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	<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:21:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Post number 20105</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;...a $17,100 traveling toilet box; a $15,000 dog umbrella stand; a $6,300 sewing basket; a $6,000 shower curtain; $5,960 for two sets of sheets; a $2,900 set of coat hangers; a $2,200 gilt metal wastebasket; a $1,650 notebook; and a $445 pincushion.&lt;/i&gt; Yes, it&apos;s more &lt;b&gt;insane&lt;/b&gt; corporate greed:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/18/business/18TYCO.html&quot;&gt;Tyco Details Lavish Lives of Executives &lt;/a&gt;&lt;small&gt; (NYT link, &apos;free&apos; regis. req&apos;d)&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:19:01 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>		<category>tyco</category>		<category>executives</category>		<category>corporategreed</category>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#347717</link>	
		<description>&lt;small&gt;What the heck is that MeFi username/password for the Times, anyway? I couldn&apos;t find it...&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:21:52 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: deathofme</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#347732</link>	
		<description>name:metafilter46
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:43:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: aladfar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#347745</link>	
		<description>What does a $1,650 notebook look like?  I imagine some guilded, jewel encrusted monstrosity.  Does anyone have links to products such as these?  The only thing I can think of that comes close are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vertu.com/vertu/&quot;&gt;Vertu cell phones&lt;/a&gt;.

Regardless, I&apos;ve a hard time believing that executives would purchase items like these for themselves.  I expect they were gifts for wives and &quot;escorts&quot; with poor taste.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:58:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Grod</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#347746</link>	
		<description>What&apos;s so bad about this?  If they make the money, they might as well enjoy it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:58:41 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Grod</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: BitterOldPunk</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#347756</link>	
		<description>Newsflash: rich crooks are greedy and tasteless. Film at eleven.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:08:58 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>BitterOldPunk</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#347772</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;What&apos;s so bad about this? If they make the money, they might as well enjoy it.&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, well... Assuming your not being sarcastic, a &lt;i&gt;quick read &lt;/i&gt;of the article reveals that these excesses are part of a greater situation, in which criminal charges are being levelled at the company. &lt;i&gt;Big &apos;uns&lt;/i&gt;, really: 

&quot;Mr. Kozlowski&apos;s bail is set at $100 million.
Mr. Swartz&apos;s bail is $50 million.&quot;

Etc &lt;small&gt;&lt;i&gt;(Enron)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/small&gt; etc &lt;small&gt;&lt;i&gt;(SEC)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/small&gt; etc</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:21:36 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: kittyb</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#347778</link>	
		<description>There&apos;s a picture of the $15,000 dog umbrella holder thing &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thestreet.com/_tsclsii/markets/marketfeatures/10042596.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, complete with clever caption.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:25:22 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kittyb</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: pardonyou?</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#347799</link>	
		<description>More on the umbrella stand &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB1032292279372822035,00.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

Also, a funny description of the $2.1 million Tyco-paid birthday party for the CEO&apos;s wife &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB1032221540245980755,00.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  The party included an ice sculpture of Michelangelo&apos;s David with &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;vodka pouring out of its penis&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;.  (I am &lt;b&gt;not &lt;/b&gt;making that up).</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:42:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Grod</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#347801</link>	
		<description>&lt;small&gt;Doh, next time I&apos;ll read the article.&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:47:19 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Grod</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: teenydreams</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#347802</link>	
		<description>Wow, thanks for the links on the umbrella holders. I thought the dogs had developed opposable thumbs and were carrying itty bitty umbrellas. &lt;i&gt;Then&lt;/i&gt; we&apos;d be in deep shit.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:47:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: witchstone</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#347809</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Regardless, I&apos;ve a hard time believing that executives would purchase items like these for themselves. I expect they were gifts for wives and &quot;escorts&quot; with poor taste.&lt;/i&gt;

So apparently executives (who must be all male, right?) can only have poor taste in women, not things?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:54:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kittyb</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#347810</link>	
		<description>I guess the doofy beagle-holding-a-hoop thing in my link isn&apos;t the &quot;one-of-a-kind, 1840s French antique stand, in the shape of a three-foot-high poodle&quot; described in pardonyou?&apos;s link. It would say &quot;Bienvenue&quot; and not &quot;Welcome&quot; in that case, right? And maybe it wouldn&apos;t look like it was made of molded resin.

I guess The Street shouldn&apos;t have been so quick to scan their Lillian Vernon catalogs.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:55:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jsonic</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#347813</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;a $17,100 traveling toilet box&lt;/i&gt;

Do you really think they spent that much on a toilet box (whatever that is)?  Or did they spend the money on something nefarious and just used the toilet box as a cover?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:58:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#347823</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;...vodka pouring out of its penis.&lt;/i&gt;

Wouldn&apos;t that go over big at a fraternity or sorority party? This gets better all the time: &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/aug1999/ash-a04_prn.shtml&quot;&gt;Michael Ashcroft&lt;/a&gt;, a Tyco board member, said he attended the&lt;/i&gt; (Statue of David Vodka-Penis) &lt;i&gt;party because he liked Mrs. Kozlowski.&lt;/i&gt;

Some of (Multi-millionaire tax exile and Conservative Party treasurer) Lord Ashcroft&apos;s better &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/535823.stm&quot;&gt;quotes&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;...those seeking to vilify me have found nothing to support their allegations that I am a drug-runner and a money launderer.&quot; 

&quot;The worst allegation that has been proven against me is that I set up an offshore centre in Belize that might... have been used for money laundering.&quot;

These folks all kinda hang out together, I guess...</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:14:29 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: matteo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#347867</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;What does a $1,650 notebook look like? &lt;/i&gt;

Like an iBook?

And, yes, executive compensation is bizarre, I&apos;m quoting myself here, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/19780&quot;&gt;I told you so&lt;/a&gt;...</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:15:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rtimmel</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#347913</link>	
		<description>Some captain of industry.  He could have bought it on &lt;a href=&quot;http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=2053924612&quot;&gt;ebay &lt;/a&gt;for some $20 odd bucks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:02:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: nofundy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#347914</link>	
		<description>What are you folks doing discussing these issues?  You are being sadly misinformed here. There&apos;s no such thing as a greedy CEO who would piss all over regular folks so he can live a lavish life at their expense! They&apos;re all hard working average Americans that deserve a great big tax break!  Don&apos;t you know you&apos;re supposed to be focusing on invading Iraq?  Geez, get with the (Karl Rove) program and go hug a Shrub!</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:02:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: XQUZYPHYR</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#347979</link>	
		<description>$17,000 toilet box.  What the hell did they do, wipe with twenties?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:03:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hilatron</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#348061</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://boxes.oneofakindantiques.com/2168_antique_mans_toilet_box_rosewood_and_sterling_5.htm&quot;&gt;Toilet box.&lt;/a&gt;  So I&apos;m guessing it&apos;s toilet as in &quot;I&apos;ll be down to limo in a jiff, darling, I just have to complete my toilette,&quot; like they did in Gothic romance novels.  Not that it&apos;s worth $17K or anything, just that it doesn&apos;t involve asses.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:22:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: stevefromsparks</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#348083</link>	
		<description>Long shot question, but isn&apos;t Dennis Kozlowski some how related to actress Linda Kozlowski?
I seem to recall learning of a few actors/actresses who have successful siblings. Julia Louis-Dreyfus has a brother who&apos;s a big shot in investment banking, for instance. There were a couple of others that I filed away and I thought one was related to Linda Kowzlowski, although I don&apos; t think he was with Tyco when the first couple of &quot;Crocodile Dundee&quot; movies came out.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:03:43 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: LeLiLo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#348216</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;What does a $1,650 notebook look like? 

$17,000 toilet box. What the hell did they do, wipe with twenties?&lt;/i&gt;

It&apos;s funny what we fixate on. When I first saw that report, all I wanted to know was &quot;How could a shower curtain cost $6,000?&quot; Couldn&apos;t track down any more information about it, though.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:21:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gsteff</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/20105/#348222</link>	
		<description>I have an uncle who lives down the road from the CEO (I think, one of the top 3-4) at Tyco in Rye, NY.  He loves to tell my family about how the exec and his wife are pushing for their daughter (name: Brittney) to become a world class ice skater.  They fly her by helicopter to her skating lessons in another state once a week.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:29:43 -0800</pubDate>
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