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Post number 16757

Ty Webb — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:30:13 -0800

Kissinger: Wanted for Questioning. ...as his list of possible vacation spots grows smaller,smaller. Christopher Hitchens details the ever more complex legal situation of former U.S. Sec. of State Henry Kissinger, who is now wanted for questioning by courts in Chile, Spain, and France. Writes Hitchens: "Recently, I was informed via the former Spanish ambassador to the United States that Kissinger had approached the embassy asking whether he would be safe if he visited Spain. These days he does not travel without legal advice."

By: donkeyschlong

donkeyschlong — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:50:50 -0800

There are times I'd like to see Madeleine Albright receive the same "hospitality."

By: n9

n9 — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:16:00 -0800

I'd personally love to mickey the old f*ck's cocktail and plop him on a plane to Chile. That would make for some interesting newsreading. What a bastard. Makes me wish I believed in the Christian afterlife just so I'd be sure he'd get his.

By: cedar

cedar — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:38:56 -0800

I think we should honor extradition and/or material witness requests the same we expect other countries to honor ours. Let's see, some terrorist nutjobs attack us, so in the process of a justified retaliation we scoop up a couple thousand people associated with them and ship them to Cuba, where they are held in virtual seclusion pending the beginning of legal action (once Ashcroft figures out how to finagle the Constitution into allowing secret trials without due process or legal representation). Meanwhile, Henry the K. who bears a large measure of responsibility for military coups and assasinations in several countries and helped plan the illegal bombing of an entire nation is out writing books and doing the talk show circuit. Yeah, nice to know the US is here to show the rest of the world where the moral high-ground lies.

By: whoshotwho

whoshotwho — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:55:00 -0800

Send him up. Kissinger is a war criminal of the lowest moral grade and should be put through the same processes we recommend for people like him.

By: schlyer

schlyer — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:03:00 -0800

I think we should honor extradition and/or material witness requests the same we expect other countries to honor ours. Thats just not going to happen. Maybe when other countries start handing over everybody we ask for - instead of us just 'expecting' it but never receiving it - we'll return the favor.

By: samelborp

samelborp — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:11:04 -0800

This must be an error of some kind... I can't believe a former U.S. Sec. of State has been involved in illegal activities. Are you sure he wasn't fighting terrorism? Communism? Drug trade? C'mon I can't believe that! Can't be the same country! Now I must return to my planet.

By: dong_resin

dong_resin — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:31:51 -0800

By: artifex

artifex — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:42:51 -0800

I agree with you about Hitchens. His reportage is priapic at best.

By: vbfg

vbfg — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:55:49 -0800

Thats just not going to happen. Maybe when other countries start handing over everybody we ask for - instead of us just 'expecting' it but never receiving it - we'll return the favor. Perhaps when America offers evidence rather than conjecture British courts will be prepared to hand the requested parties over. You don't make extradition requests with the words "oh go on, please". Expect that to be good enough all you want, it just ain't.

By: Ty Webb

Ty Webb — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:08:15 -0800

Everything Hitchens does to me seems ego-driven and self serving, so I'm never quite sure if Hitchens disgust with Kissinger is real, or if he's just figured out that Kissinger makes a fairly easy target at this point in his life. I suppose, having nothing to contribute, you could just ignore the item and make snide comments about the writer...oh wait, you did that. I agree with you about Hitchens. His reportage is priapic at best. Hey, artifex learned a new word today! Just for fun, why don't you back up that assertion?

By: artifex

artifex — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:16:57 -0800

I'm sorry, Ty. I should talk down to you instead: Hitchens is a cock. Consider your intelligence, and mine, insulted. I don't disagree with the article, though. I just also happen to agree with dong. It's called nuance. (Evidence: anything Hitchens has written in Vanity Fair. The man seems to think he's Hemingway playing Bogie.)

By: Ty Webb

Ty Webb — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:33:55 -0800

I'm sorry, Ty. I should talk down to you instead: Hitchens is a cock. Oh, I see, you used a word you don't quite know the definition of. Understand the difference between being a cock and being overly concerned with male sexual activity or virility. There are many online dictionaries that could've helped you avoid this mistake. (Evidence: anything Hitchens has written in Vanity Fair. The man seems to think he's Hemingway playing Bogie.) You're certainly entitled to your opinion of Hitchens' work and style, but as evidence goes that's pretty weak.

By: artifex

artifex — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:02:17 -0800

Oh, I see, you used a word you don't quite know the definition of. Understand the difference between being a cock and being overly concerned with male sexual activity or virility. There are many online dictionaries that could've helped you avoid this mistake. Dude, you're really representing poorly here, but I'll humor you: pri•a•pic: adj. Of, relating to, or resembling a phallus; phallic. cock: n. Vulgar Slang. The penis. If you're still confused, I'll draw you a picture. Or maybe you'd just like to see my dick, since you seem bent on turning this into a pissing contest. You're intelligent, I'm sure. Your mommy says you are, okay? Settle down. Jiz. I mean, jeez. I can't believe you lectured us about ad hominem attacks and then proceeded to maul me (imprecisely, poorly) on that very same basis. You suck.

By: bittennails

bittennails — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:04:31 -0800

*steps in gently* Well, I for one liked the article, not being familiar with Kissinger's past exploits, it was good to read, but it seems harsh that he fixates on him though, they were secret meetings, right. I don't think that quite fits in with the concept of principle of "universal jurisdiction" that he suggests against the former.

By: Ty Webb

Ty Webb — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:24:03 -0800

artifex:If you're still confused, I'll draw you a picture. Or maybe you'd just like to see my dick, since you seem bent on turning this into a pissing contest. See, now that's priapic! Overly concerned with virility or with the phallus, not the phallus itself. You're getting it! I know these nuances are hard to understand when learning english as a second language, but keep at it. bittennails: I don't think that quite fits in with the concept of principle of "universal jurisdiction" that he suggests against the former. bittennails, correct me if I misunderstand you: You don't think universal jurisdiction applies the fact that Kissinger planned, aided, and abetted crimes in other countries?

By: clavdivs

clavdivs — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:28:43 -0800

i say ask him walk a mile along some street in Phenom Pehn. in shoes made from tires. Henry: "oh im quite busy that week"

By: bittennails

bittennails — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:35:25 -0800

No, TyWebb, applies to all the others as well (in those meetings he mentions), just wondering aloud why hitchens focuses on him so much. I know at some level it is his job, but...

By: artifex

artifex — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:44:05 -0800

Okay, Ty. You're being deliberately dense and petty. I linked to a definition, made my point rather explicitly. You seem to be one of those insecure people who sees someone else using words that you, in your small-mindedness, regard as "big" (and therefore, your "province") -- and become suitably incensed, feeling compelled to demonstrate your superior knowledge. Except you've done precisely the opposite, as often happens in such cases. There's this thing. It's called figuration. It exists at the intersection of connotation and denotation. Check it out sometime. You're tilting at windmills, dude. And no, I don't mean actual windmills. Also: I know these nuances are hard to understand when learning english as a second language, but keep at it. You sound really dumb when you say things like that. Undignified, in fact. Try respecting yourself for a change. You won't be so cranky and coltish. And no, I don't mean actual colts. Can we please drop this now, or do you have some more churlish rejoinders?

By: websavvy

websavvy — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:48:47 -0800

(not actual churls)

By: donkeyschlong

donkeyschlong — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:53:26 -0800

Hahahaha. Actually, Ty does seem like a churl. Anyway, I think arti wins. France and Ty surrender. Now what was that about Chris Hitch?

By: donkeyschlong

donkeyschlong — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:54:36 -0800

Hahahaha. Actually, Ty does seem like a churl. Anyway, I think arti wins. France and Ty surrender. Now what was that about Chris Hitch?

By: donkeyschlong

donkeyschlong — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:54:58 -0800

Damn.

By: Ty Webb

Ty Webb — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:57:52 -0800

Okay, Ty. You're being deliberately dense and petty. I linked to a definition, made my point rather explicitly. I agree that this is a bit silly and off-topic, but I asked you to explain why you thought that Hitchens work was priapic, and you responded that 'he is a cock.' That's a bit like you asking me to explain why I think Edgar Allan Poe's work is morbid, and me responding that 'he's dead.'

By: artifex

artifex — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:04:00 -0800

That's a bit like you asking me to explain why I think Edgar Allan Poe's work is morbid, and me responding that 'he's dead. Actually, that's pretty witty. (Grins.) Bygones, mate. No hard penises. Er, I mean feelings. Hehe.

By: kliuless

kliuless — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:06:49 -0800

this is really OT, but i thought it was cool. there're two ways to say priapism: priapic and priapic :) oh and btw...

The Word of the Day for April 30 is: divagate • \DYE-vuh-gayt or DIH-vuh-gayt\ • (verb) : to wander or stray from a course or subject : diverge, digress Example sentence: Whenever the discussion divagated from its purpose, the moderator would bring it back on track. Did you know? "Divagate" hasn't wandered far in meaning from its Latin ancestors. It descends from the verb "divagari," which comes from "dis-," meaning "apart," and "vagari," meaning "to wander." "Vagari" also gave us "vagabond," meaning "one who wanders," and "extravagant," the archaic original sense of which was "wandering away." Additionally, it is probably the source of our noun "vagary," which now usually means "whim, caprice" but originally meant "journey, excursion, tour." Even the word "stray" may have evolved from "vagari," by way of Vulgar Latin "extravagare" and Middle French "estraier." Today, "divagate" can suggest a wandering or straying that is literal ("the hikers divagated from the trail"), but it is more often used figuratively ("she tends to divagate from the subject").

stichomancy!

By: Ty Webb

Ty Webb — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:16:38 -0800

Much love, artifex. No offense meant or taken.

By: Opus Dark

Opus Dark — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:18:19 -0800

How can one not be inspired to pump Google for "phalliculitis"? How can one not be surprised to hit this hit: You turn the dictionary leaf With one claw to the word phalliculitis, And your spittle soaks the catnip sock of TIME.

By: clavdivs

clavdivs — Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:28:20 -0800

my god...thats henrys cat. 'quelist' if by any other name.

By: Optamystic

Optamystic — Wed, 01 May 2002 03:13:58 -0800

Not to get all huggy on ya'll, but this thread is, hands down, the funniest flame-fest I've ever read.

By: niceness

niceness — Wed, 01 May 2002 06:55:12 -0800

Getting bck to Kissinger: I think he's a cunt.