The integrity of the game is at steak
February 21, 2017 9:32 AM Subscribe
In the 84th minute of his team's 0-2 loss to Arsenal yesterday, Sutton United's reserve keeper Wayne Shaw was shown eating a pie on the bench. With all of Sutton's substitutes used and the non-league side happy just to be in the fifth round, it seemed to be, as Shaw would later describe it, "a bit of fun". It wasn't.
Sutton had put aside their sponsors, Green Go Waste Solutions, for a higher-paying sponsorship by News Corp-owned Sun Bets, and the latter was offering 8-1 odds against his eating a pie on-air. Shaw has now resigned under pressure and is now facing an inquiry by the FA and the Gambling Commission under rules designed to prevent match-fixing. Opinion is largely in his favor, with even fervent Arsenal supporter Piers Morgan coming to his defense (warning: link to Piers Moran's twitter).
Sutton had put aside their sponsors, Green Go Waste Solutions, for a higher-paying sponsorship by News Corp-owned Sun Bets, and the latter was offering 8-1 odds against his eating a pie on-air. Shaw has now resigned under pressure and is now facing an inquiry by the FA and the Gambling Commission under rules designed to prevent match-fixing. Opinion is largely in his favor, with even fervent Arsenal supporter Piers Morgan coming to his defense (warning: link to Piers Moran's twitter).
Apparently it wasn't a pie but a pasty.
posted by josher71 at 9:35 AM on February 21, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by josher71 at 9:35 AM on February 21, 2017 [2 favorites]
Was it steak or game in the pie?
posted by GenjiandProust at 9:40 AM on February 21, 2017 [3 favorites]
posted by GenjiandProust at 9:40 AM on February 21, 2017 [3 favorites]
Everyone's favourite Sutton player "followed his dreams to the burger van"
posted by josher71 at 9:41 AM on February 21, 2017
posted by josher71 at 9:41 AM on February 21, 2017
Shaw said he was told about the betting promotion before the game.
Well then what is he supposed to do? Once he knows about the bet he obviously has to either eat a pie during the match or not eat one. Someone is making money either way.
posted by Rock Steady at 9:41 AM on February 21, 2017 [47 favorites]
Well then what is he supposed to do? Once he knows about the bet he obviously has to either eat a pie during the match or not eat one. Someone is making money either way.
posted by Rock Steady at 9:41 AM on February 21, 2017 [47 favorites]
Betting on on-the-field outcomes and these prop bets seem like entirely different things. Luke Bryan knows the over/under on the National Anthem, it'd be really easy for him to hold a couple notes just a bit longer. Gaga and all of her dancers know her outfit weeks ahead of time. These aren't the same kinds of psuedorandom or skilled based outcomes as the game itself, why are they regulated the same way?
posted by T.D. Strange at 9:46 AM on February 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by T.D. Strange at 9:46 AM on February 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
Wait, they let betting firms sponsor sports teams? How does anyone think that's a good idea?
Arsenal's stadium has a betting outpost inside, right next to the food stall. I started to list the number of teams that have been sponsored by betting firms but I've already lost track.
posted by asterix at 9:49 AM on February 21, 2017
Arsenal's stadium has a betting outpost inside, right next to the food stall. I started to list the number of teams that have been sponsored by betting firms but I've already lost track.
posted by asterix at 9:49 AM on February 21, 2017
Stoke City are owned and funded by a betting company called Bet365
And God bless St. Peter for it, too.
posted by josher71 at 9:50 AM on February 21, 2017
And God bless St. Peter for it, too.
posted by josher71 at 9:50 AM on February 21, 2017
Apparently it wasn't a pie but a pasty.
I thought a pasty is a pie? no?
posted by bitdamaged at 9:52 AM on February 21, 2017
I thought a pasty is a pie? no?
posted by bitdamaged at 9:52 AM on February 21, 2017
If you allow bookmakers to take bets on whether a particular person will or won't do something that is entirely within their control, it seems a bit disingenuous to later be outraged when it turns out that person did or did not do the thing.
posted by jacquilynne at 9:54 AM on February 21, 2017 [23 favorites]
posted by jacquilynne at 9:54 AM on February 21, 2017 [23 favorites]
Now you're just trying to start a fight bitdamaged.
posted by biffa at 9:56 AM on February 21, 2017 [23 favorites]
posted by biffa at 9:56 AM on February 21, 2017 [23 favorites]
jacquilynne: "If you allow bookmakers to take bets on whether a particular person will or won't do something that is entirely within their control, it seems a bit disingenuous to later be outraged when it turns out that person did or did not do the thing."
Agreed, at least partially as I have had some lovely pasties in my time.
posted by Samizdata at 9:56 AM on February 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
Agreed, at least partially as I have had some lovely pasties in my time.
posted by Samizdata at 9:56 AM on February 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
If you allow bookmakers to take bets on whether a particular person will or won't do something that is entirely within their control, it seems a bit disingenuous to later be outraged when it turns out that person did or did not do the thing.
I'm not sure I agree. If a golfer knows his friends have money on him missing a putt and he intentionally missed the putt so that they can profit, that seems a little fishy.
posted by josher71 at 10:00 AM on February 21, 2017
I'm not sure I agree. If a golfer knows his friends have money on him missing a putt and he intentionally missed the putt so that they can profit, that seems a little fishy.
posted by josher71 at 10:00 AM on February 21, 2017
Almost every Premier League team and a good proportion of teams in lower leagues run around in shirts emblazoned with betting company logos.
Based on this list, 11 out of 20 EPL clubs have betting companies as their main shirt sponsor, 13 if you include the insurance/financial instruments companies at Spurs & Liverpool.
posted by biffa at 10:00 AM on February 21, 2017 [2 favorites]
Based on this list, 11 out of 20 EPL clubs have betting companies as their main shirt sponsor, 13 if you include the insurance/financial instruments companies at Spurs & Liverpool.
posted by biffa at 10:00 AM on February 21, 2017 [2 favorites]
Pre-match interview with Sutton United's "Roly Poly Goalie" Wayne Shaw (YT)
posted by Mister Bijou at 10:06 AM on February 21, 2017
posted by Mister Bijou at 10:06 AM on February 21, 2017
I'm not sure I agree. If a golfer knows his friends have money on him missing a putt and he intentionally missed the putt so that they can profit, that seems a little fishy.
Allowing single-shot outcome betting in golf is a bad idea. At least with that, though, the player has an incentive to do his best on the putt -- missing the putt might affect his own placement in the tournament.
posted by jacquilynne at 10:07 AM on February 21, 2017
Allowing single-shot outcome betting in golf is a bad idea. At least with that, though, the player has an incentive to do his best on the putt -- missing the putt might affect his own placement in the tournament.
posted by jacquilynne at 10:07 AM on February 21, 2017
I'm not sure I agree. If a golfer knows his friends have money on him missing a putt and he intentionally missed the putt so that they can profit, that seems a little fishy.
That's a whole different animal. The function of a professional athlete is to perform at peak ability, if not to succeed then at least to make a sincere effort to succeed. If an athlete deliberately underperforms in order to influence betting outcomes, like the 1919 Black Sox scandal, or a boxer who takes a fall, they deserve punishment for sacrificing their own performance for money. By contrast, literally no part of Shaw's performance or record is affected by whether or not he eats a pie. The solution to this is not to penalize Shaw for eating a pie, but to forbid betting houses from placing bets on things that aren't part of the sporting event.
posted by Faint of Butt at 10:11 AM on February 21, 2017 [8 favorites]
That's a whole different animal. The function of a professional athlete is to perform at peak ability, if not to succeed then at least to make a sincere effort to succeed. If an athlete deliberately underperforms in order to influence betting outcomes, like the 1919 Black Sox scandal, or a boxer who takes a fall, they deserve punishment for sacrificing their own performance for money. By contrast, literally no part of Shaw's performance or record is affected by whether or not he eats a pie. The solution to this is not to penalize Shaw for eating a pie, but to forbid betting houses from placing bets on things that aren't part of the sporting event.
posted by Faint of Butt at 10:11 AM on February 21, 2017 [8 favorites]
If he didn't benefit himself then I think it's just handed Betting Company a nice big dollop of publicity which is the point of these stunt bets. They should pay him directly.
posted by fullerine at 10:13 AM on February 21, 2017
posted by fullerine at 10:13 AM on February 21, 2017
Once he knows about the bet he obviously has to either eat a pie during the match or not eat one. Someone is making money either way.
If I had been put in his position, I would have eaten a quiche.
posted by Kabanos at 10:14 AM on February 21, 2017 [2 favorites]
If I had been put in his position, I would have eaten a quiche.
posted by Kabanos at 10:14 AM on February 21, 2017 [2 favorites]
Is a pie a sandwich?
posted by etherist at 10:44 AM on February 21, 2017 [4 favorites]
posted by etherist at 10:44 AM on February 21, 2017 [4 favorites]
I also think a bet on something like this is very different than a bet on who wins, scores or anything else about how the game is played. If people want to bet on things outside the game itself that is up to them but I fail to see why the FA need to get involved. I'd say that is the case even if he knew of the bet and made money off it.
posted by any portmanteau in a storm at 10:47 AM on February 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by any portmanteau in a storm at 10:47 AM on February 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
I hope Shaw was careful. If that pie's probably been in the warming drawer for about 12 hours it'll be thermonuclear. You must always blow on the pie.
posted by Zedcaster at 10:51 AM on February 21, 2017 [3 favorites]
posted by Zedcaster at 10:51 AM on February 21, 2017 [3 favorites]
If a golfer knows his friends have money on him missing a putt and he intentionally missed the putt so that they can profit, that seems a little fishy.
Believe it or not, golf has a rule that basically says, "It is against the rules to break the spirit of the rules of golf, especially if you are doing it because of gambling" (rules of amateur status, 7.2). Intentionally missing a putt would be manipulation of handicap which is called out as being against the policy which generally allows friendly gambling that does not otherwise break the rules.
posted by muddgirl at 11:25 AM on February 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
Believe it or not, golf has a rule that basically says, "It is against the rules to break the spirit of the rules of golf, especially if you are doing it because of gambling" (rules of amateur status, 7.2). Intentionally missing a putt would be manipulation of handicap which is called out as being against the policy which generally allows friendly gambling that does not otherwise break the rules.
posted by muddgirl at 11:25 AM on February 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
I thought it was only a pasty if it was made in Cornwall?
posted by Big Al 8000 at 11:26 AM on February 21, 2017
posted by Big Al 8000 at 11:26 AM on February 21, 2017
(TL;DR - intentionally missing a putt so that your friend wins a bet is not just fishy, it's against the rules)
posted by muddgirl at 11:26 AM on February 21, 2017
posted by muddgirl at 11:26 AM on February 21, 2017
I thought it was only a pasty if it was made in Cornwall?
No, it's only a Cornish pasty if it's made in Cornwall. If not, you can call it something like a 'traditional pasty' (which is how the cafeteria at the massive law firm I used to work for rebranded after the EU ruling on Cornish pasties).
Based on this list, 11 out of 20 EPL clubs have betting companies as their main shirt sponsor,
This has absolutely blown my mind. I would have guessed two or three (and that would be including Wonga at Newcastle who aren't even in the PL).
posted by Pink Frost at 11:31 AM on February 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
No, it's only a Cornish pasty if it's made in Cornwall. If not, you can call it something like a 'traditional pasty' (which is how the cafeteria at the massive law firm I used to work for rebranded after the EU ruling on Cornish pasties).
Based on this list, 11 out of 20 EPL clubs have betting companies as their main shirt sponsor,
This has absolutely blown my mind. I would have guessed two or three (and that would be including Wonga at Newcastle who aren't even in the PL).
posted by Pink Frost at 11:31 AM on February 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
No, it's only a Cornish pasty if it's made in Cornwall. If not, you can call it something like a 'traditional pasty'
"Cornish style pasty" is pretty common too.
And pasties are not pies, much like slices.
posted by Dysk at 12:52 PM on February 21, 2017
"Cornish style pasty" is pretty common too.
And pasties are not pies, much like slices.
posted by Dysk at 12:52 PM on February 21, 2017
which is how the cafeteria at the massive law firm I used to work for rebranded after the EU ruling on Cornish pasties
Interestingly, once the UK exits the EU then all those named products may well no longer be off limits here, so anyone may well be able to flog Champagne, Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies, etc.
posted by biffa at 12:57 PM on February 21, 2017
Interestingly, once the UK exits the EU then all those named products may well no longer be off limits here, so anyone may well be able to flog Champagne, Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies, etc.
posted by biffa at 12:57 PM on February 21, 2017
I thought it was only a pasty if it was made in Cornwall?
Here is another type of pasty: the Devon pasty. Obviously as any right thinking person knows, it is a pale shadow of the Cornish pasty.
posted by biffa at 1:16 PM on February 21, 2017
Here is another type of pasty: the Devon pasty. Obviously as any right thinking person knows, it is a pale shadow of the Cornish pasty.
posted by biffa at 1:16 PM on February 21, 2017
Yeah, if I, as a pro athlete, had a non-job related thing I was in control of and people were betting on, I'd totally manipulate it.
Want to bet on the color of my shirt as I walk into the arena? I'll tell my friends ahead of time.
etc.
etc.
Gambling companies exist to take money from people. I'd have absolutely no qualms whatsoever about taking them for all they're worth.
posted by oddman at 1:45 PM on February 21, 2017
Want to bet on the color of my shirt as I walk into the arena? I'll tell my friends ahead of time.
etc.
etc.
Gambling companies exist to take money from people. I'd have absolutely no qualms whatsoever about taking them for all they're worth.
posted by oddman at 1:45 PM on February 21, 2017
Its also worth noting that the bets were being taken by the company which was sponsoring his team for that game. So not eating the pie and allowing them to take the money from the bets would also have been difficult to defend ethically. This was the Kobeayashi Maru of sport-related pie-eating gambling stunts.
posted by biffa at 2:11 PM on February 21, 2017 [17 favorites]
posted by biffa at 2:11 PM on February 21, 2017 [17 favorites]
Did the inevitable
WHO ATE ALL THE PIES
WHO ATE ALL THE PIES
YOU FAT BASTARD
YOU FAT BASTARD
YOU ATE ALL THE PIES
chant follow?
posted by delfin at 2:44 PM on February 21, 2017 [2 favorites]
WHO ATE ALL THE PIES
WHO ATE ALL THE PIES
YOU FAT BASTARD
YOU FAT BASTARD
YOU ATE ALL THE PIES
chant follow?
posted by delfin at 2:44 PM on February 21, 2017 [2 favorites]
This was the Kobeayashi Maru of sport-related pie-eating gambling stunts.
In that light, eating a pasty and letting everybody argue about whether or not it's really a pie may have been the most sensible way out?
posted by Shmuel510 at 3:17 PM on February 21, 2017 [2 favorites]
In that light, eating a pasty and letting everybody argue about whether or not it's really a pie may have been the most sensible way out?
posted by Shmuel510 at 3:17 PM on February 21, 2017 [2 favorites]
So that makes Wayne Shaw the Captain Kirk of sport-related pie-eating gambling stunt Kobayashi Maru equivalents. Though now he needs the third act redemption of the Kelvin universe as he is currently out of Sutton United/Starfleet.
posted by biffa at 3:27 PM on February 21, 2017
posted by biffa at 3:27 PM on February 21, 2017
No, it's only a Cornish pasty if it's made in Cornwall.
that's not what they say in the u p
posted by pyramid termite at 4:12 PM on February 21, 2017
that's not what they say in the u p
posted by pyramid termite at 4:12 PM on February 21, 2017
So, had he eaten pizza, would that have counted as pie? Substitute pizza for Chicago deep-dish, how about now?
posted by Ghidorah at 4:41 PM on February 21, 2017
posted by Ghidorah at 4:41 PM on February 21, 2017
No, because no-one in the UK would ever consider a pizza to be a pie, because they are not even remotely similar.
posted by biffa at 4:46 PM on February 21, 2017 [4 favorites]
posted by biffa at 4:46 PM on February 21, 2017 [4 favorites]
Nevermind the pastry top discussion, there isn't any pastry involved in pizza at all. If pizza is a pie, then it's very hard to make an argument for a topped focaccia not being a pie and you very quickly end up with the madness of admitting that all but the plainest bread is fundamentally pie.
posted by Dysk at 5:13 PM on February 21, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by Dysk at 5:13 PM on February 21, 2017 [2 favorites]
If that pie's probably been in the warming drawer for about 12 hours it'll be thermonuclear. You must always blow on the pie.
Safer communities together!
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 5:20 PM on February 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
Safer communities together!
posted by TheWhiteSkull at 5:20 PM on February 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
I have zero interest in football, but huge interest in pies (and pasties), so the current trajectory of this thread is very pleasing to me.
posted by destrius at 5:42 PM on February 21, 2017
posted by destrius at 5:42 PM on February 21, 2017
Nevermind the pastry top discussion, there isn't any pastry involved in pizza at all
Tell that to Chicago, home of the deep-dish pizza pie.
posted by Big Al 8000 at 6:10 PM on February 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
Tell that to Chicago, home of the deep-dish pizza pie.
posted by Big Al 8000 at 6:10 PM on February 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
> that's not what they say in the u p
posted by pyramid termite at 4:12 PM on February 21
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yes but basically no one not from the u p can decrypt the u p accent.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 6:33 PM on February 21, 2017
posted by pyramid termite at 4:12 PM on February 21
[+] [!]
yes but basically no one not from the u p can decrypt the u p accent.
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 6:33 PM on February 21, 2017
I'm looking at the Wikipedia article on Chicago style pizza, and it says right there in the infobox: "main ingredients: pizza dough, tomato sauce". Not "pastry dough" or even "pie dough". Nothing in the article suggests that anything about the dough makes it more similar to pastry dough than any other pizza (offering only the addition of semolina as a common difference from other pizza styles). It's fundamentally a bread dough, which makes it categorically not a pie, however much you try to tart it up (pun very much intended).
posted by Dysk at 6:35 PM on February 21, 2017
posted by Dysk at 6:35 PM on February 21, 2017
There are many pies that are not covered with a layer of dough (pie or otherwise). Some pies are simply situated on top of crumbled graham crackers, or crushed oreos, or something similar. Couldn't an argument be made that the basic platonic definition of pie be more focused on a depth of filling and a raised edge of crust? And is that not the standard concept of a deep dish pizza?
And in this moment, seeing the pleas to wikipedia and the derail, I finally understand the rush generated by trolling, and it is terrifying.
posted by Ghidorah at 6:48 PM on February 21, 2017 [2 favorites]
And in this moment, seeing the pleas to wikipedia and the derail, I finally understand the rush generated by trolling, and it is terrifying.
posted by Ghidorah at 6:48 PM on February 21, 2017 [2 favorites]
I'm looking at the Wikipedia article on Chicago style pizza
... and that's where you lost the argument.
Wikipedia is good for many things but you gotta recognize its limits. Like, being able to give you a piece of Chicago-style pizza, for example. Chicago-style deep dish crust has more in common with an apple pie crust than it does with a New York-style thin crust, for example.
posted by Big Al 8000 at 6:51 PM on February 21, 2017
... and that's where you lost the argument.
Wikipedia is good for many things but you gotta recognize its limits. Like, being able to give you a piece of Chicago-style pizza, for example. Chicago-style deep dish crust has more in common with an apple pie crust than it does with a New York-style thin crust, for example.
posted by Big Al 8000 at 6:51 PM on February 21, 2017
Some pies are simply situated on top of crumbled graham crackers, or crushed oreos, or something similar.
...none of which are bread, or remotely similar to bread.
Chicago-style deep dish crust has more in common with an apple pie crust than it does with a New York-style thin crust,
Does it have yeast in it? Doughs containing yeast and pie doughs are mutually exclusive sets.
posted by Dysk at 7:01 PM on February 21, 2017
...none of which are bread, or remotely similar to bread.
Chicago-style deep dish crust has more in common with an apple pie crust than it does with a New York-style thin crust,
Does it have yeast in it? Doughs containing yeast and pie doughs are mutually exclusive sets.
posted by Dysk at 7:01 PM on February 21, 2017
I'm pretty sure I've had a sourdough pie crust before actually. And not to go all Ben Wyatt, but isn't a calzone basically a pizza pasty? That's a yeasted dough.
posted by Carillon at 8:03 PM on February 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by Carillon at 8:03 PM on February 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
I would say Chicago style pizza is in fact only a pie, and not pizza, and a pasty is too a pie, as are slices.
posted by Jon Mitchell at 8:39 PM on February 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by Jon Mitchell at 8:39 PM on February 21, 2017 [1 favorite]
It sounds to me that the thing that got him in serious trouble was admitting that he knew beforehand that some of his friends had wagered on him eating a pie. That he then intentionally manipulated the results open him to charges of collusion.
There are people that bet on the length of time that the National Anthem is going to take at the Super Bowl. If Luke Bryan had held the last note while looking at his watch, you can bet the IRS and Nevada Gaming Commision would have been all over that.
posted by dances with hamsters at 9:24 PM on February 21, 2017
There are people that bet on the length of time that the National Anthem is going to take at the Super Bowl. If Luke Bryan had held the last note while looking at his watch, you can bet the IRS and Nevada Gaming Commision would have been all over that.
posted by dances with hamsters at 9:24 PM on February 21, 2017
Some pies are simply situated on top of crumbled graham crackers, or crushed oreos, or something similar.
They don't sound much like pies either.
posted by biffa at 1:25 AM on February 22, 2017 [2 favorites]
They don't sound much like pies either.
posted by biffa at 1:25 AM on February 22, 2017 [2 favorites]
It sounds to me that the thing that got him in serious trouble was admitting that he knew beforehand that some of his friends had wagered on him eating a pie. That he then intentionally manipulated the results open him to charges of collusion.
Yeah, but at the same time, as soon as he heard about the nature of the bet, he was also hearing that the sponsor of his team was taking a position. So he was conflicted either way.
posted by biffa at 1:26 AM on February 22, 2017 [2 favorites]
Yeah, but at the same time, as soon as he heard about the nature of the bet, he was also hearing that the sponsor of his team was taking a position. So he was conflicted either way.
posted by biffa at 1:26 AM on February 22, 2017 [2 favorites]
The front page of today's Sun newspaper (I refuse to link to News Corp sites - especially that one, which is behind this whole thing) is screaming that the investigation into the incident is 'OTT' and that those stuffed shirts at the FA are spoiling everyone's fun by pointing out the utterly corrupting nature of this puerile stunt. Meanwhile, many fans and players face the struggle of dealing with gambling addiction and the havoc this wreaks on themselves, their friends and their families. Some of their stories are printed in the Sun newspaper.
posted by Myeral at 1:30 AM on February 22, 2017
posted by Myeral at 1:30 AM on February 22, 2017
They don't sound much like pies either
Says a person who's clearly never had Oreo cream pie, which was almost single handedly responsible for ten of my freshman fifteen.
posted by Ghidorah at 2:11 AM on February 22, 2017
Says a person who's clearly never had Oreo cream pie, which was almost single handedly responsible for ten of my freshman fifteen.
posted by Ghidorah at 2:11 AM on February 22, 2017
Na, that usage of 'pie' is particular peculiar to the US alone, not applicable to anything in Sutton in any way at all.
posted by glasseyes at 2:22 AM on February 22, 2017
posted by glasseyes at 2:22 AM on February 22, 2017
And now I'm off to Greggs to get a pasty for breakfast.
I blame you, Metafilter.
posted by glasseyes at 2:24 AM on February 22, 2017 [1 favorite]
I blame you, Metafilter.
posted by glasseyes at 2:24 AM on February 22, 2017 [1 favorite]
Oh. My.
Greggs beef and vegetable pasty.
Maybe not.
It's not as if they're filling.
posted by glasseyes at 2:41 AM on February 22, 2017
Greggs beef and vegetable pasty.
Maybe not.
It's not as if they're filling.
posted by glasseyes at 2:41 AM on February 22, 2017
If pizza is a pie, then it's very hard to make an argument for a topped focaccia not being a pie and you very quickly end up with the madness of admitting that all but the plainest bread is fundamentally pie.
Any serious theory of Pienomics would have to admit bread as the Trivial Pie.
posted by Dr Dracator at 3:49 AM on February 22, 2017
Any serious theory of Pienomics would have to admit bread as the Trivial Pie.
posted by Dr Dracator at 3:49 AM on February 22, 2017
it seems a bit disingenuous to later be outraged when it turns out that person did or did not do the thing."
Agreed, at least partially as I have had some lovely pasties in my time.
Also agreed. My husband knows to hide the pasties at the very back of the freezer, for fear of my nommage. If I were sitting on the side of a match, nothing to do, and someone in my vicinity had a pie, there would be no point in betting on whether I would snatch it from his hands and devour it like a Goya painting, because by the time you made your wager I would be covered in crumbs and gravy, burping contentedly.
posted by chainsofreedom at 4:24 AM on February 22, 2017 [3 favorites]
Agreed, at least partially as I have had some lovely pasties in my time.
Also agreed. My husband knows to hide the pasties at the very back of the freezer, for fear of my nommage. If I were sitting on the side of a match, nothing to do, and someone in my vicinity had a pie, there would be no point in betting on whether I would snatch it from his hands and devour it like a Goya painting, because by the time you made your wager I would be covered in crumbs and gravy, burping contentedly.
posted by chainsofreedom at 4:24 AM on February 22, 2017 [3 favorites]
I'm pretty sure I've had a sourdough pie crust before actually. And not to go all Ben Wyatt, but isn't a calzone basically a pizza pasty? That's a yeasted dough.
Perhaps. But that's irrelevant, as pasties aren't pies.
posted by Dysk at 4:31 AM on February 22, 2017 [2 favorites]
Perhaps. But that's irrelevant, as pasties aren't pies.
posted by Dysk at 4:31 AM on February 22, 2017 [2 favorites]
So, sorry to off topic the off topic here (if that makes any sense), but what about the cameraman? I mean "eating a pie on-air" means he needed to be on television, right? And while I know that the cameras often film the bench, it seems fairly peculiar that in the what, 20 seconds it takes to scarf a pie, the camera happened to be covering him.
Anyway, it is all pie. Cheesecake is a pie, pizza is a pie, soup in a breadbowl is a pie, ice cream sandwiches are pies, Eskimo pies, chocolate pies, pie in the sky, pie-eyed...
posted by Literaryhero at 7:24 AM on February 22, 2017 [2 favorites]
Anyway, it is all pie. Cheesecake is a pie, pizza is a pie, soup in a breadbowl is a pie, ice cream sandwiches are pies, Eskimo pies, chocolate pies, pie in the sky, pie-eyed...
posted by Literaryhero at 7:24 AM on February 22, 2017 [2 favorites]
Surely some of those are sandwiches. Like cheesecake. That is clearly an open-faced sandwich (crust is pre-cooked).
posted by muddgirl at 7:40 AM on February 22, 2017
posted by muddgirl at 7:40 AM on February 22, 2017
I mean "eating a pie on-air" means he needed to be on television, right?
As the BBC football commentator said: "Never come between a big man and his pie" (YT)
posted by Mister Bijou at 8:02 AM on February 22, 2017
As the BBC football commentator said: "Never come between a big man and his pie" (YT)
posted by Mister Bijou at 8:02 AM on February 22, 2017
No, they're to be considered a pasty.
posted by biffa at 9:58 AM on February 22, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by biffa at 9:58 AM on February 22, 2017 [1 favorite]
Some pies are simply situated on top of crumbled graham crackers, or crushed oreos, or something similar.
This is terribly embarrassing for you, but you have misspelt "tart" as p-i-e.
posted by tinkletown at 12:57 PM on February 22, 2017 [3 favorites]
This is terribly embarrassing for you, but you have misspelt "tart" as p-i-e.
posted by tinkletown at 12:57 PM on February 22, 2017 [3 favorites]
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