Online Sperm Bank for Lesbians Launched
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Online Sperm Bank for Lesbians Launched Whether you support it or not, you gotta love the web site name...
can't women have children even without sperm? (and i'm not just talking about lizards here).. some clever egg-celll-division aggregator thing makes men "obsolete". Thank god you are all so darn cute and make great soulmates ey?
posted by dabitch at 1:53 PM on June 24, 2002
posted by dabitch at 1:53 PM on June 24, 2002
I'm waiting for the first lawsuit from a single, heterosexual woman who wants to have a baby and feels that mannotincluded.com is unfairly discriminating against her...
posted by Dreama at 1:57 PM on June 24, 2002
posted by Dreama at 1:57 PM on June 24, 2002
Dreama, she being anti to artificial simulation, then, yea maybe.
And an earlier thread which has issues guaranteed to be brought up here.
And what about men who feel they are lesbians trapped in a male body?, can I sue.
posted by thomcatspike at 2:10 PM on June 24, 2002
And an earlier thread which has issues guaranteed to be brought up here.
And what about men who feel they are lesbians trapped in a male body?, can I sue.
posted by thomcatspike at 2:10 PM on June 24, 2002
"It's revolting! Honestly these are designer babies for alternative lifestyles," said Lynette Burrows, a member of the Family Education Trust, one of Britain's non-political organizations on matters affecting the family.
"It's a wicked and selfish idea. They know they are subjecting the child to a lifetime of psychological difficulties starting with having two mothers -- which they know is not possible -- and no father and what their peers are going to say about that abnormal situation."
I think she's missing the point. The reason the kid's peers will have something to say, and the fact that it seems abnormal is because of groups like hers. I think they're just poor excuses for her to justify being a homophobe. Grow up.
posted by askheaves at 2:11 PM on June 24, 2002
"It's a wicked and selfish idea. They know they are subjecting the child to a lifetime of psychological difficulties starting with having two mothers -- which they know is not possible -- and no father and what their peers are going to say about that abnormal situation."
I think she's missing the point. The reason the kid's peers will have something to say, and the fact that it seems abnormal is because of groups like hers. I think they're just poor excuses for her to justify being a homophobe. Grow up.
posted by askheaves at 2:11 PM on June 24, 2002
There we go with the term homophobe. I was waiting for it. What does that mean again? And if it does not mean someone who is actually afraid of homosexuals, then what does it mean, and why?
posted by insomnyuk at 2:14 PM on June 24, 2002
posted by insomnyuk at 2:14 PM on June 24, 2002
dabitch, i suppose it'd be possible. producing boys from such eggs seems like it'd be difficult, due to the Y chromosome being a smaller version of the X chromosome (where don't the two match up? where's the tech to produce a Y chromosome from its superset X chromosome?). following elitist lesbian chortling, of course, the idea to produce a boy is quickly dismissed in favor of the far simpler and preferable girl.
why wouldn't you want to have a boy? besides the fact that most girls are still genetically hard-wired to find them interesting. (a couple of them, anyway.) besides sexing it up, i'm not sure what genetic purpose we guys serve. other than being the ones most likely to get bizarro genetic conditions on account of our short Y chromosomes. i feel pretty inferior today.
posted by moz at 2:22 PM on June 24, 2002
why wouldn't you want to have a boy? besides the fact that most girls are still genetically hard-wired to find them interesting. (a couple of them, anyway.) besides sexing it up, i'm not sure what genetic purpose we guys serve. other than being the ones most likely to get bizarro genetic conditions on account of our short Y chromosomes. i feel pretty inferior today.
posted by moz at 2:22 PM on June 24, 2002
There we go with the term homophobe. I was waiting for it. What does that mean again? And if it does not mean someone who is actually afraid of homosexuals, then what does it mean, and why?
I agree, you might as well be honest and use more accurate terms such as "bigot." If you really want to make an analogy or metaphor "troglodyte", and "neanderthal" are also pretty good.
posted by KirkJobSluder at 2:22 PM on June 24, 2002
I agree, you might as well be honest and use more accurate terms such as "bigot." If you really want to make an analogy or metaphor "troglodyte", and "neanderthal" are also pretty good.
posted by KirkJobSluder at 2:22 PM on June 24, 2002
A John Gonzalez is supposedly running this. Not to be too cynicaly, but has anybody heard what Joey Skaggs has been up to lately?
posted by yhbc at 2:26 PM on June 24, 2002
posted by yhbc at 2:26 PM on June 24, 2002
I'd divide people, with no regard to sexual inclination, into those who very much want to have children and those who don't. If I was a baby, I'd like to be with the first group. It's ridiculous to think that gays and lesbians, who know what discrimination and difference mean, would try to repress a child who was naturally heterosexual, as most people are.
It's about love, attention, and dedication. I.e. about education. Not about sexuality or gender. Besides, the overwhelming majority of gay and lesbian people tend to be more civilized, sophisticated and tolerant than us straights.
Consider all those who've been raised by one mother; one father; aunts; uncles; one grandparent; foster parents - in the end all that matters is that a child is cherished and allowed to grow.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 2:34 PM on June 24, 2002
It's about love, attention, and dedication. I.e. about education. Not about sexuality or gender. Besides, the overwhelming majority of gay and lesbian people tend to be more civilized, sophisticated and tolerant than us straights.
Consider all those who've been raised by one mother; one father; aunts; uncles; one grandparent; foster parents - in the end all that matters is that a child is cherished and allowed to grow.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 2:34 PM on June 24, 2002
Gee, as the father of a mama's boy (i.e., he loves me, but loooooooves his mother), I would think that lots of children would enjoy having two moms.
posted by Holden at 2:50 PM on June 24, 2002
posted by Holden at 2:50 PM on June 24, 2002
the overwhelming majority of gay and lesbian people tend to be more civilized, sophisticated and tolerant than us straights
?!
posted by dagny at 2:50 PM on June 24, 2002
?!
posted by dagny at 2:50 PM on June 24, 2002
Besides, the overwhelming majority of gay and lesbian people tend to be more civilized, sophisticated and tolerant than us straights.
Yeah, you're SUCH a conservative, Miguel. {g}
posted by rushmc at 3:05 PM on June 24, 2002
Yeah, you're SUCH a conservative, Miguel. {g}
posted by rushmc at 3:05 PM on June 24, 2002
moz - don't worry, you got a lot more to bring to the genetic traits of mankind than just the simple Y chromosone and a flair for sexin' it up. ;-) It would be (probably) impossible to produce boys from such eggs, but think of the genetic traits only inhereted male to male - or male to female (dormant) to male - if illnesses can go this route so can "good genes". We actually need both genders.
posted by dabitch at 3:12 PM on June 24, 2002
posted by dabitch at 3:12 PM on June 24, 2002
Come on, people. Mannotincluded.com says NOTHING about a man being useless. Of course men are needed, they're half the equasion for pregnancy. What the company is providing is a service that any hetro woman can obtain at any other sperm bank- a place where they can obtain sperm donation without being judged or barred from doing so. The company's called "man-not-included "(meaning...you don't have to deal with the men,) not "man-not-necessary." Big difference.
posted by aacheson at 3:20 PM on June 24, 2002
posted by aacheson at 3:20 PM on June 24, 2002
(off-topic reply)rushmc: the first rule of conservatism is that people are as they are and you can't and shouldn't try to change them. All that's left is to tell it like it is and keep things that way. Gay people, as everyone knows, tend to be politer, more sensitive, better educated and enjoy the arts more. That's a statistic; not an opinion. Conservatives like statistics - in other words, human nature. ;)
posted by MiguelCardoso at 3:51 PM on June 24, 2002
posted by MiguelCardoso at 3:51 PM on June 24, 2002
who said men were useless? i was saying that "spermnotincluded" could be the next, ahem, sperm bank idea.
posted by dabitch at 4:18 PM on June 24, 2002
posted by dabitch at 4:18 PM on June 24, 2002
I'm still reeling from the thread on Bonzo the Monkey and now I'm hit with this. I'm flummoxed!
posted by mikegre at 5:24 PM on June 24, 2002
posted by mikegre at 5:24 PM on June 24, 2002
Gay people, as everyone knows, tend to be politer, more sensitive, better educated and enjoy the arts more. That's a statistic; not an opinion.
I would love to see the citation for this statistic.
posted by BlueTrain at 6:05 PM on June 24, 2002
I would love to see the citation for this statistic.
posted by BlueTrain at 6:05 PM on June 24, 2002
See, BlueTrain, a gay person would've been too polite to ask. You've given yourself away.
posted by ODiV at 7:44 PM on June 24, 2002
posted by ODiV at 7:44 PM on June 24, 2002
who said men were useless? i was saying that "spermnotincluded" could be the next, ahem, sperm bank idea
I'm with dabitch on this one!
posted by RunsWithBandageScissors at 9:24 PM on June 24, 2002
I'm with dabitch on this one!
posted by RunsWithBandageScissors at 9:24 PM on June 24, 2002
the first rule of conservatism is that people are as they are and you can't and shouldn't try to change them
Here in America, there's an entire political party filled with people you need to tell this to. The first guy to talk to is named "George"....
:)
posted by owillis at 9:35 PM on June 24, 2002
Here in America, there's an entire political party filled with people you need to tell this to. The first guy to talk to is named "George"....
:)
posted by owillis at 9:35 PM on June 24, 2002
[insert David Crosby joke]
the overwhelming majority of gay and lesbian people tend to be more civilized, sophisticated and tolerant than us straights
Soon they'll be covered in baby food and broke like the rest of the child-rearing masses. The best that can come of this is more adopted kids and very stylish minivans.
posted by mecran01 at 7:04 AM on June 25, 2002
the overwhelming majority of gay and lesbian people tend to be more civilized, sophisticated and tolerant than us straights
Soon they'll be covered in baby food and broke like the rest of the child-rearing masses. The best that can come of this is more adopted kids and very stylish minivans.
posted by mecran01 at 7:04 AM on June 25, 2002
I don't know why a lesbian couple would pay for this service when they could have this guy's sperm for free! (Scroll down for photo).
posted by straight at 8:12 AM on June 25, 2002
posted by straight at 8:12 AM on June 25, 2002
I don't know why a lesbian couple would pay for this service when they could have this guy's sperm for free! (Scroll down for photo).
posted by straight at 8:22 AM on June 25, 2002
posted by straight at 8:22 AM on June 25, 2002
Honestly these are designer babies for alternative lifestyles
This phrase struck me. Ms. Burrows' comments are nothing but a string of trigger-phrases designed to retrieve pre-packaged conservative indignation. She says "alternative lifestyles" as though that's a bad thing. It's abundantly clear than she's not talking to me or anyone like me...
posted by Mars Saxman at 9:00 AM on June 25, 2002
This phrase struck me. Ms. Burrows' comments are nothing but a string of trigger-phrases designed to retrieve pre-packaged conservative indignation. She says "alternative lifestyles" as though that's a bad thing. It's abundantly clear than she's not talking to me or anyone like me...
posted by Mars Saxman at 9:00 AM on June 25, 2002
the first rule of conservatism is that people are as they are and you can't and shouldn't try to change them.
Conservatives like statistics - in other words, human nature.
(off topic)
Miguel, now you explained some of the politics of the US. As I see the confusion when Democrats VS Republicans ideas are argued and one watching to the side, is lost. I'm finding that my views of conservatism = what others were raised, called liberalism, now I know. Which one is which again. Too confusing so I try to just MYOB, and stay myself.
Point out to: Gay people, as everyone knows, tend to be politer, more sensitive, better educated and enjoy the arts more. This is true, and so are a lot of things about life. Our lives all cross each other, regardless trying or not. As I've noticed, I'm being baited through commercialism of life or what might be the truth, there is no troll conspiracy, just life as is today. I would expect to hear this from an American, not an European, especially you. I'm often told that my European ways is why I'm thought of as "gay", they don't even ask me, I'm told. Yes, I appreciate art, and all the above you mentioned, I think of them as more along the line as romanticism of one's life. Because, I love them in my life. These things you mentioned have nothing to do about my sex and its drive. That's what the body of a woman is for me, pure lust.
And, finally, I get to say hello to you across the sea, hellooooo Miguel. \!!!/
posted by thomcatspike at 9:18 AM on June 25, 2002
Conservatives like statistics - in other words, human nature.
(off topic)
Miguel, now you explained some of the politics of the US. As I see the confusion when Democrats VS Republicans ideas are argued and one watching to the side, is lost. I'm finding that my views of conservatism = what others were raised, called liberalism, now I know. Which one is which again. Too confusing so I try to just MYOB, and stay myself.
Point out to: Gay people, as everyone knows, tend to be politer, more sensitive, better educated and enjoy the arts more. This is true, and so are a lot of things about life. Our lives all cross each other, regardless trying or not. As I've noticed, I'm being baited through commercialism of life or what might be the truth, there is no troll conspiracy, just life as is today. I would expect to hear this from an American, not an European, especially you. I'm often told that my European ways is why I'm thought of as "gay", they don't even ask me, I'm told. Yes, I appreciate art, and all the above you mentioned, I think of them as more along the line as romanticism of one's life. Because, I love them in my life. These things you mentioned have nothing to do about my sex and its drive. That's what the body of a woman is for me, pure lust.
And, finally, I get to say hello to you across the sea, hellooooo Miguel. \!!!/
posted by thomcatspike at 9:18 AM on June 25, 2002
Besides, the overwhelming majority of gay and lesbian people tend to be more civilized, sophisticated and tolerant than us straights.
*barfs*
posted by matteo at 1:23 PM on June 25, 2002
*barfs*
posted by matteo at 1:23 PM on June 25, 2002
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Yeah yeah, I'm sure we'll hear that screed again, and of course, it will be disproven. Clever name though.
posted by insomnyuk at 1:46 PM on June 24, 2002