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June 9, 2017 8:03 PM   Subscribe

 
Also released was the first movie poster, which has drawn both criticism as a poor Photoshop job and praise for its resemblance to an iconic photo of Black Panther Party founder Huey P. Newton.
posted by nicebookrack at 8:04 PM on June 9 [1 favorite]


Marvel I love you and this is the first trailer for the most! iconic! black! superhero! ever!, so WHY ARE THE WHITE DUDES THE ONLY ONES TALKING ONSCREEN
posted by nicebookrack at 8:07 PM on June 9 [48 favorites]


Clicked expecting for some reason a docudrama about the 60's urban revolutionary Black Panther Party. Was quite impressed initially as it seem like they had taken over a secret area in South America. Disorienting.
posted by sammyo at 8:11 PM on June 9 [12 favorites]


That trailer is pleasingly expensive looking after the dorky Greg Land style photoshop poster. I'm looking forwards to this one.
posted by Artw at 8:17 PM on June 9 [1 favorite]


Jacked, dare I say it, to the tits. Loved me some T'Challa for a long, long time.
posted by Samizdata at 8:28 PM on June 9 [1 favorite]


Always wondered where the people who used to do our ugly box art went to work... mystery solved.
posted by WaterAndPixels at 8:33 PM on June 9


I really love this trailer, and after Creed, Coogler and Michael B Jordan can do no wrong. I did not see Fruitvale but I heard that was also very good.
posted by Lord_Pall at 8:33 PM on June 9 [1 favorite]


Marvel I love you and this is the first trailer for the most! iconic! black! superhero! ever!, so WHY ARE THE WHITE DUDES THE ONLY ONES TALKING ONSCREEN

I had that thought, too. Thing is, my second thought was that Ryan Coogler probably okay'd this and if he's cool with it I'm good with it 'cause damn is this fucking great.

I can't wait for this movie. Christopher Priest's run on Black Panther is some of the greatest comics I've ever read, and I see the influence. I can't wait. I can't even.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 8:44 PM on June 9 [2 favorites]


? I'm not sure who's speaking in the second half of the trailer, but it sure sounds like the Wakandan accent to me?

This trailer looks verrrry promising. Honestly, though, I hardly even need a good plot out of this one, just a couple hours of dazzling Afro-futurism would make me happy.
posted by praemunire at 8:44 PM on June 9 [11 favorites]


The white guys are the only ones you see speak. The others are voice-overs.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 8:47 PM on June 9 [1 favorite]


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posted by Fizz at 9:07 PM on June 9 [16 favorites]


I'm not even sorry Cortex.
posted by Fizz at 9:07 PM on June 9 [17 favorites]


No YOU just watched that Black Panther trailer 8 times in a row!?!
posted by Fizz at 9:09 PM on June 9 [17 favorites]


While I've been vaguely interested in comic lore, and had read the standards like Watchmen or Sandman, it was pure curiosity when Ta-Nehisi Coates started writing that got me actually buying comics. Hooked instantly and I've been enjoying this recent Black Panther run ever since.

So while other Marvel movies seemed neat enough, this is the first time I'm looking forward to one, with investment in the characters already and some hopes and fears about what we'll see. It's exciting.
posted by traveler_ at 9:12 PM on June 9 [2 favorites]


It's embarrassing for me to admit I didn't even notice on the first watch that the two white guys had the only on-screen speaking in it—though in my defense I was busy wiping up the drool left behind on my desk by watching Chadwick Boseman.

But I can also say that what I did notice my first time watching was the nice juxtaposition of Mr Watson being lead down a garden path into spouting stereotypes while simultaneously introducing an entire African society operating at a Tony Stark-level of technology—one it is made clear at the same time to have the wherewithal to keep it secret for ages, just because they can. That juxtaposition pleases me.
posted by los pantalones del muerte at 9:14 PM on June 9 [11 favorites]


There's so much to unpack. The cast. The wardrobe. The environment. The Run the Jewels beats that get you nothing but hype?!?!
posted by Fizz at 9:15 PM on June 9 [6 favorites]


Also thought it was about the Black Panthers, dang. Looks cool though.
posted by soakimbo at 9:29 PM on June 9


And yeah, I know Coates isn't involved in the film (as far as I know) but that final line: "it's hard for a good man to be a great king" gives me hope that they've got the theme right. Somewhere between the cyber-jets and the explosions.

Also yes that beat is awesome, but I heard someone once call that sort of horn sound "elephant farts" and now that's all I hear.
posted by traveler_ at 9:38 PM on June 9


For everyone else admiring the aesthetic, the production designer is Hannah Beachler, also the production designer for Moonlight, Creed, Fruitvale Station, and Beyoncé's Lemonade.
fuck!
yes!

And the song is Run The Jewels - Legend Has It. Run The Jewels influenced the Black Panther comic, too.
posted by nicebookrack at 9:48 PM on June 9 [25 favorites]


The most interesting thing about the poster, though, is the fact that it’s a teaser itself for a proper teaser trailer dropping later tonight.

Oh, for the love of God.
posted by MrBadExample at 9:53 PM on June 9 [5 favorites]


As to only white guys speaking in the trailer. There would be two reasons for this. The first is simply the obvious concern over white audience attendance to the movie, where audiences may have been somewhat acclimatized by now to "a" black character being a star in a movie they'll go see, but one with many black characters has often been treated as being therefore a "black movie", one about things only of minority interest, no matter how good the movie might be.

Happily though the other reason is pretty much suggested by the trailer, where the Martin Freeman's character's view of Wakanda, and through that Africa and in extension South America, is of it all being a bunch of third world countries not worthy of notice or mention. The "secret" of a African advanced culture is one a blinkered white would hold, which suggests not hearing the many black people shown in the trailer, even as the real wonders of Wakanda are being revealed in the images we see, thus proving the lie of the statements in the foreground. It's a clever subtextual way to spark interest in the film that allows the producers to sort of have it both ways in the lead up to the movie.
posted by gusottertrout at 11:28 PM on June 9 [21 favorites]


Ok, I gotta say it. The fpp title pun is awful. It's bad and you should feel bad.

(Nah. I'm kidding about the feels. But that's a poor pun. I won't stop thinking about it's awfulness for days.)
posted by greermahoney at 11:52 PM on June 9 [1 favorite]


WHY ARE THE WHITE DUDES THE ONLY ONES TALKING ONSCREEN

lol I was flicking through the options for how this would be shown to have Not Measured Up but that didn't occur to me, points for doing it in the second post though. I thought the bland white dudes talking made the wickedly cool black people not talking more rather than less cool. it is a teaser, after all.
posted by Sebmojo at 2:08 AM on June 10 [7 favorites]


I thought black panther was sort of meh in the avengers movie, but this trailer looks fucking awesome.
posted by empath at 3:34 AM on June 10


I am so excited to see this movie. I want there to be an entire culture that gets to be futuristic and Tony-Stark levels of cool AND ALSO NOT WHITE-IFIED. (Is that a word? Could it please be a word?) Because, well, because science and cool tech should be for everyone. Even though they're pretend, the Wakandans get to be high tech while still remaining themselves and I am so totally on board with that.
posted by which_chick at 3:57 AM on June 10 [3 favorites]


After they finish talking about Wakanda, these two are gonna team up to find the One Ring.
posted by AlonzoMosleyFBI at 4:24 AM on June 10 [9 favorites]


This looks very cool. I'm not too familiar with Black Panther but, y'know, neither is most of the world, so I think it's badass that this is going to be hitting the screen in 2018. It will be people flipping through the air and fighting and explosions, like all other Marvel movies, but so what? His costume is fucking badass as hell.
posted by turbid dahlia at 4:25 AM on June 10


I did not expect to hear RTJ on a trailer produced by Disney. Although, in the same way they only had Serkis and Freeman talking on screen, maybe they should have used a clip with Killer Mike rapping, rather than El-P?
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 5:43 AM on June 10 [3 favorites]


Apparently everyone on the internet is a photoshop expert except for me. The article linked above says there is "distractingly poor Photoshop work" throughout the poster, but fails to cite any examples. Anyone here care to point some out?
posted by noneuclidean at 6:13 AM on June 10


T'challa's head is obviously pasted on his body, which is obviously pasted on the throne. The lighting just doesn't match up, and the proportions are a bit off as well. Unless Chadwick Boseman has an abnormally large head, which I don't think is the case.
posted by tobascodagama at 6:56 AM on June 10 [3 favorites]


This looks awesome and I can't wait to see it. But I'm a bit confused about the reception of this vs. Doctor Strange. Everyone pilloried Doctor Strange for its exotic orientalism, its grounding in racist ideas. But isn't this just the same kind of exoticization, only African instead? Is the important difference that the star is Black, not the problematic white casting with Tilda Swinton? And if so does it matter that he's American, not from Africa? Or maybe the difference in reception is that portrayals of African culture are so rare in American cinema that we're hungry for anything, even an over the top comic book portrayal?

I'm not trying to start a fight here; FWIW I liked Doctor Strange and I think I'll like this Black Panther movie, too. I enjoyed Doctor Strange for its fictional conceit based in Victorian European Orientalism. This Black Panther movie looks steeped in a similar sort of conceit only African, not Asian. It seems just as comic book ridiculous, and it also looks well done and I can't wait to see more.

Perhaps this would all make more sense to me if I'd read the comic books.
posted by Nelson at 7:27 AM on June 10 [1 favorite]


It's like they Marvel-fied the opening and ending of Coming to America. This is not a complaint. I can't wait.
posted by Fizz at 7:31 AM on June 10 [9 favorites]


Short answer: Where Doctor Strange plays up mystical orientalist stereotypes, the Black Panther mythos very deliberately subverts the corresponding stereotype of Africa as a backwards, "savage" continent -- Wakanda is using that image as a front for a super-advanced science-fictional society straight out of Afrofuturist SF.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 7:36 AM on June 10 [42 favorites]


Are there people out there who find afrofuturism problematic? I mean, probably, but it seems like a pretty quiet minority if they do. And yeah, it seems like having black actors and and black director is significant here.
posted by Artw at 7:38 AM on June 10 [10 favorites]


Yes, the idea is that Wakanda leveraged its control of vibranium to build an incredibly advanced society that refuses to deal with the colonial powers, which is more or less the exact opposite of the grim historical record for many African countries.

Also, T'Challa doesn't exist merely to forward the story of some white dude.
posted by praemunire at 7:44 AM on June 10 [17 favorites]


Thanks for explaining the Afrofuturism and the subversion of the Exotic Africa trope. I'm not very smart and totally glossed over that in my first watch of the trailer, like the spaceship just didn't make sense and didn't register. gusottertrout's comment about having it both ways may apply to me, I'm embarrassed to say.
posted by Nelson at 7:45 AM on June 10 [3 favorites]


Holy shit are they doing A Nation Under Our Feet? A lot of that looks like bits of Ta-Nehisi Coates story.
posted by Made of Star Stuff at 7:50 AM on June 10 [4 favorites]


I thought black panther was sort of meh in the avengers movie...

You mean Civil War? Yeah, they shoved a whole lot of character building (and very little exposition) into the him, which, if you don't know any back story, kind of gives you a weird vibe. In a lot of ways his story arc in Civil War was what most of us expected out of the "Black Panther" movie to be about.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 8:17 AM on June 10


The part I'm looking forward to? I'm looking forward to culture warrior fanboys complaining that Wakanda, pretty much exactly as envisioned by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in 1966, is Marvel bowing to the sinister forces of political correctness! I don't know what I'll do to tide myself over between the time they stop crying into their pillows about Wonder Woman being a really good movie and then, but come next February, I shall feast!

Mmmmmm, delicious culture warrior fanboy tears.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 8:25 AM on June 10 [20 favorites]


I never look forwards to those tedious fucks, but yes, their whining is inevitable.
posted by Artw at 8:31 AM on June 10 [3 favorites]


Also yes that beat is awesome, but I heard someone once call that sort of horn sound "elephant farts" and now that's all I hear.
posted by traveler_ at 12:38 AM


I don't think it sounds anything like that.
posted by Nanukthedog at 8:33 AM on June 10


If telling a Vox Day follower that they should read "Aye, and Gomorrah..." because "It's a science fiction story from the good old days where spacers are fetishized by the mere Earthbound. They won't print a story like that these days! Everything has to be politically correct now!" is wrong, I don't want to be right.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 8:51 AM on June 10 [8 favorites]


Marvel’s Black Panther Trailer: Here’s What We Know, a breakdown of the trailer highlighting some story bits.
posted by Nelson at 9:06 AM on June 10 [2 favorites]


I can't remember the last time I had to pause a trailer so many times to just look at all the amazing costumes and set designs. Did you see the Voltron-style panther guns and vibranium aerobies with which Shuri and Nakia were about to ruin the day of someone who clearly deserves it? Is that guy with the green disk in his mouth Achebe? (IMDB just calls him a River Tribe Elder. I guess I only say that because Achebe had weird stretched-out ears?)
posted by straight at 9:10 AM on June 10 [4 favorites]


Yesss

Black Panther was like the only part of Civil War I remembered

I walked out of the theatre with my friend and he was all we could talk about
posted by airmail at 9:28 AM on June 10 [1 favorite]


Wakanda is using that image as a front for a super-advanced science-fictional society straight out of Afrofuturist SF.

The obvious real life example is Ethopia: long history, oldest Christian country in the world, fought off Italian colonialism multiple times, imperialistic on its own, but mostly seen as a joke in the west, perpetually starving.

Not forgetting the fact that the Black Panther and by extension, Wakanda, was created in the mid-sixties, a time when newly free countries like Gambia, Nigeria or Kenya (and other countries outside Africa) were attempting to seek a third way outside of the choice for Washington or Moscow

But isn't this just the same kind of exoticization, only African instead?

As said above, Wakanda takes the idea of tribal, primitive Black Africa and turns it on its head, being a more advanced society that hides this behind a veneer of Black African sterreotypes. It's important that Wakanda isn't westernised, but a country that took its own path, kept its own traditions and values and yet is still more technological advanced than America or Europe.

The execution of this in comics has not always been the greatest of course, considering that until Christopher Priest, it had been well intentioned, liberal white writers guiding T'Challa and those do not always recognise their own blindspots.

There is always the danger that the movie too will want to create an independent, African tradition & look for Wakanda and end up with a hodge podge of elements plucked from all over the continent.

the 60's urban revolutionary Black Panther Party.

Which incidently was founded in October 1966, while the Black Panther's first appearance in FF #52 was cover dated July '66 (so in reality came out even earlier), in case you might think Kirby stole the idea from the party. Originally Kirby named him the Coal Tiger which, just, no.
posted by MartinWisse at 9:49 AM on June 10 [14 favorites]


Happily though the other reason is pretty much suggested by the trailer, where the Martin Freeman's character's view of Wakanda, and through that Africa and in extension South America, is of it all being a bunch of third world countries not worthy of notice or mention. The "secret" of a African advanced culture is one a blinkered white would hold, which suggests not hearing the many black people shown in the trailer, even as the real wonders of Wakanda are being revealed in the images we see, thus proving the lie of the statements in the foreground.

Worth considering: The slow zoom-in on Freeman's face while Klaw talks can be read more than one way. There's realization coming there. I see two possibilities. Either it's "Oh my god I was wrong about Wakanda holy shit," or what may be more likely given what Freeman's character has been exposed to: "Oh my god, Klaw knows."

We won't know 'til the movie comes out, and it's probably gonna be the former, but there's a decent chance it's the latter instead.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 9:52 AM on June 10 [3 favorites]


Kriss, the editor in chief of the MTR (Movie TV Review) Network has some good thoughts wait for Black Panther that are worth hearing out. I don't know how on board I am with it all, but it's a perspective worth considering, at least.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 9:56 AM on June 10 [1 favorite]


Movie rumors have it that where T'challa was like those wings were Wakanda designed dumbed down in Civil War is the set up for his sister in this movie, who is an inventor even better than Stark and makes all the Black Panther gagdets. And I am so here for that.
posted by 80 Cats in a Dog Suit at 10:36 AM on June 10


Originally Kirby named him the Coal Tiger which, just, no.

AAAHHHH, for so many reasons

1. tigers do not now and never have lived in Africa
2. "coal" ??!?!?

Ok, maybe just two
posted by pullayup at 12:13 PM on June 10


Also it's kind of nice that although most of the African characters in the movie were created by white dudes, the main white (audience POV?) character was created by the awesome Christopher Priest (who is African-American). And wow, I can't imagine a better actor for the role than Martin Freeman.
posted by straight at 12:14 PM on June 10 [3 favorites]


It's highly, highly unlikely we'll see Mephisto in this, but I would love to see Freeman's Everett Ross get the infinite pants curse.
posted by jason_steakums at 12:45 PM on June 10 [2 favorites]


Marvel I love you and this is the first trailer for the most! iconic! black! superhero! ever!, so WHY ARE THE WHITE DUDES THE ONLY ONES TALKING ONSCREEN

Yasssss, lets focus on the white characters here, amidst this glinpse of Afro Futurism, good choice.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 1:06 PM on June 10 [11 favorites]


It's highly, highly unlikely we'll see Mephisto in this, but I would love to see Freeman's Everett Ross get the infinite pants curse.

This also led to Black Panther "meeting" Mephisto, which was one of the greatest kick-ass hero moments in our out of comics. That more than anything else spelled out how T'Challa is Not To Be Fucked With. I'm kinda sad we're not likely to see that moment in the films because damn.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 1:15 PM on June 10


Coal Tiger? Ugh. I'd say no, Kirby wouldn't do such an idiotic thing, then I think about all his other character names and withdraw the objection.

(Sorry Jack, I luv ya, but while sometimes simple is powerful, but other times it gets ugly real fast.)
posted by gusottertrout at 1:44 PM on June 10


::head asplodey::
posted by Faintdreams at 3:41 PM on June 10


Coming off the high of Wonder Woman, I would like to spend an entire movie with the Dora Milaje and Shuri, please and thank you. Their ARMOR oh my god.
posted by yasaman at 3:51 PM on June 10 [1 favorite]


I'd be curious to see a source for the Coal Tiger story, which seems unlikely when the more obvious choice was sitting right there.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 4:06 PM on June 10


Here's a Wikipedia page that links to a Comics Should Be Good mention of it I gather. I didn't actually look though since the Wikipedia page is about the actual Marvel comics Coal Tiger, created in 1999. 1999! Coal Tiger is also evidently an alternative universe name for T'Challa. They liked the name so much they used it twice.
posted by gusottertrout at 4:47 PM on June 10 [1 favorite]




Non-comic book reader here with serious, non-snark question: can someone please explain to me how if Wakanda is such an awesome technological society, how they hide it in our current world and make them look third world-ish? You'd think drones would have noticed something by now?
posted by jenfullmoon at 7:15 PM on June 10


I think it's some combination of Wakandan technology being so advanced they can use it to hide even in the modern era, and other governments /SHIELD-type-organizations conspiring to keep the secret hidden from the rest of the world.
posted by straight at 7:39 PM on June 10 [1 favorite]


Needs more Sun Ra. And Drexciya.
posted by Joseph Gurl at 7:55 PM on June 10 [4 favorites]


Plus, they don't live in "our current world", they live in MCU Earth, which looks a lot like our current world, but has tech that includes holographic computer displays and aircraft carriers that can hover in mid-air. Conventional drones would probably give the Wakandans no more problems than Francis Gary Powers' U-2 gave Soviet antiaircraft missiles. As far as spy satellites go... I dunno, really big holographic camouflage projectors?
posted by Halloween Jack at 10:15 PM on June 10


Even easier: Wakandan computer virus implanted in every satellite photoshops all signs of them out.
posted by BungaDunga at 10:20 PM on June 10 [1 favorite]


Also, wakanda is HUGE on tradition, and a serious portion of their population chooses to live off the land in remote tribes that do hunter-gatherer stuff, like an even bigger proportion than USA's wannabe coalminer/farmer coalition in our tiny remote towns and two-hour-commute-suburbs. They just go to the somewhat small capital for transwarp physics college degrees and stuff, then go back to the boonies to raise their kids in the fresh air with a big damn yard.

It's easier to pretend something is true if it is mostly true.
posted by fomhar at 11:12 PM on June 10 [1 favorite]


Are there people out there who find afrofuturism problematic?

Oh, I'm sure that the Rabid Puppies and friends will find the idea of an advanced, independent Africa to be all kinds of wrong. Fuck 'em.

I mean, for some perspective: thirty five years ago, when I was in my teens, and scripting out my first SF world for a game, I actually struggled with the idea that based on demographics, at most 1/8 of the characters should be white, in direct opposition to nearly all of the Science Fiction I had seen. The dissonance only stopped when I looked myself in the mirror and asked myself why I should even see it as an issue. So: a lot of the Rabid/Sad Puppies, people in their 30s and 40s haven't progressed beyond my 17 year-old self. So yeah, they WILL have problems. But they won't see themselves as having a problem, just with the "worldbuilding".

I mean, probably, but it seems like a pretty quiet minority if they do.

Oh give them, time, I'm sure they'll find all kinds of places to yell to high heavens about "It's totally rasisist!". But at least it wasn't directed by or starring a woman.
posted by happyroach at 12:07 AM on June 11 [1 favorite]


You'd think drones...

I'm actually mildly curious about how they handle this, myself, because I think the way these kinds of stories evolve over time is interesting. Wakanda was created during a time when contemporary "secret worlds" were a lot more popular and credible, because we didn't have the kind of mapping and surveillance technology we do now. They really had their heyday earlier, but there wasn't yet the "but whattabout satellites?" problem.

It looks like the city we're shown isn't underground or anything like that, so my best guess is some kind of holographic shield over developed areas. If it looked like outsiders expected a Wakandan city/town to look like, that could explain movement of people in and out.
posted by Kutsuwamushi at 4:16 AM on June 11 [4 favorites]


Yeah, the "hidden civilization" thing has been a trope since the time when Westerners really didn't know what was in the interior of entire continents, and has been so narratively convenient that comics has kept it ever since.

In the comic, Coates chose to work a lot with the concept that Wakanda was the most advanced nation on earth, and yet has a completely regressive political structure, and also ran into unexpected trouble with other metahumans. It'll be interesting to see if the same themes come up in the movie. (FWIW, Coates has said he has no input in the movie.)
posted by zompist at 1:41 PM on June 11 [1 favorite]


Seriously y'all, these screenshots look amazing.
posted by Brandon Blatcher at 6:50 PM on June 11 [1 favorite]


Shoutout to the Basotho blanket Angela Bassett is wearing. As a South African that detail jumped right off the screen at me.
posted by PenDevil at 1:55 AM on June 12


I know next to nothing about Black Panther and am greatly looking forward to seeing a movie that is (a) unburdened by my expectations; and (b) visually astounding.
posted by DrAstroZoom at 8:38 AM on June 12 [1 favorite]


I DEMAND A MARVEL/DC CROSSOVER MOVIE. It should entirely consist of badassed Wakandan warrior women hanging out with the Amazon army on spring break, with lots of ice cream and sparring.
posted by rmd1023 at 6:34 AM on June 13


Also, for massive amounts of squee for this movie, the twitter hastag #BlackPantherSoLIT has been sporadically going wild since the movie was announced. I figure Black Twitter is just going to swamp all of twitter for a day or two once the movie opens.
posted by rmd1023 at 6:39 AM on June 13


I hope there are some all-black showings of this movie. No honkies allowed.

You laugh, but it's already a false flag alt-reich operation doing the rounds of Twitter. "Hur hur we pretend to be liberals and ask everybody to stay away from opening night so our black friends can have the movie to themselves, so tanking the box office hur hur".
posted by MartinWisse at 2:09 PM on June 14 [1 favorite]


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