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Top 10 most re-watched episodes of Star Trek on Netflix

(I couldn't find a link to the original content, presumably Netflix sent it out as PR for the new show. This is the best write-up I saw but there are a lot of different write-ups, mostly from vindicated Voyager fans.)
posted by kittensofthenight (82 comments total) 17 users marked this as a favorite
 
I'm a lifelong Trekkie. This list is absolutely baffling and I do not understand it. However, in true IDIC fashion, I accept it.
posted by Automocar at 5:17 PM on September 13 [12 favorites]


At this point, I've seen every episode of TNG so many times that I tend to single out the same favorites. My personal favorites to rewatch aren't necessarily the best episodes, but the ones I like putting on at the end of what is usually a long and stressful day. So, like, Devil's Due.

And we're watching DS9, but yeah, we're going through in order, so there's no reason to rewatch anything.

Also, now that we're revisiting DS9, I've realized that Sisko is my favorite captain. Although it's been years since I watched Voyager, so that's not a knock against Janeway so much as a preference over Picard and Kirk (I don't even know Captain Bacula's character's name).
posted by shapes that haunt the dusk at 5:20 PM on September 13 [8 favorites]


Wait, Voyager made it back to Earth? As someone who only watches TV randomly when other people have it on, I did not know this.

I don't have the time or energy to watch it now though.
posted by MikeWarot at 5:22 PM on September 13


I wasn't even able to watch most of Voyager one time.
posted by octothorpe at 5:28 PM on September 13 [8 favorites]


Writing a bot to boost the Gorn episode.
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 5:29 PM on September 13 [11 favorites]


It's mostly not that baffling - the list mostly encompasses the arc of the Borg through the TNG-era, starting with them as a cosmic threat (Q Who), and ending with Janeway completely roflstomping them because Reasons in Endgame.

The non-Borg stuff really is bizarre though: I'm not sure I've ever watched Clue after the original airing, and I only reviewed Time And Again for the Voyager club on Fanfare.
posted by mordax at 5:31 PM on September 13 [4 favorites]


Oh, obligatory plug for the Voyager threads on Fanfare: picking Voyager apart makes Voyager fun again!
posted by mordax at 5:32 PM on September 13 [8 favorites]


What if it's not just episodes people like, but also episodes people didn't understand after the first viewing? You only have to watch 6 minutes for it to be considered a rewatch.
posted by shapes that haunt the dusk at 5:33 PM on September 13 [4 favorites]


I can tell you that I dropped Voyager in S5 during the original run, but went back and watched Endgame to see how everything shook out when they ran it on broadcast TV. That particular shortcut might also account for its popularity on this list, Borg stuff aside.
posted by mordax at 5:35 PM on September 13 [2 favorites]


t's mostly not that baffling - the list mostly encompasses the arc of the Borg through the TNG-era, starting with them as a cosmic threat (Q Who), and ending with Janeway completely roflstomping them because Reasons in Endgame.

Yeah, but literally the most rewatched? I still think it makes zero sense. They don't tell any kind of coherent story, anyway.
posted by Automocar at 5:36 PM on September 13


I need them to define 'rewatch.'

I rewatch a lot of stuff after I fall asleep and my netflix queue spins into the next episode of the show. I'd wonder how skewed this is towards the front end of a shows run, since 7 seasons of a 22 epsiode season is 154 hours worth of television to roughly work through for TNG alone. I also wonder how often the most boring episode is rewatched because holy fuck... some episodes can put you to sleep, and I can't count it as a perfect rewatch if I am not actually watching the show...

...and is it a rewatch if I'm watching it for nostalgia, having seen it years and years ago, or is that a watch? ...because there's no way in hell I'm watching 308 hours of TNG just to claim I rewatched all episodes once.
posted by Nanukthedog at 5:44 PM on September 13 [5 favorites]


No TOS at all? I'm baffled.
posted by Daily Alice at 5:45 PM on September 13


Obviously, "most rewatched" ≠ best, necessarily. The lack of DS9 probably reflects that that show's best episodes--"The Visitor", "Far Beyond the Stars", "In the Pale Moonlight", "Duet"--are also (and not coincidentally) some of the most emotionally wrenching and not necessarily the ones that you want to watch more than once. The popularity of episodes featuring the Borg also kind of makes sense, as they're the series' zombies. But "Time and Again"? You got me.
posted by Halloween Jack at 5:46 PM on September 13 [5 favorites]


One more and then I'll step away to avoid threadsitting:

Endgame: Like I posited above, it might have a big bump because people might be cutting straight to it rather than finishing Voyager in order.

The Best of Both Worlds: This episode is literally one of the most popular TNG episodes ever made, and deservedly so. Its inclusion is basically a given, and were it not here, I'd wonder if someone was cooking some books.

Scorpion I & II + The Gift: These are actually all the same story arc, and happen back-to-back. I would've condensed them like Dark Frontier, personally. They're also the first appearance of Seven of Nine, with The Gift being the first place she wears the infamous catsuit.

Dark Frontier: A Voyager TV movie, basically. It's been awhile, but IIRC, it was actually pretty decent, and would be liable to draw people who wanted more of what they got in First Contact.

Q Who: Borg's first appearance, and why I'm inferring people might be looking at the whole Borg arc, because it's actually not that good by itself.

9 & 10 are the only episodes where I'm really going, like, 'I wonder what's up with the score, here.'

Upon preview:
Obviously, "most rewatched" ≠ best, necessarily.

Yeah, this. Like, I hardly ever watch specific episodes of DS9 again: it's normally 'the whole damned thing' or 'not at all.' The first 8 entries on this list are mostly pretty good popcorn fare, and also Endgame.
posted by mordax at 5:50 PM on September 13 [5 favorites]


Clues might be an ep you want to watch some parts of after you have the answer to the mystery at the end.
posted by chrchr at 6:00 PM on September 13 [4 favorites]


No TOS at all? I'm baffled.

My guess is that this is because Netflix's viewers skew slightly younger than the population as a whole, so the raw numbers of viewers on Netflix skews towards people who grew up with TNG/DS9/VOY watching TNG/DS9/VOY. But I'd love to see Netflix's numbers on that.

(And on the spread between these ten episodes and the next, say, twenty?)
posted by cjelli at 6:04 PM on September 13 [1 favorite]


yeah... it's an age thing. i have rewatched so many of the OS episodes in my lifetime... SO MANY. but, y'know - as a re-run. on TV. i have never watched any Star Trek on Netflix, ever.
posted by lapolla at 6:09 PM on September 13 [1 favorite]


Allright everybody, you know what to do.

Get Sub Rosa on the list.
posted by mrgoat at 6:11 PM on September 13 [11 favorites]


Obviously, "most rewatched" ≠ best, necessarily.

Yes! All Good Things is an amazing episode, but it stays with you long enough that you don't need to rewatch it for a while.
posted by Jpfed at 6:11 PM on September 13 [1 favorite]


I had to turn on a bunch of scripting to see the list (because of course it's locked in an image). Here it is for those who don't want to read gizmodo and just wanna hash it out on the thread here:

1: Endgame parts 1 & 2 (Voyager, 7x24)
2: The Best of Both Worlds, part 1 (TNG, 3x26)
3: The Best of Both Worlds, part 2 (TNG, 4x1)
4: Scorpion: part 1 (Voy, 3x26)
5: Scorpion: part 2 (Voy, 4x1)
6: The Gift (Voy, 4x2)
7: The Dark Frontier parts 1 & 2 (Voy, 5x15)
8: Q Who? (TNG, 2x16)
9: Time and Again (Voy, 1x3)
10: Clues (TNG, 4x14)
posted by curious nu at 6:18 PM on September 13 [9 favorites]


Sorry about thay curious nu, i don't think netflix published the list on its own, just sent it to listicle sites for free advertisement.

The list doesn't reflect my Trek viewing at all, the merr presence of Voyager blew me away. Ilve watched TNG and DS9 through 2x on netflix, but on different accounts, so i guess that doesn't help. When i go back to an ep its to view specific scenes, so i normally dont watch the first 6 minutes.

Honestly I want to watch Voyager, there just isn't as clear a place to start for someone who disliked the first couple seasons and their waste of the incredibly cool premise. Like which Janeway haircut starts the good seasons!
posted by kittensofthenight at 6:33 PM on September 13


I DVR'd Assignment:Earth (the Gary Seven episode) a few weeks ago and cannot bring myself to delete it. The beginning of that episode up to when Seven escapes the Enterprise and shows up in his office is some of my favorite television of all time. There are so many good beats - Seven deflecting the nerve pinch, the first appearance of the servo, Isis leaving the briefing room to get to the transporter room - I could go on and on.

The rest of the episode doesn't hold up as well for me, and the Terri Garr scenes have aged badly, but that first act - I would have watched the hell out of that series.
posted by wittgenstein at 6:33 PM on September 13 [2 favorites]


I don't even know Captain Bacula's character's name

Jonathan Archer had a beagle named Porthos, a love of college water polo (himself having competed in the 2134 North American Water Polo Regionals against Princeton) and his dad invented the warp engine.

I need them to define 'rewatch.'


They very clearly define what they mean by a rewatch in TFA. It's buried all the way down in the 3rd paragraph and above the graphic.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 6:52 PM on September 13 [3 favorites]


kittensofthenight: s'all good! It's a neat thing to see. I wouldn't've guessed Voyager taking so many spots in a million parsecs. I can believe the absence of DS9; it was always off to the side, and Moore really amped up the serialism (I went back and watched it a couple of years ago and it's such a proto-BSG reboot in so many ways).
posted by curious nu at 7:03 PM on September 13


All Netflix viewing stats for Star Trek: The Animated Series are entirely due to my son.
posted by soren_lorensen at 7:06 PM on September 13 [4 favorites]


All Netflix viewing stats for Star Trek: The Animated Series are entirely due to my son.

I have seen every second of every live action Trek ever produced, but even I couldn't make it through the animated series. I know people say the plots are good, but I can't stand the horrible animation.
posted by Pater Aletheias at 7:11 PM on September 13 [2 favorites]


Jonathan Archer['s] dad invented the warp engine.

I admit I paid very little attention to Enterprise but I'm pretty surprised that I've never heard this tidbit before.
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 7:16 PM on September 13


I agree with the younger skew, but do they account for VOY being available on netflix longer than either DS9 or the spotty TNG?

That being said, I've watched all of TOS dozens of times and have only rewatched a handful of them on Netflix/CBS/whoever had it at the time.

Sisko is the best Captain.
posted by Sphinx at 7:20 PM on September 13 [4 favorites]


Jonathan Archer's dad didn't invent the first warp engine -- that was Zephram Cochrane (see: Star Trek: First Contact). However, he did create the first warp engine capable of Warp 5.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Henry_Archer

I did not watch much of Enterprise (who could?) but I knew without even checking that Jonathan Archer's dad didn't invent warp. (Because I'm a nerd.)
posted by juliebug at 7:57 PM on September 13 [12 favorites]


Of course, I'm apparently not enough of a nerd to spell Zefram right.
posted by juliebug at 8:00 PM on September 13 [3 favorites]


I'd be willing to re-watch 90s era Treks if someone did special edits that removed all of the cringey B-stories about stuff like Data's cat or O'Brien's kid.
posted by octothorpe at 8:03 PM on September 13 [2 favorites]


For what it's worth my younger son, who has watched no Star Trek at all, asked for The Trouble With Tribbles episode of the original Star Trek Enterprise. I tracked it down on Netflix, and he enjoyed it immensely and now wears Star Trek t-shirts, though he hasn't watched any other Star Trek episodes from any show. I guess it doesn't count as a re-watch.
posted by eye of newt at 8:03 PM on September 13 [2 favorites]


I stumbled upon TNG reruns on a random crappy broadcast channel and it restarted at 1:1 this week, so I'm watching it with Mini McGee, although I keep explaining to him that Riker gets a lot better after growing a beard.

Voyager is on after, I've never really watched it before, but it's pretty good!
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 8:06 PM on September 13 [3 favorites]


Jonathan Archer's dad didn't invent the first warp engine -- that was Zephram Cochrane (see: Star Trek: First Contact). However, he did create the first warp engine capable of Warp 5.

Hoist with his warp petard.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 8:07 PM on September 13 [4 favorites]


I'd be willing to re-watch 90s era Treks if someone did special edits that removed all of the cringey B-stories about stuff like Data's cat or O'Brien's kid.

Oh, me too, except I'd just watch all the bits you'd removed.

Felis catis is your taxonomic nomenclature
An endothermic quadruped, carnivorous by nature


Data: "And you must feed him, and tell him that he is a pretty cat, and a good cat."
Worf: "I will feed him."
posted by Daily Alice at 8:09 PM on September 13 [38 favorites]


Apparently my enthusiastic rewatching of DS9, which is surpassed only by my obsessive love and rewatching of Enterprise must have been discarded as statistical anomaly.
posted by monopas at 8:21 PM on September 13 [8 favorites]


I love a good trek fight so I'll get it started, voyager is terrible for a variety of reasons and these netflix numbers are shameful
posted by Ferreous at 8:32 PM on September 13 [4 favorites]


For fucks sake, they knew that Jeffery combs was a resource and they only used him once! Even the shit show of enterprise pulled him in multiple times!
posted by Ferreous at 8:33 PM on September 13 [3 favorites]


As with all inexplicable polling results, I blame Russian meddling.
posted by cardboard at 8:41 PM on September 13


Russian Star Trek is the best Star Trek, of course.
posted by mwhybark at 8:47 PM on September 13 [3 favorites]


“average person rewatches 3 voyager episdoes a year” factoid actualy just statistical error. average person rewatches 0 voyager episodes per year. Brannon Braga, who lives in netflix & rewatches over 10,000 each day, is an outlier adn should not have been counted
posted by vibratory manner of working at 9:16 PM on September 13 [8 favorites]


I am just going to watch the mariachi band segment of Deja Q endlessly, see if I can move it up the charts.

"Oh, you're so stolid! You weren't like that before the beard."
posted by Chrysostom at 10:17 PM on September 13 [4 favorites]


There’s a few specific criteria here—Netflix counts a “re-watch” as a viewer going back to watch at least 6 minutes of an episode they had already viewed in its entirety, and the first two episodes of a series were culled from the results as they were, unsurprisingly, the most popular by an overwhelming margin

This makes it just sound like more people are watching Voyager and TNG on Netflix than the other series overall, which would then of course increase their number of rewatches as well. That could happen for any number of reasons, possibly because people skipped most of Voyager when it aired and are watching it on Netflix instead, while TNG fans might just focus more on the stuff they liked already and have new viewers.

DS9 is the least trekky of the Treks in terms of single episode adventure and exploration I gather, so it may not be a rewatch fave as much as a run through show and since it wasn't much more successful than Voyager the amount of old or new viewers shouldn't be any higher beyond that I'd imagine. And no one really cares about Enterprise, if they remember it exists at all.

That's just a guess on DS9 though since I stalled out at episode 6 or 7 I think since the beginning of the first season is pretty damn tedious, making it a tough slog to get to the episodes fans say are great.
posted by gusottertrout at 10:31 PM on September 13 [1 favorite]


wait I thought star trek was that one-off show about a bald spaceship captain who experiences an entire lifetime on a doomed planet after encountering a probe sent out by the now-long-dead civilization on that planet. there's other episodes?
posted by You Can't Tip a Buick at 11:32 PM on September 13 [2 favorites]


wait I thought star trek was that one-off show about a bald spaceship captain who experiences an entire lifetime on a doomed planet after encountering a probe sent out by the now-long-dead civilization on that planet. there's other episodes?

Oh, heck yeah, there's also the one with the virile spaceship captain who has to let his pacifist girlfriend get hit by a truck so the country will enter a war. It's a big favorite.
posted by gusottertrout at 11:49 PM on September 13 [7 favorites]


My recollection is that Voyager was the first Trek available on Netflix, so unless they're weighting the availability of the episodes, that might also skew the results.
posted by Aleyn at 11:57 PM on September 13 [2 favorites]


The explanation in my house is that Voyager makes for nice, low-intensity background TV. Not only that, but Voyager plots are unmemorable enough that I can be surprised-ish again and again by rewatching. By contrast, I've watched TNG so much and remember its good episodes well enough at this point that rewatching has very little value unless I'm in a very specific mood. And DS9, which is my favorite Trek, is both too hard -- too intellectually and emotionally demanding -- and too absorbing to work as background TV.
posted by Jonathan Livengood at 12:06 AM on September 14 [1 favorite]


Yeah, one thing we've been talking a lot about in the Voyager rewatch threads is how inconsistent the writing is with the main characters. That would, I think, lend itself to more "surprise" in many instances since their behavior becomes, effectively, unpredictable. TNG and TOS, in contrast, developed a much clearer idea of who their main characters were, so that lends a more iconic and cohesive feel to the series, even as there are some individual episodes that may seem a bit off from the ideal on occasion.
posted by gusottertrout at 12:37 AM on September 14 [2 favorites]


But "Time and Again"? You got me.

This one might have made sense if the VOY pilot, "Caretaker", appeared anywhere on this list. That would suggest a lot of people who'd never watched any VOY before, but heard about its not-great reputation, and gave it a go, only to nope out after "Time and Again" (like I did when the show premiered, as I mentioned here).

But the conspicuous absence of "Caretaker"—which is really a much more necessary pilot to watch than your average pilot—is itself baffling, and makes "Time and Again" baffling too. Maybe it's just…the fact that it has the word "Time" in the title and is obviously about time-travel? Maybe that attracts a lot of eyes?

Or maybe (because TFA says "Netflix counts a 're-watch' as a viewer going back to watch at least 6 minutes of an episode they had already viewed in its entirety") it has to do with people thinking "Oo, a time-travel episode" but then, six minutes in, going "Oh wait, THAT one."

Or wait!: maybe they run "Time and Again" on a continuous loop in the employee breakroom of the Tillman Water Reclamation Plant.

"Clues," at least, is good. It's also kinda representative of a typical better-than-average TNG outing: you got some holodeck, you got Picard and Data being awesome, you got Guinan being not-dull, you got a creepy and mysterious storyline.
posted by CheesesOfBrazil at 3:40 AM on September 14 [3 favorites]


I'm on team Tribbles.
posted by chavenet at 3:49 AM on September 14


But the conspicuous absence of "Caretaker"—which is really a much more necessary pilot to watch than your average pilot—is itself baffling

Oh, they purposefully excluded pilot episodes from the list as those were, they say, the most popular by "an overwhelming margin".
posted by gusottertrout at 3:55 AM on September 14 [5 favorites]


Ah, must've missed that in TFA, thanks gus.
posted by CheesesOfBrazil at 4:09 AM on September 14 [1 favorite]


I'm a lifelong Trekkie. This list is absolutely baffling and I do not understand it. However, in true IDIC fashion, I accept it.

Also old. Born the year TOS premiered. Grew up watching it EVERY TIME IT WAS ON in reruns, because back in those days, you only got what the four, five, or six commercial broadcasters put on, and when the TV Guide said it was on, that's what you watched.

In binge-watching terms, this means Once Per Weekday. or Once On The Weekend. Either 5 a week, or one a week.

So, along comes TNG, and by that time VCR's were well established. You could keep up on one per week.

By the time Voyager came out... I was rocking and rolling and didn't have the time to commit to following a new show once a week. Maybe I caught a few, but without knowing the backstory, I just didn't get into it.

Then Enterprise.

So, there's Voyager and Enterprise that I've never really dug into. BUT nowadays with Netflix, I can put up an episode while I work, and it runs in the background and I can follow it enough to pause and rewind the interesting bits.

So far I'm about halfway through Voyager and Enterprise. I usually watch a season of one, and a season of the other.
posted by mikelieman at 4:15 AM on September 14


Netflix is so tightfisted with its viewership numbers that I just ignore anything they do say publicly about them as almost certainly spin. This tiny release might actually be true, but who knows.
posted by mediareport at 4:38 AM on September 14


"Jonathan Archer had a beagle named Porthos, a love of college water polo (himself having competed in the 2134 North American Water Polo Regionals against Princeton) and his dad invented the warp engine."

A Beagle named after a musketeer*
Water polo!
His dad got him the job!

Captain Archer is the whitest captain in all of trek.

*(I concede that the dog may be, and probably should be named after Porthos from Dogtanion and the three muskehounds)
posted by Just this guy, y'know at 4:43 AM on September 14 [5 favorites]


I am just going to watch the mariachi band segment of Deja Q endlessly, see if I can move it up the charts.

Let me help you with that.
posted by Fleebnork at 6:12 AM on September 14


My personal list is B Plot TNG episodes like "Data's Day" which I've probably watched 50 times now. My wife watches sitcoms like Friends to unwind after work, and I watch the mindless banter of the Enterprise crew. DS9 had the superior series, but it's not somewhere I want to go over and over again.
posted by Glibpaxman at 6:25 AM on September 14 [1 favorite]


I haven't watched any Star Trek on Netflix just yet (mostly I mindless-watch Unsolved Mysteries on Amazon Prime if I want to relive my childhood), but I am totally going to keep "The Chute" on repeat so that everyone discovers how much they love Harry Kim/Tom Paris in prison.

That and the Animated Series. Which I love. Because it's just nonsense.
posted by Katemonkey at 6:30 AM on September 14 [2 favorites]


(mostly I mindless-watch Unsolved Mysteries on Amazon Prime if I want to relive my childhood)

are... are you me
posted by Automocar at 7:47 AM on September 14 [3 favorites]


Okay, I'll bite on the "is Voyager terrible" question. I'm currently almost through season 3 of my first rewatch where I'm actually closely paying attention to the show, and I have to say, it has its charms and the second season in particular is okay, which surprised me because everyone seems to hate that season the most.

The major problem with Voyager is that its a show at war with itself--you had Michael Piller who co-created the show and really wanted to make the Maquis/Starfleet divide a major part of the show, keeping the Maquis out of Starfleet uniforms, do more serialized storytelling, etc. and then you had people like Jeri Taylor who just wanted to keep making TNG. The second season, while it has some major problems, also feels like it's trying to do something and go somewhere, whereas once Taylor takes over in the third season, suddenly the show feels extremely... aimless.

In general I think Voyager gains a lot from remembering that it aired alongside DS9 for 5 seasons. DS9 was the cerebral, serious, super ambitious, character-driven Trek, and Voyager was the adventure-of-the-week Trek.

However, Voyager's main problem is a troubling lack of attention to detail--character points are forgotten, they act in bizarre ways to move the plot forward, they blew up approximately 14,000 shuttles over the course of the show, etc.

Contrast it to TNG, which was very much in the same storytelling mold as Voyager, but they really paid attention to character motivations, information established in previous episodes, and while you don't need to watch the entire show to get a feel for it, watching the whole thing is a very rewarding experience in total. Whereas I don't think you get much from watching the entirety of Voyager, because it's just so frustratingly inconsistent in the details.

I also think that the Braga seasons of Voyager are the best. *ducks*
posted by Automocar at 7:56 AM on September 14 [7 favorites]


I think voyagers primary problem was that they were by far the worst offenders when it came to "tell not show" writing. They'd always talk about how Tom Paris was this bad boy rebel, but he spent most of the time having hobbies that make model trains seem cool; Torres was always talked about as like hot tempered and rough, but usually was totally flat. The same sort of shit applied to pretty much everyone else in the show. Janeway's catchprase of "I won't risk the safety of my crew" is contradicted on a weekly basis.

Also having the borg be a on organization with a leader you can negotiate with is the dumbest god damn decision they made in trek. Turning an unreasoning elemental force into a fucking pile of low rent vampires is such a terrible move.
posted by Ferreous at 9:54 AM on September 14 [8 favorites]


I thought I was done watching all the Star Trek series after I went through TNG, DS9, and Voyager episode-by-episode on Netflix a few years back while knitting, but recently I discovered the OTA Heroes & Icons channel that airs solid Star Trek from 8PM-1AM 6 nights a week. 8PM is the original series, 9PM is TNG, 10PM is DS9, 11PM is Voyager, and at midnight starts Enterprise.

Now I've developed the unfortunate habit of turning the TV to the H&I channel after dinner and just leaving various Star Trek episodes on all night until bed. Usually I'm not really paying attention to it, but sometimes I'll sit down for the episode. And since the episodes play 6 nights a week in order, eventually you get to the last episode of the series. And then the next night episode 1 starts it all over again. etc. And the commercials that air during the evening are for a mind-boggling assortment of As Seen on TV products and other things that seem to be mostly scams.

I have Netflix, so I could of course just put it back on Netflix, but something about being able to turn on the TV and have it just be Star Trek all night is magical. I wonder how many people do the exact same thing. I really should stop though.

As for the episodes on this list, for the most part I'm not surprised. As uneven as Voyager is, for some reason I find it to be the most compulsively watchable of any of them, even though I like TNG much more overall. I think Voyager got better after Seven of Nine joined the crew. She had some of the more compelling storylines with regards to character development. I didn't like where Voyager went with the Borg over time, though.

The political stuff was always the most boring part of any Star Trek series to me, so I don't really enjoy DS9 and I can't think of any episodes I'd want to go back and watch out of context. The original series doesn't generally grab me (I grew up on TNG so that's probably why) and Enterprise has yet to grow on me. I'll probably try watching the new series, but I have a feeling it isn't going to feel like Star Trek to me.
posted by bananana at 10:59 AM on September 14


Which is why First Contact is actually the worst TNG movie.

It's a good movie, buuut that part really screws things up.
posted by Zalzidrax at 11:01 AM on September 14 [2 favorites]


It's a good movie

...and you lost me.
posted by Chrysostom at 11:07 AM on September 14 [2 favorites]


When I'm feeling down, I skip through and watch all the TNG episodes with Lwaxana Troi.

(Voyager's probably my third favorite Trek series. Sister Monster's been rewatching it a lot lately, and I've been tempted to join her.)
posted by The Underpants Monster at 12:11 PM on September 14 [2 favorites]


My main complaint with First Contact was that it was in the middle of the "Die Hard on a ____" phase of '90s moviemaking and it seemed way too much like "Die Hard on the Enterprise"
posted by octothorpe at 1:06 PM on September 14 [2 favorites]


Oh, they purposefully excluded pilot episodes from the list as those were, they say, the most popular by "an overwhelming margin".

They excluded the first two episodes of each series for that reason. Presumably, a lot of people start a rewatch and quickly give it up. "Time and Again" is the third episode of Voyager, so I suspect the same thing is going on there.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 1:59 PM on September 14 [1 favorite]


One of my favorite parts of Star Trek is making fun of story inconsistencies so Voyager is a great pick for me. I especially love how Janeway dramatically says "Janeway out!" sometimes but then a lot of times their communicators just kind of know to shut off for some reason?? Like they'll finish talking to someone via communicator, they don't tap it or otherwise sign off, and then immediately start trash talking the person they were just communicatoring to! What! It's like accidental reply all except the wrong person never manages to overhear.

I find plenty of material for this in TNG as well. Like the one with Data's daughter where he doesn't have feelings, but then he has desires? ("I wish I could feel it with you.") Every time Worf has occasion to suggest a course of action my husband and I shout in unison "Fire all weapons!" which adds to the interactive nature of the show.

I haven't seen much TOS or DS9 since I was a kid/teen rolling my eyes at my dad's choice in TV shows but maybe it's time for a refresh.

However, none of these are a rewatch so I am not in this very tiny and weirdly selected set of statistics.
posted by Emmy Rae at 9:10 AM on September 15 [1 favorite]


For fucks sake, they knew that Jeffery combs was a resource and they only used him once!

In fairness, Combs was pretty busy on DS9, especially in the final seasons which overlapped with VOY--he had two regular roles (Weyoun and Brunt), and in the final arc, played both in the same episode. (He says that one of his regrets is that they couldn't find an excuse for Weyoun and Brunt to pass each other in a hallway somewhere.) Ditto for J.G. "Martok" Hertzler, who's in the episode in question--"Tsunkatse"--along with some wrestler guy... The Wreck? The Rook? Something like that--seems oddly familiar, somehow. Anyway. Check out the rewatch, and come overthink it with us, if you care and dare.
posted by Halloween Jack at 10:42 AM on September 15 [2 favorites]


TOS and DS9 are my faves, because I am (a) old and (b) cerebral, and political, and whatnot.

We re-watched VOY [first try was abandoned after 1 season] after loving Kate Mulgrew on Orange is the New Black and it was surprisingly watchable, except for anything having to do with Tom Paris (the actor was okay, but the character was the WORST): he kept making up horndog white boy holodeck programs that everyone else pretended to like? or something.

Also every love interest for Capt. Janeway was awful, except for Chakotay, and I was glad they didn't pursue that. The writers weren't always so good with the women characters. At all.

OK, there were problems. But at least it wasn't full of shitty flat lighting and pastel colors like TNG.
posted by allthinky at 10:44 AM on September 15 [1 favorite]


Also:

The political stuff was always the most boring part of any Star Trek series to me, so I don't really enjoy DS9 and I can't think of any episodes I'd want to go back and watch out of context.

I dig that, as the first two seasons are heavily involved in local (Bajoran) politics, but things really pick up at the end of S2 when they run afoul of the Dominion, an interstellar empire that is now within easy reach of the station (and vice versa) thanks to the wormhole. It's sometimes hard to pick out a particular episode because of the show's penchant for multi-episode arcs and revisiting characters and situations that may have been in episodes a few seasons ago, but there are some great ones where it isn't strictly necessary to know the continuity: the aforementioned "The Visitor" and "Far Beyond the Stars", and "Trials and Tribble-ations", which is not only a sequel to the classic TOS episode "The Trouble With Tribbles" but actually takes place within the episode itself, thanks to CGI and some clever editing which lets the DS9 cast interact with the original one.

My main complaint with First Contact was that it was in the middle of the "Die Hard on a ____" phase of '90s moviemaking and it seemed way too much like "Die Hard on the Enterprise"

There's a two-volume book out titled The Fifty-Year Mission that's an oral history of the franchise, and one thing that's mentioned in there, more than once, is that Patrick Stewart wanted more action hero scenes.
posted by Halloween Jack at 10:53 AM on September 15 [2 favorites]


Apparently he was also the reason we got the wonderful dune buggy sequence in Nemesis.

Stewart seems like a good dude, but I'm not convinced he entirely gets what is good about Star Trek.
posted by Chrysostom at 11:44 AM on September 15


There's a two-volume book out titled The Fifty-Year Mission that's an oral history of the franchise, and one thing that's mentioned in there, more than once, is that Patrick Stewart wanted more action hero scenes.

Well after half a dozen seasons of being forced to play the captain as if he were a corporate middle manager, I can understand his frustration.
posted by octothorpe at 12:11 PM on September 15 [2 favorites]


Stewart seems like a good dude, but I'm not convinced he entirely gets what is good about Star Trek.

Kirk was famous for his ear slaps, judo chops, flying kicks and double fists. A bit of action captain is canonical.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 1:23 PM on September 15 [1 favorite]


And Picard just got to snap at his computer teapot.
posted by ActingTheGoat at 1:24 PM on September 15 [1 favorite]


I just watched the last Voyager episode, thanks!
posted by MikeWarot at 2:30 PM on September 15


By the time of the movies, Patrick Stewart was a big enough actor that Paramount needed him in Star Trek more than he needed to keep doing Star Trek. So they were going to let Picard do whatever Stewart wanted.
posted by riruro at 3:16 PM on September 15


One of my favorite parts of Star Trek is making fun of story inconsistencies

I find it more fun to come up with plausible explanations for them. Sort of stretch my creative muscles without going so far as writing fan fiction.
posted by The Underpants Monster at 4:40 PM on September 15 [3 favorites]


I thought everybody liked First Contact? Shows what I know. Anyway, I liked First Contact, and I'm standing by that. Plus, when I was 14, I got to visit the set of Voyager, and they still had the borg charging stations from First Contact. I got my picture taken in one of them. It's somewhere at my mom's house, waiting to be used as blackmail against me (not because it's Star Trek, but because I look like a nerd).

Also, I met the guy who operated the doors. He had a chair behind the set with a little video monitor and two cables to pull on, one to open the doors, and one to close them. He told me he'd been operating the doors since the original series. Highlight of the visit!

Also, I met Robert Picardo, who was really nice, and I think someone else. I know Jeri Ryan was there, but I can't remember if I met her or just saw her on the monitor.

Also, I got my picture taken on one of the tables in sickbay, and in the process I managed to break one of the little light strips on it. I broke part of the Voyager set. So I've got that going for me.
posted by shapes that haunt the dusk at 6:44 PM on September 15 [7 favorites]


Picardo is the damn light in the darkness for seasons 1-3 of voyager. Only person there who knew how to play a trek character and have fun with it.
posted by Ferreous at 9:05 PM on September 15 [4 favorites]


I will always be grateful for how friendly he was to a sweaty, awkward 14 year old with braces.
posted by shapes that haunt the dusk at 1:10 AM on September 16 [2 favorites]


I find it more fun to come up with plausible explanations for them. Sort of stretch my creative muscles without going so far as writing fan fiction.

You basically just described about 65% of what goes on in our Voyager FanFare discussions.
posted by CheesesOfBrazil at 8:32 AM on September 16 [1 favorite]


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