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Post number 20798

Hall — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:01:16 -0800

Microsoft counters Mac's 'Switch' campaign using the testimony of an unnamed 'freelance writer' who seems to be all sorts of things, including a stock photography model.

By: PinkStainlessTail

PinkStainlessTail — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:05:25 -0800

Oh wow. it's the corporate endorsement equivalent of pretending you know the people whose pictures came with your wallet. It's sad, in a deceptive and dishonest way. (How'd you find this, anyhow?)

By: Steve_at_Linnwood

Steve_at_Linnwood — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:05:57 -0800

Muaahahhahaha! Yes, it's true. I like the Microsoft® Windows® XP operating system enough to change my whole computing "Yes, it's true."??? So even MS admits it is shocking that any Mac user would switch to WindowsXP

By: malphigian

malphigian — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:08:36 -0800

Its not really a switch campaign counter so much as a half-assed intro to some information about how to move your mac files onto a PC. It does happen, btw, I know a graphic designer who made the MacOS to XP switch a year ago and couldn't be happier. Of course, I'm sure their are just as many who tried and hated it, same as the switch in the other direction.

By: Hall

Hall — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:10:11 -0800

(How'd you find this, anyhow?) A thorough reading of Slashdot.

By: grimley

grimley — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:11:28 -0800

"Toolbars and menus customize themselves to the way I work." Is that what the little (poorly) animated paperclip does? Oh, my.

By: ParisParamus

ParisParamus — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:13:19 -0800

That's very funny. But how did Microsoft manage to get the model to pose in the exact same clothing, in the exact same scene, but face the other way? Very clever.

By: zekinskia

zekinskia — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:13:48 -0800

H. A. H. MS tries to fake grassroots advertising and gets busted. Hilarious. I hope Gettyimages got a good cut of the Mega-Corporate-Whore Pie.

By: baltimore

baltimore — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:14:34 -0800

Hah! I love seeing tone-deaf corporations caught up in their own cleverness. That it's Microsoft only makes this better!.. What would Ellen think?

By: five fresh fish

five fresh fish — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:19:23 -0800

Gettyimages is owned by Billy. Damn sure they got a good cut.

By: strong_opinions

strong_opinions — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:22:32 -0800

Hmmm...in a sidenote, doesn't Mr. Gates also own Corbis, which is Getty's main competition?

By: grimley

grimley — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:26:35 -0800

Gates only owns Corbis. Which I'm sure has a great portrait entitled "Woman Holding Coffee Cup." Mark Getty - of Getty Oil, owns Getty images.

By: ParisParamus

ParisParamus — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:32:34 -0800

How long was this image up before this was revealed? Amazing stupidity at work.

By: five fresh fish

five fresh fish — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:34:28 -0800

Colour me enlightened. I thought Bill had pretty much purchased all the big image collections.

By: oissubke

oissubke — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:40:13 -0800

What would Ellen think? Those beep Microsoft beepers have no beeping business sense. If they can't beeping think different, they might as well go and beep themselves.

By: matteo

matteo — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:40:40 -0800

I thought Bill had pretty much purchased all the big image collections. He did. You know, I shot this cute pic of my parents' cat, and a couple hours later I got this weird e-mail from MS, offering me a few bucks (and a new Outlook security patch ) in exchange for the photo

By: Espoo2

Espoo2 — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:41:23 -0800

I switched. Couldn't be happier. After college professors and peers pounded it into my head for years that graphic designers MUST use Macs to be legit , I came to my senses.... (This after a very stable and fast pc was built for music studio use). Wow! No more 10 minute startups! No more crashing in the middle of a 4- hour Aftereffects render at 3am! Yeah, dull ads, a weak counter, but still.... Those Mac ads make me sick.

By: mathowie

mathowie — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:41:46 -0800

Weird, the getty site is totally screwed up in mozilla. If they were trying to do a switch campaign, this is how Microsoft would do it, hire a PR firm to comb through stock art and craft "testimonials" to support their products. Remember when they did the letter-writing campaign to garner support in newspapers via fake letters?

By: me3dia

me3dia — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:43:54 -0800

I thought Bill had pretty much purchased all the big image collections. Well, Bill bought half of them. Getty bought the others.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:58:05 -0800

That's really, really funny.

By: UnReality

UnReality — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:58:43 -0800

Does this mean we now have to scour Getty's website for Corbis stock photographs?

By: einarorn

einarorn — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:06:51 -0800

The Microsoft link doesn't seem to work anymore. Coincidence?

By: fvw

fvw — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:08:50 -0800

The microsoft page is gone.. If only their bugfixes were that quick :-P

By: soyjoy

soyjoy — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:08:55 -0800

I switched. I used to have a strong allegiance to Corbis. But then someone said, "How 'bout Getty?" and that was that.

By: Danelope

Danelope — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:10:50 -0800

Page seems to have been deleted now, though this search still turns it up as the #6 result. No google or archive.org caches, sadly.

By: loopy

loopy — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:22:15 -0800

google cache Girl Scout's honor??? heh.

By: hulette

hulette — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:24:44 -0800

ack. does anyone have a cached copy? I didn't get to see it.

By: hulette

hulette — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:27:26 -0800

of course, I did not see the above post before I added mine.

By: holycola

holycola — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:47:40 -0800

I'm not sure which gets my ire more, the flying chick set to dance music in the Windows XP ads, or the syrupy found-jesus monologues set to folksy banjo plucking in the Mac Switch ads. Both make me look at the cat and shake my head.

By: holloway

holloway — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 14:49:56 -0800

> Remember when they did the letter-writing campaign to > garner support in newspapers via fake letters? Ah yes, "In this case, a great deal of effort was expended to make the letters look real and individual, so the intent to deceive is obvious. Each was on "personalized" stationary and used different type faces, but some included mistakes (coming from dead people and towns that didn't exist) and a number of them included identical sentences. They were, in fact, composed by a Microsoft lobbying front, Americans for Technology Leadership"

By: Phatty Lumpkin

Phatty Lumpkin — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:34:19 -0800

Am I the only one who thinks her head looks pasted onto her neck?

By: ph00dz

ph00dz — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:34:59 -0800

hehe... the funny thing is, I switched from the Mac to windows XP and I couldn't be happier. Microsoft... call me! I could be your Ellen Fiess! "Now I can get lotz of warez... d00dz!"

By: Salmonberry

Salmonberry — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:47:21 -0800

Too funny. This is a great example of when *not* to use royalty-free images. How did anyone make the connection with the getty image?

By: Mo Nickels

Mo Nickels — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:48:48 -0800

The switch concept is interesting: Not a single one of my Mac clients ever considers switching to Windows, but my Windows clients talk about switching to Mac constantly. I usually persuade them to wait until their current Wintel hardware is end-of-life to maxmize their capital investment, but it's always amazing how many are willing to just dump thousands of dollars in Windows-only hardware and software and buy Macs. A friend of mine who does freelance Macintosh consulting is thinking about specializing in Windows to Mac OS X migrations—there's a lot of call for it. He will make a killing.

By: namespan

namespan — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:52:15 -0800

Too funny. This is a great example of when *not* to use royalty-free images. How did anyone make the connection with the getty image? Not really hard, I'd imagine, if you start from the assertion that Microsoft's grassroots support is not particularly strong. And as other posters have pointed out, Microsoft has been known to fake, well, just about everything from court testimony to grassroots support. So you start with a theory, and you search the stock photo collections you know.... and lo, it turns out to be right.

By: kokogiak

kokogiak — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:15:01 -0800

News.com seems to think the ad was pulled down in response to their own query, that Microsoft "regrets" the ad, and that the ad was written by a paid freelancer: ( story here )

By: matteo

matteo — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:31:48 -0800

The Microsoft link doesn't seem to work anymore. Coincidence? No, of course not. Bill G. is obviously on MeFi Is He a member of the Cabal? What's His user number? Does he Zippity Bop as well?

By: mr_crash_davis

mr_crash_davis — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:37:52 -0800

Bwahahaha!

By: quonsar

quonsar — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:44:57 -0800

Am I the only one who thinks her head looks pasted onto her neck? that's not a bug, it's a pheature, phatty!

By: chipr

chipr — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 18:06:00 -0800

So, I was doing a paper on the Mac ... And it was like ... beep ... beep ... beepbeepbeep ...

By: delmoi

delmoi — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 18:17:49 -0800

soyjoy: LOL Seriously though, mac ads attacking PCs for crashing is just rediculous. Up untill OSX Mac OS was actualy less stable then win2k. Nowadays, either with OSX or 2k/XP crashing should be a non-issue unless you have faulty hardware. those switch ads annoy me, because they are doing nothing more then foisting one 'real' person's misconceptions on the rest of us. wonderful.

By: adrober

adrober — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:03:32 -0800

(a little---well, not that little---parody I wrote of Apple's campaign, if you'll indulge me) Dear Apple-- My name was Chris Matthews and I was the manager of the Wendy's at the corner of Jimmy Carter Blvd. and Rockbridge Rd. in Norcross, GA. I say "was" instead of "is" because all of that's changed now. But I'm getting ahead of myself. Back in the days of "was," my life was pretty empty. I lived with a one-legged homosexual Native American named Chief Gronklieff. He was always quiet and often cooked smelly meats on our gas stove. I kept to myself, mostly. I would strum a few chords on my old somewhat broken guitar or I'd sing the ballads of my favorite singer: Judy Collins. It was a lonely existence. Back in those days I didn't even own a computer. I used a Speak-N-Spell for all my word processing needs. This was difficult because (a) it didn't have a printer and (b) it would aggravate Chief Gronklieff. I have a fear of conflict, so more often than not I would word process by hand. My transition from "was" to "is" began the day my sister attempted suicide and left for me, in a box labeled "for Chris," her 1988 Apple IIgs. As you can well imagine, my emotions were extremely conflicted: severe gladness for finally getting my own computer and profound disappointment at getting one so dated. However, you should never look a gifthorse in the mouth. I went to the hospital and thanked my (semi-unconscious) sister for the gift and then returned home to get started. My first order of business: to download lots of porn. Imagine my shock when I realized that the 1988 Apple IIgs was not equppied for the internet! I practically wanted to go back to the hospital to finish what my sister started! But I swallowed that anger and turned the computer on. I waited patiently for the system to load and I watched, transfixed, the hourglass at the center of the screen. Eventually "patiently" and "transfixed" became "desperate" and "violent." At the peak of my frustration, I kicked the screen in. But here's where our story reaches its happy conclusion. The Chief, who, when not cooking, often sits and smokes a pipe, came over to my then quivering body and began massaging my shoulders. "Shush," he said softly. I felt a strange chill down my spine. Well, suffice it to say, the Chief and I are no longer "roommates" but "domestic partners." He's dubbed me "Buffalo Penis" and I've taken that for my legal name. I quit my job at Wendy's and I now perform my Judy Collins songs for audiences at the Chinese War Veteran Nursing Home. When I read about people making the "switch" to Apple, I had no idea how much would change! But I can honestly say you've helped me find true happiness. God bless you and your company. Sincerely, Buffalo Penis

By: ParisParamus

ParisParamus — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:08:15 -0800

On a more serious note, doesn't the piece Crash_Davis post contain still more lies? I'm confused. I though the picture was of some generic (if somewhat striking) woman.

By: Llama-Lime

Llama-Lime — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:08:24 -0800

From crash davis' link: An employee at a public relations company hired by Microsoft, Valerie G. Mallinson of Shoreline, Wash., later acknowledged she was Microsoft's mysterious convert Umm, just how stupid do they think we are? I always thought that MS had very little respect for their customers, but I didn't know that they thought their (potential) customers were total imbeciles.

By: ParisParamus

ParisParamus — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:17:27 -0800

Yeah, that looks like a PR babe; so this is a PR babe who posed for a picture that was bought by Getty? That's the part I don't get. Or maybe I should go to sleep.

By: mr_crash_davis

mr_crash_davis — Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:58:14 -0800

That's an awesome story, adro...uh...Buffalo Penis. You'll forgive me if I don't ask about your new Ikea lodge furnishings.

By: salmacis

salmacis — Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:51:11 -0800

From the ad: Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 does more for me than Netscape Navigator ever did, and I am a surfing addict. Searches are faster; the History feature makes it easier to find that site from last week; and I can name and organize my Favorites any way I want. Er..isn't this just blatent misrepresentation? Searches are the same speed whatever your OS or browser, and the implication is that Navigator doesn't have a History or customizable Favourites. Microsoft gets caught with it's pants down again. Oops. I swear, half the reason I run Linux is that I hate the company more than their blasted software.

By: sycophant

sycophant — Tue, 15 Oct 2002 05:05:49 -0800

The stock image thing it pretty standard. I know when I was doing advertising design we used to use stock photos of people quite often (that's what they exist for). Have a browse through any old magazine, see a pretty face associated with an ad, or a quote in an ad? Good chance that pretty face is stock. Hell, the same face is probably selling vaccum cleaners on the other side of the world.

By: soyjoy

soyjoy — Tue, 15 Oct 2002 07:57:53 -0800

sycophant - I think the point is that usually stock images represent generic people, whereas the whole point of this campaign is that it was supposed to be a real, honest-to-god, not on Microsoft's payroll individual.

By: holloway

holloway — Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:40:30 -0800

Er..isn't this just blatent misrepresentation? Searches are the same speed whatever your OS or browser,

Perceived browser rendering speed, interface speed, of the webpage. It's a matter of opinion.

and the implication is that Navigator doesn't have a History or customizable Favourites.

They just say it's easier. Matter of opinion.

By: ~rschram

~rschram — Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:19:20 -0800

The clues are in the Word doc, which is still available at microsoft.com. Check the document author (File > Properties). (Wired)

By: holloway

holloway — Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:19:58 -0800

Another one yanked (screenshot)