(Less Than, Approximately, Greater Than)

April 18, 2019 5:55 AM

Why does Roman Mars' voice make some car stereos lock up and restart? In order to find out, Reply All creates the best lineup of podcasts in the business.

Less Than, Approximately, Greater Than, a cooking show with Samin Nosrat || 88% Parentheticals, hosted by Sara Koenig (it's about her mail (and her day)) || Carrot Space Carrot, a trek into the universe of carrots || 100% Related?, where Judge Goldman Sr. promulgates paternity pedantry || Blank + Blank = FUN, a very frank investigation into relationships with Kalila Holt

Note - you can find RSS or Apple Podcast links from inside the OP. Links in the above are to MP3 files hosted on

posted by rebent (69 comments total)

I almost posted this! I would definitely watch <> on the regular.
It does bother me that after all of this they didn’t get to a full explanation of the technical problem. I’m probably listening for the wrong reasons.
posted by q*ben at 6:17 AM on April 18, 2019

I'm a regular listener to both 99% Invisible and Reply All. I listened to this yesterday on my drive to the office, and have rarely laughed so hard at a podcast.
I love the epic line-up they got for all the alternate podcasts, and really wish 88% Parentheticals would be made into a regular thing. < > wouldn't be bad to listen to either.
posted by mystyk at 6:21 AM on April 18, 2019 [5 favorites]

The best part of the episode was how annoyed/toats jealous PJ became with the talent he recruited for the test podcasts. Alex needs to get moderately famous and influential people to contribute without PJ participating on the regular.
posted by cmfletcher at 6:24 AM on April 18, 2019 [6 favorites]

Reply All: #140 The Roman Mars Mazda Virus Discussion on on FanFare
posted by jazon at 6:24 AM on April 18, 2019 [1 favorite]

I also felt not fully satisfied with the technical explanation, but there's an update on Reddit with more details.
posted by sleepy_fork at 6:24 AM on April 18, 2019 [13 favorites]

I love Reply All, especially Yes, Yes, No, and this episode was wonderful. It is also the first Gimlet episode I have listened to in a few months, ever since I learned of Gimlet's response to the unionizing of its employees

That being said, I would listen to the Samin one no the regular.
posted by hepta at 6:25 AM on April 18, 2019 [3 favorites]

Can't y'all type tildes?

<~>
posted by ardgedee at 6:27 AM on April 18, 2019

Haha, the %In formatting string for printf
posted by GuyZero at 6:31 AM on April 18, 2019 [4 favorites]

Can't y'all type tildes?

Yeah, I realized it just after the edit window closed.

(I blame the fact that q*ben's comment was in front of me as I was typing...)
posted by mystyk at 6:33 AM on April 18, 2019

This was a great episode, and I haven't had a chance to listen to all the fake podcasts yet (but I'm excited to) - but just listening to PJ's brain breaking when he found out that Alex even got Sarah Koenig to make one was pretty priceless.
posted by Mchelly at 6:36 AM on April 18, 2019 [4 favorites]

I own the exact same car and lurk on the forums where they hack this device. It's an iMX6 Quad processor running Opera as the UI. All the actual menuing and display stuff is written in Javascript.

The vaprintf(...) format chasing in C is interesting, but perhaps this is really a bug in URL encoding/decoding? Maybe a combination of both if the podcast metadata is coming in via some wacky REST call?

I love 99PI and have never had a crash in my car. Which makes this more baffling. But, that said, there are a ton of shitty podcast players out there on the market especially Apple's. I can't see in the podcast transcript where the crashing-Mazda owner mentions what kind of device is connected to the car.
posted by JoeZydeco at 6:46 AM on April 18, 2019

Thanks for this! One point that puzzled me towards the end was that the car owner would have to pay (a lot?) for the firmware upgrade for the head unit. Surely not?
posted by carter at 6:49 AM on April 18, 2019 [2 favorites]

No. Every time I've taken in my car for any kind of service they check the firmware on the unit and do an upgrade if one exists, no charge. I suppose it depends on the dealer.

The hackers also have the upgrade files in some dark corners of the web and you can DIY if you are brave and do the research. Mazda has been playing cat-and-mouse with these folk but the hackers always find a way to unlock and do the mods themselves.
posted by JoeZydeco at 6:53 AM on April 18, 2019 [1 favorite]

I love that we live in a world where "you have to download mods developed by third party hackers to upgrade the firmware on your in-car entertainment center so it doesn't crash when you play a specific podcast over bluetooth", which would have been total gibberish just a few decades ago, is now a cogent and reasonable sentence.
posted by signal at 7:15 AM on April 18, 2019 [28 favorites]

I agree, but I should clarify: AFAIK you can upgrade the firmware yourself relatively easily and without any crazy shell hacking but you also don't have the tools to recover if something goes wrong.

The real modders are doing stuff like writing their own apps for the unit which is way cool, but a bricked part is an expensive mistake. Mazda used to warranty-swap the computers ($$$) without thinking, but now they do a little more checking to see if you bricked it yourself.
posted by JoeZydeco at 7:21 AM on April 18, 2019 [3 favorites]

I also felt not fully satisfied with the technical explanation, but there's an update on Reddit with more details.

This totally happens to me when I try to listen to any of the Podcasts by Little Bobby Tables.
posted by The Bellman at 7:27 AM on April 18, 2019 [9 favorites]

> It's an iMX6 Quad processor running Opera as the UI. All the actual menuing and display stuff is written in Javascript.

That doesn't sound like the stupidest thing. Less stupid than rolling something in Java, the long-time favorite of console UI development.

Javascript doesn't natively parse printf syntax, so it's not likely to thrash itself when encountering a string like %ln. Even if Mazda added a printf library to Javascript, it can't confer more capabilities to the runtime than is already there. At worst it can only throw more errors, or pass an uncleansed string along to something else that could be harmed by it.

Opera is built on Chromium, so presumably if this is a problem inherent in the Javascript engine Opera is not likely to be the only vulnerable browser.
posted by ardgedee at 7:32 AM on April 18, 2019 [4 favorites]

I feel like we need a separate discussion thread for Gimlet drama. I also feel like there is an east coast/west coast podcast divide, and am worried if some sort of Biggie/Tupac tragedy will be the result. Finally, there is a certain podcast voice that is emerging, and I am not sure if it is a conscious mimicking of Ira Glass, or if a lot of podcasters fall into a similar demographic. I like the voice, so it's not a problem. Oh, and just love the playfulness of Reply All, and hope that the new money doesn't ruin it.
posted by mecran01 at 7:55 AM on April 18, 2019

Alex Blumberg is a TAL alum so it's not surprising he's inherited some of Glass's general approach and vibe.
posted by en forme de poire at 8:03 AM on April 18, 2019 [1 favorite]

Reply All is a goddamned national treasure and the production value of this episode was way higher than remotely necessary and it was wonderful.
posted by Lutoslawski at 8:06 AM on April 18, 2019 [4 favorites]

Opera is built on Chromium, so presumably if this is a problem inherent in the Javascript engine Opera is not likely to be the only vulnerable browser.

True, but one thing to remember is that automotive electronics lag WAY behind the bleeding edge. The system that shipped with the 2016 Mazdas was introduced in model year 2015 (so, calendar year 2014) and the OS was most likely started by Johnson Controls a few years before that. And once it's certified they're not going to go mucking about with it too much.
posted by JoeZydeco at 8:17 AM on April 18, 2019 [2 favorites]

"there is a certain podcast voice that is emerging"

It's not emerged; it has emerged, and quite a long time ago. Before podcasts, it was called Public Radio Voice.

I'm not a huge fan myself, but if the choice is between Public Radio Voice or some random people saying "uhhhhh" a lot, as is the case from a lot of non-PRV podcasts, I'll happily take PRV.
posted by kevinbelt at 8:19 AM on April 18, 2019 [7 favorites]

I love that we live in a world where "you have to download mods developed by third party hackers to upgrade the firmware on your in-car entertainment center so it doesn't crash when you play a specific podcast over bluetooth", which would have been total gibberish just a few decades ago, is now a cogent and reasonable sentence.

An interesting etymological conjecture... by 1999 only "podcast" would really have thrown a nerd hearing that sentence... Bluetooth devices were not for sale yet, but computer dorks had definitely heard of it. The rest of the jargon in that sentence would have been coherent by around 1982 (just have to wait for modems to establish "download" as a verb otherwise you could wind back into the 70s (hello firmware), then the 60s (hackers), and... hot rod enthusiasts were modding back in the 40s).
posted by lefty lucky cat at 8:25 AM on April 18, 2019 [3 favorites]

Reply All has a long history with Metafilter. Metafilter's own Alex Goldman says AskMe helped get him into doing radio. Metafilter's own PJ Vogt also reads MeFi. Several of the other Reply All regulars are on the site too, sometimes one of the producers drops in on a Fanfare discussion to clarify something.

Speaking of which, Alex answered my question about this bug / exploit, which is why "% I" was crashing it. The space should stop printf from freaking out! But for whatever reason it still crashes, Alex says both "%I" and "% I" cause problems. (Although as we learn from the above Reddit link, it's the "n" in "%In" that's the real problem.)
posted by Nelson at 8:25 AM on April 18, 2019 [4 favorites]

So I found this infuriating because I was hoping for a journey through finding the issue and by the time they got to "it's the percent sign" I decided they were never going to get into enough technical detail for my liking and read the update on Reddit. The printf explanation is satisfying, but now I don't really feel like listening to the rest, except that there is a whole other part to the episode that initially made no sense to me (what do you mean "in order to find out, Reply All creates the best lineup of podcasts in the business?" is this an article about Gimlet or something? Is the Mazda virus thing just a hook to get me to read about Gimlet Media?) and I had no idea why I'd want to actually listen to a Sarah Koenig podcast about her mail.

Now that I get WHY they made the podcasts, and that THEY ARE NOT ACTUALLY REAL PODCASTS, everything makes way more sense.
posted by chrominance at 8:50 AM on April 18, 2019 [1 favorite]

But, that said, there are a ton of shitty podcast players out there on the market especially Apple's

You might find Apple shitty, but their software is not shitty in this specific way.
posted by Pruitt-Igoe at 8:54 AM on April 18, 2019

by 1999 only "podcast" would really have thrown a nerd hearing that sentence

And by 1999 I thought we had learned to stop interpreting user input as a format string.
posted by Pruitt-Igoe at 9:10 AM on April 18, 2019 [2 favorites]

Hi. Thanks for posting this and for liking the show. I knew we’d infuriate people to some degree by the circuitous nature of our process. But remember when Roger Rabbit took off the handcuffs and told Eddie that he could only do it when it was funny? Yeah, to my mind we couldn’t do it any other way.

Also, I don’t think Ben is right about %N. One of the many things we tried in our testing process was one called “99% Nvisible” to see if the I was causing the problem. Ben said it was. I am talking to some engineers about doing a code teardown. Maybe we’ll find a definitive explanation soon.
posted by Alex Goldman at 9:15 AM on April 18, 2019 [43 favorites]

Listened to this yesterday on my commute home and, yeah, I was laughing out loud. While driving a convertible. In traffic.

I got stares.
posted by linux at 9:15 AM on April 18, 2019

Oh, and I was driving a Mazda (but I had long ago taken out the HU and put in a Chinese unit that is pure Android 8.0, with a few OEM apps to deal with customizing the buttons on my steering wheel and stuff, but anyway, I can basically load and run whatever I want and most of the time just have it on Waze or this really cool, lightweight launcher called AGAMA... but anyway).
posted by linux at 9:22 AM on April 18, 2019

Alex, the capitalization and the spaces matter. If 99%Invisible (no space, and the n is lower-case) crashes the unit, then that fits the reddit theory (it contains %In which is a variation on %n).
posted by Pruitt-Igoe at 9:24 AM on April 18, 2019

Ben also told us that %I and % I broke it. So ...
posted by Alex Goldman at 9:36 AM on April 18, 2019 [2 favorites]

The % In bug could be related to how spaces are collapsed in the display of HTML.
posted by bdc34 at 9:50 AM on April 18, 2019

But %Id is different from %In. What character is after the problematic I in those tests?
posted by Pruitt-Igoe at 9:54 AM on April 18, 2019

I listen to too many comedy real podcasts and comedy fake podcasts -- I was 99% (co)nfident that this was an excuse to make silly podcasts with other people rather than a real problem someone was facing, especially with the mention of a high cost to upgrade the firmware.
posted by memento maury at 10:12 AM on April 18, 2019 [1 favorite]

Roman Mars saying Beautiful... downtown... Oakland... California is the only thing that gives me those ASMR shivers that were all the rage last year.
posted by cilantro at 10:18 AM on April 18, 2019 [8 favorites]

Finally, there is a certain podcast voice that is emerging, and I am not sure if it is a conscious mimicking of Ira Glass, or if a lot of podcasters fall into a similar demographic.

It is both, and I'm mostly OK with it^*, as long as more of them don't start trying to mimic Roman Mars. I know nothing about the guy, but he's neck and neck with Kai Ryssdal for the smuggest-sounding man in radio.

* To be fair, it is mostly emerging only in fairly mainstream or would-be mainstream, white, highly educated* liberal podcast-dom. And there are a lot of outliers even within that subset. It makes more singular voices like Ken Layne, James "Dale Seever" Bewley, Scott Carrier and Erica Heilman sound that much more interesting.
posted by ryanshepard at 10:37 AM on April 18, 2019 [1 favorite]

I listened to this after a really, really long day.

We started the morning at Arcosanti, then drove a few hours up to the Grand Canyon via a ghost town on a cliffside.

By the time we got to the "AirBNB" (actually a doublewide in a trailer park that had been split into 4 tiny units) I was pretty dead. I was dead and had a head ache and was tired and frustrated at the accommodations and had nothing but carbs all day.

So we're driving to the local pizza place ($50 for a pie and a hotwings) and this episode comes on and

I think that's the most we smiled and laughed our entire vacation. we were in pure ecstasy, it was that funny. Especially the cooking show - truly amazing.
posted by rebent at 10:46 AM on April 18, 2019 [2 favorites]

I think the Kai / Roman comparison is so interesting - they both live in California, they both sound extremely Californian to me, and I think it’s just close-mic-ing a Californian and really boosting the low-mids when EQing them.

My favorite podcast voice is Nate DiMeo, and he definitely sounds a bit like Roman. I find west-coast radio voice infinitely preferable to east-coast radio voice.
posted by JoeBlubaugh at 10:46 AM on April 18, 2019 [1 favorite]

Other great Podcast Voices:
Phoebe Judge from Criminal
Earlonn Woods from Ear Hustle
John Roderick from errything
posted by JoeBlubaugh at 10:47 AM on April 18, 2019 [2 favorites]

> The system that shipped with the 2016 Mazdas was introduced in model year 2015 (so, calendar year 2014) and the OS was most likely started by Johnson Controls a few years before that.

Opera cut over from Presto to Chromium in 2013, so I'd think on the bubble. If people are digging this deeply into the car's control systems, I'm sure somebody could find out for sure.
posted by ardgedee at 10:49 AM on April 18, 2019

Does anyone know why Gimlet cancelled Starlee Kine's Mystery Show? Between that and the union stuff, I haven't been able to listen to Reply All (and I used to love it).
posted by valeries at 10:50 AM on April 18, 2019 [4 favorites]

This was such a good episode! Only Reply All can fix a buggy infotainment system via an epic journey into performance art. I am consistently surprised by how much the show exceeds my expectations.

Does anyone know why Gimlet cancelled Starlee Kine's Mystery Show? Between that and the union stuff, I haven't been able to listen to Reply All (and I used to love it).

Alex Blumburg did a short thing about it at one point, and Starlee made a twitter post iirc. In short - the content was good, but they had a poor business relationship, and he fired her I gather.
posted by Popular Ethics at 11:00 AM on April 18, 2019

My favorite podcast voice is Nate DiMeo, and he definitely sounds a bit like Roman. I find west-coast radio voice infinitely preferable to east-coast radio voice.

I agree about Nate DiMeo, but I think he sounds a lot like Roman. Where do you rank Hrishikesh Hirway?
posted by The Bellman at 11:00 AM on April 18, 2019

> there is a certain podcast voice that is emerging, and I am not sure if it is a conscious mimicking of Ira Glass, or if a lot of podcasters fall into a similar demographic.

I'd say that comedians and radio announcers are co-dominant, and further specifically because those are professions that also require good speaking skills. But your own notion of what a dominant podcast voice is depends on what sorts of podcasts you prefer, and I suspect that most of podcast-listening Metafilter (or, at least, American Metafilter) gravitates towards the same shows originating from NPR, BBC, Maximum Fun, Earwolf, Gimlet and Radiotopia, and ignoring most of the thousands more podcasts from elsewhere.
posted by ardgedee at 11:02 AM on April 18, 2019 [1 favorite]

But remember when Roger Rabbit took off the handcuffs and told Eddie that he could only do it when it was funny? Yeah, to my mind we couldn’t do it any other way

That's absolutely perfect. You guys have a knack of pulling off carefully planned jokes that appear completely spontaneous. Never change. (Unless that would be funny)
posted by Popular Ethics at 11:10 AM on April 18, 2019 [2 favorites]

I know it's divisive, but I really, really enjoy Zoe Chase's voice. I miss hearing her on Planet Money, and am always super happy when she pops up on TAL from time to time.
posted by panama joe at 11:13 AM on April 18, 2019 [5 favorites]

The only thing that bothered me about this whole thing was that these are my two very favorite podcasts, and I feel a bit cheated that it's just one new episode from both.

/gopher gripes
posted by hypersloth at 11:20 AM on April 18, 2019 [4 favorites]

I think the Kai / Roman comparison is so interesting - they both live in California, they both sound extremely Californian to me, and I think it’s just close-mic-ing a Californian and really boosting the low-mids when EQing them.

Nominating Close-mic a Californian for the next Gimlet novelty podcast, wherein Alex and PJ ask regular people regular questions from a slightly uncomfortable distance.
posted by a halcyon day at 11:23 AM on April 18, 2019 [8 favorites]

missed my edit window, but I was kidding. It was great to see them converge. :)
posted by hypersloth at 11:26 AM on April 18, 2019

I have to say I kind of just want to make novelty podcasts all the time from now on. We had so many more ideas we didn't have the time/bandwidth to execute, and as a person who is constantly trying to motivate himself to schlep to the attic and make some music, and weekly ^space^ would be a wonderful excuse.

>Does anyone know why Gimlet cancelled Starlee Kine's Mystery Show? Between that and the union stuff, I haven't been able to listen to Reply All (and I used to love it).

ICYMI: We appreciate all the support, but please don’t boycott or unsubscribe to Gimlet shows! We love our work and we want to keep doing it. The best thing you can do to help us is politely ask @Gimletmedia to recognize our union. Thank you again!
posted by Alex Goldman at 12:00 PM on April 18, 2019 [11 favorites]

Oh also, this one was manufactured by Johnson Controls.
posted by Alex Goldman at 12:01 PM on April 18, 2019

And Johnson Controls sold their infotainment unit to Visteon in 2014, around the time the Mazda project was finishing up. Probably also explains why Android Auto and CarPlay took so long to get done.
posted by JoeZydeco at 12:06 PM on April 18, 2019

Seconding the love for Zoe Chace -- her voice just sproings all over the place and it makes me very happy.

We're all going to react very strongly to some voice or another. I was listening to Michael Lewis on Longform the other day and he confessed that when he was contacting potential guests for his new podcast, the sound of their voice was a huge factor in his decision to feature them or not.

Great non-NPR voice (and content) for the week: Dr. Erica McAllister on the The Life Scientific. This woman will do her damnedest to make you love flies.
posted by maudlin at 12:11 PM on April 18, 2019 [1 favorite]

lefty lucky cat: "Bluetooth devices were not for sale yet, but computer dorks had definitely heard of it."
It's amazing how far Bluetooth has come.
posted by signal at 12:31 PM on April 18, 2019 [2 favorites]

Some favorite non-Public-Radio-Voice podcast voices as long as we’re on the topic (p.s. I loved this episode of Reply All) -

Gretchen McCulloch and Lauren Gawne of Lingthusiasm

Ross Sutherland of Imaginary Advice

Helga Davis of Helga - ok, she’s literally a former public radio announcer on a public radio podcast but still a unique voice!
posted by moonmilk at 12:35 PM on April 18, 2019 [1 favorite]

The Gimlet subreddit seems to be where the real drama-followers hang out, by the way. There is much speculation and weirdly detailed analysis of Starlee Kine’s Twitter! It’s the most fascinating thing I found out by accident this, uh, week.
posted by chesty_a_arthur at 12:37 PM on April 18, 2019 [1 favorite]

and weekly ^space^ would be a wonderful excuse

^space^ was maybe my favorite of the bunch. I'd listen to more, no doubt. Also it had lovely cover art.
posted by wordless reply at 2:53 PM on April 18, 2019 [1 favorite]

Other than Reply All, I quit listening to all the Gimlet shows during the Dov Charney season of Startup, which I found offensive. The shows then were heavily hosted by men, and I realised I just didn't care about any of them anymore. I have listened to one-off episodes now and then but have never been interested in continuing with them.

I completely understood why they ended ways with Starlee Kine, but never got why they played games about whether she could take her idea and make new episodes elsewhere.

Reply All is still on my listen to list, though, and I'm glad because I really did enjoy the fake podcasts even though, like many people, I was frustrated at first because it was clearly a Terrible Way to test this bug.
posted by jeather at 2:59 PM on April 18, 2019

I can't believe I missed the news that they were bought by Spotify!!

Isn't this, like, the whole point of StartUp, the show that brought Gimlet to the scene?

It was so useful to hear all about how they negotiated valuation, stock, etc. Now I want to know - what happened next? Is Alex a millionaire? Is he a "CEO in name only", being squeezed out just like the founders of Instagram?

Deets, man!
posted by rebent at 3:28 PM on April 18, 2019

Haha, the %In formatting string for printf

GuyZero has it. I also got this about a minute into the podcast. Looks like the radio programmer is passing user supplied data as the format string to sprintf, instead of just using strcpy. This is a terrible idea and a security hole you could fly a jumbo jet through. Printf (& relatives like sprintf) looks for embedded codes in the supplied string that start with percent, and these codes must match extra parameters that are supplied along with the string. If not, garbage will be inserted, program might crash, etc.
Some implementations of printf recognize %In as a variant of %n, a very dangerous code, as it means “Go write the length of the string so far at this memory address”, and as no such memory address was actually given, the write is going to happen at some random address. If the address is not valid you can crash, if something important gets overwritten, also a crash.
posted by w0mbat at 5:30 PM on April 18, 2019 [1 favorite]

It’s caret, not carrot.
posted by Thorzdad at 6:58 PM on April 18, 2019 [4 favorites]

Before this post, I thought anyone mentioning Roman Mars was talking about comparative religion/mythology. Clearly, I need both more caffeine and an education in contemporary music. (Is there a podcast for that?)
posted by Nancy_LockIsLit_Palmer at 5:02 AM on April 19, 2019

First one that comes to mind is Song Exploder.
posted by Lexica at 10:28 AM on April 19, 2019 [1 favorite]

The way I found out about Metafilter was from a Reply All segment, so I too love it. However, listening to them discussing C and so forth was like listening to six-year-olds talk about dinosaurs. They used terms I knew, but not in ways that made any sense. Pauli had the bon mot for this. The sad part is that is could have been described accurately in layman’s terms, instead it was sort of gibberish.

The pods cast (honest, iOS changed whatever I typed to that) were hilarious. Each better than the previous one. And, while I frequently think “I’m glad I don’t have to work with him,” I thought P J was spot on in this episode. I am certain to within very tight tolerances that both hosts will read this, so I want to be clear that I’ve listened since RA was a segment on On the Media and it is always great.
posted by Gilgamesh's Chauffeur at 3:54 PM on April 19, 2019 [1 favorite]

Roman Mars' insight about the problem was really useful. The fact that it happens to multiple people is actually helpful, not a problem, as well. Once he mentioned the percent sign, the problem was obvious to us C programmers. (But why not just change the title in the feed to "99 Percent Invisible"?)

In addition, bluetooth syncing and car entertainment systems having bugs? Shouldn't surprise anyone!

(But I suffer from the original Ford touchscreen display ("sync by Microsoft") which continues to exhibit new and innovative bugs 5 years on...)

So not that compelling...

until they made the actual fake podcasts, then it became brilliant!
posted by thefool at 12:27 PM on April 22, 2019

But why not just change the title in the feed to "99 Percent Invisible"?

@romanmars: Here's the thing, "%" looks cool, "percent" is meh. The car people better recognize!
posted by Lexica at 4:46 PM on April 22, 2019

Nancy_LockIsLit_Palmer: "Clearly, I need both more caffeine and an education in contemporary music. (Is there a podcast for that?)"

Also Switched on Pop.
posted by signal at 10:06 AM on April 23, 2019

Alex Goldman ICYMI: We appreciate all the support, but please don’t boycott or unsubscribe to Gimlet shows! We love our work and we want to keep doing it. The best thing you can do to help us is politely ask @Gimletmedia to recognize our union. Thank you again!

ICYMI: looks like whatever support you got helped. Congratulations on having your Union recognized by Gimlet management!
posted by Popular Ethics at 1:19 PM on April 23, 2019 [2 favorites]