"Breathe. Just Breathe."
April 14, 2017 9:09 AM Subscribe
Did you see how Poe was running to save Finn and wake him up from his slumber Cinderella style? It's going down.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 9:15 AM on April 14, 2017 [16 favorites]
posted by MCMikeNamara at 9:15 AM on April 14, 2017 [16 favorites]
Also, this teaser poster is amazing!
posted by crossoverman at 9:15 AM on April 14, 2017 [9 favorites]
posted by crossoverman at 9:15 AM on April 14, 2017 [9 favorites]
Did anyone else paradoxically hold their breath through the whole thing? It was like the opposite of the Jedi mind trick.
Don't breathe. Just... don't breathe.
posted by adept256 at 9:20 AM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
Don't breathe. Just... don't breathe.
posted by adept256 at 9:20 AM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
I already stopped a work meeting to run down the hall showing the trailer to my fellow nerds. I love the tech sector!
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 9:21 AM on April 14, 2017 [7 favorites]
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 9:21 AM on April 14, 2017 [7 favorites]
Wait... "end"???? LUKE! EXPLAIN YOURSELF!
posted by dnash at 9:21 AM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by dnash at 9:21 AM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
Also at about 0:49, there's the silhouette of a woman with what appears to be the side-buns. I think I remember Disney saying there wouldn't be a cgi-Leia so, y'know, I'm not holding my breath.
posted by adept256 at 9:25 AM on April 14, 2017
posted by adept256 at 9:25 AM on April 14, 2017
The moment of dread at 0:46 that Star Wars is going to start using pan pipes a lot, like my doctors waiting room does incessantly on a loop while I'm waiting ages for a blood pressure test then they wonder why the readings are so high, but as there's no further rendition of these sounds think we may just have gotten away with it.
posted by Wordshore at 9:25 AM on April 14, 2017
posted by Wordshore at 9:25 AM on April 14, 2017
Also, this teaser poster is amazing!
I know I probably don't have to explain this to this crowd, but the way that this poster references the classic poster with Luke in a similar pose, splitting Vader's head (and now with a woman as the Jedi rather than weirdly posing at her brother's leg) is SO MUCH GOOD.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 9:25 AM on April 14, 2017 [7 favorites]
I know I probably don't have to explain this to this crowd, but the way that this poster references the classic poster with Luke in a similar pose, splitting Vader's head (and now with a woman as the Jedi rather than weirdly posing at her brother's leg) is SO MUCH GOOD.
posted by MCMikeNamara at 9:25 AM on April 14, 2017 [7 favorites]
I miss Daisy Ridley's Instagram. I remember noticing that she'd occasionally go to one of her follower's profiles -- seemingly any random follower -- and comment on a selfie to tell them they're pretty.
posted by incomple at 9:27 AM on April 14, 2017 [21 favorites]
posted by incomple at 9:27 AM on April 14, 2017 [21 favorites]
Actually on second look it looks like the back of Darth Emo's helmet. sorry.
posted by adept256 at 9:27 AM on April 14, 2017
posted by adept256 at 9:27 AM on April 14, 2017
That music at the end -- Daaaaaaaamn John Williams!
posted by Catblack at 9:28 AM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by Catblack at 9:28 AM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
"Also at about 0:49, there's the silhouette of a woman with what appears to be the side-buns. I think I remember Disney saying there wouldn't be a cgi-Leia so, y'know, I'm not holding my breath."
They finished filming all of Carrie Fisher's scenes before she passed away.
posted by jonathanhughes at 9:28 AM on April 14, 2017 [19 favorites]
They finished filming all of Carrie Fisher's scenes before she passed away.
posted by jonathanhughes at 9:28 AM on April 14, 2017 [19 favorites]
What's Luke up to? Well, like everyone else next Christmas, dealing with family bullshit.
posted by Muddler at 9:28 AM on April 14, 2017 [33 favorites]
posted by Muddler at 9:28 AM on April 14, 2017 [33 favorites]
Also, this teaser poster is amazing!
That teaser poster looks fantastically like my MeFi avatar!
I really had that doo, you know. For a week.
posted by alex_skazat at 9:30 AM on April 14, 2017
That teaser poster looks fantastically like my MeFi avatar!
I really had that doo, you know. For a week.
posted by alex_skazat at 9:30 AM on April 14, 2017
Wait... "end"???? LUKE! EXPLAIN YOURSELF!
I think he had time to realise how much the Jedi Order thing kinda sucks and the universe would probably be better off without people who think they're smarter and should be above everyone else because they can pour a drink without touching the bottle.
posted by lmfsilva at 9:37 AM on April 14, 2017 [26 favorites]
I think he had time to realise how much the Jedi Order thing kinda sucks and the universe would probably be better off without people who think they're smarter and should be above everyone else because they can pour a drink without touching the bottle.
posted by lmfsilva at 9:37 AM on April 14, 2017 [26 favorites]
They finished filming all of Carrie Fisher's scenes before she passed away.
So yes, she's in Episode VIII, and they recently announced that she will be in Episode IX, though it's not entirely clear just how.
The only hint is that the family has given their permission to use "recent footage," which sounds like they've reworked the storylines for both movies to allow some of her Episode VIII scenes to be used in Episode IX, though I guess it could be something else. Like maybe they're not CGI-ing Fisher herself, but putting actual footage of her into other settings that they're CGI-ing around her. Not really clear at this point.
posted by Naberius at 9:44 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
So yes, she's in Episode VIII, and they recently announced that she will be in Episode IX, though it's not entirely clear just how.
The only hint is that the family has given their permission to use "recent footage," which sounds like they've reworked the storylines for both movies to allow some of her Episode VIII scenes to be used in Episode IX, though I guess it could be something else. Like maybe they're not CGI-ing Fisher herself, but putting actual footage of her into other settings that they're CGI-ing around her. Not really clear at this point.
posted by Naberius at 9:44 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
The Empire Strikes Back Again At The Last Jedi, Who Has Returned, And Also Yoda Is Now Played By Luke Skywalker
posted by grumpybear69 at 9:45 AM on April 14, 2017 [8 favorites]
posted by grumpybear69 at 9:45 AM on April 14, 2017 [8 favorites]
At the 1:00 mark there's a brief shot of a strange land formation that makes me think of the planet Atollon. Do any other Rebels fans agree?
posted by The Nutmeg of Consolation at 9:45 AM on April 14, 2017
posted by The Nutmeg of Consolation at 9:45 AM on April 14, 2017
the universe would probably be better off without people who think they're smarter and should be above everyone else because they can pour a drink without touching the bottle
When I was a teenager and first confronted with the dismaying and unexpected terror of trying to undo a seemingly impossible bra fastener without ruining the moment (I struggled and failed and she was unimpressed) I would have given anything to have possessed Jedi powers.
posted by Wordshore at 9:48 AM on April 14, 2017 [6 favorites]
When I was a teenager and first confronted with the dismaying and unexpected terror of trying to undo a seemingly impossible bra fastener without ruining the moment (I struggled and failed and she was unimpressed) I would have given anything to have possessed Jedi powers.
posted by Wordshore at 9:48 AM on April 14, 2017 [6 favorites]
Dude, you will remove your bra now is pretty dark side.
posted by adept256 at 9:52 AM on April 14, 2017 [20 favorites]
posted by adept256 at 9:52 AM on April 14, 2017 [20 favorites]
Wait... "end"???? LUKE! EXPLAIN YOURSELF!
I mean, the Jedi were kind of awful even when there were a lot of them, for the last 50 years or so there have been no more than 2 actual Jedi at any one time, and the training process seemingly not only has a high burnout rate but also a distressing likelihood that any given burnout will become second in command of a fascist dictatorship with weapons that can kill billions in an instant. It does kind of feel like the whole Jedi thing isn't really working anymore.
posted by Copronymus at 9:53 AM on April 14, 2017 [53 favorites]
I mean, the Jedi were kind of awful even when there were a lot of them, for the last 50 years or so there have been no more than 2 actual Jedi at any one time, and the training process seemingly not only has a high burnout rate but also a distressing likelihood that any given burnout will become second in command of a fascist dictatorship with weapons that can kill billions in an instant. It does kind of feel like the whole Jedi thing isn't really working anymore.
posted by Copronymus at 9:53 AM on April 14, 2017 [53 favorites]
Carrie Fisher finished filming for Episode VIII before she died; the open question has been what her death means for Episode IX, and that's what the 'no CGI' was in reference to.But nobody said that couldn't cast her role with a Frank Oz puppet.
posted by billjings at 9:54 AM on April 14, 2017 [6 favorites]
Dude, you will remove your bra now is pretty dark side.
There's a movie about that. It is called Zapped! and it is about as awful as you might expect.
Unironically, it stars Scott Baio.
posted by grumpybear69 at 9:54 AM on April 14, 2017 [11 favorites]
There's a movie about that. It is called Zapped! and it is about as awful as you might expect.
Unironically, it stars Scott Baio.
posted by grumpybear69 at 9:54 AM on April 14, 2017 [11 favorites]
I think he had time to realise how much the Jedi Order thing kinda sucks and the universe would probably be better off without people who think they're smarter and should be above everyone else because they can pour a drink without touching the bottle.
After seeing how badly the Jedi Order botched literally the ONE TIME in a THOUSAND YEARS that their special skills were needed to stop the Sith, I can see there being a very clear argument in favor of Reform Jediism.
posted by Strange Interlude at 9:54 AM on April 14, 2017 [31 favorites]
After seeing how badly the Jedi Order botched literally the ONE TIME in a THOUSAND YEARS that their special skills were needed to stop the Sith, I can see there being a very clear argument in favor of Reform Jediism.
posted by Strange Interlude at 9:54 AM on April 14, 2017 [31 favorites]
When I was a teenager and first confronted with the dismaying and unexpected terror of trying to undo a seemingly impossible bra fastener without ruining the moment (I struggled and failed and she was unimpressed) I would have given anything to have possessed Jedi powers.
These are not the boobs you're looking for....::handwave::
posted by briank at 9:55 AM on April 14, 2017 [5 favorites]
These are not the boobs you're looking for....::handwave::
posted by briank at 9:55 AM on April 14, 2017 [5 favorites]
Dude, you will remove your bra now is pretty dark side.
There's a movie about that. It is called Zapped! yt and it is about as awful as you might expect.
Unironically, it stars Scott Baio.
I prefer the original screenplay by Patrick Stewart.
posted by Strange Interlude at 9:56 AM on April 14, 2017 [20 favorites]
There's a movie about that. It is called Zapped! yt and it is about as awful as you might expect.
Unironically, it stars Scott Baio.
I prefer the original screenplay by Patrick Stewart.
posted by Strange Interlude at 9:56 AM on April 14, 2017 [20 favorites]
I am still upset about jerks on the Internet running Daisy Ridley off Instagram. I loved her account.
posted by sutel at 9:58 AM on April 14, 2017 [10 favorites]
posted by sutel at 9:58 AM on April 14, 2017 [10 favorites]
I am of the opinion that the one intended to restore balance to the force (Luke? Rey?) will realize that balance requires both sides - not light triumphing over dark. Without dark, there is no light - without light, there is no dark.
The Jedi tried to conquer evil by only using the light. It didn't end well.
posted by caution live frogs at 10:03 AM on April 14, 2017 [9 favorites]
The Jedi tried to conquer evil by only using the light. It didn't end well.
posted by caution live frogs at 10:03 AM on April 14, 2017 [9 favorites]
grumpybear69: "Unironically, it stars Scott Baio."
And Willie Aames!
posted by Chrysostom at 10:08 AM on April 14, 2017
And Willie Aames!
posted by Chrysostom at 10:08 AM on April 14, 2017
SO EXCITED
SO EXCITED
SO EXCITED
GRINNING GLEEFULLY AT MY DESK LIKE A SIX YEAR OLD BECAUSE STAR WARS Y'ALL
And yeah. That music. Star Wars music never ceases to give me shivers.
posted by olinerd at 10:10 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
SO EXCITED
SO EXCITED
GRINNING GLEEFULLY AT MY DESK LIKE A SIX YEAR OLD BECAUSE STAR WARS Y'ALL
And yeah. That music. Star Wars music never ceases to give me shivers.
posted by olinerd at 10:10 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
Oh man. Of all of the weekends for me to be off in the hinterlands with erratic internet. Guess I better see if I can get to town for "errands."
posted by nubs at 10:11 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by nubs at 10:11 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
Wait... "end"???? LUKE! EXPLAIN YOURSELF!
That was Kylo Ren, wasn't it?
posted by olinerd at 10:12 AM on April 14, 2017
That was Kylo Ren, wasn't it?
posted by olinerd at 10:12 AM on April 14, 2017
*meep again*
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 10:13 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 10:13 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
How could anyone be mean to Daisy Ridley? She's as cute a button.
posted by orrnyereg at 10:16 AM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
posted by orrnyereg at 10:16 AM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
Because they didn't like her part in Ghostbusters, even though they haven't seen it.
posted by adept256 at 10:21 AM on April 14, 2017 [10 favorites]
posted by adept256 at 10:21 AM on April 14, 2017 [10 favorites]
How could anyone be mean to Daisy Ridley? She's as cute a button.
To pose the question is to know the answer, methinks...
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 10:23 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
To pose the question is to know the answer, methinks...
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 10:23 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
Was it really wise to put this out the same weekend as the returns of MST3K AND Doctor Who? Nerdmedia OVERLOAD!!!
posted by oneswellfoop at 10:26 AM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
posted by oneswellfoop at 10:26 AM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
Thank goodness no one is in my office area right now to hear the sound I just made!
posted by n. moon at 10:27 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by n. moon at 10:27 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
She's as cute a button.
A butt on what?
(sorry, I just get so few chances to use that joke)
posted by Greg_Ace at 10:28 AM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
A butt on what?
(sorry, I just get so few chances to use that joke)
posted by Greg_Ace at 10:28 AM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
Wait... "end"???? LUKE! EXPLAIN YOURSELF!
He's watched the prequels and finally realized the Jedis were assholes.
So excited for this movie!!!!!!
posted by coust at 10:31 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
He's watched the prequels and finally realized the Jedis were assholes.
So excited for this movie!!!!!!
posted by coust at 10:31 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
The moment of dread at 0:46 that Star Wars is going to start using pan pipes a lot, like my doctors waiting room does incessantly on a loop while I'm waiting ages for a blood pressure test then they wonder why the readings are so high, but as there's no further rendition of these sounds think we may just have gotten away with it.
Don't you dare go hatin' on Rey's Theme, one of the best themes John Williams has done in quite a while, and which I'm confident will be awesome even if he wants to throw pan pipes, theremin, ukulele, and glass harmonica into the orchestration.
posted by straight at 10:38 AM on April 14, 2017 [7 favorites]
Don't you dare go hatin' on Rey's Theme, one of the best themes John Williams has done in quite a while, and which I'm confident will be awesome even if he wants to throw pan pipes, theremin, ukulele, and glass harmonica into the orchestration.
posted by straight at 10:38 AM on April 14, 2017 [7 favorites]
Ukulele is really what the Star Wars universe has been missing. Get on it, Williams!
posted by orrnyereg at 10:39 AM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
posted by orrnyereg at 10:39 AM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
Carrie Fisher finished filming for Episode VIII before she died; the open question has been what her death means for Episode IX, and that's what the 'no CGI' was in reference to.
But nobody said that couldn't cast her role with a Frank Oz puppet.
Is it wrong that I really want to see muppet leia?
posted by leotrotsky at 10:43 AM on April 14, 2017 [7 favorites]
But nobody said that couldn't cast her role with a Frank Oz puppet.
Is it wrong that I really want to see muppet leia?
posted by leotrotsky at 10:43 AM on April 14, 2017 [7 favorites]
In case you somehow missed it here is the lovely video package from the Carrie Fisher tribute yesterday.
posted by anastasiav at 10:45 AM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
posted by anastasiav at 10:45 AM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
Ukulele is really what the Star Wars universe has been missing. Get on it, Williams!
Lei's Theme
posted by adept256 at 10:45 AM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
Lei's Theme
posted by adept256 at 10:45 AM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
It does kind of feel like the whole Jedi thing isn't really working anymore.
Make Jedi great again #mjga
Anyways, just watched it on my tiny phone screen. Excited.
posted by nubs at 10:47 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
Make Jedi great again #mjga
Anyways, just watched it on my tiny phone screen. Excited.
posted by nubs at 10:47 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
I already stopped a work meeting to run down the hall showing the trailer to my fellow nerds. I love the tech sector!
Too important to waste time running. Slack lit the fuck up at our place.
posted by mikelieman at 10:50 AM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
Too important to waste time running. Slack lit the fuck up at our place.
posted by mikelieman at 10:50 AM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
I'm so excited. My daughter just turned 6 in March and we did a marathon of all of them. (Man, is episode I still so painfully hard to watch. I wanna swat someone with a newspaper over that). This is going to be her first theater experience with it. I hate to wish away time but OMG I CANNOT FREAKING WAIT.
posted by Bacon Bit at 10:53 AM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by Bacon Bit at 10:53 AM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
I wouldn't take the absence of a character from a 2 minute trailer to have any significance.
posted by nubs at 10:54 AM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by nubs at 10:54 AM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
Yeah, it's just that to me he's the most important character in the SW universe :P
posted by CitoyenK at 10:59 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by CitoyenK at 10:59 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
Google's top 3-5 hits for "the last jedi trailer" are... emphatically not that. Fan films == fake news.
posted by aureliobuendia at 11:23 AM on April 14, 2017
posted by aureliobuendia at 11:23 AM on April 14, 2017
So, I once (before the Prequels were created) smoked too much marijuana (is there such a thing?) and fell into a trance in a Lay-Z-Boy recliner (they're either evil incarnate or brilliant, the jury is still out) while watching Star Wars and had this THC-fever-dream about how R2D2 was a stealth smart bomb. In my fantasy he was activated in Episode I and he spent the entire 9 movie arc slowly manipulating the humans around him to get close to the heart of the Empire and in the final movie he blows himself up and kills the Empire and brings freedom to the Galaxy.
It was a brilliant story arc, full of wit and insight and symbolism and entirely worth of ESB level Star Wars writing.
I was too stoned to write it down. Shame. My imagined first 3 movies were better than what was made.
posted by hippybear at 11:25 AM on April 14, 2017 [9 favorites]
It was a brilliant story arc, full of wit and insight and symbolism and entirely worth of ESB level Star Wars writing.
I was too stoned to write it down. Shame. My imagined first 3 movies were better than what was made.
posted by hippybear at 11:25 AM on April 14, 2017 [9 favorites]
Google's top 3-5 hits for "the last jedi trailer" are... emphatically not that. Fan films == fake news.
Got tricked starting to watch one of those.... after a bit the blurry images + overuse of voices/images from previous sources lead me to conclude it was a fan made one, but those are getting better than they used to be.
posted by coust at 11:25 AM on April 14, 2017
Got tricked starting to watch one of those.... after a bit the blurry images + overuse of voices/images from previous sources lead me to conclude it was a fan made one, but those are getting better than they used to be.
posted by coust at 11:25 AM on April 14, 2017
I don't want to google for it right now, but a news release said that the studio has some advance Episode IX footage in the can for Fisher. It's not clear on how much is there, or whether it's material that was originally written for Last Jedi that will be worked into IX.
I think a running theme of the movies and at least some of the Lucasfilm extended material is that the Jedi are not the greatest culture to be caretakers of The Force. And Rogue One revealed that no Jedi doesn't necessarily mean no Force.
posted by CBrachyrhynchos at 11:26 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
I think a running theme of the movies and at least some of the Lucasfilm extended material is that the Jedi are not the greatest culture to be caretakers of The Force. And Rogue One revealed that no Jedi doesn't necessarily mean no Force.
posted by CBrachyrhynchos at 11:26 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
No R2?
There's the briefest glimpse of R2 at 1:30.
posted by Dixon Ticonderoga at 11:30 AM on April 14, 2017
There's the briefest glimpse of R2 at 1:30.
posted by Dixon Ticonderoga at 11:30 AM on April 14, 2017
Eh, it looks OK. It's all a bit much, isn't it?
posted by codacorolla at 11:35 AM on April 14, 2017
posted by codacorolla at 11:35 AM on April 14, 2017
Last Jedi Panel at Star Wars Celebration
posted by anastasiav at 11:36 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by anastasiav at 11:36 AM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
Judging by the symbol in that old book it's pretty clear Rey finds Luke's old Dazzler comics
posted by jason_steakums at 11:41 AM on April 14, 2017 [7 favorites]
posted by jason_steakums at 11:41 AM on April 14, 2017 [7 favorites]
Eh, it looks OK. It's all a bit much, isn't it?
Sorry, it's too early for "Luke"warm takes. Squee or gtfo. :)
posted by nubs at 11:42 AM on April 14, 2017 [12 favorites]
Sorry, it's too early for "Luke"warm takes. Squee or gtfo. :)
posted by nubs at 11:42 AM on April 14, 2017 [12 favorites]
So, I once (before the Prequels were created) smoked too much marijuana (is there such a thing?)
Marijuana, no. Hash, Hash Oil, Shatter, Kief, concentrates in general end up with just wanting to take a nap, so I've heard...
posted by mikelieman at 11:42 AM on April 14, 2017
Marijuana, no. Hash, Hash Oil, Shatter, Kief, concentrates in general end up with just wanting to take a nap, so I've heard...
posted by mikelieman at 11:42 AM on April 14, 2017
So, I once (before the Prequels were created) smoked too much marijuana (is there such a thing?) and fell into a trance in a Lay-Z-Boy recliner
Coincidentally, I think that's how Augie "Ben" Doggie became a Red-Eye Knight.
posted by radwolf76 at 11:53 AM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
Coincidentally, I think that's how Augie "Ben" Doggie became a Red-Eye Knight.
posted by radwolf76 at 11:53 AM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
If only Lisa "Left Eye" Lopez had lived long enough...
posted by hippybear at 12:00 PM on April 14, 2017
posted by hippybear at 12:00 PM on April 14, 2017
When everyone is a Jedi, no one is a Jedi.
Obviously Luke wants to infect everyone with *supresses vomit* midichlorians and make everyone a Jedi.
posted by blue_beetle at 12:12 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
Obviously Luke wants to infect everyone with *supresses vomit* midichlorians and make everyone a Jedi.
posted by blue_beetle at 12:12 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
I'm really intrigued to find out where Luke is going with his "the Jedi must end" thing. Especially since he's clearly training Rey throughout the whole trailer.
I suspect that he wants to drop the whole Jedi/Sith, Light/Dark dichotomy and push the idea that there's just The Force. And, what's more, that it's the responsibility of those with closer access to the Force than others not to use it but to be used by it. That even using the Light Side of the Force is ultimately just as evil as using the Dark Side, if not done in a spirit of service.
posted by tobascodagama at 12:21 PM on April 14, 2017 [11 favorites]
I suspect that he wants to drop the whole Jedi/Sith, Light/Dark dichotomy and push the idea that there's just The Force. And, what's more, that it's the responsibility of those with closer access to the Force than others not to use it but to be used by it. That even using the Light Side of the Force is ultimately just as evil as using the Dark Side, if not done in a spirit of service.
posted by tobascodagama at 12:21 PM on April 14, 2017 [11 favorites]
So now he's Lao-uke Tsu?
posted by Greg_Ace at 12:43 PM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
posted by Greg_Ace at 12:43 PM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
I'm impressed they found a day with actual sunlight to film at Skellig Michael (and I'm still bitter that I never got to visit myself because the normal weather setting is "car wash").
posted by fremen at 12:56 PM on April 14, 2017 [5 favorites]
posted by fremen at 12:56 PM on April 14, 2017 [5 favorites]
It's Disney. They can afford to change the weather.
posted by rikschell at 12:58 PM on April 14, 2017 [11 favorites]
posted by rikschell at 12:58 PM on April 14, 2017 [11 favorites]
I really hope the character of Leia lives to the end of the last movie. That would be the most fitting tribute to Fisher. Just because an actor is gone doesn't mean their character has to die. I don't care if we don't see her at the end of IX because she's out getting her hair done--we should end these movies knowing that Princess Leia makes it.
posted by tzikeh at 12:59 PM on April 14, 2017 [8 favorites]
posted by tzikeh at 12:59 PM on April 14, 2017 [8 favorites]
Meh. It didn't really say much. It's been pretty obvious that the Jedi haven't done a great job in a long time and rest was just, very pretty without saying much. Seems obvious that Rey will learn or be taught to operate with both light and dark sides in her and that'll turn out better for everyone.
Or maybe i'm still feeling burned by the last Star Wars trailer and how disappointing Rogue One was for me.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:02 PM on April 14, 2017
Or maybe i'm still feeling burned by the last Star Wars trailer and how disappointing Rogue One was for me.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:02 PM on April 14, 2017
I've got a bad feeling about this.
posted by thelonius at 1:03 PM on April 14, 2017 [5 favorites]
posted by thelonius at 1:03 PM on April 14, 2017 [5 favorites]
Plus I look at the poster and all I can see is Rey holding Captain America's shield under some weird tree branches and now I want to see that movie.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:05 PM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:05 PM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
We're not done squeeing yet, you debbie downers! Rogue One wasn't disappointing at all for me. It wasn't perfect but it was damn great.
If you listen to the TFA soundtrack on your Spotify desktop app, the time bar is a lightsaber!
posted by numaner at 1:08 PM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
If you listen to the TFA soundtrack on your Spotify desktop app, the time bar is a lightsaber!
posted by numaner at 1:08 PM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
If Luke's statement puts a stake in the heart of the inevitable "THE JEDI WERE REALLY THE BAD GUYS!" pieces that drop every time a new movie comes out and, too be fair--also in this thread--the movie will be entirely worth it.
posted by Cyrano at 1:23 PM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
posted by Cyrano at 1:23 PM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
I may be the only person on MetaFilter going, "Aww. No half-second glimpse of Kelly Marie Tran?" But other than that, I'm psyched. And a little nervous about what this film means for Luke's character arc. But also psyched!
posted by bettafish at 1:25 PM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by bettafish at 1:25 PM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
We're not done squeeing yet, you debbie downers!
Hey, we all grew up with it, too! We can grouse if we want to.
posted by grumpybear69 at 1:26 PM on April 14, 2017
Hey, we all grew up with it, too! We can grouse if we want to.
posted by grumpybear69 at 1:26 PM on April 14, 2017
No footage of Luke training Rey by having her give him piggyback rides. Boo.
posted by ooga_booga at 1:26 PM on April 14, 2017 [20 favorites]
posted by ooga_booga at 1:26 PM on April 14, 2017 [20 favorites]
We're not done squeeing yet, you debbie downers!
Oh, I see Mystic people are still around.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:28 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
Oh, I see Mystic people are still around.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:28 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
I still don't want her to be his daughter.* Tired of the One Chosen Bloodline bullshit.
I will probably not get my wish.
posted by emjaybee at 1:42 PM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
I will probably not get my wish.
posted by emjaybee at 1:42 PM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
I don't think the Jedi are the "bad guys" so much as a religious institution so blinded by tradition and doctrine that they can't see the problems developing under their nose.
posted by CBrachyrhynchos at 1:46 PM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
posted by CBrachyrhynchos at 1:46 PM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
It's been pretty obvious that the Jedi haven't done a great job in a long time and rest was just, very pretty without saying much. Seems obvious that Rey will learn or be taught to operate with both light and dark sides in her and that'll turn out better for everyone.
I'm sort of hoping that with the end of this decades-long storyline in sight the Star Wars Universe can move towards telling some other stories which don't rely on the super-facile Light Side Good, Dark Side Bad dichotomy. What I'd *really* like to see is a big screen version of Darth Traya / Kreia laying some wisdom down on the audience. Since the KOTOR games are probably the best things to ever come out of the Star Wars universe.
I'm sort of hoping that with the end of this decades-long storyline in sight the Star Wars Universe can move towards telling some other stories which don't rely on the super-facile Light Side Good, Dark Side Bad dichotomy. What I'd *really* like to see is a big screen version of Darth Traya / Kreia laying some wisdom down on the audience. Since the KOTOR games are probably the best things to ever come out of the Star Wars universe.
"Do you think I seek the death of all living things? There is no victory in such things. I do not want to win our war like this, tiny Jedi. When I win, I wish it to be because I was right, my teachings true."posted by Justinian at 1:47 PM on April 14, 2017 [7 favorites]
(Dame Maggie Smith circa 2010 would have been so perfect. So perfect. Hold me.)
posted by Justinian at 1:55 PM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by Justinian at 1:55 PM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
Oh, I see Mystic people are still around.
Joke's on you! I quit months ago ^_^
I doubt she's his daughter. Too obvious for modern audiences.
posted by numaner at 2:01 PM on April 14, 2017
Joke's on you! I quit months ago ^_^
I doubt she's his daughter. Too obvious for modern audiences.
posted by numaner at 2:01 PM on April 14, 2017
I doubt she's his daughter. Too obvious for modern audiences.
Then who's daughter is she? Clearly the mystery is there for some reason.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 2:03 PM on April 14, 2017
Then who's daughter is she? Clearly the mystery is there for some reason.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 2:03 PM on April 14, 2017
I still like the theory that she's Ben Kenobi's granddaughter.
posted by Faint of Butt at 2:10 PM on April 14, 2017 [9 favorites]
posted by Faint of Butt at 2:10 PM on April 14, 2017 [9 favorites]
really, the only way to celebrate this news is to rehash all the theories from the fanfare thread and turn this into another 3000+ comments thread.
aaaand GO!
posted by numaner at 2:19 PM on April 14, 2017 [7 favorites]
aaaand GO!
posted by numaner at 2:19 PM on April 14, 2017 [7 favorites]
I figure that, if she's going to be anybody's daughter, she'll be Leia's. That makes the possibility that Rey will end up finding a way to redeem Kylo a bit less offensive than if she were just some random woman whose purpose in the universe is to "fix" some random man.
But then Leia would have sensed the connection as soon as they met, I'm sure of it. So I dunno.
The "Rey Kenobi" theory might have some legs. But personally I'm rooting for her to be related to just some random couple who abandoned her for their own random reasons. I know that everybody being related to everybody else is kind of Star Wars' thing, but it's getting ridiculous at this point.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:22 PM on April 14, 2017 [5 favorites]
But then Leia would have sensed the connection as soon as they met, I'm sure of it. So I dunno.
The "Rey Kenobi" theory might have some legs. But personally I'm rooting for her to be related to just some random couple who abandoned her for their own random reasons. I know that everybody being related to everybody else is kind of Star Wars' thing, but it's getting ridiculous at this point.
posted by tobascodagama at 2:22 PM on April 14, 2017 [5 favorites]
I may be the only person on MetaFilter going, "Aww. No half-second glimpse of Kelly Marie Tran?"
There's a strong theory I've already seen that the speeder thingie that's hits the ground, while kicking up the red dust on the planet heading toward the AT-ATs, is piloted by Kelly Marie Tran's character Rose. Which would fit if she's a mechanic who is suddenly called into service as a pilot if things are as desperate as it seems from some of the teaser.
posted by skynxnex at 2:22 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
There's a strong theory I've already seen that the speeder thingie that's hits the ground, while kicking up the red dust on the planet heading toward the AT-ATs, is piloted by Kelly Marie Tran's character Rose. Which would fit if she's a mechanic who is suddenly called into service as a pilot if things are as desperate as it seems from some of the teaser.
posted by skynxnex at 2:22 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
The obvious answer is Solo/Leia right?
I would think that Leia would have mentioned something about that after meeting Rey.
Kenobi's daughter sounds like a perfectly good choice, since it has to be a mystery.
But back to the trailer, I'm meh about it because it hints at the movie covering the whole light/dark aspect and that needs a knife stuff in it. Finn's only appearance is asleep and just what the hell is that supposed to telegraph? Rey swinging a lightsaber around, yet seemingly not fighting anything looks silly as hell. The spaceship skimming over white sand with red dust in their wake looks incredibly neat, but there's context for it, so yeah.
I think that's what's I'm missing, some hint of what the story is about, with hopefully a new angle and none of that is there. It smells strongly of reheated soup, which is fine, but personally doesn't leave me thinking OMG MUST SEE THIS.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 2:23 PM on April 14, 2017
I would think that Leia would have mentioned something about that after meeting Rey.
Kenobi's daughter sounds like a perfectly good choice, since it has to be a mystery.
But back to the trailer, I'm meh about it because it hints at the movie covering the whole light/dark aspect and that needs a knife stuff in it. Finn's only appearance is asleep and just what the hell is that supposed to telegraph? Rey swinging a lightsaber around, yet seemingly not fighting anything looks silly as hell. The spaceship skimming over white sand with red dust in their wake looks incredibly neat, but there's context for it, so yeah.
I think that's what's I'm missing, some hint of what the story is about, with hopefully a new angle and none of that is there. It smells strongly of reheated soup, which is fine, but personally doesn't leave me thinking OMG MUST SEE THIS.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 2:23 PM on April 14, 2017
It's the teaser trailer. The details will come. This is just to get us speculating. Mission accomplished.
posted by rikschell at 2:35 PM on April 14, 2017 [5 favorites]
posted by rikschell at 2:35 PM on April 14, 2017 [5 favorites]
It's a teaser trailer. They normally don't say much about the plot in teasers. They're usually supposed to hype up the fan base for the actual official trailer, which probably will be released closer to fall. All the teaser needs to do is show you bursts of who will be in the movie, which so far is everyone we've seen and expected. If you're not hyped by a teaser, that's a pity.
Slight derail: I actually prefer teaser trailers to typical American movie trailers anyway. They're usually way too long and basically spoil a good 3/4 of the movie, and for most movies they're genre-specific enough where you can basically guess the remaining 1/4 and how it will end. I haaaate modern American movie trailers for that reason. European trailers usually give you much less information while giving you a better sense of the tone and style of the movie.
Anyways, I like this theory that Snoke is that one stormtrooper who bumped his head on that door because of that huge scar on his forehead.
posted by numaner at 2:35 PM on April 14, 2017 [9 favorites]
Slight derail: I actually prefer teaser trailers to typical American movie trailers anyway. They're usually way too long and basically spoil a good 3/4 of the movie, and for most movies they're genre-specific enough where you can basically guess the remaining 1/4 and how it will end. I haaaate modern American movie trailers for that reason. European trailers usually give you much less information while giving you a better sense of the tone and style of the movie.
Anyways, I like this theory that Snoke is that one stormtrooper who bumped his head on that door because of that huge scar on his forehead.
posted by numaner at 2:35 PM on April 14, 2017 [9 favorites]
One thing I take out of this teaser: The Last Jedi will have a LOT of shots where we silently tighten in on some object or person.
posted by hanov3r at 2:39 PM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
posted by hanov3r at 2:39 PM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
Muppet Leia
Disney also owns Henson's production company. I think we've just cracked the riddle of Leia in episode IX.
posted by bonehead at 2:39 PM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
Disney also owns Henson's production company. I think we've just cracked the riddle of Leia in episode IX.
posted by bonehead at 2:39 PM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
Then who's daughter is she? Clearly the mystery is there for some reason.
Next time you watch The Force Awakens, watch the interactions between Han and Rey. Harrison plays Han like he's gradually realizing who this strange girl is. When he finally feels confident she is who he suspects her to be, he offers her a spot on the Falcon crew. It feels to me like his real motive is to keep an eye on her. But he doesn't play it like "OMG. This is my daughter!". At the point when they meet, and she eventually meets Leia, there's no reason for them to hide from her any more. If she is their daughter, they would be like, "Yes! We're the parents you've been waiting for! We're back!"
posted by vibrotronica at 2:41 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
Next time you watch The Force Awakens, watch the interactions between Han and Rey. Harrison plays Han like he's gradually realizing who this strange girl is. When he finally feels confident she is who he suspects her to be, he offers her a spot on the Falcon crew. It feels to me like his real motive is to keep an eye on her. But he doesn't play it like "OMG. This is my daughter!". At the point when they meet, and she eventually meets Leia, there's no reason for them to hide from her any more. If she is their daughter, they would be like, "Yes! We're the parents you've been waiting for! We're back!"
posted by vibrotronica at 2:41 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
Yeaaaaaah, am aware its a teaser trailer and what a teaser does. It didn't happen for me, explained why. Glad it's working for you.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 2:43 PM on April 14, 2017
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 2:43 PM on April 14, 2017
I bet that Rey is gonna be Han/Leia's daughter if they continue doing fanservice stuff, making it analogous to Luke/Leia being separated.
posted by gucci mane at 2:46 PM on April 14, 2017
posted by gucci mane at 2:46 PM on April 14, 2017
I'm doubting the Leia connection. The whole broken family premise of Revenge/Empire/Return hinges on Anakin not only being absent, but batshit, bugfuck dangerous as well. Yes, Han-Leia-Ben are also a broken family, but one where the estranged parents are at least reasonably honest about what's keeping them apart.
Rey as Luke's daughter would be disappointing, since you'd think that Luke had grown up a bit on his abandonment issues and wouldn't want to do that all over again to his own daughter.
I'm a slight bit friendly to reincarnation, which is one way to interpret Maz's comment and if they're going to plunder Dharma they might as well go all in.
Disney also owns Henson's production company.
No, Disney owns the rights to the Muppets and a few other early Henson trademarks and copyrights. The Henson Company (and Creature Shop) is owned by the Henson family and is still doing television and movie contract work.
posted by CBrachyrhynchos at 2:47 PM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
Rey as Luke's daughter would be disappointing, since you'd think that Luke had grown up a bit on his abandonment issues and wouldn't want to do that all over again to his own daughter.
I'm a slight bit friendly to reincarnation, which is one way to interpret Maz's comment and if they're going to plunder Dharma they might as well go all in.
Disney also owns Henson's production company.
No, Disney owns the rights to the Muppets and a few other early Henson trademarks and copyrights. The Henson Company (and Creature Shop) is owned by the Henson family and is still doing television and movie contract work.
posted by CBrachyrhynchos at 2:47 PM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
Next time you watch The Force Awakens, watch the interactions between Han and Rey.
Could it just be that Rey reminds him of Luke or Leia a bit? I mean, she's this headstrong kid leaving her desert planet home for the first time. Or it could be familiarity in a "shit, I've got my neck hairs standing up like when Luke is doing that Force stuff" kind of way. Or, my personal preference, that Han was the freighter captain who helped smuggle her onto Jakku in the first place, and he's kind of putting the pieces together like "wait a minute, the last time I was here was 20-something years ago..."
posted by tobascodagama at 3:11 PM on April 14, 2017 [5 favorites]
Could it just be that Rey reminds him of Luke or Leia a bit? I mean, she's this headstrong kid leaving her desert planet home for the first time. Or it could be familiarity in a "shit, I've got my neck hairs standing up like when Luke is doing that Force stuff" kind of way. Or, my personal preference, that Han was the freighter captain who helped smuggle her onto Jakku in the first place, and he's kind of putting the pieces together like "wait a minute, the last time I was here was 20-something years ago..."
posted by tobascodagama at 3:11 PM on April 14, 2017 [5 favorites]
(For the history, the Henson family sold the Muppets to Disney to raise capital to reclaim the Henson Company from a bankruptcy sale by a German media conglomerate. Disney had exclusive distribution rights to the Muppets anyway, and the family controls Fraggles, Farscape, and the Henson+Froud movies in addition to the Company.)
posted by CBrachyrhynchos at 3:15 PM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
posted by CBrachyrhynchos at 3:15 PM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
DON DRAPER: What time is it?
[New slide: "Time for the Jedi to end." Murmurs in the boardroom.]
DON DRAPER: Don't get me wrong. When I was growing up, all I wanted...all that all of us wanted...was to see the Jedi return. But when they did, somehow it didn't satisfy. You could say it was because half of the new Jedi trainees turned evil and murdered the other half with lightsabers. But that's really just a facet of a universal problem: the disappointment that always follows on the fulfillment of a promise. That fatal disconnect between hope and success. So what's the solution? You cut away everything except for the promise. Except for the hope.
[New slide: "A new hope..."]
DON DRAPER: A perpetual rebranding of the Knighthood. A new name and a new theme every six months, supported by action figures, restaurant tie-ins, and television shows. Laser Knights. Phoenix Knights. Desert Knights. Witch Knights, for Halloween. Snow Knights, for Christmas. What's our brand? Our brand is multiplicity: change itself. Our brand is the promise of renewal. What our brand is not...is the Jedi. The Jedi never happened. It will shock you how much they never happened.
posted by Iridic at 3:19 PM on April 14, 2017 [28 favorites]
[New slide: "Time for the Jedi to end." Murmurs in the boardroom.]
DON DRAPER: Don't get me wrong. When I was growing up, all I wanted...all that all of us wanted...was to see the Jedi return. But when they did, somehow it didn't satisfy. You could say it was because half of the new Jedi trainees turned evil and murdered the other half with lightsabers. But that's really just a facet of a universal problem: the disappointment that always follows on the fulfillment of a promise. That fatal disconnect between hope and success. So what's the solution? You cut away everything except for the promise. Except for the hope.
[New slide: "A new hope..."]
DON DRAPER: A perpetual rebranding of the Knighthood. A new name and a new theme every six months, supported by action figures, restaurant tie-ins, and television shows. Laser Knights. Phoenix Knights. Desert Knights. Witch Knights, for Halloween. Snow Knights, for Christmas. What's our brand? Our brand is multiplicity: change itself. Our brand is the promise of renewal. What our brand is not...is the Jedi. The Jedi never happened. It will shock you how much they never happened.
posted by Iridic at 3:19 PM on April 14, 2017 [28 favorites]
Or, my personal preference, that Han was the freighter captain who helped smuggle her onto Jakku in the first place, and he's kind of putting the pieces together like "wait a minute, the last time I was here was 20-something years ago..."
Right. Han knows exactly who she is.
posted by vibrotronica at 3:19 PM on April 14, 2017 [5 favorites]
Right. Han knows exactly who she is.
posted by vibrotronica at 3:19 PM on April 14, 2017 [5 favorites]
Or rather, knew.
posted by vibrotronica at 3:19 PM on April 14, 2017
posted by vibrotronica at 3:19 PM on April 14, 2017
Rey Palpatine.
posted by Construction Concern at 3:32 PM on April 14, 2017
posted by Construction Concern at 3:32 PM on April 14, 2017
Rey Porkins
posted by ckape at 3:45 PM on April 14, 2017 [16 favorites]
posted by ckape at 3:45 PM on April 14, 2017 [16 favorites]
Rey Rey the Dancing Ma...chey.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 3:50 PM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 3:50 PM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
Rey Hutt
posted by SandCounty at 3:50 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by SandCounty at 3:50 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
The Leia / Rey theory is pretty poor, IMHO -- if nothing else, she's competent enough that she wouldn't have dropped Rey off at a junk dealer's. Luke, meh?
I think it's pretty clear she was trained by Luke when she was young, however. Ren knows who she could be, and that she could be on Jakku. That might also explain the Han connection.
posted by steady-state strawberry at 3:59 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
I think it's pretty clear she was trained by Luke when she was young, however. Ren knows who she could be, and that she could be on Jakku. That might also explain the Han connection.
posted by steady-state strawberry at 3:59 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
... also, Leia is OBSESSED with getting Ren back. How much more concerned would she have been about her younger daughter? If Han had known Rey's identity by then, he presumably would have mentioned her existence, which means Rey would have came up.
posted by steady-state strawberry at 4:02 PM on April 14, 2017
posted by steady-state strawberry at 4:02 PM on April 14, 2017
Reybacca Binks
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 4:16 PM on April 14, 2017 [7 favorites]
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 4:16 PM on April 14, 2017 [7 favorites]
also, Leia is OBSESSED with getting Ren back.
*citation needed
posted by hippybear at 4:21 PM on April 14, 2017
*citation needed
posted by hippybear at 4:21 PM on April 14, 2017
... in the context of conversations with Han, at least. If Rey were theirs, I think she'd be brought up -- either by Han ("guess what? I've found one of them!") or by Leia.
posted by steady-state strawberry at 4:33 PM on April 14, 2017
posted by steady-state strawberry at 4:33 PM on April 14, 2017
I thought Stimpy was the one obsessed with getting Ren back.
(still slightly bothered by some of the choices of new character names... I mean, Finn could REALLY use a Jake...)
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:37 PM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
(still slightly bothered by some of the choices of new character names... I mean, Finn could REALLY use a Jake...)
posted by oneswellfoop at 4:37 PM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
Mark Hamill made a pretty clear "Rey is my daughter" joke at the Last Jedi panel (he deliberately stopped saying the word halfway through), which I feel he wouldn't do if that was the actual reveal. Could have been a double bluff, but I doubt it.
Lots to get excited about in the trailer, though. And some podracing.
posted by crossoverman at 4:44 PM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
Lots to get excited about in the trailer, though. And some podracing.
posted by crossoverman at 4:44 PM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
Looks pretty good but it's not like I'm not going to see a Star Wars movie on opening weekend even if the trailer was terrible.
posted by octothorpe at 4:45 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by octothorpe at 4:45 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
So, who is R2 sitting next to, watching the world burn?
posted by LobsterMitten at 5:12 PM on April 14, 2017
posted by LobsterMitten at 5:12 PM on April 14, 2017
Mark Hamill made a pretty clear "Rey is my daughter" joke at the Last Jedi panel (he deliberately stopped saying the word halfway through), which I feel he wouldn't do if that was the actual reveal.
Yeah, no one would nonchalantly spoil Star Wars plot points like that.
posted by ckape at 5:25 PM on April 14, 2017
Yeah, no one would nonchalantly spoil Star Wars plot points like that.
posted by ckape at 5:25 PM on April 14, 2017
ckape: Yeah, no one would nonchalantly spoil Star Wars plot points like that.
Did you... did you read to the bottom of that article? The fake-out script is one of the most-known trivia things about that moment:
Did you... did you read to the bottom of that article? The fake-out script is one of the most-known trivia things about that moment:
The thing is, Prowse probably wasn’t aware of Vader’s paternity shenanigans. When it came time to film Vader and Luke’s battle on Bespin, the script called for Vader to tell Luke, ‘Obi-Wan killed your father’; James Earl Jones’ real reveal was dubbed in later.... It’s common knowledge that Empire director Irvin Kershner did that to both preserve the huge reveal, and also because Earl Jones had to ADR the entire movie later anyway.posted by tzikeh at 5:38 PM on April 14, 2017
I cannot hear Mark Hamill's voice now without hearing Fire Lord Ozai. :/
posted by xthlc at 6:01 PM on April 14, 2017 [5 favorites]
posted by xthlc at 6:01 PM on April 14, 2017 [5 favorites]
So, who is R2 sitting next to, watching the world burn?
Luke. I believe that's the flashback to the destruction of the Jedi temple mentioned in Force Awakens.
posted by Ashwagandha at 6:04 PM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
Luke. I believe that's the flashback to the destruction of the Jedi temple mentioned in Force Awakens.
posted by Ashwagandha at 6:04 PM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
That makes the possibility that Rey will end up finding a way to redeem Kylo a bit less offensive than if she were just some random woman whose purpose in the universe is to "fix" some random man.
My pet theory is that Rey turns darkside and Kylo Ren turns lightside and then Kylo Ren and Finn have to team up to deal with / redeem Rey.
Rey really loves killing, two or three times in TFA when she starts fighting you get a tight closeup of her face and she goes all owlish and vicious and happy. And TFA makes a big big deal of Kylo Ren's lightside struggle, which I think is General Organa force-hugging him from a distance. So maybe it's his mom that brings him back.
My guess about Rey's parentage is that she's not a named characters' daughter, she's the reincarnation of Darth Vader, another virgin mega-Force baby birth. Dunno how that squares with Solo knowing who she is, or how she got marooned on Jakku, or whether they'd resurrect an idea from the prequels, but we'll see. Just wanna have this stuff on the record so I can quietly ignore it in December
posted by Sauce Trough at 6:09 PM on April 14, 2017
My pet theory is that Rey turns darkside and Kylo Ren turns lightside and then Kylo Ren and Finn have to team up to deal with / redeem Rey.
Rey really loves killing, two or three times in TFA when she starts fighting you get a tight closeup of her face and she goes all owlish and vicious and happy. And TFA makes a big big deal of Kylo Ren's lightside struggle, which I think is General Organa force-hugging him from a distance. So maybe it's his mom that brings him back.
My guess about Rey's parentage is that she's not a named characters' daughter, she's the reincarnation of Darth Vader, another virgin mega-Force baby birth. Dunno how that squares with Solo knowing who she is, or how she got marooned on Jakku, or whether they'd resurrect an idea from the prequels, but we'll see. Just wanna have this stuff on the record so I can quietly ignore it in December
posted by Sauce Trough at 6:09 PM on April 14, 2017
The animated show Rebels is canon right? If that's the case I assume they are going to explore that middle path (see the Bendu) so less about light conquering dark and more "we need to meet in the middle because all this fighting is getting us no where". I assume that is what is meant by Luke saying the Jedi must end "cuz we got to be Grey Jedi". Also that scene with the ships skimming the sand kind of reminds me of the planet Atollon which is where that Bendu creature lived. As to Rey's parents, I'm guessing she's the child of some of Luke's pupils from the temple?
posted by Ashwagandha at 6:14 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by Ashwagandha at 6:14 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
And that book shelf with Luke's Dazzler trade paperbacks is some kind of Force tree? I guess in the comics, which might be canon, Luke gives a piece of the original Coruscant Force tree to Poe Dameron's parents. So maybe that's a connection for something? They lived on Yavin 4.
posted by Ashwagandha at 6:22 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by Ashwagandha at 6:22 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
And there's a bunch of references to the kyber crystals in Rebels and Rogue One (and the non-canon Freemaker Adventures) so that probably means something too.
posted by Ashwagandha at 6:30 PM on April 14, 2017
posted by Ashwagandha at 6:30 PM on April 14, 2017
That totally changes this scene:
You... You're afraid... That you'll never be as strong as DARTH VADER!
There is a note of menace in 'you'. She's even wearing Anakin's scowl. Kylo is shaken, he knows she's right, but given she just beat him in a force battle, maybe SHE is as powerful as Darth Vader. Not shown in that clip is a cut to Vader's mangled mask immediately after that exchange. In the context of that scene alone, your theory would be plausible.
Though you'd be forgetting Anakin's death bed conversion, and his force ghost's redeemed appearance at the end of ROTJ. Also how does reincarnation work if there are force ghosts?
So it falls apart, but that scene would be the strongest indication of Rey == Vader.
posted by adept256 at 6:32 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
You... You're afraid... That you'll never be as strong as DARTH VADER!
There is a note of menace in 'you'. She's even wearing Anakin's scowl. Kylo is shaken, he knows she's right, but given she just beat him in a force battle, maybe SHE is as powerful as Darth Vader. Not shown in that clip is a cut to Vader's mangled mask immediately after that exchange. In the context of that scene alone, your theory would be plausible.
Though you'd be forgetting Anakin's death bed conversion, and his force ghost's redeemed appearance at the end of ROTJ. Also how does reincarnation work if there are force ghosts?
So it falls apart, but that scene would be the strongest indication of Rey == Vader.
posted by adept256 at 6:32 PM on April 14, 2017 [2 favorites]
MORE LAURA DERN.
posted by The Whelk at 6:43 PM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 6:43 PM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
Atollon has those distinctive flat-bladed tree things, you see them in most of the Atollon shots in Rebels.
I don't think the speeder / red dust / AT-AT scene is set there because there's no way a single planet have two biomes.
posted by Sauce Trough at 6:44 PM on April 14, 2017 [10 favorites]
I don't think the speeder / red dust / AT-AT scene is set there because there's no way a single planet have two biomes.
posted by Sauce Trough at 6:44 PM on April 14, 2017 [10 favorites]
Leia will not be in Episode IX.
(Carrie Fisher's brother recently gave an interview where he implied otherwise, but Lucasfilm president confirms she will not be in it)
posted by thefoxgod at 7:13 PM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
(Carrie Fisher's brother recently gave an interview where he implied otherwise, but Lucasfilm president confirms she will not be in it)
posted by thefoxgod at 7:13 PM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
The trailer leaves a lot of things open for interpretation. I might have to see this movie to figure out what it all means.
posted by mazola at 8:12 PM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
posted by mazola at 8:12 PM on April 14, 2017 [4 favorites]
And that book shelf with Luke's Dazzler trade paperbacks is some kind of Force tree?
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force-sensitive_tree is perfect art in URL form
posted by jason_steakums at 8:20 PM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force-sensitive_tree is perfect art in URL form
posted by jason_steakums at 8:20 PM on April 14, 2017 [3 favorites]
The whole "jedi must end" thing... somewhere else (Facebook I think?) somebody proposed that that line is actually being spoken by Benicio Del Toro's character... I wouldn't put it past Disney throw in a little misdirection...
posted by misterbee at 10:10 PM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by misterbee at 10:10 PM on April 14, 2017 [1 favorite]
I am still disappointed that Rey isn't Leia and Han's kid. SO disappointed. She really hit it off well with them and they fit together. Anything else is going to be a letdown.
posted by jenfullmoon at 10:55 PM on April 14, 2017
posted by jenfullmoon at 10:55 PM on April 14, 2017
She could easily be Han's kid, but not Leia's. That'd explain his reluctance to share her history with the rest of the gang, and her being abandoned by some jackass.
I'm still hoping for her to be related to one of Luke's now-dead students. Rey Katarn, maybe.
posted by fomhar at 12:04 AM on April 15, 2017 [2 favorites]
I'm still hoping for her to be related to one of Luke's now-dead students. Rey Katarn, maybe.
posted by fomhar at 12:04 AM on April 15, 2017 [2 favorites]
Rey Horn.
posted by The Tensor at 12:14 AM on April 15, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by The Tensor at 12:14 AM on April 15, 2017 [1 favorite]
So, at some point do we get Luke or somebody reading from The Journal Of The Whills and saying "a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...", maybe at the end of SW IX to set up another trilogy?
posted by threecheesetrees at 1:43 AM on April 15, 2017
posted by threecheesetrees at 1:43 AM on April 15, 2017
Is there some deep reason they went with Whills, or was George Lucas just having a brainfart? I keep having to remind myself we're not talking about multiple people called William.
posted by Dr Dracator at 2:42 AM on April 15, 2017
posted by Dr Dracator at 2:42 AM on April 15, 2017
My theory is that Snoke is Boba Fett after his happy fun times in the Sarlacc.
posted by the duck by the oboe at 3:33 AM on April 15, 2017 [3 favorites]
posted by the duck by the oboe at 3:33 AM on April 15, 2017 [3 favorites]
I keep having to remind myself we're not talking about multiple people called William.
If you'd gotten the Star Wars novelization when you were 10 and had read it a zillion times like I did, you wouldn't have this problem.
posted by hippybear at 5:32 AM on April 15, 2017 [3 favorites]
If you'd gotten the Star Wars novelization when you were 10 and had read it a zillion times like I did, you wouldn't have this problem.
posted by hippybear at 5:32 AM on April 15, 2017 [3 favorites]
No, it's going to be The Triumph of the Whills and it will feature even more footage of massed space soldiers in Speer-inspired plazas.
posted by Joe in Australia at 6:11 AM on April 15, 2017 [3 favorites]
posted by Joe in Australia at 6:11 AM on April 15, 2017 [3 favorites]
Manny Bothans wants to have a word with these William fellows.
posted by Behemoth at 6:15 AM on April 15, 2017 [3 favorites]
posted by Behemoth at 6:15 AM on April 15, 2017 [3 favorites]
The Last Jedi will be Carrie Fisher's final Star Wars film after all
Personally I'm hoping they open with people gathering for her funeral.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 7:23 AM on April 15, 2017 [1 favorite]
Personally I'm hoping they open with people gathering for her funeral.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 7:23 AM on April 15, 2017 [1 favorite]
Carrie Fisher's final SW film doesn't mean Leia's final film. She could be recast.
posted by crossoverman at 7:27 AM on April 15, 2017
posted by crossoverman at 7:27 AM on April 15, 2017
John Darnielle's theme song was criticized for revealing too much of the plot
(just kidding obvs.)
posted by dismas at 7:31 AM on April 15, 2017 [1 favorite]
(just kidding obvs.)
posted by dismas at 7:31 AM on April 15, 2017 [1 favorite]
She could be recast.
Because recasting an iconic character in the third film of a trilogy worked so well for The Matrix.
posted by tobascodagama at 7:46 AM on April 15, 2017
Because recasting an iconic character in the third film of a trilogy worked so well for The Matrix.
posted by tobascodagama at 7:46 AM on April 15, 2017
recasting an iconic character in the third film of a trilogy worked so well...
For Harry Potter.
posted by crossoverman at 8:35 AM on April 15, 2017 [4 favorites]
For Harry Potter.
posted by crossoverman at 8:35 AM on April 15, 2017 [4 favorites]
Carrie Fisher's final SW film doesn't mean Leia's final film. She could be recast.
If they're going to do that they should go full Plan 9, and hire Elizabeth Debicki to walk around with her arm in front of her face.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 8:59 AM on April 15, 2017 [6 favorites]
If they're going to do that they should go full Plan 9, and hire Elizabeth Debicki to walk around with her arm in front of her face.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 8:59 AM on April 15, 2017 [6 favorites]
For Harry Potter.
That's a little different - Dumbledore *had* to be in those stories. It isn't just canonical, removing him wouldn't just complicate the stories needlessly, it's also what everyone expected.
I'm pretty sure the bulk of fans are expecting the role of Princess Leia to belong to Carrie Fisher forever. (Hell, I'm not even a Star Wars guy and I'd consider replacing her in live action media crossing a very unpleasant line.)
posted by mordax at 9:07 AM on April 15, 2017
That's a little different - Dumbledore *had* to be in those stories. It isn't just canonical, removing him wouldn't just complicate the stories needlessly, it's also what everyone expected.
I'm pretty sure the bulk of fans are expecting the role of Princess Leia to belong to Carrie Fisher forever. (Hell, I'm not even a Star Wars guy and I'd consider replacing her in live action media crossing a very unpleasant line.)
posted by mordax at 9:07 AM on April 15, 2017
tobascodagama: "She could be recast.
Because recasting an iconic character in the third film of a trilogy worked so well for The Matrix."
There are lot of instances of major characters being recast that worked, but doing it for an actress who was so tightly identified by that role probably would never work.
posted by octothorpe at 9:29 AM on April 15, 2017 [3 favorites]
Because recasting an iconic character in the third film of a trilogy worked so well for The Matrix."
There are lot of instances of major characters being recast that worked, but doing it for an actress who was so tightly identified by that role probably would never work.
posted by octothorpe at 9:29 AM on April 15, 2017 [3 favorites]
They should recast every role after 10 minutes of film or so.
posted by fmoralesc at 9:43 AM on April 15, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by fmoralesc at 9:43 AM on April 15, 2017 [1 favorite]
They should recast every role after 10 minutes of film or so.
Fifteen seconds is the traditional recast time limit for star wars.
posted by fomhar at 9:55 AM on April 15, 2017 [5 favorites]
Fifteen seconds is the traditional recast time limit for star wars.
posted by fomhar at 9:55 AM on April 15, 2017 [5 favorites]
They should recast every role after 10 minutes of film or so.
If I was to make a Saints Row film, this would be exactly like I'd cast the Boss. 6 actors and actresses, each playing the Boss in their own style for around 10-20 minutes.
posted by lmfsilva at 10:49 AM on April 15, 2017 [1 favorite]
If I was to make a Saints Row film, this would be exactly like I'd cast the Boss. 6 actors and actresses, each playing the Boss in their own style for around 10-20 minutes.
posted by lmfsilva at 10:49 AM on April 15, 2017 [1 favorite]
The other Darren. The other Becky.
Yes, obviously, that's a good choice.
posted by hippybear at 12:09 PM on April 15, 2017
Yes, obviously, that's a good choice.
posted by hippybear at 12:09 PM on April 15, 2017
'Hey Doctor, look at these Americans talk about recasting'
'I know James, they'll never get it right. Albus, I don't know how you're shaking these martinis, but you've gotta regenerate mine'
posted by adept256 at 12:32 PM on April 15, 2017 [1 favorite]
'I know James, they'll never get it right. Albus, I don't know how you're shaking these martinis, but you've gotta regenerate mine'
posted by adept256 at 12:32 PM on April 15, 2017 [1 favorite]
And then the triumphant return of Original Becky!
posted by Chrysostom at 12:34 PM on April 15, 2017
posted by Chrysostom at 12:34 PM on April 15, 2017
The Triumphant Return Of The Original Becky is going to be the title of my one-man Broadway show.
posted by hippybear at 12:45 PM on April 15, 2017 [11 favorites]
posted by hippybear at 12:45 PM on April 15, 2017 [11 favorites]
It would make a great early 90's college rock album title, too
posted by jason_steakums at 6:02 PM on April 15, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by jason_steakums at 6:02 PM on April 15, 2017 [2 favorites]
This isn't the last Jedi, it's just going to be the last Jedi taught in the old ways. Rey will be the first of some sort of new Jedi, schooled in some new methods, probably that of harnessing fear, hate and love. Or at least facing those feelings rather than trying to surpress them.
There's no way Disney is just going to stop using such a trademark name.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 12:19 PM on April 16, 2017 [2 favorites]
There's no way Disney is just going to stop using such a trademark name.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 12:19 PM on April 16, 2017 [2 favorites]
They wouldn't need to. They have umpty-thousand years of Old Republic Jedi to fuck around with.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 1:54 PM on April 16, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 1:54 PM on April 16, 2017 [2 favorites]
Good point! Be surprising if there aren't Jedi the next movie though.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:22 PM on April 16, 2017
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 3:22 PM on April 16, 2017
Episode IX: Where Are The Jedi?
Episode IX: We Found Some More
Episode IX: It's Just Blasters From Now On
I mean, the titles practically write themselves!
posted by hippybear at 4:13 PM on April 16, 2017 [6 favorites]
Episode IX: We Found Some More
Episode IX: It's Just Blasters From Now On
I mean, the titles practically write themselves!
posted by hippybear at 4:13 PM on April 16, 2017 [6 favorites]
jason_steakums: "It would make a great early 90's college rock album title, too"
My early 90's college rock band is called Donna Martin Graduates.
posted by Chrysostom at 7:05 PM on April 16, 2017
My early 90's college rock band is called Donna Martin Graduates.
posted by Chrysostom at 7:05 PM on April 16, 2017
It's actually a wacky summer camp movie set at Luke's new Jedi academy; audiences will be delighted to find out that the full line is, "the last Jedi in is a rotten egg!"
posted by mubba at 7:11 PM on April 16, 2017
posted by mubba at 7:11 PM on April 16, 2017
"It's time for the Jedi to end capitalism."
posted by straight at 6:26 AM on April 17, 2017 [2 favorites]
posted by straight at 6:26 AM on April 17, 2017 [2 favorites]
Make The Jedi Great Again!
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:39 AM on April 17, 2017 [1 favorite]
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 7:39 AM on April 17, 2017 [1 favorite]
This isn't the last Jedi, it's just going to be the last Jedi taught in the old ways
I think there's a bit that might be misdirection in this trailer; having now had a chance to watch it on a full screen and with actual decent sound other than my phone speakers, I'm not sure that it is Luke saying the "time for the Jedi to end" line; there's a notable change/cut between "I only know one thing" and the next line and it is distorted enough that I'm not sure who says it. I also think the "it's so much bigger" line is probably dropped in out of context. It could be referring to the current conception of the Force; it could be referring to the larger threat that Snoke & the First Order represents.
I do think that Luke is coming back with some new insight into the Force, and that the concept of balance is going to be key here; it might also be what is going on with the Knights of Ren, who appear to be a group of Force users in the more "dark side" tradition but appears to break the rule of two that the Sith seem to have always operated on.
posted by nubs at 9:14 AM on April 18, 2017 [1 favorite]
I think there's a bit that might be misdirection in this trailer; having now had a chance to watch it on a full screen and with actual decent sound other than my phone speakers, I'm not sure that it is Luke saying the "time for the Jedi to end" line; there's a notable change/cut between "I only know one thing" and the next line and it is distorted enough that I'm not sure who says it. I also think the "it's so much bigger" line is probably dropped in out of context. It could be referring to the current conception of the Force; it could be referring to the larger threat that Snoke & the First Order represents.
I do think that Luke is coming back with some new insight into the Force, and that the concept of balance is going to be key here; it might also be what is going on with the Knights of Ren, who appear to be a group of Force users in the more "dark side" tradition but appears to break the rule of two that the Sith seem to have always operated on.
posted by nubs at 9:14 AM on April 18, 2017 [1 favorite]
I'm not sure that it is Luke saying the "time for the Jedi to end" line
Not this is is 100% bulletproof, but you can see his mouth moving on the "to end" bit. He's in shadow, so I guess maybe it's someone else, or maybe someone has taken the form of Luke, but those seem like pretty unlikely options to me. I'm sure there's some amount of misdirection going on, but I would be moderately surprised if it's not Luke saying that particular line in more or less the form it's presented here.
posted by Copronymus at 10:55 AM on April 18, 2017
Not this is is 100% bulletproof, but you can see his mouth moving on the "to end" bit. He's in shadow, so I guess maybe it's someone else, or maybe someone has taken the form of Luke, but those seem like pretty unlikely options to me. I'm sure there's some amount of misdirection going on, but I would be moderately surprised if it's not Luke saying that particular line in more or less the form it's presented here.
posted by Copronymus at 10:55 AM on April 18, 2017
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