Brazil x Turkey
June 26, 2002 8:26 AM Subscribe
Brazil x Turkey - If you don't want to know who won, don't click on the link nor the thread comments...
i missed it (again :) but i will endeavour to watch the finals this weekend!
..and after the dust settled, the football powers emerged..:) classic!
posted by kliuless at 8:41 AM on June 26, 2002
..and after the dust settled, the football powers emerged..:) classic!
posted by kliuless at 8:41 AM on June 26, 2002
What I want to know is when someone will make the "whats-your-world-cup-name.com", where your name can be either given a Germanic twist (I've dibs on Dickmann) or given that Brazilian single-name twist (I'm already on the Brazil roster with Ricardinho). Can't wait for the final and I really don't know who I will want to see win until I'm watching it. Congrats to all the teams along the way.
posted by Dick Paris at 8:46 AM on June 26, 2002
posted by Dick Paris at 8:46 AM on June 26, 2002
Whether we like it or not(I like!)Brazil and football are indivisible - they're not a national team that plays football when football tournaments are played. Whether they lose, draw or win, football is Brazil and Brazil is football. No other country is so ludicrous and gloriously obsessed with the game.
Here's BlueTrain's excellent post and link, btw. I didn't comment because it's beyond my abilities but Riviera's remarks in the thread seem just about right.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 8:55 AM on June 26, 2002
Here's BlueTrain's excellent post and link, btw. I didn't comment because it's beyond my abilities but Riviera's remarks in the thread seem just about right.
posted by MiguelCardoso at 8:55 AM on June 26, 2002
"If you don't want to know who won"? Like, what, if you're in serious denial? Obviously someone had to win -- what would be the point in not knowing who won?
posted by five fresh fish at 9:06 AM on June 26, 2002
posted by five fresh fish at 9:06 AM on June 26, 2002
they may be waiting to catch the match on replay.
let it go man.
posted by Frasermoo at 9:12 AM on June 26, 2002
let it go man.
posted by Frasermoo at 9:12 AM on June 26, 2002
There's a British journalist that's been living in Brazil for about 2 years and that writes about our football and our obsession with it. He's been traveling all over Brazil to know all the variations that are played here.
There's mud football in Santa Catarina and Rio Grande do Sul - people play football in a muddy field and, in the process prepare the field to the next rice crop.
There's headball, played by some indians, where you can only play using your head (even if you have to duck to hit it).
There's footbull, where people has to play the game and avoid the bulls that are at loose on the field.
It seems that we've managed to create several variations, according to the regions from where we are.
But what I found most interesting is that this British journalist said on TV that although he was sad for the British team, he was also happy for the Brazilian people, because he felt that football meant much, much more to us that it would mean to the British people. And to support his theory, he told that Brazilians would stop everything, dodge any appointments, skip any commitments to watch a World Cup match.
It's true. Our schools delay classes or even skip it completely and call it a holiday. We start late in our jobs, we get together at 3 AM in the morning to watch a game, we cut jobtime of to watch it. I remember one time when I was in college that there was a match in USA'94 and I had a final exam at the same time. I did took the exam, but I was listening to the game, using my headphones, and yelling at every goal, to the amusement of my colleagues and my teacher.
Do you see that level of fanaticism take your whole nation during World Cup?
posted by rexgregbr at 9:41 AM on June 26, 2002
There's mud football in Santa Catarina and Rio Grande do Sul - people play football in a muddy field and, in the process prepare the field to the next rice crop.
There's headball, played by some indians, where you can only play using your head (even if you have to duck to hit it).
There's footbull, where people has to play the game and avoid the bulls that are at loose on the field.
It seems that we've managed to create several variations, according to the regions from where we are.
But what I found most interesting is that this British journalist said on TV that although he was sad for the British team, he was also happy for the Brazilian people, because he felt that football meant much, much more to us that it would mean to the British people. And to support his theory, he told that Brazilians would stop everything, dodge any appointments, skip any commitments to watch a World Cup match.
It's true. Our schools delay classes or even skip it completely and call it a holiday. We start late in our jobs, we get together at 3 AM in the morning to watch a game, we cut jobtime of to watch it. I remember one time when I was in college that there was a match in USA'94 and I had a final exam at the same time. I did took the exam, but I was listening to the game, using my headphones, and yelling at every goal, to the amusement of my colleagues and my teacher.
Do you see that level of fanaticism take your whole nation during World Cup?
posted by rexgregbr at 9:41 AM on June 26, 2002
rexgrebr: you know, not everybody would be proud of an obsession like that... :-)
posted by dagny at 9:49 AM on June 26, 2002
posted by dagny at 9:49 AM on June 26, 2002
five fresh fish: one can never be satisfyed. If it's not people complaining about spoilers, it's people complaining about the lack of it... :-)
posted by rexgregbr at 9:53 AM on June 26, 2002
posted by rexgregbr at 9:53 AM on June 26, 2002
dagny: I know and I'm not proud. But acknowledgement is the first step to dealing with it, don't you think? :-)
posted by rexgregbr at 9:55 AM on June 26, 2002
posted by rexgregbr at 9:55 AM on June 26, 2002
rexgregbr, I think the journalist needs to go home for a while. He clearly doesn't know much about Britain.
posted by Summer at 10:29 AM on June 26, 2002
posted by Summer at 10:29 AM on June 26, 2002
heh, still elated from south korea's status as first asian team to make it to the semis! asian pride w00t!
posted by batou at 10:36 AM on June 26, 2002
posted by batou at 10:36 AM on June 26, 2002
Even though they lost, the Turks were great. The gave up a wonderful fight. I bet the next World Cup will see them as a more mature team...
It's the experience that got the Samba Strikers through, I think.
posted by arnab at 10:56 AM on June 26, 2002
It's the experience that got the Samba Strikers through, I think.
posted by arnab at 10:56 AM on June 26, 2002
This is worthy of a front page post?
posted by sharksandwich at 11:03 AM on June 26, 2002
posted by sharksandwich at 11:03 AM on June 26, 2002
If Turkey had started with Ilhan Mansiz instead of Sukur they'd have won. But do these so-called 'football coaches' listen to me? No.
posted by Summer at 12:48 PM on June 26, 2002
posted by Summer at 12:48 PM on June 26, 2002
sharksandwich: sorry if I disrupted the flow of threads about Israel x Palestine or more serious matters. Thank you for taking the time to come inside the thread and tell us all, vegetables, that our little funny chit-chat is not worthy of a FPP. Now you can go post on the thread about corporal punishment for kids and let us all felling sorry for wasting your time...
posted by rexgregbr at 1:00 PM on June 26, 2002
posted by rexgregbr at 1:00 PM on June 26, 2002
Summer: I just quoted him because I've been fairly interested about this question for about a week. I was just waiting for a post about football.
But I really wanted to know how serious football is in your country. Does it make it to the major networks TV newscast? Do you take time off from school/work to watch games? Do you have traffic jams during the matches of the national team?
posted by rexgregbr at 1:12 PM on June 26, 2002
But I really wanted to know how serious football is in your country. Does it make it to the major networks TV newscast? Do you take time off from school/work to watch games? Do you have traffic jams during the matches of the national team?
posted by rexgregbr at 1:12 PM on June 26, 2002
Sorry Rex, just didn't understand how a game that's already over can be spoiled by knowing the score. But, then, I don't watch sports, so I'm a little clueless on that front...
posted by five fresh fish at 1:22 PM on June 26, 2002
posted by five fresh fish at 1:22 PM on June 26, 2002
five fresh fish (what a cool id): because some people record the game (maybe they're working during the game or maybe they are away from home and couldn't watch it) to watch it later. Or watch a replay.
Anyway, each previous World Cup post that presented the results in the front page got someone complaining that it spoiled their intentions of watching it later. I've tried hard to avoid it on the front page and that's why I thought it was funny that you mentioned denial... :-)
posted by rexgregbr at 1:33 PM on June 26, 2002
Anyway, each previous World Cup post that presented the results in the front page got someone complaining that it spoiled their intentions of watching it later. I've tried hard to avoid it on the front page and that's why I thought it was funny that you mentioned denial... :-)
posted by rexgregbr at 1:33 PM on June 26, 2002
But I really wanted to know how serious football is in your country. Does it make it to the major networks TV newscast? Do you take time off from school/work to watch games? Do you have traffic jams during the matches of the national team?
Every game is broadcast live on BBC1 and ITV, the biggest TV channels, and is the headline of every news broadcast when England play. Some employers give time off to watch the matches, some don't. If we'd won the quarter final against Brazil I think the whole country would have had a huge party that day. If we'd got through to the final the country would have exploded. I don't like to think what might have happened if we'd won.
posted by Summer at 1:57 PM on June 26, 2002
Every game is broadcast live on BBC1 and ITV, the biggest TV channels, and is the headline of every news broadcast when England play. Some employers give time off to watch the matches, some don't. If we'd won the quarter final against Brazil I think the whole country would have had a huge party that day. If we'd got through to the final the country would have exploded. I don't like to think what might have happened if we'd won.
posted by Summer at 1:57 PM on June 26, 2002
Regarding broadcast, it's the same here. The major TV channel (Globo) bought the rights to broadcast all the games. Globo has 3 major news broadcasts (1 after lunch time, 1 at 8PM and 1 at the end of the night) and the 3 broadcasts have been co-hosted by anchors from Brazil and Asia simultaneously.
Employers don't even try to hold back the employees when Brazil play. They gave up (much like during carnival). The only things that work are the non-stop services, such as public security , health services and public transportation. And this is from the first game and on, not only quarter-finals.
During the second game, there was a gas and convenience store that was robbed by 2 very opportunistic men, but they were arrested later on.
It's virtually impossible to get stuck into a traffic jam during the games. There's no traffic at all, in fact some streets are taken by people that set up TVs and watch the game together, along with a lot of booze and music. I recall a Brazilian journalist lying on the floor of a major street in Rio de Janeiro, several years ago, and staying there for at least 15 minutes without being bothered by any cars, during rush hour.
The Brazilian goalkeeper from the 1950's World Cup (played here in Brazil) was considered by many the guilty part of our most dreadful defeat (we lost the final match to Uruguay). It doesn't matter that he was not the one in fault nor that he was a great player. He was never forgiven nor forgotten. That's how serious it is for us. Heck, people say that if we win the World Cup, it can be as well the end of the chances of Lula becoming President.
I'm not trying to convince you all that it's more important to us than it is to you. Just giving you some info on how important it is to us. Dead important.
And, by the way, Summer, thanks for replying. I was really rooting for England in the first part of the tournament and I wish you all a better luck next time. That game against Brazil was my favorite from all the tournament up till now.
posted by rexgregbr at 3:14 PM on June 26, 2002
Employers don't even try to hold back the employees when Brazil play. They gave up (much like during carnival). The only things that work are the non-stop services, such as public security , health services and public transportation. And this is from the first game and on, not only quarter-finals.
During the second game, there was a gas and convenience store that was robbed by 2 very opportunistic men, but they were arrested later on.
It's virtually impossible to get stuck into a traffic jam during the games. There's no traffic at all, in fact some streets are taken by people that set up TVs and watch the game together, along with a lot of booze and music. I recall a Brazilian journalist lying on the floor of a major street in Rio de Janeiro, several years ago, and staying there for at least 15 minutes without being bothered by any cars, during rush hour.
The Brazilian goalkeeper from the 1950's World Cup (played here in Brazil) was considered by many the guilty part of our most dreadful defeat (we lost the final match to Uruguay). It doesn't matter that he was not the one in fault nor that he was a great player. He was never forgiven nor forgotten. That's how serious it is for us. Heck, people say that if we win the World Cup, it can be as well the end of the chances of Lula becoming President.
I'm not trying to convince you all that it's more important to us than it is to you. Just giving you some info on how important it is to us. Dead important.
And, by the way, Summer, thanks for replying. I was really rooting for England in the first part of the tournament and I wish you all a better luck next time. That game against Brazil was my favorite from all the tournament up till now.
posted by rexgregbr at 3:14 PM on June 26, 2002
I don't like to think what might have happened if we'd won.
I'm all for Brazil but I'd have loved to watch England thrash Germany. Which they would have. Again. Pity, that.
Summer: I hope the result on Sunday is not indifferent to you. For England to have been eliminated by the winner of the World Cup is very honourable. Forget about Rivaldo and the theatrics. If Germany wins then England will have been indirectly beaten, via Brazil, by Germany too. And this we can't have. Agree!
posted by MiguelCardoso at 4:32 PM on June 26, 2002
I'm all for Brazil but I'd have loved to watch England thrash Germany. Which they would have. Again. Pity, that.
Summer: I hope the result on Sunday is not indifferent to you. For England to have been eliminated by the winner of the World Cup is very honourable. Forget about Rivaldo and the theatrics. If Germany wins then England will have been indirectly beaten, via Brazil, by Germany too. And this we can't have. Agree!
posted by MiguelCardoso at 4:32 PM on June 26, 2002
The British journalist referred to by rexgregbr is Alex Bellos. I recommend his book, Futebol - Soccer, the Brazilian Way. One chapter, Cars, Girls and Keeping It Up, is online. It covers fringe soccer sidelines like Autoball (soccer in cars), footvolley (volleyball using the feet), and the football juggling champions (Ronaldo's wife is a record-holder).
posted by liam at 4:39 PM on June 26, 2002
posted by liam at 4:39 PM on June 26, 2002
Unfortunately I have to say..
BOOOOO!
As the team who kicked England out of the World Cup in their best chance since 1996 (if only we got to play the USA instead), I have to say that I was rooting for Turkey and South Korea to get to the final.
Now, however, it's going to be extremely lame and boring, as two previous champions battle instead. Predictable, and dull. (Like soccer 99% of the time anyway, I guess)
posted by wackybrit at 10:04 PM on June 26, 2002
BOOOOO!
As the team who kicked England out of the World Cup in their best chance since 1996 (if only we got to play the USA instead), I have to say that I was rooting for Turkey and South Korea to get to the final.
Now, however, it's going to be extremely lame and boring, as two previous champions battle instead. Predictable, and dull. (Like soccer 99% of the time anyway, I guess)
posted by wackybrit at 10:04 PM on June 26, 2002
Germany should win, I am hoping they win.
It would be a travesty.
posted by walrus at 7:03 AM on June 27, 2002
It would be a travesty.
posted by walrus at 7:03 AM on June 27, 2002
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What a nervous game it was. But it's over now and it's Brazil's 3rd world cup final in a row.
posted by rexgregbr at 8:30 AM on June 26, 2002