a halving thickness of 10 inches. That means to survive heavy nuclear fallout, you will have to surround yourself with particle board walls a little over 4 feet thick. Ikea might make a pretty penny if they can think of a clever way to flat-pack it and call it the Armageddjur or something.

Okay, no. That is way too "little old people building fallout shelter out of their doors and pillows" in When The Wind Blows. I'm just planning on dying in the moment of bombing along with almost everyone I love and everything I care about, thank you.
posted by Frowner at 7:10 AM on February 3 [31 favorites]


That means to survive heavy nuclear fallout contamination, you will have to surround yourself with particle board walls a little over 4 feet thick.

So that's what Jim Bloggs did wrong. OK. I'm ready then. Bring on armageddon.
posted by Talez at 7:11 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


Also I'd love to see Trump try to interpret Ikea instructions and build one of their cabinets himself. I think it would be 15 minutes before he was raving mad, and if he had nobody to help him, 30 minutes before tears.

HANDS TOO SMALL CAN'T BUILD THE LACK SHELVING.
posted by dis_integration at 7:11 AM on February 3 [23 favorites]


This ikea derail is definitely the highlight of the thread. One positive about Ikea is that Trump would never buy their furniture even if they shared the same politics. Then again there is that whole use of communist labor camps during the cold war. My poang chair is sweet though (and 11 years old now).

It's like a break in the storm of the horrible while we sit here and wait for the next front to come in.
posted by Jalliah at 7:11 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


When I got bedbugs in NYC, I had a big wooden loft-type bedframe that I really liked, but in my rush to eliminate all available places for bedbugs to hide, I threw it out and got a metal Heimdal bedframe from IKEA, which was much less cozy to bedbugs and easier to clean! For this, IKEA will always hold a special place in my heart. Also I LOVE their meatballs and I HATE the creeping spectre of American fascism! Thank you
posted by Greg Nog at 7:12 AM on February 3 [43 favorites]


What's a bookshelf? Is that where you put your lonely copy of Fahrenheit 451?
posted by adept256 at 7:12 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]


I know one incident doesn't mean anything, but that was super super weird and it felt meaningful. And I feel terrible. Everything is bad. The two black ladies talked about how that had never happened to them on the Gold Line before - on other train lines, sure, but not here.

What the actual fuck is happening.


Indeed. What courage these young racists have targeting the elderly on public transit systems. Hopefully the hate crime charge in this incident stick.
posted by juiceCake at 7:12 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


I guess bonus points for particle board is that it is probably more digestible than real wood.
posted by ian1977 at 7:13 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


PenDevil: Trump continually talks about The Apprentice as if it's his greatest achievement, not the multi-billion dollar real estate empire he supposedly created.

Relevant: With Conflict And Drama, Trump Hooks You Like A Reality TV Show (NPR, February 3, 2017) From Tom Forman, CEO of the production company Critical Content:
He uses tools we use every day to tell and shape a story. [Like] conflict and drama — that's still the engine that powers all reality television. I guess I would note that, candidly, reality television does not typically address giant, macro-issues particularly well, right? It's not a genre of big ideas. And that's OK.

What it does do really well is interpersonal relationships — is taking big themes like love and jealousy and revenge, and boiling them down to conversations between two people.

I think Trump clearly knows that those small interactions that speak to larger themes are what connects with us as humans. And I think it's probably something that we should know too as we consume his tweets, as we watch White House press conferences or prayer breakfasts. That this is a guy who understands how to make us feel a certain way.

He's the anti-wonk. It's not operating at 30,000 feet. But neither would one of my sometimes-dumb reality shows. This is a visceral, red-meat story that we can sort of dig our teeth into. So I'm not surprised people do.
Interesting points on how to engage people and get them talking about topics, but the TV producer pushes the responsibility of parsing truth from lies on the public, who he earlier pointed out are prone to turning the channel when things get too detailed. But it's true, _rump won't stop lying, so it's pointless to ask him to stop.

Business is boring. TV is exciting. People know him from TV, not his (failed) casinos.
posted by filthy light thief at 7:14 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


I have this amazing IKEA armoire which is an enormous 8-drawer dresser with a sliding-door cabinet on top, one side hanging, the other side shelves. I've moved with it three times. The stapled-on back is coming off, one drawer regularly goes off-rail, and I'm certain it will never survive another move. But I love it, and I've never found anything like it to hold a ton of different clothes in such a small amount of space. And it matches my furniture. I may just resolve to never move again.
posted by Mchelly at 7:16 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


y'all i love ikea too but really
posted by lazaruslong at 7:17 AM on February 3 [16 favorites]


The time has come...for this...BILLY BOOKCASE!
posted by ian1977 at 7:17 AM on February 3


[Guys, at this point someone may want to see if there's a TV show nominally about IKEA furniture that they can start a FanFare thread on.]
posted by cortex at 7:18 AM on February 3 [72 favorites]


Hopefully the hate crime charge in this incident stick.

Can we deport these people to somewhere in the Aleutians and they can have their white male paradise?
posted by Talez at 7:19 AM on February 3


[Guys, at this point someone may want to see if there's a TV show nominally about IKEA furniture that they can start a FanFare thread on.]

Mod suggestion is to assemble our own IKEA post, guys.

posted by nubs at 7:20 AM on February 3 [96 favorites]


would the lamp commercial count
posted by prize bull octorok at 7:21 AM on February 3 [13 favorites]


Can I just say this is still horrifying:

President of the United States of America: People know him from TV, not his (failed) casinos.
posted by lazaruslong at 7:22 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


samthemander, thanks for sharing this. I'm glad you spoke up. It's not easy, it's really not.

ARGH FUCK SHIT WHAT THE HELL RAWR STOMP FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING PIECES OF HORSE SHIT!

....ahem, sorry. I am an introvert who doesn't go out in public much so I haven't run into racism like this in person. I just want to scream from the heavens that just because a racist bigot managed to play the game and get himself elected president does not mean we've returned to the segregation era!

AHHHH GIVE ME SOMETHING TO KICK!
posted by INFJ at 7:22 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


coincidentally "upscale flatpack" is also the new drake single
posted by murphy slaw at 7:22 AM on February 3 [13 favorites]


> Mod suggestion is to assemble our own IKEA post, guys.

Every time I try, I end up with three leftover links that I can't find a place for.

posted by tonycpsu at 7:22 AM on February 3 [99 favorites]


[Guys, at this point someone may want to see if there's a TV show nominally about IKEA furniture that they can start a FanFare thread on.]

I would but there's no listing for Ultimate Factories in FanFare.
posted by Talez at 7:22 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Mod suggestion is to assemble our own IKEA post, guys.

Did you keep the instructions? I've got a spare HTML allen key somewhere at home.

posted by MattWPBS at 7:24 AM on February 3 [6 favorites]


All this IKEA talk reminds me of the "Page 23" short.
posted by meowf at 7:24 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]


Mod suggestion is to assemble our own IKEA post, guys.

And you think the discussion on politics is prone to drama and bitter infighting....
posted by RolandOfEld at 7:26 AM on February 3 [12 favorites]


The Trumpers (UK branch) think of Milo as a sort of gotcha that liberals can't possibly argue against because he's gay so he can't be homophobic, he's into black men, apparently, so he can't be racist, his mother or grandmother or both are Jewish, so he can't be anti-Semitic etc. (their views, not mine, obvs). They think of him as a Trump card (geddit? Etc). It's literally identity politics.

[An acquaintance of mine once complimented my kitchen table by comparing it to the "shit you get at Ikea". Yeah, £150 at Ikea. I hate that guy].
posted by threetwentytwo at 7:26 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]


> What's a bookshelf? Is that where you put your lonely copy of Fahrenheit 451?

A bookshelf is a Tremendous Wall, made out of the Best Materials, which looks like THIS.
posted by Westringia F. at 7:28 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


If I were Milo, I would be wondering what happens when the tensions between "Milo the youth recruiter" and "most of our base really hates people who are hella gay" start to solidify. I would not, were I Milo, be entirely sure about ending up on the right side of that situation. I think that the more fascist youth there are out there, the more likely that the fascist speaker-to-youth will need to be straight.
posted by Frowner at 7:29 AM on February 3 [18 favorites]


This is a little on the nose: Orwell’s 1984 Coming to Broadway
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:29 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


The Trumpers (UK branch) think of Milo as a sort of gotcha that liberals can't possibly argue against because he's gay so he can't be homophobic, he's into black men, apparently, so he can't be racist, his mother or grandmother or both are Jewish, so he can't be anti-Semitic etc.

i prefer to think of him as an intersectional traitor
posted by murphy slaw at 7:32 AM on February 3 [68 favorites]


President Pence, C'MON DOWN......today, you'll be playing for a......Militarized Theocracy!

If those clowns go much further with this theocracy wet dream, there will be massacres, not only in Bowling Green but nation wide. They're making inroads even now by kissing the christian terrorists asses by promising to undo protections for LGBT people.
LGBT is the second group they targeted. We all know who the first was. But who will be next?
posted by james33 at 7:33 AM on February 3




WaPo has an article on Bannon's movie proposal, The Islamic States of America.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:34 AM on February 3


I've seen the production of 1984 that's making its way to Broadway. (It was touring in DC last year.) It's really really good -- one of the best stage adaptations (of anything) I've ever seen.
posted by alligatorpear at 7:35 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


So Milo gets to fuck around in our country, including publicly harassing, humiliating, and endangering a trans woman and inciting someone to shoot a protester, yet his ass isn't getting deported??

More evidence that for the radical right, the problem isn't so much foreigners coming here and committing crimes--it's being brown in the 1st degree. Disgusting.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 7:35 AM on February 3 [22 favorites]


I've seen the production of 1984 that's making its way to Broadway.

is it really a musical
posted by murphy slaw at 7:36 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]




More evidence that for the radical right, the problem isn't so much foreigners coming here and committing crimes--it's being brown in the 1st degree. Disgusting.

Oh, I dunno. When Piers Morgan was criticising gun laws, the right had no problem with wanting to send him back. Race seems to be a secondary concern to whether you're on their side or not.
posted by mushhushshu at 7:40 AM on February 3






So, would the proposed import tax apply to large corporations with significant influence - Walmart, Tarket, Ikea - or would they be able to work their way out of it?
posted by ZeusHumms at 7:44 AM on February 3


Haha, no, it's not a musical. It's overwhelming to the senses, but not because of music and singing.
posted by alligatorpear at 7:46 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


Gregg Popovich shares his thoughts on Black History Month

Almost makes me want to watch basketball!
posted by notsnot at 7:48 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


If you want a musical 1984, The Eurythmics did a fantastic pop song back in the day!
posted by Greg Nog at 7:50 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


So, what's the expectations for this weekend after sundown?
posted by MattWPBS at 7:51 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


he's into black men, apparently, so he can't be racist,

WHOOHAHAJAJAHOUUHHUHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Hoo. Oh thank you. I needed a good laugh this morning. (This Asian woman can confirm that someone can want to bone you and hold great racial animus toward you at the same time, in case you were curious.)

Anyway I just got through to DHS! Thanks for the tip, Burn.Don't.Freeze!
posted by sunset in snow country at 7:52 AM on February 3 [52 favorites]


""I hate every ministry I see, from the ministry of truth to the ministry of peace. Oh you finally got the thoughtcrime out of...meeeeeeeeeee"
posted by ian1977 at 7:52 AM on February 3 [26 favorites]


Trump will be on vacation in Florida all weekend. Maybe Pence is in charge.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:52 AM on February 3


"Overwhelming to the senses" is a good description of this adaptation and production of 1984. "Harrowing" is a word I would use, too. And I saw it while Obama was still President. It might be a bit too much now.
posted by He Is Only The Imposter at 7:53 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


this has to be the earliest any president has left washington for the weekend, right?
posted by murphy slaw at 7:53 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Republicans whining about angry constituents is music to my ears.

House Ways and Means Committee Kevin Brady (R-Texas), for example, scheduled an event in his district two weeks ago to discuss the Affordable Care Act, and he seemed eager to limit the audience to his allies. The gathering was held at a local Chamber of Commerce headquarters, it wasn’t announced to the public, and the congressman’s office said the point of the event was to hear from constituents facing “rising costs and loss of coverage and choice” because of “Obamacare.”

As the Houston Chronicle reported, dozens of “skeptical and at times testy” locals showed up to express their vocal support for the health care reform law.


Oh yes, "testy" I would say we're a little fucking testy, dude.
posted by emjaybee at 7:54 AM on February 3 [66 favorites]


No. Last weekend was the earliest.
posted by ian1977 at 7:55 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


No wait. The first weekend. Before he started.
posted by ian1977 at 7:55 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


It's not my favorite Bowie, but he too has a song about 1984.

(I always thought is was "beware the savage draw" but apparently it's "savage jaw"?)
posted by jclarkin at 7:56 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


The Texas Lege passed SB4 late last night after 1500 Texan people showed up and registered opposition and after over 400 of those Texans spoke to the Senators and begged, demanded, wept, spoke calmly and forcefully, and in all forms of eloquence and personal experience demanded that this bill not pass.

I am now angry enough to storm the Capitol screaming "You work for us or you don't work at all! Work for us or don't work at all!" I'm not going now because I want to have time to collect marchers, but I am currently thinking logistics and considering whether marching on a weekday or weekend would be more effective. Numbers vs likelihood of those fucklords even being present.

They work in my home overruling our desire to govern ourselves according to the will of the people who have to live here! They don't have to bear the costs of their decisions! And then they have the gall, the unbelievable gall, to claim to be the part of local rule, of small government, of freedom from tyranny! The hell with this, and the hell with those squatting self satisfied hypocrites!
posted by sciatrix at 7:57 AM on February 3 [71 favorites]


Trump will be on vacation in Florida all weekend. Maybe Pence is in charge.

is trump taking today off? or is there still plenty of time for him to fuck us over with an EO after kushner checks out for shabbos and before he hops on a plane to mar a lago?
posted by murphy slaw at 7:57 AM on February 3


Maybe trump and Spicer are going to go to Mar-a-Lago and do trust falls and wolf howls around a campfire.
posted by ian1977 at 8:00 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]


In other, more lighthearted news: after the Netherlands, other European countries line up to be second.
everysecondcounts.eu
posted by farlukar at 8:00 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


The machete attack at the Louvre was directed at soldiers, not civilians. Is it truly a "terrorist attack," then?
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 8:04 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Today's word of the day.

@aedwardslevy
panicdote (n) - a story about the goings-on in Washington that leaves you convinced the world is maybe about to explode
posted by chris24 at 8:05 AM on February 3 [40 favorites]


once again confirming that this administration is fractally weird, Melania Trump’s Absence From Washington Raises Questions About Her Role.
posted by murphy slaw at 8:05 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


Republicans whining about angry constituents is music to my ears.

One of our local reps is already making noise about how he will attend future town halls if the meetings are "respectful" so we know how that's going to play out. His inability to answer hard questions doesn't mean we're not being respectful by asking, it means he's not cut out for his job.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:05 AM on February 3 [15 favorites]


re:china and strengthening of Yuan, imports get expensive for everyone on the receiving end.

also this has implications: "currency volatility on trumps tweets fades as traders bored" i.e market volatility, not currency volatility. frell.
posted by xcasex at 8:06 AM on February 3


So, what's the expectations for this weekend after sundown?

Shit seems to go down about 40 minutes beforehand, once Jared's out of the building. Candlelighting time for Washington, D.C. tonight is 5:14.

If Jared's still in the administration come April, look out for Passover - two 2-day holidays plus a sabbath in between. But it gets worse - this year Rosh Hashana and Sukkot start on Wednesday nights, so look forward to three 3-day stretches of Jared-free Trump.

(I really really really hope that the Friday-evening connection isn't true and it's just a coincidence)
posted by Mchelly at 8:07 AM on February 3 [8 favorites]


two 2-day holidays plus a sabbath in between.

I'm not 100% sure that Orthodox Jews don't celebrate the entire 8 days of Passover.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:08 AM on February 3


priorities: "After announcing her chief of staff on Wednesday, Mrs. Trump on Thursday chose an interior designer, Tham Kannalikham, to overhaul the White House private quarters."

the mind boggles at what the white house will look like by the end of his term
posted by murphy slaw at 8:10 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


I'm not 100% sure that Orthodox Jews don't celebrate the entire 8 days of Passover.

Based on the holiday closings of Jewish photo stores in NYC, Adorama and B&H, they do celebrate/shut down the entire 8 days.
posted by chris24 at 8:10 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


what's the over/under on getting actual plagues this passover
posted by murphy slaw at 8:11 AM on February 3 [28 favorites]


We do, but the middle 4 are chol hamoed (intermediate days) when you're allowed to do work. Except for the one that falls on the sabbath. So at least during those days you can still reach him and Ivanka on the phone.
posted by Mchelly at 8:11 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


sciatrix, your rage warms me. But I worry you'll burn out!

Texas Republican corruption is very very deep. Any change we make is going to take time. I do think demographics are on our side in the long run, but we are the state where white supremacy + redneck pride in ignorance + oil money have built up very strong barriers to change. That doesn't mean they'll never come down, but we have to come at it sideways and underneath and mostly just be persistent. We're going to lose a lot of these battles, especially at first.
posted by emjaybee at 8:11 AM on February 3 [10 favorites]


Google thinks that Tham Kannalikham's site may be hacked.
posted by ian1977 at 8:12 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Republicans whining about angry constituents is music to my ears.

The aptly-named David Brat: "The women are in my grill no matter where I go." (WaPo)
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 8:13 AM on February 3 [8 favorites]


Don't know if this has already been mentioned, but the congressional committee that oversees the NSC is taking calls from the public on the Bannon appointment now. The number is 1-202-224-4751. The lines may be busy so be prepared to be persistent.
posted by saulgoodman at 8:15 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


He's going down to Florida to drain the swamp. They have the best swamps, the biggest swamps. Yuge. I wonder if he has any real estate on Miami Beach? Where those hi-rises are getting tidal flooding. I'm sure his alternative fact people will tell him it's because of liberal tears. Couldn't be climate change, that's fake.

I know you play golf, Don, so do I. I'm not going to watch your drive. Besides, it's not fair. Your handicap is so... not mine. I guess he'll just cheat on the scorecard, and that's fine with me. I wouldn't give a shit if he hit the ball off the windmill and off the jaunty pirate into the water trap. It's just a game.

But if I'm a week into a job and decide to go on vacation already to play golf, I'd expect to get fired.

Also I would kick his ass at golf. I'd get sent to gitmo forever, and his flunkies would say I was a terrorist or whatever. Beating him at golf is nothing compared to beating him with a 3 wood.
posted by adept256 at 8:16 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


The 1984 musical makes me want to see a modern adaptation of "The Producers". But with gay trump instead of gay hitler.
posted by Glibpaxman at 8:19 AM on February 3 [6 favorites]


Well, damn, and this isn't just a metaphor, but for me, that number for the NSC committee finally stopped being busy all the time, but once it started ringing, nobody ever picked up! I'll keep trying I guess...
posted by saulgoodman at 8:20 AM on February 3


I will not complain about his time off, because when he is working, terrible things happen.

So Donny; why not take a real vacation? Like 4 years?
posted by emjaybee at 8:20 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


The 1984 musical makes me want to see a modern adaptation of "The Producers". But with gay trump instead of gay hitler.

♫ SPRIIIIIINGTIME for Bannon ♫
posted by Mayor West at 8:21 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]


Newsweek is reporting that multiple lawyers have told them that DHS & CBP are segregating based on religion at LAX.

“They are segregating Muslims from the non-Muslims when they’re being detained, holding them in separate rooms,” Stacy Tolchin, a Los Angeles–based immigration lawyer working on several cases linked to the travel ban, tells Newsweek. “I think it shows what the real intent of the travel ban is.”
posted by papercrane at 8:21 AM on February 3 [47 favorites]




Newsweek link didn't work for me, try this: Lawyers: U.S. Segregating Muslims as Part of Trump's Travel Ban
posted by sourcejedi at 8:25 AM on February 3 [9 favorites]



WaPo pulling no punches.

Religious law may be coming to America. But it’s not sharia; it’s Christian.

Much-dreaded “sharia law,” or something resembling it, may well be coming to the United States.

Just not in the form many Americans expected.

That is, the religiously motivated laws creeping into public policymaking aren’t based on the Koran, and they aren’t coming from mythical hard-line Islamists in, say, Dearborn, Mich. They’re coming from the White House, which wants to make it easier for hard-line Christians to impose their beliefs and practices on the rest of us.

posted by Jalliah at 8:25 AM on February 3 [83 favorites]


So by 109 people they meant closer to 109k.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:26 AM on February 3 [17 favorites]


Chris Van Hollen has had it: "It's nuts. Now he wants to turn churches into SuperPacs. Donald Trump's effort to "totally destroy" a law that bans churches and religious organizations from supporting political candidates would open the door to churches, synagogues, mosques and other houses of worship becoming political platforms. These religious institutions currently receive tax exempt status because they are charitable organizations that do not engage in political activity. Donald Trump wants to turn these sanctuaries into taxpayer subsidized vehicles for dark money and political activity. We must stop this perversion of places of worship. God help us."
posted by amarynth at 8:26 AM on February 3 [70 favorites]


From the NYT article about Melania, above:

"And Mrs. Trump is pushing back more forcefully on the traditional confines of her position than did Mrs. Obama, who after her husband’s election in 2008 had badly wanted to remain in Chicago with her young daughters while they finished their school year. She was instructed by his political aides that the public would never accept such a move."

IOKIYAR strikes again.

I do feel a lot of budding schadenfreude about what this means for the Easter Egg Hunt.
posted by Mchelly at 8:27 AM on February 3 [21 favorites]


Well, damn, and this isn't just a metaphor, but for me, that number for the NSC committee finally stopped being busy all the time, but once it started ringing, nobody ever picked up! I'll keep trying I guess...

I've heard reports around that you may have to stay on the line through a decent amount of silence before you get the recording, and again before you can leave a message.
posted by jason_steakums at 8:28 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Shower thought: Trump is a deal maker. Or, so he thinks. In fact, he's a pretty weak negotiator.

As such, Gorsuch is an opening offer and the thing with the game-show reveal was meant to mask that by emulating some kind of negotiation.

If squeezed, maybe they'll put up a Rhenquist/Roberts type instead. A plain ol' conservative instead of a Oujia-board originalist, and hold that back for another vacancy. The positions of the nominee wouldn't differ much, but it would be a step back from 30-40 years of lunacy.
posted by snuffleupagus at 8:28 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


Yeah, I know, I know. I am going to return to my original weekly plan of breathing, blocking myself from the political Internet on all of Saturday in solidarity with another REAL ANGRY burnout who is having trouble taking a break, and working on my actual paid work.

And trying not to have an actual aneurysm. That too.

goddammit now I know how tiny Steve Rogers felt and it is the most aggravating feeling in the entire world
posted by sciatrix at 8:28 AM on February 3 [12 favorites]


Newsweek link didn't work for me

That's my fault.. I somehow cut the "2" of the end of the URL. Sorry.
posted by papercrane at 8:29 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


regarding the Virginia hearing on the EO: "Aside from granting interventions and extending TRO, no other action by the judge. She made critical remarks about the EO rollout at the end" (cite)
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:30 AM on February 3


I've heard reports around that you may have to stay on the line through a decent amount of silence before you get the recording, and again before you can leave a message.

Unfortunately, misleading silence is something I've encountered frequently with committee phone lines and Republican leadership numbers. It's obvious they don't actually want people to leave message or contact them, so they make it as confusing and slow as possible.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 8:31 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


Just not in the form many Americans expected.

These "many Americans" sure don't pay much attention, do they?
posted by Artw at 8:31 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]




The idea that Trump and Bannon do all the crazy stuff on the sabbath while Kushner is away is mildly intriguing, but the anecdote about breaking it to strategize after the AH tape was released weakens that argument significantly. Why not just follow Occam's Razor and admit that maybe he's totally cool with all of this?

For instance, the most ominously direct speech of Trump's, the one that heavily relied on anti-Semitic tropes, was on a Thursday afternoon. In fact, it was the day after Yom Kippur, one of the High Holidays. His final campaign ad, which built on the anti-Semitism of that speech, ran on days that weren't the sabbath. Kushner may be acting as a moderating influence, but his religious observation doesn't seem to play any part.
posted by zombieflanders at 8:32 AM on February 3 [9 favorites]


I would be fine if they cancelled all the traditional WH activities; Easter Egg hunts, black tie balls, tours, all of it. This is not a real Presidency and it should not feel like one. I don't want to see articles about Melania doing stuff or Ivanka's kids.

I want this to feel weird and off-kilter and wrong, because it is.

Melania appears to have no desire/maybe no aptitude for this job, as it is traditionally conceived (which admittedly is pretty sexist/old-fashioned). She seems very secluded and withdrawn, unable to entertain or make connections that could further her husband's interests. And I am ok with that too.
posted by emjaybee at 8:33 AM on February 3 [59 favorites]


Sooooo, the DeVos thing was just procedural, then? I'm starting to get burned out on all these Facebook groups freaking out about every little thing and flinging misinformation everywhere. There's enough badness out there without having to sort through panicked posts about misunderstood whatever. Somehow I got added to a group located in my state, and now I have to see posts about how they're all planning to call Senators from Arizona or Ohio.

Hey guys, you're not one of their constituents. They don't care, and you're just taking up airspace their constituents could fill.
posted by Existential Dread at 8:36 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


I've heard reports around that you may have to stay on the line through a decent amount of silence before you get the recording,

I can confirm. That's what finally ended up happening but be patient and you can get through.
posted by saulgoodman at 8:38 AM on February 3


U.S. warns North Korea of 'overwhelming' response if nuclear arms used. Some twitter commenters are freaking out about this, but it doesn't seem like news to me. "We will fucking destroy you if you use a nuke" has always been pretty clearly understood from the US, right? Or am I missing something and this is worse, and/or Mattis is overstepping?
posted by witchen at 8:38 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


Cosigning the praise for the stage production of 1984. We saw it here in London, oh, year before last I guess? and were clubbed senseless by it.

We emerged blinking into the afternoon light afterward and wandered down to the Embankment to collect ourselves — and it's not like I didn't know what the play would be about, given that I reread the novel on a roughly annual basis. I cannot say enough good things about how effective it was as a multimedia production, once you forgive or absorb one little bit of minor cheesiness.

I'm glad to hear that this production's gonna be mounted in the States, though I can well imagine it will hit just a little bit too close to home right now.
posted by adamgreenfield at 8:41 AM on February 3 [6 favorites]


"And Mrs. Trump is pushing back more forcefully on the traditional confines of her position than did Mrs. Obama, who after her husband’s election in 2008 had badly wanted to remain in Chicago with her young daughters while they finished their school year. She was instructed by his political aides that the public would never accept such a move."

Well, you didn't expect Mrs. Trump to just stay home and order someone to bake cookies, did you?
posted by delfin at 8:41 AM on February 3 [11 favorites]


Wanting to spend as little time near Trump as possible is an understandable and human thing, I guess.
posted by Artw at 8:43 AM on February 3 [27 favorites]


I'm glad to hear that this production's gonna be mounted in the States, though I can well imagine it will hit just a little bit too close to home right now.

These days there's no such thing as too close to home. The more alarming, the better.
posted by Rust Moranis at 8:43 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


There's enough badness out there without having to sort through panicked posts about misunderstood whatever.

See also: my ask here. It's difficult to find understandable, comprehensive info that isn't filtered through FB groups freaking out.
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:44 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


I was dwelling this morning on my abiding distrust and loathing for Dianne Feinstein and wondering what I might do to hasten her replacement, when it struck me that the Tea Party (whose tactics we've talked about emulating, right?) had nationally-advertised PACs to fund promising state and local primary races. Do we have anything like that yet? If not, what needs to happen to get it going?
posted by contraption at 8:45 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


No, Mattis invoking MAD is par for the course. What starts wars is wishy-washy messaging, like every other diplomatic outreach made so far by the Trump admin.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 8:46 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


Sooooo, the DeVos thing was just procedural, then?

Well, a procedural thing that was a pretty straight split along party lines, and a procedural thing that means that the full for-real confirmation vote will happen early next week.

So not nothing, but she's closer to getting confirmed.

I don't social media, but I am finding The Hill pretty useful as a guide to what's actually happening. If that helps as an antidote to Facebook panic.

now I have to see posts about how they're all planning to call Senators from Arizona or Ohio.

Yeah, they should really not do this, I don't think. I'm an Ohio resident and I gave Portman's Cleveland office a call - and got through to an actual person immediately (tip to Ohio Mefites) - and the lady on the phone asked where I was calling from. So they're definitely trying to sort real constituents from out-of-state callers.
posted by soundguy99 at 8:46 AM on February 3 [9 favorites]


Clemons (the guy who claimed Secret Service members were summarily fired last night) now says that among those fired was the Chief of Information Security. Probably the firings were an attempt to stop the recent leaks.
posted by Coventry at 8:46 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]


Display a large political sign, banner, or poster (as distinguished from a bumper sticker) on a private vehicle.

So I think this - the SEAL Trump banner thing - actually cuts to the heart of one of the real problems going on with how the Trump administration has become synonymous not with a man, or with the office, but with a whole raft of horrible shit.

Because it never used to be counted as political to display pictures or the names or glowing articles about the actual president. Even when that president was somewhat contentious. Aside from just Command Row, there were a lot of individual AOs that had Obama stuff up everywhere. It wasn't viewed as a 'Democrat' thing, it was just 'yay our president' thing.

But Trump is both our president and also kind of becoming hate speech. You have people chanting Trump to intimidate people, waving Trump flags as a Fuck-You. This has never happened before.

How is the military going to handle it? I truly don't know. This isn't like the SS/Scout Sniper flag issue - this is whether or not it is acceptable to display the name of the POTUS, the Commander in Chief. It's a red hot mess and I don't know which side they'll jump on.
posted by corb at 8:46 AM on February 3 [30 favorites]


Shower thought: Trump is a deal maker. Or, so he thinks. In fact, he's a pretty weak negotiator.

As such, Gorsuch is an opening offer and the thing with the game-show reveal was meant to mask that by emulating some kind of negotiation.


No. The negotiation was during the primary. Trump promises to obey the religious right on social issues in exchange for their support. Gorsuch is payment, not terms.

The rest of us in blue states weren't parties to the deal. We don't get a say.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:47 AM on February 3 [8 favorites]


The best part will be when Lord Dampnut goes to war with his own party in 3, 2...


Hill Republicans revolt over Trump's plans to build border wall
President Donald Trump's plan to build a wall on the border with Mexico is facing a major problem: A wall of resistance from his own party.

A growing number of congressional Republicans are objecting to the cost and viability of a proposal that was a rallying cry for the billionaire businessman during his insurgent campaign. Interviews with more than a dozen GOP lawmakers across the ideological spectrum suggest Trump could have a difficult time getting funding for his plan approved by Congress.

Many bluntly told CNN they'd likely vote against any Trump plan that is not fully offset with spending cuts, while others questioned whether Trump's vision would adequately resolve the problems at the border.

"If you're going to spend that kind of money, you're going to have to show me where you're going to get that money," said Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, a key swing vote who has already broken with Trump over his nominee for secretary of education.
posted by chris24 at 8:48 AM on February 3 [24 favorites]


No, Mattis invoking MAD is par for the course. What starts wars is wishy-washy messaging, like every other diplomatic outreach made so far by the Trump admin.

Or making noises about abandoning NATO and withdrawing from the UN, or Tonkin' up attacks on Saudi ships, or ignoring renewed fighting in Ukraine.
posted by snuffleupagus at 8:48 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]


Maybe we're waiting until after the real DNC chair election before setting up a shadow DNC? Why wait?
posted by contraption at 8:49 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


I was dwelling this morning on my abiding distrust and loathing for Diane Feinstein and wondering what I might do to hasten her replacement

She is 83 years old. She is not going to run again. If, by some chance she does, she will absolutely be primaried the hell out.
posted by Sophie1 at 8:49 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


The tea party was hardly the RNC anyway. And fuck the DCCC. They're not primarying anyone.
posted by snuffleupagus at 8:49 AM on February 3


...it never used to be counted as political to display pictures or the names or glowing articles about the actual president

Are there any high-profile examples where military personnel have skated in the past after blatantly displaying material supporting an ongoing political campaign?
posted by Coventry at 8:51 AM on February 3


No. The negotiation was during the primary. Trump promises to obey the religious right on social issues in exchange for their support. Gorsuch is payment, not terms.

The rest of us in blue states weren't parties to the deal. We don't get a say.


That's definitely the opening position, but seriously. Look at the industrial/jobs 'deals'. When Trump makes threats, it's almost an opportunity to demand concessions so long as there's an upside that can be sold.

Here there's an opportunity to genuflect at the altar of Reagan (via Rehnquist)....so, maybe worth a try.

And if it's truly unmarketable to the Trump base, then it's a decent answer to the question 'who would you accept' while a filibuster is underway.
posted by snuffleupagus at 8:52 AM on February 3


She is 83 years old. She is not going to run again. If, by some chance she does, she will absolutely be primaried the hell out.

You're likely correct but I wouldn't put it past her to once again find a new way to be a horrible disappointment. Her particular case aside, I feel like there have been a few areas lately where people have talked about potential districts that are vulnerable to a primary challenge, and it makes sense to have an organization that can research those areas, identify promising challengers, and funnel money their way. The mere existence of such a fund might help keep some borderline reps in line and responsive to their constituents.
posted by contraption at 8:55 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


But Trump is both our president and also kind of becoming hate speech. You have people chanting Trump to intimidate people, waving Trump flags as a Fuck-You. This has never happened before.

There was also the recent Fox report that featured a pic of "No Facism" graffiti at Berkeley and called it "anti-Trump." Way to connect those dots, Fox!

I don't know whether to feel any encouragement about this to be honest! Will people think "ew facism=Trump? Fuck that guy!!" or think "Hey, facism is a Trump thing? Must be good then!"

The cult of Trump remains utterly opaque to me (even before he was in politics) so I got nothin'.
posted by emjaybee at 8:56 AM on February 3 [14 favorites]


Are there any high-profile examples where military personnel have skated in the past after blatantly displaying material supporting an ongoing political campaign?

I can't personally speak to political material, but an old First Sergeant of mine was blatantly, overtly, gleefully Southern Baptist, and both displayed explicitly sectarian religious content in his office and made verbal remarks to the same effect, on an ongoing and continual basis. No sanction. No consequence whatsoever.
posted by adamgreenfield at 8:56 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


Are there any high-profile examples where military personnel have skated in the past after blatantly displaying material supporting an ongoing political campaign?

There aren't any high profile examples I can think of, because this wasn't high profile stuff. We weren't dealing with a population as radically polarized, and we weren't dealing with a rogue President in the Oval Office.
posted by corb at 8:59 AM on February 3


Because it never used to be counted as political to display pictures or the names or glowing articles about the actual president. Even when that president was somewhat contentious. Aside from just Command Row, there were a lot of individual AOs that had Obama stuff up everywhere. It wasn't viewed as a 'Democrat' thing, it was just 'yay our president' thing.

Just for clarity: the particular incident in question involved Trump/Pence campaign sign/flag -- which feels, on a gut level, less like 'hooray for the President' and more like 'hooray for Trump becoming the president,' if I could draw a distinction there. And secondly, it was a flag displayed in public, on a public road, but on a government vehicle, the combination of which also feels like an endorsement not by the individual (who is inside the vehicle and unseen) but an endorsement by the military of the Trump campaign, because of that combination of factors.

So my question (I am genuinely wondering, because I don't know the answer here) would be: were people flying Obama campaign flags off military vehicles in '09? In '13? Were there public and non-personal displays of Obama/Biden campaign material publicly displayed in or on Fderal buildings and vehicles? Because having a bunch of Trump stuff up inside a private office, or by your bunk, say, feels very different (on a gut level, mind you; I don't know what the actual regulations say).

(That Trump has already registered for the 2020 campaign, which Obama did not do in '09, adds an added wrinkle to that, in that anyone displaying something about Obama in '09 could not be displaying something about Obama the candidate for president because he wasn't one. Trump, now, is. But that's more of a legal/regulatory issue and not a gut-level 'this feels weird' issue.)
posted by cjelli at 8:59 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]


Isn't the Air Force Academy sort of openly known to be extremely right-wing Christian fundamentalist and to play favorites based on that? Or has that changed in recent years?
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:59 AM on February 3 [12 favorites]


Because it never used to be counted as political to display pictures or the names or glowing articles about the actual president. Even when that president was somewhat contentious. Aside from just Command Row, there were a lot of individual AOs that had Obama stuff up everywhere.
...
How is the military going to handle it? I truly don't know. This isn't like the SS/Scout Sniper flag issue - this is whether or not it is acceptable to display the name of the POTUS, the Commander in Chief. It's a red hot mess and I don't know which side they'll jump on.

This is why I was wondering if it would end in some slap on the wrist for putting flags on motor pool vehicles that aren't supposed to have flags or whatever. Telegraphs that decision makers aren't thrilled with the message sent by the conduct, but doesn't hang some poor individual out to dry who didn't think it through. I'm honestly much less bothered by what people want to put up on their lockers etc, than what they affix to heavy vehicles and drive down the interstate with.

Then further regs/orders can issue, or not.
posted by snuffleupagus at 9:01 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


So my question (I am genuinely wondering, because I don't know the answer here) would be: were people flying Obama campaign flags off military vehicles in '09? In '13? Were there public and non-personal displays of Obama/Biden campaign material publicly displayed in or on Fderal buildings and vehicles?

No, nor were there Bush/Cheney signs in '00 or '04. I have never seen a convoy with a flag like that, election season or no.
posted by Etrigan at 9:03 AM on February 3 [14 favorites]



The idea that Trump and Bannon do all the crazy stuff on the sabbath while Kushner is away is mildly intriguing, but the anecdote about breaking it to strategize after the AH tape was released weakens that argument significantly. Why not just follow Occam's Razor and admit that maybe he's totally cool with all of this?

For instance, the most ominously direct speech of Trump's, the one that heavily relied on anti-Semitic tropes, was on a Thursday afternoon. In fact, it was the day after Yom Kippur, one of the High Holidays. His final campaign ad, which built on the anti-Semitism of that speech, ran on days that weren't the sabbath. Kushner may be acting as a moderating influence, but his religious observation doesn't seem to play any part.


I just realized what you were getting at here - I think it's been clear since before the election that Jared and Ivanka aren't going to say anything or do anything to temper the Trump team's anti-semitism - after Jared defended the "sheriff's badge" it was pretty clear his / their role is just as a respectability beard.

But people were saying Jared can help keep Trump semi-rational in how he gets his message out and in following some semblance of protocol, things like vetting the Muslim Ban through at least the legal department first. And that Bannon knew it would be an issue, so he waited till Jared was gone. Not sure I believe it - and I don't want to believe it - but I'm definitely paying attention this late afternoon.

Anyone who still thinks either Jared or Ivanka aren't 100% on board with what Trump and Co. do is delusional though - at best it's some sort of Stockholm Syndrome, but I see no evidence that either of them would stick even a fingernail out to make anything better for anyone.
posted by Mchelly at 9:05 AM on February 3 [16 favorites]


Wasn't Trump signing some executive orders at noon? Have we found out what they're claiming those are yet? I'm sure we won't get the text til after the evening news shows tonight of course...
posted by DynamiteToast at 9:05 AM on February 3


So my question (I am genuinely wondering, because I don't know the answer here) would be: were people flying Obama campaign flags off military vehicles in '09? In '13? Were there public and non-personal displays of Obama/Biden campaign material publicly displayed in or on Fderal buildings and vehicles?

Honestly, Obama campaign flags didn't exist in 09, from what I recall. I didn't even know Trump campaign flags did. Unless they got it made up? But you're right, it being Trump/Pence feels different somehow, partially because Pence isn't, as far as I recall, in the actual chain of command. It's also, as you point out, different because Trump has already goddamned filed for re-election, which is completely abnormal - this might have come up in 13, but I was out already by then so didn't actually witness it.

Now, unlike civilian law, the military can in fact just hit you with "I just don't fucking like it, you asshole, and you definitely should have known better" under the general article. But I don't know that that will address the broader issue that support of Trump, right now, is inherently political. I'm kind of glad I'm not a platoon sergeant right now.
posted by corb at 9:05 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]


Have we found out what they're claiming those are yet?

They are all financial rollback orders, apparently.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 9:06 AM on February 3


Honestly, Obama campaign flags didn't exist in 09, from what I recall.

I have an Obama/Biden 08 windsock. (Yes, I'm very cool.)
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:07 AM on February 3 [22 favorites]


Now, unlike civilian law, the military can in fact just hit you with "I just don't fucking like it, you asshole, and you definitely should have known better" under the general article.

Yeah, it's not a great move to make active-duty Trump supporters feel that the UCMJ or regs are being stretched to demonize them for their views, either. And the absolute last thing we need is for Trump to step in as CINC and say 'oh no you don't.'
posted by snuffleupagus at 9:07 AM on February 3





Donald is creating jobs and new types of businesses in Canada. Thanks Donnie

Silicon Valley is making plans to move foreign-born workers to Canada
posted by Jalliah at 9:09 AM on February 3 [43 favorites]


IBDB: Donald J Trump
Paris Is Out!
[Play, Comedy, Original]
Produced in association with Donald J. Trump
Feb 02, 1970 - Apr 18, 1970
NYTimes: For a Young Donald J. Trump, Broadway Held Sway
Throughout his interactions with the theater business, he has shown more of an interest in finances than dramaturgy, an instinct for self-promotion, a sense of his own name as a brand, and a willingness to deploy his growing celebrity for a variety of purposes.
Playbill: Looking Back on Donald Trump’s Broadway Venture—And His Playbill Bio
[After "Paris Is Out!" closed], Trump had returned to the family real estate business—though at one point was reportedly considering the idea of a musical based on his life, to be called, simply, Trump. During the run of his reality TV series The Apprentice, Trump announced that he had partnered with Fran and Barry Weissler to produce a musical based on the series, which he was was scheduled for a spring 2006 premiere. The project never came to fruition.
posted by ZeusHumms at 9:09 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Head's up. Spicey's on early today. 12:30 Daily Briefing.
posted by slipthought at 9:09 AM on February 3


Yeah, it's not a great move to make active-duty Trump supporters feel that the UCMJ or regs are being stretched to demonize them for their views, either.

I mean, I've had soldiers given UCMJ for destruction of government property for getting a sunburn, so I don't have this great faith that The UCMJ Is Never Stretched For Bullshit. But you make a fair point that Trump would be super likely to try to interfere in this, which makes it all messy. It'd be a great - for him - pander to his base to be like "How dare they try to punish you just for LOVING ME? ALL MUST LOVE ME AND DESPAIR!"
posted by corb at 9:11 AM on February 3 [9 favorites]


Remember that the Skeksis deserved compassion and pity. They were occluded to themselves. They knew their own ugliness, and remembered they were once beautiful, but had lost any ability to see beauty in wisdom or kindness, so devolved into a race of blinged out torturers.

Remember also that in the episode of Aeon Flux where Bregna is building an insane Rube Goldberg/Heath Robinson border wall that will automatically amputate anyone fleeing into/from Monica that Trevor Goodchild opposed and sabotaged the border wall for humanitarian reasons.

Trump, Conway et al, by contrast, are just monsters who deserve to be imprisoned on the freaking moon, I don't even care, just get them out of power.
posted by byanyothername at 9:11 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


Wasn't Trump signing some executive orders at noon? Have we found out what they're claiming those are yet?

Based on the emails I'm getting this morning from various professional organizations (I'm in banking), it's anticipated to be repealing much of Dodd Frank, and the rule that financial advisors must act in the best interests of their clients. I'm so fucking angry I'm staying in my office all day with the door shut and refusing to talk to anyone.
posted by skycrashesdown at 9:11 AM on February 3 [27 favorites]


[A few comments removed; let's maybe try to skip the "she looks like an evil muppet" stuff even for odious administration mouthpieces.]
posted by cortex at 9:11 AM on February 3 [15 favorites]


Does the "Paid protestors" unreasonably piss anyone else off, or is that just me?

I can't think of a good counter argument or why it doesn't matter if they're paid or not.
posted by INFJ at 9:11 AM on February 3 [6 favorites]


And the absolute last thing we need is for Trump to step in as CINC and say 'oh no you don't.'

Well, that would be a violation of longstanding federal law regarding undue command influence and therefore terms for impeachment, so maybe we kinda do need that?
posted by Etrigan at 9:12 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


This is why I was wondering if it would end in some slap in the wrist for putting flags on motor pool vehicles that aren't supposed to have flags or whatever. Telegraphs that decision makers aren't thrilled with the message sent by the conduct, but doesn't hang some poor individual out to dry who didn't think it through. I'm honestly much less bothered by what people want to put up on their lockers etc, than what they affix to heavy vehicles and drive down the interstate with.

I'm more disturbed by the denial of knowledge of the vehicle which should be very easy to identify given the numbers painted on it that are in full view in the photo.
posted by srboisvert at 9:12 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


Well, that would be a violation of longstanding federal law regarding undue command influence and therefore terms for impeachment, so maybe we kinda do need that?

They'll just wave a souvenir parchment copy of the Constitution around and yell COMMANDER IN CHIEF
posted by snuffleupagus at 9:13 AM on February 3


I can't think of a good counter argument or why it doesn't matter if they're paid or not.

Ask them to follow their own logic. How many paid protesters? How much are they getting paid? Who is paying them? How is there no paper trail?
posted by dinty_moore at 9:13 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]



Does the "Paid protestors" unreasonably piss anyone else off, or is that just me?

Me too, even though I know they know it's not true.
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:13 AM on February 3 [13 favorites]


Well, that would be a violation of longstanding federal law regarding undue command influence and therefore terms for impeachment, so maybe we kinda do need that?

They'll just wave a souvenir parchment copy of the Constitution around and yell COMMANDER IN CHIEF


That's the thing -- they're going to make up whatever they need to make up in order to feel good about their choice. So let's not tiptoe around bad stuff just because it might give them ammunition. They will make up ammunition live on the fucking air and roll with it.
posted by Etrigan at 9:15 AM on February 3 [6 favorites]


I think the paid protestors thing pisses me off because it is SO illogical and SO obviously not true that it just proves to me that people will believe literally anything if the right people say it.
posted by zempf at 9:16 AM on February 3 [15 favorites]


why it doesn't matter if they're paid or not

Well, I mean, if the opposition thinks that protesters are being paid, they'll use that to delegitimize the process. "They're paid! They don't even care about what they're protesting!"

It makes me angry because dammit, I'm not getting paid to protest and organize, I'm doing it because I'm fucking scared out of my mind and this feels like the only thing I can do aside from donating to causes that can do more than I can. I want the opposition to know that I'm spending time away from my PAYING job and my family and my other responsibilities because this shit matters to me and they better fucking hear me.

That's why it matters.
posted by cooker girl at 9:17 AM on February 3 [29 favorites]


Just called and left a message at the Senate Committee on Homeland Security re: Bannon being on the NSC. Voicemail isn't currently full if anyone wants to help fill it.

From SPLC:

We just learned that the Senate Committee on Homeland Security is taking calls about Steve Bannon’s appointment to the National Security Council (NSC).

We’re told that they’re tallying calls. You might get a busy signal but try, try, try again all this weekend. Leave a message if you get through to voicemail. The number: 202-224-4751

Be sure to tell the committee that you believe no individual whose primary responsibility is political in nature should be allowed on the NSC or authorized to attend its meetings.

Partisan politics have no place in our national security.

posted by bluecore at 9:17 AM on February 3 [14 favorites]


You guys, I just watched the German foreign language film "Look Who's Back" on Netflix last night. And it seriously ended up being more thought provoking than any movie I've seen in a very long time.

If you have not seen it, it is most definitely worth your time. It tells the story of Hitler actually traveling forward in time to 2014. The movie has this mild comedic quality for about the first half of the film, until it very much becomes something darkly compelling.

It is billed as a comedy, but really defies genres.

It is so alarmingly topical to the Trump ascension that I wish everyone could watch this movie. I'd like to give it a very strong recommendation if you have a couple of hours free this weekend.
posted by darkstar at 9:20 AM on February 3 [16 favorites]




somewhere in the Aleutians and they can have their white male paradise?

Yo. Aleuts live there. And lots of big bad bears. And neither constituency is on board unless by paradise you meant "buffet table" from a bear's point of view.
posted by spitbull at 9:22 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]



Clemons (the guy who claimed Secret Service members were summarily fired last night) now says that among those fired was the Chief of Information Security. Probably the firings were an attempt to stop the recent leaks.


Speculation I've been reading is that it may be related to the 'leak' that the recording of the Putin call was turned off.
posted by Jalliah at 9:22 AM on February 3


Well, that would be a violation of longstanding federal law regarding undue command influence and therefore terms for impeachment, so maybe we kinda do need that?

IOKIYAR[ussian asset].
posted by adamgreenfield at 9:23 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]


Feinstein signals she’ll run for re-election in 2018

She would be 90 by the end of her term. Jesse Helms was 86 when he died.

If she gets back in, one more would put her in Strom Thurmond territory.
posted by snuffleupagus at 9:24 AM on February 3


I think we're at a horrible crossroads in history, and I don't know if we're gonna make it.

an electorate that has come to believe their vote has no significance whatsoever find that if they can call press the button for what Authority tells them is the most ridiculous option at the same time, they can make the ridiculous happen... The lesson from that was that you could vote for the ridiculous thing and it wouldn't matter because actually your vote didn't have any significance.

I think there's a spoiled child aspect to this. You can vote and do any stupid thing, throw any tantrum, and the adults will fix it before it really hurts anyone. Hasn't everyone been waiting for someone to fix this?

The people in the White House are walking around burning everything down. A lot of the people see this, but most don't. The adults are saying "wait and see, maybe they're not going to burn it all down, maybe it's a misunderstanding" because really, how can this be happening? The people doing the burning are hurrying to get it done before everyone realizes what's going on.
posted by bongo_x at 9:24 AM on February 3 [21 favorites]




Feinstein signals she’ll run for re-election in 2018

That is kind of nutty, but it's not at all unprecedented for a Senator to be a nonagenarian. The word literally means "elder".
posted by dis_integration at 9:27 AM on February 3


There's been a certain strain in American culture for a long time that basically boils down to, "Nuh uh, you can't make me!" When the entire world, every single newspaper editorial board, every professional civil servant, everyone everywhere was saying, "Don't vote for Donald Trump, he's insane and will destroy the country" a certain percentage of the electorate pushed the button even harder because HOW DARE YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO.
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:28 AM on February 3 [43 favorites]


BREAKING: Government reveals more than 100K visas have been revoked as a result of Trump Admin's immigration order during hearing in Va.

Isn't there a "Contempt of Everyone and Everything" remedy?
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 9:28 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


Feinstein signals she’ll run for re-election in 2018

SEE?!?
posted by contraption at 9:28 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


nonagenarian. The word literally means "elder".

Nona- is 'nine.' It literally means ninety-something.
posted by snuffleupagus at 9:29 AM on February 3 [15 favorites]


The claim that protesters are paid is not surprising at all since Trump paid people to go to his rallies (and then didn't pay them). Par for their course of claiming the opposition did what they have actually done/are going to do.
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 9:30 AM on February 3 [10 favorites]




But it's true that 90-something Senators are not unprecedented. That's doesn't make it a hot idea right now.
posted by snuffleupagus at 9:30 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


but it's not at all unprecedented for a Senator to be a nonagenarian. The word literally means "elder".

Nona- is 'nine.' It literally means ninety-something.


Pretty sure they meant Senator means elder.

"The name comes from the ancient Roman Senate (Latin: Senatus), so-called as an assembly of the senior (Latin: senex meaning "the elder" or "the old one") and therefore allegedly wiser and more experienced members of the society or ruling class. Thus, the literal meaning of the word "senate" is: Assembly of Elders."
posted by chris24 at 9:32 AM on February 3 [23 favorites]


I'm cranky enough about agism (being an approaching-50 programmer will do that to ya even if basic human decency won't) that I wouldn't rule out a worthwhile Senator in their 80s & 90s. But Feinstein ain't it at any age. Eff her and her Hollywood-fondling anti-freedom crap. I'll donate to anyone who runs against her or Warner at this point.
posted by phearlez at 9:32 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]




Stressed Spice is late.
posted by MattWPBS at 9:34 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


once again confirming that this administration is fractally weird, Melania Trump’s Absence From Washington Raises Questions About Her Role.

Imagine the shitstorm that would've happened if Michelle Obama blew off paying respects to a fallen SEAL and sent Malia instead.
posted by kirkaracha at 9:35 AM on February 3 [22 favorites]


Pretty sure they meant Senator means elder.

Ah! That makes way more sense.

I had never stopped to wonder if meant anything beyond Member of the Senate.
posted by snuffleupagus at 9:35 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


I'm a bit disappointed that nobody has tried their hand at a Bowling Green Massacree yet. With full orchestration and five part harmony.
posted by Killick at 9:35 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]


Spicer starts the briefing, jokes: "I worked on the tie. Charlie Sheen had some issues with it yesterday."

(context: Charlie Sheen Wants Sean Spicer to ‘Asphyxiate’ With Ugly Tie)
posted by zachlipton at 9:36 AM on February 3


Taking credit for jobs report.
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 9:37 AM on February 3


I want the opposition to know that I'm spending time away from my PAYING job and my family and my other responsibilities because this shit matters to me and they better fucking hear me.

So I think this actually - I thought of this just now - really strikes at kind of this difference between Democratic and some Republican thinking about both protesting and organizing.

So at least in my own observation, the majority of 'Democratic/left-leaning' protest organizers are generally working-to-middle-class women who are not well off enough to work for free. They usually work at some nonprofit, and are also paid at least okay money in a very structured way, because one 'Democratic' principle is about getting paid for work if it's possible. The payments must be consistent, because often people are living off of that. Uniform T-shirts and other signage given out to 'Regular Joe' protesters are usually paid for and produced by the organization, while home made signs are produced by individuals. Food is often either paid for by the organization or donated by various restaurants, etc.

The majority of Republican/right-leaning protest organizers, in my own observation, are middle-class women whose husbands work and support them, and middle-class men who own businesses or have nontraditional work that allows them to structure their hours differently. They are usually not paid by any organization and take pride in not being paid. Sometimes, they'll have 'donation jars' or will hold 'fundraisers', but those donation jars and fundraisers are usually for individuals, not organizations. They pay for their own uniform signs and T-shirts, which I emphasize not because it makes them Moral Scions, but because it was the single weirdest fucking thing when I came over to that side. Like, the campaign or organization produces the image, and they all individually pay to have that very image professionally printed on signs and T-shirts. When food is provided, it is almost never by the organization or campaign. Individual women, working for free as organizers, buy the food and cook it on their own, and bring it as a 'donation'. It's almost never bought, it's almost always home-made.

So to them, the idea that protest organizers are paid by organizations and get free food and free signs and free t-shirts really violates the expectation they have of How You Protest. And that is, I'll note, very much an expectation that rests heavily on class and almost religious expectations, the idea that you must pull your own protest up by its bootstraps or it doesn't deserve to exist. That people should commit to doing the thing, and then only maybe will people give them money to help them, but on a piece meal basis and they shouldn't count on it.
posted by corb at 9:38 AM on February 3 [58 favorites]


Re: Feinstein, it would kinda make sense for her to say she's running again whether she really plans to or not; it enhances her parliamentary deal-making position for people to believe she's still gonna be around in two years to return favors. She can can always bail later with the really good excuse that she is an elderly person with heart problems. Then again, she's Dianne Feinstein so she will probably take the shittiest option and actually run again.
posted by contraption at 9:39 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]


Taking credit for jobs report.

I feel like that may as well have been the free space in the middle of the bingo card.
posted by C'est la D.C. at 9:39 AM on February 3 [34 favorites]


"he understands the importance of talking to other business leaders, [...] other job creators"

Are they even pretending that he's not running his businesses?
posted by MattWPBS at 9:39 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]


Spicer says today's EOs will include the anti-Dodd Frank one.
posted by prefpara at 9:39 AM on February 3


They're going after the CFPB.
posted by snuffleupagus at 9:40 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


They're going after the CFPB.

Also a free space on the Bingo card.
posted by notyou at 9:42 AM on February 3 [8 favorites]


Every time he refers to Maralago as "the winter whitehouse" my eyes roll back in my head and I fall over dead because it's just that stupid.
posted by prefpara at 9:43 AM on February 3 [27 favorites]


BUT HER WALL STREET CRONYISM
posted by yellowbinder at 9:43 AM on February 3 [16 favorites]


> Taking credit for jobs report.

That would be the same jobs report he called "totally fiction" before he assumed office. I commend him for his ability to turn fiction into fact, whether it's the jobs report, feature films, or George Orwell novels.
posted by tonycpsu at 9:43 AM on February 3 [9 favorites]


And that is, I'll note, very much an expectation that rests heavily on class and almost religious expectations, the idea that you must pull your own protest up by its bootstraps or it doesn't deserve to exist. That people should commit to doing the thing, and then only maybe will people give them money to help them, but on a piece meal basis and they shouldn't count on it.

You are saying this like a bad thing, when we've had tons of people in every thread saying "All I had to do was start organizing and people came!" Maybe relying on organizational support is a weakness for the left. Maybe the right is just better at protesting.
posted by TypographicalError at 9:44 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Soft soap Skype seat question to start.
posted by MattWPBS at 9:44 AM on February 3


Is it just me getting a Eurovision vibe from Spicer's Skype section?

The people of Breitbart give President Trump 12 points!
posted by mushhushshu at 9:44 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


I want to add I just had another realization, which is that I really do believe a lot of Republicans/conservatives believe that if you're not well off enough to be able to do it on your own, you should be spending your time making more money for your family rather than protesting. Like, I just came to this right now, so it might be sliiiightly inaccurate, but I really do think they think that 'the poor' or anyone receiving 'charity' should not be protesting the government but rather just focusing on 'their own' situation. Which might also be part of the anger about 'paid protesters' - 'people who couldn't even afford to be here if they weren't being helped!'
posted by corb at 9:44 AM on February 3 [12 favorites]


I'm cranky enough about agism (being an approaching-50 programmer will do that to ya even if basic human decency won't) that I wouldn't rule out a worthwhile Senator in their 80s & 90s.

It's not the age per se, in terms of ability to do the job. It's more I think it's best to elect someone capable of digging in and defending the seat for another few decades, now. Who the hell knows what's coming. There's redistricting on the horizon. Voting investigation hijinks. Even putting Feinstein's lukewarm positions aside, I feel like it's time to anoint the successor. We need to springboard more new national politicians.
posted by snuffleupagus at 9:44 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


dampnut made the stammering grub put on a normal tie and a normal-fitting collar this time
posted by Rust Moranis at 9:45 AM on February 3


Soft soap Skype seat question to start.

And Spicy Sean still can't answer it for shit.
posted by save alive nothing that breatheth at 9:46 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Furthering bluecore's comment upthread:
Just called, line's still open. Fill it up, for whatever it may be worth.
posted by rp at 9:46 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


There's been a certain strain in American culture for a long time that basically boils down to, "Nuh uh, you can't make me!"

Lordy do I ever know you're right, but I wonder if there isn't a frank Dunning-Kruger component to this as well. It feels endemic at the moment, across the political spectrum. Or at least I'm constantly running into people who are utterly serene in their self-assurance, despite clearly not understanding the first thing about the implications of what they are arguing. (Not every last one of them is a comfortable white man, mind you, but it must be said that most of them are. And they just assume they'll be taken seriously — that their mouth-bleatings have meaning and salience, and that their interlocutors will be forced to account for the information they think they're introducing.)

I find myself reaching for theories about the complexity of living in a pervasively networked world, versus the organic limitations on human processing capacity that surely must exist. I don't have the chops to frame this in any particularly rigorous way, but I do think we're overwhelmed by the onrush of new sensory information to the extent that it's psychically necessary to assure ourselves and others that we're competent to deal with it, despite the weight of evidence to the contrary.

If we survive long enough as a civilization to be writing learned histories of this moment in time, I'm reasonably sure we'll come to understand this as one of the root causes of the Great Rupture. We collectively simply weren't competent to process what we were presented with, and were unable to face up to our incompetence.

For my part, I don't mind admitting to my incompetence, but the alternative we seem to be headed for — autonomous algorithmic decision-making systems — well, let's just say I'm not any happier about that.
posted by adamgreenfield at 9:47 AM on February 3 [15 favorites]


There's been a certain strain in American culture for a long time that basically boils down to, "Nuh uh, you can't make me!" When the entire world, every single newspaper editorial board, every professional civil servant, everyone everywhere was saying, "Don't vote for Donald Trump, he's insane and will destroy the country" a certain percentage of the electorate pushed the button even harder because HOW DARE YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO.
posted by soren_lorensen at 12:28 PM on 2/3


Soren, based on the family members I know who voted for Trump, this is PRECISELY why they backed him. I think it's an essential part of the American character. There was a post awhile ago about making voting mandatory in the U.S. and "nuh uh you can't make me" was even my first reaction to the idea!

I think progressives could easily tap into that sentiment. We represent liberty and freedom now- freedom to love who you want, to represent your gender as you want, to live without forced pregnancy, to have access to healthcare so you can be free from sickness.
posted by TheLateGreatAbrahamLincoln at 9:47 AM on February 3 [14 favorites]




This Skype press conference thing is worrisome because they seem to be leaning heavily towards scripting it with sympathetic local news hacks.
posted by Burhanistan at 9:48 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


Fox News:

+292,000 jobs December 2015: "Modest"

+227,000 jobs January 2017: "Fantastic!.. Huge!"
--@Craigipedia
posted by zachlipton at 9:48 AM on February 3 [62 favorites]


Like all scripted with one question.
posted by Burhanistan at 9:49 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


I want to add I just had another realization, which is that I really do believe a lot of Republicans/conservatives believe that if you're not well off enough to be able to do it on your own, you should be spending your time making more money for your family rather than protesting. Like, I just came to this right now, so it might be sliiiightly inaccurate, but I really do think they think that 'the poor' or anyone receiving 'charity' should not be protesting the government but rather just focusing on 'their own' situation. Which might also be part of the anger about 'paid protesters' - 'people who couldn't even afford to be here if they weren't being helped!'

I mean, yeah. Why do you think that one of the more popular refrains about protesters are that they should get a job instead of protesting? Obviously the problem is that they just haven't tried hard enough at being rich.
posted by dinty_moore at 9:49 AM on February 3 [10 favorites]


This Skype press conference thing is worrisome because they seem to be leaning heavily towards scripting it with sympathetic local news hacks.

That was the whole point. Instead of dodging questions from real sources, they can just call on Birth Certificate Weekly. It's another tool of authoritarianism out of Putin's playbook.
posted by T.D. Strange at 9:50 AM on February 3 [32 favorites]


New Hampshire guy asked a skype question about homegrown fentanyl labs, Spicyboy talks about border security again. Exactly like yesterday with the homegrown terrorism question. No one seems to notice or care
posted by theodolite at 9:50 AM on February 3 [13 favorites]


Holy shit these "Skype seats".

"And now we'll go to the local news hacks fresh off a segment about a dancing bear".
posted by dis_integration at 9:50 AM on February 3 [8 favorites]


The thing about what's happening right now, corb, is that it is very much protests pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and no money or donations are coming from anywhere. Someone posts in a Facebook group saying, "I can't be quiet about this anymore, I'm going to go $place at $time and anyone who wants to join me, come on down." Or "Holy shit did you see this? I'm going over there to see if I can help." It's a different situation than the left-leaning norm of Planned Parenthood, NARAL and unions organizing actions and demonstrations (those things are still happening, but they are making it into the news way less than the mass mobilizations).
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:51 AM on February 3 [24 favorites]


Yo. Aleuts live there. And lots of big bad bears. And neither constituency is on board unless by paradise you meant "buffet table" from a bear's point of view.


Give the Aleuts a vacation in Bermuda for a few weeks.

They can come back when the bears are done.
posted by ocschwar at 9:51 AM on February 3 [6 favorites]


I have some friends who are considering setting up a service which people could donate money, and tee up tweets and twitter credentials. Then the service would tweet back to @realdonaldtrump any time he tweets, to say that a donation was just made to the ACLU on the donor's behalf. I assume such a service would be a money transmitter as far as FinCEN is concerned, and I'm wondering how bad the regulatory burden would be. Anyone know where to start researching this?
posted by Coventry at 9:54 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Spicer says they know who the thugs are! Great news.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 9:55 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


[fake, parody] The Postillion: “Börder Wåll”: IKEA offers Trump an affordable solution
posted by ZeusHumms at 9:55 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


I find myself reaching for theories about the complexity of living in a pervasively networked world, versus the organic limitations on human processing capacity that surely must exist. I don't have the chops to frame this in any particularly rigorous way, but I do think we're overwhelmed by the onrush of new sensory information to the extent that it's psychically necessary to assure ourselves and others that we're competent to deal with it, despite the weight of evidence to the contrary.


I've been working on this theory for a while myself. Faced with this level of complexity and this firehose of information there's kind of one of two ways you can go to keep from being overwhelmed: trust vetted experts, or trust no one but yourself.
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:56 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


I've always been disturbed by the whole "Skype seats" thing because Trump supporters came up with it as a term to describe Jews that would get around filters (cw: whole lotta bigotry).
posted by zombieflanders at 9:56 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]


It's a different situation than the left-leaning norm of Planned Parenthood, NARAL and unions organizing actions and demonstrations (those things are still happening, but they are making it into the news way less than the mass mobilizations).

Oh yeah, you're 1000% right and it's why I'm kind of excited. (Like, whoa, people are even bringing out the general strike!? Whaaaaat!?) But I don't think those perceptions are really trickling in because people aren't aware enough of what the old perception was to be able to contrast it with the new perception - and also I think people are worried about stepping on toes by seeming to implicitly criticize the old way by praising the new way.
posted by corb at 9:57 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


> I have some friends who are considering setting up a service which people could donate money, and tee up tweets and twitter credentials.

This is a great idea! I think you could get around the money transmitter idea by using something like Stripe to charge cards as necessary. You should post an AskMe about this :)
posted by zrail at 9:57 AM on February 3


How is Spicer going to handle it when he can't blow off questions by saying "we have to get so and so confirmed first?"
posted by zachlipton at 9:57 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]




Go Arizona ABC. That wasn't a soft scripted question.

"What are you doing about the VA, the poor care and suicide rates? What are you doing about transparency, with secret meetings on the tarmac, etc?"
posted by MattWPBS at 9:57 AM on February 3 [15 favorites]



FYI if wtf and fuck and shit is getting repetitious or you need friendlier terms.

Alternative Cuss Words
posted by Jalliah at 9:58 AM on February 3 [9 favorites]


Oh god, talk radio question. "Thanks for taking questions from outside the elite media bubble".
posted by MattWPBS at 9:59 AM on February 3 [11 favorites]


I have some friends who are considering setting up a service which people could donate money, and tee up tweets and twitter credentials. Then the service would tweet back to @realdonaldtrump any time he tweets, to say that a donation was just made to the ACLU on the donor's behalf. I assume such a service would be a money transmitter as far as FinCEN is concerned, and I'm wondering how bad the regulatory burden would be. Anyone know where to start researching this?

Depends how you build it and whether the ACLU and other orgs will cooperate. If they let people establish accounts with stored payment methods on their own site, and let you submit donations via an API key, stored credentials, etc, you would never be handling the money. You'd just be a scheduling service, like an eBay sniper.
posted by snuffleupagus at 9:59 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Spicer goes to Alamaba talk radio by Skype. Question starts with "Thank you very much for taking questions from outside the elite media bubble there in DC" and goes to (paraphrased) 'why haven't you ended DACA yet?'

So this is fine.
posted by zachlipton at 9:59 AM on February 3 [9 favorites]


murphy slaw: once again confirming that this administration is fractally weird, Melania Trump’s Absence From Washington Raises Questions About Her Role.

WaPo pulling no punches. Religious law may be coming to America. But it’s not sharia; it’s Christian. Much-dreaded “sharia law,” or something resembling it, may well be coming to the United States. Just not in the form many Americans expected.

Wasn't Laura Bush pretty much a void in terms of First Lady Presence? History.com has this summary:
Laura Bush (1946-) was an American first lady and the wife of George W. Bush, 43rd president of the United States. As a former public shool teacher and librarian, Laura Bush championed the causes of education and literacy before and during her time in the White House. As first lady, she helped create the National Book Festival and later founded the Laura Bush Foundation to provide funding for America’s libraries.
WHAT. THE. FUCK. As First Lady, she created a foundation to provide grants to school libraries? YOU WERE THE FIRST LADY! GET THE PRESIDENT TO SUPPORT THAT WITH NATIONAL FUNDING!

That's some "Box Tops for Education" level bullshit. "Why does the government need to fund schools and libraries when the people are happy to do it themselves? Look, even private businesses are getting in on the giving back!" Except just like every other example of "crowdfunding," equatable distribution is lacking, and the wealthy schools are generally the winners, where the government can be better at broad distribution, and even distribution based on need, instead of based on who buys General Mills products instead of cheaper alternatives, and who has the money to directly donate back to schools.
posted by filthy light thief at 10:00 AM on February 3 [11 favorites]


MattWPBS: Oh god, talk radio question. "Thanks for taking questions from outside the elite media bubble".

"And when are you getting rid of all the non-whites" [summarized]
posted by slipthought at 10:00 AM on February 3 [6 favorites]


Hey guys, serious question. What would it take us to get credentialed for some of those Skype seats?
posted by corb at 10:01 AM on February 3 [20 favorites]


I want to add I just had another realization, which is that I really do believe a lot of Republicans/conservatives believe that if you're not well off enough to be able to do it on your own, you should be spending your time making more money for your family rather than protesting.

If this is true, it reflects the false belief on the part of many conservatives that the economic/social/political system we currently have is basically fair, and anyone who isn't well enough off to have "earned" the right to protest simply isn't working hard enough. When in fact the reason people protest is often exactly to attack unjust systems that are barriers to them even being able to have a fair shot at being able to work toward financial security.
posted by biogeo at 10:01 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]


Oh good lord, he took a question from a conservative radio host. Fuck this noise.
posted by scruffy-looking nerfherder at 10:01 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


Hey guys, serious question. What would it take us to get credentialed for some of those Skype seats?

A cold day in hell.
posted by snuffleupagus at 10:02 AM on February 3 [6 favorites]


with secret meetings on the tarmac

yes, this was a soft scripted question.
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:02 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Sens. Graham, Whitehouse Announce Probe Of Russian Election Interference

So there are actually two Senate investigations. One in the Senate Intelligence Committee and one in the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism.
posted by diogenes at 10:03 AM on February 3 [24 favorites]


I imagine they're specifically picking the Skype seats to be alt-right voices.

So "A lot of work to disguise ourselves"
posted by Archelaus at 10:03 AM on February 3 [13 favorites]


April Ryan: Does Trump still believe Frederick Douglass is alive? [fake]
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 10:03 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Hey guys, serious question. What would it take us to get credentialed for some of those Skype seats?

Zach Lipton, MetaFilter. Sean, after dumping my partner already, I forgot to put the chicken in the fridge and left the package on top of a plate of beans. Can I eat it if there are no declawed cats in my apartment?
posted by zachlipton at 10:04 AM on February 3 [59 favorites]


Would they credential Metafilter?
posted by ZeusHumms at 10:04 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


What would it take us to get credentialed for some of those Skype seats?

I'm guessing we'd have to sell our souls? Those seats are pretty much all white nationalist voices (I WILL NOT normalize it by calling it "alt-right," as if it's an okay alternative to the Right).
posted by cooker girl at 10:04 AM on February 3 [9 favorites]


A shiny firefighter's axe in the skull.
posted by Burhanistan at 10:04 AM on February 3


corb: Hey guys, serious question. What would it take us to get credentialed for some of those Skype seats?

Get in good with the _rump camp, because, just like everything else, they're making this shit up as they go (The Hill, Jan. 23, 2017):
Spicer did not specify how it would be decided which outlets would be brought in via Skype, the world's largest video call service owned by Microsoft. He did say those eligible for consideration need to live more than 50 miles from Washington.

Spicer added that the technology would open up briefings to a “diverse group” of journalists who can’t afford to travel to D.C.

The former Republican National Committee spokesman told The Hill earlier this month that taking questions from those not physically in the room was being considered.

“Maybe we solicit talk radio and regional newspapers to submit questions — because they can't afford to be in Washington — but they still have a question," Spicer said in an interview Jan. 8. "Maybe we just let the American people submit questions that we read off as well,” he added.
"Maybe we'll just make up questions that lead us to reporting on topics we want to talk about, instead of all these, boring, serious questions."
posted by filthy light thief at 10:05 AM on February 3 [14 favorites]


Oh, I dunno that it would be that hard. The site's all text, and they're not big readers.
posted by contraption at 10:06 AM on February 3 [11 favorites]


Enjoy the EOs bitches! I'm out! Spicy Sean, y'all!
posted by snuffleupagus at 10:07 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


Normalizing wasn't my intent there, but I'll call that a fair point.
posted by Archelaus at 10:07 AM on February 3


"Have a great weekend! The president is about to sign new executive orders!"
posted by Burhanistan at 10:07 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


So that's the second time Spicer has blown off questions about homegrown extremism and white supremacy to say something about "radical Islam" and the border. April Ryan was not what I would call pleased.
posted by zachlipton at 10:07 AM on February 3 [9 favorites]


and off he goes with a little smirk, like my dog when it thinks I didn't see it eat that cat shit.
posted by Rust Moranis at 10:08 AM on February 3 [19 favorites]


WOW this Der Spiegel cover.
posted by lalex at 10:08 AM on February 3 [49 favorites]


You guys, I just watched the German foreign language film "Look Who's Back" on Netflix last night. And it seriously ended up being more thought provoking than any movie I've seen in a very long time.

I watched this during the primaries. It was....prescient. To say the least. I recommend it highly.
posted by Sophie1 at 10:08 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]


I watched it during the primaries and it contributed to my dawning horror.
posted by corb at 10:09 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


I'm finding The Young Pope even to be a bit too on the nose.
posted by soren_lorensen at 10:09 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Regarding Dianne Feinstein: If she is going to run again, I am going to do everything in my power to see that she loses. Previously, I just didn't give a shit, but she has FAR outlasted her comfy position.
posted by Sophie1 at 10:10 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]


btw, Milo attending the briefing turned out to be another troll (color me unsurprised that a troll trolled us). He went to New York to rant on cable news instead.
posted by zachlipton at 10:10 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


Oh, and I started following @govtrack on Twitter, on the advice of my Ask and... their social media person is sassy!
posted by soren_lorensen at 10:11 AM on February 3


Oral argument at SCOTUS in the Gavin Grimm case (Virginia transgender teen who was told he could not use the boy's bathroom) has been set for March 28.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 10:11 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]




Serious question. Were the previous administration's press briefings like this ? Did they start with the crazy propaganda spin about how amazing they are?
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 10:13 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


it's anticipated to be repealing much of Dodd Frank, and the rule that financial advisors must act in the best interests of their clients.

This is the fiduciary rule that Obama imposed on financial advisors that was due to go into effect in April. With its repeal, this means that financial advisors will still be allowed to fleece their customers legally. They can recommend that you make investments that provide the highest commissions for themselves or their brokerage, not the best for their customers.

It is as if doctors were permitted to prescribe unnecessary back surgery for you just because they have a payment coming due for their new Porsche. That's the new Trump rule for financial advisors -- screw the working class out of their 401(k) retirement.

How's that white working class economic anxiety Trump was supposed to fix working out fer ya?
posted by JackFlash at 10:13 AM on February 3 [16 favorites]


WHOA WHOA WHOA, YOU GUYS. Too soon on the Bowling Green Massacre jokes. At least wait until after it happens.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 10:15 AM on February 3 [98 favorites]


"Hi , we're MetaFilter, an online discussion forum (like Reddit) where users from all over Real America get together to talk politics and have fun! We are excited to learn more about the president's plans to #MAGA and would be honored to have an opportunity to ask Mr. Spicer a question via Skype at a real briefing!"
posted by contraption at 10:17 AM on February 3 [74 favorites]


I don't give a fuck what they call us, we're still protesting, so fuck 'em.
posted by yoga at 10:17 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


You're a little too good at that, contraption.
posted by soren_lorensen at 10:17 AM on February 3 [18 favorites]


Serious question. Were the previous administration's press briefings like this ? Did they start with the crazy propaganda spin about how amazing they are?

There was always a bit of spin about the cool stuff the President was up to. But this spin is so spinny that it makes Spicer visibly dizzy and nauseous. Hence why he has to run out so quickly every time, so he can get to the bathroom before his metaphorical vomiting on the press becomes literal.
posted by dis_integration at 10:18 AM on February 3 [9 favorites]



How's that white working class economic anxiety Trump was supposed to fix working out fer ya?

To be fair, the working class don't generally have financial advisors. Hell, I don't even have one.
posted by soren_lorensen at 10:19 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


I have some friends who are considering setting up a service which people could donate money, and tee up tweets and twitter credentials.

This Mefi Project may be of interest. Apparently unsolicited @ replies to tweets are a violation of the TOS.
posted by COD at 10:22 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]



"Hi , we're MetaFilter, an online discussion forum (like Reddit) where users from all over Real America get together to talk politics and have fun! We are excited to learn more about the president's plans to #MAGA and would be honored to have an opportunity to ask Mr. Spicer a question via Skype at a real briefing!"


Which would be cool. At least until the poor mods (and us) would have to deal with the Trumpie Troll brigade or at least the ones willing to fork out the $ money for librul tears.
posted by Jalliah at 10:22 AM on February 3 [15 favorites]


Did they start with the crazy propaganda spin about how amazing they are?

Yes and no:
Yes, in the sense that they spun news as favorably as possible towards the administration.
No, in the sense that what Spicer is doing is less "spin" than "fucking lying".

"Spin" is "Despite coming in under projections, the jobs report is still positive news and shows that the market is responding positively to the President's programs."
"Fucking lying" is "There were 1.5 million people at the Inauguration."
posted by Etrigan at 10:22 AM on February 3 [18 favorites]


WaPo pulling no punches.

Religious law may be coming to America. But it’s not sharia; it’s Christian.

Much-dreaded “sharia law,” or something resembling it, may well be coming to the United States. Just not in the form many Americans expected.

That is, the religiously motivated laws creeping into public policymaking aren’t based on the Koran, and they aren’t coming from mythical hard-line Islamists in, say, Dearborn, Mich. They’re coming from the White House, which wants to make it easier for hard-line Christians to impose their beliefs and practices on the rest of us.


A dark parallel in a majority Muslim nation (that isn't on the "do not enter" list): Indonesian court gives go-ahead to blasphemy trial of Jakarta governor Ahok (The Guardian, December 27, 2016)
An Indonesian court will proceed with a controversial blasphemy trial against Jakarta’s Christian governor, who is accused of insulting the Qur’an, a judge said on Tuesday.

The case is seen as a test of religious freedom in the Muslim-majority nation.

A panel of judges rejected a call by lawyers defending governor Basuki Tjahaja Purnama, who is known by his nickname Ahok, to strike down the case because it had violated the ethnic Chinese politician’s human rights and breached procedures.
Popular Christian governor is targeted ahead of upcoming elections because he's not supporting the majority religion, despite the country supposedly being based on tolerance, what with their national motto -- Bhinneka Tunggal Ika, which is Old Javanese and translates as "Unity in Diversity". You know, like E pluribus unum —Latin for "Out of many, one."
posted by filthy light thief at 10:22 AM on February 3 [6 favorites]


I just want to update, since I spread the original reports last night, it seems that Secret Service managers were not, in fact, forced to resign. Steve Clemons says it was actually the Chief Information Security Officer (possibly others from that office) that was forced to resign and escorted out.

Want to bet this is all so they can hand it over to Rudy Guiliani?
posted by zachlipton at 10:24 AM on February 3 [10 favorites]


I am and/or have been a working class person in the UK, and I have bought financial products and also consulted advisors once or twice.
posted by tel3path at 10:25 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


Want to bet this is all so they can hand it over to Rudy Guiliani?

It's not a plan, it's flailing. Someone will doubtless profit from it, but that's a "happy" accident, not the original intent.
posted by Etrigan at 10:25 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


To be fair, the working class don't generally have financial advisors. Hell, I don't even have one.

I'll grant that the definition of "working class" at this point is so malleable that it could refer to white part-time workers as easily as it could to white millionaires. White seems to be the only non-negotiable qualification.

But anybody with a 401k, as JackFlash mentioned, technically has a financial adviser, even if it's not somebody they ever call up and talk to personally. Which mostly encompasses the middle class, but again: nobody agrees on what "working class" actually means, but we do know that the majority of Trump supporters are actually middle class even if they self-define as "working class".

So, ultimately, it's still a matter of Trump screwing his "economically anxious" supporters so his Wall Street buddies can get richer.
posted by tobascodagama at 10:26 AM on February 3 [11 favorites]


Thank you, dis_integration and Etrigan!

I liked how Spicer answered a question about approval rating being in the 40s by claiming he saw one where it was 51%. They don't even have some Brietbart poll with higher cooked numbers?
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 10:26 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


I know people who feel that regulations are getting in the way of businesses and hurting our economy. The one that was cited to me was about a couple who wanted to sell a food at the Farmer's market but it was too expensive for them to comply with the law, so they can't sell it now. The people cited both retired in their 50s and I am supposed to feel bad that they can't sell things that could get people sick.
posted by soelo at 10:27 AM on February 3 [8 favorites]


Serious question. Were the previous administration's press briefings like this ? Did they start with the crazy propaganda spin about how amazing they are?

There's always some spin and question-dodging, but the current approach is, in fact, 'unpresidented' in that it goes beyond spin and into the realm of outright fabrication (eg, inaugural attendance numbers). Here's the February 3rd 2009 briefing, by contrast.

The practice of press briefings being broadcast live only dates back to the Clinton Administration (and the growth of cable news), so we're really only able to draw a straight comparison to Obama, Bush II, and Clinton.
posted by cjelli at 10:27 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


To be fair, the working class don't generally have financial advisors. Hell, I don't even have one.

Do you have a 401(k)? You employer chooses which mutual funds are available for you to invest in. Your employer can choose the funds and manager that provides the most fees for them, not for you.
posted by JackFlash at 10:29 AM on February 3 [11 favorites]


"Hi , we're MetaFilter, an online discussion forum (like Reddit) where users from all over Real America get together to talk politics and have fun! We are excited to learn more about the president's plans to #MAGA and would be honored to have an opportunity to ask Mr. Spicer a question via Skype at a real briefing!"

Which would be cool. At least until the poor mods (and us) would have to deal with the Trumpie Troll brigade or at least the ones willing to fork out the $ money for librul tears
.

They know who were are. MeFi has an ED entry. I'm not going to link it.
posted by snuffleupagus at 10:29 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


In which Kellyanne Conway feuds with Chelsea Clinton on Twitter

Imagine if you're a voter who doesn't care about Twitter (I want to be this person) and just wants our senior government officials to not spend their time getting into internet arguments with former first daughters over fake massacres.
posted by zachlipton at 10:30 AM on February 3 [28 favorites]


I assume people with 403(b)s would be affected as well?
posted by soelo at 10:30 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


So "A lot of work to disguise ourselves"

"John Barron, Mar-a-Lago Times. Mr. Spicer, the Trump administration has the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why is it so popular?"

Recycle everything. Even jokes.
posted by Servo5678 at 10:30 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]


Thanks for the update, zachlipton. I tried to follow that news up this morning, and the results were page after page of "cascadiatruthnews" and "conservativefact" "survivaltipsUSA," so I went back to Peggle.
posted by notyou at 10:30 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


AP: State Department says fewer than 60,000 visas canceled under Trump's order, contradicting U.S. attorney's figure.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 10:37 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


For those wondering, filling out the Kamala poll does put you on her mailing list.
posted by jenfullmoon at 10:39 AM on February 3


I'm a little disappointed at the lack of thoughts and prayers for Bowling Green.
posted by monospace at 10:42 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]


Earlier this week, there was critical coverage on Bob Iger's involvement on the Trump Panel

CartoonBrew: The Disney Company Needs To Get Out of Trump’s Bed, based on a series of critical tweets.

Variety: Bob Iger’s Participation on Trump Panel Kicking Up a Storm
posted by ZeusHumms at 10:42 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


AP: State Department says fewer than 60,000 visas canceled under Trump's order, contradicting U.S. attorney's figure.

that's still almost three orders of magnitude more visas than people the administration claims were "inconvenienced" by the EO.
posted by murphy slaw at 10:44 AM on February 3 [9 favorites]


For those wondering, filling out the Kamala poll does put you on her mailing list.

And just to be clear, it's super easy to unsubscribe.
posted by cooker girl at 10:44 AM on February 3


I am enjoying the Kamala mailing list. There'll be a round of comments on MetaFilter: "Call your congressfolk about X!" and while I'm thinking of it, I'll get an email from Kamala saying, "X is terrible and we need to stop it." (Followed by, "so plz hand me money," but I expect that part.)
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 10:46 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


Want to bet this is all so they can hand it over to Rudy Guiliani?

I think "trying to plug the leaks" is a slightly more likely explanation. Why would rearranging the org chart for Giuliani be a priority?
posted by Coventry at 10:48 AM on February 3


I'm a little disappointed at the lack of thoughts and prayers for Bowling Green.

I've got to wonder what it's like to live in Bowling Green and wake up to this, actually. Especially if you're a Trumpist, does it make you stop and wonder for a second? Like, how does the cognitive dissonance work in that case?
posted by dinty_moore at 10:50 AM on February 3 [20 favorites]


Patrick Caldwell: Trump's Health Pick Has a Long History of Boosting the Confederate Flag
In 2004, Price co-sponsored a bill with five other Republican state senators that included a host of measures to celebrate the history of the losing side of the Civil War. The measure stalled, but had it been signed into law, April would have become Confederate History and Heritage Month in Georgia. (That eventually happened in 2009.) The 1956 flag would have been renamed the "Georgia Memorial Flag," and it would have been flown above the state Capitol twice a year, on Confederate Memorial Day and Robert E. Lee's birthday.

Price's views on the Confederate flag came up briefly during his hearing before the Senate's health committee last month, when Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) pressed Price on his 2004 bill. "I note that the resolution that commemorated the time of Southern independence mentions nothing about slavery," Kaine said. Price tried to dodge the inquiry, noting that he hadn't thought about the topic for a long time. But when pushed, Price said, "Well, I think every heritage has things that are good about it. Every heritage has things that are harmful about it. And I'm happy to answer the specific question: I think slavery was an abomination."

The Confederate flag has been less of an issue for Price's political career since he moved to national politics. But in July 2015, when controversy around the use of the Confederate flag in South Carolina attracted national attention, Price joined the vast majority of Republicans who voted down an anti-Confederate flag measure introduced by Democratic House leader Nancy Pelosi.
posted by zombieflanders at 10:51 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


I tried to follow that news up this morning, and the results were page after page of "cascadiatruthnews" and "conservativefact" "survivaltipsUSA," so I went back to Peggle.

To his credit, Clemon walked the story back on his twitter feed.
posted by Coventry at 10:52 AM on February 3


Especially if you're a Trumpist, does it make you stop and wonder for a second? Like, how does the cognitive dissonance work in that case?

they don't care. as far as they are concerned kellyanne just cucked the entire left.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 10:52 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


But like, the DoJ is under oath and the State dept is not, so I'm still more inclined to believe the DoJ figure.
posted by orangutan at 10:53 AM on February 3 [7 favorites]


the time of Southern independence

independence, treason, let's not quibble over nomenclature
posted by murphy slaw at 10:53 AM on February 3 [22 favorites]




the time of Southern independence

independence, treason, let's not quibble over nomenclature


I prefer to think of it as "the time the South got its ass kicked so hard it surrendered unconditionally to an alcoholic".
posted by Etrigan at 10:56 AM on February 3 [22 favorites]


CNBC: Trump says will cut "a lot out of Dodd-Frank" because "friends of mine that have nice businesses, they can't borrow"

@Phil_Mattingly: Pres. Trump, to JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon: "There's nobody better to tell me about Dodd-Frank than Jamie, so thank you, Jamie."
posted by zombieflanders at 10:56 AM on February 3 [6 favorites]


Trump says will cut "a lot out of Dodd-Frank" because "friends of mine that have nice businesses, they can't borrow"

I can't. Where is the fake tag. TELL ME THERE IS A FAKE TAG.
posted by lydhre at 10:59 AM on February 3 [32 favorites]




Hey, remember when Hillary was unacceptable because of her ties to Wall Street?
posted by zachlipton at 10:59 AM on February 3 [106 favorites]


I assume such a service would be a money transmitter as far as FinCEN is concerned, and I'm wondering how bad the regulatory burden would be. Anyone know where to start researching this?

This is creepy... I had no idea that Trump was putting out that EO on financial regulation when I asked that question.
posted by Coventry at 11:00 AM on February 3




CNBC: Trump says will cut "a lot out of Dodd-Frank" because "friends of mine that have nice businesses, they can't borrow"

provisions of the law concerning naughty businesses will remain intact
posted by murphy slaw at 11:02 AM on February 3 [11 favorites]




"Friends of mine that have nice businesses, they can't borrow"

Is this not admission of conflict of interest?
posted by INFJ at 11:06 AM on February 3 [27 favorites]


I need to stop reading comments on sad articles about families separated by the ban. It's seriously 100% non-hyperbolicly destroying my last shreds of my faith in humanity.
posted by soren_lorensen at 11:07 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


I live in Louisville and a lot of my local friends are Western Kentucky University (located in Bowling Green) alums. My facebook feed today has been amazing.
posted by chaoticgood at 11:09 AM on February 3 [8 favorites]


Is this not admission of conflict of interest?

The president can't have a conflict of interest, don'tcha know.
posted by murphy slaw at 11:09 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


Trump can't have a conflict of interest.

He has multiple.
posted by mazola at 11:10 AM on February 3 [9 favorites]


Look's like Omarosa's getting an already injured leg checked. Nothing newsworthy.
posted by snuffleupagus at 11:12 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]




Daniel Dale tallies them up: "Donald Trump has been president for two weeks. He has made 33 false claims" (he only does things Trump has personally said, as he would presumably need a 500 person staff to keep up with Conway and company)
posted by zachlipton at 11:18 AM on February 3 [17 favorites]


Trump's comments about Dodd-Frank would be like a president complaining that their asbestos-manufacturing friends just couldn't get work because of all these pesky regulations.

Earth to Trump: no shit. That's the point of the regulations.
posted by tocts at 11:22 AM on February 3 [35 favorites]


For Christ’s sake, you people made me get rid of my peanut farm.

Why does the Onion seem less fake than the real news now?
posted by Zalzidrax at 11:23 AM on February 3 [22 favorites]


CNBC: Trump says will cut "a lot out of Dodd-Frank" because "friends of mine that have nice businesses, they can't borrow"

Literally anyone who was paying attention knew this asshole would be a corrupt, walking conflict of interest, but does he really have to rub our fucking noses in it like that??
posted by DynamiteToast at 11:24 AM on February 3 [19 favorites]


Trump's comments about Dodd-Frank would be like a president complaining that their asbestos-manufacturing friends just couldn't get work because of all these pesky regulations.

Funny you should draw that comparison -- HuffPo:
Throughout his career, Trump has demonstrated a distinct lack of compassion for asbestos victims, calling an anti-asbestos law “stupid” in his 1997 book and irresponsibly claiming asbestos is “also 100 percent safe, once applied.”
posted by cjelli at 11:25 AM on February 3 [24 favorites]




Technically it's okay because Trump doesn't have any true friends.
posted by The Card Cheat at 11:25 AM on February 3 [2 favorites]


but does he really have to rub our fucking noses in it like that??

If he really is a malignant narcissist, yes, that's the nature of the disorder.
posted by saulgoodman at 11:26 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


Statement by National Security Advisor Michael T. Flynn on Iran

Do you think this went through any channels or did he just type it out himself?
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 11:27 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


(Trump did say "there's no formal chain of command here", though)
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 11:28 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


but does he really have to rub our fucking noses in it like that??

When you're the president, they let you do it. You can do anything.
posted by uncleozzy at 11:28 AM on February 3 [9 favorites]


Authorization of Use of Force Against Iran Resolution

Before anyone dives into their bomb shelters--we covered this a couple posts ago. It's some whackdoo (Democrat!) FL rep who I guess has some sort of bomb Iran hobby horse he likes to get up on.
posted by soren_lorensen at 11:28 AM on February 3 [9 favorites]


Has the president signed a single bill into law yet? The Legislation page on the White House site is just a bunch of nothing. Who needs those other two branches of government, anyway?
posted by mbrubeck at 11:28 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]




he can't sign any new laws until he repeals at least two

[fake]
posted by murphy slaw at 11:31 AM on February 3 [12 favorites]


Literally anyone who was paying attention knew this asshole would be a corrupt, walking conflict of interest, but does he really have to rub our fucking noses in it like that??

I don't think he even realized how much harm that statement is going to cause when he said it.
posted by Coventry at 11:32 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner worked to sink LGBT order

Great if true. However, I'd like national policy debates NOT to start with the words. "But Daaaaaaaaddyyyyyy..."
posted by MonkeyToes at 11:32 AM on February 3 [53 favorites]


At least Flynn acknowledges that it was a Saudi vessel that was attacked.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 11:33 AM on February 3


Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner worked to sink LGBT order

That's great. Work harder, assholes.
posted by prize bull octorok at 11:34 AM on February 3 [32 favorites]


RobotVoodooPower: who's left to write the resolutions?
posted by morspin at 11:35 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Has the president signed a single bill into law yet?

He's signed two so far, according to GovTrack:
1. S. 84: A bill to provide for an exception to a limitation against appointment of persons as Secretary of Defense within seven years of relief from active duty as a regular commissioned officer of the Armed Forces.
2. H.R. 72: GAO Access and Oversight Act of 2017

A bill was signed into law by Obama on January 20th, so if you look at counts of 'Bills enacted by the current congress' the count of bills enacted by Trump will be off by one.
posted by cjelli at 11:36 AM on February 3 [4 favorites]


Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner worked to sink LGBT order

Ivanka and Jared have gone to extraordinary lengths lately through leaks to get the press to paint them as the "reasonable" ones and publicly distance themselves from the more odious stuff. We shouldn't fall for it––they are both fully responsible for the awfulness and could actually distance themselves by not being active participants, but it's fascinating to me how much they feel the need to give that appearance.
posted by zachlipton at 11:39 AM on February 3 [95 favorites]


Has the president signed a single bill into law yet? The Legislation page on the White House site is just a bunch of nothing.

It looks like the only bills Congress has passed since inauguration are the waiver for Mattis (which he presumably signed), some thing about the GAO that doesn't seem to have been partisan, and something "disapproving of a rule" by the Department of the Interior that only passed yesterday and, were I a betting man, would assume he'll sign at some point, disapproving of rules as he does.

He can't sign what Congress doesn't pass, and given the incredibly ghoulish makeup of Congress right now, maybe not having to fight fires on that particular front right now isn't a horrible thing.
posted by Copronymus at 11:39 AM on February 3


He's signed two so far, according to GovTrack:
1. S. 84: A bill to provide for an exception to a limitation against appointment of persons as Secretary of Defense within seven years of relief from active duty as a regular commissioned officer of the Armed Forces.


His first act as President was to weaken civilian control of the military. It's not a coincidence.
posted by Horace Rumpole at 11:40 AM on February 3 [6 favorites]


This article is one of the the greatest articles. Believe me, it's a great article. Says that when people are talking about the overrated president, whose totally failing by the way, they should use the best words, do the best talking.
Everyone agrees. People said to me that it's a good idea, the best idea.
posted by Just this guy, y'know at 11:40 AM on February 3 [6 favorites]


In silliest vote news [UK edition], someone on Question Time voted for Brexit because she saw a straight banana.
posted by threetwentytwo at 11:42 AM on February 3 [9 favorites]


We shouldn't fall for it––they are both fully responsible for the awfulness and could actually distance themselves by not being active participants, but it's fascinating to me how much they feel the need to give that appearance.

Rich New York liberals could do a lot of good for the country by stopping inviting them to fucking dinner parties. Social shaming works. Boo Mike Pence at Hamilton. Shout "Shame!" at every Republican congressman in the streets of DC. Stop having dinner with fucking Ivanka and Jared.

They're monsters. They shouldn't get to enjoy the fruits of the society they're trying to destroy in peace.
posted by T.D. Strange at 11:44 AM on February 3 [80 favorites]


The Confederate flag has been less of an issue for Price's political career since he moved to national politics. But in July 2015, when controversy around the use of the Confederate flag in South Carolina attracted national attention, Price joined the vast majority of Republicans who voted down an anti-Confederate flag measure introduced by Democratic House leader Nancy Pelosi.
Oh hey, new thread so I'll beat the drum again: it's the traitor flag.

No, I will not stop trying to make fetch traitor happen.
posted by phearlez at 11:44 AM on February 3 [17 favorites]


You know, a few months ago, I'm going to admit I honestly had some hesitation about labeling Bannon a white supremacist. He was awful and responsible for enabling a lot of racism, but I, naively, had some concern we were diluting that label a little bit, overplaying our hand, if we applied it to him as opposed to the more obviously cartoonishly evil characters we normally describe in such terms. After some of the stuff that's come out this week, and especially after this, I am more convinced than ever that I was completely wrong.

Bannon film outline warned U.S. could turn into ‘Islamic States of America’
The outline shows how Bannon, years before he became a strategist for President Trump and helped draft last week’s order restricting travel from seven mostly Muslim countries, sought to issue a warning about the threat posed by radical Muslims as well as their “enablers among us.” Although driven by the “best intentions,” the outline says, institutions such as the media, the Jewish community and government agencies were appeasing jihadists aiming to create an Islamic republic.

The eight-page draft, written in 2007 during Bannon’s stint as a Hollywood filmmaker, proposed a three-part movie that would trace “the culture of intolerance” behind sharia law, examine the “Fifth Column” made up of “Islamic front groups” and identify the American enablers paving “the road to this unique hell on earth.”
posted by zachlipton at 11:45 AM on February 3 [5 favorites]


Authorization of Use of Force Against Iran Resolution

Remember back when the Congress had to actually draft up an actual Declaration of War? Heck, back then it wasn't even to go do the Nazi face punching that I hear is popular these days.
posted by rough ashlar at 11:46 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]




Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner worked to sink LGBT order

Bullshit. Trump & Co saw what a shitstorm immigration was and realized they'd get crushed even worse with this and bailed. And now Ivanka and Jared are trying to save their reputations by taking credit.
posted by chris24 at 11:47 AM on February 3 [44 favorites]


Eek.

There is a Roger Stone AMA on r/politics right now.

Believe it or not, r/politics is mostly pro-liberal right now so this could be interesting if you are interested.
posted by futz at 11:49 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


There is a Roger Stone AMA on r/politics right now.

Top comment:

Switchoroo: What are your thoughts on Betsy DeVos, do you believe she is qualified?
Roger-Stone: I can not understand why the President chose this woman. She savaged him during the campaign.

posted by Coventry at 11:53 AM on February 3 [1 favorite]


She savaged him during the campaign.

She... did? Didn't her family donate like a squillion dollars to him?
posted by soren_lorensen at 11:56 AM on February 3 [3 favorites]


I'm know I'm late to this part of the conversation but all these jokes about "haw haw no more coal soda!" in regards to the Stream Protection Rule really made me step back and weep.

NPR's Planet Money did a whole podcast about the Congressional Review Act and how certain rules (the actual implementation of passed Laws) can be unconditionally yanked by an incoming president if the outgoing one passed the rules within 60 days of transition.

The TLDR is that one man fought for these rules for decades - not just to protect the water but to keep coal mining pollution out of the air in his hometown. The rules took forever to write, and they were meant to actually make the coal industry clean up their act.

All that work was vaporized in the stroke of a pen.
posted by JoeZydeco at 11:56 AM on February 3 [56 favorites]


All that work was vaporized in the stroke of a pen.

...and off in the distance a cry of jubilation from Jeff Jobe.
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 12:01 PM on February 3


That Planet Money episode was so depressing. I did have to wonder, though -- if they've been working on it for years and got it in before the transition, couldn't they have gotten it in 60 days earlier? I presume, as with so many things, they weren't too concerned because they thought they had POTUS locked up. In that case, though, why rush getting it in before the transition in the first place?
posted by Turd Ferguson at 12:01 PM on February 3


In which the Pentagon causes confusion. They released a video that they said was recovered from terrorists in the Yemen raid, then said they screwed up and released an old video instead, then said the video was recovered in Yemen but was also old. Turns out to be 10 years old and not actually new intel. The video has been online for years.

See also BuzzFeed: The Pentagon Said This Video Shows A Raid In Yemen Was Successful. It’s A Decade Old.
posted by zachlipton at 12:02 PM on February 3 [11 favorites]


WHOA WHOA WHOA, YOU GUYS. Too soon on the Bowling Green Massacre jokes. At least wait until after it happens.

And here I thought Use of Weapons had prepared us all for anachronic scripts.
posted by Slackermagee at 12:02 PM on February 3 [13 favorites]


Voicemail is open as of ten minutes ago if you want to call the Senate Committee on Homeland Security regarding Bannon. 202.224.4751

414-276-7282 is another number. I called it 2 days ago and a staffer picked up immediately and had enough time to get my name and address, so clearly more people need to be calling that line.
posted by cybercoitus interruptus at 12:03 PM on February 3 [8 favorites]


From a friend on FB:

MISSISSIPPI: If you do nothing else today...
I have heard that Senator Cochran is seriously considering a NO vote on Betsy DeVos. If you haven't already, please call his DC office (202) 224-5054. Only thing they want is your name, town and stand on DeVos. Easy call.
Here is the Mississippi Number to the Jackson office!
Thad Cochran (R) 36 years
(601) 965-4459
posted by piyushnz at 12:04 PM on February 3 [4 favorites]


They're monsters. They shouldn't get to enjoy the fruits of the society they're trying to destroy in peace.

I don't think giving them credit for one thing is excusing anything else.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 12:04 PM on February 3


I've been working through Jane Mayer's "Dark Reads" . She explains so well how the Republican party got taken over by the Kochs and a few other monied interests (DeVos is in there). This is exactly the kind of result they wanted. And the great thing about Trump for them is he has no compunctions about carrying out their desires. The smoke left behind from Trump's every action and utterance gives them a screen to act with inpunity.

All this to avoid paying taxes and being accountable for polluting the environment. Asymmetry rears its ugly head again.

The main thing I remember from a political theory course I took from Gad Horowitz many eons ago is him quoting Andrew Carnegie: "In a true democracy there would be a 100% inheritance tax". Don't know if that's exactly what he said (all those libraries bearing his name suggest it is), but the truth of that is crystal clear today.
posted by morspin at 12:05 PM on February 3 [4 favorites]


414-276-7282 is another number. I called it 2 days ago and a staffer picked up immediately and had enough time to get my name and address, so clearly more people need to be calling that line.

That's Ron Johnson's Milwaukee senate number.
posted by zug at 12:05 PM on February 3 [2 favorites]


irresponsibly claiming asbestos is “also 100 percent safe, once applied.”

That claim's not egregiously untrue all by itself, but the fact that Trump doesn't consider anything but the one bit of data that covers his ass is pretty typical. "100% safe" is a slight exaggeration, but asbestos, once applied, really is quite safe; "once applied" is a huge caveat, though, and leaves out the corresponding bookend, "if left undisturbed." The whole industry up to and including the application is massively dangerous, and in homes, which people may be constantly renovating willy-nilly, it's not exactly awesome.

Say you live somewhere built before the mid-eighties (or whenever asbestos definitely stopped being used in your area). Your home definitely had asbestos in it at one time. If it's still there, no big whoop, as long as you don't mess with it. If it's no longer there, because someone -- maybe a previous owner -- decided they didn't like the look of the popcorn ceiling and just went at it with a scraper instead of having it professionally abated, you're now living in a cloud of mesothelioma and have no idea.

How many of Trump's properties fit that description, I wonder?
posted by Sys Rq at 12:06 PM on February 3 [10 favorites]


Are there free services that will evaluate your home for asbestos? Asking for, um, a friend.
posted by saulgoodman at 12:09 PM on February 3


I knew that this was coming but fuck.The part I bolded says it all really.

President Donald Trump will order a sweeping review of the Dodd-Frank Act rules enacted in response to the 2008 financial crisis, a White House official said, signing an executive action Friday designed to significantly scale back the regulatory system put in place in 2010.

Trump also will halt another of former President Barack Obama’s regulations, hated by the financial industry, that requires advisers on retirement accounts to work in the best interests of their clients. Trump’s order will give the new administration time to review the change, known as the fiduciary rule.

Heaven forbid we actually look out for the interests of anyone but ourselves.
posted by futz at 12:10 PM on February 3 [41 favorites]


For Oakland California residents, the Emergency alert that just sounded was a planned test.

And I can't believe I felt compelled to post that here, but these are times we live in.
posted by susiswimmer at 12:12 PM on February 3 [6 favorites]


And I can't believe I felt compelled to post that here, but these are times we live in

NYC set off Chinese New Year Fireworks last week without properly warning anyone and lit twitter up with complaints.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 12:16 PM on February 3


Trump also will halt another of former President Barack Obama’s regulations, hated by the financial industry, that requires advisers on retirement accounts to work in the best interests of their clients. Trump’s order will give the new administration time to review the change, known as the fiduciary rule.

Heaven forbid we actually look out for the interests of anyone but ourselves.


Perhaps the only thing we could do is sell totally real Kellyanne Conway Twitty concert tickets to Republicans.
posted by juiceCake at 12:17 PM on February 3


That's insane. The fiduciary rule existed as an informal professional ethical standard before Dodd-Frank, right? It used to be sort of like the Hippocratic oath, in effect, right, though it wasn't law, per se? With this little trick, even the norms that prevailed prior to their formalization in law won't hold anymore. This is a recipe for retirement investment fraud schemes on massive scales. I'm sure the Trump operatives understand that and are counting on it. More chaos to smash the state.
posted by saulgoodman at 12:18 PM on February 3 [5 favorites]


Since we're doing local news... San Francisco: No Ban, No Wall, Saturday, 3pm, Civic Center
posted by zachlipton at 12:18 PM on February 3 [7 favorites]


They test the tornado sirens once a week at 1pm here, but every time, I tense up.
posted by emjaybee at 12:18 PM on February 3 [1 favorite]


President Donald Trump will order a sweeping review of the Dodd-Frank Act rules enacted in response to the 2008 financial crisis, a White House official said, signing an executive action Friday designed to significantly scale back the regulatory system put in place in 2010.

The past year or so has been feeling more and more like the lead-up to 2009. So many house flipping shows on TV, house flipping ads on the local radio station (running alongside ads for payday loans, tax relief, and sham weight loss medicine), lots of my friends trying to get into real estate, shitloads of new condos going up every day.

If Bannon is serious about his desire to bring the system to its knees, then I think (out of all the many other avenues he has) another bubble bursting and taking the rest of the economy along with it would be an effective means to that end.
posted by codacorolla at 12:18 PM on February 3 [2 favorites]


They're monsters. They shouldn't get to enjoy the fruits of the society they're trying to destroy in peace.

Not even straight bananas?
posted by jontyjago at 12:19 PM on February 3 [2 favorites]




They released a video that they said was recovered from terrorists in the Yemen raid, then said they screwed up and released an old video instead, then said the video was recovered in Yemen but was also old. Turns out to be 10 years old and not actually new intel.

You would think that it being on a VHS tape cassette would have been a clue.
posted by JackFlash at 12:23 PM on February 3 [10 favorites]


I advise skipping the Roger Stone AMA. It's just him spewing propaganda.
posted by prefpara at 12:24 PM on February 3 [11 favorites]


I think I'd like to hold onto at least some small shreds of hope. If Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump helped to kill anti-LGBT stuff, I'm going to call that a win and hope that they give us more wins. These wins can be small. There just seems to be nothing going well, so I will take what I can get.
posted by corb at 12:27 PM on February 3 [7 favorites]


Has the EO been leaked, yet?
posted by Coventry at 12:28 PM on February 3


From the CBC: The Ontario Minister of Health is holding a press conference shortly. He wants to help kids who were turned away from life-saving surgery in the States by offering surgery here.
posted by maudlin at 12:32 PM on February 3 [53 favorites]


I think I'd like to hold onto at least some small shreds of hope. If Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump helped to kill anti-LGBT stuff, I'm going to call that a win and hope that they give us more wins. These wins can be small. There just seems to be nothing going well, so I will take what I can get.

They're complicit in a failed effort to ban permanent residents from the United States less than a week ago, along with a still happening ban on students and doctors and families and refugees fleeing grave danger. The fact that they're waging a PR campaign to try to look less monstrous does not give me any shred of hope but for the surprising fact that there's still someone in the White House who still seems to care what they look like.

"We were going to do awful things to you, but at this moment we're not doing this specific one (subject to change at any moment)" is not a win. No matter how awful things are, we can't condition ourselves to accept "it could be worse" as victory.
posted by zachlipton at 12:35 PM on February 3 [25 favorites]


Ok, this made me feel a bit better about the possibility of repealing the banking regulations. But lets face it, we are dealing with an administration that does not follow the rules and actively looks for ways to subvert them. Also given that the Repubs are in control of the House and Senate who is going to stop him from doing whatever the fuck he wants? So I feel a wee bit better but decidedly not optimistic.

Here's what everybody is getting wrong about changes to banking rules

Actually after reading it again it looks like the repeals could take awhile but if congress allows it it could be a done deal. I need to stop thinking about this right now. Everything is awful.
posted by futz at 12:36 PM on February 3 [4 favorites]


House of Cards showrunner Beau Willimon (@beauwillimon) has tweeted a 25-point Declaration of Resistance, collected here. "When in the course of American history it becomes necessary for the people to save our Nation from a Tyrant," it begins, calling for the "Immediate impeachment of the President for crimes committed, or removal from office by way of the 25th Amendment to the Constitution."
posted by Doktor Zed at 12:38 PM on February 3 [49 favorites]


"Hi , we're MetaFilter, an online discussion forum (like Reddit) where users from all over Real America get together to talk politics and have fun! We are excited to learn more about the president's plans to #MAGA and would be honored to have an opportunity to ask Mr. Spicer a question via Skype at a real briefing!"

Sean Spicer: Okay, we have our first question from a mister... Quonsar, is it?
quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon: HAVE YOU TRIED NOT BEING A FASCIST MOTHERF-
Sean Spicer: We appear to be having technical difficulties. Though the answer is "No." Next up, a question from the_donald?
posted by delfin at 12:39 PM on February 3 [64 favorites]


"In a true democracy there would be a 100% inheritance tax"

For all of Andrew Carnegie's many many points of shitty union-busting crapulence, this was definitely a belief of his. Which Pittsburgh has benefited greatly from.
posted by soren_lorensen at 12:46 PM on February 3 [12 favorites]


Trusted Traveler "Nexus" card of a Syrian-Canadian has been revoked.
posted by Yowser at 12:46 PM on February 3 [1 favorite]



Hey guys, you're not one of their constituents. They don't care, and you're just taking up airspace their constituents could fill.

From way upthread, but this is one of the things I've been pushing back on, when well-meaning friends of mine post (generally on FB) about calling a long list of senators from all over, that it's really not that great an idea, because they're not your rep. I've been using Cory Gardner as my example, because he's been bleating about "paid protesters" overwhelming his staff with calls and emails and implying it's keeping "real Coloradoans" from being able to get through. I've even tried to make alternate suggestions of what they could be doing with all that energy instead of contacting reps who aren't theirs. I don't know if it'll help or not. I wish those posts weren't getting shared, but since I can't stop it, at least I can try to reasonably explain why it's not the most effective thing to do.
posted by danielleh at 12:46 PM on February 3 [5 favorites]


Clarification: the Syrian is a permanent resident, not a citizen. Sorry.
posted by Yowser at 12:49 PM on February 3


Since we're doing local news...

...here in the DC area there's now a competition for the largest garbage fire.
posted by peeedro at 12:50 PM on February 3 [4 favorites]




this is one of the things I've been pushing back on, when well-meaning friends of mine post (generally on FB) about calling a long list of senators from all over, that it's really not that great an idea, because they're not your rep.

Yeah, this thinking has influenced mine. Now I call my senators, senators who are veterans, or senators on the Armed Services Committee who are likely to give undue influence to my voice, but not just random ones.
posted by corb at 12:52 PM on February 3 [3 favorites]


Who knows whether there will be more or less suffering because of Ivanka and Jared? Maybe they told Pence something along the lines of *there's nothing wrong with gay people you idiot don't make us make Dad hate you.* Maybe they said something along the lines of *Dad, they've figured out we're fascists. If we target another vulnerable group immediately, well, gosh! We might not get to do other evil shit for a full four years because midterms let Pence at them after midterms.

The fact is, Trump is a fucking monster and Ivanka stands to profit from his monstrosity and was one of the first cuts in normalizing her father, who is in fact, a fucking monster.

I don't know what the deal is with Mattis maybe he's got a secret plan or something but I've heard enough to know that a lot of people think well of him.

If either of them were on fire, I wouldn't piss on them to put them out. They are enablers of the darkest political hours of my life. Maybe hey something magical will happen, but probably not, and people will die and Ivanka will be responsible. Mattis will be responsible.

They are collaborators.
posted by angrycat at 12:53 PM on February 3 [30 favorites]


Calling about the NSC appointment isn't a constituent political matter. The committee in charge is explicitly calling for public comment in this case, from the general public, if the comments above about constituency relate to the posts urging people to call about the Bannon appointment.
posted by saulgoodman at 12:54 PM on February 3 [8 favorites]


I tend to frame the conflict in the White House as being between the smash-and-grabs and the con artists.
posted by ckape at 12:55 PM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Meanwhile… Arkansas passes law allowing rapists to sue victims who want an abortion

the state of poffintopia has passed a law allowing citizens to punch arkansas lawmakers in the dick
posted by poffin boffin at 12:55 PM on February 3 [66 favorites]


How can one acquire dual citizenship in poffintopia? Asking for a friend.
posted by corb at 12:58 PM on February 3 [29 favorites]


u gotta punch a nazi
posted by poffin boffin at 12:58 PM on February 3 [45 favorites]


OH on Twitter: Ivanka is the Snackwell's Eva Braun
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 12:59 PM on February 3 [6 favorites]


Dr. Eric Hoskins, Minister of Health for Ontario, has released a statement about the surgeries for those kids who were turned back (on Twitter only for now). It sounds a little less definite than what was initially reported: they're looking for opportunities/capacity. I'm pretty sure this is going to happen, though.
posted by maudlin at 12:59 PM on February 3 [2 favorites]




If I had more optimist about reversing this sort of thing soon, I would be glad that the people pretending to be "prolife" have so gleefully revealed their true motivation to be "denial of personhood to women."

So! Who's signing up for the Underground Railroad to transport women needing abortions from the Gilead states to those that still offer it? I can fit up to 3 others in my car and it gets good gas mileage.
posted by emjaybee at 1:02 PM on February 3 [20 favorites]


Ugh, I really don't care to celebrate rumors that maybe Ivanka helped stop (for now) some terrible thing. Nor to sigh with relief when it turns out things aren't the worst possible version of a new breaking story (which is poorly reported in part because there is no reliable source from the administration).

The news cycle these days feels like a sadistic version of a Ronco commercial [captions]: "You could expect us to do 400 terrible things to you this week but for a limited time only you can live in America with only 199.99 terrible things! Just four installments of 49.99!"

It's still way too high a price to pay.
posted by alligatorpear at 1:02 PM on February 3 [8 favorites]


Here's what everybody is getting wrong about changes to banking rules

Wait, so the EO just said that the Treasury Department would write a report? It is pretty frustrating that we get so much reporting on EOs that no one has the text of, especially with an administration that doesn't give a shit about the truth and cares significantly more about what would make a good headline on Fox News than crafting anything remotely coherent.
posted by Copronymus at 1:03 PM on February 3 [5 favorites]


Trump and his dealings with iran.
posted by xcasex at 1:05 PM on February 3 [2 favorites]


So! Who's signing up for the Underground Railroad to transport women needing abortions from the Gilead states to those that still offer it? I can fit up to 3 others in my car and it gets good gas mileage.

Count me in!
posted by susiswimmer at 1:08 PM on February 3 [13 favorites]


Calling about the NSC appointment isn't a constituent political matter. The committee in charge is explicitly calling for public comment in this case, from the general public, if the comments above about constituency relate to the posts urging people to call about the Bannon appointment.

Right, calling the committee about Bannon is different and people should do that. I was talking more about the posts with a laundry list of senators and their phone numbers asking that everyone call any and all of them, about whatever the issue is. In the last day or so, I've seen posts becoming more targeted "hey if you live in [state], call your senators at [phone numbers]" which seems to me to be an improvement.
posted by danielleh at 1:10 PM on February 3 [5 favorites]


Forget about the Netherlands: If it's America first, Switzerland now wants to be second.
posted by TwoStride at 1:11 PM on February 3 [1 favorite]


And now for something lighter*, in celebrity news...

Arnold Schwarzenegger On Donald Trump: I Wanted To “Smash His Face”

Eminem blasts Anne Coulter and Donald Trump with brutal lyrics on Big Sean's "No Favors"

* For particularly dark values of "lighter".
posted by Buntix at 1:12 PM on February 3 [8 favorites]


So! Who's signing up for the Underground Railroad to transport women needing abortions

Count me in, too. Considering the nightmare my ex and I had to go through sneaking around to get a legal, medically necessary procedure only barely adjacent to a late term abortion when we lost our first expected child, Mari, I can only imagine how much worse it's going to be now for any kind of abortion or other complex women's health issue.
posted by saulgoodman at 1:16 PM on February 3 [12 favorites]


Please save us, Koch brothers and the CIA and Bill Kristol and Chinese environmentalism!

Today Mom said, "Did you hear what Trump did?!" and we talked about his deeds over the last day or two all the way across town, ending with his crowing over Arnold's poor ratings on The Apprentice. Mom said, "...and then Schwarzenegger said if Trump thought he could do better and wanted to change places, He, Arnold Schwarzenegger, would be pleased to make the switch." A dreamy kind of silence fell over the car as the two of us savored the wild, joyful hope we felt at the idea that maybe that could happen and Arnold "plo chops" Schwarzenegger could be president instead of Donald "grab 'em by the pussy" Trump. It is okay about that whole global warming thing, all. Because hell has frozen over.
posted by Don Pepino at 1:19 PM on February 3 [14 favorites]


BGP is up and passing prefixes but level3 is dropping packets bound to certain prefixes right at their edge. Almost like its being blackholed.

#eastcoaststyle
posted by xcasex at 1:22 PM on February 3 [1 favorite]


I've been working through Jane Mayer's "Dark Reads" . She explains so well how the Republican party got taken over by the Kochs and a few other monied interests (DeVos is in there).

I started reading this right after the election. It's pretty damn terrifying. When I realized that Paul Ryan's dream to gut the New Deal is within grasp, I started to really question his motives. Why would anyone be so heartless and cruel especially with his background? Other people have thought perhaps he is just a heartless bastard but the way he gets embarrassed and easily flustered means that doesn't ring true to me. I've been going under the assumption that he just wants to be the Big Man in the GOP and being heartless is the direct route but what if he has a different motive? What if he was secretly offered $25 million dollars? Or even more? That would be pocket money to the Kochs.

The Koch brothers have too damn much money and that's the bottom line. They (and all the other REAL billionaires) need to be taxed til it hurts. There used to be this idea that was put forth that if you taxed the wealthy too much, they would just leave the country. Ha! Thiel and many like him already have their exits planned. We haven't taxed them enough so they are building luxury silos underground because obviously this country is going to blow up. More important than having Billionaires in the country is having a stable economy and a strong middle class with plenty of opportunity for advancement. That place that I just described is no longer America.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 1:23 PM on February 3 [24 favorites]




The Koch brothers inherited their wealth.
posted by ZeusHumms at 1:26 PM on February 3


Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner worked to sink LGBT order

Makes sense. The presidon't doesn't care about LGBT, one way or the other; he really doesn't give a damn who's having sex with whom, and his vague thoughts on gay marriage are probably "married people get honeymoons, yes? They should have them at my resorts."

The religious discrimination act is Pence's baby, and if the current pres is impeached, he'll have it in place within a week. Whether it gets signed by the current pres depends on whether Pence comes up with suitable leverage to push him.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 1:28 PM on February 3 [6 favorites]


So! Who's signing up for the Underground Railroad to transport women needing abortions

Back in the bad old days, this was a thing. Many of the participants were clergy members. Here's an interesting book about it.
posted by witchen at 1:30 PM on February 3 [13 favorites]


If politics were a video game - GOP 2017: Lust For Glory
posted by ZeusHumms at 1:30 PM on February 3


I've been using Cory Gardner as my example, because he's been bleating about "paid protesters" overwhelming his staff with calls and emails and implying it's keeping "real Coloradoans" from being able to get through.

I've been assuming Gardner doesn't understand that this is how phone numbers work and that many of his constituents (like me!) don't have phone numbers with Colorado area codes. Fewer than half the people living in Colorado were born here, and he needs to get the fuck over it and make at least a half-assed stab at representing all our interests.
posted by asperity at 1:32 PM on February 3 [11 favorites]


So! Who's signing up for the Underground Railroad to transport women needing abortions

I head about plans to start chat rooms that are focused on women's issues but the real goal was to have it staffed by people ready to give abortion information or logistical help to red state women.
posted by shothotbot at 1:33 PM on February 3 [4 favorites]


Just as a follow-up if you need more afternoon cheer: the late night shows in Europe have all banded together in the "make ____ second" video competition, and they're compiling all of their videos (seven countries and counting) here at Everysecondcounts.eu.
posted by TwoStride at 1:33 PM on February 3 [5 favorites]


I am all in for the Underground Railroad, which probably needs a different name because it's no remotely illegal to help someone cross state lines to get medical care.

There are a few existing orgs; all of them need funding. The problem is that (1) travel costs money; (2) travel arranged remotely in a hurry costs more money; (3) the price of the procedures goes up quickly based on time passed; (4) helping minors is especially fraught for many reasons.

I would love to see the various networks and support groups coalesce into something or a network that accept take more external help. The will is there; we just need to get dollars and bodies into the right places - travel costs would drop if they didn't have to buy taxi-train-airplane ticket + hotel rooms, but could find a nearby resident to pick someone up to drive halfway to the state border, and get a trip from someone else the rest of the way, or to a hub airport with cheaper tickets.

Offering rooms would also be helpful; last-minute hotel costs are astronomical.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 1:36 PM on February 3 [3 favorites]


in sweden right now. 28,500 police officers placed on war footing, active immediatly. along with disturbing rumours via my own regiment.
posted by xcasex at 1:36 PM on February 3 [26 favorites]


Who's signing up for the Underground Railroad to transport women needing abortions from the Gilead states to those that still offer it?

BITD, was it illegal to provide this service? How about for minors?
posted by Coventry at 1:37 PM on February 3


I am all in for the Underground Railroad, which probably needs a different name because it's no remotely illegal to help someone cross state lines to get medical care.

Not yet. Those fuckers will try, just you wait.
posted by emjaybee at 1:37 PM on February 3 [9 favorites]


Here's another sad-but-good thing: one of our senators in NC, Richard Burr, is retiring at the end of his term in 2022 and has received $$$$$ from Betsy DeVos and basically dgaf about any of his constituents at this point.

Citing that "He refuses to hold town hall meetings because they “don’t work for him.” It’s near impossible to get in touch with staffers in his offices: phones are “busy,” voicemail boxes are full, and emails and letters are largely ignored. Burr’s office has called his own constituents, trying desperately to get their Senator’s attention, “out-of-state[rs]” and “lack[ing] civility and decorum” simply for voicing their opposition to his policy decisions," some North Carolinians have set up a fund to buy back his attention.

The donations are going to the Public School Forum of North Carolina, Inc.
posted by witchen at 1:39 PM on February 3 [4 favorites]


in sweden right now. 28,500 police officers placed on war footing, active immediatly. along with disturbing rumours via my own regiment.

Dare I presume that Ryssland is Russia?
posted by Existential Dread at 1:39 PM on February 3



Please save us, Koch brothers and the CIA and Bill Kristol and Chinese environmentalism!


I just sent a snailmail letter to my D Senator that literally said "please do something, anything, I don't care what, before this guys kills us all." At this point I really don't care.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:40 PM on February 3 [9 favorites]


The presidon't doesn't care about LGBT, one way or the other....

On the other hand, I think it goes without saying that Bannon is more than invested in protecting, and even codifying, the hegemony of rich, straight white men.
posted by mudpuppie at 1:41 PM on February 3 [1 favorite]


The FCC is stopping 9 companies from providing federally subsidized Internet to the poor

Regulators are telling nine companies they won't be allowed to participate in a federal program meant to help them provide affordable Internet access to low-income consumers — weeks after those companies had been given the green light.

The move, announced Friday by FCC Chairman Ajit Pai, reverses a decision by his Democratic predecessor, Tom Wheeler, and undercuts the companies' ability to provide low-cost Internet access to poorer Americans. In a statement, Pai called the initial decisions a form of “midnight regulation.”


another fuck.
posted by futz at 1:41 PM on February 3 [36 favorites]


Dare I presume that Ryssland is Russia?


indeed you may.
posted by xcasex at 1:41 PM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Also, I love love love the typo "presidon't," assuming it is a typo. I love love love the coinage if it was intentional.
posted by mudpuppie at 1:41 PM on February 3 [11 favorites]


I am in for the Underground Railroad. I expect California will be one of the last places to give up access and will open up my home to women traveling here for care they cannot get elsewhere.
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 1:42 PM on February 3 [10 favorites]


Existential Dread: STOP BANNON: The Senate Committee on Homeland Security is taking calls about Bannon's appointment to the NSC. You can call 202-224-4751 and leave comments opposing this appointment.

Me: call 414-276-7282, too!

zug: [414-276-7282 is] Ron Johnson's Milwaukee senate number.

Ron Johnson is the Chair of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security. Is it ineffective to call his number about this issue? The staffer said she could take my comment about Bannon, and she didn't say anything when I said I was calling from California.
posted by cybercoitus interruptus at 1:42 PM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Hi, friends! I have some messages from your friendly local ACLU chapter. This stuff is inspired by an affiliation with my Massachusetts chapter, but all opinions are of course my own.


State reps need love too! If you're having trouble getting through to national reps, give your state officials a try.

What I'm hearing from talking with organizers is: (a) state reps are not getting deluged with calls the way federal officials are, and (b) possibly as a result, state reps are talking a good game but are not actually signing on to legislation that will have an impact. They’re still trying to play it safe.

It's time for "playing it safe" to end.

What can state reps do? Well for example, in Massachusetts they could push forward the ACLU's "Freedom Agenda." These are bills that would do things like barring state agencies from participating in religious registries, require warrants to search computers and cell phones, and stop local police from voluntarily turning immigrants over to the feds. In Massachusetts, today is the deadline for state reps to co-sponsor these bills, but state senators still have time, and any day is a good day to call and ask both reps and senators to get a move on.

Here's how this went when I tried it: I left a phone message for my state rep, and since I wasn't sure it would go through, I left a friendly public message on his Facebook wall. (Basically "Thanks for representing us, couldn't reach your office, want to make sure you're co-sponsoring the ACLU Freedom Agenda, get in touch.") Within an hour the rep himself saw my Facebook message and had his sole staffer -- who was literally sitting at her desk reviewing bills for co-sponsorship -- call me back and ask which ones to look at. So now we're pals and she'll be hearing from me again soon.

America is a big place, and most governing happens at the state and local level. We have power here, and if we lean on our leaders to step up and lead, we have the power to act quickly.


Local reps need love too! Your city or town can do things like: become a sanctuary city, so your local police are no longer ruining immigrants' lives for minor infractions; or set limits on high-tech surveillance tools that local police may use without warrants and feed into federal databases. Sanctuary city efforts are moving forward in half a dozen towns in Massachusetts (out of 300?), in each case because a small number of residents are making it happen. If you have a lot of time, that could be you.

If you just have a little time, get in touch with your alderperson or councilperson or whatever. (This isn't a staffer thing -- they should have time for your phonecall.) Make friends and then say, "hey, will you get in touch with [ACLU of Massachusetts] and ask what we can be doing as a town to protect our residents, including the immigrants? And then be sure to let me know what they said when I call you back next week?"

I'm no expert on state or local advocacy -- I'd love to hear what else is inspiring people. Just pointing out there's a lot of potential for positive action.


Could your company be a plaintiff? This is an interesting one. It's a big deal that Oxfam and the University of Massachusetts have stepped up to join the immigration executive order case in Massachusetts. Cases with institutional plaintiffs are much harder to derail and include a greater variety of constitutional claims.

So think about how fast this case happened, and how little time those organizations had to make the (courageous) decision to participate. (Not forgetting the heroism of the individual plaintiffs who have signed on.) Could your employer make the same choice in the same timeframe? There will be chances to find out as more unconstitutional orders come down that affect your company or nonprofit or school or agency, its employees, its constituents and customers. What can you do to lay groundwork for that internally?


Thank you and donations and stuff. I've talked with the people who are working day and night at the Massachusetts chapter, and they look like, well, people who are working day and night. They also have spirit like you wouldn't believe. Your voice at protests, your messages of support, your phonecalls to legislators, your donations, your volunteer signups are visibly keeping the folks at my state ACLU chapter going. I don't have the right to say thank you on their behalf, but I will: thank you.

Despite all the funding that's come in, donations are still vital. Here's the deal with money: ACLU was spending well over $100 million a year, back in more normal times, to keep lawyers on the ground in all fifty states fighting the normal things that came up -- warrantless surveillance, over-incarceration, the right to film police, detention of immigrants without process, racial profiling, suppression of speech and the press, all that sort of thing. (For a sense of scale, the NRA budget is about double ACLU's.) Back in normal times, at this scale, ACLU was turning down deserving projects for lack of funds -- but at least there was the DOJ Civil Rights Division to do things like fighting trans exclusion in North Carolina. Now the ~19,000 lawyers of the federal government work for Trump. The task we have to take on together here is immense.

I'm not saying this to imply any lack of courage or hope -- quite the opposite -- or to imply that giving to any one organization is better than another. Just so when folks come around asking for more donations, and you've been hearing about all the donations they already got, you understand where they're coming from and why it's still so important.
posted by john hadron collider at 1:51 PM on February 3 [97 favorites]


Gonna cosign that, Mr. Hadron Collider.

My state rep is a bigtime DINO (he runs un-fucking-opposed every time but I'm going to do my best to see if we can get him primaried) and people have suddenly started leaning on him pretty hard to not be such a dick about undocumented immigrants and Sanctuary Cities and I think it has taken him and his office by surprise. Our state assembly is R-controlled (with a D Governor so things get... interesting) and they are furiously working on a million ways to make sure that all the people the federal government wants to fuck over get extra fucked while in PA, just for good measure. Our state is gerrymandered all to hell and back and it's going to be an uphill battle to try and mitigate the damage that Trump is doing because most of the state assembly is cheering it on.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:59 PM on February 3 [2 favorites]




One worry I had was about those in the country on invalidated visas. It seems that they are not breaking the law (which you would hope, but with this gang...) Source.
posted by shothotbot at 2:02 PM on February 3


snuffleupagus: MeFi has an ED entry.

I don't know what this means.
posted by slipthought at 2:04 PM on February 3 [2 favorites]


From "Eminem blasts Trump, Coulter" mic.com article above,
When Eminem is angry, he never goes PG-13. If he's going for gore, we're going to get every grizzly detail, or nothing at all.
Emphasis mine, I wish it were a DeVos callout.

posted by petebest at 2:04 PM on February 3 [1 favorite]


State reps need love too!

My state rep's providing free pizza on Sunday. Getting in touch with your legislators doesn't have to be awful. Sign up for their email lists!
posted by asperity at 2:04 PM on February 3 [2 favorites]


Alex Nichols in The Outline: Meet the Cucks of the Never Trump Movement
One of the saddest phenomena to emerge in the Age of Trump is the quasi-rehabilitation of some of the most detestable voices on the right, otherwise known as the #NeverTrump movement. Whether it’s “Woke Glenn Beck” appearing on Samantha Bee or the self-serving tweets of CIA flack Evan McMullin, liberals have been eager to dole out forgiveness to conservatives in exchange for mealy-mouthed condemnations of Donald Trump’s behavior. For the most part, these conservative critics of Trump act not out of principle but out of resentment; they are mad that the intellectual sheen they spent decades cultivating and applying to Ted Cruz was proven superfluous by a reality TV-star’s circus-barker showmanship and direct appeals to racial animus. Whether these deathbed conversions are cynical career moves or the result of a mass delusion about the nature of American conservatism, we now live in a world they ushered into being. #NeverTrump conservatives are useful only as living relics of an obsolete rhetorical style; they serve as a reminder that without a complete implosion, the foundations of the Republican Party are unlikely to change.
[...]
In perhaps one of the most futile moves of the campaign season, Kristol went beyond voicing his disapproval of Trump and nominated a candidate of his own in late May 2016: National Review writer David French. This endeavor was doomed to fail for a number of reasons. First, no one knew who French was. Second, he proved unable to withstand the slightest public prodding. It soon came out that when French was deployed to Iraq, he forbade his wife from talking to men on the phone or using her email. His anxiety over his wife’s potential for infidelity made him a perfect target for the “cuck” barbs of the alt-right, and he gave them what they wanted by repeating their abuse verbatim in one of 2016’s many online harassment tell-alls. Third, his views are almost indistinguishable from Trump’s. A few weeks ago, he wrote in defense of Trump’s nominee for secretary of education, Betsy DeVos. The week before that, he endorsed Jeff Sessions, Trump’s pick for attorney general. (“They haven’t bothered to make a real case against Sessions because there isn’t a real case to be made.”) French’s latest article for the National Review downplays the recent executive order barring refugees and dual citizens in Muslim countries from entering the U.S. If the conservative opposition looks anything like French, which it does, it might as well not exist.
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 2:04 PM on February 3 [19 favorites]


Eric Trump’s business trip to Uruguay cost taxpayers $97,830 in hotel bills
When the president-elect’s son, Eric Trump, jetted to Uruguay in early January for a Trump Organization promotional trip, U.S. taxpayers were left footing a bill of nearly $100,000 in hotel rooms for Secret Service and embassy staff.

It was a high-profile jaunt out of the country for Eric, the fresh-faced executive of the Trump Organization who, like his father, pledged to keep the company separate from the presidency. Eric mingled with real estate brokers, dined at an open-air beachfront eatery and spoke to hundreds at an “ultra exclusive” Trump Tower Punta del Este evening party celebrating his visit.
posted by rewil at 2:04 PM on February 3 [28 favorites]


MeFi has an ED entry.

I don't know what this means.


Encyclopedia Dramatica. Don't look it up. Its description of MF is very hostile.
posted by Coventry at 2:07 PM on February 3 [1 favorite]


snuffleupagus: MeFi has an ED entry.

I don't know what this means.


Encyclopedia Dramatica. Essentially, it's a """"""""humorous"""""""" wiki that lines up quite well with the trolls and the alt-right. You're better off not reading the article, since, well, it's designed to be offensive.
posted by qcubed at 2:07 PM on February 3 [3 favorites]


"British Jews seek German citizenship"—4½ minutes, Deutsche Welle's Focus on Europe
For a family who suffered at the hands of the Nazis it's been hard to watch the growing popularity of Germany's far-right but they've noticed the same tendency in Britain with an increase in racist attacks.
I very rarely venture into Youtube itself, normally just grabbing the video directly via youtube-dl, but when I brought the page up to copy the fragment of the transcript above I was dismayed to see even the recommended videos sidebar full of horrifyingly anti-Semitic titles about Jews "infesting the Trump administration" and all sorts of other trash.
posted by XMLicious at 2:08 PM on February 3 [2 favorites]


BITD, was it illegal to provide this service? How about for minors?

i'm sure some antichoice lawmaker is right now at this very moment breathless with quivering sweaty excitement over the thought of prosecuting people under the mann act for helping minor teen girls get abortions out of state.
posted by poffin boffin at 2:08 PM on February 3 [4 favorites]


Ars Technica: Radio stations that ignored major vulnerability start playing anti-Trump song (YG and Nipsey Hussle's "Fuck Donald Trump.")
posted by porn in the woods at 2:09 PM on February 3 [3 favorites]


Sean Spicer: Okay, we have our first question from a mister... Quonsar, is it?
quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon: HAVE YOU TRIED NOT BEING A FASCIST MOTHERF-
Sean Spicer: We appear to be having technical difficulties. Though the answer is "No." Next up, a question from the_donald?


It wouldn't even get that far.

Spicer: Now we'll take a skype question from a... meathitler?... dot com

*all the loudspeakers in the room start screaming as the light of a thousand suns pours out of the monitor directly into Spicer eyes*

Spicer: melts like Major Toht
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 2:12 PM on February 3 [19 favorites]


john hadron collider, you summed up what I've been thinking. Everyone is doing a great job of deluging Congress with calls, and this is fantastic. But it's time to also bring that same firepower to bear on our state legislatures. I'm in a red state (although a blue district) and I'm going to start calling Monday, and I'm going to make regular calls to my reps plus any other committee people that may be applicable and allowed. The governor as well. While I don't expect to get a lot of traction, being in Arizona and all, I think it's time to show these people the monster that tRump has awoken. Many people have been less aware of what the hell goes on in our state legislatures and these things make as much or more of an impact in our lives than what happens in DC. Get enough people going and maybe, just maybe, we can get rid of the usual suspects in the state party, and get people in there who are actually interested in, well, you know, winning elections.
posted by azpenguin at 2:14 PM on February 3 [15 favorites]


Nazi Twitter is gearing up to blame any economic collapse on the federal reserve and the international banking system.
posted by Yowser at 2:15 PM on February 3 [2 favorites]


Encyclopedia Dramatica. Don't look it up, its description of MF is very hostile.

You're better off not reading the article, since, well, it's designed to be offensive.

Oh shoot, that was nothing. I was kinda hoping to be riled up about something new. That was lame.

ED, indeed.
posted by slipthought at 2:16 PM on February 3 [4 favorites]


Jan Böhmermann has a new song for us.
posted by progosk at 2:17 PM on February 3 [1 favorite]


"Metafilter: I was kinda hoping to be riled up about something new."
posted by Coventry at 2:18 PM on February 3 [27 favorites]




Anyone who gives their website the same initials as Erectile Dysfunction is ineligible for any status other than LOSER.
posted by oneswellfoop at 2:20 PM on February 3 [7 favorites]


I thought it stood for "electile dysfunction" myself.
posted by Floydd at 2:22 PM on February 3 [5 favorites]


Kristen Mascia, a magazine features writer, says Kellyanne Conway used the words "Bowling Green Massacre" with her on a call on Saturday (she's writing a Cosmo story). Not just a one-time slip of the tongue (she's claiming she meant to say "Bowling Green terrorists").
posted by zachlipton at 2:27 PM on February 3 [14 favorites]


Again Pat Bagley, Utah.
posted by Oyéah at 2:39 PM on February 3


DFTBA.com has a slew of refugee art posters.
Last weekend, I offered to donate $5 to the ACLU for every hand-drawn message of support for immigrants and refugees to the United States. I knew there would be a lot of art, but I had no idea how amazing some of it would be. So, for the next 48 hours, we will be selling poster prints of this art work.

100% of proceeds from this sale will be donated to organizations aiding the re-settlement of refugees in the United States.

refugeeone.org in Chicago
cwslancaster.org in Lancaster, PA
irco.org in Portland, OR
rstx.org in Texas
openingdoorsinc.org in Sacramento, CA
iiicenter.org in Boston
wtap.org in Phoenix
newamericanpathways.org in Atlanta
refugeedevelopmentcenter.org in Lansing
canopynwa.org in Arkansas
posted by INFJ at 2:39 PM on February 3 [20 favorites]


Wow, that ED site looks like some kind of infect-you-with-a-virus not safe shenanigans. Is it some kind of alt-right Onion/Wikipedia mashup?
posted by freecellwizard at 2:41 PM on February 3


Kristen Mascia, a magazine features writer, says Kellyanne Conway used the words "Bowling Green Massacre"...

This morning's Democracy Now! (alt link, .torrent, transcript) has audio:
Counselor to the president Kellyanne Conway is facing widespread criticism after she attempted to justify President Trump’s executive order banning people from seven majority-Muslim countries from entering the U.S. by inventing a terrorist attack that never happened. This is Conway speaking to MSNBC’s Chris Matthews.
Kellyanne Conway: I bet it’s brand-new information to people that President Obama had a six-month ban on the Iraqi refugee program after two Iraqis came here to this country, were radicalized, and they were the masterminds behind the Bowling Green massacre. Most people don’t know that, because it didn’t get covered.
The Washington Post reports there was no terrorist attack carried out in Bowling Green, Kentucky, by Iraqis or anyone else. There were two Iraqi men living in Bowling Green who were arrested in 2011 on charges of having attempted to send money and weapons to al-Qaeda in Iraq. The Washington Post also reports the Obama administration never imposed a ban on Iraqi resettlement, contrary to Conway’s claims. The Obama administration did implement a more extensive screening procedure for Iraqi refugees after the 2011 arrests.
posted by XMLicious at 2:51 PM on February 3 [2 favorites]


Encyclopedia Dramatica's been around forever. It's more of a 'lulz' thing than a hate site, or at least it used to be. Having had some recent experience with a really nasty doxxing website, I view ED as mostly harmless, I guess.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 2:51 PM on February 3 [1 favorite]


XMLicious, Mascia is saying the Conway talked about the non-existent massacre on another occasion, making it not just a one-time slip of the tongue.
posted by zachlipton at 2:54 PM on February 3 [3 favorites]


It didn't get covered because IT DIDN'T FUCKING HAPPEN, Kellyanne.
posted by yoga at 2:54 PM on February 3 [6 favorites]


if there's one internet lesson to learn from the last several years it's that "lulz" and ironic bigotry ends up being identical in effect to actual bigotry
posted by flatluigi at 2:54 PM on February 3 [42 favorites]


I think it was someone here what said that if you scratch at ironic bigotry the irony comes right off.
posted by Slackermagee at 2:56 PM on February 3 [34 favorites]


Trump has highest disapproval rating of any new president

New CNN/ORC: 53% disapproval. Approval is 14% lower than W Bush had a few weeks in. Disapproval is over 4 times that of Reagan in '81.
posted by Rust Moranis at 2:56 PM on February 3 [12 favorites]


Kellyanne Conway: "According to a CNN poll, Donald Trump is "over 4 times" the President that Ronald Reagan was." [fake]
posted by tonycpsu at 2:58 PM on February 3 [5 favorites]


New CNN/ORC: 53% disapproval.

Crikey, even Orcs hate him...
posted by Buntix at 2:59 PM on February 3 [20 favorites]


ASDFJHASIOUYIOUKLJlkkpoijo[u9yt68. That's me bashing my keyboard in blind rage. GOP lawmakers look to penalize refugee resettlement charities
The potentially more far-reaching part of her legislation would impose a fine on charities of $1,000 a day for each refugee it helps place in the state. And if a refugee is arrested, the charity would be financially liable for the cost of arrest, prosecution and incarceration of that person.
posted by zachlipton at 3:01 PM on February 3 [31 favorites]


ED has always had that sophomorically "edgy" editorial voice and was always a hangout for trolls, but at least as I understand it, it was originally more of an anarcho-surrealist-lulz scene, but there was a schism/takeover at some point that left it run by different people who were more on the "serious" side of "ha-ha-only-serious." They chased the founders away and it came to be controlled by the sort of Nazis-with-image-macros that now call themselves "Alt-Right."
posted by contraption at 3:03 PM on February 3 [5 favorites]


ED went from fun fake nazis to no-fun real nazis when the rest of internet culture did, some time between 2012 and 2015.
posted by Rust Moranis at 3:04 PM on February 3 [20 favorites]


"With the authority invested in me by the Great State of Arizona, I pronounce you guilty of committing a criminal act of charity!"
posted by XMLicious at 3:05 PM on February 3 [20 favorites]


it was originally more of an anarcho-surrealist-lulz scene, but there was a schism/takeover at some point

IIRC (which I almost certainly don't) it was originally mostly created by /. trolls, who, let's face it, would probably mostly be grandparents by now if they were the sort of people anyone would ever consider having sex with*.



* What's the statute of limitations on esprit d'escalier?
posted by Buntix at 3:06 PM on February 3 [9 favorites]


From a friend who is a bit shy w/r/t social media. Posting w/o comment because some of it is a bit above my head.

Disclosure of Payments by Resources Extracters Regulation Change

I am asking my Senators to Filibuster this, but they seem to already know about the reports and still won't block it even though it gives Tillerson and Trump the clear for hiding their deal with Putin. The Democrats will attack Bill HJRRes41 115th as being a giveaway to Exxon Mobil and allowing Oil and Mining Companies more access to funding Terrorists and Criminals without shareholder or government insight. However, Senate Democrats seem to already know allegations that Putin, Tillerson and Trump all agreed to give the Trump family a 19% share in the Rosneft Exxon Mobil deal in exchange for Tillerson being awarded with being the Secretary of State and Putin getting Sanctions lifted from Russia. This report is alleged to be in a dossier available to members of the Senate that is also being rumored to be eminently exposed by the BBC and members of the CIA leaking the dossier.

That is why the Senate Republicans are so desperate to pass the regulation change before the report is exposed (and before Trump lifts all the Russian Sanctions), because the rule change will exempt Exxon Mobil (and Rosneft when they do US business after the Sanctions are lifted) from reporting that they gave compensation to the Trump family to help the deal come back to life. (The deal that allows Rosneft access to the Gulf of Mexico, even lifting the value of Rosneft by $7 Billion the day it was announced. Behind the deep ties between Exxon's Rex Tillerson and Russia)

H.J.Res.41 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, United States Code, of a rule submitted by the Securities and Exchange Commission relating to "Disclosure of Payments by Resource Extraction

Trump’s Daughter Vacationed With Putin’s Girlfriend is a possible channel for finalizing the deal.
posted by christopherious at 3:06 PM on February 3 [18 favorites]


GOP lawmakers look to penalize refugee resettlement charities

i think i'm becoming a misanthrope, b/c i fucking hate people today
posted by Existential Dread at 3:07 PM on February 3 [18 favorites]


Meanwhile… Arkansas passes law allowing rapists to sue victims who want an abortion

Another whopper:

Senate majority leader under fire for bill that reduces punishment for child porn production

Currently, Senate Bill 1560, introduced by Norment, would decrease the mandatory minimum imprisonment for producing child porn from five years to two and the maximum from 30 years to 20. Norment says he got the idea from prosecutors. (which doesn't appear to be true)
posted by futz at 3:08 PM on February 3 [12 favorites]


That made my brain blow up. How can anyone defend voting for a party that reduces prison sentences for child porn. I mean yeah prison system is inhumane but how do they stand there and champion they are pro-life when they give no fucks about children being used that way. ARGH!! I'm totally buying that Puppos before People t-shirt when I get a chance cause I'm done with humans. BLERG
posted by kanata at 3:11 PM on February 3 [1 favorite]


GOP lawmakers look to penalize refugee resettlement charities

In my unofficial capacity as "Mefite who's in the International Rescue Committee":

CALL ALL Y'ALL'S CONGRESSMEN and RIP THEM a NEW ONE for this, PRONTO. Please.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 3:12 PM on February 3 [21 favorites]


Former Norway PM held at Washington airport over 2014 visit to Iran From the Guardian, so I assume it's true.
posted by morspin at 3:12 PM on February 3 [2 favorites]


@realDonaldTrump

We must keep "evil" out of our country!


oh christ
posted by Rust Moranis at 3:13 PM on February 3 [7 favorites]


lol first response to that tweet, Rust Moranis:
Tim Wrobel ‏@Timotato
@realDonaldTrump cool, so when are you packing up?
I don't like Evil in quotes. It's possible Lord Dampnut is using quotes outside the common usage but "Evil" to me means "Not White People"
posted by INFJ at 3:16 PM on February 3 [16 favorites]


@realDonaldTrump We must keep "evil" out of our country! oh christ

Like it's the fruits of the devil. Evil.
posted by slipthought at 3:16 PM on February 3 [2 favorites]


He even put the word "evil" in quotes, just in case you maybe thought he actually meant evil and not "Muslims" or "immigrants" or "latinos" or "staircases" or whatever he's got on his hate on for right now.
posted by zachlipton at 3:17 PM on February 3 [11 favorites]


I'm calling it now: when Trump gives his first SOTU, he will walk out onto the stage backlit and enveloped in fog, and when he comes into view he will literally be draped in a flag and carrying a cross.
posted by contraption at 3:17 PM on February 3 [22 favorites]


Mum! Dad! It's "evil!" Don't touch it!
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 3:18 PM on February 3 [19 favorites]


ED went from fun fake nazis to no-fun real nazis when the rest of internet culture did, some time between 2012 and 2015.

That's too bad. I always thought it was kind of amusing that I had my own ED page. (Pretty much anyone who was remotely prominent at either kuro5hin or slashdot in the early aughts got the treatment.)
posted by Bringer Tom at 3:19 PM on February 3 [2 favorites]


anyway after the revolution do you think they'll broadcast the executions live on state tv

If it's anything like this documentary of 2017 that I watched, they'll be strapped into a rocket chair and launched through a billboard while an audience of millions tunes in to watch
posted by Existential Dread at 3:22 PM on February 3 [4 favorites]


Oh man, I haven't been looking that far ahead (too grim), but ack, that first SOTU is gonna introduce to us to a bunch of new kinds of terrible.
posted by notyou at 3:24 PM on February 3


It's a big derail, but Encyclopedia Dramatica doxxed/stalked/harassed someone I know back when the site was still "for the lulz," so it's never really been okay or not full of misogynists and proto-fascists.
posted by byanyothername at 3:25 PM on February 3 [21 favorites]


Nevermind the world ending plans and policies he'll roll out. Just the rhetorical atrocities he'll commit in our names.
posted by notyou at 3:26 PM on February 3 [1 favorite]


my fantasy vertebrate Democratic congress doesn't show up for the first SOTU, just leaves half the house fucking empty for President Deranged Manchild to barf at
posted by prize bull octorok at 3:27 PM on February 3 [10 favorites]


Oh man, I haven't been looking that far ahead (too grim), but ack, that first SOTU is gonna introduce to us to a bunch of new kinds of terrible.

It won't happen. He'll send a letter and have a "Thank You America" rally tour.
posted by Talez at 3:27 PM on February 3 [1 favorite]


In the first SOTU, I think that the chances are very high that if a congressman is brave enough to stand and heckle (like that one jerkimer did with "you lie!" at Obama) we will see Lord Dampnut say "Get 'im out. Get 'im outta here" like at a protestor in an early campaign rally.
posted by Rust Moranis at 3:27 PM on February 3 [3 favorites]


House of Cards showrunner Beau Willimon (@beauwillimon) has tweeted a 25-point Declaration of Resistance, collected here.

I guess this explains why House of Cards isn't very good.
posted by EmGeeJay at 3:27 PM on February 3 [1 favorite]


Appalled to hear attempts are underway terminate the “Election Assistance Commission” and cut public funding of presidential elections. @BrennanCenter

In reply to to someone asking for more details: The House Administration Committee will meet on Tuesday to mark-up HR 634 - Election Assistance Termination Act.

This is the agency that sets security standards for voting machines.
posted by rewil at 3:29 PM on February 3 [41 favorites]


He even put the word "evil" in quotes, just in case you maybe thought he actually meant evil and not "Muslims" or "immigrants" or "latinos" or "staircases" or whatever he's got on his hate on for right now.

c.f. mendacity quotes (although the way he mixes them with sneer quotes, scares quotes, and good old greengrocer's it's hard to tell for sure).
posted by Buntix at 3:30 PM on February 3 [2 favorites]


House of Cards is pretty much ruined now that I can only wish that people as principled and humane as Doug Stamper would be working in the current administration
posted by prize bull octorok at 3:30 PM on February 3 [32 favorites]


@realDonaldTrump We must keep "evil" out of our country!

Your senior advisor actually compared himself to Darth Vader and Satan in the same sentence
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 3:31 PM on February 3 [40 favorites]


It's a big derail, but Encyclopedia Dramatica doxxed/stalked/harassed someone I know back when the site was still "for the lulz," so it's never really been okay or not full of misogynists and proto-fascists.

Yeah, I think their original M.O. was just getting a rise out of people any way they could and punishing people on the internet for being less technically capable than themselves. Then they decided to head over to Stormfront to troll some Nazis, some of them got so good at slipping into character that they never slipped out again, and anybody who objected to the new pro-Nazi culture was culled.
posted by contraption at 3:32 PM on February 3 [1 favorite]


"Elizabeth Rooney, a police officer in Boston and army veteran, posted a photo of her in uniform.

She told the BBC: I'll start dressing like a woman when he starts acting like a president. I felt his remarks that women should 'dress like a woman' are misogynistic and unpresidential.

"Each morning when I wake up, I dress myself in pride, honour, duty and freedom."
The article gives a link to the tweet with the photo, but it's protected. Three guesses why that happened.
posted by J.K. Seazer at 3:32 PM on February 3 [47 favorites]


I Can't Believe It's Not "Evil". Sad!
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 3:34 PM on February 3 [4 favorites]


Your senior advisor actually compared himself to Darth Vader and Satan in the same sentence

Both of whom have defamation suits pending, it should be noted. [fake]
posted by Buntix at 3:34 PM on February 3 [3 favorites]


House of Cards is pretty much ruined now that I can only wish that people as principled and humane as Doug Stamper would be working in the current administration

Mrs. Bastard and I are four episodes into Scandal and noticing how quickly it became quaint.
posted by Cookiebastard at 3:36 PM on February 3 [8 favorites]


Yeah, they might as well abandon House of Cards at this point.
posted by Burhanistan at 3:38 PM on February 3 [3 favorites]


> Former Norway PM held at Washington airport over 2014 visit to Iran From the Guardian, so I assume it's true.
Bondevik said Dulles officials told him he had been detained because of a 2015 law signed by Barack Obama that placed restrictions on travellers from those seven countries, or travellers from elsewhere who had recently visi