The Trump roundup
February 5, 2017 4:12 AM   Subscribe

"Yes, all this happened." NPR's good, brief summary of the events of each day of Trump's first two weeks in office. There's a flurry of news and discussion about the new president, and I appreciate efforts to streamline and make sense of it. So here's three. #2: On Reddit, there is a good overview of how critics would respond to the question, "What's so bad about Donald Trump?"--broken down by category. #3: The Summary section of Indivisible is the best overview I've seen of methods for concerned US citizens to become politically active in this new era.

Bonuses:

Mytimetovote is an organized way to find information on when and where votes are being held in each state.

Ballotpedia gives specific information on ballots and issues across the U.S. It's an excellent resource.

The Sunlight Foundation has an Android app that conveniently tracks individual bills in the nation's congress, as well as individual members of congress. It's called, simply, Congress.

These things matter because civic engagement is low: One out of every three state legislative races goes uncontested. The Republican party has skillfully gerrymandered their way into a strong position, and it's wrong to assume that demographics will save Democrats: Although minorities are on the rise and the Democratic party is seen as the party friendly to minorities, the party's strength is packed into areas of high population density, which minimizes its effect nationwide.
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That reddit thread is pretty amazing.

This concludes this moment in "things I feel strange saying." Join us in about a minute or so as we feel deeply uncomfortable hearing the words "president trump."
posted by Ghidorah at 4:34 AM on February 5 [31 favorites]


Things I feel strange saying: "We may be at war with Australia."
posted by dannyboybell at 4:53 AM on February 5 [4 favorites]


The Guardian's keeping careful track of Trump's first 100 days.
posted by Paul Slade at 5:14 AM on February 5 [7 favorites]


Is there a new thread? Is this the new thread? Am I sleeping?

I will never say it, hard to even type it.

Can't.
posted by michswiss at 5:15 AM on February 5 [4 favorites]


Don't worry, we're not at war with you. We're just patiently waiting over here, wondering when you're going to get around to replacing that guy in a bloodless coup. Y'know, like we keep doing. It's not a bad system.

Also: I second the amazement and respect at the Reddit thread, that's some damn good work.
posted by threecheesetrees at 5:22 AM on February 5 [9 favorites]


Things I feel strange saying: "We may be at war with Australia."

No, no, no. "We may be at war with Eurasia. We've always been allied with Eastasia." Keep practicing. You'll get it eventually.
posted by AlonzoMosleyFBI at 5:23 AM on February 5 [20 favorites]


Best thing we can do: file for a restraining order. Leave our abusers.
posted by sutt at 5:34 AM on February 5 [1 favorite]


threecheesetrees: "Don't worry, we're not at war with you. We're just patiently waiting over here, wondering when you're going to get around to replacing that guy in a bloodless coup. Y'know, like we keep doing. It's not a bad system."

It's not easy to get rid of a U.S. president and then if we did, we'd just be stuck with Pence whose terrible in somewhat different ways than Trump. Whatever happens, we're stuck with some Republican in the White House for four years.
posted by octothorpe at 5:40 AM on February 5 [3 favorites]


In all seriousness: "file a restraining order" -> help ACLU and other groups like them restrain the abusive, racist bullying in the courts. Don't allow it to be codified into law.

"Leave them" -> Promote sanctuary cities, civil disobedience. Don't sanction abuse with silence.

Then, you could do what my friend did, when she left her abusive husband: create a better life without them. A life that they will be jealous of.
posted by sutt at 5:44 AM on February 5 [25 favorites]


It's not easy to get rid of a U.S. president and then if we did, we'd just be stuck with Pence whose terrible in somewhat different ways than Trump. Whatever happens, we're stuck with some Republican in the White House for four years.

Whatever brings down the big guy himself could also bring down Pence and who knows who else. Nothing is guaranteed, and being stuck with a Republican in the White House for four years assumes that the country will hold together for that long.
posted by Rust Moranis at 5:48 AM on February 5 [11 favorites]


Thanks for this. These are the sort of resources I've been wanting. A day by day account of what trump and the republicans are doing so we can throw it all back in their faces in 2018.

I only hope that all moderates and progressives can temporarily get past all their subdivisions and focus on the most important immediate goal of retaking the congress and repudiating everything trump is doing.
posted by DarkForest at 5:54 AM on February 5 [1 favorite]


On the other hand, we've ALWAYS been at war with Vegemite.
posted by blue_beetle at 6:17 AM on February 5 [16 favorites]


Both my college-age daughters are taking serious concrete steps to move to France and Canada. The younger asked me why I want to live in the U.S. That made me gasp. But Trump has been a part of their entire adult lives. I told her, "Listen, I've lived through Nixon, Reagan, and Dubya, and even if Trump is worse than all of them, four years isn't that long. It seems long to you, but when you get to my age, you know better. I'll just stay and fight the good fight right here for now."
posted by Miss Cellania at 6:18 AM on February 5 [61 favorites]


why the hell does anyone give a shit about Trump, it's going to be hard to impossible to get Trump out of office, but he's an empty suit without Bannon. Why don't we focus our energy on getting him out of the White House? If you just look at Trump's rhetoric before and after Bannon took total control of the show you'll see that these are all his words, not Trumps.
posted by any major dude at 6:27 AM on February 5 [15 favorites]


These are excellent resources. Thank you so much for getting it out to us!
posted by ignignokt at 6:29 AM on February 5 [1 favorite]


[One deleted. Let's skip a massive "why do dems suck so much?" derail.]
posted by taz at 6:31 AM on February 5 [6 favorites]


Let's skip!

(while we still can)
posted by Namlit at 6:34 AM on February 5


why the hell does anyone give a shit about Trump, it's going to be hard to impossible to get Trump out of office, but he's an empty suit without Bannon. Why don't we focus our energy on getting him out of the White House? If you just look at Trump's rhetoric before and after Bannon took total control of the show you'll see that these are all his words, not Trumps.

1) People give a shit about him for many reasons, including that he's a maliciously insane person with the power to destroy civilization on a whim.
2) So much pre-emptive defeatism on getting him out of office. All it would take would be for him to get into a mood such that he throws a tantrum and quits. Not saying I know how to make this happen but there are many, many ways he could leave office prematurely that aren't limited to formal impeachment.
3) Without Bannon he's still an insane fascist dictator. The Wall, the muslim ban, the idolizing of authoritarians and strongmen were all there in the pre-Bannon era. Bannon just added some competence.
posted by Rust Moranis at 6:37 AM on February 5 [70 favorites]


Whatever brings down the big guy himself could also bring down Pence

The most likely thing to bring down Trump is that he finally blows a gasket so hard that (1) he resigns in a fit of pique because he can't get his way, (2) enough Republicans get onboard to either impeach him or (3) invoke the 25th Amendment. In any of those cases we get Pence, who who thinks The Handmaid's Tale is a guide to good government.

Anything that takes Pence down too will likely blow a great big hole in the whole rule of law. I think the most likely thing there is that Trump orders a military action the military guys have already secretly agreed among themselves cannot be allowed to happen, such as a nuclear strike or an invasion of Mexico or Australia, and we wake up to Mattis or someone else in a uniform running the show, the Constitution effectively suspended, and the biggest question mark in 240 years as to what happens next.
posted by Bringer Tom at 6:39 AM on February 5 [13 favorites]


...we wake up to Mattis or someone else in a uniform running the show, the Constitution effectively suspended, and the biggest question mark in 240 years as to what happens next.

At this point, that actually sounds like a really great thing to wake up to.
posted by LOLAttorney2009 at 6:50 AM on February 5 [14 favorites]


Things I feel strange saying: "We may be at war with Australia."

I can only hope that Australians and Jews are at the same camp so my wife and I can at least stay together.
posted by Talez at 6:55 AM on February 5 [6 favorites]


🎶 We'll save Australia
Don't want to hurt no kangaroo
We'll build an all American amusement park there
They've got surfing, too
🎶
posted by octothorpe at 7:12 AM on February 5 [11 favorites]


As a Dutch citizen I found myself a few days ago in the strange position of contemplating a US that's hostile to my home country the NL. In the sense of wanting to destabilise the EU.
It's when I read that Trump wanted to post somebody as ambassador to the EU who has stated his aim of bringing down the EU like the USSR.

I knew that Russia wants to destabilise the EU. It's strange to find the US wanting to do the same...
posted by jouke at 7:15 AM on February 5 [60 favorites]


And of course, if both Trump and Pence leave the presidency for whatever reason, then we will be treated to President Paul Ryan; after that Orrin Hatch. It's just assholes all the way down.
posted by TedW at 7:16 AM on February 5 [49 favorites]


As found somewhere in another thread, here's whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday, a log
of the previous days nightmare.
posted by The_Auditor at 7:22 AM on February 5 [27 favorites]


But unless there were some King Ralph scenario, it would never get to Ryan. If Trump goes then Pence names his own VP who would then take over if Pence got impeached.
posted by octothorpe at 7:23 AM on February 5 [6 favorites]


I've been thinking about The Situation*. While it has many facets & curlycues (fractals?) like X wants Y so they can have more $$$ / power. But the bottom line is, Republicans are mean. That's it. They are Mean Spirited and Mean Hearted.

Are there also [insert party label here] politicians who are Mean? Yes.

But there seems to be a concentration of Meanness in Republican/Right Wing circles. Why aren't we telling them they are Mean? Even a little kid understands what Mean is, and that it is not good to be mean. What's wrong with breaking it down to the very simplest if terms and just calling them on being MEAN?

*The general current state of US politics
posted by yoga at 7:24 AM on February 5 [37 favorites]


why the hell does anyone give a shit about Trump, it's going to be hard to impossible to get Trump out of office, but he's an empty suit without Bannon. Why don't we focus our energy on getting him out of the White House?

Among all the other reasons, Bannon serves at the pleasure of the president. There's no constitutional mechanism for anybody but the president to fire one of the president's advisors.
posted by tobascodagama at 7:29 AM on February 5 [4 favorites]


Here's a thought, instead of putting all our eggs in the Hail Mary pass of impeaching Trump or fantasizing about military coups, we could try doing something the liberal/Left has never tried before: actually showing up during midterms to vote.

I hate this. I hate it more every day - this stupid thing we do where the only thing that galvanizes this side of the political spectrum is removing someone we loathe from the White House, and with that accomplished we tune out for another four to eight years until, like clockwork, we wake up to find someone even worse has taken power, and not only that but the margin of control held by conservative Republicans in Congress, in the state legislatures, and in governor's mansions across the country have grown by leaps and bounds. And then we all circle up and piously intone about how democracy has failed and we need the violent overthrow of the state.

Win the 2018 congressional elections and that will mean something. Just remove Trump and that will mean Pence. Remove Trump and Pence and that will mean - as noted by others - Paul Fucking Ryan. And even if there was a Democrat somewhere in the line of succession, they would still be facing the same choke-hold of Republican control of Congress that exists now.

You know those 3 million popular votes that we keep bragging about? Channel them into winning 2018. You know that unprecedented anger and activism we're seeing around us? Encourage people to channel that into 2018! It doesn't even need to distract from the (remote) possibility of a Trump impeachment, we can work on two things!

You want the Electoral College changed? That's going to take control at state level, three-fourths of the states have to ratify an amendment. And Congress has to propose it. Two goals for an election only two, not four or eight, years away. We could actually break Trump's power without just handing over everything to someone half as crazy and twice as cruel.

Or we can do the traditional thing and sit at home talking about how the process is corrupt so why bother and oh how great it would be if the military stepped in and ended American democracy. Because who could ever argue with the logic of destroying the village in order to save it?
posted by AdamCSnider at 7:30 AM on February 5 [204 favorites]


At this point, that [military coup] actually sounds like a really great thing to wake up to.

Unfortunately, no version of this thought experiment takes me to a very happy place. If the US military decides to take out the CiC even for the most noble intentions (and I really think this mainly happens because Trump throws a temper tantrum and orders something unconscionable) then there is no way they can turn around and restore the current order, because (1) the current order with our implementation of democracy, the widespread stupidity, the gerrymandering, and the electoral college created this clusterfuck in the first place and (2) under the current order such a coup would be treason and the people who did it would have to get some assurance of their own safety in the aftermath before turning over power.

At that point I think our best case scenario is that the new leaders consult with powerful people they have vetted as not being insane (at least by their own standards) in the matter of drafting a new Constitution, starting with a blank piece of paper. But consider who is going to be likely to have a seat at this convention and ask yourself what this new Constitution is likely to look like. And be afraid. Be very afraid.
posted by Bringer Tom at 7:34 AM on February 5 [25 favorites]


Among all the other reasons, Bannon serves at the pleasure of the president. There's no constitutional mechanism for anybody but the president to fire one of the president's advisors.

there's no constitutional mechanism for getting rid of Trump while the cowardly republicans run both houses. If we all focus all of our energy into ignoring Trump and focusing everything on Bannon there is a possibility that Trump's ego will cause a rift between them. Trump's fatal flaw is that he always needs to be the center of attention. Stop giving him attention and he will turn on whoever is taking it away from him.
posted by any major dude at 7:37 AM on February 5 [5 favorites]


It's 10:30am and no response from Twitler. Maybe they hid his phone or he's suddenly developed a Herculean amount of restraint.
posted by Talez at 7:39 AM on February 5 [1 favorite]


Or, and here's a thought, instead of putting all our eggs in the Hail Mary pass of impeaching Trump or fantasizing about military coups, we could try doing something the liberal/Left has never tried before: actually showing up during midterms to vote.

We have enough eggs to go around. The '18 midterms are of course extremely important in that they are our only democratic recourse. It is far from a given, however, that there will ever be another election in this country that approaches even the poor democratic standards of recent ones. Voting in midterms like republicans will only work if the GOP lets us, and they do not intend to.

Decrying all forms of resistance besides your own preferred one is not a great strategy going forward. If the risk is existential (it is), all forms must be considered. Trying to retake congress in '18 is one. Pushing for impeachment is another. If democracy continues to fail, a bloodless military coup or some other extreme and crazy solution will quickly become the best-case scenario to hope for.
posted by Rust Moranis at 7:39 AM on February 5 [18 favorites]


If Trump goes then Pence names his own VP who would then take over if Pence got impeached.

Congress has to approve a new VP. Not saying they'd force a weak moderate (a la Ford replacing Nixon), but if Ryan sees an opportunity, then who knows how long that approval might take.
posted by Etrigan at 7:42 AM on February 5 [2 favorites]


he's an empty suit without Bannon

There are plenty of other Nazis working in the White House who will very happily step into Bannon's shoes, even, if by some miracle, he was forced to resign. If you haven't read the profiles on Stephen Miller yet (Politico), you really should.

There is something eerily vintage about Miller’s stump speeches. The combination of their substance—vilifying immigrants as killers, the promise of nativist glory days ahead—and their delivery with a calm face around a loud, droning mouth, slicked-back hair and sharp suit, floridly invoking powerful cabals against the people: All of it harks back to an earlier time. It’s as if the video should be in black and white, and the microphone in front of Miller an antique, metallic affair. This is an image Miller assiduously cultivates, smoking like a chimney and dressing in suits that earned him the nickname “Mad Men” on the Hill.
posted by longdaysjourney at 7:44 AM on February 5 [21 favorites]


Bannon is a bully who inspires fear and demands loyalty. Miller is just a scumbag writer for hire like David Frum
posted by any major dude at 7:52 AM on February 5 [3 favorites]


SNL's cold open with Baldwin as Trump, ghoul Steve Bannon.

And MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY: surprise appearance by Melissa McCarthy as Press Secretary Sean Spicer, which may be the funniest goddamned thing SNL has done all season, if not in years.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 7:59 AM on February 5 [85 favorites]


Here's a thought, instead of putting all our eggs in the Hail Mary pass of impeaching Trump or fantasizing about military coups, we could try doing something the liberal/Left has never tried before: actually showing up during midterms to vote.

It would be handy if the Democrats actually ran and backed candidates against republicans in 2018 so that we could vote for them. How many republican representatives ran unopposed last year? I remember living in the Pittsburgh suburbs in the early 2000s in a Republican district and the democrats kept either not running candidates at all or running campaigns so lazy that they didn't have websites. In 2006 when they actually ran a serious campaign in my district during Dean's fifty-state strategy year, they won and helped put Pelusi in the speaker's chair.

Now they seem to be back to not bothering even to contest seats in republican districts and then blaming voters when they don't come out to vote for non-existent candidates. Tim Murphy, the republican congressman from the suburbs to the south of Pittsburgh hasn't been opposed since 2012. He got 100% of the vote last November.
posted by octothorpe at 8:01 AM on February 5 [18 favorites]


The Republican party has skillfully gerrymandered their way into a strong position

A couple articles about gerrymandering I've found interesting:

Sam Wang on The Great Gerrymander of 2012.
Democrats would have had to win the popular vote by 7 percentage points to take control of the House the way that districts are now (assuming that votes shifted by a similar percentage across all districts)
Elizabeth Kolbert on how redistricting turned America from blue to red using a platform called REDMAP:
REDMAP’s strategists were so pleased with how the [Michigan redistricting] performed in November of 2012 that they boasted about it in an end-of-year analysis. “The 2012 election was a huge success for Democrats at the statewide level in Michigan,” they wrote. “Voters elected a Democratic U.S. Senator by more than 20 points and reelected President Obama by almost 10 points.” Still, Republicans ended up with the lion’s share of the state’s congressional seats—nine, to the Democrats’ five.
posted by great_radio at 8:03 AM on February 5 [68 favorites]


DirtyOldTown that's hilarious.
I thought their joke "I'm here to swallow gum and take names" [gobbles down a whole box of gums] was pretty subtle.
The whole thing smacked of 12 yr old school bullyism of the "why are you hitting yourself" kind. Such an astute criticism of this government.
posted by jouke at 8:05 AM on February 5 [5 favorites]


Trump will only be removed from office by his conflict of interests. The GOP is going along with whatever he does or will do so they can get some or all of what they want, ie, Supreme Court nominee(s); removal of regulations, etc. I am saddened to see so few willing in the GOP to stand up to what is turning out to be a fascist leaning White House.
posted by Postroad at 8:13 AM on February 5 [7 favorites]


In my sphere, people are already FIRED UP about 2018. There have been trainings to help first-timers run for office that have waitlists double the size of event capacity. The do-nothing Democratic committees have been noted, people are organizing to get themselves on them (not this year, alas, unless someone quits or the seat is already unoccupied). There's more than one way to skin this cat.
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:21 AM on February 5 [26 favorites]


Congress can eliminate Bannon's salary under the rules they just passed which allows them zero out the salary of any government official. They can also create an independent prosecutor to start investigating him.
posted by humanfont at 8:26 AM on February 5 [18 favorites]


Since we've apparently got a new thread, here are some more useful sites for activism that have been posted in other threads over the last couple weeks.

Govtrack.us allows for tracking proposed legislation. It's really useful for getting links to the text of bills, seeing the sponsors, and checking on where in the legislative process a bill is. Sometimes they have information on when the bill is supposed to come up for debate or vote in Congress. You can also check voting records and who is on what committee.

thesixtyfive.org grew out of a google document that suggested actions to take and politicians to call. The site now provides a variety of suggestions for topics about which to contact your legislators, as well as short, effective scripts to guide your calls. If you need ideas for calls, this site is an excellent choice.

5calls.org also provides a variety of call topics and scripts, as well as phone numbers for your legislators. The catch with this site is that they are suggesting people make multiple calls to the same legislators everyday, which, at least according to the congressional staffers I've spoken to, is of questionable efficacy because they tend to want one topic per call per person per day.

Faxzero.com allows users to send up to 5 free faxes per day. They have made it extremely easy to fax members of the House of Representatives and the Senate. This service combines excellently with the scripts of the thesixtyfive.org and 5calls.org.

The longer we can keep up the huge volume of calls/emails/faxes, the harder it will be for the Republican nationalist white supremacist caucus to devote resources to their agenda.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 8:27 AM on February 5 [142 favorites]


It would be handy if the Democrats actually ran and backed candidates against republicans in 2018 so that we could vote for them.

Lately I've been wondering what would happen if the Democrats sponsored a fish fry or party to gather people and bus them over to the DMV (or whatever) and pay for them to get their ID and/or register to vote and then throw another party on voting day to actually vote.
Then once they're in office, making voting easier, while still having a regular party for registration and voting.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 8:30 AM on February 5 [6 favorites]


Let's hope what's not happening is behind the scenes stifling/arrest/shut down of....SNL. SNL, ladies and gentlemen, that stalwart and somewhat stodgy comedy program.
posted by Frowner at 8:34 AM on February 5 [3 favorites]


Why aren't we telling them they are Mean?

My view: the problem is that "Mean" is elementary school ethics, "Sometimes you have to do difficult or painful things" is middle school ethics, and then we go to more advanced levels of socialisation: "Normally, if something's difficult or painful, that's because it's the wrong thing to do".

So the psychological defence that they have against being told "You're mean" is "What? No one told you to eat your greens growing up?". When actually they're trying to force you to eat a bale of hay to survive.
posted by ambrosen at 8:44 AM on February 5 [10 favorites]


Something to be aware of if you happen to engage in any political discussion on Reddit - I've personally witnessed members of the largest alt-right subreddit (The_Donald) posing as Clinton/Sanders supporters on liberal subreddits. If you notice a Clinton/Sanders Redditor pointing fingers over the election results or criticizing your candidate, MAKE SURE TO REVIEW THEIR POST HISTORY as it could be a member of T_D trying to start trouble.

Also, be sure to call them out as the trolls they are, so that others are not drawn into a disingenuous argument which has been deliberately crafted to raise tensions between the liberal voting blocs; we desperately need to focus all of our energies on preventing Trump from doing as he sees fit. I also usually report them if it becomes apparent that their post has ulterior motives.

(My sixth sense turns out to be correct maybe 25% of the time, which I'd say is pretty significant.)
posted by CottonCandyCapers at 9:04 AM on February 5 [29 favorites]


But the problem is, people aren't learning what mean is as youngsters. And if people have shitty logic ability, then maybe taking it back to the elementary school ethics is what it takes.

I had a homeless guy tell me I was mean once. I was sitting at a pub on a sunny day, having a beer and a sandwich, and he came up & hinted that it looked delicious. But he didn't come right out and ask me for any. I just assumed he was moochy & got really defensive. I was alone, and afraid of the guy, & turned my back on him. He said, why are you so mean? And I didn't have an answer in the moment, but he was right that I was mean.

I don't think people are as aware or as considerate of other people as they claim to be, and relegating them to subhuman status is just plain mean.
posted by yoga at 9:07 AM on February 5 [1 favorite]


But unless there were some King Ralph scenario, it would never get to Ryan. If Trump goes then Pence names his own VP who would then take over if Pence got impeached.

Deferring to those better experienced, but doesn't the President still function as the President during the impeachment process? So Trump could continue issuing EO's right up until an impeachment vote was announced. Could he issue an EO that affects successon? Conflicting EOs vs the Constitution could take a while to sort out.

Just to put forward two other scenarios I've heard mentioned:
-Theoretically Trump could maneuver Pence's resignation prior to Trump's own leaving of office (a la Spiro Agnew) and place someone else entirely as VP.
-Theoretically there could be a joint impeachment but the odds of that happening under the current House/Senate are very small.
-theoretically Trump could be removed and Pence could decline to accept the Presidency (is that possible?) but it seems unlikely that he would so without first putting into place a favored successor.
posted by beaning at 9:17 AM on February 5 [2 favorites]


> And MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY: surprise appearance by Melissa McCarthy as Press Secretary Sean Spicer yt , which may be the funniest goddamned thing SNL has done all season, if not in years.

More of this, please, SNL writers. Baldwin does a good Trump impression, but I think it's better to shine a light on what underlings are doing and deny Trump the attention he's craving. With so many other institutions that could help mitigate Trump's damage being undermined (or failing on their own), we need SNL's satire to optimize for strategic effect, not necessarily for the biggest punch line.

But as McCarthy's Spicer sketch shows, we don't necessarily have to choose -- she fucking killed, and she brought attention to the many ways in which the administration is attacking the media. There's nobody out there who's better at what she does, and I hope SNL keeps bringing her back to portray Spicer (assuming he still has a job by the time the next episode airs.) The perfect timing, the physical comedy bits, and somehow she managed to stay in control during all that and not flub her lines -- it was comedy magic.
posted by tonycpsu at 9:18 AM on February 5 [68 favorites]


It would be handy if the Democrats actually ran and backed candidates against republicans in 2018 so that we could vote for them.

There was a guy who suggested something like that. And another guy who said, look, just run anyone. Or anything.

But one made a loud noise once and the other is fat, so pay no mind.
posted by delfin at 9:23 AM on February 5 [19 favorites]


By the way, Trump hasn't tweeted since yesterday epic anti-judiciary xenophobic rant 17 hours ago. While we're waiting for his handlers return his Android phone, this silence is a reminder that Twitter isn't just the stage for his acting out after Saturday Night Live impressions, it's also his direct connection to his followers. In the case of his anti-court rants, that would include the Customs and Border Patrol officers who were refusing to meet with immigration lawyers, congress members, et al. during the first days of the anti-immigration EO. No doubt Trump's inner circle doesn't want him tweeting about SNL until they can come up with more red meat for his followers.
posted by Doktor Zed at 9:25 AM on February 5 [6 favorites]


@randallmaynard
Who wore it better? [pic]

----

hint: Conway vs. Superman II's Ursa
posted by chris24 at 9:33 AM on February 5 [3 favorites]


Baldwin does a good Trump impression
too much "Mouth of Sauron as done by a puppy" for my taste.
posted by Namlit at 9:34 AM on February 5


Trump hasn't tweeted since yesterday

Let me guess, is he "governing"?
posted by Namlit at 9:36 AM on February 5 [2 favorites]


"Ursa, the only feeling you showed was for your vicious general. Your only wish: to rule at his side."
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 9:39 AM on February 5 [1 favorite]


Golfing is my guess.
posted by notyou at 9:40 AM on February 5 [1 favorite]


some King Ralph scenario

where IS John Goodman in the line of succession though?? this is really important. 2016 didn't get him and he's prime presidenting age.

everybody who thinks we need to run a jolly white male populist next time because women never win and winners never woman, you got me on board if you want me.
posted by queenofbithynia at 9:40 AM on February 5 [4 favorites]


Could he issue an EO that affects successon?

I don't think he can? Succession is specifically enumerated in the constitution, and doesn't fall under any of the enumerated or implicit powers of the executive. It would require a constitutional amendment to change. (IANACL)
posted by murphy slaw at 9:40 AM on February 5 [1 favorite]


Miller is just a scumbag writer for hire like David Frum.

That is really not the case, as the Politico profile linked above makes clear:
He's deeply connected to some of the most powerful insurgent threads in the Washington GOP, most notably Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions and the Breitbart media machine. As an aide on Capitol Hill, he was a behind-the-scenes architect of the successful effort to kill comprehensive immigration reform in 2014. And while it’s hard to gauge how much Trump is amenable to influence by anyone—at least, by anyone that he didn’t beget—there is no question that Miller is deep, and serious, on the one question that most drives Trump's unlikely campaign.

Miller’s talent for combining operational zeal with the ability to effectively frame an idea into one devastating laser beam made him a prized Sessions lieutenant in Washington. “When it comes to issues and messaging and policy, there isn’t anybody else that I’ve known that would be as valuable to a presidential campaign as he,” Sessions told me. “Maybe other than Karl Rove.”
A guy like that who was also "mentored" by college buddy Richard Spencer (from whom he strenuously tries to distance himself these days) is not someone who should be near the Oval Office.
posted by FelliniBlank at 9:43 AM on February 5 [11 favorites]


Golfing is correct. Trump is a Mar-a-Lago this weekend.
posted by plastic_animals at 9:44 AM on February 5


Could he issue an EO that affects successon?

I don't think he can? ... It would require a constitutional amendment to change.


Congress has the responsibility and sole power to determine the line of succession (as long as their criteria don't violate the other requirements to be President). They could pass a law that after the VP it goes to the current host of the Tonight Show, and Fallon would be in the line of succession.
posted by Etrigan at 9:50 AM on February 5 [3 favorites]


where IS John Goodman in the line of succession though??

He has played a president before (in The West Wing), and actually by using 25th amendment since he was Speaker of the House.
posted by FJT at 9:50 AM on February 5 [6 favorites]


Congress has the responsibility and sole power to determine the line of succession (as long as their criteria don't violate the other requirements to be President). They could pass a law that after the VP it goes to the current host of the Tonight Show, and Fallon would be in the line of succession.

Unfortunately, this means they can't declare Arnold Schwarzenegger president without a constitutional amendment.
posted by Zalzidrax at 9:58 AM on February 5


In reference to this, for those that aren't reading these threads as obsessively as I am.
posted by Zalzidrax at 10:05 AM on February 5




jouke: I thought their joke "I'm here to swallow gum and take names" [gobbles down a whole box of gums] was pretty subtle.

You know that's not made up, right?
posted by slipthought at 10:17 AM on February 5 [7 favorites]


GOP senators blanch at Trump’s latest defense of Putin

I love that they called on him to "show moral leadership."

Has he done that a day in his life? Tend to doubt.
posted by Archelaus at 10:22 AM on February 5 [3 favorites]


It would be a good anonymous ask. Like how to wash one's hair under the shower or whether one sleeps with the beard on top of the blanket (sorry, duvet) or under: "I'm in the habit of swallowing 35 packs of gum before lunch, does this interfere with my low-carb diet? [below-the-belt-bubbles inside]"
posted by Namlit at 10:24 AM on February 5 [2 favorites]


It did sound a little like Duke Nukem/They Live.
posted by indubitable at 10:24 AM on February 5


Oh god, they're going to impeach him aren't they? Then Pence is gonna turn around and pardon him and yet again, we'll never get the righteous action of the law.

At this point, I'm ready to run Hillary's email server myself, using Microsoft Exchange Server 2003.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 10:27 AM on February 5 [8 favorites]


LOL!

Republicans revolt over Trump's plans to build border wall

Reporter to John McCain: Do you think having Mexico pay for a wall is a viable option?
McCain: No.
Reporter: What makes you say that?
McCain [deadpan]: Because it's not a viable option.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 10:27 AM on February 5 [81 favorites]


indubitable I too thought it portrayed Spicer as trying to be as kick-ass as this They Live scene. And then getting confused half way.
posted by jouke at 10:37 AM on February 5 [2 favorites]




@PressSec: .@POTUS visiting CENTCOM & SOCOM Monday. Next press briefing on Tuesday

Somebody's looking to get his war on, methinks.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 10:58 AM on February 5


@davidaxelrod Is it true that when @POTUS likened U.S. practices to those of Vladimir Putin, the Churchill bust demanded to be removed from Oval Office?

Ha!

Except that Churchill was no moral paragon.
posted by Emma May Smith at 11:02 AM on February 5 [3 favorites]


@PressSec: .@POTUS visiting CENTCOM & SOCOM Monday. Next press briefing on Tuesday

Somebody's looking to get his war on, methinks.


CENTCOM & SOCOM are in Florida AFAIK, so partly it's his laziness of already being at Mar-A-Lago.
posted by bluecore at 11:05 AM on February 5 [5 favorites]


Talking Points Memo notes "that National Security Advisor Mike Flynn and his aides have been asking the national security agencies for ideas for how to improve relations with Russia and for evidence of "Polish incursions in Belarus.""

Oh boy.
posted by ZeusHumms at 11:08 AM on February 5 [24 favorites]


We're not going to forget Poland this time.
posted by Coventry at 11:14 AM on February 5 [5 favorites]


Steve Bannon's Fever Dream of an American Gulag

Imagine: Miles upon miles of new concrete jails stretching across the scrub-brush horizons of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California, with millions of people incarcerated in orange jumpsuits and awaiting deportation.

Such is the fevered vision of a little-noticed segment of President Donald Trump’s sulfurous executive order on border security and immigration enforcement security. Section 5 of the January 25 order calls for the “immediate” construction of detention facilities and allocation of personnel and legal resources “to detain aliens at or near the land border with Mexico” and process them for deportation. But another, much overlooked, order signed the same day spells out, in ominous terms, who will go.

posted by argonauta at 11:14 AM on February 5 [31 favorites]


Well SOUTHCOM is just down the street in Doral. Has he pissed off anyone in Central America yet?
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 11:15 AM on February 5 [1 favorite]


For years, my majority-republican family has lectured me about how the GOP is the party of responsibility, the only people that you can trust to consider unintended consequences of government action. I can't wait for the next one.
posted by TrialByMedia at 11:18 AM on February 5 [18 favorites]




Yeah, I hate Donald Trump and what he is doing to my country but two awesome things 1)PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING SHEEPLE BUT ARE PROTESTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and they are leading the way for the democratic sheep in congress and 2)SNL is the funniest it has been since the 80's. The Sean Spicer skit, Kristin Stewart's open and the TRUMP skit ALL made me laugh outloud. So thank you SNL - you are fearless.

and this is an awesome post. Thanks.
posted by bluesky43 at 11:21 AM on February 5 [6 favorites]




Pelosi calls for probe of possible Russian blackmail of Trump

"I want to know what the Russians have on Donald Trump," the California Democrat told Chuck Todd on NBC's "Meet the Press." "I think we have to have an investigation by the FBI into his financial, personal and political connections to Russia, and we want to see his tax returns, so we can have truth in the relationship between Putin, whom he admires, and Donald Trump."
posted by futz at 11:33 AM on February 5 [37 favorites]


Hey so someone back in the last thread posted a link to some congressman proposing to remove the EPA and were wondering if this bill would gain traction. I wanted to respond because removing the EPA is kind of impossible on its own and I'd be surprised if it gained traction as stated. Congress would have to repeal the Clean Air act and the Clean Water Act etc. Congress could just decide to stop funding the EPA tomorrow and then a judge would have to step in to say something about how those air and water acts need funding but anyway...it's not as straightforward as that stupid congressman thinks to just remove the EPA. And that bureaucratic process is giving me some hope and hopefully it does for you guys too.
posted by FireFountain at 11:34 AM on February 5 [14 favorites]


I just talked with a couple selling tea at the local food market. The wife of the couple is Russian, and they had spent the holidays in Moscow. She was saying that, when they landed in Moscow, she had been questioned extensively at passport control-- "interrogated" was the word she used-- about why she had been living outside Russia for so long. Apparently "married to a British person based in London" isn't good enough. She said it seemed to her that the Russian border is hardening and (she thought) they would, ideally, like all the Russians to move back so they can close the borders.

Just anecdata, but I thought it might contribute to the state-of-the-world picture.
posted by Pallas Athena at 11:36 AM on February 5 [19 favorites]


I don't think something being impossible to remove will stop them from trying to do it anyway, FireFountain. Remember that they stated "for every new regulation put into place, we're going to remove two other regulations" as if regulations were discrete and singular rules.
posted by flatluigi at 11:38 AM on February 5 [3 favorites]


And of course, if both Trump and Pence leave the presidency for whatever reason, then we will be treated to President Paul Ryan; after that Orrin Hatch. It's just assholes all the way down.

Six down and we get Mattis!
posted by corb at 11:38 AM on February 5 [5 favorites]


That NPR link was really surprisingly helpful, given that NPR has been so disappointing. Thanks for linking and I hope they continue to do this. I was lulled into a false sense of security that fucked up stuff might not happen so quickly out of the chaos and incompetence factor. But he really is going fast and furious at this point and my head's been spinning.
posted by GospelofWesleyWillis at 11:39 AM on February 5


GOP senators blanch at Trump’s latest defense of Putin

I mean, blanching is nice and all, but when are they going to boil?
posted by mudpuppie at 11:43 AM on February 5 [57 favorites]


"Polish incursions in Belarus."

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

I don't exactly expect master-level cloak-and-dagger-y political maneuvering from this crowd, but they're not even being halfway original.
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 11:44 AM on February 5 [9 favorites]


The fact that DJT hasn't tweeted today is making me nervous. That SNL cold open seemed scientifically designed to provoke his wrath. So what has happened that he hasn't bleated with rage? An unpredictable Trump or a successfully managed Trump makes me totally nervous
posted by angrycat at 11:50 AM on February 5 [30 favorites]


Fire the Fool is rallying for a march on the national mall on April 1st. On the one hand, I think it's great that people are continuing to mobilize. On the other hand, April 1st seems soooooo far away.
posted by mudpuppie at 11:55 AM on February 5 [10 favorites]


I too thought it portrayed Spicer as trying to be as kick-ass as this They Live scene . And then getting confused half way.

It's both! It's a confused mash up of "kick ass and take names" and "...and I'm all out of bubble gum" mixed with his gum swallowing habit.
posted by Jon Mitchell at 11:57 AM on February 5 [2 favorites]


it's not as straightforward as that stupid congressman thinks to just remove the EPA

You can also take heart in the fact that the patchwork of different local laws that would crop up in place of the EPA is a nightmare scenario for many industries. Having to keep track of and comply with different standards across the country is a huge burden. So on more than one occasion, industry groups have basically asked EPA for a national regulation just so that there is consistency.
posted by C'est la D.C. at 11:59 AM on February 5 [14 favorites]


Six down and we get Mattis!

No thanks.
posted by biogeo at 12:01 PM on February 5 [11 favorites]


So what has happened that he hasn't bleated with rage?

I like to imagine that he threw his phone in a fit of rage and broke it.
posted by Xyanthilous P. Harrierstick at 12:07 PM on February 5 [11 favorites]


@joshchafetz
Some thoughts on the current state of the separation of powers with respect to Trump: 1/x
2/x Legal and political elites, as a class, and for pretty obvious reasons, don't like Trump.
3/x This dislike, combined with his historic unpopularity for a new POTUS, has emboldened them to push back, and they have.
4/x We see this pushback from judges, bureaucrats, and Ds and some Rs in Congress, across a range of issues.
5/x Because of the surrounding political circumstances, those pushing back have been emboldened to test the bounds their role-morality.
6/x So, we see heightened leaking & resistance from the bureaucracy; orders w/ very thin reasoning from judges; high obstruction in Cong.
7/x At the same time, POTUS is a child and an ignoramus. He doesn't seem to care about norms as they apply to him.
8/x And he lashes out when he perceives others to be violating the norms that he wants them to follow.
9/x These tweeted outbursts provoke elite condemnation, which further emboldens those pushing back from inside the state apparatus.
10/x This is one way norms evolve over time--elites test the political waters to see if they can achieve their desired outcomes more easily.
11/x But what the endgame will be depends on who wins the public politics of this. If Trump's popularity (mass & elite) begins to rebound...
12/x ... then the internal opposition will melt. Bureaucrats will quit or fall in line, judges will by and large uphold his policies, and...
13/x ... Republicans in Cong will rally around him.
14/x But, if he gets into a cycle where each new confrontation hurts his standing in the public sphere, it will utterly wreck his admin.
15/x Which of those will happen? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But I do think that those of us who oppose this administration are best advised ...
16/x ... to put our effort into making sure he gets more unpopular, rather than putting faith into governing institutions.
17/17 If he gets more popular, those institutions will fall into line. /Fin/
posted by chris24 at 12:08 PM on February 5 [32 favorites]


Melania's Diary, 1/21/2017 (satire): I had such a good time chanting “Keep your tiny hands off my reproductive rights!” and “Free Melania!” No one recognized me, although when one lady commented on the resemblance, I replied, “No, Melania is much younger and more wistfully melancholy.”
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 12:12 PM on February 5 [18 favorites]


So what has happened that he hasn't bleated with rage?

Isn't/wasn't the Red Cross Ball at Mar a Lago this weekend? He's probably all tuckered out.
posted by TWinbrook8 at 12:12 PM on February 5


From the Independent UK article futz linked to above, about Judge Robart:
Often sporting bow-ties with his black robes, Judge Robart is known for saying from the bench in 2016 that “black lives matter.” He cited the statement popularised by protesters during a hearing about a 2012 consent decree with the federal government that required the Seattle police department to address allegations of bias and excessive force.

In 2011, Judge Robart put a temporary hold on a state rule change that would have cut government funding for disabled children and families in Washington.

“When faced with a conflict between the financial and budgetary concerns [...] and the preventable human suffering,” Judge Robart wrote in that opinion, “the balance of hardships tips in the favour of preventing human suffering.”
No wonder Trump is threatened by this guy. He's a decent human being with a functioning moral compass.
posted by hurdy gurdy girl at 12:14 PM on February 5 [41 favorites]


He's a decent human being with a functioning moral compass.

Yeah, not so good on the whole woman thing though.
posted by mudpuppie at 12:20 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


Who, Judge Robart?
posted by hurdy gurdy girl at 12:22 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


He's a decent human being with a functioning moral compass.

Yeah, not so good on the whole woman thing though.


Unless I'm missing something, your link is about SC nominee Gorsuch rather than Judge Robart who stayed the ban, fosters refugees, and has the moral compass.
posted by chris24 at 12:22 PM on February 5 [10 favorites]


Yeah, not so good on the whole woman thing though.

That's about Judge Gorsuch, the SCOTUS pick not Judge Robart, the judge that imposed the TRO.
posted by Talez at 12:23 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


um... Trump presides over Red Cross Ball at Mar-a-Lago
The event “From Vienna to Versailles,” took place Saturday night at the Mar-a-Lago Club, which was done up in Old World 18th-century style, right down to the service staff in powdered wigs and satin knee breeches or Marie Antoinette dresses.

“Yes,” said one server, when asked if the wig was hot. “And it weighs four pounds.”
posted by zachlipton at 12:28 PM on February 5 [25 favorites]


Guys, Is something out there trying to tell us something? Did we get the year wrong?

Asteroids are flying past the earth more often than usual

A total of four asteroids have buzzed past the earth this year already, with the most recent one flying between the earth and the moon earlier this week.

The number of close shaves in such a short space of time has “raised eyebrows,” according to the Slooh observatory.

Asteroid 2017 BS32 came within about 100,000 miles of us this week, and was roughly the size of a bus.

posted by futz at 12:29 PM on February 5 [11 favorites]


@kristoncapps
Ninety percent of Republicans approve of Trump's first two weeks as president. I don't know y'all. [chart of various demos]

@HeerJeet Retweeted Kriston Capps
People need to stop pretending there is a large cache of "good Republicans" to win over.
posted by chris24 at 12:30 PM on February 5 [63 favorites]


Gah. I am a stupid person with poor reading comprehension skills and an inability to track details. Apologies.
posted by mudpuppie at 12:31 PM on February 5 [8 favorites]


Make no mistake; this evening was definitely the victory lap for Donald, who had wore a “That’s right everybody; I’m the President” grin as he was greeted by thunderous applause.

Or maybe that was a plane taking off.


Do I detect a tiny hint of shade?
posted by maggiemaggie at 12:32 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


Judge Robart, in case you've missed it in other threads and articles, has also been overseeing the consent decree the city of Seattle and police department have with the Justice department to try to fix biased policing. He literally said "black lives matter" on the bench a while back. I'm so pleased (but unsurprised) that he would rule the way he did.
posted by R343L at 12:33 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]


The fact that DJT hasn't tweeted today is making me nervous.

Meh. I think they are running the White House like they are still running a campaign. Seeing they're stuck in a negative coverage loop, they decided to take his phone away to take a break from shooting their own feet. They are trying to reset the news cycle by keeping quiet, then looking presidential by visiting CENTCOM & SOCOM (the Super Bowl helps too).

It shows that dissent works and negative news coverage is getting to Trump, that the main source of their ability to do anything is by soft coverage from a compliant press. That tweetstream chris24 posted shows how important a policy victory is for the administration right now. They're really going to have to show some competency and reach out to people who voted against him or remain boxed in by pushback from all sides.
posted by peeedro at 12:34 PM on February 5 [8 favorites]


um... Trump presides over Red Cross Ball at Mar-a-Lago

Jesus, any word on if the poor should eat cake?
posted by Artw at 12:37 PM on February 5 [11 favorites]


The pool reporters at Mar-a-Lago are pretty idle, mostly reporting on the motorcade and traffic lights.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 12:39 PM on February 5


Oh, he's tweeting again. Now setting up "the court system" to blame for everything.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 12:41 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


Way to prove me wrong, Donald.
posted by peeedro at 12:43 PM on February 5 [10 favorites]


Here's today's nonsense: "Just cannot believe a judge would put our country in such peril. If something happens blame him and court system. People pouring in. Bad!" "I have instructed Homeland Security to check people coming into our country VERY CAREFULLY. The courts are making the job very difficult!"
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 12:43 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


Heard about the ball from Tony Ortega's Scientology blog, of all places. Paulette Cooper, one of the earliest Scientology critics and a person heavily persecuted by the cult, sat next to the Commerce Secretary, who she lobbied for a removal of Scientology's religious tax exemption.
posted by honestcoyote at 12:45 PM on February 5 [5 favorites]


The Washington Post linked DOJ's filing from Friday on the immigration ban.
posted by marguerite at 12:47 PM on February 5


@kristoncapps
Ninety percent of Republicans approve of Trump's first two weeks as president. I don't know y'all. [chart of various demos]

@HeerJeet Retweeted Kriston Capps
People need to stop pretending there is a large cache of "good Republicans" to win over.


That CNN/ORC poll is all over the damn shop.
posted by aspersioncast at 12:50 PM on February 5


So if Republicans are now the party of anger and hatred (and I think they are), what does that leave on the table for Democrats? I know we've tried the Unity and Togetherness and Love things, but frankly those are pretty cheesy and to a lot of people sound wimpy.

I'd propose something else. The Party of Families. I would really like to see Dems start talking incessantly about families. It works so well on so many issues. Immigration? The GOP are trying to break up families. LGBTQ rights? The GOP are trying to invalidate our marriages and break up our families. Reproductive rights? The GOP want to legislate decisions that should be left to families about when and how often they should expand. Healthcare? The GOP wants to bankrupt your family if you get sick. Education? The GOP wants to defund public schools and put the burden back on working families to pay for education.

I think the GOP have left "Family Values" on the table and I think we need to pick it up. And make it deliberately an inclusive definition of family. Including all the complicated, modern ways that families form and grow. Including families of choice but not blood.

I'd really like to see the GOP hit on this. They are trying to destabilize our communities and our families and they need to be called on it.
posted by threeturtles at 12:53 PM on February 5 [174 favorites]


Just cannot believe a judge would put our country in such peril. If something happens blame him and court system. People pouring in. Bad!

Wow, your direct reports must be really shitty if it only takes one dude in Seattle to fuck up the whole thing. Maybe you should fire a bunch of them and then quit so adults can resume running the country.
posted by Etrigan at 12:55 PM on February 5 [12 favorites]


So he's gone from attacking judges to attacking an entire co-equal branch of government. Are we getting into violating-your-Presidential-oath territory?
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 12:55 PM on February 5 [28 favorites]


Re the singing mice stuff I work with...

Guys, I promise I'll bring you a cool Projects piece about the singing mice once I have something to talk about besides "they exist, they sing and it sounds rather like birds, they live in the cloud forests of Costa Rica, and before my boss picked up researching them a few years ago no one had paid attention to them since the 1970s."

Right now I am still in the stages of desperately trying to troubleshoot the most basic part of the story I am trying to tell before time runs out. It turns out that when you try to be innovative by picking up an obscure technique developed for feeding behavior research and applying it to questions in evolutionary biology, energy balance, and decision-making, it takes some time to iron out the kinks.

For context, in the third year of my PhD, my university discovered that oh yeah, the budget was fucked and had been for twenty years, after it fired a bunch of existing administration and brought in new ones. I went from "informally, we'll give you seven years of TA funding to get out; after all, the average time for graduation here is 6.5 years" to "ah, yes, starting with today's third years (!), after five years of funding with a bit of departmental support thrown into your pay checks, you take a serious pay cut, and after seven you automatically Master out!" As a bonus, I just got a letter from my chair surveying whether grad students would be okay with a system (applied, thank fuck, to anyone coming after us) in which students are offered a pay raise but given just two years of guaranteed funding, with everything else coming from the same research grants that are so uncertain in my department. He hopes he can get the dean up to three years if he argues!

At the same time, I'm eyeing the political situation with some alarm, because if I do have to pack up and scramble to Canada or something on short notice, does that mean abandoning the last five years of my work? Having the three letters after my name will at least give me something to show employers if there is no future in the field I trained for left. I want that degree, but it's dependent on a bunch of things outside my control, which is scary and exhausting, and time is running out.

I mentioned developing this technique to answer this question despite no one having ever used it outside of the corner of the field it was developed in? Well, let me add on here: it's a drug not many people use without a consistent nomenclature, so I had difficulties figuring out where to order it from and which exact different name was really the thing I wanted. I also spent the first two years I was in my PhD developing a research question of my own, not a pre-made one my boss had... and oh, yes, building the complex and very finicky ultrasonic-capable recording system necessary to both play and record the whole singing mouse songs. (About a third of the song is in the ultrasonic, so if you want to get the full view of what mice are doing and hearing, you can't just use normal recording equipment.) I built the whole sound chamber system, with guidance from my boss and some help from one other student, up from a pile of coaxial cable, some plywood boxes, connector ends we got from RadioShack and a pile of car speakers.

So it's not like I was sitting around with my thumb in my ass, is my point. I also learned four programming languages from a starting point of knowing jack fuck all when I came to grad school, in part because my boss handed me the job of assembling the singing mouse genome from scratch as a side project in there. As one does.

but basically, the point I'm making here is that if you want the sense-of-wonder science stories, I the scientist need some support to actually put them together first and right now I am so stressed and time-conscious on the singing mice I work with and so conscious of the fact that my story is not coming together in time and that this will be rough on my family for a few years that I really do not want to start telling that story before I feel confident that I will be able to finish it. I'm 26 fucking years old, my partner and I have been talking about whether we want to have kids, and there is so much pressure on scientists to be able to return results in a predictable time frame even when trying to simultaneously do new, innovative things that haven't been done before that it's been wearing me pretty damn thin. There's a lot of work that goes into making sure the evidence for these stories is solid, so we're not accidentally telling fiction. And the toll that the existing system takes on scientists, especially grad students and postdocs--when I do graduate I anticipate at least two to four years of moving worldwide before I find a place to put down roots--is really heavy, and it's getting heavier every day.

Fuck. I don't even know. I see scientists around me looking into crowdfunding to pay for their work, and then I think "that's not necessarily good for science, but what would be better?" I think about maybe setting up a Patreon so I can feel more comfortable telling these stories about the natural world sometimes, so I can be paid for the work of finding things and sharing what I know and talking about the whole delightful sparkling ridiculous wonderful absurd world of nature and animal behavior and evolutionary biology and microbiology--so I can devote time to doing that without guilt. But I don't know who would pay for it, and then I just cycle back to that desperate and depressed feeling of just--feeling like the general public wants the taglines, but not to have to think about the hard and exhausting work that you have to put in to get the story, all the failures along the way, not to pay to make sure that scientists are comfortable or can have families without sacrificing communities and support systems over and over and over again before they can set down roots, finally, in their forties.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that talking about singing mice, trying to find out why singing mice sing and how a given mouse decides whether to sing or not... well, as with everything in life, there is a trade-off, and there is a cost. There's a cost to doing anything. And I am so worn out and tired by the pressures that I'm feeling about the question I'm trying to answer that suddenly the bright sparkling question that I want to find out, because finding out is important as well as wonderful, becomes a source of depression instead of a source of joy. When I have an answer, I promise I will bring it here, but until then I'm focusing all my 'thinking about singing mice' time on... well, trying to tell that first chunk of the story.
posted by sciatrix at 12:56 PM on February 5 [92 favorites]


When I tell journalists what I do and they wince and say "oh, so you're really getting fucked then," that kind of makes me view my own personal work with sorrow, is what I'm saying. It's hard to be bright and enthusiastic and shiny about something when you're scared every time you think about it.
posted by sciatrix at 12:57 PM on February 5 [34 favorites]


Trump drives two prominent state Republicans to the ACLU

...Satterberg and Vance are part of the largest surge in ACLU membership in the local chapter’s 85-year history. The group had only 18,000 members statewide before the election. As of Friday, that had soared past 50,000.
posted by futz at 12:59 PM on February 5 [26 favorites]


delfin: "It would be handy if the Democrats actually ran and backed candidates against republicans in 2018 so that we could vote for them.

There was a guy who suggested something like that. And another guy who said, look, just run anyone. Or anything.

But one made a loud noise once and the other is fat, so pay no mind.
"

I got to meet Dr. Dean and shake his hand when he came to rural-suburban Western PA to kick off the campaign for a Democratic congressional candidate in 2006 who went on to unseat the republican incumbent.

Who then went on to be kind of a shitty blue-dog for three sessions of congress, voted against the ACA and then got redistricted out of office anyway.
posted by octothorpe at 1:03 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


> I'd propose something else. The Party of Families.

There are individual men and women, and there are families. I don't like this future.
posted by stonepharisee at 1:04 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


Pro Trump protest outside Trump Tower.

*sigh*
posted by Talez at 1:04 PM on February 5


The Wall Street Journal not pulling any punches with this:

U.S. Suggests Path to End Russian Sanctions

(If you hit a pay wall, try Googling the headline. I think it's worth the effort to see a mainstream conservative leaning national newspaper implying very heavily with lots of mahor sources that Trump is beholden to Putin.)
posted by OnceUponATime at 1:05 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]


Pro Trump protest outside Trump Tower.

There are, of course, more people on the average NYC bus than at this protest, and as many have noted on Twitter, not exactly much in the way of handmade signs.
posted by zachlipton at 1:08 PM on February 5 [20 favorites]


Pro Trump protest outside Trump Tower.

I clicked for you, Metafilter. Looks like about 20-25 people.
posted by deludingmyself at 1:09 PM on February 5 [29 favorites]


Still, at fifty bucks a pop, that's setting him back over a thousand dollars.

Which isn't really that much, come to think of it.
posted by Grangousier at 1:10 PM on February 5 [15 favorites]


(If you hit a pay wall, try Googling the headline. I think it's worth the effort to see a mainstream conservative leaning national newspaper implying very heavily with lots of mahor sources that Trump is beholden to Putin.)

Well, duh. Hardly any denying it at this point. I mean, the guy who said it was prudent to drop sanctions against Russia because sanctions are universally bad is the same guy who just proposed sanctions against Iran.

It's pretty clear where his bread is buttered.
posted by Sys Rq at 1:10 PM on February 5 [7 favorites]


Pro Trump protest outside Trump Tower.

Sad.
posted by maggiemaggie at 1:11 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


Since Trump accuses all protestors of being paid I feel fairly secure in believing that those are probably Trump Tower employees told to go stand outside. Or maybe hired actors that won't get paid. Again.

On Preview, ditto Grangousier
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 1:13 PM on February 5 [13 favorites]


Seriously, you could put together an anti-Trump rally bigger than that outside Trump Tower just by standing on the corner and yelling "Hey, everyone, let's have an anti-Trump rally!" You don't need to organize 25 people who hate Trump, you just need to walk down the street.
posted by Frowner at 1:13 PM on February 5 [92 favorites]


There were pro-Trump protestors at Portland Oregon last night, to counter anti-Trump protests, as per me mom.

I keep having this thought *going into a coma would be SO convenient* and then I flash to Danny Boyle waking up in 28 days later.
posted by angrycat at 1:14 PM on February 5 [17 favorites]


The absence of handmade signs is fascinating. What there was, in the front was "jews for trump", printed signs.
posted by stonepharisee at 1:14 PM on February 5 [5 favorites]


Still, at fifty bucks a pop, that's setting him back over a thousand dollars.

Then pays another thousand in overtime to security and claims back $5000 as a line item for taxpayer reimbursement.
posted by holgate at 1:15 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]


Gah. I am a stupid person with poor reading comprehension skills and an inability to track details. Apologies.

posted by mudpuppie


Feels like a Trump quote from an alternate reality.
posted by ZeusHumms at 1:16 PM on February 5 [11 favorites]


And, of course, he never gets round to actually paying anybody.
posted by Grangousier at 1:16 PM on February 5 [7 favorites]


Variety: re: SNL The NBC late-night institution has been on a ratings roll since President Trump’s upset victory in the Nov. 8 presidential election. Saturday’s edition delivered a 2.5 rating in adults 18-49 in Nielsen’s 56 overnight metered markets, which cover 70% of U.S. TV households.

That was strong enough to make “SNL” the second highest-rated program of the week in the key demo, behind only CBS’ “The Big Bang Theory,” which scored a 3.3 in the metered markets on Thursday. “SNL’s” ratings will likely rise by double digits when delayed viewing is factored-in.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:20 PM on February 5 [6 favorites]


Trump’s F.C.C. Quickly Targets Net Neutrality Rules

Mr. Pai took a first swipe at net neutrality rules designed to ensure equal access to content on the internet. He stopped nine companies from providing discounted high-speed internet service to low-income individuals. He withdrew an effort to keep prison phone rates down.

In total, the chairman of the F.C.C. released about a dozen actions in the last week, many buried in the agency website and not publicly announced, stunning consumer advocacy groups and telecom analysts. They said Mr. Pai’s message is clear: The F.C.C., an independent agency, will mirror the Trump administration’s rapid unwinding of government regulations that businesses fought against during the Obama years.


More fuckery & much more to come. Fuck these people.
posted by futz at 1:21 PM on February 5 [56 favorites]


Is this where we get to ask whether those pro-Trump protestors have jobs?
posted by Rykey at 1:28 PM on February 5 [26 favorites]


This Matters posted a video approaching racism as a mental illness (analogous to alcoholic or abusive behaviors). I have a feeling that might evoke some complex reactions here. Meaning I'm not sure whether to share the video, although it makes some very good points.
posted by emjaybee at 1:29 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


Trump’s F.C.C. Quickly Targets Net Neutrality Rules

I do wonder how his non-wealthy voters will take it when their internet bills suddenly quadruple. There's probably some way to blame it on immigrants and the (((globalist elite))) but it's not hard to imagine some of those non-Democrats getting very, very pissed off and knowing who to blame.
posted by Rust Moranis at 1:30 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


I don't think they care about low-income voters though. Possibly resistance from Silicon Valley businesses that rely on lots of people having cheap internet access to flourish might make a difference.
posted by emjaybee at 1:33 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


Well, duh. Hardly any denying it at this point. I mean, the guy who said it was prudent to drop sanctions against Russia because sanctions are universally bad is the same guy who just proposed sanctions against Iran.

It's pretty clear where his bread is buttered.


And if you are thinking WTF Iran is a client state of Russia's, why would they want sanctions on Iran? Well, because it locks Iran in as an exclusive client state of Russia.
posted by srboisvert at 1:38 PM on February 5 [10 favorites]


Yeah, it's a simplistic framework, I realise, but what I come back to a lot is how abusers work and how much of that is echoed here (and in authoritarianism in general). Isolation? Absolutely. Removing other options? Absolutely.
posted by E. Whitehall at 1:45 PM on February 5 [4 favorites]


Regarding Ajit Pai shutting down nine providers of affordable internet, it appears that's out of 900 providers which is omitted form a lot of the articles, can anyone shed some light as to why those nine providers were targeted?
posted by furtive at 1:50 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


I don't exactly expect master-level cloak-and-dagger-y political maneuvering from this crowd, but they're not even being halfway original.

Well, they are team plagiarism....
posted by srboisvert at 1:51 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


The BadHombre lands twitter account appealing for faxtivism** on pending legislation:

THEIR WORD NOT MY WORD THAT WAS THEIR WORD
posted by angrycat at 1:58 PM on February 5 [6 favorites]


@realDonaldTrump
Just cannot believe a judge would put our country in such peril. If something happens blame him and court system. People pouring in. Bad!


@jaketapper Retweeted Donald J. Trump

"The buck stops there."

-- Alternative Harry S Truman
posted by chris24 at 1:58 PM on February 5 [27 favorites]


There were pro-Trump protestors at Portland Oregon last night, to counter anti-Trump protests, as per me mom.
There were a couple of pro-Trump protesters at the Stop the Ban protest that I just got back from. One of them had a Trump/ Pence campaign sign, and one of them had a handmade sign that said "Iowa for Iowans." They tried really hard to make people pay attention to them and angled hard to position themselves right in front of the speakers, but there were a lot more of us than there were of them, so no dice. I do worry a bit about the potential for violence in the future, if Trump people start really getting upset that we're better at protesting than they are.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 1:59 PM on February 5 [11 favorites]


[From previous thread:] >But her emails.

Seriously, has anyone started FIA-ing Trump administration documents yet? Because believe me, they are going to have like 20X the official communication on non-govt servers, non-official cell phone use, text messaging, etc etc etc etc etc used to conduct official government business as Clinton ever did. And of course they are never planning to release ANY of it but that is where the FIA lawsuit is going to come in.

This is a project that I--and I'll wager, many others--would support with $$$ in a big way.

Example: FIA request for all communications related to the executive order on immigration, specifically including all email messages and text messages related to the executive order sent by administration officials on non-government-owned messaging systems.

Even better: FIA request for all documents related to the administration's policy for using non-government-owned & approved cell phones, text messaging systems, and email systems.
posted by flug at 2:01 PM on February 5 [36 favorites]


[Repost from old thread--feel free to skip if you saw it there!]

sylvanshine:
I never see a peep from the metafilter left about regulation of info-tech-type technology—and it seems to be a happy absence, as if we're all so enthralled by 'cyberspace' that we fail to see how it fractures society and fractures minds and has expedited wealth inequality; if TV was a vast wasteland, what in god's name is the 2017 internet?

Apropos this, I came across a really interesting article about a citizens group in rural Missouri that has come together to opposed windmills in their county. It really shows the insularity and lack of knowledge about local government--and then how they fill the information void via internet propaganda sites.

To be clear, I DO NOT think this is a problem unique to rural America--to the contrary, it is extremely common everywhere. Suburban life, in particular, seems almost specifically designed to foster the same type of insularity and separation from almost every other part of society.
“We don’t have much communication up here,” Walker says. “There’s not much internet access. A lot of people don’t read the paper or pay much attention to what the county commission is doing. People keep to themselves.” . . .

Dekalb County is not a place of extreme poverty (it hovers around 18 percent, about three points higher than the Missouri average) . . . Unemployment is below 4 percent, as low as it’s been since the new century began.

Still, like much of Missouri, Dekalb County . . . has grown increasingly Republican over the past 20 years. . . .

Dekalb County does not have countywide zoning. . . . [In most of the County] there is no zoning whatsoever, and any business — a gun range, a hog plant, a wind farm — is free to set up shop wherever it pleases, regardless of a neighbor’s objections. . . .

After listening to a few Concerned Citizens speak about “clean coal” one afternoon, I asked where they were getting their information. I was directed to the Concerned Citizens’ Facebook page, where members regularly post anti-wind articles they’ve found on the internet. . . .

Many of the articles on the Facebook page came from Breitbart or stopthesethings.com, a website with the tagline “We’re not here to debate wind energy, we’re here to destroy it.” . . .

Many of the Concerned Citizens — old men, mostly — lack the sophistication to recognize these links as a swamp of online propaganda. This is not their fault. They have come to believe that they are finally getting, through these Facebook and e-mail links, the straight dope that the mainstream media have been suppressing. And surprise: It just so happens to align with how they already feel about wind farms.
I feel pretty strongly that exactly the dynamic described here drives many people's knowledge and attitudes about politics and political issues.

I don't know what to do about it, but I agree it is dangerous in ways we have seen before many times in human history, but also in a way that is new and particularly dangerous.
posted by flug at 2:07 PM on February 5 [31 favorites]


To me, there's two interesting parts to the tweets today.

First, why are people surprised? Yes, maybe it feels different now that he's the President, but this is the exact same behavior he carried on during the campaign. It's not even the first time in the past year he's attacked a federal judge for ruling against him. And he ran his entire campaign on the theme of "people don't ever change who they are." So really, nobody should be surprised: we knew he was a snake before we took him in.

Second, everyone is jumping on the whole "attacking a federal judge and holding him responsible for any future bad thing that happens anywhere in the country" angle, which yes, does stand out, but we're missing the broader point, which is that he continues to paint a picture of "people pouring in. Bad!" that conflates legal and illegal immigration and acts like we don't have an entire security apparatus that denies millions of visas a year. He's intentionally confusing people (if he even knows the system well enough to call his actions intentional) who don't have the foggiest idea how our immigration system works into believing that everyone can currently just come in. People have heard him rant about the border for so long that they now could reasonably conclude that this fuss could be about people sneaking into the country, not those who've gone through the significant hoops to acquire visas.
posted by zachlipton at 2:12 PM on February 5 [19 favorites]


pro-Trump protestors

I just assumed that this was an impromptu campaign rally. You know, for his 2020 campaign. The one that started two weeks ago.
posted by bonje at 2:12 PM on February 5 [4 favorites]


wasn't the Red Cross Ball at Mar a Lago

Whenever I see Red Cross I usually think, "bad, right-wing, Liddy Dole, overpaid execs, something something" followed by some vague guilt that no they do some good work, in a pinch I'd give-

BUT. That did not help them with me at all.
posted by petebest at 2:17 PM on February 5 [13 favorites]


People aren't surprised by the actions taking place, they're surprised at how fast and how blatant they are.

It's been 16 days since Trump came into power. Nixon took years to get to this place in his presidency.
posted by flatluigi at 2:26 PM on February 5 [30 favorites]


Hmm, from that CNN poll linked above:
Q2. Regardless of whether you approve or disapprove of Donald Trump, do you think the way he has handled the presidency so far is in line with what you expected of him, or has he handled the presidency in an unexpected way?

As expected -78%
An unexpected way -21%
No opinion - 1%

Q2a. And do you think that is a good thing or a bad thing?

As expected, good thing - 42%
As expected, bad thing - 35%
An unexpected way, good thing - 3%
An unexpected way, bad thing - 17%
No opinion - 1%
That 17% "an unexpected way" + "bad thing" makes me, once again, hopeful (though not optimistic).
posted by tivalasvegas at 2:26 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]




Also, who are these 3% of people who are pleasantly surprised by the Trump calvacade of racist, incompetent failures!?!?!
posted by tivalasvegas at 2:28 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]


I'm still wondering about the 2% of people who supported Hillary Clinton and believed she was an actual demon. Was this support in spite of her demon nature or because of it?
posted by zachlipton at 2:30 PM on February 5 [17 favorites]


The next time there's a disaster and the American Red Cross is asking for money on TV, it will indeed be very hard to not think about them holding a gala at Mar-a-Lago where they made waiters wear four pound 18th century powdered wigs as I go look for a local charity to support instead.
posted by zachlipton at 2:33 PM on February 5 [76 favorites]


@slpng_giants

"Hold up. So OUR tax dollars are being used for ads on Breitbart to recruit border agents?
@CNN @MSNBC @nytimes @Fahrenthold look into this?"

Some else noticed the CBP ad . . .
posted by aspersioncast at 2:35 PM on February 5 [60 favorites]


I'm still wondering about the 2% of people who supported Hillary Clinton and believed she was an actual demon. Was this support in spite of her demon nature or because of it?

Hmm, hard to say -- I'd split the difference. 1% committed Satanists who saw in Hillary one of their own, finally; and 1% people who thought "well, yes, she may be a minion of the Devil hell-bent on destroying the children of light, but at least she's not a racist, misogynist fascist asshole."
posted by tivalasvegas at 2:35 PM on February 5 [22 favorites]


flug: Thanks for posting that - it hadn't crossed my media feeds yet. I grew up in King City (well, near King City), the town mentioned that has to field an 8-person football team. My family has 150+ year roots in that area. None of this surprises me, and is 100% why I'm one of those people who no longer lives there. (And, honestly, the fact that I would have liked to lease the land for a wind farm is almost the only reason that I regret having sold the land I inherited when my dad passed away.) The population there has been skewing older and older since I was born, and the decrease in size of school population has nothing to do with the wind farms - but confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.

It makes me sad to find out the Shatto dairy owners are anti-wind farm people, though. I love their products.
posted by jferg at 2:37 PM on February 5 [5 favorites]


Also, who are these 3% of people who are pleasantly surprised by the Trump calvacade of racist, incompetent failures!?!?!

People respond the way they do to surveys for all kinds of reasons, not necessarily always as a true reflection of their beliefs. The respondent may see their response as an opportunity to make a particular kind of political statement, so saying you are "pleasantly surprised" by Donald's actions may just be a way of emphasizing that you support him, rather than a real commentary on your opinions on any specific action and/or whether you expected it.

See also the Washington Post survey of Donald vs. Obama's inauguration crowd sizes. Also compare the Asch conformity experiment in which research subjects inaccurately reported the length of a line in an easy comparison task if surrounded by confederates deliberately giving the wrong answer.
posted by biogeo at 2:41 PM on February 5 [6 favorites]


Lord Dampnut: Health care replacement could take until 2018

"In an interview with Fox News conservative commentator Bill O'Reilly asked: 'Can Americans in 2017 expect a new health care plan rolled out by the Dampnut administration this year?'

'Yes, in the process and maybe it'll take till sometime into next year but we're certainly going to be in the process,' Dampnut said. '(It's) very complicated -- Obamacare is a disaster. You have to remember, Obamacare doesn't work so we are putting in a wonderful plan,' he said. 'It statutorily takes a while to get. We're going to be putting it in fairly soon, I think that -- yes, I would like to say by the end of the year at least the rudiments but we should have something within the year and the following year.' "

Every time I read his transcripted dialogue I can actually feel my mind degrading in quality. Bad!
posted by Rust Moranis at 2:47 PM on February 5 [14 favorites]


Superb Owl coming-up shortly ...

I wish entertainers would stay out of politics ... The guy who first hosted "The Apprentice," for example.
posted by ZenMasterThis at 2:50 PM on February 5 [4 favorites]


People respond the way they do to surveys for all kinds of reasons, not necessarily always as a true reflection of their beliefs.

^ This. Definitely a salient (if not particularly actionable) takeaway from this election cycle.
posted by aspersioncast at 2:51 PM on February 5 [5 favorites]


Red Cross needs to go. Or refocus. It's been more than a decade since I stopped giving to them. My money goes to MSF, and some other organisations where I can understand their annual reports.
Anecdotically, I was brought up to avoid the Red Cross, because my granddad was involved in the 1956 Revolution in Hungary, and he felt the Red Cross failed spectacularly then. Still, I gave to them when I grew up and earned my own money, because of their universal access.
There was no specific episode that led to my return to childhood norms, more a continuous disappointment with their annual reports and that fascination of celebrity and power..
posted by mumimor at 2:51 PM on February 5 [4 favorites]


I'm still wondering about the 2% of people who supported Hillary Clinton and believed she was an actual demon. Was this support in spite of her demon nature or because of it?

Clinton, like so many women, don't you know, particularly at the demonstration are apparently driven by demons!

A culture of shameless swindlers. Would that they would go fuck themselves instead of everyone else.
posted by juiceCake at 2:53 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


No need to read too deeply into the tweets except this: You are in danger, everyone else is trying to hurt you, only I can protect you if everyone gets out of my way.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 2:55 PM on February 5 [6 favorites]


People respond the way they do to surveys for all kinds of reasons, not necessarily always as a true reflection of their beliefs.

this changes everything
posted by tivalasvegas at 2:58 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


No need to read too deeply into the tweets except this: You are in danger, everyone else is trying to hurt you, only I can protect you if everyone gets out of my way.

Huh. I just reread the last few dozen trump tweets and (after performing the prescribed ritual vomiting) realized that with a few minor exceptions, announcements of upcoming TV interviews and such, his blatherings can indeed generally be translated into your formula "You are in danger. [Entity A] is trying to [negatively impact] you. Only I can protect you [by doing x] if [Useful Idiots B] get out of my way."

(I can't tell if this is an epiphany or a commonplace, since my brain is permanently broken now.)
posted by tivalasvegas at 3:05 PM on February 5 [7 favorites]




So Trump threatened to "defund" California in that Fox interview.

As a California I have this to say: Fuck you, you ridiculous clown. Try it and see what happens when you pick a fight with the most liberal state in the nation which also happens to be the 6th largest economy in the world. We are not afraid of pissant little wannabe dictators.
posted by Justinian at 3:08 PM on February 5 [120 favorites]


It's been 16 days since Trump came into power. Nixon took years to get to this place in his presidency.

15 months after Watergate only 18% wanted to impeach Nixon. He didn't reach the 40% Trump is already at until after the Saturday Night Massacre.
posted by chris24 at 3:11 PM on February 5 [12 favorites]


Re: Trump Tweets and fear.

Yup. He's been using the old formula "OUR $WHATEVER IS BEING ATTACKED...' which frames him and his followers as the oppressed from the first moment, and insulates them against -- well, logic really, since they've accepted the axioms from faith.
posted by mikelieman at 3:12 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


Well in fairness, Nixon was merely a crook.
posted by biogeo at 3:13 PM on February 5 [12 favorites]




That "No Nukes" policy for California sure wasn't the right idea in the final analysis
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 3:17 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


You know those 3 million popular votes that we keep bragging about? Channel them into winning 2018. You know that unprecedented anger and activism we're seeing around us? Encourage people to channel that into 2018! It doesn't even need to distract from the (remote) possibility of a Trump impeachment, we can work on two things!

Yes yes yes yes YES. Drive the opposition from power. FOCUS.
posted by supercrayon at 3:23 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


15 months after Watergate only 18% wanted to impeach Nixon. He didn't reach the 40% Trump is already at until after the Saturday Night Massacre.

To be fair, Trump didn't reach 40% until after the Bowling Green Massacre.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 3:25 PM on February 5 [67 favorites]


Goodness. Trump is such a poisoned brand that even Mike "Pray the Gay Away" Pence is standing up against him to defend LGBT folks under some sort of circumstance? Dude's clearly angling to get the public on his side for when he inevitably takes the reins.
posted by DoctorFedora at 3:34 PM on February 5 [5 favorites]


@slpng_giants

"Hold up. So OUR tax dollars are being used for ads on Breitbart to recruit border agents?
@CNN @MSNBC @nytimes @Fahrenthold look into this?"

Some else noticed the CBP ad . . .


Yay, mudpuppie's traction hits the bigtime.
posted by FelliniBlank at 3:36 PM on February 5 [10 favorites]


As a California I have this to say: Fuck you, you ridiculous clown. Try it and see what happens when you pick a fight with the most liberal state in the nation which also happens to be the 6th largest economy in the world. We are not afraid of pissant little wannabe dictators.

Eh eh eh. Wait in line, California, we've got dibs on this bad hombre.

--Chicago
posted by tivalasvegas at 3:38 PM on February 5 [16 favorites]


As a California I have this to say: Fuck you, you ridiculous clown. Try it and see what happens when you pick a fight with the most liberal state in the nation which also happens to be the 6th largest economy in the world. We are not afraid of pissant little wannabe dictators.


let's make it a slow burn, just arrange to have someone chuck a ripe avocado at him every day for the rest of his presidency
posted by murphy slaw at 3:43 PM on February 5


So Trump threatened to "defund" California in that Fox interview.

As a Californian, I have to say this: "lol."
posted by entropicamericana at 3:43 PM on February 5 [30 favorites]


have someone chuck a ripe avocado at him every day for the rest of his presidency

NOOO don't waste that potential guacamole what is wrong with you.

Maybe some moldy grapes or something.
posted by emjaybee at 3:50 PM on February 5 [17 favorites]


He can't even keep Austin from rebelling, and our governor is firmly in his fucking pocket. You can't even get one Texan city in line, and you think you're going to cow a whole state?
posted by sciatrix at 3:52 PM on February 5 [11 favorites]


Trump: California is out of control

California: Come at us, bro.
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 3:52 PM on February 5 [50 favorites]


Some else noticed the CBP ad . . .

Yay, mudpuppie's traction hits the bigtime.


And it's been retweeted about 60 times in the last 10 minutes alone to like the entire news media. Friends, we have liftoff.
posted by FelliniBlank at 3:53 PM on February 5 [41 favorites]


Maybe some moldy grapes or something.

We like to refer to it as noble rot, thankyouverymuch.
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 3:53 PM on February 5 [6 favorites]


stray thought...is no one paying attention to the white house staff using a private web server(RNC's) for government business? links? news?
posted by j_curiouser at 3:57 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


The comments about Putin are even worse than I thought since he seems to be explicitly equating US soldiers killing people in Iraq to Putin killing dissidents . How can the military accept this?
posted by gatorae at 3:58 PM on February 5 [35 favorites]




I'm still wondering about the 2% of people who supported Hillary Clinton and believed she was an actual demon. Was this support in spite of her demon nature or because of it?

The most likely answer is sadly boring stuff like -- assuming I remember PPP's methods correctly -- fat-fingering their responses on the phone and the occasional person who's just fucking with them for shits and giggles. I love love love that PPP asks such entertaining questions, but a flipside of that is that I betcha they do get a nontrivial number of people who just fuck around with those questions.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 4:04 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


hey, president trump. california here. how about this deal: you stop sending us money and we'll stop sending you money and we'll see who runs out of money first
posted by murphy slaw at 4:04 PM on February 5 [101 favorites]


Trump: California is out of control

...and loving it. </Don Adams Voice>

...he seems to be explicitly equating US soldiers killing people in Iraq to Putin killing dissidents . How can the military accept this?

...by taking orders to kill dissidents.

Meanwhile, I've heard that Lady Gaga's halftime show at the Superbowl will feature "hundreds" of flying drones, while the Vice Pence is attending. This falls in the "what could possibly go wrong (list no less than 100)" department.
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:04 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


What, we're demonshaming now? Not cool, Mefi
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 4:05 PM on February 5 [16 favorites]


Why Trump Is Great

Needs more features. Or different snark on every reload. Something.
posted by Archelaus at 4:06 PM on February 5


Way to attack our allies, Archelaus. [fake]
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 4:07 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


Much applause to mudpuppie and Horace Rumpole for getting that freaking ad onto the world's radar. [15-minute standing ovation complete with . . . nevermind.]
posted by FelliniBlank at 4:07 PM on February 5 [10 favorites]


The comments about Putin are even worse than I thought since he seems to be explicitly equating US soldiers killing people in Iraq to Putin killing dissidents

Yeah dude this is still where I'm at, with a side of being really fucking depressed that so many people's reading/listening comprehension is so low that this distinction is not crystal clear to them. (I rarely "both sides do it" but both sides are making this mistake right now and it's driving me bananas.)
posted by soren_lorensen at 4:10 PM on February 5 [11 favorites]


Archelaus you didn't reload it, did you?
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 4:12 PM on February 5


Much applause to mudpuppie and Horace Rumpole for getting that freaking ad onto the world's radar. [15-minute standing ovation complete with . . . nevermind.]

Thanks and all, but I think it was more the result of someone else coming across the CBP ad and Sleeping Giants noticing it (whereas they didn't notice when we posted it yesterday).
posted by mudpuppie at 4:13 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


The White House put out a readout about the call with the NATO Secretary General. One again, it describes what's happening in Ukraine as a conflict along the border.
posted by zachlipton at 4:15 PM on February 5


So Bannon owns Breitbart and then a government agency just happens to start paying Breitbart (i.e., Bannon) to display ads? That's pretty goddamn brazen.
posted by indubitable at 4:22 PM on February 5 [46 favorites]


So Bannon owns Breitbart and then a government agency just happens to start paying Breitbart (i.e., Bannon) to display ads? That's pretty goddamn brazen.

Don't be obtuse. It's a Google ad which has rotated onto the site. There's no graft here.
posted by Talez at 4:27 PM on February 5 [5 favorites]




Archelaus you didn't reload it, did you?

Several times, getting the same string of text every time. /shrug
posted by Archelaus at 4:30 PM on February 5


Real-time updates from the White House Briefing Room: @presproject2017
posted by salix at 4:30 PM on February 5


Several times, getting the same string of text every time.

gah! sorry! i just realized you were referring to whytrumpisgreat.com, i was confusing it with isdonaldtrumpanasshole.com
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 4:33 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


Looks like we're missing quite the Superbowl party with the Trumps at Mar-A-Lago.
posted by octothorpe at 4:35 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


holy shit the massive crowd!
I counted eight of them. Eight people came out in Portland to support Trump.

Meanwhile, "well over 1,000 people" attended the Solidarity Against the Ban rally in Iowa City, Iowa today. About 1,000 in Harrisburg, PA.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 4:36 PM on February 5 [14 favorites]


From the Palm Beach story on the Red Cross Event in the comment section:
I'm glad that a photo of the mob outside was presented with those of the event inside. The contrast is obvious, while the "Deplorables" inside were raising money for a worthwhile cause, the 'highly educated' angry mob of liberals outside was running up a bill for extra police services, and is probably the same bunch of bananas who were crying about how much it costs to protect Trump...DOH!!!
Oh man. So now it is the protesters who are costing the state too much money merely by showing up and peacefully protesting. Meanwhile the Aristocrats inside eating caviar off of gold plates while they look at themselves in the mock Hall of Mirrors are the good guys.

So they raised a little under a milllion dollars with this ball but I have to question how much did it cost to put on? I guarantee it cost a fortune just to rent Mar-A-Lago for the evening at least a quarter of a million. Then the over-the-top decorations and the waiters and the food and so on must have cost hundreds of thousands. It would be interesting to see the bottom line here.

So today was the Super Bowl Party and it looks like DJT hired some cheerleaders to cheer him on.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:36 PM on February 5 [5 favorites]


hey, president trump. california here. how about this deal: you stop sending us money and we'll stop sending you money and we'll see who runs out of money first

Brilliant.

I wish I lived in a state that could give this kind of fuck you to Trump.
posted by bluesky43 at 4:40 PM on February 5 [15 favorites]


Mar-a-Lago Superbowl Party: You're doing it wrong.
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 4:44 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


Senate Republicans aim to gut debit-card safeguards

...Consumer advocates decried the resolution as a thinly-veiled giveaway to Netspend, a controversial issuer of prepaid cards. Netspend is one of the main opponents of the CFBP’s proposed prepaid card disclosure requirements and would potentially lose up to $80 million annually in overdraft fees imposed on the largely low-income buyers of its prepaid cards, according to the National Consumer Law Center (NCLC).

“It is outrageous that Congress may block basic fraud protections on prepaid cards so that Netspend can keep gouging struggling families with overdraft fees that have no place on prepaid cards,” said Lauren Saunders, associate director of the National Consumer Law Center (NCLC)

posted by futz at 4:47 PM on February 5 [35 favorites]


Was the Bowling Green Massacre an exercise in further diminishing the trust that people have in news stories, facts, and the media? Or is it just another massive mental misfire?
posted by ZeusHumms at 4:47 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


You're doing it wrong.

Is there ANYTHING Trumpy-related for which that statement does NOT apply?
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:49 PM on February 5 [4 favorites]


A breakdown of which states give and which states take (federal dollars)
posted by OHenryPacey at 4:49 PM on February 5 [11 favorites]


I counted eight of them. Eight people came out in Portland to support Trump.

And every single one of them with mass-produced support gear--not a single one carrying or wearing anything handmade. Unless, of course, you count the gear brought by the counter-counter-protesters protesting the fact that anyone would support Trump.
posted by sciatrix at 4:51 PM on February 5 [4 favorites]


Is there ANYTHING Trumpy-related for which that statement does NOT apply?

I probably should have spelled it your.
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 4:52 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


I do really want California to show our strength against Trump, but I'm starting to feel uneasy about how much we're being held up as a symbol of Everything Wrong With America. I know all I ever talk about is Berkeley, but since last week I've actually been more and more worried that something really bad is going to happen in the near future. The narrative that keeps getting played out is now one about ultra-violent leftists beating people to death. It doesn't matter if it's true, it just matters that people believe it is, and they do. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but we're an open campus, and someone was already shot in Washington. We already had a GOP official (a local official somewhere) suggest that another Kent State would take care of the problem. I'm starting to seriously worry about someone showing to "police" our next protest. It only takes one.
posted by shapes that haunt the dusk at 4:53 PM on February 5 [19 favorites]


Paul Rosenberg, Salon: Bigger than fake news: Trump’s rise was fueled by a deeper narrative of fake history
Trump's lies about crime, Muslims and immigration aren't meant to make sense — only to confirm his followers' fears

...

While Trump lied in many different ways about many different things throughout his campaign, fake history provided the surrounding mythological framework that made his other lies work. It justified them, made them sound plausible and formed the foundation for other lies he built on top of them — especially the notion that he was a unique truth-teller on the side of “real Americans” and that anyone who said anything different was out to get them, especially anyone who challenged Donald Trump.

...

As Trump’s presidency continues, it will be increasingly important to understand how his false narratives fit together and feed off of one another. Focusing on the larger pattern may be the only way to deal with the flood of everyday lies, fake news and false memes that’s bound to confront us for the next four years.
posted by ZeusHumms at 4:54 PM on February 5 [13 favorites]


Seriously, has anyone started FIA-ing Trump administration documents yet? Because believe me, they are going to have like 20X the official communication on non-govt servers, non-official cell phone use, text messaging, etc etc etc etc etc used to conduct official government business as Clinton ever did. And of course they are never planning to release ANY of it but that is where the FIA lawsuit is going to come in.

This is a project that I--and I'll wager, many others--would support with $$$ in a big way.


I have, indeed, started looking into this. The specifics regarding the startup of a non-profit law firm, at least in CA, are surprisingly obscure, and while it could be done via a standard non-profit I'd rather not for various tactical reasons.

For the time being anyone with specific ideas about creatively targeted FOIA requests should feel free to memail me.
posted by snuffleupagus at 4:55 PM on February 5 [6 favorites]


GOP official suggests 'another Kent State' to combat campus protests:
“I’m thinking another Kent State might be the only solution protest stopped after only one death,” Adamini wrote on Facebook Thursday. “They do it because they know there are no consequences yet.”

...

“Violent protesters who shut down free speech? Time for another Kent State perhaps. One bullets stops a lot of thuggery,” Adamini tweeted Thursday.
posted by shapes that haunt the dusk at 4:57 PM on February 5 [33 favorites]


Trump: I will pull federal funding from California.
California:
posted by supercrayon at 4:58 PM on February 5 [16 favorites]


We already had a GOP official (a local official somewhere)

yeah, that state must su... never mind.
*slinks away*
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 4:59 PM on February 5 [5 favorites]


GOP official suggests 'another Kent State' to combat campus protests

Wow.
posted by mudpuppie at 5:01 PM on February 5 [4 favorites]


NYT: After 2 Weeks, Trump’s Bungles Have Aides Rethinking Strategy
WASHINGTON — President Trump loves to set the day’s narrative at dawn, but the deeper story of his White House is best told at night.

Aides confer in the dark because they cannot figure out how to operate the light switches in the cabinet room. Visitors conclude their meetings and then wander around, testing doorknobs until finding one that leads to an exit. In a darkened, mostly empty West Wing, Mr. Trump’s provocative chief strategist, Stephen K. Bannon, finishes another 16-hour day planning new lines of attack.
posted by zachlipton at 5:06 PM on February 5 [48 favorites]


said "GOP Official" is a minor local functionary who also happens to have an AM radio talk show, which says as much about the perverse incentives of trolling the Limbaugh crowd as it does about actual republican policy discussions
posted by murphy slaw at 5:06 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]


Aides confer in the dark because they cannot figure out how to operate the light switches in the cabinet room. Visitors conclude their meetings and then wander around, testing doorknobs until finding one that leads to an exit.

the country is being run by old men who refuse to ask for directions because they think it's emasculating
posted by murphy slaw at 5:09 PM on February 5 [84 favorites]


GOP official suggests 'another Kent State' to combat campus protests:

The next day, before going on, Adamini tweeted "About to go on the air, lots of hate coming from the tolerant left".

Because, you know, urging the government to put a bullet in the brains of a few of us should be tolerated.
posted by Talez at 5:10 PM on February 5 [27 favorites]


If you aren't watching the football game, a TON of the ads so far are aimed directly at pissing of the president.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:11 PM on February 5 [34 favorites]


Can someone put the California thing in context for me? Where/when did he say that and to what?
posted by INFJ at 5:12 PM on February 5


GOP official suggests 'another Kent State' to combat campus protests

well, fuck, that is personally terrifying given that the university I work at

a) is a very visible symbol of Them Liberals in a red state

b) has recently been forcibly made to allow guns on campus carried by any asshole with a concealed carry permit, including residing students, against loud and active protest from students, faculty, and staff

c) is located in a city that is visibly making a target of itself standing up to the state government

d) has already drawn state legislation aimed at starving our funding out as a direct result of students protesting to make the university a sanctuary campus

e) inspired one extremely large protest immediately after the election from UT students alone, and in general has been developing an extremely angry campus student culture

Remember, Kent State happened in Ohio under a Republican governor who hated the student protesters; it's not really that surprising in retrospect that violence went down. Gov. Abbott here is at war with like four state agencies and institutions at once right now as well as the City of Austin, but UT is a prime target for him too--and frankly, I would not be surprised to see him call in the National Guard on us either.

And our students are pissed and have been protesting state governmental actions since #GunFreeUT became a thing, well before the election. GunFreeUT, by the way, inspired at least one fucking OPEN CARRY set of counter-protesters to march on our school before the university administration pointed out that they were not required to host open carry protesters who aren't students or part of the university, and if the open carry loonies showed up anyway they would be marched off by university security. They protested and had their creepy-ass shoot-in right off campus instead.

Basically--I wouldn't necessarily expect Kent State to happen somewhere like Berkeley. I'd bet on it happening somewhere like here, with a hostile state governor with the power to summon the National Guard, and tensions between state government and university student/faculty culture on the ground running very high. (The administration, as far as I can tell, is torn between trying to mediate and going "fuck you and the horse you rode in on," but mostly trying to reduce tensions as much as they can.)
posted by sciatrix at 5:13 PM on February 5 [44 favorites]




zachlipton, that is one of the most depressing articles I have ever read.
posted by mynameisluka at 5:16 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


Can someone put the California thing in context for me? Where/when did he say that and to what?

On the O'Reilly interview a few hours ago.
O’Reilly: Let’s turn to domestic policy. I just spent the week in California. As you know, they are now voting on whether they should become a sanctuary state. So California, and the USA, are on a collision course. How do you see it?

Trump: Well, I think it’s ridiculous. Sanctuary cities, as you know, I’m very much opposed to sanctuary cities. They breed crime, there’s a lot of problems. If we have to, we’ll defund. We give tremendous amounts of money to California — California in many ways is out of control, as you know. Obviously the voters agree, otherwise they wouldn’t have voted for me.
California is in the process of passing legislation stopping any state or local police officer from co-operating with federal immigration authorities without a court order. Of course, when your entire immigration platform is basically keeping out the browns and deporting people, California not playing along kind of fucks you.
posted by Talez at 5:16 PM on February 5 [18 favorites]


Can someone put the California thing in context for me? Where/when did he say that and to what?

INFJ: He said it to Bill O'Reilly today in an interview aired during the Super Bowl pregame. The exact quote is:
“If we have to, we’ll defund," Trump said. "We give tremendous amounts of money to California. California in many ways is out of control, as you know.”
posted by Justinian at 5:17 PM on February 5 [4 favorites]


Looks like this Coke ad was just played at the superbowl and /r/the_donald and other hives of scum/villainy are furious about the "multicultural indoctrination." So many calls to boycott, switch to RC, "fuck that black battery acid bullshit," etc. I look at the ad and it shows different kinds of people living happily together and like just existing while not being white dudes. I remember Coke ads like that from the 80s with way more overt messages of cultural unity. Will they not be satisfied until the demographics of their Coke ads predate the 60s?

I'm starting to think his supporters might be a little reactionary.
posted by Rust Moranis at 5:17 PM on February 5 [115 favorites]


The White House put out

Every time I read "White House," I feel this brief flash of relief: finally, the adults are here to put an end to this mess.

And then I realize that, by White House, I mean Obama.

(Nixon) didn't reach the 40% Trump is already at until after the Saturday Night Massacre.

The Saturday Night Massacre last week, you mean?
posted by steady-state strawberry at 5:19 PM on February 5 [8 favorites]


Omg, will RC Cola be the new winner of 2017?! Somewhere at a dusty desk an RC Cola employee looks on hopefully. "At least some good will come out of this shit show." they think to themselves, while sipping their instant coffee. Overhead, the broken fan slowly spins.
posted by supercrayon at 5:19 PM on February 5 [65 favorites]


The next time there's a disaster and the American Red Cross is asking for money on TV

if anyone is still somehow undecided wrt the red cross you should go ahead and read propublica's series on them
posted by poffin boffin at 5:20 PM on February 5 [17 favorites]


"fuck that black battery acid bullshit,"

It's MALTED battery acid you fricken' heathens.

Jebus Chribus, kids today.... smh....
posted by Gyre,Gimble,Wabe, Esq. at 5:21 PM on February 5 [4 favorites]


I wouldn't necessarily expect Kent State to happen somewhere like Berkeley.

I do agree with your points, sciatrix. The Bay Area (and certainly greater California) does have its share of right-wing kooks, but it doesn't sound like there's the kind of tension you have at UT. That said, California is a deep red state outside the cities, and if a guy was willing to drive from North Carolina to DC to "investigate" Comet Ping Pong, it's also not too hard for me to imagine someone driving up from a place like Simi Valley. It's not necessarily likely, but like I said, all it takes is one person. It's just enough to make protesting here feel a lot less safe.
posted by shapes that haunt the dusk at 5:23 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


Will they not be satisfied until the demographics of their Coke ads predate the 60s?

Better call Don Draper.
posted by nubs at 5:26 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


Btw, there's a ton of other batshit stuff in that NYT story I posted, like Trump getting a new tv dining room to watch cable news and the only family photo behind his desk being of his father. It's all a pretty disturbing article that goes well beyond people not knowing how to work the light switches. I only regret I couldn't pullquote all the crazy.
posted by zachlipton at 5:27 PM on February 5 [32 favorites]


To elaborate on my link above, from this bit "It’s about confronting evil, violence, trauma, and death." I feel like the new divide in America isn't traditional right/left. It's between those of us who look at the world and say, "I see this. It sucks. What can I do to help?" and those who say, "I don't see this. Everything is fine. How can I help myself?"
posted by supercrayon at 5:27 PM on February 5 [28 favorites]


Metafilter: I couldn't pullquote all the crazy.
posted by mochapickle at 5:28 PM on February 5 [20 favorites]


For the time being anyone with specific ideas about creatively targeted FOIA requests should feel free to memail me.

Not sure how much it'll help, but this is a fun talk:

Hacking the FBI - How & Why to Liberate Government Records.
posted by Coventry at 5:28 PM on February 5 [5 favorites]


Isn't the coke ad from last year's super bowl?
posted by obliquity of the ecliptic at 5:29 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


I didn't watch the screened ad but people were saying that it was the same one that aired at the Olympics, then linked to that youtube video.
posted by Rust Moranis at 5:32 PM on February 5


California is a deep red state outside the cities

Kinda. The numbers we're talking about are miniscule. Sure, Lassen County is deep red. Trump won it by a landslide: 72-21%. His margin? 5000 votes. NOBODY LIVES THERE.

His best county by a good margin was Kern County. He won it 54-40. His margin there was 120k-86k.

He won 25 counties in Calfornia. Two of them were by more than 12k votes (Kern and Shasta). Two were between 10k and 12k. Fully 21 of those 25 were by single digit thousands or even hundreds of votes. In a state Clinton carried by almost 3.5million.

So, yeah, there are pockets of red in California. And nobody lives there. It's essentially meaningless. California is not a split state; it's solid blue. Empty farmland does not get a vote.
posted by Justinian at 5:34 PM on February 5 [75 favorites]


Isn't the coke ad from last year's super bowl?

Even if it is, the context has changed completely.
posted by mudpuppie at 5:36 PM on February 5 [6 favorites]


In two years I expect Trump to be wallowing on the ground, sweaty, naked, and bloated, in the darkness and his own filth a la Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now.
posted by Justinian at 5:38 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]


So apparently the Lady Gaga halftime failed to be epic in its outrageousness.

Also had hundreds of drones (for real)

This is merely for the historical records.
posted by Yowser at 5:38 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


He's like a wandering dementia patient.
posted by leotrotsky at 5:39 PM on February 5 [4 favorites]


nyt linked above by zachliptopn. and a crazy article it is. wow.
posted by futz at 5:39 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


I feel like the new divide in America

The world.

Admittedly there's a lot that haven't joined the dots and realised that whilst they gawped unbelievably at the tyre-fire the US is becoming those tyres are going to explode (as tyres do if you feckin surrender and don't recycle them into loverly flower baskets) and set fire to feckin' everything.

I can't even remember what I was talking about.

Were the drones made out of meat?
posted by Buntix at 5:39 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


if Trump people start really getting upset that we're better at protesting than they are.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious


We gotta start somewhere. I'll take it.
posted by yoga at 5:40 PM on February 5 [4 favorites]


Two years? At this rate, more like two months.
posted by leotrotsky at 5:40 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


Or maybe Trump will go full Howard Hughes and start wearing tissue boxes on his feet. That would also not be unexpected.
posted by Justinian at 5:40 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]


I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but it's important. The Lesson of the Munich Post, the newspaper which stood up to Hitler to the very end.
[After the election] I remembered the Munich Post, defending Weimar Germany. I reflected on how fragile democratic institutions could be in the face of organized hatred. Hitler had been tricky about his plans until he got the position and the power to enact them. Trump had been tricky, neither accepting nor rejecting the endorsement of KKK leader David Duke. David Duke! The KKK! In this century! He claimed he didn’t know who he was. He couldn’t be disqualified because of someone he didn’t know. That’s where we all went wrong, thinking he was stupid and outrageous, not canny and savvy and able to play the media like Paganini. The election demonstrated the weakness of a weak democracy, where basic liberties could be abolished by demagoguery and voter suppression.
posted by jokeefe at 5:40 PM on February 5 [22 favorites]


Two years? At this rate, more like two months.

weeks?
posted by murphy slaw at 5:43 PM on February 5


> As a California I have this to say: Fuck you, you ridiculous clown. Try it and see what happens when you pick a fight with the most liberal state in the nation which also happens to be the 6th largest economy in the world. We are not afraid of pissant little wannabe dictators.

Eh eh eh. Wait in line, California, we've got dibs on this bad hombre. --Chicago


Just so long as we get to take a crack at the fucker last. With us it's personal.

-- New York muthafukkin' CITY, yo
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 5:43 PM on February 5 [39 favorites]


Gosh, sorry about re-link. I did actually ctrl+f that and missed it. :/

Superbowl + MeFi = maybe time to take a break.
posted by slipthought at 5:44 PM on February 5


that times article makes trump sound like the loneliest man in the world.

good.
posted by murphy slaw at 5:44 PM on February 5 [27 favorites]


So, yeah, there are pockets of red in California. And nobody lives there. It's essentially meaningless. California is not a split state; it's solid blue. Empty farmland does not get a vote.

Meaningless in direct national politics. Not meaningless in State politics, which can sometimes exert an external effect.
posted by snuffleupagus at 5:45 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


Empty farmland does not get a vote

Well, not in states that also have cities. Farmland in Idaho and Wyoming gets 2 Senators just like all of NYC or LA.

Also what I took from that NYT article is: Bannon and Paul Ryan have patched up and are plotting their cat food and granny starving stragety together now. Fantastic.
posted by T.D. Strange at 5:46 PM on February 5 [14 favorites]


From the NYT: He often has to wait until the end of the workday before grinding through news clips with Mr. Spicer, marking the ones he does not like with a big arrow in black Sharpie — though he almost always makes time to monitor Mr. Spicer’s performance at the daily briefings, summoning him to offer praise or criticism, a West Wing aide said

lol.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:47 PM on February 5 [18 favorites]


It also claims he went through 17 drape samples, but was furious he wasn't fully briefed on the NSC executive order he signed.
posted by zachlipton at 5:50 PM on February 5 [45 favorites]


Meaningless in direct national politics. Not meaningless in State politics, which can sometimes exert an external effect.

True; but Dems have supermajorities (60%+) in both Houses. So not meaningless in state politics but still relegated to relative powerlessness. And both have been Democratically controlled since 1970. (Well, ok, there was exactly one year where the Assembly briefly flipped before immediately coming to its senses).
posted by Justinian at 5:50 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


Spicey is a pesky little varmint, but man, I do not envy him that job one bit. What the hell was he thinking? (I know, dreams of power and influence, yata yata. )
posted by FelliniBlank at 5:51 PM on February 5


I just gave up Diet Coke dammit (I realized: that shit makes me hungrier. Thankfully iced tea doesn't).

I liked the car ad about your daughter being worth as much as your son/equal pay! That will upset the haters also.
posted by emjaybee at 5:52 PM on February 5 [8 favorites]


From the NYT "cant find the light switches article: Trump isn't even aware of thedetails in EOs he is signing!

-From now on, Mr. Trump would be looped in on the drafting of executive orders much earlier in the process.

-Another change will be a new set of checks on the previously unfettered power enjoyed by Mr. Bannon and the White House policy director, Stephen Miller,

-But for the moment, Mr. Bannon remains the president’s dominant adviser, despite Mr. Trump’s anger that he was not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed giving his chief strategist a seat on the National Security Council,

posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 5:52 PM on February 5 [10 favorites]


So, yeah, there are pockets of red in California. And nobody lives there. It's essentially meaningless. California is not a split state; it's solid blue. Empty farmland does not get a vote.

That's a totally different argument, though. I'm not talking about votes, I'm talking about people showing up to do harm at the next UC Berkeley protest because of the fervent belief that UC Berkeley students were so opposed to free speech that they cheered while masked thugs beat someone to death. And that's all over Reddit. It's terrifying because it gives people a way to completely dehumanize protesters to the point that "a bullet will stop thugs" is an acceptable statement.

My fear isn't that deep red California is going to carry some kind of weight against UC Berkeley at the ballot box over this, my fear is that there's hate brewing on the far right, and that, proportionally small or not, there's a lot of the far right relatively close at hand. Like I said: it just takes one person to show up as a "free speech protector" to do a lot of damage. Going from that to "trust me, California is a solidly blue state as far as voting districts go" completely misses the point of why I'm increasingly worried for my safety and the safety of my campus community.
posted by shapes that haunt the dusk at 5:54 PM on February 5 [23 favorites]


it's sort of a masterpiece of that NYT house style that makes a politician look like a buffoon by blandly reciting things that they did
posted by murphy slaw at 5:56 PM on February 5 [61 favorites]


Reagan's incoming Chief of Staff considered Amendment 25 because he seemed "inattentive, inept, and lazy". Just saying.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 5:56 PM on February 5 [8 favorites]


Fair enough. In the sense that "all it takes is one" there are definitely kooky reactionaries in California. Just turn on the radio when you're driving up the 5 in the Central Valley and you'll learn that right quick.
posted by Justinian at 5:57 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


via Bloomberg reporter: It's 28-3 in the third quarter and the president has left his Super Bowl party
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:59 PM on February 5 [8 favorites]


trust me, red california is all bark and no bite. they would secretly hate to be in charge because they love being miserable and complaining more than anything in the world
posted by entropicamericana at 6:01 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


Did donnie just back another loser? Sad!
posted by futz at 6:02 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


They changed the NYT headline to "Trump and Staff Rethink Tactics After Stumbles" (from "After 2 Weeks, Trump’s Bungles Have Aides Rethinking Strategy")
posted by slipthought at 6:03 PM on February 5 [4 favorites]


I liked the car ad about your daughter being worth as much as your son/equal pay! That will upset the haters also.

That ad is already posted on Youtube, and some early haters made a point of coordinating a targeted attack to give it "thumbs-down" votes and to pre-load the comments with MRA bullshit.

Let's counteract that a bit, shall we?
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:04 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]


GOP official: “I’m thinking another Kent State might be the only solution protest stopped after only one death"

Only one? Apparently not a fan of Cosby, Stills, Nash and Young (youtube).
posted by JackFlash at 6:07 PM on February 5 [8 favorites]


trust me, red california is all bark and no bite.

And perhaps more importantly, the Dems have a supermajority in both the Assembly and Senate. May not affect presidential elections, but it protects us from a lot of stupid WH/Congressional shit.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:07 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


it gives people a way to completely dehumanize protesters to the point that "a bullet will stop thugs" is an acceptable statement.

The Parp!-nose-bloc have always been more effective than the black bloc (and also act as moderators / peace-keepers). Sure there must be a car* of them out there. Might be worth joining/getting them in.

* collective noun for the clown.
posted by Buntix at 6:09 PM on February 5


So today was the Super Bowl Party and it looks like DJT hired some cheerleaders to cheer him on.

And a freaking marching band!
posted by mudpuppie at 6:12 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


trust me, red california is all bark and no bite.
the Dems have a supermajority in both the Assembly and Senate

Yeah, the harm is really limited to what they can do to the vulnerable people in their own communities through their own local governments. Which should not be dismissed. There are some additional spillover effects, and the CA Supreme Court still has some conservative leaning justices, although that's been changing too. (The SCOTUS's loss was CA's gain in Justice Liu.)
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:12 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


Aides confer in the dark because they cannot figure out how to operate the light switches in the cabinet room. Visitors conclude their meetings and then wander around, testing doorknobs until finding one that leads to an exit. In a darkened, mostly empty West Wing, Mr. Trump’s provocative chief strategist, Stephen K. Bannon, finishes another 16-hour day planning new lines of attack.

I've been wondering how many people there are actually working in this administration. So far as I know, it is still drastically un-staffed. I'm imagining Jack Nicholson with the tennis ball at the Overlook.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:13 PM on February 5 [49 favorites]


What kind of a "savvy businessman" does not know what's in a document he is signing?! Unbelievable at the local used-car-salesman level. Criminal at the presidential level.
"....despite Mr. Trump’s anger that he was not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed giving his chief strategist a seat on the National Security Council...." --NYT article linked above.
posted by thebrokedown at 6:14 PM on February 5 [36 favorites]


Yeah, the harm is really limited to what they can do to the vulnerable people in their own communities through their own local governments. Which should not be dismissed.

And through extra-governmental (read: mob) action.

This shit is not new to this country, and it's making a comeback.
posted by tivalasvegas at 6:14 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


How long until the "but look how much money I'm saving the taxpayers by not having staff!" speech?
posted by jferg at 6:16 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


I'm a Pats fan and, as painful as this game is, my heart soars at the certainty that Trump is pitching a fucking fit right now. Fuck you and your friends, bud. May they never win another super bowl and certainly not while you're in office.
posted by lydhre at 6:16 PM on February 5 [13 favorites]


Gosh, sorry about re-link. I did actually ctrl+f that and missed it. :/

For those that aren't aware, the URL remains the same even after they change the headline. A good way to search mefi to see if a link has been posted is to type the url into the search bar. Even that isn't foolproof because dozens of other outlets pick up the same story. no worries.
posted by futz at 6:17 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


Have you ever driven through Deep Red California as a brown person? My mother was sufficiently alarmed as to hiss "don't get out of the car!" when we were lost once.

Anyway I'm trying to settle on how best to communicate to my California reps to please convey "COME AT ME BRO!!!" to Trump et al.
posted by yasaman at 6:17 PM on February 5 [8 favorites]


Stephen K. Bannon, finishes another 16-hour day planning new lines of attack.

{Barrens}[UberSturmBannon]: LF CC & HEELZ - FULL ON DPS -- NO ELVES OR DRUIDS -- PST

posted by snuffleupagus at 6:17 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]


Didn't Grover Norquist say, "Make government so small that you can't figure out how to work the bathtub"?
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:20 PM on February 5 [29 favorites]


/ooc LF SoW & KEI PST!

Old school 4LYFE, yo
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 6:21 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


Super crayon
Thank for linking that article, I've sent it out to a bunch of friends.
posted by SyraCarol at 6:21 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


I had a look at some of the photos from the Versailles-themed charity ball and I now have Do You Hear The People Sing running through my head.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:26 PM on February 5 [17 favorites]


I do really want California to show our strength against Trump, but I'm starting to feel uneasy about how much we're being held up as a symbol of Everything Wrong With America.

And that is one of my super triggery fear things about what I'm afraid he's going to do right there. While I am all "yay California fight back...."
posted by jenfullmoon at 6:34 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


The thing about scapegoats is you actually have to be stronger than the scapegoat.
posted by Justinian at 6:36 PM on February 5 [10 favorites]


Trump will give up once he's informed he can't "call out the National Guard on California" in its entirety.
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:40 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


John McCain has emerged as a leading Republican dissenter

Talk about damning with faint praise. You go, John. Hold aloft the proud standard of Never-Trump as you shamble around looking quietly concerned. Stand tall in your occasional softly-whimpered complaints and sporadic sulky grumbles. Make sure to keep an eye on that dead potato bug: it's charismatic to challenge you for leadership.
posted by Rust Moranis at 6:40 PM on February 5 [39 favorites]


You know what, if Obama can't pick a judge because it's the final year of his Presidency, then Trump shouldn't pick a judge because he doesn't believe in the whole concept of judges.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:42 PM on February 5 [90 favorites]


Rust Moranis, dude, I don't care how quietly John McCain speaks so much as I care about how he votes.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:43 PM on February 5 [8 favorites]


Hey hey hey -- so I'm watching the Sleeping Giants feed (because obsessed) and someone tweeted a screenshot of a UC Davis ad on Breitbart. AKA my employer. Which has apparently been up for at least 5 weeks.

The original tweet was directed at the general @ucdavis account and didn't get a response. But, I have a working relationship with one of the media relations people on campus. I sent the info to her and got the response: "Thanks for your message. We have not paid for any ads on this site. My team is looking into it."

I said it in a previous comment, and I'll say it again here: We all have power. Find yours. It may be a small but effective thing that makes a difference.
posted by mudpuppie at 6:45 PM on February 5 [57 favorites]


dude, I don't care how quietly John McCain speaks so much as I care about how he votes.

I guess. If his votes end up saving the republic I will in hindsight call him a hero but so far he's really not putting in the leg work to, you know, be the voice of opposition to the Mad King in the political party that controls every level of power.
posted by Rust Moranis at 6:48 PM on February 5 [7 favorites]


Rust Moranis, dude, I don't care how quietly John McCain speaks so much as I care about how he votes.

100 percent with Trump so far.
posted by Etrigan at 6:49 PM on February 5 [39 favorites]


How do they keep talking about McCain being the opposition when he has voted in favor of every single one of Trump's cabinet picks? WTF?
posted by maggiemaggie at 6:50 PM on February 5 [22 favorites]


SHAME
SHAME
SHAME

Watch a crowd of pissed off constituents literally chase CA. Rep. Tom McClintock (R, Dist.4) out of his town hall meeting and down the street.
posted by snuffleupagus at 6:55 PM on February 5 [47 favorites]


Omg, will RC Cola be the new winner of 2017?!

CHEERWINE IS THE ALPHA
CHEERWINE IS THE OMEGA
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 6:55 PM on February 5 [11 favorites]


McCain really does win some sort of Person Most Likely to Convince the Media He's a Man of Principle While Acting Like a Pathetic Venal Coward award.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 6:56 PM on February 5 [77 favorites]


Rubio gets an Honorable Mention.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:58 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]


Would somebody who knows about protocol explain something to me? In the red carpet photos of the Red Cross Ball, all of the women without partners are being accompanied by marines in dress uniform. Is this some kind of standard that unescorted women aren't allowed in the presence of the president or is this just some kind of Trump thing that he doesn't want to see women on the loose? Or is it a third kind of thing all together and just something they do for this ball? Oh, and who is paying for these high society military maven walkers? I assume that the average marine can't just pull his shiny uniform out of the closet and freelance a gig as professional arm candy.

And since I'm asking, did anybody manage to sneak any pictures out from inside the event depicting the staff and the decorations?
posted by sardonyx at 6:58 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


@billmaher This is looking like Hillary all over again. (Patriots just tied the game.)
posted by tonycpsu at 7:06 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]


@natesilver: at least the falcons won the popular vote.

oh god its happening
posted by Justinian at 7:08 PM on February 5 [24 favorites]


Donald Trump and US congress scrap rule that forced people not to dump coal mining debris into drinking water

The decision came alongside the scrapping of another rule that enforced extended background checks for gun purchases by some Social Security recipients with mental disabilities.

Donald Trump supports both measures and will sign both of them, the White House said.

posted by futz at 7:09 PM on February 5 [5 favorites]


And since I'm asking, did anybody manage to sneak any pictures out from inside the event depicting the staff and the decorations?

One pic
two pic
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:09 PM on February 5 [5 favorites]


You guys, I am reluctant to give in to optimism, like, ever again, but I am feeling a tiny bit of optimism tonight because of these Super Bowl ads. All of these companies are totally comfortable siding with the portion of American society that thinks he sucks and his ideas suck and his vision of our country sucks. I find that really encouraging.
posted by gerstle at 7:11 PM on February 5 [40 favorites]


More on the McClintock town hall:
He said in an interview that he was advised by police that the situation outside was "deteriorating," as quoted by the Los Angeles Times, and said the Roseville Police Department decided to provide the police escort.

McClintock said he believed an "anarchist element" among protest organizers came to "disrupt" the town hall.

"It's the first time I've ever had an police department have to extract me from a town hall, and I've done well over 100 of them in Congress," he said.
Might as well add, "I pooped my pants!" Look at his SUV speed off down a side street in that video posted to Twitter! None of those people were violent, let alone armed like the Tea Party lunatics you see at Republican events running around with rifles. Just loud and pissed off. What a dolt.
posted by indubitable at 7:12 PM on February 5 [17 favorites]


Bernie would have won this game
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:20 PM on February 5 [53 favorites]


god, those pictures

i can't tell if they're completely blind to the optics of this event or they're just openly mocking us now
posted by murphy slaw at 7:21 PM on February 5 [15 favorites]


Those pictures remind me way too much of The Capital in The Hunger Games.
posted by gatorae at 7:24 PM on February 5 [46 favorites]


Darkest timeline.
posted by tonycpsu at 7:25 PM on February 5 [13 favorites]


If you live in Pennsylvania, there's a rumor Toomey is wavering on DeVos. If he votes no, she won't be confirmed. Please call/voicemail/fax him, PA people!
posted by bluecore at 7:28 PM on February 5 [14 favorites]


i can't tell if they're completely blind to the optics of this event or they're just openly mocking us now

Qu'ils mangent de la brioche vs. l'etat c'est moi?
posted by aspersioncast at 7:30 PM on February 5 [10 favorites]


I don't see the upside for Toomey. Is he afraid of a Democratic surge in the midterm? It's obviously not some sort of principled stand.
posted by Justinian at 7:33 PM on February 5


Toomey's the one rubbing elbows with big money-- maybe they're telling him there's only so much money to go around in this political climate.
posted by lineofsight at 7:36 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


I'll be calling Toomey tomorrow (not that I'll get through) but there's no way I believe he's actually wavering. He's the coward who waited until 6:45 on election night to announce he supported Trump. He's just trying to make it look like he's wavering so he can get credit for taking the nomination seriously and maybe fool some moderates into thinking he isn't totally in the tank for Big Voucher.
posted by tonycpsu at 7:38 PM on February 5 [10 favorites]




Toomey learning from the best at how to play Democrats and never actually deliver. He's the new McCain.
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:40 PM on February 5 [5 favorites]


Interestingly, no one has even hinted that it might be effective to ask McCain to vote against DeVos.
posted by maggiemaggie at 7:45 PM on February 5 [12 favorites]


Bernie would have won this game

Russian hackers gave the Falcons' playbook to Wikileaks to leak and don't forget about all the billions in free media that the networks gave Brady.
posted by Talez at 7:47 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


Noteworthy column, #Trump Resistance Plan on BillMoyers.com, from legal blogger Stephen J Harper.
posted by ZeusHumms at 7:49 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


Oh and in the fourth quarter Comey told Congress he was looking into the Collins call in the NFC championship game and its non-review by the refs on the field.
posted by Talez at 7:52 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


Tonycpsu - try calling first thing in the morning. His offices open at 8:30 and that was the only time I was able to get through this past week [called about a dozen times].
posted by nolnacs at 7:53 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


To be fair, Clinton could have beat Trump one on one at football.
posted by Joey Michaels at 7:54 PM on February 5 [7 favorites]


I don't understand American football. Was that a comeback or a choke?
posted by MattWPBS at 7:57 PM on February 5


Rigged.
posted by notyou at 7:58 PM on February 5 [5 favorites]


Why didn't the Falcons campaign in Wisconsin?
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:59 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]


I don't understand American football. Was that a comeback or a choke?

Depends whose fan you are. Realistically, the choking permitted the comeback.
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:59 PM on February 5 [4 favorites]


Was that a comeback or a choke?

Little bit of both.
posted by dirigibleman at 7:59 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


North Carolina's Thom Tillis's office says he's undecided on DeVos and he wants to hear from people. (202) 224-6342
posted by argonauta at 8:01 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]


MattWPBS: “I don't understand American football. Was that a comeback or a choke?”
The Falcons Falcons-ed it up. Premature jocularity, as per usual. I guess you'd call that a choke in the true Steve Bartkowski tradition.

Not that I'm bitter.
posted by ob1quixote at 8:04 PM on February 5


That NYT stumbling and bungling article made my admin/business process organizing bones go on into full on twitch mode. It gave me the urge to run on down there, storm in and be all 'FFS sake dudes. Let me organize this mundane process shit for you. Like wtf is wrong with y'all, you bunch of useless twits.'

Once that passed I realized I felt better after reading it because although filled with horrible and disturbing things if they are truly this bad at mundane process organizing and truly have so few people working on the bulk of their 'plans' then it's better for the world.
posted by Jalliah at 8:06 PM on February 5 [17 favorites]


CHEERWINE IS THE ALPHA
CHEERWINE IS THE OMEGA


I always knew I liked you, dude, and your correct opinions about soda only make me like you more

in unrelated news, I can only get the cane sugar cheerwine here at $1.59/individual bottle and I miss it so much even though I probably shouldn't be drinking that much caffeine anyway

posted by sciatrix at 8:09 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


That was a typical American football thing in the sense you never see in soccer. Not typical in being the biggest deficit to victory or the first overtime, but typical in that big upsets are built into the game. I was nominally rooting for Atlanta, but not too hard because of New Orleans' longtime rivalry. But as Bill Maher pointed out the Patriots' owner, head coach, and QB Tom Brady are all deep Trumpistas. So as much as we hate Atlanta here I was kind of happy when they entered halftime 21-3. But in the end it's American football. Fuck anyone who thinks they know how it goes.
posted by Bringer Tom at 8:11 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


So somehow a sportsball contest is being tweeted about as a revitalization of a Trumpian mandate that never existed.

I do cherish these poignant reminders that many of my fellow citizens are basically Biff from Back to the Future, and that is why president Biff makes sense to them.
posted by aspersioncast at 8:12 PM on February 5 [11 favorites]


I don't quite know what to do with this....

Vladimir Putin stole Kraft's superbowl ring
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 8:14 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


Maybe the whole Trump election thing is an elaborate plot to get that ring back.
posted by Joey Michaels at 8:16 PM on February 5 [4 favorites]


Putin probably thinks he can get another one now.
posted by zachlipton at 8:17 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


Cheerwine has caffeine? Oh, that explains so much about my time in Tennessee.
posted by Etrigan at 8:17 PM on February 5 [10 favorites]


I do cherish these poignant reminders that many of my fellow citizens are basically Biff from Back to the Future, and that is why president Biff makes sense to them.

You do realize that the filmmakers knew Biff was part of our national character when they made the first movie, right? And that the whole arc in the second movie is basically a precognitive exposition of what is happening now? In particular, Biff was based on Donald Trump and the whole problem in the second movie was that Biff got the "inheritance" of the future sports book without earning it.
posted by Bringer Tom at 8:17 PM on February 5 [24 favorites]


Is this the super bowl thread now?
posted by futz at 8:19 PM on February 5 [8 favorites]


I've been thinking a bit about the comment I made here a year ago, about a Trump presidency lending credence to the idea we're living in a simulation.

So now we have Trump, and an uptick in asteroid near-misses. It's been a while since I played SimCity, so what's next? Giant lizard? UFO attack?
posted by um at 8:21 PM on February 5 [5 favorites]


Growing up, I got really exceptionally good at ignoring the fact that my favorite soccer team - AC Milan - was owned by Berlusconi.

And then I moved to the US and loved the Pats and Trump fucking ruins it. Goddamnit.
posted by lydhre at 8:24 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


There, now. There are plenty of reasons to dislike the Pats.
posted by mochapickle at 8:27 PM on February 5 [16 favorites]


Oh, Wow, Turns Out Donald Trump Can’t Shake Hands, Even at All!

Oh god I love this. Multiple WTF clips of him fucking up a goddamn handshake. So Fucking Weird.
posted by futz at 8:28 PM on February 5 [45 favorites]


You do realize that the filmmakers knew Biff was part of our national character when they made the first movie, right?

Indeed, channeling one of these very threads ever so many weeks(?) ago, hence "reminder." Might have even been yourself who brought it up?

Having disassembled the Ikea furniture of reality, McMuffin-besotted void crabs, all named "Steve," turn three times and spit into the crushing Wrath of Whatever from High atop the Thing this season's writers have crammed into Tehhund's #NextPost.

am I doing it right? So . . . very tired.
posted by aspersioncast at 8:30 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]


I do cherish these poignant reminders that many of my fellow citizens are basically Biff from Back to the Future, and that is why president Biff makes sense to them.

Even as the ads -- very carefully focus-grouped for a somewhat broader audience than a typical NFL "BUY TRUCK! TRUCK GOOD!" Sunday -- implied that corporate America is hedging its bets for now. Keep an eye on those moments where the marketing message and the political activity take different forks.

Is this the super bowl thread now?

'Tis the season for Televised National Events that can be taken as commentary on or metaphors for The Current Situation. Grammys next weekend, Oscars a fortnight after. And in the White House, Mike Teavee watching (ugh) in his bathrobe.
posted by holgate at 8:30 PM on February 5 [4 favorites]


It's like he is trying to steal the other person's hand in an odd power play attempt. I'd punch someone if they did that to me. *boggles*
posted by futz at 8:30 PM on February 5 [10 favorites]


Is this the super bowl thread now?

In Lord Dampnut's America, all bowls are Super!
posted by aspersioncast at 8:31 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


God that NYT article is a proof of Trump's Razor. How could Trump make Bannon a member of the permanent NSC and demote the others? Well, what's the stupidest possible explanation? He didn't even read the EO before signing
posted by gatorae at 8:31 PM on February 5 [88 favorites]


Hey did you ever want to see our Mad King turn a handshake with future Supreme Court Justice Gorsuch into a gross dominance display? Ever want to see the distress dawn on Gorsuch's face as he tries to pull his arm away from the monster's clutches and finds himself at the center of a public spectacle of cruelty?

I didn't want to see it either but you're gonna.

edit: oh futz you beat me to it!
posted by Rust Moranis at 8:32 PM on February 5 [13 favorites]


It's been a while since I played SimCity, so what's next? Giant lizard? UFO attack?

Mar-a-Lago Sharknado.
posted by holgate at 8:33 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


"Even as the ads -- very carefully focus-grouped for a somewhat broader audience than a typical NFL "BUY TRUCK! TRUCK GOOD!" Sunday -- implied that corporate America is hedging its bets for now."

Dude, you must not watch a lot of NFL games, there's tampon ads now. And seriously 25% of the commercials are sensitive dads choosing diapers and rocking babies to sleep.

The NFL has many, many bad points, but it is BY FAR the American pro sports league that has done the most to reach out to women. And children. And families. They're super conscious of that branding as a family brand. I mean there's a shit-ton of "TRUCK GOOD!" ads, but there's also a lot of Prius ads and Leaf ads and women with tampons driving trucks ads.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 8:33 PM on February 5 [16 favorites]


Guessing most of MeFi already listens to This American Life, but a heads up for the new episode that just dropped, 609: It's Working Out Very Nicely , is all about the Muslim ban rollout, and has some very good interviews. Got me nice and angry again.

I wish parts of this could have aired before the election, like the interviews with the people who actually actually did our pre-Trump refugee vetting, and the fact that it was already an extreme 2 year process.
posted by p3t3 at 8:35 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]


Gee, ya ever wonder why cheetofuck was never an NFL owner? Besides the obvious lack of real assets, he'd fit right in with the various shitbags who largely make up their cozy little club. May I direct you to the sad demise of the USFL:
In 1985, the USFL voted to move from a spring to a fall schedule in 1986 to compete directly with the NFL. This was done at the urging of New Jersey Generals majority owner Donald Trump and a handful of other owners as a way to force a merger between the leagues. As part of this strategy, the USFL filed an anti-trust lawsuit against the National Football League in 1986, and a jury ruled that the NFL had violated anti-monopoly laws. However, in a victory in name only, the USFL was awarded a judgment of just $1, which under anti-trust laws, was tripled to $3. This court decision effectively ended the USFL. The league never played the 1986 season, and by the time it folded, it had lost over US$163 million.
Which is how the world outside of the Five Boroughs seems to have first become aware of this self-aggrandizing carbuncle.

Come to think of it - there were eight teams left when the league went belly-up and sued the NFL. Wonder if Dampnut ever collected his 38 cents from the damages awarded?
posted by hangashore at 8:36 PM on February 5 [15 favorites]


So now we have Trump, and an uptick in asteroid near-misses. It's been a while since I played SimCity, so what's next? Giant lizard? UFO attack?

Supervolcano!
posted by entropicamericana at 8:37 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


God that NYT article is a proof of Trump's Razor. How could Trump make Bannon a member of the permanent NSC and demote the others? Well, what's the stupidest possible explanation? He didn't even read the EO before signing

Assuming the report is accurate, I would say it is a remarkably ballsy move to just draft a document that says you're going to be put in one of the most powerful committees and not mention that. So much so (and especially given that Trump then took a lot of flak), that I wonder if Bannon has rather overplayed his hand by making his boss look like an idiot twice in a week. Once with the signing, and once with the leak that Trump didn't know.

This also arguably happened once/twice/many times with the Muslim travel ban, but it doesn't have quite the same air of treating the boss with contempt as the equivalent of secretly drafting yourself a new title and paycheck.
posted by jaduncan at 8:38 PM on February 5 [19 favorites]


so what's next? Giant lizard? UFO attack?

Hopefully Bruce Lee.
posted by juiceCake at 8:39 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


Dude, you must not watch a lot of NFL games, there's tampon ads now.

Point taken; your media market may vary. (It's very truck-y here on a Sunday afternoon for the regional games, less so for Sunday night.)
posted by holgate at 8:40 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


Hey did you ever want to see our Mad King turn a handshake with future Supreme Court Justice Gorsuch into a gross dominance display? Ever want to see the distress dawn on Gorsuch's face as he tries to pull his arm away from the monster's clutches and finds himself at the center of a public spectacle of cruelty?

I didn't want to see it either but you're gonna.


That little moment gave me some hope. Sure Gorsuch is gonna be there to vote for a redo of Roe v Wade, so fuck that guy in general, but holy shit is he, once he flexes his life-time appointment independence muscles, not gonna put up with Trumpian bullshit after that handshake.

One handshake like that and I'd never be able to take someone seriously ever again. There's no way Gorsuch will be there to affirm Trump's more authoritarian moves. I hope. I hope that handshake was a spoiler.

Christ what an asshole.
posted by dis_integration at 8:41 PM on February 5 [11 favorites]


Trump is a simple man. Knowing all we know about him, Bannon's EO on the NSC, the other messes, the Bannon Time cover, the SNL skit, and all the media's references to President Bannon have got to be absolutely enraging Trump.
>:)
posted by gatorae at 8:45 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


Wow only an asshole would shake hands like that!

Unrelated, here's Roger Goodell shaking Tom Brady's hand post-game.

(In the full clip he gave him like 4 yanks.)
posted by SpiffyRob at 8:48 PM on February 5


I really hope there are new Biden/Obama memes implying they eff'd with the light switches and thats why the Trump staff can't figure out how to turn them on.
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 8:51 PM on February 5 [20 favorites]


Speaking of the superbowl, some of the commercials were amazing.

(Lumber 84 commercial, features THE WALL)
posted by Torosaurus at 8:54 PM on February 5 [7 favorites]


"Let them eat brioche."

“It’s just a Styrofoam cake. It’s not for eating. I wasn’t expecting it to be seen on TV.”

I'm afraid that they haven't really caught the true majesty of Versailles.
posted by jaduncan at 8:56 PM on February 5


President Obama installed clappers on all the lights, but Trump's tiny hands don't clap loud enough to register, so the lights stay off.
posted by Ice Cream Socialist at 9:01 PM on February 5 [27 favorites]


wow you guys have different perspectives. I watched that and I loved watching it but Neil Gorsuch is a scumbag who'll take that kind of treatment and smile through it and pass the humiliation on to someone else, if he ever feels it at all. someone like oh anybody who could be affected by his terrible judgments. this guy loved Antonin Scalia. he has demonstrably bad taste in people. He has no problem with men with great and terrible confidence wrapped around a howling void where a character ought to live. if he minded being jerked around that way he'd never have gotten to the position he's in. he's not putting up with it, it's what he's there for.
posted by queenofbithynia at 9:02 PM on February 5 [17 favorites]


in conclusion I hate Neil Gorsuch
posted by queenofbithynia at 9:02 PM on February 5 [39 favorites]


I'm afraid that they haven't really caught the true majesty of Versailles.

Or... have they?
posted by hangashore at 9:03 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


The NFL has many, many bad points, but it is BY FAR the American pro sports league that has done the most to reach out to women. And children. And families. They're super conscious of that branding as a family brand.

This is entirely about expanding market share - even back in the mid 90's the NFL figured they had pretty much saturated the American Male market, and the only way to expand viewership and ticket sales and merchandising (and therefore $$$$$) was to attempt to get more women interested and make football games more "family-friendly." For a long time I had a regular gig where bands would play a little pre-game/after-game party at the stadium with of course beer and food sales but also bouncy games for the kids and face-painting and so on. (Which as far as I know is still happening, just with a different company after the local NFL team changed owners a few years ago.) Plus I worked a couple of "Football 101" events that were specifically and directly marketed at women, trying to teach Football Widows enough about the game so they could sit beside their husbands on the couch on Sundays.

I have seen into this gift horse's mouth my own self, and there's nothing admirable about this reaching out - it's just greed.

The more cynical of us might suspect that their push to women and families is not only for more money but also to delay or reduce any questioning of their business practices and health risks . . . . .
posted by soundguy99 at 9:04 PM on February 5 [25 favorites]


Wow only an asshole would shake hands like that!
Or it's like he has never actually seen a handshake before and is just making it up as he goes along.
posted by bibliowench at 9:04 PM on February 5


No, this is a dominance thing he does intentionally.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 9:06 PM on February 5 [11 favorites]


Isn't the correct counter to the dominance handshake to go literally toe-to-toe with the asshole such that your chin is resting comfortably in his eye socket?
posted by um at 9:10 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]


shaking hands with Trump is the closest a lot of men will ever get to knowing what it's like when you're walking along a sidewalk and a man or group of men walks toward you and at the last minute you stagger rightward onto the grass or into the street so they won't walk right into you. it's amazing. I got to keep these links handy for illustrative purposes in decades to come.

you can even see exactly the same emotions play across their faces, the thought of "well, someone has to lurch forward awkwardly and almost fall down or this won't work, who's it going to be? oh...oh, it's me." every time.
posted by queenofbithynia at 9:10 PM on February 5 [42 favorites]


The decision came alongside the scrapping of another rule that enforced extended background checks for gun purchases by some Social Security recipients with mental disabilities.

Donald Trump supports both measures and will sign both of them, the White House said.
Great, now he'll be armed.
posted by sebastienbailard at 9:11 PM on February 5 [4 favorites]


Or... have they?

No.
posted by jaduncan at 9:11 PM on February 5


Isn't the correct counter to the dominance handshake to go literally toe-to-toe with the asshole such that your chin is resting comfortably in his eye socket?

No, it's step forward with the pull as if being pulled off balance while lifting one knee up and then "Oops sorry bout your nuts"
posted by Jalliah at 9:13 PM on February 5 [19 favorites]


Getting in close before offering your hand so you have the same leverage as Trump does. Like the Apprentice guy in the second example from RobotVoodoo's link
posted by Coventry at 9:15 PM on February 5


(Lumber 84 commercial, features THE WALL)

The company is definitely having its cake and eating it on that one. That's part of what I was thinking about upthread, though the ambivalence in the commercial is interesting by itself. It recognises that border-crossers tap into a long, potent narrative of American immigrant aspiration, but tries to map it to the White House line of a wall with a door. Except the ardent redhats don't want a fucking door.
posted by holgate at 9:17 PM on February 5


The cartoons are already getting NSFL
posted by T.D. Strange at 9:18 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]


" there's nothing admirable about this reaching out - it's just greed."

I mean honestly that's okay; I like Cheerios pandering to me with its interracial couples and HoneyMaid pandering to me with its same-sex couples and LOOK if late capitalism is going to use greed to guide it I'd much rather it be INCLUSIVE GREED than STRAIGHT WHITE MALE TRUCK MAN greed.

I joke a little but I'm also serious a little; I saw what happened when Missouri passed a RFRA and Dow Corning panicked and started running lots of ads about how gay-marriage-friendly they were and how pissed they were at the Missouri State Legislature because it's hard to recruit top-flight engineers to backwards places! Capitalism is itself problematic but if we're going to have capitalism I'd rather it be pandering to inclusive lefties than the sort of conservatives who'd rather set the world on fire than watch a tampon commercial.

If the NFL can use its $10+ billion to say "Women are an important market!" that's much better than the NFL using its $10+ billion to say "women are NOT an important market, truck guys forever."
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:18 PM on February 5 [77 favorites]


I think with McCain - and, for that matter, Ryan and Gorsuch and others - what we're looking at is people who desperately want to back their president, to have Their Guy in Office who will help them push through CASE NIGHTMARE GREEN for the country, but who are basically forced to resist him at times because he can't resist doing stupid shit that hurts their brand and (occasionally) hits them in places where they actually have genuine ideological commitments.

McCain doesn't want to challenge Trump, but he also quite obviously hates this Russian honeymoon from head to tail. Ryan is a free-market corporate shill who is seeing their new minted Republican President fucking around with big US corporations and threatening immigration actions that are potentially very bad for business. Gorsuch, as far as I understand his career, is a very by-the-book conservative who has the usual hate list but also gets antsy around the sort of Chaotic Evil use of executive power of the sort that Trump looks on practicing for as long as he is in the White House. And except for Gorsuch they all have to answer to constituents - ordinary voters and big donors alike - who are increasingly irritated and embarassed at aspects of Trump's behavior.

Don't expect any of these guys to stand up to Trump because they dislike the things about him that liberals or Leftists dislike. They want to be his ally, but he is making it hard and will probably make it harder as time goes on. Trump does not cast off allies lightly, he heaves them away with great force.

There's probably never going to be a Republican "insurgency" of any kind, but sooner or later we're going to see individual or small groups of Republicans who get tired of being poked with a stick and start poking back, and there are some things they're going to get in the way of because they just can't afford not to. That's why you're seeing them grumble and harumph now, because they're still hoping that Trump will make an about-turn and become the rubber-stamping traditional conservative they want him to be.

The Dems strategy of holding on and drawing out the fight over appointments, etc. seems to me to be taking advantage of this to good effect. It doesn't let Ryan and the others get to the substantive legislation they want to push through and gives Trump more and more time and space to embarrass the nation, to throw out executive orders that have to be executive orders because none of the Congressional Republicans want to touch them (immigration bans, The Wall, etc.). Which are more likely to run afoul of the Constitution or other barriers that the Republicans' control of Congress can't overcome.

Both Trump (and Bannon) and the Congressional Republicans wanted this to be a time of rolling triumphs, albeit they had an only partly overlapping list of items they wanted to force through. Instead its as close to a disaster as a Party which essentially controls the federal government from top to bottom can suffer.
posted by AdamCSnider at 9:19 PM on February 5 [30 favorites]


the correct counter to the dominance handshake

Retracting your hand into your sleeve while holding a fake rubber hand and a canister of stage blood so that it looks like he ripped your hand off as you fall to your knees screaming with blood spurting out of the stump
posted by XMLicious at 9:21 PM on February 5 [85 favorites]


(In the full clip he gave him like 4 yanks.)

r/nocontext
posted by futz at 9:28 PM on February 5 [16 favorites]


whatever happened to a good old fashioned head butt?
posted by indubitable at 9:28 PM on February 5 [4 favorites]


His head is already up his butt. Butts.
posted by futz at 9:29 PM on February 5 [9 favorites]


Capitalism is itself problematic but if we're going to have capitalism I'd rather it be pandering to inclusive lefties than the sort of conservatives who'd rather set the world on fire than watch a tampon commercial.

I'm on board with that. The unanswered question is whether it's possible to have big national brands -- especially great-equaliser brands like Coke -- market themselves to urban clusters on inclusivity and tolerance while there's a kind of Cultural Revolution being promulgated from high office. If anywhere can do it, America can.
posted by holgate at 9:30 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


Retracting your hand into your sleeve while holding a fake rubber hand and a canister of stage blood so that it looks like he ripped your hand off as you fall to your knees screaming with blood spurting out of the stump

Just wear one of those little palm buzzers. Fun for everyone involved as you shake His hand!*

* fun is not guaranteed. Do not taunt Happy Fun President or HFP's security detail.
posted by jaduncan at 9:30 PM on February 5


Capitalism is itself problematic but if we're going to have capitalism I'd rather it be pandering to inclusive lefties than the sort of conservatives who'd rather set the world on fire than watch a tampon commercial.

And that is in fact exactly the sort of wisdom that justifies your power.

Seriously, Eyebrows, I would love for you to run for office.
posted by aspersioncast at 9:33 PM on February 5 [8 favorites]


CHEERWINE

for AGES i thought this was something like red ripple. so much more of the south made sense when i thought it was like red ripple.
posted by poffin boffin at 9:36 PM on February 5 [7 favorites]


the correct counter to the dominance handshake

All good answers; so far indubitable wins for simplicity but XMLicious for style.

acceptable answers also include a knee to the groin and that move where you wiggle your finger around in their grip like the gestural equivalent of Woody Harrelson's mustache, when he has one.
posted by aspersioncast at 9:37 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


I mean honestly that's okay; I like Cheerios pandering to me with its interracial couples and HoneyMaid pandering to me with its same-sex couples and LOOK if late capitalism is going to use greed to guide it I'd much rather it be INCLUSIVE GREED than STRAIGHT WHITE MALE TRUCK MAN greed.

as long as you don't try to unionize
posted by indubitable at 9:38 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]


"Seriously, Eyebrows, I would love for you to run for office."

I DID TWICE, I won the first time, the second time was an utter shitshow that ended in rape threats, a police report, my harassers FOIAing my police report to get my unlisted phone number, MORE rape threats to my unlisted phone number, my 4-year-old being doxxed and receiving specific threats at preschool that required us to keep him out for a week for the safety of his teacher and classmates, me going to the mayor because the cops were unresponsive, the mayor making fun of me on a Friday for being a wussy little baby girlie who was easily intimidated by anonymous calls and then on a Tuesday sending in the SWAT team against a fake twitter account. The mayor cried because it was hurtful to his wife that people were making sex jokes about him. Whereas he felt that people directly threatening me with rape was something I should just suck up because "it's just the sort of thing that happens and you can't really respond to it" and I LITERALLY QUOTE THE COPS, "The kind of thing that happens to women, it's almost never serious."

Anyway running for office is balls.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:41 PM on February 5 [227 favorites]


"the second time was an utter shitshow that ended in rape threats" -- The reason why was, a very popular principal cheated and encouraged his teachers to cheat on standardized state assessments for special ed students so that he was recognized by the White House as a Blue Ribbon School; students who literally could not read scored state exams as reading at an 8th grade level, so we fired him. So people freaked the fuck out because HE LOVED THE CHILDREN AND TAUGHT THEM TO READ and somehow magically when they went anywhere else they couldn't WHY DIDN'T WE LOVE CHILDREN???? Also he used the n-word when he was among just white people, it was GREAT, he was GREAT.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:44 PM on February 5 [83 favorites]


Grr. Do any of the groups trying to support women in office have any useful resources for dealing with the police not taking things seriously? Because that's pretty fucked up, and I'm sure that sort of thing, where the police ignore threats against women, contributes to the gender disparity among our representatives. Maybe if they don't, somebody should tell them to start.
posted by nat at 9:50 PM on February 5 [3 favorites]


I DID TWICE

Well dammit.

You just reminded me how a friend of mine got angry at a mutual acquaintance who during the election posted something along the lines of "just get out there and run for office, millennials."

I didn't quite grok friend's beef until they explained how extraordinarily privileged and rooted in cis-het-whiteness that is. And then I felt extraordinarily privileged for not having that be my immediate expectation. And then I thought about how Lord Dampnut (who I was still thinking of as []) has never felt any such emotion, despite being far more privileged than any of us.

Thanks Eyebrows. For everything.
posted by aspersioncast at 9:56 PM on February 5 [23 favorites]


Eyebrows, you're an impressive woman. Firstly for your drive and strength, but secondly and not least because (I assume) you didn't then spend a while sitting safely behind Tor and VPNs Twitter trolling the hell out of your mayor.
posted by jaduncan at 9:57 PM on February 5 [6 favorites]


Yeah, this kind of thing is exactly why many women should be very reasonably afraid to run for office. Sigh. (Though Brianna Wu's already going through it so what does she have to lose at this point, might as well.)
So far it seems like fucking nobody seems to have any idea how to handle these situations, though.
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:57 PM on February 5 [2 favorites]




The correct counter move is one of insurgent submission. You drop to your knees in pain and shout "oh lord! Oh crikey! Let go you rotter! Don't punish me!'
-with apologies to bonzo dog band
posted by ian1977 at 10:01 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


In fact, if he continues to display such masterful physical dominance, maybe this should be his new walk on music...

"He's the strongest man...the world...has ever seen! And if you take his courses, he'll make you big and rough. And you can kick sand right back in their faces!"
posted by ian1977 at 10:07 PM on February 5


Honestly I enjoyed 90% of my races and my service, but that 10% managed to be utterly terrible. I'm not sure there's a lesson to be taken from it because it was such a crazy situation, but if I had to try to take lessons:
1) You can do real good for real people in local government and it is very much worth it for that.
2) Women, and people with children, are uniquely vulnerable if public sentiment turns against them.
3) State laws regarding FOIAing elected officials' children are way, way too lenient, and FOIAs about police reports for harassment should absolutely require a judge to sign off before releasing the report because it's hella easy for harassers to FOIA harassment reports about them and use the reports to get more information about the people they're harassing.

Like definitely you should be able to call your Congressional rep, but probably you should not be able to find out his kindergartener's teacher's name and send threats through the school system.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 10:09 PM on February 5 [60 favorites]


There's probably never going to be a Republican "insurgency" of any kind, but sooner or later we're going to see individual or small groups of Republicans who get tired of being poked with a stick and start poking back, and there are some things they're going to get in the way of because they just can't afford not to. That's why you're seeing them grumble and harumph now, because they're still hoping that Trump will make an about-turn and become the rubber-stamping traditional conservative they want him to be.

Agreed, plus one thing that hasn't yet had time to develop in a serious way:

Clash Of The Titan(ic Egos)

Which is to say as far as I can tell judges, governors, and US Senators, especially the white male versions, are used to having no small amount of power and authority in their own right, and often have the egos to match. If they start to feel like Trump thinks he can just order them around they're likely to push back - "You can't tell ME what to do, I'm a goddam US Senator!!!" I think this is part of the grumping and harrumphing, they're feeling trod upon but haven't yet reached the point of openly balking. (Partly because, as you say, they're getting the things they want and are still hoping Trump will calm the fuck down.) We've seen hints of this with McCain, and there was apparently one point where Trump suggested to McConnell that the Senate just do away with the filibuster first thing, and McConnell went on one of the talk shows and basically told him to buzz off and let the Senate worry about the Senate rules. So there's some potential cracks in the Red Wall that Trump is essentially naturally likely to make bigger just being himself.
posted by soundguy99 at 10:10 PM on February 5 [7 favorites]


okay but have you considered hollowing out some silver-haired white dude and piloting him from the inside like that episode of the x-files that still grosses me out ugh and running for office that way?
posted by um at 10:12 PM on February 5 [20 favorites]


Bonus: some of them are pre-hollowed!
posted by ian1977 at 10:15 PM on February 5 [32 favorites]


Or find some dude to play Christian to your Cyrano.
posted by jenfullmoon at 10:16 PM on February 5


" it's hella easy for harassers to FOIA harassment reports about them and use the reports to get more information about the people they're harassing."

I mean like if you're suffering domestic violence and file against your abuser they can FOIA a lot of your details. There are protections but they are patchy. It's bad enough if you're a public official running for election; WAY WORSE if your abuser is in your own home.

It also gave me a lot of sympathy for people (of either party) losing elections, it is terrible, there is hardly any humiliation as public, and it's on the front page of the paper for days.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 10:16 PM on February 5 [12 favorites]


97 (mostly tech) companies, including Apple, Facebook, Salesforce, Twitter, Uber, and Microsoft, have filed a friend of the court brief with the 9th Circuit in the Washington case opposing the immigration executive order.
posted by zachlipton at 10:18 PM on February 5 [31 favorites]


97 (mostly tech) companies, including Apple, Facebook, Salesforce, Twitter, Uber, and Microsoft, have filed a friend of the court brief with the 9th Circuit in the Washington case opposing the immigration executive order.

Not surprised to see Lyft in there, but Uber? Wow, that's some serious, high-speed backpedaling, Kalanick.

Too little, too late, though. Fuck Uber.
posted by CommonSense at 10:25 PM on February 5 [6 favorites]


Might be a little too much of a stretch, but it's still nice.

It would be an odd coincidence to start a set with "God Bless America" then do a brisk segue into "This Land Is Your Land" without being very aware of the relationship between the two songs. That itself is a statement. And Gaga sang "This Land" in Camden, NJ last year at a show for DNC delegates.
posted by holgate at 10:28 PM on February 5 [8 favorites]




Or find some dude to play Christian to your Cyrano.

Worked for Bannon.
posted by sebastienbailard at 10:48 PM on February 5 [5 favorites]


Semi-interesting for what's not in the group... lots of tech but no ISP/phone/cable companies and no Big Media (even after Disney dropped out of his 'business advisory' group). But among the few non-tech in the group: the so-pro-immigrant-they're-getting-boycotted yogurt people Chobani, and jeansmaker Levi-Strauss. And Thiel's old stomping ground PayPal...
posted by oneswellfoop at 10:55 PM on February 5 [1 favorite]


Notably absent from the list of 97 companies are several who met with Trump prior to his inauguration: Amazon, Oracle, IBM, SpaceX and Tesla.
Elon Musk seems incredibly determined to corkscrew all the electric-cars-and-rockets goodwill he'd amassed straight into the ground.

(Also: fucking hell, Bezos? Really?)
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 10:57 PM on February 5 [26 favorites]


Elon Musk has been acting incredibly stupid about the ban on twitter. He previously attempted to somehow crowdsource specific revisions to the executive order ("Lmk specific amendments"); a plan so stunningly naive I'm really questioning his basic competence at life. How could a seemingly intelligent person think that could possibly be a useful exercise? Yesterday, he tweeted:
At my request, the agenda for yesterday's White House meeting went from not mentioning the travel ban to having it be first and foremost
Wow Elon. You got it on the agenda. Great work. I'm sure that really sent a message. I like Carl Malamud's reply:
If i were going to hire a clerk, this guy would be on my must-interview list.
posted by zachlipton at 11:07 PM on February 5 [29 favorites]


(Also: fucking hell, Bezos? Really?)

Amazon wasn't a part of this brief, but they've were already involved in the Washington case, working with the AG and filing a declaration stating how the order has impacted its employees.
posted by zachlipton at 11:12 PM on February 5 [20 favorites]


Gonna give Bezos the benefit of the doubt for now based on zachlipton's point above and WaPo continuing to play "grown-up journalist" for the most part.

(yes, there are multiple problems with the Post and indeed I read the McConnell op-ed; yes, I think overall they're still slightly better than the old grey lady in many respects)

yes I may be overly reliant on the small tag.

posted by aspersioncast at 11:25 PM on February 5 [7 favorites]


Elon Musk has been acting incredibly stupid about the ban on twitter.

This guy. This guy is basically the Soylent guy and it's weird how many more people respect him. I guess he did manage to ship?
posted by aspersioncast at 11:35 PM on February 5 [12 favorites]


Musk doesn't want to ruin his chances for when he starts yet another company that requires hundreds of millions of dollars of Federal government loans and invoices to survive.
posted by PenDevil at 11:38 PM on February 5 [14 favorites]


So, I'm reading a biography of Andrew Jackson (who Trump seems to've adopted as a sort of patron saint, mostly, it seems, at Bannon's urging, because of Jackson's conception of "America" as a country for white men), and learning things I didn't know, or have forgotten; Jackson wanted to amend the Constitution to do away with the Electoral College and ensure that the popular vote winner was President. Pertinent quote: “It must be very certain that a President elected by a minority cannot enjoy the confidence necessary to the successful discharge of his duties.”
posted by Pseudonymous Cognomen at 11:39 PM on February 5 [22 favorites]


Technology News | Mon Feb 6, 2017 | 1:53am EST
U.S. tech firms file legal brief opposing Trump's immigration ban
posted by futz at 11:43 PM on February 5


Hey did you ever want to see our Mad King turn a handshake with future Supreme Court Justice Gorsuch into a gross dominance display?

My cruddy, narcissistic dad does this. He's not into that yanking business, but he has a couple other variants he's fond of. One is a "not shaking, just slowly squeezing harder and harder" maneuver, which he likes to employ with women, especially women who are physically larger than him, or who in some other way exude authority. The other is this weird thing where he kind of pinches the other person's hand between his thumb and middle finger, raises his hand about an inch above theirs, and then gives it an extremely brisk, kind of vibrating shake, as though the other person's hand were a damp, clammy washcloth, and he was trying flick a bit of filth off of it.

He likes to pair both of these with a bright-eyed, open-mouthed, but absolutely frozen smile.

If what I've just described sounds creepy, that's only because it completely fucking is.
posted by palmcorder_yajna at 12:40 AM on February 6 [85 favorites]


My indivisible group met today. First big meeting in a couple days. We expect 75. This is happening.
posted by professor plum with a rope at 12:50 AM on February 6 [13 favorites]


[One deleted. Please just include the link to something like a list of ~100 things rather than posting each one on a separate line here. Thanks. ]
posted by taz at 1:40 AM on February 6 [1 favorite]


The Press Secretary said he got so many messages he thought there was a national emergency.
- The Telegraph

The Press Secretary also complained that SNL had been 'mean'.
posted by sebastienbailard at 2:36 AM on February 6 [12 favorites]


For the record, as romantic as the tale of Woody Guthrie's composition of "This Land" as a (frankly nativist) socialist response to (grateful Jewish immigrant Irving Berlin's) "God Bless America" might be, a lot of my Indigenous activist comrades don't see the romance in "This Land is Your Land," and refer to it derisively as "that Manifest Destiny song."

Think about it and it becomes a bit mortifying from a Native American perspective. This land was their land.
posted by spitbull at 2:59 AM on February 6 [38 favorites]


Have you ever thought of how cool it it must be to be able to say: my ancestors arrived here 15,000 years before the Mayflower?
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 3:07 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Actually, it makes me a little melancholic.
posted by ridgerunner at 3:39 AM on February 6 [3 favorites]


Actually, it makes me a little melancholic.

This, too.
The proposed revamp, reported by Reuters on Wednesday, would rename the multi-agency "Countering Violent Extremism" (CVE) task force to "Countering Islamic Extremism" or "Countering Radical Islamic Extremism," and eliminate initiatives aimed at other violent hate groups in the United States.

"Abandoning efforts to counter violent white supremacist ideology is profoundly misguided and will endanger Americans," New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman said in a statement, adding that he urged President Donald Trump to keep the focus on "all extremist threats."
(The article is a couple of days old. I'm posting it here now as I did a metafilter search of the URL and found no match.)

"A Trump administration effort to exclude violent white supremacists from a government anti-terrorism program..." (Reuters)

posted by Mister Bijou at 4:12 AM on February 6 [32 favorites]


The way to deal with weird dominance stuff like handshakes it not to go on pretending it isn't happening. Just like, point to the handshake with the other hand, make eye contact with the other people present and be like, "What the fuck is this?"
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 4:23 AM on February 6 [42 favorites]


"A Trump administration effort to exclude violent white supremacists from a government anti-terrorism program..."

Yep, I've got a t shirt that says something about "fighting terrorism since 1492"
posted by ridgerunner at 4:32 AM on February 6 [4 favorites]


@realDonaldTrump

Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting.

[ six minutes later]
I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data, and everyone knows it. Some FAKE NEWS media, in order to marginalize, lies!

Any negative polls are fake news
I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data, and everyone knows it.

I just awoke from a dream about snakes living in my teeth but am seriously considered going back to bed so I don't have to keep trying to scry meaning from this cauldron of piss.
posted by Rust Moranis at 4:41 AM on February 6 [26 favorites]




Legislation to help prevent us all dying in a ball of fire introduced in the Senate:

It is the fear of such precipitous action that has led Senator Edward Markey of Massachusetts and Representative Ted Lieu of California, both Democrats, to propose legislation to prohibit any president from launching a first-strike nuclear weapon without a declaration of war from Congress.

Probably it won't go nowhere but I'm going to be bugging my Senators about it. Asking them to prevent Trump from killing us all seems a fairly reasonable request.
posted by angrycat at 4:43 AM on February 6 [31 favorites]




Have you ever thought of how cool it it must be to be able to say: my ancestors arrived here 15,000 years before the Mayflower?

I don't think "cool" is the point. Imagine how traumatizing it would feel to be dominated by settler colonial nation states, come through a genocide, and live on tiny shitty scraps of land while your oppressors get rich off the land they stole from your ancestors? And that's just the highlight reel.
posted by spitbull at 4:51 AM on February 6 [32 favorites]


Great piece in Indian Country Today documenting the actual Bowling Green Massacre of Lenape people in lower Manhattan, present-day NYC, in 1643.

Also the Northern Route of the Trail of Tears ran right by Bowling Green, Kentucky in the 1830s.

So even the "Bowling Green Massacre" jokes ring a little sour if that history weighs on your mind.
posted by spitbull at 4:54 AM on February 6 [56 favorites]


I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data, and everyone knows it.

SNL writers don't even need to write for Alec Baldwin hosting this weekend. Well done.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 4:55 AM on February 6 [11 favorites]


Executive Power Run Amok (by John Yoo, who served in W. Bush's administration in the DOJ, co-author of the torture memos): "A successful president need not have a degree in constitutional law. But he should understand the Constitution’s grant of executive power. He should share Hamilton’s vision of an energetic president leading the executive branch in a unified direction, rather than viewing the government as the enemy. He should realize that the Constitution channels the president toward protecting the nation from foreign threats, while cooperating with Congress on matters at home."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:09 AM on February 6 [8 favorites]


I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data, and everyone knows it. Some FAKE NEWS media, in order to marginalize, lies!

Looks like the Bannon-is-boss narrative is striking a nerve.
posted by FelliniBlank at 5:10 AM on February 6 [59 favorites]


I assume they like sitting in the dark so they don't have any danger of confronting one another's humanity. Instead they can just whisper sweet evil nothing's to one another like a pack of Gollums.
posted by ian1977 at 5:10 AM on February 6 [10 favorites]


It astonishes me to this day that Torture Yoo is able to show his face in public.
posted by adamgreenfield at 5:11 AM on February 6 [32 favorites]


John Yoo talking about the restraint of executive power is like Hannibal Lecter extolling the virtues of banning cannibalism.
posted by Talez at 5:13 AM on February 6 [56 favorites]


The gentleman who says it's legal in an interrogation to force the subject to watch his son's testicles crushed is now (accurately) telling the president to stop being so unconstitutional.
posted by Rust Moranis at 5:15 AM on February 6 [19 favorites]


John Yoo: "A successful president need not have a degree in constitutional law. But he should understand the Constitution’s grant of executive power. He should share Hamilton’s vision of an energetic president leading the executive branch in a unified direction, rather than viewing the government as the enemy."

If only he could restrain himself to a program of crushing the testicles of terror suspects' toddler sons. That's all John Yoo asks for.
posted by indubitable at 5:15 AM on February 6 [13 favorites]


Op-ed: why Trump needs to count to ten and maybe walk around the block before making a decision, by Vlad the Impaler.
posted by tel3path at 5:24 AM on February 6 [61 favorites]


When you lose Yoo, you lose America too.
posted by spitbull at 5:25 AM on February 6 [1 favorite]


John Yoo is a bad person.
Whatever else he writes, for the rest of his life, whatever he does - he gave the legal fig leaf to the Bush Jr. admin to use torture. So. Fuck that guy.
He wrote something approaching lucid, maybe even reasonable? Sure. Fine. Fuck you buddy.
posted by From Bklyn at 5:25 AM on February 6 [36 favorites]


And tomorrow we'll be hearing an opinion piece by our exclusive guest columnist, Johnny the Homicidal Maniac, on why the current presidency is lowering the tone.
posted by tel3path at 5:28 AM on February 6 [17 favorites]


I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data, and everyone knows it.

Yeah, don't we ever.
posted by Rykey at 5:28 AM on February 6 [10 favorites]


"Call Own Shots Largely Based On An Accumulation Of Data" is the new "Make America Great Again." 2020 slogan?

COSLBOAAOD!
posted by Rust Moranis at 5:32 AM on February 6 [6 favorites]


If it's one thing Trump has always been known for its his meticulous process and accumulation of data driving his decisions.
posted by T.D. Strange at 5:47 AM on February 6 [17 favorites]


I call my own shots,

How presidential.
posted by marimeko at 5:49 AM on February 6


I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data, and everyone knows it.

Trump 2020 sponsored by Huggies Pullups.
posted by Talez at 5:51 AM on February 6 [11 favorites]


I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data, but sometimes based on a priori propositions which do not require reference to the external world.
posted by J.K. Seazer at 5:52 AM on February 6 [15 favorites]


our exclusive guest columnist, Johnny the Homicidal Maniac

Dude, I changed my name a long time ago.
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 5:52 AM on February 6 [26 favorites]


One reason I was rooting for the Falcons was the probability that many of the team wouldn't go to the White House, as opposed to pro-fascist Brady, Belichick and Co. But at least one and hopefully more are boycotting.

Martellus Bennett to sit out Patriots' White House trip after Super Bowl win
posted by chris24 at 5:53 AM on February 6 [37 favorites]


Someone needs to ask him to his face if he "called the shot" to put Bannon on the NSC, and to name one data point that the decision was based on.
posted by argonauta at 5:58 AM on February 6 [27 favorites]


Yep, I've got a t shirt that says something about "fighting terrorism since 1492"

It's a popular shirt in Indian Country. A variation on it also shows Geronimo's band at arms but with the legend "Homeland Security."

I should be clear that I am not Native American, just a white guy who works in Native America and with many Indigenous colleagues, since I am channeling what I assert to be the views of many of those colleagues. It's a complex intersectional challenge in my circles (not least because the categories of Indigenous and Immigrant overlap in the case of many Central and South Americans (and arguably across a broader swath of migrants than that, such as Hmong and Somali). Refugees are often displaced Indigenes. So the fact that the struggle for the narrative of the US as a "nation of immigrants" has gotten the most traction in the emergence of an anti-Trump consensus (shared last night by major corporate advertisers) is both awesome -- traction is traction against an evil man and his evil intentions toward immigrants are palpably central to his agenda -- and a little "melancholic" too, in that every time someone says "we are a nation of immigrants," those who identify as Indigenous throw up a little in their mouths holding back the "not really, no" response that often rises. Especially when the tragic and brutal unfolding of the DAPL conflict over the last two weeks has barely made the activist radar of the gathering anti-Trump movement.

For different reasons, albeit of course structurally related (see Patrick Wolfe, "Settler Colonialism and the Elimination of the Native," Journal of Genocide Research (2006), 8(4), December, pp. 387–409), the descendants of African slaves in the New World don't necessarily see their history as included in the "immigrant nation" narrative or its logic of assimilation over generations. Likewise for the descendants of other indentured or forced migrant laborers, including some Asian Americans and Filipinos and Hawaiians (who are an Indigenous people in diaspora in the US, along with other Pacific Islanders now including refugees from climate change, such as Marshallese/Rongalapese).

I grew up loving "This Land is Your Land" and celebrating my own family's complex immigration history (Eastern European Jews fleeing pogroms in the late 19th century on one side, and Scottish and Irish Methodists and Germans going back the the 17th century on the other). I've only slowly come to realize the hegemonic force the immigrant story has if it isn't juxtaposed critically with the histories of genocide of Indigenous people, colonialism, slavery, and forced migration for labor. Not all "immigration" is the same, and not everyone "is" an "immigrant." I got woke by spending a lot of time with Indigenous communities and colleagues over the last 15 years or so, so I'm sharing that wokeness (still definitely partial, and not intending to speak on behalf of anyone but myself) in the spirit of Metafilter's laudable commitment to rooting out naturalized and casual forms of disrespect for marginalized and oppressed and traumatized classes of people from our patterns of discourse. So I thought I'd point out that "we are a nation of immigrants" can be an exclusionary framing and even a classic leftist protest song or a joke about a "fictional massacre" at the site of a real one can be received hurtfully by our allies and friends in the struggle. My Indigenous colleagues are themselves wrestling hard with how they engage against Trump while not identifying with a "patriotic" nationalist erasure of their distinctive historical relationship to the nation-state.

From their point of view, every president since George Washington has been equally illegitimate, is my understanding. I don't want to speak for them but I do want their position represented in progressive conversations.
posted by spitbull at 5:58 AM on February 6 [93 favorites]


The "crush the woman's hand" handshake isn't how handshakes with men are supposed to work? I've never gotten any other kind.
posted by winna at 5:59 AM on February 6 [7 favorites]


I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data, and everyone knows it.

Sez the guy who would be hard-pressed to define "accumulation."

Perhaps he was dictating from President Bannon.
posted by sutt at 6:04 AM on February 6


@BraddJaffy
6:30am: CNN (which Trump never watches) reports new low approval numbers

7:01am: Trump tweets polls are “fake news” [video]
posted by chris24 at 6:06 AM on February 6 [17 favorites]


Elon Musk seems incredibly determined to corkscrew all the electric-cars-and-rockets goodwill he'd amassed straight into the ground.

(Also: fucking hell, Bezos? Really?)


rocket nerds have a long rich history of working with nazis
posted by entropicamericana at 6:08 AM on February 6 [28 favorites]


I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data, and everyone knows it.

This phrasing about data is seemingly a result of Bill O' Reilly asking a couple times in his interview about what data he had to back up his voter fraud claims.

God, could he be any more of a simpleton.
posted by chris24 at 6:11 AM on February 6 [28 favorites]


I wonder a little why Trump has maintained the phrase "fake news," given how throughly that's been mocked. I mean there are many other options. Liberal media. Elite media. The phrase "fake news" is now just fingernails on chalkboard to me. Jesus, have your aides look at a thesaurus for you.
posted by angrycat at 6:11 AM on February 6 [1 favorite]


@BraddJaffy
6:30am: CNN (which Trump never watches) reports new low approval numbers

7:01am: Trump tweets polls are “fake news” [video]


I didn't watch it but read they also talked about Bannon being in charge in some way. If so that would explain the 'I call the shots tweet'.
posted by Jalliah at 6:12 AM on February 6 [11 favorites]


Metafilter is my favorite place on the internet right now.

I TOOK ACTION and planned a Read-In in my city on Feb 2nd. The response was 100% positive (even. on. reddit.) AND we'll be back out there on March 2nd, April 2nd -- I plan to do these every month until we have enough folks to circle "Big Lake."

Currently working on: T-shirts, word games, and a Burma Shave-style marketing campaign. This IS happening, and I'm doing a wee bit to help from down here in the South.

<3
posted by polly_dactyl at 6:15 AM on February 6 [52 favorites]


I mean there are many other options. Liberal media. Elite media.

This is the man (and administration) that uses words like bigly, mean, "evil", bad people, etc. Fake is under 4 letters.
posted by INFJ at 6:15 AM on February 6 [7 favorites]


I wonder a little why Trump has maintained the phrase "fake news," given how throughly that's been mocked. I mean there are many other options. Liberal media. Elite media. The phrase "fake news" is now just fingernails on chalkboard to me. Jesus, have your aides look at a thesaurus for you.

He appropriated it from establishment Democrat types and seems to be deliberately running it into the ground. One could only hope this serves as warning for the same people who are busy with the "barbarian foreign interlopers are to blame" narrative re: Russia and Trump.
posted by indubitable at 6:16 AM on February 6 [1 favorite]


Odds Trump says they should apologize?

Russia Demands Apology From Fox News Over ‘Putin’s a Killer’ Remark
posted by chris24 at 6:16 AM on February 6 [7 favorites]


I thought the "call my own shots" line was a response to the NYT report that Bannon wrote the Muslim Ban EO and Trump signed it without reading or understanding it. That was a damning tidbit. Amazing that it leaked from his inner circle.
posted by spitbull at 6:17 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Data is worthless without some sort of intelligence shaping its interpretation, so I have to believe he does base his decisions on an accumulation of data. He's a jackdaw sitting on a hoard of shiny things.
posted by winna at 6:18 AM on February 6 [7 favorites]


He prefers the phrase "person with homicidality".
posted by tel3path at 6:19 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Wow, great ad by VoteVets out today and running on morning shows directly addressing Trump.

You want to be a legitimate president, sir? Then act like one.
posted by chris24 at 6:24 AM on February 6 [67 favorites]




I thought the "call my own shots" line was a response to the NYT report that Bannon wrote the Muslim Ban EO and Trump signed it without reading or understanding it. That was a damning tidbit. Amazing that it leaked from his inner circle.


Also the NSC change EO. Would be interesting to know just what he knew before he signed it and what he didn't know.
posted by Jalliah at 6:25 AM on February 6 [3 favorites]


Oh yes, actually it was the NSC EO, Jalliah, that I meant. Much more damning since it put Bannon in an unprecedentedly powerful role.
posted by spitbull at 6:28 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


6:30am: CNN (which Trump never watches) reports new low approval numbers

7:01am: Trump tweets polls are “fake news”


I believe Morning Joe had a segment about whether Bannon was calling the shots closer to 7am.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:32 AM on February 6 [5 favorites]


I believe Morning Joe had a segment about whether Bannon was calling the shots closer to 7am.

Yep, they used the exact term, he repeated it.

@BraddJaffy Retweeted Donald J. Trump
6:09 am: MJoe showed Bannon Time mag cover, played SNL clip of Trump & “President Bannon” & discussed “maybe Bannon’s calling all the shots”
posted by chris24 at 6:34 AM on February 6 [38 favorites]


I believe Morning Joe had a segment about whether Bannon was calling the shots closer to 7am.

This makes me so happy. Pretty much all of the media we know he pays religious attention too have now covered 'President Bannon'. CNN in general, Morning Joe, Time, NYT and SNL. No idea if anything he watches on Fox has touched it.
posted by Jalliah at 6:36 AM on February 6 [6 favorites]


He appropriated it from establishment Democrat types and seems to be deliberately running it into the ground.

Democrats: this Trump guy is really feckless
Trump: these Democrats are really feckless
Citizenry: everybody's feckless now i guess
Democrats: god damn it how is he so good at this
posted by Greg Nog at 6:36 AM on February 6 [16 favorites]


@BraddJaffy Retweeted Donald J. Trump
6:09 am: MJoe showed Bannon Time mag cover, played SNL clip of Trump & “President Bannon” & discussed “maybe Bannon’s calling all the shots”


Ha. That's even better. He get's to see news, covering other news and media doing it. lol
posted by Jalliah at 6:37 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


@jessicaschulb is at Dulles this morning if you want to see great videos of people arriving to meet their families.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:42 AM on February 6 [5 favorites]


Hah. So when they showed that clip from one of the first EO signings, Trump at the desk, aides huddled around:

1. Preibus had to point where to sign because the President hadn't seen it or read it yet;

2. When the President read a few phrases aloud, as if to read out what the EO says and does to us watching, he was really reading it himself for the first time.

It won't be long before a boardroom killer like Rex Tillerson is running this circus.
posted by notyou at 6:42 AM on February 6 [23 favorites]


Hey, I linked to this in the last big Trump thread, but in light of my long comment above about intersectional complications along the Indigenous/Immigrant faultline, the remarkable Julian Brave Noisecat wrote what I consider to be a critically important article ("The Indigenous Revolution: Standing Rock points the way forward for indigenous people and the Left." Jacobin Magazine, Nov. 24, 2016) and an equally compelling followup to it called "When the Indians Defeat the Cowboys: How indigenous people and the Left can continue to win in the wake of Standing Rock," Jacobin, Jan 15 2017). In these pieces he argues that Standing Rock points the way forward for a larger Left/Indigenous alliance politics. I cannot urge reading this strongly enough. Noisecat is Canim Lake Band Tsq'escen, and a graduate of Columbia and Oxford. (He also wrote a great piece about his experience as an Indigenous finalist for a Rhodes Scholarship for Indian Country Today in 2015).

He's a voice to remember. Make a note of it.
posted by spitbull at 6:42 AM on February 6 [52 favorites]


11 AM: Trump signs EO demanding trade sanctions against Zimbabwe in retaliation for SNL skit [fake]
posted by contraption at 6:42 AM on February 6 [1 favorite]


So Trump's going to CENTCOM and SOCOM today, yes? I expect a repeat of the CIA speech, namely:

He'll complain to them about "fake news."
He'll compare himself to Tom Brady & the Patriots.
He'll say how he knew the Patriots would win all along (even though he left the party when they were losing.)
But he'll include some kid of putdown on Brady, like how he was on the Time magazine cover more times.
Later, he'll brag about the standing ovation he got from them, even though he's their commander and they're pretty much required to stand and applaud.
posted by bluecore at 6:44 AM on February 6 [5 favorites]


In many ways, this is a terrifying climate for journalism, but in other ways, the media is enjoying a whole new type of influence! When else did Morning Joe have more influence on the President than, like, his cabinet does?

What a weird scary world.
posted by R a c h e l at 6:45 AM on February 6 [19 favorites]


And tomorrow we'll be hearing an opinion piece by our exclusive guest columnist, Johnny the Homicidal Maniac, on why the current presidency is lowering the tone.

Nny isn't the hero we want or the hero we need, but at this point he's probably the hero we deserve.

(And if you've read the comic, there's no way Trump isn't the Mayor of JtHM's "LA with everybody who isn't an asshole removed" version of Hell.)
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:46 AM on February 6 [3 favorites]




So Trump's going to CENTCOM and SOCOM today, yes? I expect a repeat of the CIA speech, namely:

He'll complain to them about "fake news."
He'll compare himself to Tom Brady & the Patriots.
He'll say how he knew the Patriots would win all along (even though he left the party when they were losing.)
But he'll include some kid of putdown on Brady, like how he was on the Time magazine cover more times.
Later, he'll brag about the standing ovation he got from them, even though he's their commander and they're pretty much required to stand and applaud.


He also has to say something about how he is the one calling the shots and how they are the best shots.
posted by Jalliah at 6:47 AM on February 6 [1 favorite]


We're never going to see one, but wouldn't a press conference by Accused Child Rapist and Serial Sexual Predator Donald J. Trump be really interesting?
posted by mikelieman at 6:49 AM on February 6 [4 favorites]


Well, that's just silly, Mike.
posted by tel3path at 6:51 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


We're never going to see one, but wouldn't a press conference by Accused Child Rapist and Serial Sexual Predator Donald J. Trump be really interesting?

"Anybody calling me an accused child rapist and serial sexual predator are fake news, lie is in the guy's name! Sorry, people want someone who can grab other countries by the pussy."

[fake, for now]
posted by Talez at 6:55 AM on February 6 [1 favorite]


Onstage, Rapidly Reacting to the Dawn of the Trump Era: The playwright Robert Schenkkan spent three years writing “The Kentucky Cycle,” the series of nine one-acts that won him the Pulitzer Prize for drama in 1992. He spent 21 months on a first draft of “All the Way,” which won him the Tony Award for best new play in 2014.

“Building the Wall,” a disquieting response to the dawn of the Trump era, took him just one week to complete. He wrote it, he said, in a “white-hot fury.”

Five theaters around the United States, acting with unusual speed, have already agreed to present the play in a series of productions beginning next month, shaping an early response to an embryonic presidency that has alarmed many theater artists.

posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:55 AM on February 6 [17 favorites]






That MSNBC Interview Was Not the First Time Kellyanne Conway Referred to the "Bowling Green Massacre": But in an interview with Cosmopolitan.com conducted by phone days earlier, on Sunday, January 29, Conway used the same phrasing, claiming that President Obama called for a temporary "ban on Iraqi refugees” after the “Bowling Green massacre.” (The quotes did not appear in either of two stories recently published on Cosmopolitan.com.)
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:01 AM on February 6 [10 favorites]


That liberal rag the WSJ...

...has a paywall that you (or at least, I) can't get around via searching for the title or going incognito or going through Google News or Twitter or any of the usual workarounds, so maybe find some other source or cut and paste more than just the title?
posted by Etrigan at 7:03 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Keep going, Spicey. All the grassroots activists I know are just energized by being called "astroturfed paid protesters." You want to see some grassroots activism? Hold my fucking beer.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:05 AM on February 6 [99 favorites]


Fire the Fool is rallying for a march on the national mall on April 1st. On the one hand, I think it's great that people are continuing to mobilize. On the other hand, April 1st seems soooooo far away.

I live in DC and, while that may be the next march organized well ahead of time, I can tell you there have been multiple protests a week here (my sweet baby will be seven months old tomorrow and has already been to five starting with the women's march). A lot of them start at the White House and march down Pennsylvania to the Capitol and some of them have gone from the Islamic Center to the Naval Observatory (where the Vice President lives).

Honestly I wish there were a permanent protest set up outside the old Post Office building (currently the Trump Hotel). For a number of reasons (including wording in the actual contract) I don't think he should be able to make any money off of it and I think everyone, lobbyists, foreign diplomats, his supporters, everyone, should be too ashamed to stay there. I know it's not really feasible because people have jobs and families and lives but even like twenty people being there every day not blocking the doors, just hanging out in front with signs and glaring at anyone coming or going would make a big statement.
posted by Mrs. Pterodactyl at 7:06 AM on February 6 [20 favorites]


If some kind of rotating vigil could be set up outside the White House, I'd be more than happy to take a few days of PTO to do a shift. Right now I really am at a point where I just want to sit outside a place and just.... sit. Until this gets solved. I don't know what else to do.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:09 AM on February 6 [8 favorites]


That's funny. The first time I heard the term astroturfing was actually when somebody was explaining to me how the Tea Party movement happened.
posted by IAmUnaware at 7:09 AM on February 6 [38 favorites]


That liberal rag the WSJ...

...has a paywall


Sorry. The gist:
When President Donald Trump introduced his Supreme Court pick on live television last week, he said Neil Gorsuch had “demonstrated a commitment to helping the less fortunate” by working in the Harvard Prison Legal Assistance Project and the Harvard Defenders.

His affiliation with these volunteer programs —which offer law school students real-life legal experience representing prison inmates and the poor—helped give Mr. Gorsuch's deeply conservative resume a personal touch, and the groups were highlighted in news reports about his nomination.

But roughly three dozen students who participated in the two programs while Mr. Gorsuch was at Harvard Law School from 1988 to 1991 said they have no recollection of his involvement.
posted by chris24 at 7:15 AM on February 6 [17 favorites]


Huckabee: Past executive branch “emasculated itself by surrendering constantly to the idea that once the court says something, that’s it”

OK. Sooooooooooooo. They're not going to rely on Congress to give the executive dictatorial power they're just going to start ignoring the judicial branch and assume that power.
posted by Talez at 7:16 AM on February 6 [46 favorites]


That VoteVets ad is ass-kickingly good. Sending them $$$ today. Mor please.
posted by spitbull at 7:16 AM on February 6 [6 favorites]


But roughly three dozen students who participated in the two programs while Mr. Gorsuch was at Harvard Law School from 1988 to 1991 said they have no recollection of his involvement.

I wonder where they will find a conservative jurist who hasn't preemptively torpedoed their nomination by lying on their CV.
posted by Talez at 7:19 AM on February 6 [14 favorites]


If some kind of rotating vigil could be set up outside the White House, I'd be more than happy to take a few days of PTO to do a shift. Right now I really am at a point where I just want to sit outside a place and just.... sit. Until this gets solved. I don't know what else to do.

Well this is the thing, I think if there were actually a permanent protest somewhere in DC where people could come and go it would be self-sustaining if enough people knew about it. It would be much bigger on weekends and after work but hell, I'd go during lunch as often as possible and maybe some people would come out after work and people visiting friends and family in town or college kids on break or whatever could come and hang out for a few hours. If it were literally there all the time you wouldn't need to do any organizing after the initial push because people would know they didn't have to keep up to date about when and where the protest was, they could just show up with signs and join the group. I wish I had the time and understanding to organize this because I really think it could happen; I think the will is totally there and the issue would just be making sure people knew about it.
posted by Mrs. Pterodactyl at 7:23 AM on February 6 [12 favorites]


Is there a German word for laughing until you cry, but not happy tears but bitter ones?

Goldman Sachs Economists Are Starting to Worry About President Trump

"Just a few weeks ago, Wall Street analysts were busy boosting their economic forecasts on the expectation that President Trump would implement sweeping corporate-tax reform, a rollback of regulations, and new fiscal stimulus. Two weeks into his term and the president has been focused primarily on immigration and trade, causing a reevaluation among analysts at some banks that harks back to pre-election concerns about Trump's uncertain effect on markets and U.S. economic growth."
posted by chris24 at 7:24 AM on February 6 [18 favorites]


@BraddJaffy
Spicer says nationwide protests of Trump are not like Tea Party was: This is “a very paid AstroTurf-type movement” [Twitter]


Fucking weasel. I've seen this shit repeated by right-wing loons on social media but the administration's press secretary repeating this shit makes my blood boil. My wife, who has never participated in a protest in her life, attended the women's march. She is so apolitical it makes me crazy and is a registered independent. SHE MARCHED GODAMNIT. No one paid her. No one asked her to go. She even signed up for the march and never said a word to me. So fuck you Spicer. You're boss pissed off my wife which is nearly impossible to do when it comes to politics.
posted by photoslob at 7:24 AM on February 6 [80 favorites]


Cripes that Huckabee quote! They've been hollering for eight years about Obama's Imperial Presidency, rule by decree, laws rammed down our throats, etc.

Which is it, fellers?
posted by notyou at 7:28 AM on February 6 [20 favorites]


Mar-a-Lago Sharknado

1 measure of cheap, nasty rum from an expensive-looking bottle
2 measures Sharkleberry Fin Kool-Aid
garnish with thin-skinned orange peel and fake gold leaf
posted by Mr. Bad Example at 7:28 AM on February 6 [18 favorites]


OK. Sooooooooooooo. They're not going to rely on Congress to give the executive dictatorial power they're just going to start ignoring the judicial branch and assume that power.

Yes, I think that's what they have been signalling. At some point (over the immigration EO, or something else), a judge is going to rule "Nope, you can't do this", it will get appealed until it can't get appealed anymore and either the judicial branch will signal that it's going to accept whatever flimsy justification the Executive offers for its action, or will continue to say 'No' and the Executive will find another flimsy justification for why the judicial order isn't going to be obeyed.

And at that point: God only knows what will happen. Will the country look away? Will the ground people told to actually implement *order* obey their superiors, or the legal order?

In my mind, that's the arc of this first act of what will either be the rejuvenation of democracy in America, or its demise. And I think it'll play out quicker than any of us imagine.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:29 AM on February 6 [43 favorites]


Just a few weeks ago, Wall Street analysts were busy boosting their economic forecasts on the expectation that President Trump would implement sweeping corporate-tax reform, a rollback of regulations, and new fiscal stimulus.

Remember that thing that went around Facebook on Inauguration Day where you listed the price of gas and the DJIA and the unemploymenr rate and some other really basic economic stats, so it'll show up in your "Memories" in a year or two or four? I got into a long argument with a conservative friend of mine about how it left off the improvements since Election Day, since the Dow was up like 9 percent, and that was all on the strength of the market thinking that Trump would be good for the economy.

This story was basically my reply. They thought he'd be great, and it turns out he's shit, so he only gets credit for what happens while he's in charge. Especially given how he's spent all of his time reiterating how in-charge he must be and that anyone who pushes back literally does not count.
posted by Etrigan at 7:29 AM on February 6 [5 favorites]


I wish I had the time and understanding to organize this because I really think it could happen; I think the will is totally there and the issue would just be making sure people knew about it.

From what I've seen, it just needs someone with a huge social media presence to float it.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:30 AM on February 6 [4 favorites]


I think we have had an executive branch that has emasculated itself by surrendering constantly to the idea that once the court says something, that’s it.. the court can't make law. They cannot legislate.

I know the phrase "constitutional crisis" has been getting thrown around a lot in the last few weeks, but legislators flat-out ignoring the system of checks and balances in the constitution is.. uh. That not be tenable?
posted by Greg Nog at 7:30 AM on February 6 [15 favorites]


Which is it, fellers?

IOKWARDI
posted by entropicamericana at 7:32 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Is there a German word for laughing until you cry, but not happy tears but bitter ones

Since Trump whenever I'm on social media I think I need a new emoji for "appreciative chuckle followed by half-sob"
posted by gerstle at 7:32 AM on February 6 [10 favorites]


Trump's uncertain effect on markets and U.S. economic growth.
Ramirez said the impact on the peso of Donald Trump’s campaign had already led the company to look into importing from Argentina instead; further negative impact following the free-trade shakedown would mean they were forced to pull the plug.
[...]
Mexico is the largest US popcorn market and accounts for almost a third of all exports. In recent years, demand has grown dramatically from the country, rising threefold since 2006, while the rest of the export market went up only 10%.
US popcorn exports in doubt, warns head of Mexican cinema chain (Grauniad)
posted by Mister Bijou at 7:36 AM on February 6 [5 favorites]


I think we have had an executive branch that has emasculated itself by surrendering constantly to the idea that once the court says something, that’s it.. the court can't make law. They cannot legislate.

MARBURY V MADISON YOU MOUTHBREATHING FUCKS.
posted by dis_integration at 7:37 AM on February 6 [38 favorites]


I know the phrase "constitutional crisis" has been getting thrown around a lot in the last few weeks, but legislators flat-out ignoring the system of checks and balances in the constitution is.. uh. That not be tenable?

Tenable, well that remains to be seen. But certainly it's not compatible with a constitutional democracy under rule of law which protects human rights.
posted by tivalasvegas at 7:40 AM on February 6 [8 favorites]


At some point (over the immigration EO, or something else), a judge is going to rule "Nope, you can't do this", it will get appealed until it can't get appealed anymore and either the judicial branch will signal that it's going to accept whatever flimsy justification the Executive offers for its action, or will continue to say 'No' and the Executive will find another flimsy justification for why the judicial order isn't going to be obeyed.

I have a strong suspicion/fear that we'll start to see rulings carefully written to technically agree with the executive branch in a specific case but not establish precedent, because judges will be wary of setting off exactly this kind of constitutional crisis. And I say this because it's basically what the Democrats in the Senate have been doing with their dance around the filibuster. In the same way that they don't want to provoke the GOP into taking away the filibuster for good (even though it only ever helps the GOP), the judiciary will want to avoid provoking the executive into completely disregarding any of their rulings. RBG's dissents will be scathing, though.
posted by tobascodagama at 7:40 AM on February 6 [9 favorites]


I've seen this shit repeated by right-wing loons on social media but the administration's press secretary repeating this shit makes my blood boil.

One of these things is not just like the other.
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:41 AM on February 6 [3 favorites]


MARBURY V MADISON YOU MOUTHBREATHING FUCKS.

I believe the correct precedent for this administration, which we already know wants to take Jackson as a model, is Worcester v. Georgia.
posted by tobascodagama at 7:42 AM on February 6 [6 favorites]


We don't really have a basis to speculate on what's going to happen to Trump's EOs in the SCOTUS until we know how many Justices there will be until the midterms.
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:43 AM on February 6


US popcorn exports in doubt, warns head of Mexican cinema chain (Grauniad)

You DO NOT want to piss off Orville Redenbacher.

/me grabs tub of popcorn (unbelievable discount due to glut; grab two!), pulls up chair.
posted by notyou at 7:44 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Wait, who is paying protestors? Where can I apply? It would be great if I had a job doing what I love!
posted by Cookiebastard at 7:44 AM on February 6 [31 favorites]


I believe the correct precedent for this administration, which we already know wants to take Jackson as a model, is Worcester v. Georgia.

"We tried explaining Worcester v. Georgia to the President, but as soon as he heard "Worcester" he wouldn't stop asking when the steaks would be served."
posted by Pope Guilty at 7:45 AM on February 6 [10 favorites]


I believe the correct precedent for this administration, which we already know wants to take Jackson as a model, is Worcester v. Georgia.

"John Roberts has made his decision, now let him enforce it without the help of US Marshals that are under control of the Attorney General."
posted by Talez at 7:50 AM on February 6 [5 favorites]


I hesitate to share this "worst case scenario" because post because reading it kind of gave me an anxiety attack this morning, and I'm sure it will be triggering as hell for a lot of people, and I'm not sure that's helpful... Panic and hysteria aren't very useful emotions for resistance, and I recognize some similarity between this, and the dark fantasies the right wing entertains about death panels etc.

Still I'm sharing it, because I kind of think an outcome like what is described there could be the end result of right wing policies whether or not they actually intend it to be. Skip to the next comment now if you're not up for a summary of a terrible thought...

The basic scenario under consideration is, what happens if we get closed borders (perhaps policed by drones), and then climate change gets really bad? What happens to people who are trapped in tiny poor countries that are suddenly half under water and incapable of growing sufficient food, when they try to leave those countries, and run into militarized borders?

Is what happens to them functionally different from genocide on a global scale? Whether or not the border-closers and climate-change-promoters intend that result?

This thought is making me so sad I am having trouble concentrating at work...
posted by OnceUponATime at 7:54 AM on February 6 [15 favorites]


Never Believe the Republicans’ B.S. Ever Again "It is through events like Benghazi that we see just how paper-thin the GOP’s commitments to its most defining ideals really are. What Republicans have held forth as fundamental principles are, thanks to Trump’s election, revealed as hollow bromides and shibboleths. Trump will likely be president for at least four years; but starting now, and through the eventual end of GOP rule, we never have to take Republican sanctimony at face value again, and their phoniness ought to be a commanding narrative of the Trump era."
posted by T.D. Strange at 7:59 AM on February 6 [83 favorites]


The basic scenario under consideration is, what happens if we get closed borders (perhaps policed by drones), and then climate change gets really bad? What happens to people who are trapped in tiny poor countries that are suddenly half under water and incapable of growing sufficient food, when they try to leave those countries, and run into militarized borders?

Isn't this what the Project for the New American Century was anticipating?
posted by CheesesOfBrazil at 8:00 AM on February 6 [4 favorites]


Arguing about the theoretical, written, and actual limits to The Posse Comitatus Act used to be a fun "someone's wrong on the Internet" (gasp!) game, and I really hope it stays that way.
posted by fragmede at 8:15 AM on February 6 [3 favorites]




PNAC basically thought that we could easily knock over Iraq and similar nations and establish a Pax Americana where everybody was too afraid of our military to stand up to us, establishing the US as the de facto ruler of the world.

There's a reason "reality-based" became such a thing when the Bush admin recruited so heavily from them.
posted by Pope Guilty at 8:19 AM on February 6 [3 favorites]


So I'm finally catching up on the news from the weekend, and that NYTimes article has been linked and discussed several times already, but it's an amazing piece of the historical record.

But this bit of - shade, I guess? - is not to be missed:

Visitors to the Oval Office say Mr. Trump is obsessed with the décor — it is both a totem of a victory that validates him as a serious person and an image-burnishing backdrop — so he has told his staff to schedule as many televised events in the room as possible.

To pass the time between meetings, Mr. Trump gives quick tours to visitors, highlighting little tweaks he has made after initially expecting he would have to pay for them himself.

Flanking his desk are portraits of Presidents Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson. He will linger on the opulence of the newly hung golden drapes, which he told a recent visitor were once used by Franklin D. Roosevelt but in fact were patterned for Bill Clinton. For a man who sometimes has trouble concentrating on policy memos, Mr. Trump was delighted to page through a book that offered him 17 window covering options.


Wow. A mean-spirited, arrogant, shallow, vain, pompous little man, in so far over his own head that he doesn't even know how badly he's doing.
posted by RedOrGreen at 8:34 AM on February 6 [79 favorites]


Ooh that NYT article rustled his jimmies.

@realDonaldTrump

The failing @nytimes writes total fiction concerning me. They have gotten it wrong for two years, and now are making up stories & sources!

posted by Rust Moranis at 8:35 AM on February 6 [32 favorites]


He'll complain to them about "fake news."
He'll compare himself to Tom Brady & the Patriots.
He'll say how he knew the Patriots would win all along (even though he left the party when they were losing.)
But he'll include some kid of putdown on Brady, like how he was on the Time magazine cover more times.
Later, he'll brag about the standing ovation he got from them, even though he's their commander and they're pretty much required to stand and applaud.

He also has to say something about how he is the one calling the shots and how they are the best shots.


Also, "CENTCOM, SOCOM, so great to be with you today. You ask people, they'll tell you, nobody cares more about COMs than Donald J. Trump does.
posted by Rykey at 8:37 AM on February 6 [1 favorite]


PNAC basically thought that we could easily knock over Iraq and similar nations and establish a Pax Americana where everybody was too afraid of our military to stand up to us, establishing the US as the de facto ruler of the world.

That's the thing about urban warfare and galvanized insurgencies. You lose your numbers advantage and they never go away. They can make a conflict go on longer than the people of the occupying nation are willing to bear.

It took three weeks to push Saddam out. We never won the subsequent insurgency over eight years.
posted by Talez at 8:38 AM on February 6 [8 favorites]


Trump should be triggered to claim that news stories about him are completely made up, as often as possible.
posted by thelonius at 8:39 AM on February 6 [9 favorites]


I desperately want to know who the key source was for that NYT article.

Reince, was that you? Blink twice if you need an exfiltration.

(Reince's journey from standard issue party hack to... whatever he is now, is going to make a fascinating book some day, if we all survive the next few years.)
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:42 AM on February 6 [6 favorites]


I would say it is a remarkably ballsy move to just draft a document that says you're going to be put in one of the most powerful committees and not mention that. So much so (and especially given that Trump then took a lot of flak), that I wonder if Bannon has rather overplayed his hand by making his boss look like an idiot twice in a week.

He probably assumed that twice was just margin of error given how many times Trump looks like an idiot in any seven day period.
posted by phearlez at 8:42 AM on February 6 [5 favorites]


(Reince's journey from standard issue party hack to... whatever he is now, is going to make a fascinating book some day, if we all survive the next few years.)

Or a Saw movie.
posted by Etrigan at 8:46 AM on February 6 [10 favorites]


@nytimes
Aides in the White House confer in the dark because they cannot figure out how to operate the light switches


@JohnDingell Retweeted The New York Times
Luckily for them, setting the Constitution on fire provides at least a bit of working light.

---

National treasure John Dingell.
posted by chris24 at 8:47 AM on February 6 [54 favorites]


They have gotten it wrong for two years, and now are making up stories & sources!

So could the NY Times sue for libel without giving up the identity of their sources?
posted by peeedro at 8:47 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


I don't think we're shouldn't worry too much about the 'astroturf protesters' thing. This is a lie Trump's people and Republicans are putting out to try convince their base everything is OK and not to worry. (Trump probably believes the protests are fake and a lot of his supporters do, but don't think many Republican politicians are dumb enough to believe that.)

The people showing at protests, many of whom weren't politically active before, are going to vote in upcoming off-year elections, even in gerrymandered red districts.

I'm remembering how my own disgust at Bush's re-election in 2004 convinced me to register to vote and start paying more attention to politics, and eventually converted me from a non-voter to an active Democrat. I think this going to happen on a massive scale now, and the protests are only the tip of the iceberg. For everybody knitting themselves a hat with ears and going to a march, there are people resolving to make sure they're registered and make sure this doesn't happen again.

I think people in our country are starting to realize they can't take democracy for granted anymore.
posted by nangar at 8:52 AM on February 6 [34 favorites]


soren_lorensen: I desperately want to know who the key source was for that NYT article.

@BraddJaffy states: "Bannon, Spicer, Christie, Ruddy and Fleischer spoke on the record"
posted by slipthought at 8:53 AM on February 6 [1 favorite]


What Republicans have held forth as fundamental principles are, thanks to Trump’s election, revealed as hollow bromides and shibboleths.

this has been painfully obvious to most thinking people for much longer than that
posted by entropicamericana at 8:53 AM on February 6 [25 favorites]


Do we know if there is a press briefing scheduled for today and if so, what time?
posted by mmascolino at 8:54 AM on February 6


Somehow don't think it was Bannon or Spicer with the juicy bathrobe tidbits (oh, ew, sorry about that). Christie, you sly dog.
posted by soren_lorensen at 8:54 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Do we know if there is a press briefing scheduled for today and if so, what time?

Last week, Spicer had said they might take questions on the plane back to DC tonight, but I don't know if that will actually happen.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:56 AM on February 6


the plane back to DC tonight

The plane. Can you imagine? It must be like being trapped on David Crosby's tour bus, before he went to jail and quit freebasing.
posted by thelonius at 8:58 AM on February 6 [7 favorites]


@ddale8
Why Obamacare repeal is going so slowly: headlines today in Iowa, North Carolina. [pix of front pages]


Des Moines Register: Obamacare has eased hospitals' burdens of caring for uninsured

Charlotte Observer: ACA repeal could cost Mecklenburg and NC millions in health funding
posted by chris24 at 8:59 AM on February 6 [16 favorites]


Somehow don't think it was Bannon or Spicer with the juicy bathrobe tidbits (oh, ew, sorry about that). Christie, you sly dog.

His name is Leak.
posted by Rust Moranis at 9:03 AM on February 6 [32 favorites]


Obama photographer Pete Souza trolling the Trump folks.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 9:05 AM on February 6 [28 favorites]


I would say it is a remarkably ballsy move to just draft a document that says you're going to be put in one of the most powerful committees and not mention that. So much so (and especially given that Trump then took a lot of flak), that I wonder if Bannon has rather overplayed his hand by making his boss look like an idiot twice in a week.

I think Bannon told him the EO would put him on the NSC, but Trump didn't know who is usually on it, that it would be unusual to have Bannon on it, and even what the NSC is. Hence the "wasn't fully briefed on the details."
posted by Mavri at 9:07 AM on February 6 [42 favorites]


Probably right, since the President did say "there's no formal chain of command around here" and he appears to be correct.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 9:08 AM on February 6 [1 favorite]


David Frum, The Atlantic: How to Beat Trump
Some advice from the right to the left, on how to effectively oppose the current president
...

But if you are building a movement to protect American democracy from the authoritarianism of the Trump administration, you should remember that the goal is to gain allies among people who would not normally agree with you. Just as the iconography of your protest should originate in the great American mainstream, the core demand of your movement should likewise be easy to explain and plausibly acceptable to that mainstream, stretching from Bernie voters to Romney donors.
...

Protests can energize people and overawe governments. But it is the steady and often tedious work of organization that sustains democracy—and can change the world. Protests are useful mostly to the extent that they mobilize people to participate in the follow-up meetings to realize the protest’s goals. Collect names and addresses. Form Facebook groups. Keep in touch. Don’t argue: recruit. Meet in real space as well as online. Serve cake. Make your presence felt on your local elected officials not just once, but day after day, week in, week out. Make them feel that they could lose their individual seats if they do not heed you. They feel the pressure from lobbyists all the time…to succeed, you should be equally focused and persistent. And that requires above all: be motivated by hope, not outrage.
posted by ZeusHumms at 9:10 AM on February 6 [13 favorites]


I don't think we're shouldn't worry too much about the 'astroturf protesters' thing. ... The people showing at protests, many of whom weren't politically active before, are going to vote in upcoming off-year elections, even in gerrymandered red districts.

Perhaps just as importantly, if not moreso, most of them are calling their congressfolk. So even if DJT truly believes the protesters are fake, Congress knows different.
posted by tobascodagama at 9:13 AM on February 6 [6 favorites]


Is David Frum really the person we should be taking "here's how not to end up being a collaborator with right-wing post-truth ideology" lessons from?
posted by tivalasvegas at 9:13 AM on February 6 [34 favorites]


I'll take it where I can get it, but it really does kinda reek of "lemme 'splain how to do what you're already doing."
posted by aspersioncast at 9:15 AM on February 6 [13 favorites]


Fixed this for you, Mr. Frum:

But if you want to join the movement to protect American democracy from the authoritarianism of the Trump administration, you should remember that their goal is to protect and uplift people who you would not normally give two shits about. Just as the iconography of their protest will originate in the great history of American dissent and resistance, the core demand for your participation shouldn't require an easy explanation or acceptability to the mainstream, because this is about saving our Republic, motherfucker, get the hell over yourself.
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:16 AM on February 6 [10 favorites]


Yeah I'm not particularly interested in David Frum's advice about how we should make sure not to look too angry while his buddies eagerly burn the constitution and risk the extinction of humanity over a promise of tax cuts.
posted by Rust Moranis at 9:17 AM on February 6 [17 favorites]


Is David Frum really the person we should be taking "here's how not to end up being a collaborator with right-wing post-truth ideology" lessons from?

As with all sources of information, we need to pay attention to the biases and assumptions inherent. However, that does not mean there isn't something worth listening to/learning from. (I haven't read his article yet, just making a generalized point).
posted by nubs at 9:18 AM on February 6 [4 favorites]


Give Neil Gorsuch an Up-Or-Down Vote
Democrats are threatening to hold up a qualified Supreme Court nominee for one reason: to hurt Donald Trump.
By SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL
So why would Democrats contemplate doing something so radical and out of the mainstream now — against a superbly qualified judge Democrats didn’t raise objections to before, a man Democrats have praised many times since?

Turns out, much of the opposition we’re seeing from far left groups and Democratic senators isn’t really about Judge Gorsuch at all. It’s about President Donald Trump.
I checked for any signs of satire but none were detected. This is satire right? He can't be this fucking obtuse that he'd write this, right?
posted by Talez at 9:18 AM on February 6 [79 favorites]


So even if DJT truly believes the protesters are fake, Congress knows different.

They still deny it. Rubio tweeted a couple of times about "left-wing radicals" influencing the Senate.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 9:19 AM on February 6


mitch mcconnell: least self-aware being this side of a single-celled organism or world's greatest troll? it's a toss-up
posted by entropicamericana at 9:21 AM on February 6 [12 favorites]


This is satire right? He can't be this fucking obtuse that he'd write this, right?

He knows exactly what he's doing. He saw that there is no longer any penalty whatsoever for straight-up lying.
posted by Etrigan at 9:21 AM on February 6 [61 favorites]


They still deny it. Rubio tweeted a couple of times about "left-wing radicals" influencing the Senate.

I guarantee you none of these assholes actually believe this. They're all repeating the same talking point verbatim, they know it's a lie, they don't care.
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:21 AM on February 6 [13 favorites]


....i'm really kinda stuck on this bit here:

"....despite Mr. Trump’s anger that he was not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed giving his chief strategist a seat on the National Security Council...."

from the NYT article linked above

whatthefuck?!!
posted by The_Auditor at 9:22 AM on February 6 [21 favorites]


Since Trump whenever I'm on social media I think I need a new emoji for "appreciative chuckle followed by half-sob"

That's pretty much what I'm using favorites to mean at this point.
posted by skycrashesdown at 9:23 AM on February 6 [38 favorites]


I invite Leader Schumer and his party, who repeatedly declared how necessary it was to have nine justices on the court, to now follow through on their refrain of “we need nine” by giving this tremendously well-qualified nominee fair consideration and an up-or-down vote.

Hmm how about: go fuck yourself, you malignant putty-faced sludge golem
posted by theodolite at 9:24 AM on February 6 [40 favorites]


Also, is "The failing @nytimes writes total fiction concerning me" even English?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 9:25 AM on February 6


I don't mind sharing Frum's writing when he's saying things that might shift some otherwise unreached folks over to the side of light. But nobody who is normally dem-leaning should ever forget that this is someone who got drummed out for being insufficently nutso, kept his career going by being this nominal voice of republican sanity, then wrote about how despite all that he'd be voting straight R ticket in the next election because best chance blah blah blah whatever.

He will wave the non-partisan flag as long as it's useful to him in getting paid or invited to parties but when the rubber hits the road he'll support a group even after they treat him like a Trump-paid hooker treats a russian hotel mattress. See also: John McCain.
posted by phearlez at 9:25 AM on February 6 [7 favorites]


"The failing @nytimes writes total fiction concerning me" even English?

There's nothing wrong with that sentence grammatically, that I can see.
posted by thelonius at 9:27 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Well, I never thought I'd agree with Ted Cruz about anything, but Mitch McConnell is a damned liar.

Guess who's gonna getting a fax from me today.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 9:27 AM on February 6 [4 favorites]


Now now, let's not do fake news. There is no evidence that Trump ever *paid* Russian hookers to do anything
posted by tivalasvegas at 9:27 AM on February 6 [9 favorites]


roomthreeseventeen: Also, is "The failing @nytimes writes total fiction concerning me" even English?

I'm not sure, but he's right to be concerned, if that's what he meant. It it's not, it should be.
posted by Too-Ticky at 9:28 AM on February 6 [1 favorite]


not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed

No surprise. He's got previous.... "I don't read leases... I just sign them" (YT)
posted by Mister Bijou at 9:29 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Sounds like the Senate Dems are going to be rabble-rousing on the floor until the De Vos vote tomorrow.

I really really REALLLY REALLY A LOT hope that the resistance to De Vos (who is obviously awful) isn't just a one-off for their constituencies. Public education is something that a whole lot of people ar are ready to go to bat for, but she's not any worse than Puzder or any of the rest of the clown car of nominees.
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:29 AM on February 6 [10 favorites]


Tsk, forgetting my own rules. You're right. Trump-hired.
posted by phearlez at 9:29 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


David Frum bitterly disappointed me by never giving his column a cutesy name like "Frum Sea to Shining Sea" or "Frum Here to Eternity." For that reason alone, he should be shunned and ignored.

Seriously, what kind of monster is given a pun-rich last name and doesn't use it all the time?
posted by Joey Michaels at 9:31 AM on February 6 [18 favorites]


Btw, there's a ton of other batshit stuff in that NYT story I posted, like Trump getting a new tv dining room to watch cable news and the only family photo behind his desk being of his father. It's all a pretty disturbing article that goes well beyond people not knowing how to work the light switches.

Note well, too, that the NYT makes a point of mentioning the large number of anonymous sources they had for that story. The Trump White House would seem to be a leak festival.
posted by Gelatin at 9:32 AM on February 6 [14 favorites]


Meanwhile I'll just be watching a livestream of the Judiciary Committee of my state assembly not debate an absolutely heinous abortion bill. There's one woman on the committee. Fuck everything.
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:33 AM on February 6 [15 favorites]


mitch mcconnell: least self-aware being this side of a single-celled organism or world's greatest troll? it's a toss-up

It's a power move- he knows he's full of shit and he's demonstrating that he's powerful enough that it doesn't matter.
posted by Pope Guilty at 9:34 AM on February 6 [18 favorites]


Note well, too, that the NYT makes a point of mentioning the large number of anonymous sources they had for that story.

Journos correct me, but the process-of-elimination game in trying to identify potential leakers fails here, because I can be on the record for part of an interview, and an "anonymous source" on the rest of it, right?
posted by adamgreenfield at 9:36 AM on February 6 [1 favorite]


Oh lol the one woman on the committee has a pussy hat sitting in front of her on the table. And she's currently speaking up for women. You go. She's going to get a thank-you tweet.
posted by soren_lorensen at 9:37 AM on February 6 [58 favorites]


David Frum, god of the South Pacific's least popular cargo cult
posted by theodolite at 9:37 AM on February 6 [17 favorites]


So why would Democrats contemplate doing something so radical and out of the mainstream

The chutzpah of these people.
posted by FelliniBlank at 9:39 AM on February 6 [7 favorites]


wonder where they will find a conservative jurist who hasn't preemptively torpedoed their nomination by lying on their CV.

Since I correctly called the last Gorsuch scandal, I'm going to call this one too. He probably went twice, thus enough that he could say he was a "member", so thus not a lie to put it on his resume, but not enough to demonstrate true commitment to it.
posted by corb at 9:40 AM on February 6 [7 favorites]


@nielslesniewski: Senator Murray informs the Senate that Democrats will be speaking on the floor for the next 24 hours or so.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 9:43 AM on February 6 [19 favorites]


It's not grammatically wrong, but it is nevertheless worrying. Why would he write "concerning me" where he could have written "about me" or, better yet, "re. me," and had room to sprinkle the tweet with "Sad!"s if not that his fragile, sleepstarved, shriveling brain is now barely blinking under its ever-heavier golden cloak of amyloid plaque?
posted by Don Pepino at 9:43 AM on February 6 [6 favorites]


wonder where they will find a conservative jurist who hasn't preemptively torpedoed their nomination by lying on their CV.

In what world does the GOP give a shit?
posted by Pope Guilty at 9:44 AM on February 6 [13 favorites]


"It is through events like Benghazi that we see just how paper-thin the GOP’s commitments to its most defining ideals really are.

See also:

Questioning the patriotism of Purple-Heart recipients and amputee vets (Kerry, Cleland, Baldwin, etc.)
posted by darkstar at 9:52 AM on February 6 [14 favorites]


Senator Murray informs the Senate that Democrats will be speaking on the floor for the next 24 hours or so.

ITSHAPPENING.gif
posted by Etrigan at 9:56 AM on February 6 [20 favorites]


"It is through events like Benghazi that we see just how paper-thin the GOP’s commitments to its most defining ideals really are.

If you were politically aware at any point since about 1992 and haven't figured this out yet, I don't know what to tell you.
posted by Pope Guilty at 9:56 AM on February 6 [19 favorites]


In across-the-pond news, the Speaker of the Commons has told MPs that he's not inclined to invite the White House occupant to speak at Westminster Hall during a state visit -- a decision where the Speaker has more authority than the prime minister. Number 10 anonymously suggested that there wasn't any firm plan for such a speech anyway:
Pointing out that neither Ronald Reagan nor George W Bush addressed Westminster Hall during their state visits, the source said: “The indication is he wants high visibility visits with key members of the Royal family.” They suggested that the focus would be on parades, the military and a ceremonial guard.
He just wants to ride around in a gold carriage with the Queen. Of course he does.
posted by holgate at 9:58 AM on February 6 [41 favorites]


NPR: The Theory That Explains The Anger Of Our Political Moment
[Relative Deprivation is] maybe not the most mind-blowing of theories — threaten to take something away from people that they think should be theirs, and they get mad.

But it is an elegant explanation for so much of the turmoil of the current political climate, when many groups seem to fear they could be losing out on what they once had.
posted by ZeusHumms at 10:05 AM on February 6 [7 favorites]


Since the Republicans declared that consideration of Garland should be suspended because the Presidency was changing in a year, the Democrats should say they're suspending consideration of Gorsuch until they can see whether Trump lasts a year.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 10:08 AM on February 6 [32 favorites]


He just wants to ride around in a gold carriage with the Queen. Of course he does.

Sans Prince Charles...
Members of the Republican politician’s staff have warned that Prince Charles, Queen Elizabeth’s son, should not “lecture” him on climate change during the visit in case the fiery politician “erupts” in return, The Sunday Times reports. He has reportedly expressed a preference that the younger generation of royals, such as Prince Charles’ sons William and Harry, meet him instead.
Independent
posted by Mister Bijou at 10:10 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


He has reportedly expressed a preference that the younger generation of royals, such as Prince Charles’ sons William and Harry, meet him instead.

Happily, Harry has just the thing to wear.
posted by Copronymus at 10:12 AM on February 6 [88 favorites]


I wonder how well the Queen can drive on off road courses. Just in case the opportunity to show off presents itself.
posted by ZeusHumms at 10:13 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


in case the fiery politician “erupts” in return

if Trump commits a bodily offense against the Prince y'all can legally imprison him in the Tower of London indefinitely right oh please oh please oh please
posted by prize bull octorok at 10:14 AM on February 6 [31 favorites]


a leak festival.

This presidency is nothing but pee jokes.
posted by emjaybee at 10:14 AM on February 6 [12 favorites]


Check out Faxzero.com's list of most faxed Congresscritters! People have been slamming Toomey's office like mad with faxes--over 2000 per day. It'd be awesome to see Tillis' name climb up, since he's been asking for comments on DeVos.
Faxes sent in the last 7 days:
1: Sen. Pat Toomey, Pennsylvania (R). Number of faxes sent: 17,775
2: Sen. John Cornyn, Texas (R). Number of faxes sent: 2,182
3: Sen. Dianne Feinstein, California (D). Number of faxes sent: 1,827
4: Sen. John McCain, Arizona (R). Number of faxes sent: 1,540
5: Sen. Jeff Flake, Arizona (R). Number of faxes sent: 1,475
6: Sen. Dean Heller, Nevada (R). Number of faxes sent: 1,338
7: Sen. Cory Gardner, Colorado (R). Number of faxes sent: 1,179
8: Sen. Thom Tillis, North Carolina (R). Number of faxes sent: 1,117
9: Sen. Deb Fischer, Nebraska (R). Number of faxes sent: 1,116
10: Sen. Robert Casey, Pennsylvania (D). Number of faxes sent: 1,061
Every fax, call, or email is one more thing to divert their attention from fucking us all over with their grotesque legislative proposals.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 10:15 AM on February 6 [16 favorites]


Do Royals still know how to duel?
posted by emjaybee at 10:15 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


"Relative deprivation" also explains the popularity of the Left Behind book series.
posted by ZeusHumms at 10:16 AM on February 6 [3 favorites]


Here's a fun Twitter war going on.

Mediate: CNN’s Choice Not To Feature Conway During Yesterday’s Shows Was Reportedly Because Of ‘Credibility’ Issues http://bit.ly/2kdII1g

Kellyanne: False. I could do no live Sunday shows this week BC of family. Plus, I was invited onto CNN today & tomorrow. CNN Brass on those emails

CNN Communications: . @KellyannePolls was offered to SOTU on Sunday by the White House. We passed. Those are the facts.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 10:16 AM on February 6 [96 favorites]


I have faith that the British will seize the opportunity to launch the largest demonstration against a sitting US President, ever.
posted by monospace at 10:16 AM on February 6 [30 favorites]


Since the Republicans declared that consideration of Garland should be suspended because the Presidency was changing in a year, the Democrats should say they're suspending consideration of Gorsuch until they can see whether Trump lasts a year.

Seeing as he's already registered his candidacy it seems appropriate to wait until the end of the 2020 campaign.
posted by polyhedron at 10:17 AM on February 6 [39 favorites]


I'm really proud of how Pennsylvanians have slammed Toomey. I really give a lot of credit to the original Philadelphia Tuesdays with Toomey for demonstrating early and often that this dude does not give a single solitary fuck about the opinions of his constituency.
posted by soren_lorensen at 10:18 AM on February 6 [17 favorites]


The fact Asshat wants the pomp of his UK visit but not to do any actual work more or less sums up his life so much.

Ugh.
posted by Kitteh at 10:18 AM on February 6 [18 favorites]


Someone, probably here on metafilter, suggested using faxzero with 5calls.org - when I looked the scripts on 5calls were pretty short.

Is it better to have a full formal written letter to be faxed to your congressperson or will the bare "I am INFJ a constituient from Internetland, I would like the seantor to vote HELL NO on DeVos" do?
posted by INFJ at 10:18 AM on February 6


I wonder how well the Queen can drive on off road courses.
She could do what she did to King Abdullah.
posted by elgilito at 10:19 AM on February 6 [31 favorites]


> Do Royals still know how to duel?

Not sure about that, but Princes Charles, William and Harry are all ex-services (Royal Navy, Royal Air Force and British Army, respectively). There are many things to criticise about the Royal family, but I assume they can at least handle a weapon.
posted by Nice Guy Mike at 10:19 AM on February 6 [4 favorites]


Happily, Harry has just the thing to wear.

For those who don't get the joke (all three of you), Prince Harry was photographed wearing a swastika armband at a colonial themed birthday party. He said his costume was the Afrika Korps but it generated a shitton of "what the fuck" from everyone who wasn't a racist bigot.
posted by Talez at 10:19 AM on February 6 [19 favorites]


Journos correct me, but the process-of-elimination game in trying to identify potential leakers fails here, because I can be on the record for part of an interview, and an "anonymous source" on the rest of it, right?

Not a journalist but that's been my understanding too. You can make multiple statements with multiple attributions for a single article. You'd have to have an extremely accommodating editor to get away with more than two per source but that's enough to muddy the trail.
posted by scalefree at 10:20 AM on February 6 [4 favorites]


Since the Republicans declared that consideration of Garland should be suspended because the Presidency was changing in a year, the Democrats should say they're suspending consideration of Gorsuch until they can see whether Trump lasts a year.

I haven't heard the Democrats stress that this president doesn't have a mandate, and that the majority of the U.S. population preferred a more progressive candidate.

People have been slamming Toomey's office like mad with faxes--over 2000 per day.

Toomey's offices had shut down their phones for a while so you couldn't even leave voicemails, even if their voicemail wasn't full. A Pennsylvania teacher did raise enough money to Buy Toomey's Vote, but I don't think he's commented on that.
posted by gladly at 10:20 AM on February 6 [7 favorites]


One of the things that makes me uncomfortable the internet's re-appraisal of Harry as a roguish good-time boy is his Nazi uniform. Whenever The Fug Girls post about him I want to throw that image in their mentions.
posted by pxe2000 at 10:22 AM on February 6 [4 favorites]


Is it better to have a full formal written letter to be faxed to your congressperson or will the bare "I am INFJ a constituient from Internetland, I would like the seantor to vote HELL NO on DeVos" do?

I've heard that a brief paragraph or two is best, unless you have a personal anecdote/experience to bear. If your experience is sufficiently relevant/heartwarming/heart string tugging, your congressperson might reference it on the floor (i.e. "I heard from a constituent who said...").
posted by yasaman at 10:23 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


INFJ: Is it better to have a full formal written letter to be faxed to your congressperson or will the bare "I am INFJ a constituient from Internetland, I would like the seantor to vote HELL NO on DeVos" do?

I don't know what's most effective, but I did a pdf using a 96 point font that filled the page with "No on DeVos and Sessions!" But for all I know they use a digital fax system that sends public-facing faxes like this directly into the trash.
posted by bluecore at 10:26 AM on February 6 [3 favorites]


I'm not sure how effective it is, but my letter-to-senator format is


RE: Vote yes/no on $thing

Dear Congresscritter,

I'm writing today to urge you to vote yes/no on $thing, for the following reason:

* bullet
* bullet
* bullet

In conclusion, do/don't do the thing.

Sincerely,
Soren Lorensen
posted by soren_lorensen at 10:27 AM on February 6 [30 favorites]


For those who don't get the joke (all three of you), Prince Harry was photographed wearing a swastika armband at a colonial themed birthday party. He said his costume was the Afrika Korps but it generated a shitton of "what the fuck" from everyone who wasn't a racist bigot.

The best part was when the Royal Family said they were going to send him to Auschwitz to think about what he did, and the authorities who run the memorial said "No thanks, stay away".
posted by thelonius at 10:27 AM on February 6 [17 favorites]


One of the things that makes me uncomfortable the internet's re-appraisal of Harry as a roguish good-time boy is his Nazi uniform. Whenever The Fug Girls post about him I want to throw that image in their mentions.

I wouldn't be that worried. It was over a decade ago and he's grown the fuck up a lot. Joining the army really straightened him out a bit. It was an unwise decision at the time and I think it's gotten through his skull that we didn't win the war for his fuckwittery.
posted by Talez at 10:29 AM on February 6 [17 favorites]


I've faxed Toomey several times now. Just this morning it was:

I am your constituent from 18***.
I urge you to vote NO on DeVos.

That is all. No more time or thought than that. Just a hatch in the 'no' side.
posted by Dashy at 10:35 AM on February 6 [5 favorites]


In the world of campaigning to save TV shows, fan campaigns sometimes do a mass mailing to get attention and make a point. For example, fans of the late TV show Jericho sent in large quantities of nuts, echoing a famous WWII quote. They also made a good point about the shows ratings, and giving it a fair chance. (The show got renewed, then canceled for good after ratings turned out to be worse. But it had that chance.)

I sometimes wonder if an influx of physical copies of the Constitution would get the attention of the Trump Administration, or certain members of Congress.
posted by ZeusHumms at 10:35 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


It'd be awesome to see Tillis' name climb up, since he's been asking for comments on DeVos.

Given that both my Senators are now opposing DeVos, and that non-constit faxes and calls go straight in the trash, is there anything else I (and other blue state folks) can do at this point? Or just wait and bite my nails?
posted by anastasiav at 10:36 AM on February 6 [3 favorites]


There were a couple of pro-Trump protesters at the Stop the Ban protest that I just got back from. One of them had a Trump/ Pence campaign sign, and one of them had a handmade sign that said "Iowa for Iowans."

At least it wasn't "Iowa for Iowons".
posted by juiceCake at 10:36 AM on February 6 [3 favorites]


I sometimes wonder if an influx of physical copies of the Constitution would get the attention of the Trump Administration, or certain members of Congress.

I had an idea the other day that I have been trying to spread, along those very lines. The ACLU sells pocket Constitutions at about $1/per. I bought 10 of them with the intention of highlighting various passages and sending them to the White House and perhaps other folks when I Need to make a point.

It'd be cool if other people did that, too.
posted by jammer at 10:38 AM on February 6 [7 favorites]


[I was traveling for a couple of days. Is this the current election thread? The election2016 tag is not helping me out this time.]
posted by HotToddy at 10:38 AM on February 6


I think of it as more the current political ongoing clusterfuck thread.
posted by Pope Guilty at 10:40 AM on February 6 [13 favorites]


[I was traveling for a couple of days. Is this the current election thread? The election2016 tag is not helping me out this time.]

Yes, this is the current thread. You'll want to switch to the 'potus45' tag.
posted by cjelli at 10:41 AM on February 6 [8 favorites]


1: Sen. Pat Toomey, Pennsylvania (R). Number of faxes sent: 17,775

Just to drive this home, that is more than 15,000 more than the next most faxed senator, and he deserves every single one of them.

If there were a way to send him real life Howlers, I have no doubt his offices would be fucking knee deep in them. I'm trying to figure out whether I have time to stop by Blick's this afternoon and buy materials to make a giant neon COWARD poster to hoist at tomorrow's Tuesdays with Toomey.

I am so disgusted with this man.
posted by joyceanmachine at 10:41 AM on February 6 [28 favorites]


Is this the current election thread? The election2016 tag is not helping me out this time.

It's less of an election thread and more of a "let's-resist-like-hell-and-gum-up-the-legislative-works-party-time-thread", but ya.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 10:41 AM on February 6 [10 favorites]


@KellyannePolls was offered to SOTU on Sunday by the White House. We passed. Those are the facts.

White House: SOTU?
CNN: STFU.
posted by kirkaracha at 10:46 AM on February 6 [11 favorites]


Oh god. The tag is now potus45. It really happened.
posted by HotToddy at 10:48 AM on February 6 [14 favorites]


Since the Republicans declared that consideration of Garland should be suspended because the Presidency was changing in a year, the Democrats should say

8-Justices-4-Ever. Since the Presidency may change in 4 years, consideration of ALL nominees should be suspended.
posted by mikelieman at 10:49 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Since the Presidency may change in 4 years, consideration of ALL nominees should be suspended.

The 2020 race has begun, and we have to honor the McConnell Rule.
posted by NoxAeternum at 10:55 AM on February 6 [44 favorites]




"I call my own shots, largely based on an accumulation of data"

Wait, is this the MeTa where people are posting euphemisms for masturbation?
posted by Hairy Lobster at 11:01 AM on February 6 [12 favorites]


Martellus Bennett to sit out Patriots' White House trip after Super Bowl win

Chicago Bears tend to do pretty well when they leave town. Nice to see they will also do good.
posted by srboisvert at 11:02 AM on February 6 [4 favorites]


And you like me and I like you," Trump says at address of senior US commanders in Florida.

Come on. That reads like a Dr. Seuss book.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 11:03 AM on February 6 [7 favorites]


And telling CENTCOM about how the lying media doesn't report on terror attacks! Good thing their AOR doesn't include Bowling Green!
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 11:04 AM on February 6 [1 favorite]


hmm German IC unable to find any trace of russian media manipulation...
posted by xcasex at 11:04 AM on February 6


For those of you, like me, who don't know all the acronyms: CENTCOM is, unsurprisingly, short for "United States Central Command"
posted by INFJ at 11:06 AM on February 6 [3 favorites]


And you like me and I like you," Trump says at address of senior US commanders in Florida.

Yes, that massive guffaw you just heard was courtesy of Sally Field.
posted by hangashore at 11:07 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


flatluigi: People aren't surprised by the actions taking place, they're surprised at how fast and how blatant they are. It's been 16 days since Trump came into power. Nixon took years to get to this place in his presidency.

Nixon was president in the pre-internet days, before 24/7 news coverage, and everything that comes with insta-facts (and fakes). _rump and Pres. Bannon are operating this fast to keep people off-balanced, throwing out everything so it's hard to keep up, just like in the primaries and the run-up to the election.

Throw enough flash-bangs and you have everyone constantly disoriented. At least that seems like the tactic to me, with the added hyper-business tactic of shoot for the stars and hit the moon - ban all immigrants from 7 countries from entering the US, people (rightly) flip out, then roll back the ban on visa holders so you can say "look, now we're reacting to protesters, see how reasonable we are!" So those people who aren't impacted and can't look beyond their limited, homogeneous world say "that Donny sure is sticking it to the liberals, and he's even addressing their demands! He's really getting things done!"

Shock and awe, divide and conquer.
posted by filthy light thief at 11:09 AM on February 6 [8 favorites]


And you like me and I like you," Trump says at address of senior US commanders in Florida

dressed as a big purple dinosaur.
posted by dirigibleman at 11:10 AM on February 6 [15 favorites]


zachlipton: I'm still wondering about the 2% of people who supported Hillary Clinton and believed she was an actual demon.

Better the devil you know?
posted by filthy light thief at 11:10 AM on February 6 [6 favorites]


I'm still wondering about the 2% of people who supported Hillary Clinton and believed she was an actual demon.

Some people are able to put aside their disgusting anti-demon prejudices and vote for the better candidate without regard as to who rose from which sulfurous pit.
posted by Etrigan at 11:12 AM on February 6 [18 favorites]


"And you like me and I like you," Trump says..."
dressed as a big purple dinosaur.

IS NOTHING SACRED ANYMORE??
posted by otenba at 11:14 AM on February 6 [1 favorite]


"You voted for Hillary Clinton?! I thought you said she was a bat-winged monstrosity from deepest Tartarus, the direct spawn of Satan, here to bring ruin to humanity!"

"She is, but have you seen the shit Donald Trump was saying?"
posted by Pope Guilty at 11:15 AM on February 6 [26 favorites]


Better the devil you know?

Not linking your comment to this was the crime of the century.
posted by Talez at 11:18 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Shock and awe, divide and conquer.

They're not awing, dividing, or conquering, though, and shock's about to leave town.
posted by kirkaracha at 11:19 AM on February 6 [5 favorites]


Chomsky on punching Nazis.
Wrong in principle, and tactically self-destructive. When we move to the arena of violence, the most brutal guys win — and that's not us.
posted by Coventry at 11:23 AM on February 6 [12 favorites]


Donald Trump would not be welcome to address parliament during his state visit, the Commons Speaker, John Bercow, has said in an unprecedented intervention that drew applause and cheers from MPs.
posted by adamvasco at 11:24 AM on February 6 [28 favorites]


Chomsky's totally right, which is why this comment is written in German
posted by prize bull octorok at 11:25 AM on February 6 [47 favorites]


via WaPo: Trump tells military leaders "the very, very dishonest press" don't report on some terror attacks because "they have their reasons."
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 11:29 AM on February 6 [5 favorites]


Chomsky's totally right, which is why this comment is written in German

There's a difference between fighting for survival and fighting for a dominance display. There are people in the nazi movement who will happily escalate a punch to murder in retribution. It's asking who can be the most brutal in a brutality competition. Even if you're willing to go down this sort of path, this is not a battle you will win in anything but a pyrrhic fashion.

But I'm not your mother. You have agency.
posted by Talez at 11:30 AM on February 6 [6 favorites]


ban all immigrants from 7 countries from entering the US, people (rightly) flip out, then roll back the ban on visa holders so you can say "look, now we're reacting to protesters, see how reasonable we are!"

They are showing no signs of doing this at all right now. Not even a hint.
posted by Jalliah at 11:30 AM on February 6 [8 favorites]


there are lots of great arguments to make in favor of pacifism, but "Nazis are bigger and stronger than us" is weak, defeatist garbage.
posted by prize bull octorok at 11:31 AM on February 6 [46 favorites]


What Republicans have held forth as fundamental principles are, thanks to Trump’s election, revealed as hollow bromides and shibboleths.

this has been painfully obvious to most thinking people for much longer than that


And how.
posted by Gelatin at 11:32 AM on February 6


It's asking who can be the most brutal in a brutality competition.

That definitely explains why neo-Nazi attacks plummeted after the election and then skyrocketed after Richard Spencer was punched.

None of the things in that sentence is true, including "the" and "and".
posted by Etrigan at 11:32 AM on February 6 [20 favorites]


there are lots of great arguments to make in favor of pacifism

That's not an argument in favour of pacifism, that's an argument against deploying violence as a routine tool of politics.
posted by Pseudonymous Cognomen at 11:34 AM on February 6 [6 favorites]


If the existence of Nazis represents routine politics, you have much worse problems on your hands.
posted by C'est la D.C. at 11:37 AM on February 6 [29 favorites]


I can't find a link to this anywhere in this thread, so if you missed it yesterday, please enjoy Hamilton's original Schuyler Sisters singers a slightly altered American The Beautiful from the Superbowl yesterday.

Can I get a Hell Yeah?
posted by Joey Michaels at 11:37 AM on February 6 [10 favorites]


there are lots of great arguments to make in favor of pacifism, but "Nazis are bigger and stronger than us" is weak, defeatist garbage.

More than that. "Nazis are bigger and stronger than us" is literally Nazi propaganda.
posted by tobascodagama at 11:37 AM on February 6 [66 favorites]


ain't nothing routine politics about Nazis.
posted by prize bull octorok at 11:38 AM on February 6 [14 favorites]


this has been painfully obvious to most thinking people for much longer than that

And how.


Indeed. It's hard to read articles like that. It's like that time Microsoft announced that GUIs were finally here with the release of Windows 3.1 (for some reason the previous versions didn't count as GUIs to their marketing team if memory serves) when those of us who used Amigas, Macs, or Atari STs, even GEOS were well aware of and had been using GUI based systems for some time.

This bullshit has been going on for years on the local and State level (Nixon/Reagan/Thatcher have been forgotten I suppose) but perhaps the mainstream or majority of people simply didn't really know about it and are finding out for the first time. Says quite a lot about mainstream news in the States.
posted by juiceCake at 11:38 AM on February 6 [3 favorites]


That definitely explains why neo-Nazi attacks plummeted after the election and then skyrocketed after Richard Spencer was punched.

I know this is being facetious and a little flippant but during the Obama years the anti-government sovereign citizen movement thrived like never before. There have been dozens of deaths in the face of a black man's presidency being seen as illegitimate. Even if it's not a strain of neo-nazism there are definitely racist undertones at play. When these people feel under threat they do dangerous things. Sure, Jerry and Joe Kane are six feet under but so are Bill Evans and Brandon Paudert.
posted by Talez at 11:39 AM on February 6 [2 favorites]


But, I mean, suit the action to the situation. I don't think there's value in punching some random guy nobody's ever heard of, necessarily. A well-known Nazi piece of shit playing a respectability game while surrounded by news media content to let him play his shitty respectability game, though? Yeah, punch that fucker.
posted by tobascodagama at 11:40 AM on February 6 [15 favorites]




ugh not one of those 50 republicans gives a shit about the education and care of our children?!
posted by INFJ at 11:43 AM on February 6 [1 favorite]


I know this is being facetious and a little flippant but during the Obama years the anti-government sovereign citizen movement thrived like never before.

Obama, who famously punched all those Nazis during his 2008 campaign.
posted by tobascodagama at 11:44 AM on February 6 [5 favorites]


zachlipton: 97 (mostly tech) companies, including Apple, Facebook, Salesforce, Twitter, Uber, and Microsoft, have filed a friend of the court brief with the 9th Circuit in the Washington case opposing the immigration executive order.

The big winner this year could be Canada, in a way that Rural America could have won if _rump really understood the power he had in not giving a fuck.

Tech companies don't need to be located in big cities, but they are to draw more people who like big cities. Meanwhile, you have immigrants who are coming to the US for a safe place to live, and end up getting re-settled all over the country. And now tech companies are making plans to move foreign-born workers to Canada
(Tech Crunch, Jan 31, 2017).

Instead of with giving ridiculous incentives to companies to build infrastructure (WaPo, January 24, 2017), why not give the same sort of thing to tech companies who locate in rural regions of the US, develop local talent, and support immigration to those shrinking, aging regions (The Atlantic, June 2, 2016)? One company can save a town, 2-3 can bring serious prosperity and growth to the region.

Instead, they'll move to Canada, taking their skills and salaries with them. Good job, racist idiot.
posted by filthy light thief at 11:46 AM on February 6 [44 favorites]


So the man who refuses to acknowledge the Quebec City mosque attack is telling our military that the "very dishonest press doesn't want to report" terror attacks in Europe (transcript).

David Mack of Buzzfeed gives us the hard truth that the press really does under report terrorist attacks, but not in Europe, only in Muslim countries, who are attacked far more than anywhere else.
posted by zachlipton at 11:48 AM on February 6 [28 favorites]


Truthfully, I'd love if a US tech company relocated to Kingston. We have a great cost of living and conveniently located within easy travel distance of TO, Ottawa, and Montreal. If US businesses want to bring jobs to Canada, I'm on board.
posted by Kitteh at 11:49 AM on February 6 [3 favorites]


octothorpe: The price of entry for the 2020 presidential primary is ferocious opposition to the president.
The urgency of the moment is not lost on the party’s leading 2020 hopefuls. Many of them — including Warren and fellow Sens. Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand and Kamala Harris — abandoned their schedules two weekends ago to appear at protests in their home states or in Washington, grasping the imperative to be both public and distinctive in their opposition to Trump’s executive order on refugee travel. Then Warren, Sanders, Gillibrand and Booker voted against approving Elaine Chao for secretary of transportation, one of Trump’s least controversial picks and an unmistakable thumb in the eye of Chao’s husband, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

“People will say, ‘Where were you when he appointed Jeff Sessions? Where were you when he picked a Supreme Court justice?’ That will be a real question in primaries, and I wouldn’t want to be the candidate on the wrong side of that,” said longtime strategist Bob Shrum, warning of the importance of public resistance in a week when Democratic senators began boycotting votes on Trump picks altogether.
And here I was thinking Brand New Congress was unrealistic. Stand up in resistance now, or sit down in 2018 and 2020.
posted by filthy light thief at 11:49 AM on February 6 [32 favorites]


David Mack of Buzzfeed gives us the hard truth that the press really does under report terrorist attacks, but not in Europe, only in Muslim countries, who are attacked far more than anywhere else.

This is true, mostly because Western media sees any terrorist attack outside of Europe or any other Western country as the sort of thing that just happens over there.
posted by Kitteh at 11:51 AM on February 6 [16 favorites]


TMZ is claiming that Kanye West has scrubbed his Twitter of all his pro-Trump tweets.

When you don't have John Yoo or Kanye, who do you have?
posted by zachlipton at 11:52 AM on February 6 [14 favorites]


[Several comments removed, cut it out with the rapey trolley problem shit.]
posted by cortex at 11:53 AM on February 6 [15 favorites]


Democrats Are Holding the Senate Floor for 24 Hours to Protest Betsy DeVos' Nomination

I suspected when Collins announced, after having voted DeVos out of committee, that she'd vote against her on the Senate floor, that the whip count was safely in this horrible nominee's favor, and so she could safely make a phony "moderate" gesture for the benefit of her low-information constituents while in reality voting lockstep with the Republicans as usual. This development tells me that Senate Democrats agree about the whip count. I hope I'm reading it wrong.
posted by Gelatin at 11:53 AM on February 6 [11 favorites]


I'm really disturbed by the President telling the central command of our military that the media isn't reporting Islamic terrorism in Europe. He's setting up a narrative so when there's another terrorist attack the media are to blame for not warning us and the courts are to blame for tying his hands. It's also pushing the lie that Europe is overrun with terrorism because of allowing in refugees. As zachlipton pointed out, if there's any underreporting of terrorist attacks, it's in Muslim countries who are the main victims of extremist attacks.
posted by bluecore at 11:54 AM on February 6 [32 favorites]


Apple is building a huge datacenter in a tiny Danish village - the article says town, but it has 174 inhabitants. This is great for the area, and will definitely lead to local growth. No reason it couldn't happen in the US as well..
posted by mumimor at 11:55 AM on February 6 [5 favorites]


ugh who gives a shit about Kanye West. The man is a news/sensationalist attention seeker. Hes a living version of The Sun.
posted by INFJ at 11:56 AM on February 6 [5 favorites]



Instead of with giving ridiculous incentives to companies to build infrastructure (WaPo, January 24, 2017), why not give the same sort of thing to tech companies who locate in rural regions of the US, develop local talent, and support immigration to those shrinking, aging regions (The Atlantic, June 2, 2016)? One company can save a town, 2-3 can bring serious prosperity and growth to the region.


Are you kidding me?

Tech workers crowd into cities like Boston and San Francisco, not because they like $4.00 artisanal cinnamon toast, but because to be in this line of work you have to live in range of multiple employers. Nobody's going to move to a one company town. At best, you can get companies to set up in cities like Worcester, MA or Cincinnati. And that's already happening.
posted by ocschwar at 11:57 AM on February 6 [14 favorites]


slipthought: @BraddJaffy Spicer says nationwide protests of Trump are not like Tea Party was: This is “a very paid AstroTurf-type movement” [Twitter]

Here's the funny thing - An academic study confirmed that front groups with longstanding ties to the tobacco industry and the billionaire Koch brothers planned the formation of the Tea Party movement more than a decade before it exploded onto the U.S. political scene. (HuffPo, Feb. 11, 2013)

And by funny, I mean fucking infuriating. _rump must have ordered mirrors by the boat-load for his administration, because the _rump's mirror messages are still holding up.
posted by filthy light thief at 11:58 AM on February 6 [32 favorites]


Nobody's going to move to a one company town.

Why not? I mean, it's not like a company would decide to move, leaving the town a hollow shell of its former importance populated by newly-unemployed oxycodone addicts
posted by Greg Nog at 12:03 PM on February 6 [55 favorites]


Are you kidding me? Tech workers crowd into cities like Boston and San Francisco, not because they like $4.00 artisanal cinnamon toast, but because to be in this line of work you have to live in range of multiple employers.

Good point, and I oversimplified, but if _rump is incentivising companies to stay in place instead of moving out of town, and (potentially) offering a ton of tax breaks to companies who build infrastructure (something like $1 million in project expenses = $1 million or more in tax write-offs for 10-15 years), that could change the investment and site development plans for major companies. And if it takes 3-5 companies to make a new tech town, I'm sure congresmen and senators would eat up the potential to have a handful of tech companies in their impoverished regions.

Of course, this is the stuff of fantasy land Bizarro _rump fever dreams, so I'll stop now. (But it's fun to dream.)
posted by filthy light thief at 12:03 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


Hes a living version of The Sun.

not sure he's actually claimed to be an incarnation of a solar deity yet but give the man time
posted by prize bull octorok at 12:04 PM on February 6 [18 favorites]


And you like me and I like you," Trump says at address of senior US commanders in Florida.

Barney the Dinosaur is gonna be pissed.
posted by indubitable at 12:04 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


This development tells me that Senate Democrats agree about the whip count. I hope I'm reading it wrong.

I think you're right, Gelatin. If the count were unsure they'd be busy trying to change it.

I called my senators about her anyhow, though.
posted by nat at 12:05 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


I'm really disturbed by the President telling the central command of our military that the media isn't reporting Islamic terrorism in Europe.

Just for the record, "Central Command" refers to its geographic area of operations: the Middle East.
posted by Etrigan at 12:05 PM on February 6 [13 favorites]


Instead of with giving ridiculous incentives to companies to build infrastructure (WaPo, January 24, 2017), why not give the same sort of thing to tech companies who locate in rural regions of the US

This already happens (UT, NM, NC, NY, TX, etc). Except instead of companies getting tax incentives to build/repair infrastructure, they get tax incentives to use/overburden the area's infrastructure in exchange for "job creation" (often with little to no constraints on whether those jobs pay a living wage or offer benefits). These regions end up needing more tax revenue to deal with the increase in population/land use but the companies that created that need don't have to pay their fair share of the costs.

Tax incentives given to companies to "create jobs" are usually a bad long-term deal for the community.
posted by melissasaurus at 12:07 PM on February 6 [27 favorites]


I think tech can do well in moderate sized cities, especially with high speed internet connections. Could be a godsend for people wanting to get away from the craziness of large cities.
posted by ZeusHumms at 12:09 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Hes a living version of The Sun.

not sure he's actually claimed to be an incarnation of a solar deity yet but give the man time


He's got the "the State, it's Me" part.
posted by sukeban at 12:10 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


supercrayon: I feel like the new divide in America

Buntix: The world.

In a small corner of Nairobi, where men gather to talk politics, President Trump is adored. They view him with hope that populism and the will of the people can be respected in a democracy. (NPR, February 6, 2017)
"I think his dictator tendencies are for the benefit of his country, yes - because if he says that he will build a wall between Mexico and the U.S. because Mexicans are rapists, drug addicts and so on, that is for the benefit of his country."
Emphasis mine -- from Kenya, which Wikipedia states has maintained remarkable stability despite changes in its political system and crises in neighbouring countries, since its independence in 1963 (I know, Wikipedia is not a source unto itself, but it's the handiest broad summary I could find at the moment).
posted by filthy light thief at 12:14 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


For those who don't get the joke (all three of you), Prince Harry was photographed wearing a swastika armband at a colonial themed birthday party.

Wasn't he also photographed naked in a hotel room? Works almost as well for the joke.

No reason it couldn't happen in the US as well..

Apple built a *giant* data center powered by an even more giant solar farm in Maiden, NC, pop. 3500 or so. Even rural, small town, white, Trumpian real America will suffer if the big tech cos decide to pull up stakes.
posted by spitbull at 12:17 PM on February 6 [6 favorites]


Regarding the proven fact of the astroturf origins of the Tea Party: I think somebody needs to put ads on all the right wing news sites: "If you've been an unpaid volunteer for Trump or the Tea Party, apply here to get the payment you're owed! Hundreds of millions of dollars already paid; get your share!"
posted by oneswellfoop at 12:19 PM on February 6 [13 favorites]


Devos is a product of what happens when we agree that, instead of paying taxes, the stupidly wealthy should be allowed to decide how they sue their money to support communities. She has made a choice to get involved in education with absolutely no understanding of it because it serves her (she profits off of private schools) and because she has a bunch of ill-informed and outright incorrect beliefs.

When the wealthy are taxed, the government (sometimes successfully, sometimes not) can identify areas of genuine need and allocate the money accordingly. Hopefully, they base this decisions on solid research instead of the tipsy whims of the Gatsby-esque.

Decisions that effect whole communities should not be based on the daft vagaries of bored country club dilettantes.
posted by Joey Michaels at 12:20 PM on February 6 [58 favorites]


$4.00 artisanal cinnamon toast

Hell you'll pay that at the Waffle House.
posted by spitbull at 12:20 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


Yeah the phrase you're looking for is "$10 avocado toast"
posted by zachlipton at 12:23 PM on February 6 [22 favorites]


Apple built a *giant* data center powered by an even more giant solar farm in Maiden, NC, pop. 3500 or so.

The data center employed 50 people. The tax incentives Apple received amounted to $6.4 million per job created.

For those interested in these things, the organization Good Jobs First tracks these kinds of economic development incentives.
posted by melissasaurus at 12:26 PM on February 6 [30 favorites]


Emphasis mine -- from Kenya, which Wikipedia states has maintained remarkable stability despite changes in its political system and crises in neighbouring countries, since its independence in 1963 (I know, Wikipedia is not a source unto itself, but it's the handiest broad summary I could find at the moment).

1200 dead and 500,000 fleeing their homes in post-election violence in 2007 does not seem terribly stable. Not to mention the constant threat of terror attack from al Shabab just across the border in Somalia, though that does explain how they can relate positively to the whole Wall thing.
posted by indubitable at 12:26 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


Not to mention the constant threat of terror attack from al Shabab just across the border in Somalia, though that does explain how they can relate positively to the whole Wall thing.

I feel like I should clarify here that I don't mean that this justifies their feelings or that building a stupid wall would help at all, but that I can understand where it comes from. That and I get the feeling that there's a lot of... ethnic? sectarian? tensions between the groups in Kenya and the Somali refugees that have taken up residence there.
posted by indubitable at 12:32 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


Has it already been posted here that Kellyanne told TMZ about the Bowling Green Massacre too? So that is the third time!

Kellyanne Conway Referenced ‘Bowling Green Attack’ in TMZ Interview
There’s a new, third time Trump’s counselor talked about a fictitious terrorist attack — undermining the excuse she misspoke
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posted by futz at 12:33 PM on February 6 [32 favorites]


> Donald Trump would not be welcome to address parliament during his state visit, the Commons Speaker, John Bercow, has said in an unprecedented intervention that drew applause and cheers from MPs.

Well said, John Bercow. And a startling postscript as The Beast of Bolsover heckles in support of Mr. Speaker for once. Truly, the world has been turned upside-down!
posted by Morfil Ffyrnig at 12:37 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


[Popular Vote Loser] is now speculating that the media is covering up terrorist attacks
It’s certainly true that not every terrorist attack receives broad coverage in the national media. FiveThirtyEight looked at the likelihood that a terrorist attack in a foreign country would be covered by the New York Times, looking at coverage of 40,129 attacks from 1968 to 2009. Not every attack received coverage over that period. Last spring, the Los Angeles Times set out to log every single terrorist attack in the month of April, counting 180 attacks that killed 858 people. Not every one of those attacks made your local nightly newscast.

But filtering what to cover is very different than suppressing information. On any given day, local newspapers and news broadcasts decide what to spend resources on. If your home is burglarized, it may not make the cut. This probably isn’t because the Channel 5 news director has a vendetta against you; it’s that there are limited resources.
Not going to actually repeat the absolutely absurd claim made by said PVL, but wow, everyday, the news get more and more surreal.

I think I've been sucked into a horror movie. Plz send help.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 12:37 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Der Spiegel editorial: Trump as Nero | Europe Must Defend Itself Against A Dangerous President
"It is literally painful to write this sentence, but the president of the United States is a pathological liar. The president of the U.S. is a racist (it also hurts to write this). He is attempting a coup from the top; he wants to establish an illiberal democracy, or worse; he wants to undermine the balance of power. He fired an acting attorney general who held a differing opinion from his own and accused her of "betrayal." This is the vocabulary used by Nero, the emperor and destroyer of Rome. It is the way tyrants think."
[...]
"The fact that the United States, a nuclear superpower that has dominated the world economically, militarily and culturally for decades, is now presenting itself as the victim, calling in all seriousness for "America first" and trying to force the rest of the world into humiliating concessions is absurd. But precisely because this nonsense is coming from the world's most powerful man, it is getting trapped by him."
posted by monospace at 12:38 PM on February 6 [69 favorites]


Erik Loomis, LGM: Are Factory Jobs Good Jobs?
[snippet of paywalled Financial Times piece about the preventable death of a subcontractor working at a non-union Hyunday/Kia plant]

This is the type of job that Trump talks about when he goes MAGA. These aren’t good jobs. They are terrible jobs. They are also the only even halfway decent jobs in the rural South. Because of capital mobility and the inability of unions to organize southern industrial plants (which may be changing but we will see), these jobs are unsafe and they are getting worse, not better. The lack of any real industrial policy in the United States for a half-century combined with the desperation of American blue-collar workers to take anything they can get these days contributes to this situation. There aren’t any easy answers either except to fine the living hell out the suppliers, the subcontractors, and the auto plants who buy supplies from these factories. Of course, that’s not going to Make America Great Again so you can forget that for the next 4 years.

But we need to remember is that there is nothing inherently good about a factory job. What makes any job a “good” job is a union or at least competition with unionized workplaces. Whether it is McDonald’s or Kia suppliers, only a union can protect workers. Promoting union workplaces needs to be the left’s primary goal, not creating specific types of jobs except in areas that already having a union presence that would make their creation automatically a pretty good job.
posted by tonycpsu at 12:38 PM on February 6 [46 favorites]


At this point the only real surprise would be seeing MSM reporting something like -

BREAKING: Kellyannne Conway does NOT lie her fucking face off today. Holy shit.
posted by lydhre at 12:38 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


WNYC reports on the Democratic Socialists of America: Capturing the Energy of the Left
Membership for the Democratic Socialists of America, or the DSA, has nearly tripled in the last 6 months, up from 6,000 to 15,000 nationwide.

In the aftermath of a disastrous election for the Democratic Party, some liberals and leftists are turning away from the main organizing branch of the party, in favor of organizations like the DSA. It has been around since the early 80s, formed out of a splintering of socialist groups. The goal back then was to fight for reforms for the working class through hundreds of community chapters - a local focus still at the heart of the movement. But as socialism fell by the wayside in the 80s and 90s, interest in groups outside of the mainstream remained low.

But now, as a result of Trump's election, the perceived inefficacy of Congressional Democrats, rising inequality and the deferred vision of Bernie Sanders - all combined with online organizing - democratic socialism is finding its legs. And the DSA is at the heart of the movement as the largest socialist organization in the U.S.

Takeaway producer Oliver Lazarus went to the first Brooklyn branch meeting of the DSA since the inauguration, held at an auditorium, when just a couple months ago, the branch was happy if they could fill a living room.
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 12:39 PM on February 6 [8 favorites]


Decisions that effect whole communities should not be based on the daft vagaries of bored country club dilettantes.

Betsy DeVos is not a "bored country club dillettante", nor is "education" merely her Desperate Housewives-type social project.

She's the product of a specific religious tradition, Dutch Calvinism, that largely still refuses to make peace with the idea that education is the legitimate responsibility of the state. Don't assume she's stupid -- she's smart enough not to say what she really believes about education in front of a Senate hearing, so she just sits there and smirks.
posted by tivalasvegas at 12:39 PM on February 6 [39 favorites]


Government In Chaos: Donald Trump Signed An Executive Order That Just Says ‘HOT CUBE’ And Federal Agencies Are Scrambling To Interpret It [Clickhole, fake]
Typically, a president works hand in hand with federal agencies to enact policy, but Donald Trump is clearly dead set on shattering that mold. Just two weeks into his presidency, he has once again sent the federal government into complete chaos with a single stroke of his pen: President Trump has signed into law a piece of paper containing only the words “HOT CUBE,” and federal agencies have been scrambling to figure out just what that means ever since.
posted by Servo5678 at 12:40 PM on February 6 [12 favorites]


Data centres really don't create permanent jobs. The whole 'Internet of Things' thing is taken to extremes, with as much monitoring, configuration and daily running as possible taken care of by automation - the idea of the 'lights out' DC is that there's nobody there most of the time. You build them, you wire them in, you turn them on and then you walk away.

Forget those archive pictures of vast halls of machines tended by a small army of technicians. The people who are needed are either sent in as and when, or they sit at desks in another state and make sure that not too many green things turn red. You build your DCs where land and power is cheap and you can get the data in and out; you might hire a couple of locals to be on-site security or running maintenance like swapping fan filters in the aircon, but everything that can be designed to avoid local human attention has been.

It's inexorable and widespread. You have to look far and wide to find a broadcast transmitter engineer or a telephone exchange technician these days: it's all just boxesof sand in dark rooms talking to a distant HQ, and a bloke in a truck who gets sent out when something goes bang.
posted by Devonian at 12:41 PM on February 6 [34 favorites]


I think I've been sucked into a horror movie. Plz send help.
I'd help you, but I feel like I've been sucked into a Bunuel movie.
posted by pxe2000 at 12:42 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


I think there's more than a few republicans that would happily vote against DeVos if they could and agree that she's supremely unqualified. The problem is they can't admit that and allow the democrats to get a hint of a win, so they'll vote in lockstep to hold the line and confirm the nominee (with the token allowed NO votes now that she's out of committee). It's 100% politics over principle, but then what else is new?
posted by TwoWordReview at 12:45 PM on February 6 [12 favorites]


Is it too late to ask Betsy DeVos if she would recommend putting Bowling Green's massacre in our history books?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 12:47 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


Betsy DeVos is not a "bored country club dillettante", nor is "education" merely her Desperate Housewives-type social project.

For what its worth, I started with Devos but the rest of my comment strayed to more of a general "don't let the wealthy be allowed to set the agenda just because they have money" rant. That said, She personally benefits financially from school privatization and its only her money that has put her in a position where she can be considered for Secretary of Education. Her views - if genuinely held and not just a means to profit - still developed with a very limited world view. Replace country club, perhaps, with private mega-church function.
posted by Joey Michaels at 12:49 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


It's hard enough to get tech people to move to Pittsburgh (or stay in Pittsburgh if they are CMU grads) because there's not enough tech here. And there is a shit ton of tech here. I mean, from a layperson's standpoint, it seems like a shit ton. There's a lot. But not enough for there to be a lot of VC activity (which is kind of a chicken/egg situation) and not enough for a massive number of people to give up the 24/7 networking opportunities available in SV or NYC to come here, to a job that may or may not actually employ them for >5 years. In an era where employment at a single company is not excpected to be long term (let alone life long), it's a hard sell to get people to up sticks to a place where the job after next (and there will be one) would require them to up sticks once again.


Meanwhile, I have theories about the "but factory jerbs" being more about retrograde notions of masculinity than an actual desire to work on an assembly line.
posted by soren_lorensen at 12:50 PM on February 6 [63 favorites]


Please arrange to have me sucked into a Jean Rollin movie. At this point, vagina bats and death by spiked nipples would be a less ridiculous world to live in.
posted by delfin at 12:50 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Betsy DeVos is not a "bored country club dillettante", nor is "education" merely her Desperate Housewives-type social project.

She's the product of a specific religious tradition, Dutch Calvinism, that largely still refuses to make peace with the idea that education is the legitimate responsibility of the state.


She can be both at once. And indeed she is a dilettante in the sense of not having one little bit of meaningful professional training, expertise, or experience in the field of education. She's just a dolt whose nutball views are heard and implemented solely because she's rich as fuck.
posted by FelliniBlank at 12:50 PM on February 6 [37 favorites]


@michaelianblack: This is where we are as a country: any commercial that celebrates American values is interpreted as an insult to the President.
posted by argonauta at 12:51 PM on February 6 [73 favorites]


Donald Trump would not be welcome to address parliament during his state visit

Oh god, this is awesome. Here is what trump said to The Telegraph (link goes to archive.is b/c I couldn't view the original) last month.

This newspaper revealed last month how Mr Trump wants a “full Monty” state visit that would “go one better” than Mr Obama, who he succeeded in the White House.

In 2011, Mr Obama became the first US President to address both Houses of Parliament in Westminster Hall, a grand stone building which dates back to the 11th century.


(and my comment at the time was:)

> Oh the glee I would be full of if Trumple Thinskin was denied.
posted by futz at 12:51 PM on February 6 [13 favorites]


A worrying tweetstorm from a NYT writer.

@Max_Fisher
I went to Germany to investigate its plan for the Trump era
They’re ready to go further than anyone thought: NYT: For Germany, Trump Poses a Problem With No Clear Solution
I don’t think there is anyone who takes the stakes for the liberal order more seriously than the people leading Germany at this moment.
Spoke to a number of top German FP officials and thinkers. They see the liberal order could really collapse. They’re serious about acting.
But that doesn’t mean Germany can save the liberal order. I heard this over & over. We can’t do it alone. “Dangerous to believe we could."
German leaders aren’t at the level of saving the liberal order. They’re at the level of saving themselves, and *maybe* Europe.
Was amazed how open German officials were on this. They’re preparing for the day when the US becomes an active threat to their interests.
It’s hard to overstate how destabilizing this would be for them. Their most important ally becoming a potential adversary almost overnight.
I also heard concern among German govt, barely above a whisper but there, that American democracy can’t be taken for granted anymore.
Over and over in Germany we heard some version of: Because of our history, we we are alarmed by what we see in the United States.
A phrase we heard whenever we asked about Trump-Putin rapprochement: “Zwischen-Europa.” Unbelievably loaded.
Still, Mr. Kiesewetter is hardly optimistic. Should Mr. Trump strike a rapprochement with Moscow that did not include European leaders, leaving the continent on its own, he warned this would divide Eastern Europe between “zones of influence.”

This possibility seems to torment German officials, who sometimes label it with the word “Zwischen-Europa.” The phrase, which means “intermediary Europe” or “in-between Europe,” comes from the interwar era, when Germans used it to describe the borderlands between it and the Soviet Union. It is remembered here as a partial cause of World War II.

The phrase is used today not to specifically warn of war but to remind Germans of the importance of the postwar order that many believe is in growing peril. It is also a warning: that the liberal system could slip away and that Germans must remember the dangers of the old order, even if the rest of the world forgets.
posted by chris24 at 12:52 PM on February 6 [89 favorites]


Betsy DeVos is not a "bored country club dillettante", nor is "education" merely her Desperate Housewives-type social project.

Mitt Romney called her a "highly successful business woman" which is telling how tight the billionaire club must be. When you inherit a fortune so large that your money makes its own money and you can dabble in any field without fear of failure, that makes you a successful business person nowadays.
posted by peeedro at 12:52 PM on February 6 [41 favorites]


State laws regarding FOIAing elected officials' children are way, way too lenient, and FOIAs about police reports for harassment should absolutely require a judge to sign off before releasing the report because it's hella easy for harassers to FOIA harassment reports about them and use the reports to get more information about the people they're harassing.

Yeah unfortunately FOIA requests have become popular as a way to harass people. I know scientists who have been harassed through FOIA requests though nothing as bad as attacking their children, WTF.
posted by threeturtles at 12:53 PM on February 6 [6 favorites]


Tech workers crowd into cities like Boston and San Francisco, not because they like $4.00 artisanal cinnamon toast, but because to be in this line of work you have to live in range of multiple employers. Nobody's going to move to a one company town. At best, you can get companies to set up in cities like Worcester, MA or Cincinnati. And that's already happening.

This is straying off-topic, but I think a smart alternative would be basically rural outsourcing on the model of architecture/design firms. Have a group of people who develop expertise in a specific subfield and contract out that expertise to multiple different clients. Because you have more than one client, you don't have to worry about the one company who employed everyone pulling out of the industry.

This is essentially what the offshoring companies did, and it seems to have worked for them. The real problem is that you'd have a hard time competing with said offshoring companies, but that's where government subsidies would come in.

However, while that approach might help keep some of these small towns afloat, it doesn't address all the former factory/mine workers who can't retrain into software jobs, which is going to be the vast majority of them. For them, green energy seems like a no-brainer. They can easily learn to install solar panels or wind turbines. Retrain them and let them do it. Let them do it in their own backyards, set up local co-ops to own the farms, and let them sell the generated electricity back to the utility companies.
posted by tobascodagama at 12:57 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


Oh, and how I enjoy hearing the first of my two Michigan senators savaging DeVos right now, as she richly deserves. So sorry we can't just send some crates of cherries to the Dept. of Education in her place.
posted by FelliniBlank at 12:58 PM on February 6 [11 favorites]


What disturbs me is that the American Right has been so successful in concocting an alternative reality that even a person as thoughtless and essentially naive as Trump can tap into it, amplify it, and use it for his own ends.

We all know the basics of the Republican Alternative Reality:
Real America, the places outside the corrupting influence of the filthy cities and their swarms of brown people, Real America, the white Republican voting parts of the country, is filled with hard working white people who are abused by a tax system that steals their money and uses it to support the filthy immigrant, brown, hordes of the cities and the treasonous Blue States. Only thanks to their ability to parasite Real America's labor can those vile America hating thugs survive. And those filthy degenerate parasites keep wanting us to give more, wanting us to give up our values in addition to our money!
The details vary, but the essence is known to everyone. You see it in bumper stickers "I work had because millions on welfare depend on me", you see it in political slogans "take our country back", you see it in interviews "we've got to get to work so the liberals can sleep in".

Of course the truth is the exact opposite. The rural, Red, parts of America are supported by massive transfers of wealth from the Blue parts of the country. California alone contributes nearly $150 billion annually to Federal spending in Red states. That's more than the total combined budgets of South Dakota, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Alaska, Idaho, Iowa, Nebraska, Wyoming, Mondana, West Virginia.

This isn't because people in rural areas are lazy, or that they're leeching off the people in Blue America, it's because they mostly live spread out and don't make very much money.

Agriculture is essential to our survival, but it's less than 1% of the US economy. Mining and foresting likewise account for less than 1% of the US economy. The simple fact is that the vast empty acres of middle America are essential for keeping us fed, but they don't make very much money. So Blue America subsidizes their infrastructure.

That their infrastructure is still inadequate and that there are still big problems in those areas is an issue that needs lots of discussion, but it isn't because Blue America is ripping them off, the worst you can say about Blue America is that they are insufficiently generous, and that's a hard position to take given the humanitarian problems Blue America has.

But the truth is irrelevant to most Trumpers. The alternate reality they've created, the bubble they now collectively live in, tells them the opposite of the truth.

Rather than seeing themselves as the beneficiaries of Blue America's largess, the Red Staters see themselves as cruel exploited by lazy liberal elites who steal all their hard earned money to lavish on black welfare recipients or illegal immigrants.

I don't think Trump is smart enough to be Machiavellian, I don't think that when Trump said "We give tremendous amounts of money to California" he was deliberately spreading a lie to inflame his base. I think, like the people who heard him say that and nodded to themselves thinking resentful thoughts about welfare queens living large on their sweat and tears, he really believed it.

The lie is now so widespread that everyone, even people who don't believe it, knows its basics. The lie is now so widespread that everyone has it as the background radiation of their existence. The lie is now so widespread that an uninformed intellectually stunted proud ignoramus like Trump not only knows it but can tap into it and expand it.

How do you fight back against such a massive lie? Especially when, as the WaPo scientifically showed, at absolute minimum 15% of them are willing to tell Trump supporting lies in the face of actual, literal, photographic evidence?
posted by sotonohito at 1:00 PM on February 6 [121 favorites]


When you inherit a fortune so large that your money makes its own money and you can dabble in any field without fear of failure, that makes you a successful business person nowadays.

How do you become a millionaire?

Start with $2 million.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:02 PM on February 6 [13 favorites]


soren_lorensen Meanwhile, I have theories about the "but factory jerbs" being more about retrograde notions of masculinity than an actual desire to work on an assembly line.

You know how sometimes you see something that suddenly crystallizes thoughts you've had vaguely floating around that you weren't even consciously aware of and there's that mind blowing moment of epiphany where your whole worldview realigns ever so slightly and you see clearly things that were obscured and mysteriously just a moment ago?

Reading that just gave me one of those moments. Thanks!

Yes! **OF COURSE** the factory job obsession is deeply rooted in their fragile masculinity and retrograde notions of patriarchy!
posted by sotonohito at 1:06 PM on February 6 [46 favorites]


I wonder how well the Queen can drive on off road courses. Just in case the opportunity to show off presents itself.
posted by ZeusHumms at 10:13 AM on February
6

While I'm betting Liz could handle the reins, she really doesn't have to. Her hubby competed in driving competitions which include off-road sections (link includes photos of Philip navigating a water hazard).
posted by sardonyx at 1:07 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Great point, soren_lorensen. I wonder how many of the people wailing for the return of factory work, mining and long days in the testosterone fields would actually give up their cushy, feminized desk job for one of these cigarette-ad options.
posted by Kitty Stardust at 1:11 PM on February 6 [7 favorites]


Should we send pizza to the senate floor for the dems?
posted by yoga at 1:11 PM on February 6 [7 favorites]


Speaking of alternate realities, Sean Spicer just gave an interview to Fox and Friends, saying that the anti-Muslim-ban protesters are "absolutely paid" demonstrators. Of course, there is not a shred of evidence to suggest that this is true. He also contrasts the protests going on today with what he considers the truly "organic" protests of the Tea Party. He says that "of course" it is their right to protest (Trump's actions), but "let's call it what it is".

These are people who are either lying through their teeth or who cannot imagine why anyone would protest racism and bigotry other than to get paid. I am not sure which is worse.
posted by AceRock at 1:11 PM on February 6 [10 favorites]


Yes, **OF COURSE** the factory job obsession is deeply rooted in their fragile masculinity and retrograde notions of patriarchy!

Voxsplained thusly: When Donald Trump and Mike Huckabee disagree with something, they feminize it
posted by peeedro at 1:13 PM on February 6 [33 favorites]


You'd think that someone who could afford to pay more people than work for Walmart would have paid for more ads in October.
posted by Etrigan at 1:14 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


Should we send pizza to the senate floor for the dems?

Only if you want to see PIZZAGATE: CONFIRMED all over Infowars. That's not to say you wouldn't see it anyway.
posted by Rust Moranis at 1:15 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


Speaking of alternate realities, Sean Spicer just gave an interview to Fox and Friends, saying that the anti-Muslim-ban protesters are "absolutely paid" demonstrators.

It's telling that Spicer has to go on Fox to peddle that particular lie. Let's see if he has the stones to repeat in in front of a journalist who even might say "prove it."
posted by Gelatin at 1:16 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


send in the taco trucks of liberty then
posted by prize bull octorok at 1:16 PM on February 6 [36 favorites]


Only if you want to see PIZZAGATE: CONFIRMED all over Infowars.

So, yes?
posted by J.K. Seazer at 1:16 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Are they on Air Force One now? Folks are sending our Press Sec quotes like "I don't think the president owns a bathrobe." :shudder:
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 1:17 PM on February 6


Speaking of alternate realities, Sean Spicer just gave an interview to Fox and Friends, saying that the anti-Muslim-ban protesters are "absolutely paid" demonstrators.

Last Wednesday, a first year student at the university where I teach learned that, if she created a Facebook event, and invited her friends, and they invited their friends, and so on and so forth, tada, she had a real, live protest going against the ban, with the university president showing up and everything.

On behalf of this wonderful student, who learned about the power of democracy and protests that day: screw you, Sean Spicer.
posted by damayanti at 1:17 PM on February 6 [75 favorites]


It's telling that Spicer has to go on Fox to peddle that particular lie. Let's see if he has the stones to repeat in in front of a journalist who even might say "prove it."

While we're at it, let's get Trump to cite an example of a terror attack in Europe that the media did not report.
posted by thelonius at 1:18 PM on February 6 [10 favorites]


The lie is now so widespread that everyone has it as the background radiation of their existence.

sotonohito, I wish I could favorite this comment eleventy-billion times. I am encountering this over and over and over as I try to engage folks more widely, and just do not know where to start dismantling it so that a rational, informed conversation can even start. And if it's this much of a challenge individually, how on earth do we start it collectively? Because if we can't stop (falsely) otherizing each other, our imaginary problems, differences and conflicts will result in real, non-imaginary violence at some point.
posted by LooseFilter at 1:18 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


I wonder how many of the people wailing for the return of factory work, mining and long days in the testosterone fields would actually give up their cushy, feminized desk job for one of these cigarette-ad options.

Or for a couple industries that in many areas of the country are desperate for employees: nursing and teaching. Oh, but those are girls' jobs.
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:19 PM on February 6 [13 favorites]


While we're at it, let's get Trump to cite an example of a terror attack in Europe that the media did not report.

Whaddaya mean, Europe? The media was totally silent about the Bowling Green Massacre right here at home!
posted by Gelatin at 1:22 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


Sean Spicer just gave an interview to Fox and Friends, saying that the anti-Muslim-ban protesters are "absolutely paid" demonstrators.

Considering that the Kochs, who paid generously to create the Tea Party, oppose Trump's ban, there may be more opportunity for paid demonstrators than you think...
posted by oneswellfoop at 1:22 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


As a conservative Twitter user sleeps, his account is hard at work
Much of that research has focused on “bots,” accounts programmed to follow instructions, such as automatically replying to tweets from other accounts. But Sobieski exemplifies the growing popularity of a variation, called “cyborgs,” that mix human creativity and initiative with a computer’s relentless speed, allowing their views to gain audience while sidestepping the traditional gatekeepers of news and commentary.

Sobieski’s two accounts, for example, tweet more than 1,000 times a day using “schedulers” that work through stacks of his own pre-written posts in repetitive loops. With retweets and other forms of sharing, these posts reach the feeds of millions of other accounts, including those of such conservative luminaries as Fox News’s Sean Hannity, GOP strategist Karl Rove and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), according to researcher Jonathan Albright.
posted by Coventry at 1:23 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


Are they on Air Force One now? Folks are sending our Press Sec quotes like "I don't think the president owns a bathrobe." :shudder:

My eyes! Bleach! Help!

They just landed at Andrews.
posted by zachlipton at 1:23 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


Are they on Air Force One now? Folks are sending our Press Sec quotes like "I don't think the president owns a bathrobe."

I am presuming this is in response to the NYT piece of yesterday:
When Mr. Trump is not watching television in his bathrobe or on his phone reaching out to old campaign hands and advisers, he will sometimes set off to explore the unfamiliar surroundings of his new home.
And to save people the click: that Twitter link includes a lot of replies with historic photographs of Trump wearing bathrobes. Now, to be fair, perhaps he never paid for those bathrobes, but, regardless, know what you're going to see if you follow that link.
posted by cjelli at 1:24 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


Gamergate really was the prototype. Sigh...
posted by Artw at 1:26 PM on February 6 [17 favorites]




I don't think that when Trump said "We give tremendous amounts of money to California" he was deliberately spreading a lie to inflame his base

I think he was. One of the shibboleths of modern conservatism is that California is on the brink of economic collapse due to overspending, high deficits, over-regulation etc. Conservative websites like investors. com have had article after article showing that states like Kansas and Wisconsin are exceeding projections in every measure, states like New York and California are dragging the country down and the resulting economic collapse will send millions fleeing to the robust economies of moral righteousness of states like Nebraska and Oklahoma.

It's as divorced from reality as pretty much everything else in Modern Conservatism, and they fervently believe in the whole truth of it.
posted by Pogo_Fuzzybutt at 1:26 PM on February 6 [40 favorites]


zachlipton: Unsolicited Advice for the White House Press Corps: Six rules for covering Trump.

Come on now. Six rules? Bathrobes aren't that complicated to use. As long as he's covered...
posted by Too-Ticky at 1:29 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Factory jobs, as immortalized in country and folk songs, are on the way out. Forget about immigrants, robots are here for those jobs. You know how we can create a shit ton of jobs that robots don't yet do in a reliable and inexpensive way? Government infrastructure jobs like construction and maintenance. If we raise taxes on the very wealthy a bit, we can create a bunch of jobs even in rural areas. There's not a lot of private interest in doing this because rural low-population areas don't necessarily yield a great return on your investment.

At some point, robots will do those jobs better and cheaper, so we still need to figure out some long term solutions. In the meantime, if they get on that whole "raise money and spend it on living wages for workers building things that improve the community" thing, they could put a bunch of people to work.

To whit, unfettered capitalism doesn't favor the Rust Belt.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:30 PM on February 6 [28 favorites]


One thing I will say: as someone who has been around activist circles for 2/3 of my entire life, I am not even remotely surprised when I hear a public official openly lie to the media. The take-away for people who have not been particularly politically active in the past should be that politicians lie openly all the time, and any time you hear any kind of "but the budget won't permit" or "but violent protesters" or whatever, you should suspect that they are lying.

The difference now is that they are lying about things that far, far more people know about. It's easier for us to spot the lies now because they're no longer about relatively specialized issues and they are not only targeted at invisible or marginalized groups.

It is customary for politicians to lie about people of color, protests, environmental conditions, housing conditions, working conditions, access to healthcare, prices of staples, rates of imprisonment, etc. They rarely get called on these lies because "respectable [white straight middle class citizen] people" simply don't know enough about the lives of others to realize how disgracefully they're being misled. And "respectable people" often don't know very much about the political process, so they're easy to string along about policy, committees, etc.

This is a crash course for all of us - on that level, it's awesome. If we survive the next few years, I feel so much hope that liberals and the center left generally will be more informed, more powerful and less easy to fool.
posted by Frowner at 1:31 PM on February 6 [75 favorites]


Unsolicited Advice for the White House Press Corps: Six rules for covering Trump.

Which strangely has 7 rules. Is Trump math taking over?
posted by chris24 at 1:32 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


I wonder how well the Queen can drive on off road courses. Just in case the opportunity to show off presents itself.

While I'm betting Liz could handle the reins, she really doesn't have to. Her hubby competed in driving competitions which include off-road sections (link includes photos of Philip navigating a water hazard).

While we're indulging in fantasies, what if Liz challenges him to a duel to the death but cleverly chooses to have the duel take place at dawn (because 🚽 stays up late fighting on Twitter) on, like, one of those ridiculously long tube station stairwells. I'm not ruling out that she's the Miyamoto Musashi of elderly heads of state, basically.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:33 PM on February 6 [12 favorites]




[The Queen runs up some stairs]

QUEEN: It's over, Trump! I have the high ground!
posted by prize bull octorok at 1:35 PM on February 6 [15 favorites]


In case you want to watch...

Dems holding the floor
posted by slipthought at 1:36 PM on February 6 [7 favorites]


"I don't think the president owns a bathrobe."

This is actually a pretty weird statement for him to make. Either Spicer has asked the President, at which point he would say "the President told me he doesn't own a bathrobe" or he's speaking generally based on his knowledge of the President's closet, at which point I want to know why he has reason to know this with the confidence to state it to the world.

This kind of answer seems like textbook "how not to press secretary" stuff.
posted by zachlipton at 1:37 PM on February 6 [22 favorites]


Frowner, I've been trying to insert that nugget into conversations among brand-new middle class white lady activists that I find myself in. They are so! shocked! that Senators won't pay any attention to them. And I have to point out that, like, welcome to what marginalized people have been dealing with since forever. (To their credit, the response is usually, "Ohhh, yeah. Yeah. Roger that.")
posted by soren_lorensen at 1:38 PM on February 6 [26 favorites]


Did Yiannopoulos secretly send more than 100 thugs to Berkeley to break up his own speech?

tl;dr Betteridge's Law of Headlines applies
posted by murphy slaw at 1:40 PM on February 6 [11 favorites]


Jack Meserve in Democracy Journal: Keep It Simple and Take Credit
As Democrats stare down eight years of policies being wiped out within months, it’s worth looking at why those policies did virtually nothing for their electoral success at any level. And, in the interest of supporting a united front between liberals and socialists, let me start this off with a rather long quote from Matt Christman of Chapo Trap House, on why Obamacare failed to gain more popularity:
There are parts to it that are unambiguously good — like, Medicaid expansion is good, and why? Because there’s no fucking strings attached. You don’t have to go to a goddamned website and become a fucking hacker to try to figure out how to pick the right plan, they just tell you “you’re covered now.” And that’s it! That’s all it ever should have been and that is why — [Jonathan Chait] is bemoaning why it’s a political failure? Because modern neoliberal, left-neoliberal policy is all about making this shit invisible to people so that they don’t know what they’re getting out of it.

And as Rick Perlstein has talked about a lot, that’s one of the reasons that Democrats end up fucking themselves over. The reason they held Congress for 40 years after enacting Social Security is because Social Security was right in your fucking face. They could say to you, “you didn’t used to have money when you were old, now you do. Thank Democrats.” And they fucking did. Now it’s, “you didn’t used to be able to log on to a website and negotiate between 15 different providers to pick a platinum or gold or zinc plan and apply a fucking formula for a subsidy that’s gonna change depending on your income so you might end up having to retroactively owe money or have a higher premium.” Holy shit, thank you so much.
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 1:41 PM on February 6 [34 favorites]


Democrats had to make this lackluster health insurance system because the house was controlled by right-wing republicans. They weren't trying to create a ridiculous system.
posted by Windopaene at 1:46 PM on February 6 [23 favorites]


Rep. Maxine Waters has been on a terror talking about impeaching Trump today, including CNN (where she misspoke and said Korea instead of Crimea, leading to much mocking on the right), Twitter, and Teen Vogue: "I have not called for the impeachment — yet. He’s doing it himself,” Waters said."

In contrast, Rep. Pelosi today:
“[There] are grounds for displeasure and unease in the public about the performance of this president, who has acted in a way that is strategically incoherent, that is incompetent and that is reckless,” Pelosi told reporters in the Capitol. “And that is not grounds for impeachment.

“When and if he breaks the law, that is when something like that would come up. But that’s not the subject of today.”
posted by zachlipton at 1:46 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


Canada has now opened a War Room to deal specifically with Trump. As far as I know, Canada has never felt the need to open a war room against the US before. Brian Mulroney was already on board with Trudeau to "work" Trump from his house near Trump's in Florida. And Stephen Harper ad John Baird are also reported to be using their network for Canada. Trudeau cancelled the Electoral Reform in Canada, reportedly in fear a referendum would encourage the alt-right and be too divisive right now.
posted by saucysault at 1:47 PM on February 6 [18 favorites]


Did Yiannopoulos secretly send more than 100 thugs to Berkeley to break up his own speech?
Remember, even Betteridge's Law has its exceptions, and when Trump's people are declaring "paid demonstrators" against them, Trump's Mirror takes precedence. The Mainstream Press is not courageous enough to make direct accusations, so the most damning facts have to be couched in 'speculative language'.

So, Trump's Corollary to Betteridge: "The answer to any headline in the form of a question is no, it's EVEN WORSE."
posted by oneswellfoop at 1:49 PM on February 6 [7 favorites]


dude i have been to protests in the east bay and you do not have to pay anyone anything to get 50+ black bloc anarchists to show up
posted by murphy slaw at 1:52 PM on February 6 [27 favorites]




Democrats had to make this lackluster health insurance system because the house was controlled by right-wing republicans. They weren't trying to create a ridiculous system.

This is pretty much true.

It also doesn't really matter, because most people only care about results. The result they got was a byzantine system that requires a Vox explainer before you can understand why it's clearly better than the old one. Not a big motivator to turn out for Team Blue.
posted by tobascodagama at 1:56 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


It is astonishing that we've gotten so low that this was necessary: AP FACT CHECK: Obama Did Not Fill The White House With Muslim Imagery
posted by zachlipton at 1:58 PM on February 6 [6 favorites]


Yes! **OF COURSE** the factory job obsession is deeply rooted in their fragile masculinity and retrograde notions of patriarchy!

Yeah.. No one actually wants to work a factory job. What "good factory job" is a dogwhistle for is the halcyon days when a high-school educated male (or motivated drop-out male) could get a full-time salary that would support his entire household so he could have a little wife at home making him dinner and taking care of his kids, and a little extra spending money so he can hang out at the local bar with his line mates.

Even good factory jobs don't work like that anymore. For example: Wanted: Factory Workers, Degree Required [NYT] (trigger warning; if you get upset about employers failing to understand the need to train their own employees, watch out, this article will anger you.)
posted by Xyanthilous P. Harrierstick at 2:02 PM on February 6 [59 favorites]


Tech workers crowd into cities like Boston and San Francisco

Can I rant about the city-bashing that's been going on for the last year and a half? Not just this specifically, and not even here really, but everything. It is not Boston's damn fault that rural areas are doing poorly. Cities concentrate and generate wealth, and concentrate and generate opportunity, simply because of what they are - because of the efficiencies of centralization. The same efficiency that made factories more successful than craftsmen. It's not unfair policies. It's not unequal representation. It's not ... some classist thing, though some people definitely are classist. It's just math. The tendency of cities to generate and concentrate wealth is the precise basis of the urban/rural divide that has existed for the entirety of human civilization. Because it's tied to mathematical relationships.

I'm not saying the situation shouldn't be remedied, it's just, it won't be remedied by redistributional taxation, or a UBI. Job opportunities (and regular human opportunities) arise from network effects between people. If you want rural areas to have even half the opportunities that for example Boston does, you're going to have to change the inherent nature of those places to be more concentrated. And that's not anyone's fault. It's just math.
posted by Rainbo Vagrant at 2:03 PM on February 6 [49 favorites]


Should I click 'like' on this Muslim Obama link my awesome coal roller cousin just shared? No, I'd better check TPM first to see if the Associated Press issued any relevant fact checks
posted by theodolite at 2:03 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


Yeah.. No one actually wants to work a factory job. What "good factory job" is a dogwhistle for is the halcyon days when a high-school educated male (or motivated drop-out male) could get a full-time salary that would support his entire household so he could have a little wife at home making him dinner and taking care of his kids, and a little extra spending money so he can hang out at the local bar with his line mates.

In which I wistfully imagine a world where one could bring up the idea of UBI without having to go through a, "no, I know those people would also get money but that's not the fucking problem for you in the here and now, now is it?" sermon.
posted by Slackermagee at 2:05 PM on February 6 [6 favorites]


Randomly, as I try to catch up to this thread: I would love to see DJT try his weird macho-man-hand-yank on someone like The Rock.
posted by TwoStride at 2:11 PM on February 6 [10 favorites]


As far as I know, Canada has never felt the need to open a war room against the US before.

No, not the first time...
posted by Pogo_Fuzzybutt at 2:13 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


trigger warning; if you get upset about employers failing to understand the need to train their own employees, watch out, this article will anger you.

That wasn't the takeaway that I got from it - both companies discussed in the article provide college level training. Here's what leaped out at me:
some 10,000 people showed up at a job fair for 800 positions. But fewer than 15 percent of the applicants were able to pass a reading, writing and math screening test geared toward a ninth-grade education.
Our schools are shamefully failing our children and the current administration is only going to make it worse. It's not the company's responsibility to train young people to do basic reading, writing, and math, it's our country's.
posted by Candleman at 2:14 PM on February 6 [32 favorites]


As far as I know, Canada has never felt the need to open a war room against the US before.

Dudes, last time you burned down the White House.
posted by biogeo at 2:19 PM on February 6 [24 favorites]


listen, if we fully funded public education, anyone at all could get a diploma, and we'd rather that everyone's kids get stupid if it keeps an undeserving kid from getting smart
posted by murphy slaw at 2:20 PM on February 6 [40 favorites]


Is it better to have a full formal written letter to be faxed to your congressperson or will the bare "I am INFJ a constituient from Internetland, I would like the seantor to vote HELL NO on DeVos" do?

It's best to include some personal thing about yourself "I am a parent, a teacher, whatever." I included that I have worked in early childhood education and know how vital it is for every child to have access to quality education and how much it can help someone achieve for their whole lives.

Find any personal anecdote you can spin into being about your topic. "My mother lost a large part of her retirement savings in 2008 and therefore I oppose weakening of Dodd Frank" is another one I used.

It cuts down on their ability to dismiss everything as "robocalls" or paid actions or whatever.
posted by threeturtles at 2:22 PM on February 6 [13 favorites]


threeturtles: So if Republicans are now the party of anger and hatred (and I think they are), what does that leave on the table for Democrats? I know we've tried the Unity and Togetherness and Love things, but frankly those are pretty cheesy and to a lot of people sound wimpy.

For a brief, wonderful moment, the Democrats were the Party of America, back in the heady days of October or November, when Hillary had her rally after Donny's, and his looked sad and depressing, with its message of "America is screwed without me" and its low-level celebrity support, while Hillary was lauded as showcasing The Best Of America, including a ton of military support? And commentators were saying "it looks like the Democrats have claimed patriotism from the GOP!"

Yeah, we can do it. We lost then, we have learned, and now we have a metric fuck-ton of fodder against the GOP.
posted by filthy light thief at 2:24 PM on February 6 [31 favorites]


for those interested in feeling a nice feeling, check out this FB exchange, which i just saw on a post for a pro-refugee rally being organized by HIAS.

bless you, Rhonda.
posted by prefpara at 2:25 PM on February 6 [10 favorites]


Our schools are shamefully failing our children and the current administration is only going to make it worse. It's not the company's responsibility to train young people to do basic reading, writing, and math, it's our country's.

While I agree, it's the wealthy in the country that is demanding more and more tax cutting, and when that happens, schools are one of the first to feel the pain. Right now, why would anyone want to become a teacher? The pay is ridiculous, and you're constantly being derided by politicians. Schools are in bad need of repair. Schools need a lot more money than they're getting, but that's not on the horizon. Instead, teachers are busy just trying to keep the peace in the classroom, and if they've got some time to do some meaningful teaching that's great. Industry demands tax cuts in one breath and complains the schools are doing an inadequate job in the next.
posted by azpenguin at 2:26 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


(Seriously though, what was that event called? My google-fu sucks, because I can't think of the date, and there were a ton of rallies and events in that time period, and nothing seems to be the right event - it really happened, right?)
posted by filthy light thief at 2:26 PM on February 6


The democratic national convention?
posted by winna at 2:28 PM on February 6 [9 favorites]


Re: Celebrating Liberal Tears by Tom Tomorrow (with bonus Canadian War Room and Cyborg Theil)
posted by oneswellfoop at 2:30 PM on February 6 [11 favorites]


The democratic national convention?

Yeah, that's it - for some reason, I though it was a lot closer to the election. So it was the heady days of Summer 2016.

Right now, why would anyone want to become a teacher? The pay is ridiculous, and you're constantly being derided by politicians. Schools are in bad need of repair. Schools need a lot more money than they're getting, but that's not on the horizon. Instead, teachers are busy just trying to keep the peace in the classroom, and if they've got some time to do some meaningful teaching that's great. Industry demands tax cuts in one breath and complains the schools are doing an inadequate job in the next.

My mom was an elementary school teacher, and my wife teaches high school. There are a ton of personal benefits from teaching, though like a number of public service jobs, the amount of paperwork has increased to cut into the time you can spend on your true goal, teaching.

From my teacher-adjacent view, worse than pay cuts are additional tests and evaluation systems placed on students AND teachers, which in turn can jeopardize a teacher's future (if there's a bureaucratic know-nothing in charge of "education reform," as we have here in New Mexico).
posted by filthy light thief at 2:34 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


Hey, in one of the the last couple election threads I asked if there might be interest here in crowdsourcing an effort to call out the media (NYT, I'm side-eyeing you) when they print stories about the TrumpAdmin that have gaping holes or are missing context. (Website? Blog? A write-in Letter to the Editor form? Something along those lines.)

A handful of people have MeMailed me expressing interest, so I set up a Slack channel to spitball possibilities. Here's an invite to that channel for anyone who wants to be involved, or who just has a brilliant idea. Here's also a plea for people who might be able to contribute tech skills, if not media criticism, as tech skills are the currently the missing element. Enthusiasm abounds. Experience with web/blog design, not so much.
posted by mudpuppie at 2:38 PM on February 6 [12 favorites]


(Summary of teacher evaluations in NM: they consist of a four-part matrix that grades teachers on student test performances, teacher attendance, classroom observations and teacher “professionalism” conducted by upper-level administrators. -- That's right, if you take too many vacation or sick days, you get dinged, not to even get into the fact that you as a teacher of (generally) a single year of a student's educational career, get punished or rewarded for whatever school history they have - a bad English teacher a year or two prior can impact this year's test, sorry current English teacher -- meanwhile New Mexico has the 2nd highest teacher turn-over, and it looks like the current classes of teachers aren't enough to fill the gaps, so we don't have teachers to spare.)
posted by filthy light thief at 2:39 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


Are they on Air Force One now? Folks are sending our Press Sec quotes like "I don't think the president owns a bathrobe." :shudder:

One of the things in the Summer Zervos lawsuit is this little gem about how when his security escorted her to the private bungalow at the hotel, he greeted her in the nude.

Thinking back to the Michael Jackson litigation, it is not unreasonable to expect that Accused Child Rapist and Serial Sexual Predator Donald J. Trump will be required during discovery to submit photos of his penis and testicles for the jurors to compare against Ms. Zervos' description.

Hey, you gotta look for whatever rays of sunshine you can fine wherever you can find them these days.
posted by mikelieman at 2:40 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


Spicer to provide list of terror attacks that the media didn't cover

Spicer's commitment to provide a list comes hours after Trump claimed the "dishonest press" won't report on terrorist attacks because of unspecified "reasons."

“We’ll provide a list later. There’s several instances …There’s a lot of instances that have occurred where I don’t think they’ve gotten the coverage it deserved,” Spicer told reporters.


I do not like Sean Spicer.
posted by Rust Moranis at 2:40 PM on February 6 [12 favorites]


Spoiler: there won't be a Spicer list and if there is, there won't be actual attacks on it.
posted by Joey Michaels at 2:41 PM on February 6 [30 favorites]


The White House is going to provide a list of unreported terror attacks to media to back up Trump’s claim, @PressSec says (via pool) @passantino w/ image of more text from the pool briefing.

I can't. I mean. I love that there are right-wing claims that A. the media is not recording terror attacks (like Bowling Green) and B. also being complicit in covering false-flag events that never happened (Sandy Hook, according to them).
posted by rewil at 2:42 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


> “We’ll provide a list later. There’s several instances …There’s a lot of instances that have occurred where I don’t think they’ve gotten the coverage it deserved,” Spicer told reporters.

Here, Sean, lemme help you out.
posted by tonycpsu at 2:42 PM on February 6 [26 favorites]


I know I get frustrated with y'all sometimes when e.g. a MetaTalk complaint isn't very well cited, but I want to tell you that I'm really glad none of you are Sean Spicer.
posted by cortex at 2:43 PM on February 6 [89 favorites]


I think we all need to tell each other more often how glad we are that we are not sean spicer
posted by Rust Moranis at 2:45 PM on February 6 [63 favorites]


I know I get frustrated with y'all sometimes when e.g. a MetaTalk complaint isn't very well cited, but I want to tell you that I'm really glad none of you are Sean Spicer.

How do you know........
posted by Talez at 2:45 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


None of you have fuckdippindots@yahoo.com in your signup info.
posted by cortex at 2:46 PM on February 6 [85 favorites]


How do you know........

He'd have typed his password in a comment by now.
posted by dragstroke at 2:46 PM on February 6 [113 favorites]


of course, the first person to post that they are not sean spicer will be sean spicer, so we do have an early warning system
posted by prefpara at 2:49 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


i_love!oranges
posted by biogeo at 2:49 PM on February 6 [7 favorites]


shit
posted by biogeo at 2:50 PM on February 6 [13 favorites]


not sean spicer-ist
posted by localhuman at 2:51 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


correcthorsebatterystaple
posted by Archelaus at 2:51 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


I am SpartacusSeanspicer!
posted by oneswellfoop at 2:51 PM on February 6


Dear Sean, I do not get paid to protest. I do protest your getting paid.
posted by ruetheday at 2:51 PM on February 6 [33 favorites]


fuckdippindots@yahoo.com

Yahoo? I find it hard to believe that a guy who still uses AOL to log on to the World Wide Web so he can surf the Information Superhighway would use anything as advanced as Yahoo! for his email. Probably still has his first email password1234 too.
posted by Existential Dread at 2:51 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


I know I get frustrated with y'all sometimes when e.g. a MetaTalk complaint isn't very well cited, but I want to tell you that I'm really glad none of you are Sean Spicer.

*fills up the Super Soaker*
posted by mudpuppie at 2:51 PM on February 6 [11 favorites]


This man's a Russian agent. The real Sean Spicer died at Bowling Green.
posted by sebastienbailard at 2:55 PM on February 6 [44 favorites]


Rainbo Vagrant: Can I rant about the city-bashing that's been going on for the last year and a half? Not just this specifically, and not even here really, but everything. It is not Boston's damn fault that rural areas are doing poorly.
To piggy-back on this from personal experience: I started a tech company in a relatively-backwater area. After a few years I relocated it to Boston, where it now lives. The reason for this wasn't that I like cities: in fact, my social anxiety is crippling in a city, and so I still live in said backwater. (Actually, I moved even further out into the middle of nowhere, and I finally seem to be doing tolerably. Or I was, until November.) The reason for this was that we couldn't find anyone to hire here and we desperately needed to hire people.

This is why I think capitalism and the "invisible hand" doesn't work: when everyone does what's best for themselves, you end up with resource silos (like a city), because this is the most economically efficient solution. It's not the most resilient solution (a city is vulnerable to supply disruption or natural disaster). It's not the healthiest solution (as demonstrated by the grave rural/urban divide we are now seeing). So you get short-term economic benefits at long-term social cost.

I'm too young and naïve to have any idea what to do about it. I'm trying to help out in the best ways I can locally, but if trying to do the best I could before only contributed (in whatever tiny way) to getting us into this mess, what hope can I have of contributing anything to get us out of it?

These are the things that keep me up at night right now.
posted by ragtag at 2:56 PM on February 6 [14 favorites]


Spicer to provide list of terror attacks that the media didn't cover

Spicer's commitment to provide a list comes hours after Trump claimed the "dishonest press" won't report on terrorist attacks because of unspecified "reasons."

“We’ll provide a list later. There’s several instances …There’s a lot of instances that have occurred where I don’t think they’ve gotten the coverage it deserved,” Spicer told reporters.


Note that Spicer moves the goalposts from Trump's claim:
“It’s gotten to a point where it’s not even being reported,” he told a group of senior commanders. “And in many cases, the very, very dishonest press doesn’t want to report it.”

'Not reported.' They do not report it. It is not covered.

To: "I don’t think they’ve gotten the coverage it deserved,"

He's promising a list of claimed attacks that were covered, but covered 'insufficiently.' He is not actually promising to provide a list of terror attacks that were not covered at all. Since that would be, I presume, impossible to follow through on.

And because it's not a claim that Spicer (or Trump) can actually provide evidence for, what we've gotten is a rapid shift in the goalposts of what they now say Trump said, and what we'll probably get is a list of stuff that was covered widely but that they'll now claim was not actually covered widely, since 'the coverage it deserved' is a fully subjective standard.

We might also get nothing at all, in the hopes that the press and the public forget this, and they'll just keep talking non-specifically about how the media 'doesn't cover terror attacks enough.'

This is really not normal: this was a completely unhinged thing for the President to claim, and it's particularly abnormal to make so extraordinary a claim and then have your press secretary (a) not be prepared to back it up, and (b) lie and shift the goalposts to cover up for the fact that the claim can't actually be supported by evidence, since there isn't any data to support it. It's also mildly terrifying, in that it feels like a statement about justifying a crackdown the media (and Trump has talked a lot about wanting to 'reform libel laws' previously), but that's 2017 I guess.
posted by cjelli at 2:56 PM on February 6 [33 favorites]


> but that's 2017 I guess.

Meanwhile, in a total aside, here's today's Money Stuff column by Matt Levine:
... Anyway, one thing about America in 2017 is that a successful populist presidential campaign resulted in the former president of Goldman Sachs announcing plans to make it easier to rip off retirement savers.
posted by RedOrGreen at 2:58 PM on February 6 [7 favorites]


The real Sean Spicer died at Bowling Green.

/gif of Donald Sutherland pointing and screaming
posted by Existential Dread at 2:58 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


When Mr. Trump is not watching television in his bathrobe or on his phone reaching out to old campaign hands and advisers, he will sometimes set off to explore the unfamiliar surroundings of his new home.

Does he wear tissue boxes on his feet when he's exploring? Where does he keep the jars of urine? Yellow Oval Room?
posted by kirkaracha at 2:59 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


The terrorist attacks that go un(der)reported as such are the ones perpetrated by white "self-radicalized lonewolves*", so I'm sure this "administration" is super concerned about domestic white supremacist terrorists, right? Oh yeah, no.

*Lonewolfs? Lonewolves? Loanwolfs?
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 3:00 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


TwoWordReview: I think there's more than a few republicans that would happily vote against DeVos if they could and agree that she's supremely unqualified. The problem is they can't admit that and allow the democrats to get a hint of a win, so they'll vote in lockstep to hold the line and confirm the nominee (with the token allowed NO votes now that she's out of committee). It's 100% politics over principle, but then what else is new?

It's more than that. According to some in-state folks who've cornered him at events, Jeff Flake has admitted that he's benefited from hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations from DeVos's SuperPAC, and he has to support her if he wants to have a prayer of funding his re-election campaign in 2018. Lots of other GOP senators are in the same boat.
She is basically buying herself a Cabinet position. Good thing she decided 20 years ago to come right out and admit she was buying influence.
posted by Superplin at 3:02 PM on February 6 [25 favorites]




Today's New Yorker cartoon:

Which team does Frederick Douglass play for?
posted by chris24 at 3:02 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


The people showing at protests, many of whom weren't politically active before, are going to vote in upcoming off-year elections, even in gerrymandered red districts.

Hell yes. I am all over this excellent point and will start carrying a stash of Future Voter stickers to give out to folks I meet who want to share my superpower.
posted by ezust at 3:05 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]





The most depressing "encouragement" I've read in awhile:

"People ask me if I’m worried about our country right now. And I say, well I am. But I always try to put things in perspective,” said Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.). “This is a country that survived a civil war followed by the assassination of our president followed by the impeachment of the next president. We got through that, so the Senate will get through this."


tl;omg

this is fine
posted by lalochezia at 3:11 PM on February 6 [9 favorites]


Honestly that "encouragement" makes me want to move to the parallel universe where Reconstruction was done right the first time.
posted by lineofsight at 3:11 PM on February 6 [26 favorites]


"The Senate will get through this, and what I mean by that is some structural components of the Capitol building will still be intact."
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 3:12 PM on February 6 [45 favorites]


"We got through that, so the Senate will get through this."
That's an especially depressing thought for those of us who think the Senate is a totally ANTI-democratic entity that is one of America's greatest weaknesses.
posted by oneswellfoop at 3:13 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


The real Sean Spicer died at Bowling Green.

No, he died when Kate McKinnon debuted her caricature of him on Saturday Night Live.
posted by spitbull at 3:14 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


Well Sen. Carper's technically correct since the majority of members of the senate would probably have access to the necessary underground shelters or fortified compounds or high latitude/altitude redoubts, no matter what kills off the rest of us.
posted by Rust Moranis at 3:17 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]




spitbull: The real Sean Spicer died at Bowling Green. No, he died when Kate McKinnon debuted her caricature of him on Saturday Night Live.

That was Melissa McCarthy.
posted by Superplin at 3:20 PM on February 6 [16 favorites]


It turns out, as everybody except for Trump and his staff already knew, he's legally required to take his salary as President. He's free to donate it to charity (with the resulting tax deduction) or even back to the treasury if he sees fit.

Fun fact: there are several ways in which you can voluntarily fund the US government. You can give to the conscience fund, for people who feel guilty about defrauding the government and want to pay it back, the debt reduction fund (used to reduce the national debt), or just straight up give to the general fund.
posted by zachlipton at 3:22 PM on February 6 [12 favorites]


Barry McCaffrey is not a fan of Trump's latest. The interview is worth watching.

@BraddJaffy
Retired 4-star general: Trump's Putin/US comments may be “the most anti-American statement ever made by the President of the United States” [video]
posted by chris24 at 3:23 PM on February 6 [42 favorites]


We might also get nothing at all, in the hopes that the press and the public forget this, and they'll just keep talking non-specifically about how the media 'doesn't cover terror attacks enough.'

i hope the press just fucking doubles down with extreme prejudice and starts enthusiastically reporting on all instances of crimes committed by white nationalists and MRAs. look at all these shitty horrible white men, donny. fucking look at them. LOOK AT THEM YOU PIGFUCKER. and then anderson cooper jumps off the top rope and hits him with a folding chair
posted by poffin boffin at 3:23 PM on February 6 [39 favorites]


The 9th Circuit has denied Hawaii's petition to join Washington State in the executive order case and will hear oral argument via telephone on Tuesday at 3pm Pacific Time.
posted by zachlipton at 3:24 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


InfoWars: At War Against Real Info Since 2001.
posted by oneswellfoop at 3:25 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


Oh, Wow, Turns Out Donald Trump Can’t Shake Hands, Even at All!

I'd like to see him try this shit with Putin (who's supposed to be decent judoka)
posted by paper chromatographologist at 3:26 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


Let's all take a moment to remember that time rotoscoped Alex Jones got disappeared by government goons
posted by theodolite at 3:29 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


like imagine cbs dramatically announces a 60 Minutes Special Report on "under-reported terror attacks committed on american soil" and the republicretins are all frothing with excitement bc they got their fondest wish and then the opening monologue is like "BEGINNING IN 1492 WHITE SUPREMACY HAS DESTROYED CIVILIZATIONS"
posted by poffin boffin at 3:33 PM on February 6 [49 favorites]


This might also be a good time to mention the very credible* theory that Alex Jones is really Bill Hicks after faking his own death and getting some plastic surgery.
*by Infowars standards
posted by contraption at 3:36 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


I'd like to see him try this shit with Putin (who's supposed to be decent judoka)

His trick is to keep his hand close to his body and let his partner reach out. By the time you've made that mistake there's not much you can do.

The solution is for everyone to hold their hands close and wait for Trump to come to them before shaking. Probably result in a lot fewer handshakes, which is a win for everyone, since Trump is a germaphobe.
posted by Coventry at 3:40 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


You could also step very, very close before shaking hands such that your hand is also kept next to your body. This would have the added benefit of making germaphobe Trump quite uncomfortable
posted by Justinian at 3:43 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


You could also step very, very close before shaking hands

... and whisper, "I just peed on my hand"
posted by Buntix at 3:46 PM on February 6 [9 favorites]


i hope the queen sneezes wetly right in his face
posted by poffin boffin at 3:47 PM on February 6 [33 favorites]


The most depressing "encouragement" I've read in awhile:

"People ask me if I’m worried about our country right now. And I say, well I am. But I always try to put things in perspective,” said Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.). “This is a country that survived a civil war followed by the assassination of our president followed by the impeachment of the next president. We got through that, so the Senate will get through this."


I mean, sure, but the rebs didn't have access to nuclear weapons. I assure you, many of them would have preferred to see the nation burn to the ground than see a government promote some measure of racial equality.
posted by absalom at 3:48 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


This may obviously have been covered before, but are there any credible sources explaining why Donny the Homicidal Maniac has so far not been convicted of any crime?

Mind you, I haven't read my Vanity Fair yet.
posted by tel3path at 3:48 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


I am watching NBC nightly news and they were talking briefly about fake news and then as they start to show a clip of Donnie telling CENTCOM about the under reported terror attacks, the reporter voice over says, "and it looks like trump decided to deliver some fake news of his own...".

Quote is slightly paraphrased. I can't remember if she said "the president" or "trump".

And I did a jaw drop back flip [fake] and had to tell you guys!
posted by futz at 3:49 PM on February 6 [14 favorites]


I can't. I mean. I love that there are right-wing claims that A. the media is not recording terror attacks (like Bowling Green) and B. also being complicit in covering false-flag events that never happened (Sandy Hook, according to them).

Yes, well. You know how cable news hates to report on anything violent.
posted by holborne at 3:54 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


(Loneswolf, surely)
posted by thebrokedown at 3:55 PM on February 6 [12 favorites]


I love how Trump thinks he has better, totally different, sources of intel than CENTCOM.
posted by corb at 3:55 PM on February 6 [14 favorites]


Wolves-Lone.
posted by tivalasvegas at 3:57 PM on February 6 [10 favorites]


i await the day an interviewer just laughs in his face. if any of them have the balls. which i doubt.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 3:59 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


Could we drop the whole derail about taking advantage of his supposed germophobia? It's... kinda skeevy, to be honest.
posted by Archelaus at 3:59 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


It seems CNN wasn't the only one to reject Kellyanne Conway. Mika says Morning Joe did too.
posted by chris24 at 4:00 PM on February 6 [22 favorites]


Mika says Morning Joe did too.

Well well, look who just received a long-delayed shipment of standards! Use 'em wisely, Joe!
posted by tivalasvegas at 4:02 PM on February 6 [27 favorites]


i hope the queen sneezes wetly right in his face

One would have a Beefeater perform the sneeze.
posted by Celsius1414 at 4:03 PM on February 6 [10 favorites]


Did the journalists of the day ever drop any Nixon spokespeople, the way Conway is getting dropped?
posted by Coventry at 4:03 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


@WillRemix
The Obamas on the kiss cam is quite possibly the best thing you will see all week. [video]
posted by chris24 at 4:05 PM on February 6 [48 favorites]


i think the media are starting to realize that Prevaricator Without Portfolio is not an actual executive branch position and they're not obligated to treat her as a legitimate mouthpiece
posted by murphy slaw at 4:06 PM on February 6 [7 favorites]


Joe will be back on the Trump love caboose again. His spine wobbles at the slightest shift in the Nielson ratings.
posted by Yowser at 4:08 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


There is a Twitter account for Trump's Bathrobe. (of course there is)
posted by CoffeeHikeNapWine at 4:12 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


The Obamas on the kiss cam is quite possibly the best thing you will see all week. [video]

Favorite protest sign I saw this weekend was "I knew I'd miss the Obamas, but HOLY SHIT!!!"
posted by TwoWordReview at 4:13 PM on February 6 [24 favorites]


Oh that kiss! Makes me so happy and then I crash back down to earth as I remember he is the past and Trump is the present.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 4:13 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


There is a Twitter account for Trump's Bathrobe. (of course there is)

No. Trump is not cool enough to wear a Star Trek-inspired robe.
posted by peeedro at 4:15 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


I am not seeing any other outlets reporting this. If true, it is more cause for worry. Fucking evil-doers.

FBI will revert to using fax machines, snail mail for FOIA requests ~ Starting March 1, the FBI will no longer accept FOIA requests via email.

At the beginning of March, the FBI will no longer accept FOIA requests via email. Instead, requesters will have to rely on fax machines and standard mail (“snail mail”) in order to communicate with the agency’s records management division. The agency will also accept a fraction of requests through an online portal, provided users agree to a terms-of-service agreement and are willing to provide the FBI with personal information, including a phone number and physical address.
posted by futz at 4:15 PM on February 6 [32 favorites]


do these geniuses not realize that there are free email-to-fax gateways that you can hook up to your gmail account?
posted by murphy slaw at 4:18 PM on February 6 [22 favorites]


do these geniuses not realize that there are free email-to-fax gateways that you can hook up to your gmail account?

Is this a trick question?
posted by uosuaq at 4:20 PM on February 6 [14 favorites]


They can always claim the machine was out of paper and did not receive. Traditional mail is slow because (govt. sucks, takes time, hiring freeze). Ineptitude is a feature.
posted by cmfletcher at 4:23 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


It kills me that Trudeau is sacrificing his career to fight this evil. Maybe it would suck less if the Liberals would join the NDP, Green Party, and (!) some Conservatives in denouncing Trump.
posted by Yowser at 4:23 PM on February 6 [7 favorites]


MetaFilter: none of you are Sean Spicer
posted by Johnny Wallflower at 4:24 PM on February 6 [6 favorites]


One would have a Beefeater perform the sneeze.

Bonus: Receiving a sneeze from a Beefeater would almost necessarily be accompanied by a bonk on the head from the Beefeater's headgear!
posted by mudpuppie at 4:25 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Fax machines are, for whatever reason, considered more credible by lawyers, aren't they? Is this an own-goal for the obstructors of truth?
posted by Yowser at 4:26 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


so it's the lawyers who are keeping fax machines around in 2017? wow, never thought it would be anything other than Word Perfect. congrats, you technological throwbacks.
posted by indubitable at 4:32 PM on February 6 [6 favorites]


Fax machines are great because if you run out of paper you can just have someone fax some over.
posted by bigbigdog at 4:33 PM on February 6 [15 favorites]


Fax machines are, for whatever reason, considered more credible by lawyers, aren't they? Is this an own-goal for the obstructors of truth?

Ooh actually this would be a fantastic role for all of the awesome volunteer lawyers out there to play, offering to let citizens use their fax machines for FOIA requests. It's one thing to be all "lol guess we were out of paper" to some rando citizen but to have a lawyer say "faxes from my office were sent on [giant list of timestamps] and you were out of paper/the fax machine was down every time?" is something else.
posted by jason_steakums at 4:36 PM on February 6 [20 favorites]


so it's the lawyers who are keeping fax machines around in 2017?

In my experience, it's health care; but the same argument likely applies: Faxes are considered the only "secure" electronic method of transmitting confidential information because they are point-to-point. At least, that is how it has been explained to me.
posted by nubs at 4:36 PM on February 6 [10 favorites]


Guys, the only reason lawyers still use fax machines in some jursidictions that some courts won't accept emails as evidence of delivery. Faxes can be configured to print receipts that evidence delivery.

This was boggling when I was a baby lawyer ten years ago. It's even dumber now. Some jurisidctions are only just catching up now.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 4:37 PM on February 6 [7 favorites]


There are still university offices that will only accept faxes of your tuition assistance forms, and when I worked in financials, faxes were still required for certain transactions.

It's ridiculous and I still make fun of it when I am told to fax something.
posted by Kitteh at 4:41 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]




FWIW: 30 more companies file to join the immigration-ban amicus brief; including SpaceX and Tesla. Full list in the article.
Musk’s stance may have kept other companies from reaching out to Tesla or SpaceX about signing on to the brief in the first place — a Tesla spokesperson told TechCrunch that the company didn’t hear about the brief until this morning. “As soon we saw the brief this morning, we insisted on being added,” the spokesperson said.
Yeeeeeeah, I'm sure that's exactly how it happened.
posted by We had a deal, Kyle at 4:46 PM on February 6 [24 favorites]


FBI will revert to using fax machines, snail mail for FOIA requests ~ Starting March 1, the FBI will no longer accept FOIA requests via email.

They're hardening their defenses against the Cylons.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:51 PM on February 6 [9 favorites]


And the "not covered goalpost-moved to not covered enough" terror attack list is out. And ridiculous. Includes Paris, Nice, Istanbul, Orlando, and San Bernandino.

@danmericaCNN
A White House official says "most" of these 78 attacks since 2014 have not received enough attention from media. [list]
posted by chris24 at 4:58 PM on February 6 [25 favorites]


So I guess now the scavenger hunt begins for enough press clippings on each event from the list. Something to keep everybody busy with...
posted by birdheist at 5:00 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


Well, that's fucking ridiculous.

Do they list any terror attacks in Bagdad or Kabul?
posted by suelac at 5:00 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


Surreal.
posted by Justinian at 5:01 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


I'd like to see him try this shit with Putin (who's supposed to be decent judoka)

I'd like to see him try it with a man who has some self-respect. You yank my arm in like that and you're getting a purple-nurple from my other hand.
posted by srboisvert at 5:04 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


is a purple nurple the same as a titty twister?
posted by Justinian at 5:05 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


They misspell "attacker" so many times on this list...
posted by samthemander at 5:05 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


And the "not covered goalpost-moved to not covered enough" terror attack list is out. And ridiculous. Includes Paris, Nice, Istanbul, Orlando, and San Bernandino.

Charleston is missing from that list. Can't help but wonder if Quebec City will be on there.
posted by shapes that haunt the dusk at 5:06 PM on February 6 [22 favorites]


I'd like to see him try it with a man who has some self-respect.

Or woman.
posted by futz at 5:07 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


I honestly can't believe they made some junior staffer google up "list of terrorist attacks" and started copy/pasting everything that wasn't a weeklong major story.

One item on the list is a "US person" who shot a police officer in Philadelphia in January 2016. An event that went so unreported that Wikipedia only has 48 citations for its article.
posted by zachlipton at 5:09 PM on February 6 [15 favorites]


Seattle University's Fred T. Korematsu Institute has also filed an amicus brief in the 9th Circuit case, attacking the plenary power doctrine (which limits judicial review of immigration law) as a relic of the racist Chinese Exclusion Act originally used to justified it.

They urge the courts not to make the same mistakes they made in Plessy or Korematsu, where contemporary prejudice and false claims of security threats were allowed to override constitutional protections. They point to case law in which courts review immigration rules for whether they are “rationally advancing some legitimate governmental purpose.”

This is really attacking the heart of the matter: The president claims the executive order is necessary for national security, but all evidence shows that the security claims are based not in facts but in racial and religious prejudice. The constitution gives the courts the authority to reject this, and history shows that they must do so.
posted by mbrubeck at 5:09 PM on February 6 [74 favorites]


To be clear, it was a "US person" "ATTAKER [sic]"
posted by zachlipton at 5:09 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


The list provided misspells 'San Bernardino' and 'Attacker'.
The list provided shows that each of these attacks in the US (only 4 in their list I think) were by 'US persons' so a travel ban would be useless to prevent these attacks.
I'm guessing the US persons in question didn't have muslim sounding names, which is why they're listed as 'US person' instead of actually giving their names.
The list includes the Paris attacks as under-reported!
posted by TwoWordReview at 5:10 PM on February 6 [26 favorites]


They misspell "attacker" so many times on this list...

and San Bernardino.
posted by waitingtoderail at 5:10 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


It's not real until someone writes a protest song about it.
posted by I_Love_Bananas at 5:12 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


A White House official says "most" of these 78 attacks since 2014 have not received enough attention from media. [list]

"Most," or, 'some of these have received enough attention but we left them in because we weren't going to spend a lot of time vetting a list we just made up against an imaginary standard that's likely to move as soon as this gets criticized anyway.'
posted by cjelli at 5:12 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


Also under-reported according to DJT: Hillary's emails, the greatness of Trump hotels, how hot Ivanka is.
posted by tonycpsu at 5:13 PM on February 6 [9 favorites]


I've got $5 on getting an official White House communication that starts out "Webster's Dictionary defines terrorism as..."
posted by jason_steakums at 5:15 PM on February 6 [25 favorites]


I've got $5 on getting an official White House communication that starts out "Webster's Dictionary defines terrorism as..."

Which would be delightful because the Merriam-Webster twitter account has been throwing shade on this administration since the inauguration (probably before).
posted by TwoWordReview at 5:17 PM on February 6 [10 favorites]


WEBSTER'S HOWEVER, DOES NOT DEFINE ATTAKER
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 5:17 PM on February 6 [18 favorites]


Is there a list of the attacks that is legible?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:17 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


At this point, I wouldn't be shocked if they started unironically citing Conservapedia.
posted by tonycpsu at 5:18 PM on February 6


They've also omitted all of the attacks in sub-Saharan Africa, where the majority of such attacks take place. Terrorism in Nigera is just irrelevant to these people apparently.
posted by zachlipton at 5:18 PM on February 6 [17 favorites]


They're hardening their defenses against the Cylons.

Well there are only twelve models of Cylon, which could explain Trump's difficulty finding enough people to fill out his cabinet and staff the West Wing.
posted by Bringer Tom at 5:18 PM on February 6 [14 favorites]


Former NOAA Scientist Confirms Colleagues Manipulated Climate Records

This the newest press release from science.house.gov, the House Committee on Science, Space & Technology. My heavens, is it infuriating to see Breitbart-style climate-denial garbage produced as the official word of the US government. Tomorrow they've scheduled a full committee hearing titled "Making EPA Great Again."

Don't forget that it's not just Lord Dampnut. There's an army of opportunist monsters under him and they're leaping at the chance to kill the fucking world.
posted by Rust Moranis at 5:21 PM on February 6 [16 favorites]




Winter is coming.

I have a feeling that American Spring is coming, too.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:24 PM on February 6 [15 favorites]


Shifting FOIA requests to fax/mail has a bigger effect than just getting fewer of them. Mail and fax documents aren't searchable, and the contents have to be re-entered digitally into whatever they're using to track the actual documents. It's an opportunity for errors (typos, etc.) to enter the process, AND it's hours of extra work, additionally slowing everything down even more.

The combination of reducing the requests, adding extra time requirements to deal with them (both needing to copy details from paper into digital form, and the problem of not having enough people to keep up with the paper requests), and adding error opportunities (typos, lost letters, things that got put at the bottom of the stack) will serve to slow things down - until a court gets involved and has to rule on whether the gov't is deliberately avoiding requests.

We don't yet know how badly the new administration is going to try to completely ignore court orders, but it's likely that denial won't be nearly as widespread as the ones at the top would like.

(Saying, "only send us paper!" for a crowdsourced activity is a stupid, stupid move; it's a great way to get buried in paperwork. And yes, they'll ignore them - but someone has to sort that mail, and the more there is, the bigger the chance that something they care about is mixed in the wrong pile.)
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 5:27 PM on February 6 [20 favorites]


This the newest press release from science.house.gov, the House Committee on Science, Space & Technology. My heavens, is it infuriating to see Breitbart-style climate-denial garbage produced as the official word of the US government.

What they don't mention is that their evidence for disputing the Karl study was an article in that most prestigious of science journals (particularly noted for their in-depth research on what does and doesn't cause cancer): The Daily Mail.

They also seem to think it's not worth mentioning that the conclusions are supported by a number of other completely independent studies.
posted by Buntix at 5:30 PM on February 6 [15 favorites]


The “underreported” terrorist attack list also includes:
HURGHADA, EGYPT
January, 2016
TARGET: One German and one Danish national wounded in knife attack at a tourist resort
ATTAKER: Unidentified
But, as was widely reported at the time, it turns out the victims were actually two Australians and a Swede, and the attaker (sic) was identified as Egyptian student Mohammed Hassan Mohammed Mahfouz. They are not even trying.
posted by mbrubeck at 5:30 PM on February 6 [26 favorites]




What, like we don't kill people too?
posted by Rykey at 5:35 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Here is a more in depth story: Up to 13,000 secretly hanged in Syrian jail, says Amnesty: Many thousands more people held in Saydnaya prison died through torture and starvation, Amnesty said, and the bodies were dumped in two mass graves on the outskirts of Damascus between midnight and dawn most Tuesday mornings for at least five years.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:41 PM on February 6 [8 favorites]


Is anyone tabulating the nationalities of the attakers? Curious how they line up with the Muslim Ban countries.
posted by Coventry at 5:41 PM on February 6


Strike in Yemen missed al Qaeda leader: report

Hey remember that counter-terrorist strike in Yemen? The one that our president ordered unadvisedly and then went to go watch Finding Dory? The one that led to 2 destroyed US aircraft, 1 dead SEAL and 4 wounded?
The one that led to dozens of women and children killed, including an 8-year old American girl who was shot in the neck? Turns out the main target was completely missed and he's now taunting the president via recordings.

This should be Benghazied beyond all bounds of Benghazi and Nawar Al-Awlaki's picture should be on signs at every protest for the duration of the emergency. A fuckup of this magnitude cannot be forgotten.
posted by Rust Moranis at 5:44 PM on February 6 [71 favorites]


President Trump, Quebec, and the Dismantling of CVE (the Countering Violent Extremism program.)
posted by homunculus at 5:52 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Pulse is on the list? I feel like I'm still living with the details of Pulse that the media reported on.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:53 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


It's a bit late in the thread to mention the title, but am I the only one who read "Trump Roundup" and pictured a spray that would keep racists from coming out of the woodwork?
posted by uosuaq at 5:54 PM on February 6 [14 favorites]


Politico: White House rattled by McCarthy's spoof of Spicer
More than being lampooned as a press secretary who makes up facts, it was Spicer’s portrayal by a woman that was most problematic in the president’s eyes, according to sources close to him. And the unflattering send-up by a female comedian was not considered helpful for Spicer’s longevity in the grueling, high-profile job, where he has struggled to strike the right balance between representing an administration that considers the media the "opposition party," and developing a functional relationship with the press.
Can we get women to play every Republican now?
posted by zachlipton at 5:56 PM on February 6 [156 favorites]


I'm still looking for a clip, but this is reportedly from the O'Reilly interview tonight:
Trump: "[Obama] likes me.”
O'Reilly: “How do you know?”
Trump: "I can feel it. That’s what I do in life. It’s called, like, I understand.”
posted by zachlipton at 5:58 PM on February 6 [29 favorites]


Can we get women to play every Republican now?

A man playing Ivanka would do nicely.
posted by waitingtoderail at 5:59 PM on February 6 [21 favorites]


Given the events of the past two weeks, I have no doubt that the word "Trump" will still be in universal currency – routinely used to denote incomparable fuckups and world-class incompetents in all humanity's languages – a thousand years from now. If, that is, there's anyone still here a thousand years from now.
posted by adamgreenfield at 5:59 PM on February 6 [6 favorites]


Obama hates him so much. So much.
posted by Justinian at 6:00 PM on February 6 [55 favorites]


developing a functional relationship with the press.

That's something they are even trying to do?
posted by Artw at 6:00 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


I have a feeling that American Spring is coming, too.

It's Springtime for Bannon and Trump-ity.
posted by tobascodagama at 6:01 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


It's a bit late in the thread to mention the title, but am I the only one who read "Trump Roundup" and pictured a spray that would keep racists from coming out of the woodwork?

I'm more picturing some classic American trumpboys, riding horseback as they wrangle up their herd of Trumps, moving them across the vast expanses of this proud and majestic land, all the way from the Colorado Rockies to the stockyards of Mar-A-Lago, the trumpboys keeping a watchful eye all the while for a Trump breaking free of the herd and for the mountain lions and prairie wolves that lie in wait for any old and slow Trumps or their young and foolhardy Trumplings.
posted by Rust Moranis at 6:01 PM on February 6 [9 favorites]




Wait, the thing that Trump is holding against Spicer is that a woman played him on TV? What is this? Where am I? I am seeing spots and wavy lines. Am I passing through to some new level of shock, disappointment and disgust? I didn't know there was another level.
posted by Joey Michaels at 6:04 PM on February 6 [51 favorites]


Well, of course they haven't been covered "enough". We aren't all cowering under our beds and letting Lord Dampnut rule the world. If they'd been covered "enough" we'd have just handed him whatever power he asked for, no questions asked!
posted by jferg at 6:04 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


They misspell "attacker" so many times on this list...

This list is very dangerious and may attack at any time. We must deal with it.
posted by INFJ at 6:04 PM on February 6 [6 favorites]


Can we get women to play every Republican now?

Baldwin is getting old, and it would probably be particularly galling to Trump if he were not played by someone other than an actor with an alpha male typecast.
posted by Coventry at 6:04 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


This was boggling when I was a baby lawyer ten years ago.

ooooo post some pics of the little baby fax machines
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 6:04 PM on February 6 [14 favorites]


Melania sues Mail Online a third time for claiming she was an escort
”Plaintiff had the unique, once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, as an extremely famous and well-known person…to launch a broad-based commercial brand in multiple product categories, each of which could have garnered multi-million dollar business relationships for a multi-year term during which plaintiff is one of the most photographed women in the world,” the Manhattan suit says.

“These product categories would have included, among other things, apparel, accessories, shoes, jewelry, cosmetics, hair care, skin care and fragrance,” according to the $150 million filing.
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posted by sebastienbailard at 6:09 PM on February 6 [18 favorites]


The thing about Trump's wanna-be-alpha-male handshake, is that he often does it in the "spotlight", when folks expect a certain level of decorum. Essentially he's catching people off guard and exploiting the circumstance to his satisfy his weird, sociopathic needs.

If he did that to an average Joe, mechanic, trucker whatever...there would be a quick release and WTF?! I would expect a good shove and raised fist too.

BUT, what's important to know about this phony-ass machismo tactic is that he does it to cover for his insecurity. His inadequacy.

He really believes that it is an effective tool to dominate...what he doesn't know is that he is probably, almost always, the dumbest, most dull person in any given room or arena.

He is a huckster, a rube, a mark and he's being played by so many people, entities, factions and interests that when all is said and done, he'll be the most bent-over fucked and used dumb-fuck...probably in the history of mankind.

I'm not making this comment out of any kind of optimism. I think it's very fucking clear and obvious. Not only is he a rube, but everyone who voted for him is too. They've been played and manipulated and huckstered right into this shit-fest. Fuck all of them for succumbing to those base instincts of hatred and racism and willful ignorance.

We will fight and we will rise and THIS NATION WILL BE BETTER FOR IT!

(I love you guys! Thanks for keeping me sane!)
posted by snsranch at 6:14 PM on February 6 [33 favorites]


Trump is pissed that Spicer was portrayed as a woman because that makes him "weak"?Huh. I'm continually fascinated by the new depths of my hatred for this man that I get to discover each day.
posted by gatorae at 6:15 PM on February 6 [59 favorites]


Can we get women to play every Republican now?

I don't think we'll find a woman who would want to play DeVos.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 6:17 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Melissa McCarthy must replace Alec Baldwin in portraying Donald immediately.
posted by biogeo at 6:17 PM on February 6 [41 favorites]


Also SNL must quickly become MTWTFSNL (they can have Sundays off).
posted by uosuaq at 6:19 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


Melissa McCarthy must replace Alec Baldwin in portraying Donald immediately.

Nah, let her stay as Spicer as long as he's still there. Baldwin is hosting this week, so hopefully he'll host the damn thing as Trump. Has anyone ever hosted in character before?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:19 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


Guess it's time to weaponize SNL now!
posted by yasaman at 6:20 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


I'll look at Melissa McCarthy different from now on. That performance was fucking genius.
posted by angrybear at 6:20 PM on February 6 [47 favorites]


Leslie Jones in an orange wig.
posted by mcdoublewide at 6:21 PM on February 6 [61 favorites]


Melissa McCarthy must replace Alec Baldwin in portraying Donald immediately.

Yep. This is Trump just begging them to play him with a woman next week. He might actually stroke out. Paging Tina Fey?
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:22 PM on February 6 [7 favorites]


I'd kind of like to see actual Hillary Clinton's impersonation of Trump.
posted by zachlipton at 6:23 PM on February 6 [36 favorites]


Rosie O'Donnell.
posted by notyou at 6:23 PM on February 6 [91 favorites]


Can Rosie O'Donnell do a Trump impersonation?

edit: looks like we all had the same, absolutely correct idea
posted by birdheist at 6:23 PM on February 6 [37 favorites]


I was looking forward to the ever growing protest that is being planned for my congressman when this beauty came along.

Choice quote:

I will be mustering up the militia forces at 10:30 a.m.,” wrote Ross on Facebook. “I need all patriots in attendance to protect Congressman Gaetz from any potential disruption of his speech. Concealed carry permit holders most welcome – don’t forget your ammo.”

He added, “We support the right of protesters to protest but we must prepare a defensive posture for Congressman Gaetz. These Marxists have shown a propensity for violence at their protests across this nation – we will be there with the Sherriff to ensure force protection of our Congressman.”

posted by R.F.Simpson at 6:23 PM on February 6 [12 favorites]


are you kidding me? it should be ROSIE O'DONNELL
posted by poffin boffin at 6:23 PM on February 6 [37 favorites]


SNL Cold Open. White House. Oval Office. Empty.

Enter ALEC BALDWIN but dressed as Rex Tillerson.

(Trump sitting alone in a gold bathrobe, watching on TV: "Oh, thank GOD!"

TILLERSON: Mr. President?! Are you here?

Enter AMY POEHLER in orange makeup with a dead rat on her head.

(Trump: "Oh, what the FUCK?!")
posted by SpaceBass at 6:24 PM on February 6 [14 favorites]


Amy Schumer.
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:24 PM on February 6 [10 favorites]


Yes Leslie Jones.. Donald's head would explode.
posted by angrybear at 6:24 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


Given Trump's weird obsession with her, maybe Rosie O'Donnell can play Trump next week?
posted by downtohisturtles at 6:24 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


who even cares if it was immediately followed by the nuclear annihilation of all life on earth it would be WORTH IT
posted by poffin boffin at 6:25 PM on February 6 [26 favorites]


On review, poffin's got it.
posted by downtohisturtles at 6:25 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


If they don't have the whole show blocked out yet, how about a closing segment with Baldwin as Trump doing a Doctor Who-style regeneration into Meryl Streep? Rosie O'Donnell would be excellent too.
posted by oneswellfoop at 6:25 PM on February 6


Can Rosie O'Donnell do a Trump impersonation?

Does a bear shit in the .... never mind.
posted by spitbull at 6:26 PM on February 6


@Atrios: "Rosie for Bannon, Meryl for Tr*mp, and the presidency is over."
posted by holgate at 6:27 PM on February 6 [20 favorites]


chris farley would've done it in a diaper screaming like a demented baby

what a loss for the universe in general
posted by poffin boffin at 6:27 PM on February 6 [34 favorites]


Sue them in court, discovery might discover some interesting things... Like when you came to America, Melania.
posted by Yowser at 6:27 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


Has anyone ever hosted in character before?
Other than the fact that all modern celebrity is putting on a character:

S09E09: Father Guido Sarducci/Huey Lewis and the News
S11E03: Pee-wee Herman/Queen Ida & the Bon Temps Zydeco Band
posted by ckape at 6:28 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


There are so many funny women, seems a shame not to let all of them take a crack at him.
posted by biogeo at 6:28 PM on February 6 [13 favorites]


Nuclear annihilation is just the tail of Donald's story arc where he finally learns compassion as he comforts a homeless man dying of radiation poisoning.
posted by angrybear at 6:29 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


I think only a drag queen could pull off Ivanka's gender performance.
posted by pxe2000 at 6:31 PM on February 6 [8 favorites]




I think that Rosie would nail the mouth movements. And an orange wig on her? Perfect! I don't want to her to become a target but the xtra bonus of course is the white hot rage that Trumple Thinskin has for her.
posted by futz at 6:32 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


Tina Fey and Amy Poehler can play Eric and Don, Jr.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:32 PM on February 6 [15 favorites]


Daniel Dale nicely summarizes the ridiculous pattern we're trapped in:
Eternal sequence:
- Trump lies
- Allies add nuance
- "What he meant was (insert talking point)"
- Talking point coverage
- Media-bashing
posted by zachlipton at 6:32 PM on February 6 [16 favorites]


Are there SNL staff who are twitter-accessible?
posted by Coventry at 6:33 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


Indivisible
#KnockEveryDoor
Swing Left
Run For Something
Operation 45
Movement 2017


Wasn't there some talk on one of these threads about Swing Left not being a legit organization? I mean, I hope they are legit—I like their idea—but I remember somebody calling them into question.
posted by Rykey at 6:34 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


chris farley would've done it in a diaper screaming like a demented baby

You don't think he would have tried to lampoon Trump?
posted by Etrigan at 6:34 PM on February 6 [8 favorites]


> I've been seeing things on Facebook about a general strike for February 17. I'm worried it will not be well organized and doesn't have a clear goal, but would want to support and join if it is. Anyone here have any more information about it?

You Can’t Fake It: A general strike could transform American politics. But we’re nowhere near being able to call one.
posted by homunculus at 6:35 PM on February 6 [16 favorites]


about Swing Left not being a legit organization?

definitely.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 6:36 PM on February 6


There was initial skepticism on Daily Kos about Swing Left, based on (incomplete) info about the founder, but then people pointed out it was incomplete information and I'm not sure where things landed after that.
posted by LobsterMitten at 6:38 PM on February 6


Swing Left didn't really have any staff information up at first, they do now. Jia Tolentino did a piece on them for the New Yorker:
The importance of transparency was publicly impressed upon Swing Left’s founders within a few days of the Web site’s launch: they didn’t initially identify themselves anywhere on the site, and that—along with the staggering, immediate response—prompted skepticism in some corners of the Internet. A community blogger on Daily Kos wrote a post headlined “Swing Left Is Not to Be Trusted as a Progressive Resource.” The blogger noted, gratuitously, that Krafchin’s former business partner had a Russian name, and conjectured that Swing Left might be trying to run “unverified” candidates against Democrats, to split the progressive vote. I asked Todras-Whitehill if he was an agent of the Russian state. “Not to my knowledge,” he said, laughing. “But that’s life on the Internet these days. And it’s good that our community had questions. We heard them, and we’re committed to transparency.” This week, the founders put their names on the site’s About page, and Krafchin posted an open question on Quora, asking what Swing Left should add to its map.
posted by yasaman at 6:39 PM on February 6 [8 favorites]


Several people here reported getting bogus data back from Swing Left. Wrong congresscritters, solidly red states supposed to be swing states, etc.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 6:40 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


"we literally won a Pulitzer for covering one of the things on this list" — @mattdpearce

(Los Angeles Times Staff, 2016 Pulitzer for Breaking News Reporting for coverage of the San Bernardino shooting)
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 6:41 PM on February 6 [68 favorites]


It's not real until someone writes a protest song about it.

My favorite part about this was that in the suggested videos there are THREE other Bowling Green remembrance songs. That means in the past few days at least four people wrote satirical songs. Sometimes I love the internet.
posted by Waiting for Pierce Inverarity at 6:44 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


From the Politico article:

"Trump doesn't like his people to look weak," added a top Trump donor.

Has he looked in the damn mirror?

Trump’s uncharacteristic Twitter silence over the weekend about the “Saturday Night Live” sketch was seen internally as a sign of how uncomfortable it made the White House feel.

Did the WH feel better after its diaper was changed?

But on Tuesday, Spicer has the uncomfortable task of facing reporters once again in the briefing room — where the elephant in the room will be the unflattering McCarthy caricature

squee! I hope he quits before donnie has the chance to fire him.
posted by futz at 6:45 PM on February 6 [12 favorites]


I honestly hope that Spicer tries to pick up the podium and walk with it.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 6:46 PM on February 6 [27 favorites]


I hope SNL goes even harder. Make them squirm.

I don't know what SNL going at them harder would look like but that's why they're bigshot comedy writers and I'm not.
posted by Justinian at 6:50 PM on February 6 [6 favorites]


@realLordDampnut
The failing @nytimes was forced to apologize to its subscribers for the poor reporting it did on my election win. Now they are worse!


Still crankin' over the NYT piece. Suspicious silence re: SNL.
posted by Rust Moranis at 6:51 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Who the hell will take that job after Spicer? Administrations tend to run through press secretaries to begin with, and Spicer is a joke with less than zero credibility (not that this appears to matter to this administration) 2 weeks in. But even Trumplestilkinites have to see that that position is a magnet for Trump's wrath, leaving only someone even stupider/less shameless than Spicer up next. Milo? Alex Jones? One of the Skype callers from ChrISIS controlled red state territory?
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:51 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Miller will take the job. Nearly certain.
posted by Rust Moranis at 6:52 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Spicer at least needs to brandish a super soaker menacingly.

Then ideally, slowly put it down, hang his head, sigh, and shuffle out of the room. A decade from now, a small town newspaper runs a public interest story about the weird guy who lives alone on the edge of town.
posted by mrgoat at 6:54 PM on February 6 [11 favorites]


Suspicious silence re: SNL.

I think they figured out that their SNL reactions were only digging them in deeper.
posted by Coventry at 6:57 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


The blogger noted, gratuitously, that Krafchin’s former business partner had a Russian name, and conjectured that Swing Left might be trying to run “unverified” candidates against Democrats, to split the progressive vote.

nope, the Democrat obsession with Russia is definitely not xenophobic and gross
posted by indubitable at 6:57 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]




is a purple nurple the same as a titty twister?

It's a matter of degree
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 6:58 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


nope, the Democrat obsession with Russia is definitely not xenophobic and gross

Democrat-ic. The adjective is Democratic.

"Democrat" as an adjective was a right-wing shibboleth from the Bush era, and fuck those guys.
posted by tobascodagama at 6:59 PM on February 6 [39 favorites]


Underreported fact: he's sending Omarosa to attend the inaguration of the new President of Haiti

Secretary of "Black Stuff"
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 7:00 PM on February 6 [32 favorites]


I don't know what SNL going at them harder would look like

A sketch about the president and his creepy touchy-feely relationship with his daughter, with Ivanka being played by a guy. (Even works well as a message of, "we could not, in good conscience, force any woman to be groped by that guy, even by a surrogate stand-in.")

Also, remember that he gets really, really upset when it's claimed he's not a billionaire. A sketch where he bemoans his lack of money as he discovers the difference between "gross income" and "net income" would also annoy the hell out of him.
posted by ErisLordFreedom at 7:00 PM on February 6 [19 favorites]


nope, the Democrat obsession with Russia is definitely not xenophobic and gross

when you try to say something sarcastic but it's actually true
posted by uosuaq at 7:05 PM on February 6 [9 favorites]


Who the hell will take that job after Spicer?

It's hard to think of Press Sec. as a desirable gig when you're watching someone fucking languish under the pressure of it (and so to some extent it's kind of hard to ever think of it as a desirable gig), but ignore for a moment all of that squirming, cringe-shudder stuff and it's basically metatron for the President of the United States.

If you want a high-visibility, high-influence PR position, that's a biggie. Do it right and your career prospects are pretty great. Etc.

Now, say you're someone in the Trump inner circle, and you're watchings Sean Spicer wriggle on the hook, and you've got the mindset and the aspirations and a belief that you can do it better, the idea of stepping up and limbering up your batting arm and Showing 'Em How It's Done gets to be not just tolerable but borderline irresistible.

Plus, it's not like the warmup act is going to be hard to follow, right?

None of this is predicting that the next Press Sec. will not also wallow in misery because their POTUS is a maddening sack of shit. But there is zero doubt in my mind that several people are currently slavering over the prospect of taking Spicer's place.
posted by cortex at 7:11 PM on February 6 [8 favorites]


I would pay good money to see Trump played by Dawn French
posted by Mchelly at 7:13 PM on February 6 [29 favorites]


I'm curious about #KnockEveryDoor. I have a fair amount of experience doing canvass organizing and training, and I could help out with #KnockEveryDoor. On the other hand, we *did* knock every door this year, and it didn't seem to help that much, so I'm a little unconvinced about the efficacy of the tactic. On the other hand, i really believe that canvassing works better when people are enthusiastic, and holy shit are people enthusiastic right now, so maybe it could make a difference.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 7:13 PM on February 6


I mean, he's upset that Spicer was portrayed by a woman, but the fact that Steve Bannon was portrayed by the GRIM REAPER is A-OK?

That's not telling. That's not telling at all.
posted by mudpuppie at 7:14 PM on February 6 [51 favorites]


It's fucking 77 degrees here in February. They can say "climate change is a hoax" all they want, my rosebushes putting out leaves and me wearing SHORTS IN FEBRUARY are plenty of proof.
posted by emjaybee at 7:16 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


'A day without a woman' -- Women's March organizers plan general strike

Any Mefite's know anything about this?
posted by futz at 7:21 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


we *did* knock every door this year, and it didn't seem to help that much, so I'm a little unconvinced about the efficacy of the tactic.

Where did you knock every door? How many extra votes did you need?

According to Get Out The Vote, in contact-for-contact terms, in-person contact is the most effective voter activation method, by a couple of orders of magnitude. I don't totally trust their research methods (and there could be later work which invalidates their claims... it's the only book on the topic I've read so far), but I'm surprised that that didn't work out for you.
posted by Coventry at 7:22 PM on February 6


@UrsulaV on Twitter points out that Kathy Bates would be good as Trump.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:22 PM on February 6 [6 favorites]


They can say "climate change is a hoax" all they want, my rosebushes putting out leaves [...] IN FEBRUARY are plenty of proof.

WRONG! All that proves is that George Soros is paying your rose bushes to start growing early.
posted by shponglespore at 7:27 PM on February 6 [34 favorites]


My initial instinct was Kirstie Alley but she might just still respect him
posted by Mchelly at 7:27 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


I mean, he's upset that Spicer was portrayed by a woman, but the fact that Steve Bannon was portrayed by the GRIM REAPER is A-OK?

Well, both he and Trump want to see the collapse of the state and mass riots, so this checks out.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 7:29 PM on February 6


Rosie's ready.
posted by adamg at 7:29 PM on February 6 [39 favorites]


with Ivanka being played by a guy

this is I think the third comment like this and nothing personal to yours, it's just the most recent. but this is not having the effect I imagine it's supposed to and it is really unpleasant. Whatever elaborate reading you (the several people who have said it) are imagining imposing on it, it won't come across.

I (think I) understand the point is supposed to be that as long as the target finds it offensive, anything is justified and it doesn't mean anything about what the actors think. but Ivanka of all women is immune to slights on her appearance or "gender performance." she's not her dad to get engorged with rage if we mention her tiny hands, and his perpetual rage over that is the only thing that makes it so funny.

gender-blind casting is a thing I always like, and a cast as limited as SNL's always is shouldn't be bound by any worries about physical resemblance when they do their impressions. but let's not be terrible, just the same. as an incidental thing it's just fine; by design for some unstated yet presumed-obvious purpose, it is not.
posted by queenofbithynia at 7:30 PM on February 6 [23 favorites]


I think we need different tactics for satirizing and mocking trump.

Like, never forget that he went on national television to the be the subject of a roast. There were rules, including what was and was not allowed. This is a man who has spent a lot of time in the spotlight, figuring out how warm he likes to be. So like, his ego is easily pierced but you have to know where to stick the needle. The really nice thing is that every time he gets pricked he jumps. Nothing seems to have really noticeably bothered him about Bannon yet, so let's keep changing it up until he yelps and starts blabbing on twitter.

Honestly, he seems like the perfect test case for this. Like, it's clear that he hates Alec Baldwin's portrayal of him and we get to seem him have his mini meltdowns about it, so it's win win. If having his entire staff played by women bothers him and the white house so much, I think that's the perfect excuse to have SNL hire a whole bunch more women. (which, hey, another win win for us).
posted by Neronomius at 7:32 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


The link jokeefe posted above is really worth your time. The piece is by Ron Rosenbaum (who wrote the book Explaining Hitler), who for months refused to write about Trump, but finally decided to now.
What I want to suggest is an actual comparison with Hitler that deserves thought. It’s what you might call the secret technique, a kind of rhetorical control that both Hitler and Trump used on their opponents, especially the media. And they’re not joking. If you’d received the threatening words and pictures I did during the campaign (one Tweet simply read “I gas Jews”), as did so many Jewish reporters and people of color, the sick bloodthirsty lust to terrify is unmistakably sincere. The playbook is Mein Kampf.
posted by AceRock at 7:39 PM on February 6 [11 favorites]


Administrations tend to run through press secretaries to begin with

Apologies for taking this out of context, but I had to look it up, and you're right, that's generally true, especially lately - Obama had three, Dubya went through four, and Clinton five-ish, since Stephanopoulos and Myers shared some duties for the first few months. A couple of long-lifers in there - Ike had only one for his eight years on office, and Stephen Early served for served for all but the last couple of weeks of FDR's twelve-year administration. And how many did Nixon burn though? Incredibly, just the one - Ron "Third Rate Burglary" Ziegler.
posted by hangashore at 7:39 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


Maybe the job got a lot tougher after Nixon.
posted by Coventry at 7:46 PM on February 6 [6 favorites]


Trump Administration May Use Executive Authority To Tweak Obamacare’s Rules. Changes under consideration reportedly include:
1. Insurers would have more leeway to vary prices by age, so that premiums for the oldest customers could be 3.49 times as large as those for younger customers. Today, premiums for the old can be only three times as high as premiums for the young, which is what the Affordable Care Act stipulates. According to sources privy to HHS discussions with insurers, officials would argue that since 3.49 “rounds down” to three, the change would still comply with the statute.

2. People who want to apply for coverage mid-year, outside of open enrollment, would have to provide documentation of a qualifying life change ― such as a divorce or lost job ― before coverage begins. Presently, insurance kicks in for such people right away, as soon as they apply for it, subject to verification afterward.

3. Insurers could cut off coverage for people who are more than 30 days late on premiums. Presently, lower- and middle-income consumers who qualify for the law’s tax credits get a 90-day grace period.
These are not as horrible as one might fear, but what the actual hell is with the 3.49 argument? The law explicitly limits the ratio at which premiums can increase by age to 3. Is this the "there are four lights" of Obamacare?
posted by zachlipton at 7:46 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


These are not as horrible as one might fear

Right, if these were the only tweaks they made to declare victory and go home I'd call it a win. But it won't be, this is just the first salvo.
posted by Justinian at 7:51 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


It's the camel's nose inside the tent. I see no reason to go along or shrug at any of these changes, they all make it harder to access health care for no good reason.
posted by emjaybee at 7:56 PM on February 6 [17 favorites]




This the newest press release from science.house.gov, the House Committee on Science, Space & Technology. My heavens, is it infuriating to see Breitbart-style climate-denial garbage produced as the official word of the US government.

What they don't mention is that their evidence for disputing the Karl study was an article in that most prestigious of science journals (particularly noted for their in-depth research on what does and doesn't cause cancer): The Daily Mail.


What nobody seems to be saying so I will say:

The Karl study is not a computationally demanding work.

The input data will easily fit on a laptop, and a Macbook Pro could re-run the damn thing in minutes.

If Karl et al did anything wrong, TAKE THEIR FUCKING EQUATIONS, SHOW WHAT'S WRONG, RERUN THE STUDY, and show what comes out different.
posted by ocschwar at 7:57 PM on February 6 [21 favorites]


It wouldn't surprise me if Trump simply gets rid of the press secretary position entirely, relying on tweets and press releases or talking heads sent to Fox News, Breitbart, Infowars, etc.
posted by dirigibleman at 8:00 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


More concerning, the Politico story on ACA changes says they're contemplating cutting the open enrollment period in half, ending it on December 15 instead of the end of January, which would surely be an act of sabotage resulting in fewer people signing up for insurance, allowing the administration to argue it's all a failure and needs to be replaced.

Increasing the age ratio to 3.49 would also be a way for Trump to make a big deal out of premiums going up, despite his rule being the cause of the increase.
posted by zachlipton at 8:00 PM on February 6 [9 favorites]


Maybe the job got a lot tougher after Nixon.

This is probably true. Remember, the 24/hr news cycle is barely 30 years old, and it's really only been present in what we'd recognize as the modern form since maybe 2000. The Clinton scandals really defined the modern news cycle, before that there was less churn certainly, less sources, less access, less interest. And a much more traditional role for the press secretary, they really were more of a liaison from the establishment press to the White House, not today's shameless Voice of Trump (or Voice of Bush prior, I don't think there's a credible argument Obama's were anything comparable).

Really it's a totally different job now, even if you're not doing it as a spray tanned sock puppet with a hideous tie.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:05 PM on February 6


Canceling insurance if your payment is 30 days late is insane. That can't stand. I've been 30 days late with a bill *a lot* when money was really tight. That's going to cost so many people their coverage.
posted by ArbitraryAndCapricious at 8:05 PM on February 6 [31 favorites]


The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donell tonight, alterna-hosted by Ari Melber, showed some footage from Judge Robart's court during the arguments over the Muslim ban, which was interesting.
posted by XMLicious at 8:05 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Maybe a Being John Malkovich spoof where DJT, played by Baldwin, discovers a small door in the WH and disappears up his own ass to a place where all his clones are played by women listed in this thread.

"Hey Trump, Think Fast!" -Biden drive by cameo
posted by mannequito at 8:07 PM on February 6 [8 favorites]


'A day without a woman' -- Women's March organizers plan general strike

Any Mefite's know anything about this?


Is no one answering this because I am an idiot and should have already heard of this or...?
posted by futz at 8:07 PM on February 6


Democrats right now on the Senate floor planning to hold up the DeVos vote all night. She's expected to be confirmed whenever they step down. Nothing from Toomey, McCain, or any of the other alleged NeverTrumpers, entirely as predicted.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:09 PM on February 6 [20 favorites]


These are not as horrible as one might fear, but what the actual hell is with the 3.49 argument? The law explicitly limits the ratio at which premiums can increase by age to 3.

"Propaganda is the freedom to say that 3.49 minus 0.0 makes 3.0. If that is granted, all else follows."

Are you sure that there aren't three fingers being held up?
posted by jaduncan at 8:11 PM on February 6


'A day without a woman' -- Women's March organizers plan general strike ... Any Mefite's know anything about this?

That one only really started being talked about publicly today.

I've seen mentions of and stickers for the Feb. 17th one mentioned in that article already.
posted by Candleman at 8:13 PM on February 6


The 17th has been floated as a day for a general strike, but the Women's March hasn't committed to a date. Personally, I think the general strike needs someone or some organization to start doing the organizational heavy lifting and social media blitz for it to gain traction.
posted by yasaman at 8:15 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


2. People who want to apply for coverage mid-year, outside of open enrollment, would have to provide documentation of a qualifying life change ― such as a divorce or lost job ― before coverage begins. Presently, insurance kicks in for such people right away, as soon as they apply for it, subject to verification afterward.


If you think this is innocuous you have no experience with insurance companies.
posted by srboisvert at 8:16 PM on February 6 [30 favorites]


[One deleted; let's leave off the "gender-swapped casting bothers Trump" strategizing; the core point's been made, and circling around that for the n'th time gets into territory that can be a problem for members here.]
posted by LobsterMitten at 8:18 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


'A day without a woman' -- Women's March organizers plan general strike ... Any Mefite's know anything about this?

No, but, there is this call for an international Women's Strike on March 8th from Angela Davis (and others).
posted by AceRock at 8:20 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


If you think this is innocuous you have no experience with insurance companies.

Those changes serve no purpose other than to deny people coverage, or depress enrollment. It's death by 1000 cuts, if they can't repeal it, they're going to make sure to cripple implementation and guarantee a death spiral for the exchanges.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:21 PM on February 6 [14 favorites]


Is no one answering this because I am an idiot and should have already heard of this or...?

Pretty sure it's because we're all trying to figure out what is up. Personally, well, I have relatively few consequences for striking for a day, but both my spouse and my roomie are hourly workers and the roomie isn't much above minimum wage. I think we can probably eat a day's wages if necessary, but if employers take offense--as my spouse's boss' boss would be likely to--we cannot survive right now on just my income with the level of debt we have in the house. Certainly not without roomie's part of the budget, too.

I have not seen any discussion about, say, strike funds. I have not seen any discussion about funding to help people pay for the possibility of lost jobs or lost wages. As far as I can tell, the strike buzz has kind of elided these realities for people whose paychecks depend on showing up to work on set days and especially for people in right-to-work states whose bosses can and will fire them at will.

The framing makes me think that the March organizers are thinking about women striking on domestic labor along the lines of the Iceland strike, which.... is a bit of a different kettle of fish than saying "ALL OF US SKIP PAID WORK FOR A DAY." I am waiting for more information before I make a decision, but I don't know that declaring it on the 17th will have much traction for this reason.
posted by sciatrix at 8:22 PM on February 6 [21 favorites]


Trump Administration May Use Executive Authority To Tweak Obamacare’s Rules. Changes under consideration reportedly include:

No. 2 is already happening to some extent. Insurance companies have been pushing hard on HHS to tighten what they see as system-gaming by people who are trying to get coverage outside of open enrollment (who naturally are going to be more likely to need to use medical services, since they're trying to get insurance mid-year).

There's a question now about being naturalized which sometimes prompts the applicant to then upload proof of citizenship (i.e. passport or certificate of naturalization). The person I was working with didn't actually have either, though he thought he could dig up his naturalization certificate, and he had 90 days to do so (or lose tax credits).

That's crappy enough but this is a bit different as it seems to require documentation prospectively (before coverage can become active) -- which doesn't really make a ton of sense from a waste/fraud/abuse prevention framework, which is of course how this bs always gets presented. (I ranted at length on this at some point in the primaries, but hahaha I'm not going back in those godforsaken threads to find it.) Plus, you know, some of the special enrollment periods don't necessarily lend themselves to documentation. Marriage or a move to a different area -- sure (though even that can be problematic), but what about a domestic violence issue (another allowed reason for enrolling outside of open enrollment)?

No. 1 there also wouldn't drastically affect most people who are eligible for tax subsidies (in most cases, someone whose income is between 100-400% of the poverty line), since they're calculated on what works roughly out to a sliding-scale income basis. If, say, you're an older couple making about 65K, you'd get hit hard, though -- that tax credit that you just narrowly didn't qualify because of that cliff at 400%FPL could easily work out to $1000/mo, particularly if one or both of the enrollees are smokers. Now, if, if if if this got more younger persons with moderately low (say, $25-35K) incomes to sign up, this... how do I say it... might actually not be a bad thing. But -- having premiums go up actually increases the cost to the government, so there's not really a cost savings and could well be a net loss to taxpayers. Makes it easier for insurance companies to make money, though.

No. 3 is, once again, just making it more difficult for the working poor to maintain coverage. That's all it does.

All that being said, I echo what others commented above -- don't participate, don't give an inch, make the Republicans own this at 100%.
posted by tivalasvegas at 8:23 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


Canceling insurance if your payment is 30 days late is insane. That can't stand. I've been 30 days late with a bill *a lot* when money was really tight. That's going to cost so many people their coverage.

Yeah this one could hurt a lot of people. Go more than 30 days overdue because you lost your job or prioritized fixing the car that you would lose your job if you didn't have, and you and your family are now uninsured. And you probably can't get insurance again until open enrollment time, so if this happens in, say April, you're uninsured for most of the year. Congratulations! Now you get to pay a significant fine for being uninsured. It's deliberately setting people up to fail and then harshly penalizing them for it.

To be clear, when I said "these are not as horrible as one might fear," I wasn't saying these things are ok, but simply by the standards of the travel ban and the other craziness that's happened in the past two weeks, these things are more in the family of "cuts that will gradually make stuff worse and will cause real harm for people" rather than "omg the fire it burns."
posted by zachlipton at 8:27 PM on February 6 [10 favorites]


About 20 Rabbis Arrested During Protest Over Trump Travel Ban
“We remember our history, and we remember that the borders of this country closed to us in 1924 with very catastrophic consequences during the Holocaust,” Rabbi Jacobs said. “We know that some of the language that’s being used now to stop Muslims from coming in is the same language that was used to stop Jewish refugees from coming.”
posted by zachlipton at 8:30 PM on February 6 [72 favorites]


Trump cites Sydney siege in list of attacks 'not being reported'.

The White House lists 78 incidents to back up Donald Trump’s claim that terrorist attacks are being underreported.

The list was produced by the White House on Tuesday to back up claims by the president Donald Trump and White House spokesman, Sean Spicer, that the world’s media was deliberately covering up or underreporting terrorism.

Here's the 329 comment thread on the blue about the siege, including links to the BBC, ABC and Al Jazeera as the first three in the FPP.
posted by UbuRoivas at 8:32 PM on February 6 [10 favorites]


Rosa Brooks: And Then the Breitbart Lynch Mob Came for Me: "For 15 years, I’ve spoken out against executive overreach. But in the Trump era, even theoretical criticism puts a target on your back."
posted by zachlipton at 8:37 PM on February 6 [8 favorites]


And here are some front pages across the globe covering the siege.

I suppose it's "underreported" in Trump's view if the likes of these papers put it on their front pages:
- Washington Post
- The Guardian
- Wall St Journal
- Daily Telegraph (UK)
- New York Times
- The Times
- USA Today
- Financial Post
- Globe & Mail
- The Independent
- Daily Express
posted by UbuRoivas at 8:38 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


> Insurers would have more leeway to vary prices by age, so that premiums for the oldest customers could be 3.49 times as large as those for younger customers. Today, premiums for the old can be only 3 times as high as premiums for the young ... 3.49 “rounds down” to three.

And how does the AARP feel about insurance prices for some of its membership going up drastically? Do they agree that 3.49 rounds down to 3, so all is good?

Come on AARP, what say you?
posted by RedOrGreen at 8:38 PM on February 6 [8 favorites]


Here's the 329 comment thread on the blue about the siege, including links to the BBC, ABC and Al Jazeera as the first three in the FPP.

Ha! I was locked down in my office, a block away from the Lindt Cafe that was under siege. I was commenting like crazy in that thread because I has nothing else to do and couldn't get my staff to do any work because they were so freaked out (even though we weren't at the slightest risk).

That one was front page news for weeks and continued to be discussed in the media for months. No, years - the inquest only finished up last year.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 8:38 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


"He has reportedly expressed a preference that the younger generation of royals, such as Prince Charles’ sons William and Harry, meet him instead."

I cannot get past the tremendous loser-ness of an old man who wants to hang with the Cool Kids.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 8:46 PM on February 6 [49 favorites]


"He has reportedly expressed a preference that the younger generation of royals, such as Prince Charles’ sons William and Harry, meet him instead."

I cannot get past the tremendous loser-ness of an old man who wants to hang with the Cool Kids.


Oh, he's been way more pathetic about that family in the past.
posted by Sys Rq at 8:53 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


I cannot get past the tremendous loser-ness of an old man who wants to hang with the Cool Kids.

I feel for William and Harry; given how often Diana was in NYC they have to know that Trump will have evaluated their dead mother on a one to ten scale on several occasions.
posted by jaduncan at 8:53 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


He was lewd about Kate as well. I don't see how William can agree meet with him at all, and am frankly surprised the Queen will. I know she's met with dictators, but he's offended the family personally.
posted by Mchelly at 8:58 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


Mr. Bannon remains the president’s dominant adviser, despite Mr. Trump’s anger that he was not fully briefed on details of the executive order he signed giving his chief strategist a seat on the National Security Council

didn't even read it, hosed the NSC, and now a whiny brat about it.

It checks out.
posted by petebest at 8:59 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


Those changes serve no purpose other than to deny people coverage, or depress enrollment. It's death by 1000 cuts, if they can't repeal it, they're going to make sure to cripple implementation and guarantee a death spiral for the exchanges.

Midterm advert prediction: "Have you been unfairly turned away or confused by Obamacare rules? X is running for congress to let you have the plans you used to have, with the insurer you want. Don't let the Democrats continue to resist us removing the red tape and regulation that prevents you getting care."
posted by jaduncan at 9:01 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


jaduncan: It's even creepier than that, especially if you believe Selina Scott, and there's no reason to disbelieve her.

William has made children's mental health a big charitable focus in the past few years, especially for children who lost parents at the age he lost his mother. The subtext of that work is clear enough.
posted by holgate at 9:01 PM on February 6 [19 favorites]


Midterm advert prediction

Yep. Along these same lines is why they were explicitly contemplating delaying the effects of repeal until after 2018, or even after 2020.
posted by T.D. Strange at 9:02 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


“Why do people think it’s egotistical of you to say you could’ve gotten with Lady Di?” Stern asked Trump in the interview. “You could’ve gotten her, right? You could’ve nailed her.”

Trump replied: “I think I could have.”


JFC. That interview was from 3 years after her death.
posted by jaduncan at 9:04 PM on February 6 [12 favorites]


So one of the highlights of my day was seeing the photos of the costumes from the Red Cross Ball, linked here. And then posting them to my FB where all my costuming friends could relentlessly mock them. (Because they are a HOT MESS.)

In the course of that I went looking trying to find more pics. And discovered you can tell a lot about what kind of person goes to a ball at Trump's House by their Instagram feed. Like...are they the kind of person who takes pictures OF THE TV so they can pretend they saw Trump in person? Apparently, yes. Are they the kind of person who takes multiple photos of every hot girl in a short skirt or bikini they see on the sidewalk? Also yes.
posted by threeturtles at 9:06 PM on February 6 [7 favorites]


Midterm counter-advert: "Sadface Paul Ryan and Congresscritter X promised to do healthcare better. Feeling better?" Most voters don't care about procedural whatnot. They look at who's in charge.
posted by holgate at 9:07 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]


Rosie as Bannon. Please please please please…
posted by mazola at 9:10 PM on February 6 [15 favorites]


This really nails down something I've been thinking a lot about lately. Ordinary Americans carried out inhumane acts for Trump
Aweek ago, men and women went to work at airports around the United States as they always do. They showered, got dressed, ate breakfast, perhaps dropped off their kids at school. Then they reported to their jobs as federal government employees, where, according to news reports, one of them handcuffed a 5-year-old child, separated him from his mother and detained him alone for several hours at Dulles airport.

At least one other federal employee at Dulles reportedly detained a woman who was traveling with her two children, both U.S. citizens, for 20 hours without food. A relative says the mother was handcuffed (even when she went to the bathroom) and threatened with deportation to Somalia.
...
When we worry and wonder about authoritarian regimes that inflict cruelty on civilians, we often imagine tyrannical despots unilaterally advancing their sinister agendas. But no would-be autocrat can act alone. As a practical matter, he needs subordinates willing to carry out orders. Of course, neither Donald Trump nor Steve Bannon personally detained any of the more than 100 people held at airports over the weekend pursuant to the administration's executive order on immigration, visitation and travel to the United States. They relied on assistance.
posted by zachlipton at 9:13 PM on February 6 [133 favorites]


Buzzfeed gets credit for digging up the Stern audio, and it's simultaneously awful and a reminder that whatever fluency in speaking the WH occupant once possessed, it has gone gone gone.
posted by holgate at 9:13 PM on February 6 [8 favorites]


This really nails down something I've been thinking a lot about lately. Ordinary Americans carried out inhumane acts for Trump

"Certainement qui est en droit de vous rendre absurde est en droit de vous rendre injuste."

And it doesn't get much more absurd than Trump..
posted by Buntix at 9:19 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


Insurers could cut off coverage for people who are more than 30 days late on premiums. Presently, lower- and middle-income consumers who qualify for the law’s tax credits get a 90-day grace period.

And fyi, if they do cancel your coverage for non-payment after 30 days (or 90) they can go back and unpay for anything they covered since your last payment and send the debt collectors after you.

Ask me how I know. (I wasn't getting bills with one company and it was confusing and...there was no payment reminder until suddenly...yeah.)
posted by threeturtles at 9:24 PM on February 6 [17 favorites]


I'm still reading way back in this thread so apologies this will be out of sorts with the current conversation, because I am so behind y'all. I wanted to comment that Sunday I went to a protest before the Super Bowl in Houston, TX. It was small, maybe 1000 people at it's largest. But the speeches were excellent from multiple different groups in our diverse city. A congressman, another man running for congress, Black Live Matter, Democratic Socialists, NOW, NARAL, an Islamic families group, a Christian preacher, a dreamer all gave passionate engaging speeches. As we all marched to the stadium we went through the Texas Medical Center and 1000 people spread out on a sidewalk gets pretty long (it was not a permitted march so we couldn't use the street). There were families with their children in tow, talking about how they've never done this before. There were elderly in wheelchairs making the two mile march also. The police decided to hold traffic for us to pass intersections even though it was not a permit march. I saw an older woman thank one of the officers for his work today and this week (being that it had been nutty with the Super Bowl in town and all) and he thanked her back, he thanked her "for being here."

But the thing that sticks with me the most from that march was passing a car stuck at an intersection we were blocking as we marched through it. Three women wearing hijabs in this one car were honking constantly. Two were out of the car, cheering us, jumping up and down, recording us on their phones excitedly. I smiled at the woman inside the car and she covering her mouth with both hands crying uncontrollably. The look in her eyes was just piercingly emotional.

Everything is so confusing and constant. The Texas legislature is also pushing tons of scary bills locally while we deal with this barrage of crazy coming out of the White House at the same time. But those speeches I listened to, seeing those women cheer for us, talking to others in my community, I am so energized for this fight. Thanks everyone for helping me stay sane. Please keep going.
posted by dog food sugar at 9:25 PM on February 6 [96 favorites]


CBS opens news broadcast with president "divorced from reality."
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 9:32 PM on February 6 [31 favorites]


I'm curious about #KnockEveryDoor. I have a fair amount of experience doing canvass organizing and training, and I could help out with #KnockEveryDoor. On the other hand, we *did* knock every door this year, and it didn't seem to help that much...

I briefly worked with Becky Bond, one of the cofounders of #KnockEveryDoor, many years back and went to hear her speak a couple of weeks ago. She played a major role Bernie's campaign and cowrote a book about lessons from that campaign. One of the things she said is that Trump's victory wasn't just a victory for Trump, it was also clear evidence that neoliberalism and Clintonism are not winning strategies for progressives. Maybe that's obvious to folks on the blue but I agree strongly.

#KnockEveryDoor is an independent organisation that is trying to discover, by knocking on doors, how progressives can get votes in the midterms and beyond. The group needs more than folks to knock on doors. It plans to build a big-data operation. I've registered to volunteer for non-door-knocking duty. Will report back on how it goes.
posted by Bella Donna at 9:34 PM on February 6 [14 favorites]


To be divorced from reality you need to have had some relationship with reality in the first place.
posted by bigbigdog at 9:34 PM on February 6 [6 favorites]


Oh, and for the record I've gotten ACA coverage twice mid-year after job losses and neither time did I ever have to prove the job loss, then or later. I guess if my income tax had shown a conflict maybe I would have had to pay back some subsidies? So, I dunno, one the one hand there's the impulse that maybe you should need to provide some kind of documentation, on the other hand there are lots of forms of employment where you'd be extremely unlikely to get any kind of termination paperwork, so how would someone prove that?

Course they also don't ask for proof of income. You can either use your previous year's tax return info or just enter an amount. Again, there's a certain amount of potential after-the-fact checking with income tax.

As someone who has calculated income for benefit eligibility, dear GOD, that's the last thing the system needs. Imagine employing one government worker for every 100-300 enrollees or so just to verify income and keep up with changes. I worked for a very strict program which meant that every time someone lost a job or changed jobs or got a job I had to do the paperwork over. I literally had clients I was recalculating every two weeks. *shudder*
posted by threeturtles at 9:40 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


CBS opens news broadcast with president "divorced from reality."

If you read closely they said the *statements* were divorced from reality, because for some reason the statements have agency now. So in addition to everything else, we have utterances controlling our President. Sad!
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 9:47 PM on February 6 [2 favorites]






I really don't encourage trolling Sean Spicer via his public Venmo account, but I can't say I'm not amused.
posted by zachlipton at 9:55 PM on February 6 [9 favorites]


Daniel Polonka ‏@Polonkadonk 11m11 minutes ago

@emmaterrestrial @PFTompkins should we request our protest payments?
posted by sebastienbailard at 10:02 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


Watching the livestream on the Senate floor. The Dems have been making reasonable and impassioned speeches.

Sen. Tim Scott - (R-S.C.) is now on. I can't believe that he believes what he's saying, but he seems to. I'm absolutely shocked that he can actually stand there and say that an insulated billionaire would be the best choice to lead the Dept. of Education.

But, he's concerned about the quality of education. Not that he's given any decent alternatives... except Success Academy. Success Academy is magic and wonderful and all about choice. (previously)

And Pell grants are somehow about school choice in relation to public schools.
posted by monopas at 10:11 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


Don't try to reason logically, that's how you hurt yourself.

They're only voting for her because she was nominated by a Republican. If Obama had nominated someone so fucking manifestly stupid and who transparently bought her position, they would've squealed.

Whatever words are sputtering out are only rank partisanship. Get use to it, they have no other principals whatsoever.

#nevertrumpforever.
posted by T.D. Strange at 10:16 PM on February 6 [10 favorites]


I know. I just don't listen to the R very often.

Not enough blood pressure medication in the world for that.
posted by monopas at 10:18 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


I don't know what SNL going at them harder would look like but that's why they're bigshot comedy writers and I'm not.

Senator Al Franken is a writer-alum, btw... I wonder what the emails between Al and Lorne look like.
posted by mikelieman at 10:23 PM on February 6 [4 favorites]


Another one to scratch from the terror list:

Donald Trump falsely used killing of Brit backpackers as example of 'terror attack' in blast of media reporting
In the months following the killing, the mother of Miss Aylifee-Chung called for the tragedy not to be misinterpreted.

Rosie Ayliffe writing in The Independent, said: "Much nonsense is being spoken in the press about her alleged killer.

"The TV engineer who visited yesterday said, 'Well we know what that was about, it was that Moslemic terrorism!' Thanks for clarifying."

"Smail Ayad – the French man being held on suspicion of my daughter’s murder – is not an Islamic fundamentalist, he has never set foot in a mosque."

Her family said Mia's funeral included elements of Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism and a reading from the Koran to counter the "misinterperation" of her murder as an act of terrorism.
The full list of 78 doesn't include the Quebec mosque attack, but then I guess it was only 'underreported' by the white house, not the media.
posted by Buntix at 10:24 PM on February 6 [13 favorites]


I wonder what the emails between Al and Lorne look like.

Actually, all I have to do is tune in to see the jokes they're swapping.
posted by mikelieman at 10:24 PM on February 6


Miller can't take Spicer's job because his links to Richard Spencer would shoot into the spotlight in a way that even the most feckless of media (ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, NYT, WP, ETC ETC ETC ETC) couldn't deny.
posted by Yowser at 10:24 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


They're only voting for her because she was nominated by a Republican


That and the $200,000,000+ campaign contributions from her family.

My own senator, Ron Johnson (R-WI) only got $48,000, which is a tiny bit more than a schoolteacher's annual salary.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/5rrpim/campaign_contributions_to_senators_by_the_devos/
posted by sebastienbailard at 10:25 PM on February 6 [21 favorites]


oh who am I kidding, the media hasn't even bothered to report on the fact that Bannon ran a website that uses the phrase "useless eater" multiple times. They don't care that there are literal Nazis up in the hizouse.
posted by Yowser at 10:30 PM on February 6 [8 favorites]


That and the $200,000,000+ campaign contributions from her family.

LITERALLY buying her office.
posted by mikelieman at 10:32 PM on February 6 [11 favorites]


My own senator, Ron Johnson (R-WI) only got $48,000, which is a tiny bit more than a schoolteacher's annual salary.

I'm continually amazed at just how little a Republican Senator costs. If I cashed out my retirement accounts I could almost afford one.
posted by T.D. Strange at 10:42 PM on February 6 [22 favorites]


I'm really just waiting for someone to give Trump a presentation about the truth about UFOs. I figure we'll get a tweet about 90 seconds after they turn the lights back on.
posted by bigbigdog at 10:48 PM on February 6 [3 favorites]


FOX just got called into the bosses office over Bill Orielly's Putin comments. Get used to the new reality, Bill. You answer to Putin now.
posted by T.D. Strange at 10:51 PM on February 6 [17 favorites]


The choice is clear: Sean Spicer's successor will have to be Meredith McIver.
posted by palmcorder_yajna at 10:55 PM on February 6 [1 favorite]


Somebody tell Trumpy he could get payback at SNL by hiring Jon Lovitz to do press briefings as his Tommy Flanagan character.
posted by oneswellfoop at 11:08 PM on February 6 [5 favorites]


Like, it's clear that he hates Alec Baldwin's portrayal of him and we get to seem him have his mini meltdowns about it, so it's win win

I'm 95% certain part of why Baldwin gets under his skin so much is the Glengarry Glen Ross speech. It sums up everything Trumpy and alpha male, but delivered with a style, panache and effortless charisma I suspect Trump wants more than anything but knows is unattainable.
posted by Jon Mitchell at 11:09 PM on February 6 [20 favorites]


is a purple nurple the same as a titty twister?

It's a matter of degree
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:58 PM


I couldn't go to sleep without backtracking to 'bookmark' this quip. It has been making me chuckle since RW,LD posted it.
posted by futz at 11:34 PM on February 6


FOX just got called into the bosses office over Bill Orielly's Putin comments. Get used to the new reality, Bill. You answer to Putin now.
In January last year, after a British judge ruled that Putin had "probably" authorized the murder of former KGB agent Alexander Litvinenko in London, Trump said he saw no evidence the Russian president was guilty.
FFS. Because you don't need a breeder reactor or something, you can just buy polonium on ebay.
Detectives traced three distinct polonium trails in and out of London, at three different dates, which according to the investigation suggests Andrey Lugovoy and Dmitry Kovtun took two failed attempts to administer polonium to Litvinenko before the final and successful one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko#Polonium_trails

posted by sebastienbailard at 11:36 PM on February 6 [15 favorites]


2013 tweet. [real]

Donald J. Trump Verified account
‏@realDonaldTrump

Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow - if so, will he become my new best friend?

8:17 PM - 18 Jun 2013
posted by sebastienbailard at 12:14 AM on February 7 [11 favorites]


When we worry and wonder about authoritarian regimes that inflict cruelty on civilians, we often imagine tyrannical despots unilaterally advancing their sinister agendas. But no would-be autocrat can act alone.
There are hardly any excesses of the most crazed psychopath that cannot easily be duplicated by a normal kindly family man who just comes in to work every day and has a job to do.

Terry Pratchett, Small Gods
posted by Grangousier at 1:05 AM on February 7 [51 favorites]


In my circles, I'm finding it's important to ask people, "Have you called your Senator yet? What about like-minded people you know in other states, especially Republican-controlled states -- have you asked them if they've called their Senators yet? There are too many Democratic and Republican Senators who will not vote to protect the Constitution / rule of law / American values, unless they get flooded with calls from their constituents telling them to."

The most common answer I'm getting is, "Called my Senator? Not yet. Of course, I've shared posts that say you should call, with phone numbers, and my friends have shared them too. My people in other states? That's a good question. I haven't asked." Also, "People say it's too late!"

A lot of them are in shock, or denial, or too depressed and disoriented to do anything without linear instructions, firm prodding to follow those instructions, and a pep talk about how authoritarians want us to do nothing, and I know you don't want your kids/grandkids to live in fear of their government, right? I'm re-reading The Unthinkable: Who Survives When Disaster Strikes - and Why, and I feel like that psychological phenomenon about how most people in a disaster need clear direction, like "Call 911!" applies: "Have you called your Senator yet? Have your friends in other states called theirs?" = "Call 911!"

Maybe my circles are atypical and the inertia is just real strong in them. (Obviously, I leave them alone if they're getting fed up with me talking about it.)
posted by cybercoitus interruptus at 1:33 AM on February 7 [28 favorites]


For me, doing a daily fax about one issue to one Senator or Rep is a mental health saving device. I'm now stalking my Senators and Rep on twitter. My Rep (Brendan Boyle) had a paltry number of followers, so tweets to his account actually may make some sort of impact. Tomboy and Casey are overwhelmed with calls/faxes, so I've been fax-bombing all of their offices. At least a couple get through.
posted by angrycat at 1:41 AM on February 7 [7 favorites]


In my circles, I'm finding it's important to ask people, "Have you called your Senator yet? What about like-minded people you know in other states, especially Republican-controlled states -- have you asked them if they've called their Senators yet? There are too many Democratic and Republican Senators who will not vote to protect the Constitution / rule of law / American values, unless they get flooded with calls from their constituents telling them to."

Thanks for the prompt. I called a few more of the Senators on the Senate Committee on Homeland Security, regarding Bannon on the NSC.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/2/3/1629729/-Senate-Committee-now-taking-calls-on-Bannon-s-appointment-to-Security-Council-Here-s-contact-info

I find writing my own quick script for myself really helps with the mild phone anxiety - I don't need to think once I make the call, I just have to read out loud.
posted by sebastienbailard at 2:17 AM on February 7 [5 favorites]




Donaeld the Unready

"Canute. What a loser. Can't even hold back the sea. It's just water. We're going to be so tough on the sea. Canute was too soft. Sad."
posted by vbfg at 2:48 AM on February 7 [15 favorites]


A lot of them are in shock, or denial, or too depressed and disoriented to do anything without linear instructions, firm prodding to follow those instructions, and a pep talk about how authoritarians want us to do nothing, and I know you don't want your kids/grandkids to live in fear of their government, right?

One thing I'm trying to do is talk about it when I do things. I think the social pressure of "other people are doing the thing" is significant. Rather than sharing "call these numbers" posts, because there are lots of those, I'm talking in public posts about "I called my rep and blah." Or "here is a photo of the postcards I'm mailing today." "Started a fight on my rep's FB page." A lot of people don't respond well to direct orders, but do to modeling. Or that's my hope.

In the bystander effect, when one person stops to help, a lot of other people suddenly will also stop and offer assistance.
posted by threeturtles at 3:46 AM on February 7 [37 favorites]


For me, doing a daily fax about one issue to one Senator or Rep is a mental health saving device.

Yes, I send off three faxes every time I get really pissed off. And I also bought a box of 100 postcards from Amazon and fill out postcards throughout the week to mail off at least once a week. I am having problems with my phone reception, and my Senators are basically impossible to get anyway, so that's what I'm doing now.

This reminds me I intended to contact my state people today.
posted by threeturtles at 3:49 AM on February 7 [8 favorites]


I find it extremely interesting that in that list of 78 terrorist attacks the White House says were largely underreported, Israel never appears.

I can only interpret this to mean that the [Popular Vote Loser] Trump WH does not consider attacks in Israel (eg, those of 2015-16) to be underreported. I suppose I should not be surprised (given that Bannon probably compiled the list), but I do not like one bit what that implies.
posted by Westringia F. at 4:07 AM on February 7 [15 favorites]


I find it extremely interesting that in that list of 78 terrorist attacks the White House says were largely underreported, Israel never appears.

This hasn't gone unnoticed. Suspect he's rapidly burning through the common support he had there.

Then, Trump's original statement was specifically about Europe, so there's been a massive move of the goalposts. Only 28 of the 58 listed are actually relevant information in support of his actual statement, the rest are dread herrings. Pretty sure those 28 whittle away to nothing as well (if you exclude any that have been reported, or have no relevance to his argument - e.g. the IRA attack). As reports go it would be an F in high school, never mind the F'in highest level of the most powerful government.
posted by Buntix at 4:24 AM on February 7 [8 favorites]


@realLordDampnut
I don't know Putin, have no deals in Russia, and the haters are going crazy - yet Obama can make a deal with Iran, #1 in terror, no problem!


"The haters" are the majority of the country and vast majority of the world. Humanity's what, 75% haters right now? Also while I presume he means Iran when he says "#1 in terror, no problem!" his grammar makes it ambiguous and I think it would make a great new national motto: how fitting it would be to replace E PLURIBUS UNUM on our coinage with #1 IN TERROR, NO PROBLEM.
posted by Rust Moranis at 4:25 AM on February 7 [6 favorites]


@realLordDampnut

I can't tell if this is a joking modification of his actual twitter handle or a parody account. It reads as real.
posted by C'est la D.C. at 4:31 AM on February 7 [1 favorite]


It's from his real twitter, I just can't spread willingly spread his name unless it's to directly tie him to his crimes against humanity.
posted by Rust Moranis at 4:33 AM on February 7 [3 favorites]


And of course everything is a lie. He's repeatedly said he knows and talked with Putin. And the Iran deal wasn't just an Obama thing. Russia, China, UK, Germany and France were all part of the deal.
posted by chris24 at 4:49 AM on February 7 [13 favorites]


Interesting that he goes after Iran again on the same morning that we get a report of at least 20 killed and at least 40 wounded in a attack on the Afghan Supreme Court. What about the 13,000 people killed in Syria?
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:04 AM on February 7 [13 favorites]


And the Iran deal wasn't just an Obama thing. Russia, China, UK, Germany and France were all part of the deal.

And the EU.
posted by Mister Bijou at 5:05 AM on February 7 [3 favorites]


Serious question: how many staff does the White House actually have at this point? Fictional portrayals of the non-public-facing parts of the White House (e.g. The West Wing) make it look a lot like a busy newsroom: lots of screens and computers and people working them, running to and fro with pieces of paper, and that kind of makes sense, inasmuch as it's theoretically the nerve center of US policy and information flows through from a lot of sources. It's easy to believe that those portrayals are reflective of actual procedure in bygone days. Is it really just Trump and Bannon and Kushner working in the dark because they can't find the light switches now? When they want a list of "unreported" Islamic terror attacks, does Jared fire up MS Word and Google and laboriously copy and paste things around himself?

All these people have run organizations, and I'd think they'd know how to manage and make use of staff. I guess what I'm asking is, bro, do you even office?
posted by jackbishop at 5:08 AM on February 7 [29 favorites]


Guardian: Refugees crossing into Canada from US on foot despite freezing temperatures: A 2004 pact between Canada and the US, known as the Safe Third Country Agreement, forces most migrants to apply for asylum in the first country in which they arrive. As a result, refugee advocates say they’ve seen a spike in asylum seekers taking longer, riskier routes to cross the border into Canada and file claims inland, where the agreement does not apply.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:12 AM on February 7 [10 favorites]


^From that same article.^

“It is a fictitious reality to continue to pretend that the US is safe for refugees,” said Alex Neve of Amnesty International Canada, pointing to the executive order signed by Trump that seeks to temporarily halt the admission of refugees and ban Syrian refugees indefinitely.

Even if the ban is overturned completely, I absolutely do not think the country is safe for any refugee still.
posted by Kitteh at 5:16 AM on February 7 [8 favorites]


Way upthread now, but it occurs to me the best response to a Trump handshake is that move where you reach out halfway but then run your fingers through your hair instead.

Basically like Lester Holt did after whichever debate that was, although that time Trump seems to have just forgotten he was supposed to shake hands.
posted by aspersioncast at 5:18 AM on February 7 [5 favorites]


I don't know Putin, have no deals in Russia

'in' not 'with', I note.

It finally twigged earlier today why his use of language reminds me so much of the client who screwed me over (mentioned in a previous post way way back in the olden times, like literally over an actual week ago).

He uses terms of art fetishistically (not kink, the original meaning), and terms of artlessness similarly. His use of quotes isn't greengrocer grammar: to him it's sorcery. It's an idiots imitation of bad bow tied sales techniques. It's con-artistry without cunning or understanding. It's spoiled brat bullying self-mistaken for business ability.

It's the guy who puts the foot in the door, barges in, spills a bag of shit on the floor, and refuses to leave until you buy the hoover.

Still, it's proof that if you have the right start in life, and happen to be a sociopath, there's no limit to how far upwards you can fail.
posted by Buntix at 5:27 AM on February 7 [10 favorites]


What Steve Bannon Wants You to Read

Come for the apocalyptic white nationalism, stay for the explicit endorsement of ethnic cleansing.
posted by T.D. Strange at 5:27 AM on February 7 [13 favorites]




Come for the apocalyptic white nationalism, stay for the explicit endorsement of ethnic cleansing.

Holy. Shit. Bannon's in contact with MOLDBUG? The Dark Enlightenment neoreactionaries have seized the control room. This....how could it still have been worse than I thought?
posted by Rust Moranis at 5:37 AM on February 7 [20 favorites]


The full list of Trump's 'under-reported' terror attacks – and how they were reported, and / or anything else Twitler and Spicynuts manage to poop out into the information ecosystem: why would we bother?

I mean, why go to the trouble to ask Seannity a question? Or follow anything on Dër Tweets, assuming they line up in a roughly syntactically correct manner? They don't go anywhere except "Wow that's f'd up".

I'd much rather some deep dives on the lieutenants or department careerists as to whats going on. Not that I wouldn't enjoy a looping .gif of a KellyAnnePolls faceplant, its just not fact-rich.
posted by petebest at 5:44 AM on February 7 [2 favorites]


.how could it still have been worse than I thought?

Everything that Alex Jones says about government being willing to kill/imprison is actually put into use.
posted by rough ashlar at 5:45 AM on February 7 [2 favorites]


Republicans target legal immigration: They'll formally propose legislation on the matter as soon as today. :

The details:

Eliminates multiple avenues for U.S. citizens and permanent residents to sponsor family members for green cards.
Gets rid of the diversity visa lottery, which allots 50k visas per year for citizens of countries with low levels of immigration to the U.S.
Restricts the number of refugees allowed into the country to 50k annually — similar to rates outlined in Trump's travel ban.
If approved, the number of legal immigrants allowed into the U.S. under the bill would plummet by 40% in the first year and by 50% over the next 10 years, according to Cotton's aides.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 5:49 AM on February 7 [15 favorites]


Trump has become Putin's ally in Russia's war on the West
Moral relativism corrodes sentiment in the frontline states of the new cold war. In places like Bulgaria, Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine, pro-Western figures are feeling that their struggle is doomed. Why bother fighting for freedom when the leader of the free world has given up?
Worse than this, the thinking will spread that maybe Putin is right: the world is all about power and money, and the political currency that really works is coined from lies and fear. If those are the real rules of the game, then better to play them. It seems to have worked for Trump, after all.
posted by Buntix at 5:50 AM on February 7 [5 favorites]


I don't know Putin, have no deals in Russia

He literally just spoke on the phone with Putin. God make it stop.
posted by dis_integration at 5:53 AM on February 7 [14 favorites]


Republicans target legal immigration: They'll formally propose legislation on the matter as soon as today.

"At least they haven't noticed the minimum wage. At least they haven't noticed the minimum wage. At least they haven't noticed the minimum wage. At least they haven't noticed the minimum wage."
posted by Talez at 5:56 AM on February 7 [3 favorites]


Come on AARP, what say you?

AARP is too busy bombarding me with spam to speak to the matter.
posted by quonsar II: smock fishpants and the temple of foon at 5:56 AM on February 7 [6 favorites]


Last night I had a loooong talk with my spouse (like, started while we were cooking, continued through dinner, picked up again after the kid was in bed and didn't end until I went to bed) about race and intersectionality in the current resistance. He's a Bernie bro, though he would hate being characterized as such and did vote for Hillary. He is of the opinion that all that oppression stuff is irrelevant to the work that needs to be done now to fight the fascist regime, while I was trying to tell him that WITHOUT taking race and oppression into account there is nothing to fight FOR.

Man, was he ever resistant to that. Like, he got really defensive and angry and insisted that we all just need to UNIFY to fight and that talking about feelings and experiences is divisive and that nothing will get done if we pay any attention to that. And I was like, well, that's well and good that you want to unify without this stuff, but if others don't want to unify without it, there's not actually going to be unity, right? And what the hell are we actually fighting for, anyway? Isn't it an end to oppression? So, if you're oppressing people (and you don't get to decide whether others are being oppressed or not, if they say they are then you have to listen to them) then you're not really fighting to end oppression right?

This all started because I mentioned spitbull's comment above and he was, like, SO PUT OUT that that would be taken as offensive because the intent was to bring people together! And I was like, maybe if people are telling you it's offensive you should listen to them! And we went around and around and fucking AROUND about it all night, with him being all WE NEED TO UNIFY and me being all YES AND THAT MEANS LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE WE ARE TRYING TO HELP and gee whiz it was exhausting.

So anyway after all that I finally got him to agree to at least read something short about it and sent him this link but if anyone else has recommendations for intro readings about intersectionality that would be palatable to a white guy who thinks he knows about this shit but really doesn't I'd appreciate it. Because I suspect we're going to have to keep having this conversation for a while and maybe especially if there's something out there written by a dude (because we are ALSO going to have to have a talk about gender issues and feminism in the future boy howdy but he needs to maybe start with the race stuff first) that would be very much appreciated.
posted by rabbitrabbit at 5:56 AM on February 7 [68 favorites]


The full list of Trump's 'under-reported' terror attacks – and how they were reported

Most of the "how they were reported" are links to the Guardian, BBC and other foreign outlets, so they don't really count, because Trump obviously meant US media.

Also, it's not so far-fetched to say that foreign affairs in general are underreported in US media. But then again, who can blame the media? Most Americans are content to read about the antics of an orange psychopath, so that's what the media is selling them. Who cares what's going on in other parts of the world when there's enough interesting stuff going on at home?
posted by sour cream at 5:59 AM on February 7 [4 favorites]


It feels like Trump uses "deal" way differently than most people. I would gladly read an article breaking it down.
posted by drezdn at 6:00 AM on February 7 [1 favorite]


Why even legislate on immigration? Once you've turned the US into the authoritarian hellscape of your dreams, nobody will want to immigrate anyway. "Problem" solved!
posted by uncleozzy at 6:01 AM on February 7 [4 favorites]


Republicans target legal immigration: They'll formally propose legislation on the matter as soon as today.

This is going to cripple science and academia.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:02 AM on February 7 [37 favorites]


This is going to cripple science and academia.

That's the point. Fuck liberals!
posted by T.D. Strange at 6:07 AM on February 7 [13 favorites]


That's the point. Fuck liberals!

Oh, I'm aware.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:08 AM on February 7 [3 favorites]


>This is going to cripple science and academia.

And boy do they appreciate that.

Fuck the lot of them. I am really discouraged this morning. The writing on the wall I see today says "this is the end of the US. Even if you can stop the engine the momentum is there, full speed to the edge of the canyon, bye" and my anger is just infinite. This was ours, the freedom and the opportunity, and now we're collectively setting it on fire to warm some oligarchs.
posted by lydhre at 6:10 AM on February 7 [18 favorites]



Come for the apocalyptic white nationalism, stay for the explicit endorsement of ethnic cleansing.

Holy. Shit. Bannon's in contact with MOLDBUG? The Dark Enlightenment neoreactionaries have seized the wheel. This....how could it still have been worse than I thought?


I only know a bit about Moldbug. Does any of his thinking include dealing with the consequences of climate change? As in how it's going to disrupt everything?

I guess I have to read more about these great thinkers that Bannon so loves to see if they ever go there. So far I keep reading tracts from a bunch of (mostly men) mentally masturbating about the future of society and the big ideas of democracy blah blah and how it's dying or how this type of thinking means going off a cliff and the solution is A B C and so far none of this future thinking solutions mentions dealing with the political and social consequences of climate change.

Maybe these Bannon go-to dudes do talk about and I haven't seen it yet. It's a glaring omission if they don't. At this time in history any political thinker that doesn't have it embedded into the foundation of their thinking about the future is working from an incomplete set of parameters.
Anyone know, has Bannon ever talked about climate change in relation to his worldview as odious as it is? Could he know damn well it's a big issue and just not talk about it much because of politics? Or is he one of the types that just figures, no big deal and goes on 'thinking' as if it isn't this huge elephant in the room?
posted by Jalliah at 6:10 AM on February 7 [4 favorites]


BRB tracking my registered mail to Canadian passport services. All my and my kid's citizenship stuff cannot get processed fast enough. I'll stay and fight as long as I can but his future is on the line.
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:15 AM on February 7 [7 favorites]


This was ours, the freedom and the opportunity, and now we're collectively setting it on fire to warm some oligarchs.

We aren't collectively setting it on fire: many, many more votes were cast for D candidates for congress and president. The ruling class gerrymandered and voting-rights-gutted their way into destroying the USA with the votes of 25% of the population. Most of the country does not want this.
posted by Rust Moranis at 6:18 AM on February 7 [39 favorites]


Yeah, I'm submitting the paperwork to get my kids their Italian passports this week though I despair about the future of the EU too at this point. Fuck.
posted by lydhre at 6:18 AM on February 7 [5 favorites]


Also, it's not so far-fetched to say that foreign affairs in general are underreported in US media. But then again, who can blame the media?

In addition, a lot of the events in that list are kinda local. Without meaning to sound isolationist, why should American media cover, say, a nonfatal knife attack in Copenhagen? There's not a whole hell of a lot to that story to make it of interest to anybody outside Denmark (or even really outside of Copenhagen). That's an extreme example, but there are an awful lot o low-impact, unremarkable, local activities on that list which straight-up don't get a lot of media coverage outside of their immediate area. Labeling them relevant consequential on Islamic connections is basically cherry-picking bits and pieces out of absolutely normal chaos and violence and trying to build a narrative of Islamic terror from it. If these bullshit scraps are the best they can come up with, then, uh, Islamic extremism is a hell of a lot less dangerous than they think.
posted by jackbishop at 6:20 AM on February 7 [20 favorites]


BRB tracking my registered mail to Canadian passport services.

If you do move up here, please register to vote ASAP. We have federal election in 2019 and while Trudeau has failed in some of his campaign promises, we will need all hands on deck to prevent the same thing happening up here.

(Quick edit: your husband will not be able to vote in Canadian elections until he has actual citizenship, but you probably knew that.)
posted by Kitteh at 6:23 AM on February 7 [4 favorites]


>We aren't collectively setting it on fire: many, many more votes were cast for D candidates for congress and president. The ruling class gerrymandered and and voting-rights-gutted their way into destroying the USA with the votes of 25% of the population. Most of the country does not want this.

I hear you and yet. And yet there is goes. My kids' education, my kids' health care, my kids' very future in a planet with a devastating change in climate looming on the horizon.

I campaigned. I protested. I call my Senators and Representatives. I motivate my friends and family. But the anger in this country runs deep and it is primarily self-destructive. Someone needs to pull the brakes and the only people who can reach the brakes, the Republicans in government, are too busy performing for their base.

I'll fight. I am fighting. But today I'm feeling like shit.
posted by lydhre at 6:23 AM on February 7 [25 favorites]


Don't worry kitteh. I'm a former social studies teacher and serial voter. I vote! for! everything!
posted by soren_lorensen at 6:24 AM on February 7 [5 favorites]


The full list of Trump's 'under-reported' terror attacks – and how they were reported

Here's one item from Trump's list wherein a British tourist was murdered in Australia where the Australian police have specifically ruled out terrorism.
posted by biffa at 6:27 AM on February 7 [7 favorites]


Government by White Nationalism Is Upon Us, Jamelle Bouie, Slate
The ideological leader of the Trump movement is Sessions, hailed by Bannon for “developing populist nation-state policies” from his somewhat isolated perch in the Senate. Bannon, who avoids the spotlight, gives away the game in his praise of Sessions. “In America and Europe, working people are reasserting their right to control their own destinies,” he wrote in a recent statement to the Washington Post, blasting the “cosmopolitan elites in the media that live in a handful of our larger cities.” Given the demographics of Trump’s support—given the demographics of Europe—this definition of “working people” can mean only one thing: white people. And “cosmopolitan elites” has a long history as a euphemism for Jews and other minorities.
Sessions at least does us the service of being clear about his ideas and priorities. “In seven years we’ll have the highest percentage of Americans, non-native born, since the founding of the republic,” he said in a 2015 interview with Bannon.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 6:31 AM on February 7 [34 favorites]


If you do move up here, please register to vote ASAP.

Which you can do by checking a little box on your next tax return.
posted by hangashore at 6:39 AM on February 7 [5 favorites]


Jalliah - I only know a bit about Moldbug. Does any of his thinking include dealing with the consequences of climate change? As in how it's going to disrupt everything?

I don't know his specific thoughts on climate change but I do know that he does not care if 99% of the world dies, so long as he personally gets to have the nicest hut and the most slaves.
posted by Rust Moranis at 6:43 AM on February 7 [7 favorites]


I am waiting for my US passport to be renewed. It was set to expire this May, so putting it off was not really an option. The check has been cashed but that's all I've seen so far.

I feel very vulnerable right now, being an American with no passport. Fuck.
posted by sciatrix at 6:44 AM on February 7 [15 favorites]


Well shit snacks. I was planning to move back to the US with my husband in 2018 but if they're going to make it impossible for me to sponsor him then that's out the window. Fuck.
posted by supercrayon at 6:44 AM on February 7 [3 favorites]


It feels like we are ( and should be ) using every tool at our disposal for short term survival and long term prosperity. So are they.
posted by ZeusHumms at 6:44 AM on February 7 [7 favorites]


to get my kids their Italian passports this week though I despair about the future of the EU too at this point

If you do move up here, please register to vote ASAP. We have federal election in 2019 and while Trudeau has failed in some of his campaign promises, we will need all hands on deck to prevent the same thing happening up here.


I would never disparage anyone's choices to move where they think they can survive longer (go! go where you can while you can!), but this rise in fascism is absolutely a worldwide movement; it's just seeping into certain places faster than others. I don't think it's really escapable any more -- only combatable.

No way out but through, and there will be no reversal to the political systems that dominated the 20th Century's (sort-of-)Pax (mostly-)Americana. I think worldwide unification and a universal template of social justice based on something like FDR's Second Bill Of Rights is going to be the only thing at this point that can keep us from falling into the irradiated-earth version of feudalism.
posted by Greg Nog at 6:46 AM on February 7 [34 favorites]


Oh I know. The Italian passports are a small out if Gilead comes to pass in the US. Nothing's going to help WW3 and/or the rising tide of white nationalism worldwide. My parents grew up in fascist Italy: there are few comforts to be found in Europe if things head south.
posted by lydhre at 6:51 AM on February 7 [7 favorites]


Jason Kander Launches 'Let America Vote' To Fight Voter Suppression Laws Across The Country
Jason Kander today launched Let America Vote, an organization dedicated to winning the public debate over voter suppression in the United States. For several years, challenges to voter suppression efforts have taken place almost exclusively in courts of law. With the launch of Let America Vote, the fight expands to the court of public opinion.

Kander is joined by a Board of Advisors committed to voting rights, including human rights activist Martin Luther King III, Planned Parenthood Action Fund president Cecile Richards, former White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest, and renowned voting rights and election attorney Marc Elias.
Twitter handle: @Let_AmericaVote
posted by melissasaurus at 6:52 AM on February 7 [96 favorites]


I feel very vulnerable right now, being an American with no passport. Fuck.

Yeah, mine expired and I had meant to renew it and never got around to it. And we need one for my daughter, so all three of us have to physically appear, which, it turns out, is a scheduling problem, which means we won't have actual passports in our hands until at least the end of April or May.

Or, you know, never. Depending.
posted by uncleozzy at 6:52 AM on February 7 [2 favorites]


Side note: just saw the US political thread widget on the front page side bar. Neat. ( Metatalk thread )
posted by ZeusHumms at 6:52 AM on February 7 [7 favorites]


If these bullshit scraps are the best they can come up with, then, uh, Islamic extremism is a hell of a lot less dangerous than they think.

Yeah, but these scraps are the best they can come up with, because these incidents are so underreported.
IT'S JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG, DON'T YOU SEE??!?
posted by sour cream at 6:54 AM on February 7 [1 favorite]


If these bullshit scraps are the best they can come up with, then, uh, Islamic extremism is a hell of a lot less dangerous than they think.

A FOAF put it best: "all this list proves is that trump is somehow bad at watching TV, the sole activity he is said to enjoy"
posted by Etrigan at 6:55 AM on February 7 [55 favorites]


all this list proves is that trump is somehow bad at watching TV, the sole activity he is said to enjoy"

Nope. No way Trump put that list together. It's a well-known fact real men don't put lists together. They delegate. That list was thrown together by someone else in the WH. Typos include "attaker” (attacker) and “Denmakr” (Denmark). Slipshod, but so what.
posted by Mister Bijou at 7:10 AM on February 7 [3 favorites]


Also misspelled San Bernardino. It's almost as if the author was foreign speaking....
posted by PenDevil at 7:12 AM on February 7 [2 favorites]




So instead he is bad at delegating, the only action he is able to do.
posted by dinty_moore at 7:13 AM on February 7 [3 favorites]


CNN video

Camerota: Why isn't the president talking about white terrorism? Duffy: There's a difference.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:17 AM on February 7 [8 favorites]


Also misspelled San Bernardino. It's almost as if the author was foreign speaking....

maybe they're just a zappa fan
posted by murphy slaw at 7:20 AM on February 7 [2 favorites]


Sean Duffy, another shining example of what happens when you let reality TV "stars" hold office.
posted by palomar at 7:21 AM on February 7 [13 favorites]


Camerota: Why isn't the president talking about white terrorism? Duffy: There's a difference.

Well I mean technically he's not wrong. But I'm not sure he realizes the implications of what he's saying.
posted by Talez at 7:24 AM on February 7 [1 favorite]


the difference is that the administration doesn't care.
posted by murphy slaw at 7:25 AM on February 7 [7 favorites]


China Daily, the English language arm of the Chinese government controlled press, enters the political cartoons mocking Trump and Bannon sweepstakes.
posted by chris24 at 7:25 AM on February 7 [8 favorites]




Yeah... from that video: "Death and murder on both sides is wrong", referring to the Quebec terrorist (white) and islamic terrorists in general. Explicitly defining that whites and muslims are the two sides in this scenario.

Fuck these people.
posted by birdheist at 7:28 AM on February 7 [22 favorites]


So the proposed immigration legislation would be terrible and it infuriates me that people would propose anti-family shit like this and then dare to present themselves as SuperChristians but:

This is going to cripple science and academia.

I don't really see that? Science/tech/academic types usually enter under a nonimmigrant H1B or as a continuation of their nonimmigrant F visas as grad students, and then AOS to a work-based green card (or marry an American while they're here). They aren't usually "imported" as a resident's/citizen's sister or uncle or under the DV, which are what this stupid, bad, awful thing takes the axe to. I can see that this climate overall makes the US less attractive for anyone, and that the proposed changes would further reduce the attractiveness of the US because they would make it harder for scientists/academics to bring their parents over. But I don't see that direct effect?
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 7:30 AM on February 7 [2 favorites]


Here is a link to the 9th Circuit's website, where they will be livestreaming the oral arguments on the Washington federal case at 6pm Eastern/3pm Pacific.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 7:35 AM on February 7 [10 favorites]


And we need one for my daughter, so all three of us have to physically appear, which, it turns out, is a scheduling problem, which means we won't have actual passports in our hands until at least the end of April or May.

Unless something is special about your circumstances that is not true. You can have just one custodial parent there provided you have a notarized affidavit from the other parent along. It's how we did our kiddo's last year because we had similar scheduling challenges. My wife filled out the document and got it notarized and I took him for the appointment. They pulled a last minute demand for a photocopy of her drivers license on me which required a ridiculous effort for me to get her to text it to me and me print it on the library printers - so I'm warning you of that bit of BS - but you absolutely can do it that way.

Check the passport document directions for a link to the needed document.
posted by phearlez at 7:38 AM on February 7 [2 favorites]


if anyone else has recommendations for intro readings about intersectionality that would be palatable to a white guy who thinks he knows about this shit but really doesn't I'd appreciate it.

INTERSECTIONALITY IS REAL
UNITY MEANS NOT ALL THE LEADERS WILL BE WHITE OR DUDES OR, ESPECIALLY, WHITE DUDES
WOMEN ARE ALREADY IN THE STREET
LGBTQ ARE ALREADY IN THE STREET
POC ARE ALREADY IN THE STREET
LATINX ARE ALREADY IN STREET
AMERICAN MUSLIMS ARE ALREADY IN THE STREET
AMERICAN JEWS ARE ALREADY IN THE STREET
WOULD YOU CARE TO JOIN THEM?

Signed,

A White Guy
posted by snuffleupagus at 7:38 AM on February 7 [72 favorites]


I don't really see that? Science/tech/academic types usually enter under a nonimmigrant H1B or as a continuation of their nonimmigrant F visas as grad students, and then AOS to a work-based green card (or marry an American while they're here)

H-1Bs are going to be much harder to get and F-1 only lasts a year. The diversity lottery (a backdoor for post-grads which doesn't require as much hassle) is ending. Instead educational employers will be fighting for EB-2 spots of which only ~10,000 can come from a single country.

This is a major kick in the teeth to any sort of retention program of highly skilled graduates. Instead the graduates will go to China or Europe.
posted by Talez at 7:40 AM on February 7 [11 favorites]


Jalliah - I only know a bit about Moldbug. Does any of his thinking include dealing with the consequences of climate change? As in how it's going to disrupt everything?

I don't know his specific thoughts on climate change but I do know that he does not care if 99% of the world dies, so long as he personally gets to have the nicest hut and the most slaves.


Wonderful. I'm now diving into this Bannon thought world and am not looking forward to it. I'm telling myself that I'm a ranger, about to embark on a quest in the Dark Lands. Maybe that will help if I try to pretend it's an adventure.
posted by Jalliah at 7:41 AM on February 7 [5 favorites]


Thanks. I didn't see those points in the politico article, maybe because I missed them but gonna guess because politico.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 7:42 AM on February 7


I don't know what SNL going at them harder would look like but that's why they're bigshot comedy writers and I'm not.

Since it's such a touchy subject, I'd love to see them insert little bits into the cold opens regarding Trump's lack of billions. Little asides like Trump quietly asking someone for a couple of dollars to cover greens fees, or asking someone for a dollar for the pop machine. Just little asides insinuating he has no money. A thousand paper cuts.
posted by Thorzdad at 7:43 AM on February 7 [38 favorites]


To be fair, I hear the H1B is also under fire for revision, and I cannot think that the new rules are going to be as helpful to academics as they currently are. I also note that academics are being heavily hit by the new country-specific bans--for example, the student who most recently graduated from my lab is an Iranian permanent resident and hadn't previously intended to leave the country after her newest postdoc in Seattle finishes. She has a first-author Science manuscript under her belt from her grad work here; she's a very promising scientist--and we're all worried for her here. Thank god she didn't go home to visit her family in Iran this winter as she'd originally planned to do.

It's not even just about it being harder for scientists to bring their families to live with them; a lot of this is upsetting scientists because it's vastly reducing the talent pool that PIs can pull from internationally, as potential advisers ask themselves whether it is ethical to recruit students whose visa status might be revoked or called into question under a hostile administration. I am already seeing PIs on my twitter feeds, which I have been largely absent from, talking about how they don't think they can recruit many of the promising people they would otherwise like to work with. Those people are already going to other countries instead.

We're afraid because US science traditionally recruits from a very, very wide base--my lab also had a permanent resident from Columbia until recently when he too graduated, and I know students here who are permanent residents from Lithuania, China, the UK, Australia, India--and that's in a department which is outside of my lab honestly pretty unusually white. And we're afraid because not only do we know damn well that there is little support for our immigrant friends and colleagues and coworkers under this administration, we know that this administration also hates us as scientists and academics, and will cheerfully overhaul the rules to make our jobs harder and remove some of the helpful loopholes that make immigration relatively easy for academics if it can.
posted by sciatrix at 7:43 AM on February 7 [14 favorites]


sour cream: IT'S JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG, DON'T YOU SEE??!?
It really does feel like both sides are screaming "Wake up, sheeple!" at each other all the time now.
posted by ragtag at 7:43 AM on February 7 [7 favorites]


if anyone else has recommendations for intro readings about intersectionality that would be palatable to a white guy who thinks he knows about this shit but really doesn't I'd appreciate it.

Everyday Feminism? This sort of thing is kind of their whole reason for being.
posted by sciatrix at 7:44 AM on February 7 [2 favorites]


To be fair, I hear the H1B is also under fire for revision, and I cannot think that the new rules are going to be as helpful to academics as they currently are.

Dramatic cuts and $130K minimum salary. For most educational institutions this is a death knell for keeping graduates. Biotech might survive with all the tech shit being offshored instead of using H1-Bs.
posted by Talez at 7:45 AM on February 7 [5 favorites]


Trump's tweet about calling the shots reminds me of the best Tywin Lannister quote, "Any man who must say, "I am the king" is no true king."
posted by drezdn at 7:48 AM on February 7 [66 favorites]


Wonderful. I'm now diving into this Bannon thought world and am not looking forward to it. I'm telling myself that I'm a ranger, about to embark on a quest in the Dark Lands. Maybe that will help if I try to pretend it's an adventure.


you really don't have to dig very deeply to get the gist. read maybe one (half?) moldbug essay and you'll get all the low points. it's over-privileged libertarian softboys bloviating about how democracy is doomed to failure due to the inadequacy of the masses and how neo-feudalism will save the race by awarding power to those with the wherewithal to seize it.

naturally they end up near the top of the power structure in these fantasies.
posted by murphy slaw at 7:52 AM on February 7 [18 favorites]


YUP that's not just going to affect PhD students, it's going to affect postdocs. We were all salivating and going "oh my God such high salary very wow" when the Obama administration's overtime rules meant they had to pay postdocs a sweet $50k or else not make them work overtime.

For the record, the salary raise my dean was trying to use to tempt grad students to take 2 years of guaranteed support instead of the traditional five would bring us all the way up to a whopping $27k. I don't even think many senior profs make enough from salary for that cutoff.
posted by sciatrix at 7:53 AM on February 7 [13 favorites]




Trump's tweet about calling the shots reminds me of the best Tywin Lannister quote, "Any man who must say, "I am the king" is no true king."

god I wish the Lannisters would stop popping into my mind ever single time I try to figure out what's going on in the Red Keep I mean the White House
posted by Rust Moranis at 7:54 AM on February 7 [6 favorites]


"I'm the decider" - also spoken by an empty figurehead while the Real President worked behind the scenes. Seems common among Republican Presidents. Out of the four in my lifetime, only George H.W. Bush wasn't obviously and blatantly a puppet for powers behind the throne.

Reagan and Trump seem similar in that both appear to have shared the delusion that they really were President, so the behind the scenes stuff is more divisive, more chaotic, and more factionalized.

Junior clearly knew from the outset that he was the face and Real President Cheney was in charge, which produced a less factionalized and divided Cabinet than Reagan had or Trump appears to be building. With those two Real President is a revolving post mostly dependent on who spoke to the Boy King last.
posted by sotonohito at 7:54 AM on February 7 [10 favorites]


Fun Fact! Many fantasy settings are based on the War of the Roses, so if you're into those allusions there are actual historical precedents available.
posted by winna at 7:55 AM on February 7 [9 favorites]


Gentleman Caller and I have a running inside joke involving a Pomeranian in a group of big dogs squeaking out "I'M THE ALPHA!" When Lord Dampnut tweeted that he calls the shots, I heard it in the voice of a Pom surrounded by Dobermans.
posted by pxe2000 at 7:57 AM on February 7 [6 favorites]


Trump on travel ban: “You know, some things are law, and I’m all in favor of that, and some things are common sense. This is common sense.”

Fast-forward to Spicer claiming, ironically against all common sense, that what Trump meant was that he's in favor of passing common-sense laws. And not that he literally meant -- as he here actually said -- that Trump believes that 'common sense' trumps (ahem) the rule of law.
posted by cjelli at 8:01 AM on February 7 [2 favorites]


Ah, common sense. We had a "Common Sense Revolution" up here in Ontario 20 years ago and the province is still recovering from it. Turned out "common sense" meant "slash services, regulations, oversight and taxes to the point where schools and roads start falling apart, water supplies get tainted to the point where people die and public transit systems become financially untenable."
posted by The Card Cheat at 8:02 AM on February 7 [35 favorites]


the striking difference between Trump and Reagan is that Reagan managed to put a friendly face on all of his horrible regressive policies. he sold out the working class, minorities, and LBTQ by telling us that America was the greatest and would only get greater if the darn government would get out of our way. he was a nasty, empty man but he had most of the country convinced that he was good ol' grandpa with a big smile and a friendly wave.

Trump seems to share most of Reagan's inadequacies (incurious, easily distracted, surrounded by vipers slavering to dismantle the social infrastructure, bellicose) without any of the charisma or happy talk that allowed Reagan to get away with it.

Trump says everything is terrible and only he can save us; Reagan told us everything was wonderful and would only get better the more we relied on ourselves.
posted by murphy slaw at 8:03 AM on February 7 [29 favorites]


I think for Trump common sense just means, "Look, every now and then I'm gonna break the law, so suck it."
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 8:05 AM on February 7 [20 favorites]


Some moves just seems so tactically stupid that I can't understand. Like, fine, the topic of underreported terrorist attacks has now come up. I'll agree and go as far as to say there are plenty - in the Middle East. Like in Syria? The refugees are fleeing violence that frequently goes under or unreported. If every weekend was 9/11 and Sandy Hook, and you were fleeing, we'd be a right bunch of assholes to say "go away".
posted by fragmede at 8:05 AM on February 7 [8 favorites]


but this rise in fascism is absolutely a worldwide movement; it's just seeping into certain places faster than others. I don't think it's really escapable any more -- only combatable.

Yes indeed - it is looking various degrees of bleak in most of everywhere at the moment.

Something that did help me with general doom about the future at the end of 2016 was comparing it to 1916 and 1816. 1916: half the world in turmoil, war, bloodshed. One million dead at the hell on earth that was the Battle of the Somme. 1816: 'Year without a Summer', when a massive volcanic eruption caused big climate shifts in the Northern Hemisphere. Freezing temperatures. Famines, floods, waves of epidemic cholera across Europe.

I don't say this in a kind of comparative "see, it's not so bad now!" sense. More that, if you were living through those things at that time, it must have felt like the literal end of the fucking world. I don't know how you could ever look up from there and see any kind of better future on the horizon. And for lots of people there wasn't, obviously - but for many (ordinary, good-hearted, well-intentioned) people who felt that bleak at the time, there was a better future waiting even if they couldn't even imagine it from where they were standing. And in large part, it existed because they made it themselves.

Also I play lots of different recordings of the 1940s song 'A Lovely Way to Spend an Evening'. This is because a) I like it and b) my grandfather-in-law fought in the Second World War, and one of the stories he told about that was being in mainland Europe in 1945 and hearing the news of VE Day, and one of his army friends climbing on the table in a pub to sing that song. My grandfather-in-law would start singing it himself every time he told the story, smiling the whole time.

So: fuck you Nazis, there's a better future out there and that's my anthem for it.
posted by Catseye at 8:07 AM on February 7 [74 favorites]


Humans like to put things in a box and then label the box so they then know what to do with the box.

Labels like Republican. Democrat. Nazi. Fascist.

Trump is a 'license my name' operation. He's in a box of his own making.

SO:

Let Trump OWN what he's doing in his own name. Fears of US law and UK laws are an inhibitor to someone creating 1stpasstrump.com (or some domain) who's sole goal is to work on writing that 1st pass at what history will remember when the name Trump is used.
posted by rough ashlar at 8:08 AM on February 7 [2 favorites]


Ugh. That's all I can muster today. But I AM looking forward to the Feb 11 March here. NAACPnc.org has teamed up with HKonJ and Womens March on Raleigh & are expecting a decent turnout. Sign making party @ the Pinhook in Durham on Thursday, kids.

And count me in on the TBA Day without A Woman strike.
posted by yoga at 8:13 AM on February 7 [6 favorites]


More that, if you were living through those things at that time, it must have felt like the literal end of the fucking world.

In many case, for many of those people, it *was* the end of the world. Between WWI and the Flu pandemic, something like 1 in 50 people on planet earth died in a six or seven year stretch. Just because the New Deal happened doesn't erase the misery that was the Depression. Et cetera.

Don't fall victim to the Whiggish history fallacy. On the other side of the coin, once upon a time the ancient greeks forgot how to read and write for, like, *500 years.* Things are not always getting better, than the don't always turn out okay. Which is not a call to apathy or anything, but always worth keeping in mind when we're talking about the so-called "lessons from history."
posted by absalom at 8:14 AM on February 7 [33 favorites]


Trump's tweet about calling the shots reminds me of the best Tywin Lannister quote, "Any man who must say, "I am the king" is no true king."

Yup. If you ever find yourself saying, "Because I'm the boss -- that's why," then you've already lost.
posted by emelenjr at 8:15 AM on February 7 [6 favorites]


2017 MAKERS Conference Welcome Video: Remember, you are the heroes and history makers, the glass-ceiling breakers of the future. ... Never doubt you are valuable and powerful and deserving of every chance and opportunity in the world.
posted by rewil at 8:17 AM on February 7 [4 favorites]


David Frum, The Atlantic: How to Beat Trump
Here are a few useful tests:

a) Could this demand be achieved by a law passed through Congress?

b) Can I imagine my Rush Limbaugh listening brother-in-law agreeing with it?

c) Can I tweet it?

If so … good.

Alternatively,

d) Would I still be upset about this if Marco Rubio were president now?

If so ... bad.
@sam_kriss:
our new comrade david frum has some advice for left-wing resistance to the trump agenda, and it's to uphold the marco rubio agenda

david frum at a protest: why not use right-wing symbols to support right-wing policies?
david frum at the marathon: it'd be quicker to drive
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 8:17 AM on February 7 [26 favorites]


In many case, for many of those people, it *was* the end of the world. Between WWI and the Flu pandemic, something like 1 in 50 people on planet earth died in a six or seven year stretch.

Well, yes - I did indeed say exactly that! For a lot of people, of course, there wasn't any sort of future at all. But for others, there was, and there was because they made it, even after going through a time when it must have felt even more than today like: we're fucked, it's over, there's no hope of anything ever coming back from this.
posted by Catseye at 8:18 AM on February 7 [3 favorites]


Camerota: Why isn't the president talking about white terrorism?

Some other Conservative, pro-birth, anti-Islam Republicans, like, say, former Texas Representative Molly White, *really* don't like it when you ask them that question with a camera rolling.

They probably don't like it when it's reported by the press, either.
posted by the matching mole at 8:28 AM on February 7 [18 favorites]


They got Martha Stewart on 18 USC 1001, and Accused Child Rapist Donald J. Trump is being sued for lying by Summer Zervos, ( And it's common knowledge that Serial Sexual Predator Donald J. Trump Lies. All. The. Time. So this is where my money is:
18 U.S. Code § 1001 - Statements or entries generally

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—

(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;

(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or

(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;

shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.

(b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a party to a judicial proceeding, or that party’s counsel, for statements, representations, writings or documents submitted by such party or counsel to a judge or magistrate in that proceeding.

(c) With respect to any matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch, subsection (a) shall apply only to—

(1) administrative matters, including a claim for payment, a matter related to the procurement of property or services, personnel or employment practices, or support services, or a document required by law, rule, or regulation to be submitted to the Congress or any office or officer within the legislative branch; or

(2) any investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee, subcommittee, commission or office of the Congress, consistent with applicable rules of the House or Senate.

posted by mikelieman at 8:29 AM on February 7 [8 favorites]


I do think it's essential to remember though, that the fight against Trump is only one front in a planetary conflict.

The Enlightenment has been threatened since it was first invented, for convenience I'll call the opposition the darkness since it's actual name changed in every incarnation the anti-Enlightenment forces took.

Today the darkness is spreading again, and just as WWII didn't start on Dec 7 1941, neither did the current war against the darkness start with the election of Trump.

In India there's Modi.

In the Philippines there's Duterte.

In Japan there's Abe.

In the UK there's the whole UKIP/Brexit/whatever coalition.

In France there's LePen.

In Russia the darkness faltered briefly after the fall of the USSR, but is now fully back in power with Putin.

In China, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran and dozens of other nations the darkness has held sway for decades.

This is not a new fight, it is not a local fight, it is an old fight that is taking place all over. If we lose sight of that, if we imagine that the fight is only against Trump we'll lose strategically even if we win in the USA. I'm not sure what we can do for our fellows fighting for the Enlightenment in other nations, I'm not sure if there's anything we can do right now. But we must remember that we all fight together and we're all after the same basic goal of Enlightenment values.

We are all accelerationists now. Most of us didn't want to be, but that's what we're stuck with like it or not.

The problem though, is that we aren't really fighting the big names. They have the backing of a great many of our fellow citizens, and while I advocate fighting I mean that in the sense of legal wrangling not actual physical conflict (for as long as we're allowed to fight that way). We certainly shouldn't be looking at our fellow citizens who have fallen under the sway of the darkness as enemy soldiers, as people to be killed. You can't murder your way to a better world.

And I don't know how to get them to give up the darkness and see the virtue of Enlightenment thinking. I don't much support accelerationism because I don't think it works: when things burn down the people who voted for Trump won't blame him, they won't suddenly become leftist or start voting Democratic. The idea of a new era of national politics with Democrats as the right wing party with the opposition coming from a new party to their left is a lovely fantasy, but I don't see a way to get from here to there no matter how much stuff Trump burns.

I think that's a very practical reason to look to the broader conflict, some of our allies in other places may develop techniques that we can apply.
posted by sotonohito at 8:34 AM on February 7 [54 favorites]


Have there been any developments about his lease with the Old Post Office?
posted by kirkaracha at 8:37 AM on February 7 [4 favorites]


Trump offers to `destroy' a Texas senator to help Rockwall sheriff : At a meeting this morning with sheriffs from around the country, Sheriff Harold Eavenson complained about a state senator for getting in the way of some measures he felt would be helpful.

"Want to give his name? We'll destroy his career," Trump offered.
posted by roomthreeseventeen at 8:37 AM on February 7 [67 favorites]


Have there been any developments about his lease with the Old Post Office?

Maybe?

Chaffetz has no idea why Trump wants to see him
posted by Rust Moranis at 8:38 AM on February 7 [1 favorite]


But we must remember that we all fight together and we're all after the same basic goal of Enlightenment values.

The last time Nazis were defeated, it took an invasion and Hitler's poor strategic thinking in turning a winnable 1 front war into a hopeless 2 front war. There's no white knight army on Earth that can invade and defeat Trumpism by force. Fascism has never been brought down internally before.
posted by T.D. Strange at 8:38 AM on February 7 [4 favorites]


True. It's going to be one hell of a fight. The good news is that Trumpism isn't firmly embedded yet, and we do have institutional inertia on our side. We may be able to fight off the infection and recover.
posted by sotonohito at 8:43 AM on February 7 [5 favorites]


Trump offers to `destroy' a Texas senator to help Rockwall sheriff : At a meeting this morning with sheriffs from around the country, Sheriff Harold Eavenson complained about a state senator for getting in the way of some measures he felt would be helpful.

"Want to give his name? We'll destroy his career," Trump offered.


HE SAID THAT IN FRONT OF THE FUCKING PRESS POOL. HSADFOIPKH!OI@#H%ROIQKBSNAFK
posted by Talez at 8:44 AM on February 7 [70 favorites]


Meanwhile, Rahm Emanuel is throwing cold water on the Democrats' chances in the mid-terms: "It ain't gonna happen in 2018. Take a chill pill, man. You gotta be in this for the long haul."

He went on to suggest an objective for his party: "Winning's everything. If you don't win, you can't make the public policy. I say that because it is hard for people in our party to accept that principle. Sometimes, you've just got to win, OK? Our party likes to be right, even if they lose." He continued, "I don't go to moral victory speeches. I can't stand them. I've never lost an election. It's about winning, because if you win you then have the power to go do what has to get done. If you lose, you can write the book about what happened — great, that's really exciting! [/s]"
posted by Doktor Zed at 8:44 AM on February 7 [13 favorites]


Trump on travel ban: “You know, some things are law, and I’m all in favor of that, and some things are common sense. This is common sense.” (video)


Why do I feel this line of thinking would not play at all among Republicans discussing protestors and civil disobedience?
posted by Rykey at 8:45 AM on February 7


Trump gives America's 'poorest white town' hope
"If you got a job here in Beattyville, you're lucky," says Amber Hayes, a bubbly 25-year-old mom of two, who also voted for Trump. She works at the county courthouse, but is paid by the Kentucky Transitional Assistance Program (K-TAP), a form of welfare.

Coal, oil and tobacco made Beattyville a boom town in the 1800s and much of the 1900s. Locals like to bring up the fact that Lee County -- where Beattyville is located -- was the No. 1 oil-producing county east of the Mississippi at one time.

"Growing up in the '70s? Yeah, this was the place to be," says Chuck Caudhill, the general manager of the local paper, The Beattyville Enterprise. He calls the town the "gem of eastern Kentucky."

Today, the town is a ghost of its former self. The vast majority of Beattyville residents get some form of government aid -- 57% of households receive food stamps and 58% get disability payments from Social Security.

"I hope [Trump] don't take the benefits away, but at the same time, I think that once more jobs come in a lot of people won't need the benefits," says Hayes, who currently receives about $500 a month from government assistance. She's also on Obamacare.
posted by octothorpe at 8:48 AM on February 7 [12 favorites]


"I hope [Trump] don't take the benefits away, but at the same time, I think that once more jobs come in a lot of people won't need the benefits," says Hayes, who currently receives about $500 a month from government assistance. She's also on Obamacare."

Self-delusion is a helluva drug.
posted by Thorzdad at 8:51 AM on February 7 [37 favorites]


Self-delusion is a helluva drug.

And the only legal one she'll be able to afford after Obamacare's gone.
posted by Celsius1414 at 8:54 AM on February 7 [16 favorites]


Meanwhile, Rahm Emanuel is throwing cold water on the Democrats' chances in the mid-terms: "It ain't gonna happen in 2018. Take a chill pill, man. You gotta be in this for the long haul."


I realize it's important not to get expectations so high that engagement crashes and burns when the GOP retains control of Congress, but Democrats dropping to 40 votes or fewer in the Senate is such a nightmare scenario (assuming, as always, that representative democracy is still going to be a thing in 2019) that it'd be very nice if nobody did anything to tamp down on voter enthusiasm.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 8:54 AM on February 7 [20 favorites]


(Is there a reason we should care what Rahm thinks?)
posted by tobascodagama at 8:55 AM on February 7 [19 favorites]


And how does the AARP feel about insurance prices for some of its membership going up drastically? Do they agree that 3.49 rounds down to 3, so all is good?

Most, not all, AARP members are on sweet Medicare and could give a damn about Obamacare. One of the big obstacles to generating approval for Obamacare is that it really only directly affects about 7% of the population and many of those are low income. So its easy for the Republican party to get their hate on for Obamacare because it really doesn't affect most Republicans. They treat it like the food stamp program for poor people.
posted by JackFlash at 8:55 AM on February 7 [2 favorites]


Trump offers to `destroy' a Texas senator to help Rockwall sheriff : At a meeting this morning with sheriffs from around the country, Sheriff Harold Eavenson complained about a state senator for getting in the way of some measures he felt would be helpful.

"Want to give his name? We'll destroy his career," Trump offered.

HE SAID THAT IN FRONT OF THE FUCKING PRESS POOL. HSADFOIPKH!OI@#H%ROIQKBSNAFK
He said that in front of the cameras
posted by Brainy at 8:56 AM on February 7 [53 favorites]


I loathe Rahm Emmanuel, but he's right in this case. You do have to win. But you've also got to win with people who will vote the way you want or it's a meaningless victory. I'm probably too far on the purity side, I see that as necessary to counterbalance the "win even if the 'victory' is meaningless because you elected DINO's" side. We saw in 2008 how little "victory" meant if half our team was traitors.

But yeah, you do have to win or there's not much else to say.
posted by sotonohito at 8:57 AM on February 7 [6 favorites]


Fascism has never been brought down internally before.

At the same time, European countries such as Germany and Italy are perhaps not the best analogy for the US. Much much smaller, much more homogeneous, perhaps more akin to individual states than the full union (albeit states that were willing to go to horrific war with one another).
posted by Existential Dread at 8:58 AM on February 7 [2 favorites]


So, since the state visit to the UK will happen, and the queen will have to endure it, how long afterwards before it's okay for her to invite Alec Baldwin over for tea?
posted by ocschwar at 8:59 AM on February 7 [3 favorites]


Meanwhile, Rahm Emanuel is throwing cold water on the Democrats' chances in the mid-terms: "It ain't gonna happen in 2018. Take a chill pill, man. You gotta be in this for the long haul."

Let's both hope he's wrong and hope he's that confidently wrong in his own re-election chances in 2019.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 8:59 AM on February 7 [5 favorites]


Winning's everything. If you don't win, you can't make the public policy.

Hence why he covered up the McDonald video - had that come out at the time, Garcia would be mayor of Chicago now.

Fuck you very much, Rahm.
posted by NoxAeternum at 8:59 AM on February 7 [12 favorites]


Meanwhile, Rahm Emanuel is throwing cold water on the Democrats' chances in the mid-terms: "It ain't gonna happen in 2018. Take a chill pill, man. You gotta be in this for the long haul."

He went on to suggest an objective for his party: "Winning's everything. If you don't win, you can't make the public policy. I say that because it is hard for people in our party to accept that principle. Sometimes, you've just got to win, OK? Our party likes to be right, even if they lose." He continued, "I don't go to moral victory speeches. I can't stand them. I've never lost an election. It's about winning, because if you win you then have the power to go do what has to get done. If you lose, you can write the book about what happened — great, that's really exciting! [/s]"


Rahm got primaried and nearly lost his mayoral race in Chicago against someone who was essentially running as 'not Rahm Emanuel'. And I want to stress how difficult it is for the mayor to get successfully primaried in Chicago - the reason why Daley ran unopposed for so many mayoral races isn't because he was universally beloved (he wasn't), but because the number of signatures it takes to get on the mayoral ballot is three times the number required for New York City. The last time an incumbent ran in an election and lost was 1983, against Jane Byrne - and that required a three way race.

So yes, we need to win, and we need to fight. But Rahm's not exactly a winning case here, since he can barely keep ahold of power with all of the odds stacked in his favor.
posted by dinty_moore at 8:59 AM on February 7 [11 favorites]


The thing about winning is that after you've won, you have to keep winning. The point of winning is not to keep Rahm in office. It's to actually achieve parts of your agenda.
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 9:00 AM on February 7 [7 favorites]


Oh my god. I mean, I was going to cackle snidely if it's bad enough that he's going to take down Cornyn or Cruz but he's going after the little guys if he's tackling state senators now--bear in mind that here in Texas, these guys aren't even professional politicians per se; that's why they only meet once every two years. This is not that guy's full-time gig. And I'm suddenly even more worried than I was about my kickass state Senator, who is doing his damndest to hold the line in Texas.

Also, I keep thinking of generational memory here, given how many Mefites are able to remember grandparents or even grandparents-in-law who actually fought Nazis to give them a memory that lets them push on, or who grumble that America has forgotten the protest songs of the 1960s. Personally, my (career military) grandfather is the only person I have ever met or heard of who cheerily told me in 2011 that he actually quite enjoyed his time in Vietnam flying bombers, which gave me a bit of a shock; my other grandfather, I don't know, because the man has pretty well never talked about anything that I can see. Both of my parents were born in '66, which sort of precludes any memories of their own for the Civil Rights era. They each turned 50 last year. These wellsprings of generational movement towards doing the right thing and remembering America's honor... they're more than a bit long in the tooth, now.

I always wonder about my demographics relative to the rest of the little boom of Millennials I'm part of; my birth year of 1990 put me right at the peak for that. How many other young people like me have any family connection to these moral movements? How many of us feel adrift and lost?
posted by sciatrix at 9:01 AM on February 7 [6 favorites]


One of the big obstacles to generating approval for Obamacare is that it really only directly affects about 7% of the population and many of those are low income

Eh, I think the elements of Obamacare that are hugely helpful for people who are not on Obamacare are worth pointing out: the prohibition against using pre-existing conditions to deny coverage; the ability of parents to keep kids on their plan until they're 26; and the ability to get free birth control.

I'm not on Obamacare, but I saved $1000 when I got an IUD a year ago -- even though it was for reasons other than birth control.

If people know that Obamacare is what keeps them insurable because they had depression or cancer or asthma or whatever once fifteen years ago, that makes an enormous difference in how they think about the law. The problem is that they don't know, or are among the relatively small group of people whose premiums increased a lot (mostly because their original plan didn't meet the standards).
posted by suelac at 9:01 AM on February 7 [24 favorites]


Coal, oil and tobacco made Beattyville a boom town in the 1800s and much of the 1900s.

Those aint coming back. It's a fight I see here in my rural western county. The local pols love the oil jobs, but every 10 years or so, the oil price craters and the economy is decimated. The extraction industry is only viable when the price is high. Once demand diminishes, or supply increases - those jobs go away. The local jobs, that is. I can assure you that the execs in the main office in Dallas or Dubai still collect paychecks.

Meanwhile, the outdoor industry is booming, bringing jobs and opportunities for small businesses (bike shops, outfitters, breweries, pizza places) and my county commissioner says "we need real jobs and real businesses".

Look at Moab, UT at the height of the oil and mining industry, and look at it today. Extraction jobs make a CEO in some other place rich. Outdoor jobs make a local resident rich. Why so stupid, conservatives ?
posted by Pogo_Fuzzybutt at 9:02 AM on February 7 [27 favorites]


He said that in front of the cameras

Jesus fuck, the cackling. The fucking cackling.
posted by uncleozzy at 9:02 AM on February 7 [11 favorites]


AARP makes more money from selling Medigap plans than membership fees. They have a vested interest in keeping things broken.
posted by RobotVoodooPower at 9:03 AM on February 7 [10 favorites]




Labor Secretary nominee Andrew Puzder acknowledged Tuesday that he had employed an undocumented worker as a housekeeper.

"We have fully paid back taxes to the IRS and the State of California."

This implies that he illegally failed to pay payroll taxes, including his contribution to Social Security. That's wage theft.

This is the guy they want for Labor Secretary? Well, of course.
posted by JackFlash at 9:08 AM on February 7 [24 favorites]


Trump offers to `destroy' a Texas senator to help Rockwall sheriff : At a meeting this morning with sheriffs from around the country, Sheriff Harold Eavenson complained about a state senator for getting in the way of some measures he felt would be helpful.

While Trump saying he'll destroy a senator's career is indeed creepy, the really really evil thing here is the sheriff, who is literally complaining that this senator's new law prevents the police from stealing from innocent people. This is the sheriff's grievance - that those he's supposedly protecting and serving are now able to keep their property unless they're convicted of a crime. Sheriff Eavenson is mad because a lawmaker had the temerity to suggest the police stop stealing from people.
posted by Greg Nog at 9:08 AM on February 7 [85 favorites]


Even though it looks like DeVos will squeak through, it may be useful for us to fax Chuck Schumer and tell him how great it has been to see the Democratic Senate caucus present a united front against DeVos. Schumer isn't my favorite, but I think he needs to see how much left-leaning people all over the country are heartened by the Dems not rolling over.

Talking points:

* Excellent and energizing to see the Democratic caucus fully united against a supremely unqualified cabinet nominee.
* Every day of delays and obstruction is one more day of conserving what is left of our country's institutions.
* Keep obstructing and we'll keep giving you the cover to do it.
posted by Excommunicated Cardinal at 9:08 AM on February 7 [25 favorites]


WH official: We'll say 'fake news' until media realizes attitude of attacking the President is wrong

the beatings/fascism will continue until morale improves
posted by Rust Moranis at 9:08 AM on February 7 [55 favorites]


NYT tool updates the votes live and shows clearly who is voting how.
posted by prefpara at 9:13 AM on February 7 [13 favorites]


Thanks prefpara. That's a heckuva lot easier to follow. :p
posted by slipthought at 9:15 AM on February 7


It's also updating faster than the C-SPAN feed is coming through for me.
posted by TwoWordReview at 9:15 AM on February 7


NYT tool updates the votes live and shows clearly who is voting how.

Oof, watching that just sent my anxiety through the roof.
posted by Existential Dread at 9:15 AM on February 7 [3 favorites]


> NYT tool updates the votes live and shows clearly who is voting how.

Because what I really wanted today is to recapture that feeling I had watching the November election results.
posted by tonycpsu at 9:16 AM on February 7 [19 favorites]


Oof, watching that just sent my anxiety through the roof.
posted by Existential Dread


1. sorry!
2. heh
posted by prefpara at 9:16 AM on February 7 [3 favorites]


I'm probably too far on the purity side, I see that as necessary to counterbalance the "win even if the 'victory' is meaningless because you elected DINO's" side. We saw in 2008 how little "victory" meant if half our team was traitors.

I think it's important to push, particularly in the lead-up to the primaries for 2018 races, for an articulation of what you (or anyone in their respective area) wants to see their local representatives doing. But I also think that getting a conservative leaning Democrat elected in place of a Republican is a victory, full stop, because someone who will vote for even 1/10th of the bills I might want to see is still 1/10th better than nothing -- and looking at how resistant the Republicans in power right now are to voting against even incredibly unqualified cabinet nominations, I think 1/10th is actually quite a bit better than nothing.

There's an uneasy tension between advocating for progressive policies to signal to progressive candidates that they can run and win, and to moderate candidates who get elected that they should govern more progressively than they otherwise might; and yet also accepting that a Democrat I dislike (say, Manchin) is still considerably better to have in office than Republican who I also dislike. I'd had hopes that the NeverTrump movement might coalesce into a semi-responsible internal opposition party, and maybe reasonable Republicans might yet be elected again, but for right now that ship has sailed and I'll take ev