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	<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:46:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Post number 18037</title>
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		<description>I don&apos;t know about you, but I won&apos;t feel truly secure until the Office of Homeland Security has its own logo. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitehouse.gov/homeland/&quot;&gt;White House&lt;/a&gt; is still just using the presidential seal: boring. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ahrpa/opa/pulse/epulse/pulse0204_home.htm&quot;&gt;Patent Office&lt;/a&gt;&apos;s
entry has a nice retro feel to it, but some might find it too menacing. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usda.gov/homelandsecurity/homeland.html&quot;&gt;USDA&lt;/a&gt;&apos;s   is maybe a bit too subject-specific. What do you think: should we &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.securethehomeland.com/&quot;&gt;keep it simple&lt;/a&gt;, or go with something a little more &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wizardwear.com/stickers/xbones_flag.gif&quot;&gt;strongly stated&lt;/a&gt;?  What sort of design would make &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; feel secure?
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:43:00 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ook</dc:creator>		<category>logo</category>		<category>design</category>		<category>brokenlink</category>		<category>homelandsecurity</category>
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		<title>By: destro</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295479</link>	
		<description>Masonic pyramid with an eye would do the trick.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:46:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: straight</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295482</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;What sort of design would make you feel secure? &lt;/i&gt;
&lt;tt&gt;
   HOMELAND SECURITY
    OFFICE GOING OUT
    OF BUSINESS SALE!
&lt;/tt&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:51:34 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ook</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295483</link>	
		<description>Drat: I missed the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tlknapp.net/bieserhsoframes.html&quot;&gt;long shot&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:55:13 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ook</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: revbrian</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295486</link>	
		<description>Why would any design make someone feel more or less secure?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:56:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nofundy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295490</link>	
		<description>So long as any text in the logo is German...</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:02:47 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ColdChef</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295494</link>	
		<description>How about something simple and tasteful, like a private citizen being sodomized by a bear wearing a Viking helmet? Or a monkey shaking his fist at a plate of hummus? People like monkeys.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:15:50 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ColdChef</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Spoon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295495</link>	
		<description>Anything - as long as they use &apos;comics cartoon&apos; for their font. Or Eurostyle.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:17:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: zoopraxiscope</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295498</link>	
		<description>a nice picture of a boot stomping a human face?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:25:41 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>zoopraxiscope</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: thomcatspike</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295503</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ahrpa/opa/pulse/epulse/images/april/homelandsecurity.gif&quot;&gt;I see you peeking, too creepy&lt;/a&gt; And please no party &lt;a href=&quot;http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:GE1rPJju-UQC:home.att.net/~Sigs.Fong.Pa/Swastika/Swastika.html+picture+of+a+Spiritual+swastik&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&quot;&gt;affiliation&lt;/a&gt;
PS I used the spiritual symbol, as not to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/&quot;&gt;offend&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:39:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mr_crash_davis</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295504</link>	
		<description>I don&apos;t know about a logo, but I think &lt;a href=&quot;http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Jun/20026254272609124948651.jpg&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; would be an awesome poster.

I&apos;d even hang it over my desk.  &apos;Cause I&apos;m a patriot.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:40:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MJoachim</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295505</link>	
		<description>In my humble opinion, one of the best government logos was the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.celcorp.com/Assets/logo-nasa.gif&quot;&gt;NASA logo&lt;/a&gt; created in 1974.  They recently replaced it with their &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/insignia/text/lg_insignia.gif&quot;&gt;dated relic&lt;/a&gt;. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usgs.gov/visual-id/art3.html&quot; title=&quot;a great little article about the NASA logo debacle&quot;&gt;This article&lt;/a&gt; discusses the NASA change, as well as some insight to governmental logos in general.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nasawatch.com/worm.watch.html&quot;&gt;A parody&lt;/a&gt; of the huge cost of dismissing an established logo within the agency.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:43:26 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ook</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295507</link>	
		<description>Sorry, revbrian; I forgot the &amp;lt;levity attempt=&quot;weak&quot;&amp;gt; tags. My bad.

In all seriousness, while my tongue was indeed firmly in cheek while wording this post, I think a well-designed logo can tell you a great deal about how a business or agency chooses to represent itself, how it wants to be perceived, and what its goals and attitudes are -- and can sometimes be unintentionally revealing. I find it interesting that various branches of the government have chosen such wildly different ways to represent the concept of &quot;Homeland Security&quot; -- particularly the Patent Office&apos;s version, which gives a very unsettling view of what their idea of &quot;security&quot; is: an eye peeking through a keyhole. [on preview: good heavens, thomcatspike; I didn&apos;t see the animated version. Yow.]

The non-government designs, the T-shirts and bumper stickers, show us what various factions among the people feel &quot;homeland security&quot; means: the &apos;strongly stated&apos; and &apos;long shot&apos; links I gave above are, I think, representative of particular views both pro and con.  Most of the humorous examples others have suggested in this thread fall under &quot;con&quot; &lt;small&gt;&lt;small&gt;I say most only because I&apos;m reluctant to think too much about what ColdChef&apos;s hummus and Viking helmet represent...&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/small&gt;  but there are plenty of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.snopes.com/photos/wtcstamp.htm&quot;&gt;patriotic examples&lt;/a&gt; out there.

  I also hoped this would be a non-boring way to include a link to securethehomeland.com, which I felt has an interesting, if blunt, alternative perspective on the whole issue.

Perhaps in trying to be both funny and serious at the same time, I acheived neither. Sorry.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:49:27 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ook</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: ook</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295513</link>	
		<description>Whoops. Wrong &lt;a href=&quot;http://blueridgegraphics.com/homeland.html&quot;&gt;patriotic example&lt;/a&gt;. (They&apos;re oddly similar, though, aren&apos;t they?)</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:08:53 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ook</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: ZachsMind</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295529</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;What sort of design would make you feel secure?&lt;/i&gt; 

Skull and crossbones. I mean, there&apos;s a reason why it&apos;s a classic. 

&lt;small&gt;And Ook? Don&apos;t be so hard on yourself, dude. =) &lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:39:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kablam</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295542</link>	
		<description>Skull and lightning bolts would be more appropriate.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:15:57 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kablam</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Kodel</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295543</link>	
		<description>Skull and Crossbones indeed!!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:17:26 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kodel</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: xiffix</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295549</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.privacyinternational.org/bigbrother/&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.privacyinternational.org/bigbrother/award.jpg&quot; border=&quot;0&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:29:34 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>xiffix</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: zoopraxiscope</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295567</link>	
		<description>that&apos;s the one!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:43:51 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>zoopraxiscope</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: rushmc</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295600</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why would any design make someone feel more or less secure?&lt;/i&gt;

Because image is everything!

&lt;small&gt;um, until things start blowing up...&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:17:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: five fresh fish</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295657</link>	
		<description>&lt;small&gt;(Why is NASA eliminating the worm logo?)&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:22:06 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>five fresh fish</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: jalexei</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295675</link>	
		<description>xiffix - It&apos;s almost perfect, I just think it&apos;s missing the little &apos;Bouncing Soles&quot; loop at the top...</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:04:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: delmoi</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18037/#295764</link>	
		<description>&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ahrpa/opa/pulse/epulse/images/april/homelandsecurity.gif&quot;&gt;

Geez...</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:40:15 -0800</pubDate>
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