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(I could have phrased that better. There is, of course, no possible bit that could justify saying things like that.)
posted by freelanceastro at 8:01 PM on October 6, 2022
posted by freelanceastro at 8:01 PM on October 6, 2022
Before this FPP gets deleted, I’ll recommend the whole special, Hollywood, Look I'm Smiling. Really funny. Sadly, it was on Showtime, and no one cares about comedy specials on Showtime since Gallagher.
posted by riruro at 8:35 PM on October 6, 2022
posted by riruro at 8:35 PM on October 6, 2022
Booooo
Recently this dude was alleged of child molestation and grooming from a sketch video (with Tiffany Haddish). I had never heard of him until he fat shamed Lizzo.
Best of the Internet?
I'm going with Crissle on this one...
posted by PistachioRoux at 9:31 PM on October 6, 2022 [2 favorites]
Recently this dude was alleged of child molestation and grooming from a sketch video (with Tiffany Haddish). I had never heard of him until he fat shamed Lizzo.
Best of the Internet?
I'm going with Crissle on this one...
posted by PistachioRoux at 9:31 PM on October 6, 2022 [2 favorites]
The impressions are not really that great, either. The Arnold is pretty good, but that's more of a caricature.
posted by zardoz at 12:26 AM on October 7, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by zardoz at 12:26 AM on October 7, 2022 [1 favorite]
Recently this dude was alleged of child molestation and grooming from a sketch video (with Tiffany Haddish).
Dismissed, although Haddish says now that she regrets making the video with Spears. I don't have much use for Spears, even though he used to be pretty funny on MADtv, after his fat-shaming of Lizzo.
posted by Halloween Jack at 4:47 AM on October 7, 2022
Dismissed, although Haddish says now that she regrets making the video with Spears. I don't have much use for Spears, even though he used to be pretty funny on MADtv, after his fat-shaming of Lizzo.
posted by Halloween Jack at 4:47 AM on October 7, 2022
I've always thought that Pacino and DeNiro chew scenery as much as Schwarzenegger and Stallone, ie: they can only play themselves, so I reject the premise. I actually think Heat is as campy as like Kindergarten Cop or Rambo 4, where Stallone only speaks in mumbles.
posted by The_Vegetables at 8:34 AM on October 7, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by The_Vegetables at 8:34 AM on October 7, 2022 [3 favorites]
Agreeing completely with The_Vegetables, also fuck this guy completely.
eta: the comic, not The_Vegetables—just so we're perfectly clear
posted by ivanthenotsoterrible at 8:40 AM on October 7, 2022
eta: the comic, not The_Vegetables—just so we're perfectly clear
posted by ivanthenotsoterrible at 8:40 AM on October 7, 2022
Pacino was so over the top in that movie! I rewatched it a few years ago, and the moment that a bug-eyed Pacino shouts "SHE'S GOT A BIG ASS!!!" was when my cognitive dissonance fully switched on. It's like he's part of a different movie.
posted by ishmael at 9:12 AM on October 7, 2022
posted by ishmael at 9:12 AM on October 7, 2022
It is both a fine movie in its way and also an opportunity to reflect on the way in which Pacino became someone they roll onto the set strapped to a moving dolly, carefully unpackage, and activate. I don't even know when it happened. Scent of a Woman? Before? I know at some point my mom said "I could watch him act all day long!" and that was the first time I'd ever really thought much about watching someone act as opposed to watching a performance.
I did get "lucky," and managed to reserve the ebook of Heat 2 from my local library ahead of the line. It was sort of interesting to see what Michael Mann and his co-author felt was useful to reiterate or remind us of about the characters in order to revisit them, because the things that survived the film-depiction-to-novelized-sequel centrifuge were the tics and the worst parts of the dialog.
The third major character in the novel is Chris (Val Kilmer who, just, you know, did a performance in the movie.) There were no real tics to latch on to there, so you get to just read the Chris parts like it's some guy with a checkered past and crime skills. I think there's a "presents i.d. with dead-eyed stare" scene in the novel that's ... "Yeah, man, that's Chris! Whenever he holds up his i.d. he gives 'em a dead-eyed stare! Just like when he buys the explosives for the heist!" but otherwise it's just this guy and the vague unease of knowing Mann wants to produce the novel and wondering if we're going to either have a Deadwood: The Movie situation, or a Spiderverse situation.
posted by mph at 10:55 AM on October 7, 2022 [2 favorites]
I did get "lucky," and managed to reserve the ebook of Heat 2 from my local library ahead of the line. It was sort of interesting to see what Michael Mann and his co-author felt was useful to reiterate or remind us of about the characters in order to revisit them, because the things that survived the film-depiction-to-novelized-sequel centrifuge were the tics and the worst parts of the dialog.
The third major character in the novel is Chris (Val Kilmer who, just, you know, did a performance in the movie.) There were no real tics to latch on to there, so you get to just read the Chris parts like it's some guy with a checkered past and crime skills. I think there's a "presents i.d. with dead-eyed stare" scene in the novel that's ... "Yeah, man, that's Chris! Whenever he holds up his i.d. he gives 'em a dead-eyed stare! Just like when he buys the explosives for the heist!" but otherwise it's just this guy and the vague unease of knowing Mann wants to produce the novel and wondering if we're going to either have a Deadwood: The Movie situation, or a Spiderverse situation.
posted by mph at 10:55 AM on October 7, 2022 [2 favorites]
It is both a fine movie in its way and also an opportunity to reflect on the way in which Pacino became someone they roll onto the set strapped to a moving dolly, carefully unpackage, and activate. I don't even know when it happened.
I think that there's a certain type of actor, usually male and older, who gets hired for their shtick, and that's precisely what they deliver. Jack Nicholson kind of got into that, although he's still capable of delivering something else (I was very impressed by his work in About Schmidt), and I'll be very interested to see what Christopher Walken does with the role of the Emperor in the Dune sequel coming up.
posted by Halloween Jack at 11:24 AM on October 7, 2022 [1 favorite]
I think that there's a certain type of actor, usually male and older, who gets hired for their shtick, and that's precisely what they deliver. Jack Nicholson kind of got into that, although he's still capable of delivering something else (I was very impressed by his work in About Schmidt), and I'll be very interested to see what Christopher Walken does with the role of the Emperor in the Dune sequel coming up.
posted by Halloween Jack at 11:24 AM on October 7, 2022 [1 favorite]
Oh, yeah. George Clooney is a known quantity acting product, which is what made his character in O Brother Where Art Thou? fun, and created tension in Out of Sight (because he's handsome and possessed of low cunning, but also sort of dim and flat-footed, in the Elmore criminal tradition).
Neither Pacino nor DeNiro really surrender their whole "avatar of male power" in Heat, and I wonder if that's the thing that makes the turns against type interesting. The tension with Jeff Bridges in Old Man feels like a lot of it derives from "does he have one more unit of competence in him, or will his body and mind fail him?"
posted by mph at 12:32 PM on October 7, 2022 [1 favorite]
Neither Pacino nor DeNiro really surrender their whole "avatar of male power" in Heat, and I wonder if that's the thing that makes the turns against type interesting. The tension with Jeff Bridges in Old Man feels like a lot of it derives from "does he have one more unit of competence in him, or will his body and mind fail him?"
posted by mph at 12:32 PM on October 7, 2022 [1 favorite]
interested to see what Christopher Walken does with the role of the Emperor in the Dune sequel coming up.
Wait really?? In my mind he’s been cross-associated with Dune for a long time since appearing in the Weapon Of Choice video, which references Dune in the lyrics. (“Walk without rhythm, and you won’t attract the worm”) So now I’ll have to push past that and his innate Walken-ness for him to disappear into the role. Luckily I like him, so it won’t be a low point like in Bladerunner 2049, where I couldn’t enjoy Jared Leto’s scenes at all.
posted by Jon Mitchell at 5:53 PM on October 7, 2022
Wait really?? In my mind he’s been cross-associated with Dune for a long time since appearing in the Weapon Of Choice video, which references Dune in the lyrics. (“Walk without rhythm, and you won’t attract the worm”) So now I’ll have to push past that and his innate Walken-ness for him to disappear into the role. Luckily I like him, so it won’t be a low point like in Bladerunner 2049, where I couldn’t enjoy Jared Leto’s scenes at all.
posted by Jon Mitchell at 5:53 PM on October 7, 2022
It's been a long time since I realized one of Pacino's reliable character traits is that he is always yelling, even when he whispers, so some time before that. "Scent of a Woman" sounds about right, but I didn't pay much attention to him in the 90s.
posted by rhizome at 5:36 PM on October 10, 2022
posted by rhizome at 5:36 PM on October 10, 2022
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