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	<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:26:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Post number 19733</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.shift.com/"&gt;Shift Magazine Turns 10&lt;/a&gt; They&apos;ve got a fine commemorative Collector&apos;s Issue out, which fittingly includes various Top 10 lists.  Among them: Reasons Weblogs Exist, Sites Wil Wheaton Quite Enjoys, and Top Heavyweights On The Web (which lists our beloved Matt Haughey at No. 8, two places above the ubiquitous Evan Williams).  A damn good read.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:14:42 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>susanlucci</dc:creator>		<category>ShiftMagazine</category>		<category>Collector&apos;sIssue</category>		<category>changinglink</category>		<category>MattHaughey</category>
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		<title>By: y2karl</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19733/#337473</link>	
		<description>Excuse the snarky question--but is that considered a well designed site? Ow, my eyes! Also, you&apos;d think that they could have caught that EXERPT pronto. No spel chek for headlines, I suppose, but don&apos;t they have prufereeders anymore? Thank you for the link, just the same.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:26:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: maudlin</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19733/#337480</link>	
		<description>Finally online! The top ten sites are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shift.com/content/10.3/400/1.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh, and my challenge from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://metatalk.metafilter.com/mefi/2478#45510&quot;&gt;long-dead MetaTalk thread&lt;/a&gt; to match the heavyweights to the sites still stands.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:30:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: y2karl</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19733/#337487</link>	
		<description>Did like this:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The Internet Is Going to Be Our Generation&apos;s Vietnam&quot; 

Winter 1996 - Comment made by me after noting that everyone I knew was flocking to new media jobs. For years, the options-holding class mocked my pessimism. Well guys, it&apos;s 2002, and you were right. How was I to know that Afghanistan would be our generation&apos;s Vietnam?&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:35:23 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>y2karl</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: poopy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19733/#337503</link>	
		<description>Yes, great link and it didn&apos;t really hurt my eyes, although I&apos;ve always preferred &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shift.jp.org/&quot;&gt;Shift&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:54:27 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>poopy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: y2karl</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19733/#337514</link>	
		<description>Shift is much easier to read. 

Tiny tiny light text on a dark background is my least favorite thing. *glares at disinfo*

The Simpsons article was great until it went off the tracks:

&lt;i&gt;Eventually, the story of a few crazy, obsessive kids spinning their favourite hobby into a free-wheeling, world-beating company with a multi-million-dollar ipo would become an archetype, and then a clich&#233;, and finally -- after the bubble burst -- a cautionary tale.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, it&apos;s about the &lt;i&gt;Simpsons Generation&lt;/i&gt;, I realize but that&apos;s a clunker of a segue and a sentence.    I&apos;ll go scratch my head now.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:05:33 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>y2karl</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: y2karl</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19733/#337525</link>	
		<description>er, that japanese Shift is easier to read...</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:15:13 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>y2karl</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: poopy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19733/#337544</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Tiny tiny light text on a dark background is my least favorite thing.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, i agree tiny text can be annoying on content-based sites but I think it can look damn fine with design sites like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.praystation.com&quot;&gt;praystation&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rinzen.com&quot;&gt;rinzen&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:29:06 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>poopy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: lupus_yonderboy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19733/#337576</link>	
		<description>I love how the anniversary issue has conveniently forgotten the mag started out as a literary journal dedicated to finding and promoting new and innovative Canadian writers.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:47:54 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>lupus_yonderboy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: spilon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19733/#337582</link>	
		<description>I came across Shift a few years ago, liked it alot, and promptly subscribed. About 3 months after I sent in my check, I got three issues in the mail on the same day. About six months later I got one more issue. Then I got a letter saying my subscription would be terminated because I never paid.... even though I paid for a year in advance. Sheesh... hard to believe they&apos;ve stayed in business for 10 years!</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:49:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: RJ Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19733/#337645</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Wil Wheaton, Moby 

We&apos;ve highlighted their mad blogging skills before in Shift, so we don&apos;t want to waste more of your time or our space on them. But their journals are good, so check them out. &lt;/i&gt;

Laugh, cry, laugh, cry. Can&apos;t decide.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:32:26 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>RJ Reynolds</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: mikel</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19733/#337783</link>	
		<description>They have barely survived all that time, spilon. They&apos;ve made it from bail-out to bail-out, essentially, from new-investor-dictated-identity to new-investor-dictated-identity.

I went to university with the founders and knew most if not all of the writers tapped in the first three or four issues - it really was no more than a zine made by a bunch of friends back then. But put out a zine in Canada for 4 issues with a glossy cover and it&apos;s pretty much guaranteed - or it was 10 years ago - that someone would imagine a media empire from coast to coast to coast - that really was all it took to garner notice.

But though the original Shift gang (Evan Solomon, Andy Heintzman, et al.) gets a lot of crap, I think they did a good job under very constrained conditions. Some incarnations of the mag were simply wonderful, featuring fantastic writing and a more forward-looking attitude than Wired or some of the others.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:26:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: aflores</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19733/#338399</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Excuse the snarky question--but is that considered a well designed site?&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, it&apos;s rather difficult to navigate.

I was already reaching into the cupboard for the syrup, but a few of the lists were online, although none that were mentioned.

Grrr!!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Sep 2002 02:10:26 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>aflores</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: hoder</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/19733/#339229</link>	
		<description>Their online &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shift.com/webmore.html?atid=1&amp;from=subnav&quot;&gt;features&lt;/a&gt; are great as well. Like &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shift.com/content/web/385/1.html&quot;&gt;THE DIGITAL DARK AGE&lt;/a&gt;&quot; about risks of having all of the world&apos;s total information on hard drives with one-year limited warranties by David Emberton, and &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shift.com/content/web/391/1.html&quot;&gt;BRINGING THE MOUNTAIN TO MOHAMMED&lt;/a&gt;&quot; about why weblogs have become so popular in Iran and how can it change the face of Islam by Geoff Girvitz</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:33:02 -0800</pubDate>
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