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	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:37:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Post number 18197</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.touchgraph.com/TGGoogleBrowser.html"&gt;The TouchGraph GoogleBrowser&lt;/a&gt; uses Google&apos;s &lt;tt&gt;related:&lt;/tt&gt; links to visualize local maps of the web.  Enter &lt;tt&gt;www.metafilter.com&lt;/tt&gt; and watch the spider unfurl its arms.  Click on &quot;Show Singles&quot; for more specific pages, or set the &quot;radius&quot; to 10 for more nodes.  (Full &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.touchgraph.com/TGGB_FullInstructions.html&quot;&gt;instructions are here&lt;/a&gt;. )  Requires something called the Java Virtual Machine and may be IE-only, but that doesn&apos;t matter: my neighbors just called to ask if I was going to keep whooping like that all night.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:14:51 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>gleuschk</dc:creator>		<category>Google</category>		<category>maps</category>		<category>Internet</category>		<category>TouchGraph</category>
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		<title>By: skallas</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299286</link>	
		<description>Looks cute.  Does it do anything else?  Works in Mozilla btw.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:37:12 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>skallas</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: gleuschk</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299290</link>	
		<description>Yeah, I was just coming here to mention the Mozilla thing.  (I must not have waited long enough the first time.)

Um, what would you like?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:51:37 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>gleuschk</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: jokeefe</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299291</link>	
		<description>Works in Mozilla? {display of ignorance} I was just going to complain that I couldn&apos;t see that there were any compatible downloads {/display, I hope}. Can you advise, Graham?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:55:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rex</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299292</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kartoo.com/&quot;&gt;Something similar&lt;/a&gt; (in Flash), but not nearly as good (neither in graphing nor in results), yet still worth a look.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:57:28 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>rex</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: gleuschk</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299293</link>	
		<description>I just clicked and played - didn&apos;t have to install anything.  Sorry, I was just trying to forestall &quot;It don&apos;t work for me&quot;&apos;s.  Should just have kept my mouth shut.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:58:27 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>gleuschk</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: DyRE</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299301</link>	
		<description>When I looked at the page all it said it required was JRE (Java Runtime Environment) 1.3.

That said, this is cool. Though for whatever reason isn&apos;t working with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opera.com/&quot;&gt;Opera&lt;/a&gt;. I see MeFi already occupies the top spots under &quot;most popular referrers for TouchGraph GoogleBrowser.&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 16:26:41 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>DyRE</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: fpatrick</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299307</link>	
		<description>Darn -- looks like an interesting idea, but it doesn&apos;t seem to work with my Mac (OS X 10.1.5, IE 5.2).</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 16:44:36 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>fpatrick</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: priyanga</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299318</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kartoo.com/&quot;&gt;all &lt;/a&gt;sorts of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theyrule.net/&quot;&gt;fun&lt;/a&gt;  ways to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.plumbdesign.com/thesaurus/index.html&quot;&gt;illustrate&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://sourceforge.net/projects/hypertree/&quot;&gt;how &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~ngg/InfoViz/&quot;&gt;information &lt;/a&gt;is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.concentric.net/~aleph0/cs/hyperbolic/&quot;&gt;interconnected&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:12:42 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>priyanga</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: donkeyschlong</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299319</link>	
		<description>fpatrick -- it works for me under that config, although only for major sites, which is something i don&apos;t understand.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:12:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dhartung</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299321</link>	
		<description>&lt;small&gt;The JVM is an instantiation of the Java language in its own memory space. The JRE is an end-user implementation of the JVM.&lt;/small&gt;

Since these guys are only permitted 1000 searches/day under their Google API license key, they&apos;re asking for more to be donated -- though I wonder if Google will perceive that as kosher. I would assume those 1000 have been exhausted by today and thus new sites can&apos;t be added for the time being.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:19:44 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dhartung</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: rotifer</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299322</link>	
		<description>I was curious why it only works for major sites as well.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:20:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: skallas</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299327</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Um, what would you like?&lt;/i&gt;

Cool link. I was just kidding.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:42:24 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>skallas</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: jragon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299338</link>	
		<description>It only works on major sites because they&apos;ve been cached.  I&apos;m assuming.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:09:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: yhbc</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299343</link>	
		<description>Uh-oh. It&apos;s MetaFiltered. Cache only, compadres.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:18:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: davidmsc</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299346</link>	
		<description>Way cool, gleuschk. Thanks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:28:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mediareport</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299350</link>	
		<description>Very nice link. And thanks, priyanga, for that wonderful visual thesaurus at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.plumbdesign.com/thesaurus/index.html&quot;&gt;plumbdesign&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:32:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Foaf</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299361</link>	
		<description>they&apos;ve used up their google-api-call-limit. That&apos;s why the majors are cached</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:00:47 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Foaf</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: dejah420</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299369</link>	
		<description>See, this is why I love coders...they do groovy stuff like this. :)  Nice app...I like it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:32:37 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dejah420</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: hobbes</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299380</link>	
		<description>Praystation has something like that with the Carnivore piece.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 20:09:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: moss</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299390</link>	
		<description>The TouchGraph WikiBrowser, built on the same system, is also interesting. Assuming you use Wikis, at least.

(It&apos;s not web-based, but you can look at some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.touchgraph.com/TGWB_101_SS.html&quot;&gt;screenshots&lt;/a&gt; and then &lt;a href=&quot;http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/touchgraph/TGWB_101.zip&quot;&gt;download&lt;/a&gt; it.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 20:47:30 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>moss</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: muppetboy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299394</link>	
		<description>Doesn&apos;t work for me.  Like some other recent applets I&apos;ve tried using, Sun&apos;s 1.4 plugin software somehow doesn&apos;t run and it tries to download JRE 1.3... which then screws up my system if I let it...  oh well!!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 20:54:21 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>muppetboy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: southisup</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299418</link>	
		<description>Does anyone know anything more on Google&apos;s attitude to key donation? Their &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/apis/api_terms.html&quot;&gt;acceptable use policy&lt;/a&gt; clearly states personal only, although diveintomark &lt;a href=&quot;http://diveintomark.org/archives/2002/06/04.html#who_are_the_people_in_your_neighborhood&quot;&gt;doesn&apos;t read that as excluding donation&lt;/a&gt; and he hasn&apos;t been told off. There&apos;s nothing that I can find to clarify this on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/groups?group=google.public.web-apis&quot;&gt;help newsgroup&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/apis/api_faq.html&quot;&gt;FAQ&lt;/a&gt; that Google point you towards.

muppetboy: The TouchGraph GoogleBrowser works for me using &lt;a href=&quot;http://java.sun.com/getjava/download.html&quot;&gt;Sun&apos;s Java Plug-in 1.4.0_01&lt;/a&gt; - some applets didn&apos;t work when I first installed it, but I&apos;ve had no problems since, although I don&apos;t remember where the applets were that failed so I haven&apos;t [knowingly] retried them. At the time I googled for the error messages I was getting, and they all seemed to be related to intermittent problems. Have you done a restart since installing?

There&apos;s a crow in the tree, right outside the window, gathering nesting material. Very beautiful.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 21:46:15 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>southisup</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: brownpau</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299422</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s kind of cute, how you can sort of gauge a site&apos;s memetic influence by &quot;pulling&quot; on it and seeing other connected sites get pulled along as well. Pulling Evhead, Scripting, Kottke, or Camworld, for example, drags a whole bunch of bloggers along with them, while pulling Slashdot disturbs bunches of GNU and opensource sites, while pulling me... hey, where am I? Durn it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2002 21:52:39 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>brownpau</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Mwongozi</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299482</link>	
		<description>How does Google calculate &quot;related&quot; sites anyway?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jul 2002 04:02:52 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mwongozi</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: alumshubby</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/18197/#299498</link>	
		<description>If you like what it does, then surely you&apos;ll &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;love&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kartoo.com/&quot;&gt;Kartoo&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jul 2002 04:58:15 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alumshubby</dc:creator>
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