August 6, 2002

3:57 PM

"Please remember the victims,living and dead, of silent, brutal, and illegal electronic, chemical and drug, mind altering and controlling weapons testing, often in their homes. For many this involuntary testing continues to this very day and hour."
Are they really victims of men like Dr. Jose Delgado? Or can we dismiss all of them as crazy?
posted by Fabulon7 (14 comments total)

Ummm...

Where do I start?

I think there are things we don't quite comprehend, and I also know from experience that the human mind, when unhinged, can come up with some really amazingly crazy shit.

I personally was fortunate not to have entered the truly paranoid realm, but I can understand how for those who have, the strangenesses that the human mind can perpetrate on itself could be quite horrifying, and possibly appear like an attack on the self from outside entities.

Insanity ain't pretty, kids.

But on the other hand, haven't many good things in the world come from people who have had visions or hallucinations or strange mentally-transformative experiences?

These come from many sources - fever, drugs, ascetic behaviors (fasting, chanting), and on and on.

The human mind is a very powerful, amazingly complex thing that we have only barely begun to comprehend even the tiniest fraction of.

The next couple of thousand years of discovery are going to be really amazing, methinks. That is if we don't end up annihilating ourselves or heading back towards the stone age.

And no, I don't trust the government further than I can spit it, but I think that it's crippled by ineptitude on a level that would make mastery of technology like this (if it's real, which I doubt) impossible. Thank goodness.
posted by beth at 4:11 PM on August 6, 2002

of course that's what someone who's in on it would say...
posted by folktrash at 4:16 PM on August 6, 2002

my personal favorite high tech mind control government persecution victim is james henry graf who once took exception to my linking his site. james has his finger on the pulse of current events. enjoy as he regales his acolytes with tales of strange arabic voices in his phone even as the airliners were penetrating the trade center.
posted by quonsar at 4:32 PM on August 6, 2002

folktrash: LOL

I'm not in on it, if it's going on.

One of my crazy deals is that sometimes I feel like I'm channeling the spirits of the Founding Fathers. And boy, Jefferson is _pissed_.
posted by beth at 4:44 PM on August 6, 2002

They're almost certainly schizophrenics. Illegal experimentation and mind control are common tropes of paranoid schizophrenia. It's actually pretty amazing how similar the scenarios they come up with are. (And if you read schizophrenics' letters, there are some striking similarities between them, too.)

Of course, there has been illegal human experimentation (the case of tennis star Harold Blauer is particularly disturbing), but the people convinced that they're being experimented on are unfortunately a few tacos short of a combo platter.
posted by ptermit at 4:44 PM on August 6, 2002

er, that should read "enjoy as his acolytes regale him..."
posted by quonsar at 4:44 PM on August 6, 2002

Of course, there has been illegal human experimentation

Here's another case I learned about recently: people who were injected with plutonium during the Manhattan Project. Stories like this are why the Bush administration's love of secrecy makes me nervous.
posted by homunculus at 5:35 PM on August 6, 2002

And boy, Jefferson is _pissed_.

Man, I think that all the time.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 6:56 PM on August 6, 2002

They made a Documentary about it called Jacobs Ladder
posted by buz46 at 8:21 PM on August 6, 2002

Sweet. If the CIA gets this stuff, I see no reason my branch shouldn't get a few toys. C'mon, mind control would be pretty nifty.
posted by Lord Chancellor at 3:22 AM on August 7, 2002

I bet the enigmatic Robert Spridgeon had something to do with this.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 8:28 AM on August 7, 2002

C'mon, mind control would be pretty nifty.

C'mon, mind control would be pretty nifty.

C'mon, mind control would be pretty nifty.

Damn you Lord Chancellor. Make it stop! ;)
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 8:41 AM on August 7, 2002

Francis E. Dec, Esquire: YOUR ONLY HOPE FOR A FUTURE!

I received one of his mailings when I worked at my college newspaper. amazing.
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posted by planetkyoto at 9:18 AM on August 7, 2002

mkultra

I don't claim to be an expert on applied mind control but I'm not entirely ignorant of it either. now when it comes to mind control in general, in theory, I do have some specific thoughts.

<rant>
*this is me getting up high so you can hear me preach*

mind control is ugly. as ugly as it gets. it's about destroying the human condition. breaking it down into parts and treating it as machinery. it's about tearing at that thing so often taken for the soul, your will.

it's probably lonely. you become a victim and you escape with some part of yourself, damaged and deranged, but maybe sane enough to get something out. then you are ignored and ridiculed. you're pitied too, but in the wrong way. not for being a victim, but for being so crazy as to even be able to imagine yourself the paranoid center of vast plots. would one look at the victim of assault, battered and beaten, and suggest they couldn't be a victim because what would be the motive to attack someone in such a state. ridiculous, obviously, because it's that very assault that put them in that position. who could know at the moment what they looked like before, how they behaved.

the terrifying thing is that the way these people are treated, the way they're so successfully ignored it is of little doubt that even if their claims are true no one would care or listen.

stranger things are true.

*this is me getting down, dusting off and walking off into the distance - foam on my lips talking to myself*
</rant>

google in five mnutes:
http://earthops.org/mk_ultra.html

http://www.parascope.com/ds/documentslibrary/documents/mkultrahearing/intro.htm

http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/95unclass/100Days.html (search for mkultra, it appears fairly far down the page)
posted by ex.pr.ni at 6:06 PM on August 8, 2002