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Post number 20873

nyxxxx — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:21:54 -0800

An example of innovative web design This was a site made for last tuesday's Buffy episode. I thought it was a really good example of what could be done with design...and there's not even any flash. Just the poems and pictures of a fictional girl who knows she's about to die.

By: milov

milov — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:53:41 -0800

Cassie... sounds like Kaycee.

By: quonsar

quonsar — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:58:48 -0800

JAGCS. just another geocities chick site how do we know this chick is fictional?

By: Dark Messiah

Dark Messiah — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:59:39 -0800

Because no one on GeoCities could do something that nice? ;)

By: dirtylittlemonkey

dirtylittlemonkey — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:00:35 -0800

Except for Cassie having a professional production company behind her and Kaycee being made by high school girls. Fictional because I saw her on Buffy the Vampire Slayer Tuesday night.

By: laz-e-boy

laz-e-boy — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:00:47 -0800

What was the context of the site in the episode? Did they give out the address on the air? Being a Geocities site, wasn't this site overwhelmed at the time?

By: insomnyuk

insomnyuk — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:02:02 -0800

and there's not even any flash That's the best part. Damn, I feel old. Codger voice: "I remember when HTML was all we had, dadgummit, and we LIKED IT. Now y'all have these newfangled javerscripts and virt'all machines and flashy whatnots." Yeah.

By: milov

milov — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:05:29 -0800

What was the context of the site in the episode? Did they give out the address on the air? No url was shown, but they 'Googled' her name, believe it or not. Possibly the first mention of Google in a fictional television series?

By: monkeyJuice

monkeyJuice — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:07:00 -0800

[ this is bad ]

By: trioperative

trioperative — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:10:05 -0800

overflows on 800x600. the paintings page is kind of neat, but I wouldn't really call this site all that innovative, personally.

By: whatnot

whatnot — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:18:22 -0800

breaks in IE5 for the Mac.

By: Modem Ovary

Modem Ovary — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:21:34 -0800

The paintings look strikingly like those of some of the women in my art therapy class when I was in an eating disorders clinic.

By: dnash

dnash — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:35:55 -0800

Falls apart completely in my Netscape 6.2.

By: uftheory

uftheory — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:42:36 -0800

Isn't this retro, and not innovative?

By: zanpo

zanpo — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:46:09 -0800

Doesn't everything break on IE5 for the Mac? I mean, it's not like Microsoft had any Macs to actually test the software on...

By: Dok Millennium

Dok Millennium — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:52:12 -0800

I'd say it's good design because it really seems to flow from the heart of a gloomy teenage girl. Not particularly innovative (though I like the scrolling poem) so much as... evocative. And that's a Good Thing (tm).

By: chill

chill — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:56:50 -0800

The girl in the photo reminds me of the girl on the Blue Jam CD.

By: Blubble

Blubble — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:04:29 -0800

Sorry to be critical, but this is not very good. In fact, it is quite bad.

By: putzface_dickman

putzface_dickman — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:04:34 -0800

chill, please warn others when you post something that graphic and disturbing. Her teeth give me the wiggins. That girl needs more crank.

By: o2b

o2b — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:05:48 -0800

As for the geocities issue, i don't think it's your standard issue site. There aren't any ads, onsite or popup.

By: RJ Reynolds

RJ Reynolds — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:09:10 -0800

Doesn't everything break on IE5 for the Mac? Actually, IE 5 and 5.2 are very forgiving browsers for bad code. Most of the time I have to do my bug-testing on windows machines, cuz IE lets you slide. If what seems to be this hideous site was, like, you know, not in tables, it'd be fine.

By: chill

chill — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:17:09 -0800

As for the geocities issue, i don't think it's your standard issue site. There aren't any ads, onsite or popup. Agreed, the URL isn't your usual geocities weirdy URL which probably means that it points to some dedicicated server or something.

By: Dark Messiah

Dark Messiah — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:19:14 -0800

Possibly the first mention of Google in a fictional television series? Yeah the TV show isn't real!? My god, I've been living a lie!

By: bradlands

bradlands — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:24:29 -0800

Possibly the first mention of Google in a fictional television series? I don't know if it's the first mention, but Google was name-checked on The West Wing in an episode last season in the episode "Stirred". The deputy chief of staff tells his assistant, who is trying to get some sort of presidential proclamation honoring her former high school English teacher, to do some research to vet the woman. He mentions a Google search as a place to start.

By: bonaldi

bonaldi — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:27:13 -0800

Umm ... it's rubbish, isn't it? Good design is about selling your wares to the viewer in the most attractive format possible. And this doesn't sell anything to me, it just makes me hit "back" as hastily as possible. There's no way I'm waiting for that tiny wee window of text to scroll past for hours. So it's not good design, and, like Dok Millennium mentioned, it's not particularly innovative either, although it does pretty accurately capture the rubbishness of a suicidal teen's output.

By: i_cola

i_cola — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:27:38 -0800

pah! BuffyFilter...

By: chill

chill — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:29:20 -0800

Possibly the first mention of Google in a fictional television series? Not a TV series I know, but I seem to recall it being mentioned in an Aint It Cool review of the US remake of Ring that it is nice to see people in the film use google to search for things on the internet, rather than some fictional computer system that renders the whole search process in 3D. ainitcool's search is buggered at the moment so I can't find it, sorry

By: goneill

goneill — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:39:41 -0800

I think we might be missing the point here. A TV show made a website, that the referenced in the show, for a fictional character and pretended (?) to host it on geocities, kind of like a depressed high school girl would? I think it's cool. I saw the show, but didn't think that the website would actually exist. I could be biased as I am a registered manic academic buffy fanatic

By: goneill

goneill — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:40:47 -0800

'that they referenced in the show'

By: chandy72

chandy72 — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:47:52 -0800

so is it more or less effective than SuperGreg as complementary web marketing (also geocities, also sans popups or popunders)? Or is it not web marketing at all and just some hastily organized "breaking the fourth wall" shenanigans? Granted, I'm not a regular Buffy watcher, but the site seems a little too self-consciously "un-thought-out".

By: PinkStainlessTail

PinkStainlessTail — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:57:08 -0800

In the same vein, Ayleeorgnet.com is the website of a fictional company from a Sluggy Freelance storyline.

By: bitdamaged

bitdamaged — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:57:57 -0800

goneil check out the new show "push nevada" the whole thing has a strong web component. I didn't really get into the show but I saw an URL in the opening so I went to it and just started following links, there's a ton of little sites set up for that show. This is actually becoming really common. Crap I can't remember but I think it was the movie AI had an AOL bot and a bunch of fictional sites built around getting people interested.

By: me3dia

me3dia — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:04:03 -0800

I'm kinda with goneill here. It's nice that something in a TV show really exists for once, even if it's fabricated. If nothing else, it's sort of like the movie making paraphernalia that fans gobble up -- "real movie lightsaber!" or "tricorder used by Kirk in Star Trek ep.21" anyone? -- only it's on the Web for everyone to check out. It doesn't really seem like it was meant to be a marketing piece or a mass-consumption thing, just some bit used on the show that they haven't taken down. It's not like there's a link to the Buffy site or any advertising on the thing -- it's just a prop.

By: bonehead

bonehead — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:05:56 -0800

Random Verbiage: Googling for "Cassie Newton", as Willow does in the episode, does not turn up the page. http://www.geocities.com/newcassie/ is not the same website seen on the show; that one was animated. It's fairly thin. Most TAWS are fairly verbose. Also, speeling is too gud, u knw? My point? None, but it's a darn cool feelie.

By: bonehead

bonehead — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:07:02 -0800

Addendum: the site looks fine in Mozilla 1.1

By: dytiq

dytiq — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:08:36 -0800

Good design is about selling your wares to the viewer in the most attractive format possible. hmm is all good design really about selling? i've been generally turned off by the attitude of the movement against so-called mystery meat navigation for sites that are less about "selling" and more about exploring. (sure, i think you have to evaluate your site's purpose to decide how the design should be done, but i think the attitude we're seeing is sucking the life out of design.) on the other hand, maybe it's all been said and done in the realm of exploring web possibilities. think so?

By: danhon

danhon — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:21:54 -0800

This is actually becoming really common. Crap I can't remember but I think it was the movie AI had an AOL bot and a bunch of fictional sites built around getting people interested. The AI promotion was more than that: check out cloudmakers.org for an archive of the campaign - only it wasn't really a campaign. It was a game. And that's what we loved about it :)

By: barbelith

barbelith — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:22:52 -0800

It's a shame that we have to always rate personal and creative sites on the same scales that we have to estimate practically useful sites and e-commerce ventures. But then this is neither a personal site NOR an e-commerce site - it's a nice piece of easter-egg content for a TV series that a lot of people enjoy which emulates the angsty poetry writing of a precognitive depressive teenage girl. It's a bit PR, it's a bit advertising, it's a bit of a fun extra, and I thoroughly approve. But of course I wouldn't change my site to look like it...

By: prolific

prolific — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:37:48 -0800

The URL of the site wasn't mentioned in the episode, but shortly before it was aired three of BtVS's writers (Rebecca Rand Kirshner who wrote the epi, Jane Espenson and Drew Goddard) posted to the Bronzebeta and mentioned it to the regulars on the board. BtVS writers often post to that board, rather than UPN's "official" one which was removed in the site's recent redesign. Cassie's pages as shown in the episode looked the same as the one at Geocities, but had more animations.

By: putzface_dickman

putzface_dickman — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:38:04 -0800

The Whois Record is interesting. Domain Name.......... cassienewton.com Creation Date........ 2002-09-14 Registration Date.... 2002-09-14 Expiry Date.......... 2003-09-14 Organisation Name.... Cassie Newton Organisation Address. 13 Shadow Lane Organisation Address. Organisation Address. Sunnydale Organisation Address. 94086 Organisation Address. CA Organisation Address. UNITED STATES

By: Plunge

Plunge — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:39:13 -0800

I could be biased as I am a registered manic academic buffy fanatic Oh geez, I aced the test there myself. How embarrassing.

By: putzface_dickman

putzface_dickman — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:40:06 -0800

And Admin Name........... Cassie Newton Admin Address........ 13 Shadow Lane Admin Address........ Admin Address........ Sunnydale Admin Address........ 94086 Admin Address........ CA Admin Address........ UNITED STATES Admin Email.......... newcassie@yahoo.com Admin Phone.......... 666-442-8363

By: prolific

prolific — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:41:42 -0800

... forgot to say: An example of "innovative web design" it definitely is not.

By: bedhead

bedhead — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:11:24 -0800

A website created for a TV character has been done before.. in season 2 of Will & Grace. One of the main characters (Jack) sprinkled in little endorsements for his site 'justjack.com' throughout at least one episode. The URL now leads to the show's official site, but there are still mentions, transcripts, and an archived version available.

By: mikhail

mikhail — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:26:23 -0800

An example of innovative web design I disagree. Strongly. This was a site made for last tuesday's Buffy episode. Which only makes it a vaguely interesting tie of one medium to another. I thought it was a really good example of what could be done with design Again, I most earnestly disagree. ...and there's not even any flash. ... Just the poems and pictures of a fictional girl who knows she's about to die. Maybe I missed it, but where on the site does it allude to her dying?

By: popvulture

popvulture — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:28:43 -0800

Actually, this kind of thing was done before "Buffy" and "Will and Grace"" Way back in the spring of 1999 on "Felicity" graphic-design boy Noel Crane had www.noelcrane.com , as his personal home page, which was mentioned on the show (as well as his love for his iMac). Around the same time, the WB was creating pretty innovative virtual PC desktops (complete with personal email and files) for the "Dawson's Creek" characters at www.dawsonsdesktop.com. (It looks like they've finally stopped updating the Desktop's now..) It looks like I've officially outed myself as a teen show addict... But damn, those shows have been innovative at including web/computer tie-ins.

By: popvulture

popvulture — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:33:32 -0800

Correction: noelcrane.com was launched in November 1998. E! ran a somewhat interesting article about it.

Asked about the site, series creator J.J. Abrams makes it clear that as far as he is concerned, the site is entirely the work of Noel. Abrams was, however, able to offer some insight about why a fictional character might step out on his own. "When I would play video games, I was always intrigued by the areas of the chart you couldn't go," Abrams said. "Like if it was a driving game, I wish you could drive off the track and drive though that city in the distance...This kind of felt like an amazing opportunity for Noel to go off the linear path, and to allow people on their own time in their own way to interact with him."

By: girlhacker

girlhacker — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:35:23 -0800

Organisation Address. Sunnydale Organisation Address. 94086 Organisation Address. CA Ack...that's the actual zip code for Sunnyvale, CA. Now I have even less reason for disclaiming that Buffy supposedly lives in my city! There is no Shadow Lane here though (according to Yahoo Maps).

By: bradlands

bradlands — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:51:53 -0800

Don't let's forget the seminal web guide to what badgers eat, whatbadgerseat.com. [from The Simpsons] On Showtime's Queer as Folk, the website cumquik.com was mentioned in a throwaway line in one episode. The producers apparently decided to have a little fun with it. In a continuing storyline on the same show, one of the characters runs a porn website called jerkatwork.net. Both sites now redirect to the Showtime site, with a little wink to the audience before they do. All of the above are safe for work, especially if you work with badgers.

By: jkaczor

jkaczor — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:57:39 -0800

Hmmm, let's not forget about "movie poop shoot dot com", eh?

By: jkaczor

jkaczor — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:59:30 -0800

Hmmm, my wife and I always wondered if jerkatwork.net was real... Maybe they wink and re-direct for you, but not for us outside to the ole US of A... (How a company cannot understand the internet is a global medium is beyond me....)

By: jaded

jaded — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:28:43 -0800

I'm sorry but the site is just awful. In mozilla 1.1b it looks like complete ass. In IE6 it looks mostly like ass. I'm not against mystery meat navigation. I am against mystery meat that tastes rotten.

By: patricking

patricking — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:33:16 -0800

i would consider this more of a movie prop than an actual website. it was supposedly built by a fifteen-year-old-girl, so it's not supposed to be innovative, nor is the content supposed to be groundbreaking. interestingly though, the site was viewed on IE5/Mac OSX on the show. probably worked when run locally, then just got plopped online after filming. from what i understand, the real site may have been a bit of an afterthought. this was posted to whedonesque before the episode ran, and had been plugged by the show's writers on some buffy posting board.

By: moss

moss — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:38:52 -0800

To me, it looks like what it is: an utterly flawless parody of a geocities site by some teenage girl who's obsessed with death. The design isn't innovative, or even good, really, but it is strangely perfect.

By: briank

briank — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:14:15 -0800

Makes me wonder if eventually the networks will make producers use some generic but non-existant TLD if they want to mention a website, the same way everyone on TV has 555-XXXX as their phone number.

By: holloway

holloway — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:19:53 -0800

About as innovative as this.

By: bradlands

bradlands — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:35:57 -0800

Two other URLs mentioned on The West Wing -- lemonlyman.com (fans supposedly obsessed with DCOS Josh Lyman) and capitolscoop.com (the website where Donnatella Moss was offered a job) -- don't resolve to actual websites, although the domain names are owned by Warner Bros. A shame, really. ~~I sure would have loved~~ I'm sure some WW fan would have loved to snag lemonlyman.com after it was mentioned in the storyline for a real Bradley Whitford fan site.

By: Dreama

Dreama — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:16:22 -0800

Fans of Homicide: Life On The Streets probably recall that Det. Tim Bayliss had a website at inplainsite.com in which he discussed "Buddhist Perspectives on Bisexuality." The site ended up being central to a plotline in the last season when a murderer hacked the site to broadcast a live video of him killing a young woman. The site actually existed up until earlier this year, though it was only a splash page with links to NBC's official H:LOTS pages down below the fold. It's now gone entirely, I'm surprised that no one has snatched up the domain to put up a H:LOTS/Bayliss fansite.

By: ifenn

ifenn — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:04:54 -0800

Definitely not innovative.

By: the aloha

the aloha — Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:10:40 -0800

i sure hope the original post was hyperbole.

By: ZachsMind

ZachsMind — Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:51:32 -0800

My my, are we jaded or what? I appreciated it. True fans of the show will appreciate it, even if it's not "innovative" by the uncomfortably high standards of the MeFi community. No the site's not innovative in any flashy way. No, the content is not particularly out there or creative or groundbreaking. Have any of you guys complaining about the alleged meekness of cassienewton.com ever ordered a MetaFilter T-shirt or mug from Cafe Express or whatever Matt used? I got my mug right in front of me, with some hot chocolate in it. Is it an innovative or groundbreaking coffee mug? No. Did I get this for free from Matt? No. It's just a nice thing to have. No big whup. It makes me happy. God knows why. Someone who's not a fan of MeFi couldn't understand it and it'd be impossible for me to explain it to them. I like MeFi. I like mugs. So I like the MeFi mug. *shrug* It's just a little something extra Matt cooked up once for his community. I hear no one bitching about the quality or the fact it doesn't walk off your desk and go get your coffee for you. It's just a nice little trinket. This cassie website thingy's the same kinda thing. A nice little plus. I guess this Cassie website is one of those things that only a fan of the series in general, or of that particular episode's feature character, could truly appreciate. It's innovative in a subtle, yet significant way. It's touching without being over the top. It's like the people behind the show offering to fans of the show a little something extra. They ran the first and down, made their ten yards and went, "Hey, let's take another stride or two just for fun." As a fan of Buffy, I appreciated the character of Cassie, where she was coming from, and what the writers were trying to say with her presence in last week's episode. It's a nice, warm, feel-goody thing that on top of the episode itself, the producers of the series would think to put a little Cassie site up on the 'Net. It's kinda like them saying, "thanks for tuning in. Here's a present for ya." It's nice when entertainers do that little something extra for their audience. It's not innovative, but it is good policy. And I for one appreciated it.