October 10, 2002
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Assailants of US marines hailed as "heroes" by many Kuwaitis Memory fails a bit but isn't this the country that some ten years ago we saved from an invading army of fellow Arabs?
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How do you go from feted to hated in ten years? these Kuwaitis must just be jealous of freedom loving people.
posted by niceness at 7:14 AM on October 10, 2002
posted by niceness at 7:14 AM on October 10, 2002
Another strike against Islam.
posted by ParisParamus at 7:18 AM on October 10, 2002
posted by ParisParamus at 7:18 AM on October 10, 2002
Another strike against Islam.
Or another strike against ParisParamus in my bozo filter. Postroad, why do you continually dig this poorly written crap up? A piss poor journalist describing "Scores" of people at a funeral now define the entire gestalt of the mid-east?
posted by machaus at 7:28 AM on October 10, 2002
Or another strike against ParisParamus in my bozo filter. Postroad, why do you continually dig this poorly written crap up? A piss poor journalist describing "Scores" of people at a funeral now define the entire gestalt of the mid-east?
posted by machaus at 7:28 AM on October 10, 2002
Yes, we saved their asses, now they are eternaly required to love us unconditionaly forever no matter what we do.
yup.
posted by delmoi at 7:32 AM on October 10, 2002
yup.
posted by delmoi at 7:32 AM on October 10, 2002
FPP by Postroad, backup by eas98 & another classic from Paris. Full House! [runs off to collect winnings].
I really don't see how 'scores' of funeral attendees suddenly become representative of the entire country. In fact the report states that the Kuwati authorities have condemed the terrorists.
Or has the world changed so much that every person in a country is responsible for the crimes of everyone else there? If so, then Postroad has a hell of a rap sheet to get going on...
posted by i_cola at 7:35 AM on October 10, 2002
I really don't see how 'scores' of funeral attendees suddenly become representative of the entire country. In fact the report states that the Kuwati authorities have condemed the terrorists.
Or has the world changed so much that every person in a country is responsible for the crimes of everyone else there? If so, then Postroad has a hell of a rap sheet to get going on...
posted by i_cola at 7:35 AM on October 10, 2002
Goddess help the Middle East if the world ever develops a practical alternative to fossil fuels. We'd probably be out of there in a heartbeat. I can picture a press conference with the US president saying something like "My comments will be brief. We're pulling out. From now on, you guys are on your own."
Hey, I can dream, can't I?
posted by ZenMasterThis at 7:37 AM on October 10, 2002
Hey, I can dream, can't I?
posted by ZenMasterThis at 7:37 AM on October 10, 2002
In my own defense: this was the lead comment today in what is perhaps the best regarded on-line site in the Arab world. Now, that being the case, why condemn me for what they are telling many thousands of their viewers?
posted by Postroad at 7:42 AM on October 10, 2002
posted by Postroad at 7:42 AM on October 10, 2002
If you want to be an empire, you've got to expect native unrest. If so, your best bet is to do what the British did in India---get a local tribe to do your dirty work and your local puppets to pay for it.
Or you could do the moral thing and work through international bodies in good faith.
It's your choice: honest republic or dirty empire.
posted by bonehead at 7:48 AM on October 10, 2002
Or you could do the moral thing and work through international bodies in good faith.
It's your choice: honest republic or dirty empire.
posted by bonehead at 7:48 AM on October 10, 2002
Well, the liberating US army did such a great job of bringing its country's core principles of democracy and liberty to Kuwait. Just keep repeating 'they... hate... our... freedoms', won't you?
posted by riviera at 7:49 AM on October 10, 2002
posted by riviera at 7:49 AM on October 10, 2002
from an American source--more reliable, right?
"Muslim fundamentalists are politically strong in Kuwait. They want Saddam removed from power, but many believe President Bush's real motives for waging war would be to revive the foundering U.S. economy and to weaken Arabs out of support for Israel.
Two years ago, Kuwaiti authorities arrested three Kuwaitis they said plotted attacks on Camp Doha, an army base used by U.S. forces in Kuwait, and on the homes and cars of Western military personnel.
Scores of Kuwaitis have fought alongside Muslims in Afghanistan, Chechnya and Bosnia, but they have not attacked Americans in Kuwait - even at the height of the U.S. war that toppled Afghanistan's Taliban regime. The Taliban harbored Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida organization, which is blamed for last year's Sept. 11 attacks in the United States"
and from a New Hampsire paper, a denial that fundies are all bad:
"However, an Islamic fundamentalist leader, Abdul-Razzak al-Shayeji, said authorities should deal with the shooting as an isolated incident and not hold all Islamist movements responsible for it.
“There are few jihad fighters (holy warriors) in Kuwait. The Islamic movement here is moderate,” he said....."
"...
posted by Postroad at 7:56 AM on October 10, 2002
"Muslim fundamentalists are politically strong in Kuwait. They want Saddam removed from power, but many believe President Bush's real motives for waging war would be to revive the foundering U.S. economy and to weaken Arabs out of support for Israel.
Two years ago, Kuwaiti authorities arrested three Kuwaitis they said plotted attacks on Camp Doha, an army base used by U.S. forces in Kuwait, and on the homes and cars of Western military personnel.
Scores of Kuwaitis have fought alongside Muslims in Afghanistan, Chechnya and Bosnia, but they have not attacked Americans in Kuwait - even at the height of the U.S. war that toppled Afghanistan's Taliban regime. The Taliban harbored Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida organization, which is blamed for last year's Sept. 11 attacks in the United States"
and from a New Hampsire paper, a denial that fundies are all bad:
"However, an Islamic fundamentalist leader, Abdul-Razzak al-Shayeji, said authorities should deal with the shooting as an isolated incident and not hold all Islamist movements responsible for it.
“There are few jihad fighters (holy warriors) in Kuwait. The Islamic movement here is moderate,” he said....."
"...
posted by Postroad at 7:56 AM on October 10, 2002
So a few terrorists speak for all the Kuwaiti people?
"Well, the liberating US army did such a great job of bringing its country's core principles of democracy and liberty to Kuwait."
"In 1986, King Fahd dropped the title of 'king' in favor of a new title "the guardian of holy shrines"...only Kuwait has succeeded in giving its government a broader base by creating a parliamentary system, which - suprisingly-seems to have won a measure of credibility among the people. The dissolution of the parliament in the spring of 1986, however, underlined the fragility of the Kuwaiti experience."
starting in 1982, a series of 'Tests' against Kuwaiti resolve began, attacks on cinemas, girls schools, restaurant, and libraries. women were stabbed for wearing 'un-Islamic' clothing. The Kuwaitis adopted a 'softer 'stance towards fundamentalists. The fundamentalists, in turn, increased the pressure.
-Amir Taheri, from Holy Terror
It seems to me Kuwait has tried to be moderate but has been thwarted time and time again. wether it was Irans troops 15 miles from It's boarder in 86' or saaddams occupation in the early 90's.
These terorist-fundementalists, what-ever the term of the decade is, want nothing but world-wide Islamic domination. they will attack there own people to gain victory. They disgrace Islam (I for one, have studied to many examples of how Arabic peoples have fought these fundamentalists) These terrorists want The rest of the world to fear them and appease them. History has shown that they take advantage of appeasement, in either turning up the attacks or withdrawing to fight another day. They want nothing but submission or destruction of anything that does not adhere to their twisted principles.
posted by clavdivs at 8:23 AM on October 10, 2002
"Well, the liberating US army did such a great job of bringing its country's core principles of democracy and liberty to Kuwait."
"In 1986, King Fahd dropped the title of 'king' in favor of a new title "the guardian of holy shrines"...only Kuwait has succeeded in giving its government a broader base by creating a parliamentary system, which - suprisingly-seems to have won a measure of credibility among the people. The dissolution of the parliament in the spring of 1986, however, underlined the fragility of the Kuwaiti experience."
starting in 1982, a series of 'Tests' against Kuwaiti resolve began, attacks on cinemas, girls schools, restaurant, and libraries. women were stabbed for wearing 'un-Islamic' clothing. The Kuwaitis adopted a 'softer 'stance towards fundamentalists. The fundamentalists, in turn, increased the pressure.
-Amir Taheri, from Holy Terror
It seems to me Kuwait has tried to be moderate but has been thwarted time and time again. wether it was Irans troops 15 miles from It's boarder in 86' or saaddams occupation in the early 90's.
These terorist-fundementalists, what-ever the term of the decade is, want nothing but world-wide Islamic domination. they will attack there own people to gain victory. They disgrace Islam (I for one, have studied to many examples of how Arabic peoples have fought these fundamentalists) These terrorists want The rest of the world to fear them and appease them. History has shown that they take advantage of appeasement, in either turning up the attacks or withdrawing to fight another day. They want nothing but submission or destruction of anything that does not adhere to their twisted principles.
posted by clavdivs at 8:23 AM on October 10, 2002
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posted by eas98 at 7:08 AM on October 10, 2002