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	<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:41:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Post number 19613</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,496270,00.asp"&gt;Codename Marklar:&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.apple.com/&quot;&gt;Marklar&lt;/a&gt; is maintaining a feature-complete marklar of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.apple.com/macosx/&quot;&gt;Marklar&lt;/a&gt; running on &lt;a href=&quot;http://searchhp.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid6_gci213398,00.html&quot;&gt;Marklar&lt;/a&gt; as a fall-back marklar in case the &lt;a href=&quot;http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci212818,00.html&quot;&gt;Marklar&lt;/a&gt; is no longer viable. Maintained since the early days of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.apple.com/macosx/&quot;&gt;Marklar&lt;/a&gt;, Marklar gains greater relevance in the context of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.motorola.com/&quot;&gt;Marklar&lt;/a&gt;&apos;s inability to deliver higher-frequency &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.apple.com/g4/&quot;&gt;Marklars&lt;/a&gt;, but is seen as less likely given &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ibm.com/&quot;&gt;Marklar&lt;/a&gt;&apos;s forthcoming 64-bit &lt;a href=&quot;http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/pseries/hardware/whitepapers/power4.html&quot;&gt;Marklar&lt;/a&gt;-based &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.com.com/2100-1001-949030.html&quot;&gt;Marklar&lt;/a&gt;. (&lt;i&gt;via &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2002/08/20020830181129.shtml&quot;&gt;Marklar&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;)</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:35:51 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mcwetboy</dc:creator>		<category>apple</category>		<category>mac</category>		<category>osx</category>		<category>powerpc</category>
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		<title>By: majick</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334679</link>	
		<description>Umm... Malkovich?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:41:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: amberglow</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334681</link>	
		<description>interesting marklar, majick.....but would microsoft be able to stop apple from putting its marklar in their marklars? ; &amp;gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:45:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: eyeballkid</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334684</link>	
		<description>Interesting. But what would a release do to Marklar&apos;s business strategy? They are hardware manufacturers as well. I imagine that if Marklar was released, the times would be a&apos; changing. It would be a feature filled, &lt;i&gt;user-friendly&lt;/i&gt;, cheap hardware compatible version of BSD. Neat-O.

(on preview, the hardware isn&apos;t MS&apos;s amberglow, just the operating system is.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:49:05 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>eyeballkid</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: amberglow</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334685</link>	
		<description>oh sorry, eye, so do dell, gateway, etc have exclusive chip deals? I thought that chips (like intel&apos;s) were built specifically to run microsoft&apos;s os (because that&apos;s what the majority of consumers use), like apple&apos;s chips do for apple&apos;s os. (i guess i got all marklared there)</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 08:54:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: zerolucid</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334689</link>	
		<description>Very strange post to read immediately after getting out of bed.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:19:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: malphigian</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334692</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt; I thought that chips (like intel&apos;s) were built specifically to run microsoft&apos;s os&lt;/i&gt;

Nah, that is generally all marketing.  AMD and Intel would be plenty happy to have another consumer OS running on their CPUs.  See AMD and Intel&apos;s support for linux as an example.  They certainly don&apos;t want to piss off MS, but they aren&apos;t magically tied in any way. 

Dell and the like are a somewhat different matter, since they get crazy bulk deals from Intel and Microsoft, which they lose if they start stepping on toes.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:33:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: amberglow</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334693</link>	
		<description>thanks mal. given microsoft&apos;s strong-arm tactics, I always thought the chip makers were under their control.

I wonder how happy apple is to have the world know they&apos;re hedging their bets like this...it looks like more ammo for the &quot;apple&apos;s dying&quot; crowd

&lt;small&gt;and thanks mcwet..i misattributed earlier&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:38:57 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>amberglow</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: skylar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334696</link>	
		<description>Have I missed something, Mcwetboy, or are you a total asshole? Is there a reason you couldn&apos;t have written the post in plain English so we can understand the nature of your comment? Really annoying.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:50:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: malphigian</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334699</link>	
		<description>skyler: Apple chose the codename based on a south park episode, mcwetboy wrote the post in the same style as said episode. 

I thought it was funny, and didn&apos;t have much trouble figuring out what it was all about.  Maybe you didn&apos;t think it was funny, but &quot;total asshole&quot; might be a bit extreme, no? 

Also, metatalk is a more appropriate place for calling someone an asshole :)</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 09:55:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: eyeballkid</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334705</link>	
		<description>Time to cut back on the caffiene.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:25:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: eyeballkid</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334706</link>	
		<description>caff&lt;i&gt;ei&lt;/i&gt;ne, rather.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:26:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BGM</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334707</link>	
		<description>Great post, I laughed my marklar off. And skylar, I&apos;m warning you, chill out or I&apos;ll post another Ann Coulter article!!!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:29:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: chrisgregory</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334708</link>	
		<description>Codename Skylar: Skylar is maintaining a feature-complete Skylar of Skylar running on Skylar as a fall-back Skylar in case the Skylar is no longer viable. Maintained since the early days of Skylar, Skylar gains greater relevance in the context of Skylar&apos;s inability to deliver higher-frequency Skylars, but is seen as less likely given Skylar&apos;s forthcoming 64-bit Skylar-based Skylar. (via Skylar)

Relax, guy!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:31:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: neustile</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334710</link>	
		<description>I would like to remind everyone that this article (the eweek one) was written by the &apos;chief editor&apos; of ThinkSecret, an apple rumors site. They (as a lot, I don&apos;t read &apos;em individually) are usually 100% spot on &lt;i&gt;wrong&lt;/i&gt;. I could list off a dozen hilarious products that were CONFIRMED as coming out at the next keynote but never materialised. Hours of fun can be had by reading post-keynote wiggles on these sites: &quot;Sources now confirm that the HyperActive Roundnut Accellerator, which we predicted would appear an hour ago, was actually held up in traffic on the way to the keynote.&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:42:26 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bonaldi</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334734</link>	
		<description>neustile: I think you may have been confused by another mac rumours site, possibly spymac.com. ThinkSecret are actually usually spot-on the money, and certainly were with Jaguar and the new G4s. There is another site (I think it *is* spymac.com), that had the mock-ups of the iWalk and such other obvious fakery, but ThinkSecret isn&apos;t it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:49:09 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bonaldi</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334736</link>	
		<description>D&apos;ye know, if I&apos;d read the (bit in brackets) I wouldn&apos;t have needed to post. Sorry. But my point about ThinkSecret stands, it&apos;s certainly the only Mac rumour site I trust, and the knowledge that this was written by one of their staff convinces me of the intel truth all the more</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:53:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rhyax</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334741</link>	
		<description>i just assumed it was joke since so many people whine about apple posts. this one clearly wasn&apos;t a product announcement though. funny.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:07:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jragon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334746</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;They (as a lot, I don&apos;t read &apos;em individually) are usually 100% spot on wrong.&lt;/i&gt;

Just to reiterate the comments of others -- this is the only Mac site to consistently get it right.  

As for the &quot;apple&apos;s dying&quot; crowd, I don&apos;t see this as hedging bets, I see it as keeping options open.  I think they&apos;ll just release intel/amd powered Macs in the future, but still not open the OS entirely to any old piece of hardware.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:30:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: neustile</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334750</link>	
		<description>bonaldi, jragon: apologies for misrepresenting thinksecret! I&apos;ll have to actually read that one sometime. You can&apos;t blame someone for assuming they&apos;re bunk, though.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:47:31 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>neustile</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: sudama</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334751</link>	
		<description>I don&apos;t know anyone who follows Apple who &lt;i&gt;doesn&apos;t&lt;/i&gt; assume they have a version of OS X ported to the x86 architecture. Though unconfirmed, it&apos;s widely considered more than a rumor and less than a secret.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:48:47 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: neustile</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334752</link>	
		<description>p.s. we can only hope they&apos;re not confusing Darwin (the kernel of OSX which certainly does have an x86 port-- anyone can download and run it) with the full-bore OSX (Aqua and all.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:48:55 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>neustile</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: wrench</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334754</link>	
		<description>Skylar is just mad that the Lords of the Underworld broke up.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:56:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: holloway</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19613/#334842</link>	
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I imagine that if Marklar was released, the times would be a&apos; changing. It would be a feature filled, user-friendly, cheap hardware compatible version of BSD&lt;/blockquote&gt;It wouldn&apos;t necessarily be cheap as x86 doesn&apos;t mean generic parts. You could surround a x86 CPU with custom hardware and charge the earth.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:13:44 -0800</pubDate>
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