October 22, 2002
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Remember the conflict on Salt Lake City's Main Street Plaza? Mayor Rocky Anderson has decided not to relinquish the easement. Many Utah citizens are upset at his vacillation, while many are upset at the original deal altogether.
Some are quickly taking advantage of it.
The non-Mormon newspaper is being called "anti-Mormon", the ramifications are in question, and the LDS Church is appealing.
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Yes, I remember the previous thread on this subject, and comments don't seem to have been closed, so I wonder why this couldn't have been added there?
geekhorde: Look down -- I think you're pissing on your shoes.
posted by languagehat at 1:10 PM on October 22, 2002
geekhorde: Look down -- I think you're pissing on your shoes.
posted by languagehat at 1:10 PM on October 22, 2002
"Relinquish the easement" sounds like "landing the Johnson account" or "pulling the goalie". Just had to point that out.
posted by websavvy at 1:12 PM on October 22, 2002
posted by websavvy at 1:12 PM on October 22, 2002
Just blog it. By the way, your numerous posts on this issue has made me more tolerant of and interested in the LDS church. Thanks!
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 1:17 PM on October 22, 2002
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 1:17 PM on October 22, 2002
Err, "have made me..."
Shoulda just walked away.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 1:20 PM on October 22, 2002
Shoulda just walked away.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 1:20 PM on October 22, 2002
Yes, I remember the previous thread on this subject, and comments don't seem to have been closed, so I wonder why this couldn't have been added there?
Because the author of the thread is on a personal mission to "save" Mormons by converting them away from their religion.
In any case, this isn't anything dramatic. It's blow-by-blow NewsFilter at best. As was discussed on the other thread, it was generally understood that the church would appeal, just like anyone else would have done.
It's an issue of vague legal definitions being debated, and it's going through the usual legal processes. Both parties are seeking to ensure that their rights are protected, and I'm sure that our nation's judges will do a pretty good job of it.
posted by oissubke at 1:20 PM on October 22, 2002
Because the author of the thread is on a personal mission to "save" Mormons by converting them away from their religion.
In any case, this isn't anything dramatic. It's blow-by-blow NewsFilter at best. As was discussed on the other thread, it was generally understood that the church would appeal, just like anyone else would have done.
It's an issue of vague legal definitions being debated, and it's going through the usual legal processes. Both parties are seeking to ensure that their rights are protected, and I'm sure that our nation's judges will do a pretty good job of it.
posted by oissubke at 1:20 PM on October 22, 2002
Just blog it. By the way, your numerous posts on this issue has made me more tolerant of and interested in the LDS church. Thanks!
LOL don't say that, you'll make his head explode.
posted by oissubke at 1:21 PM on October 22, 2002
LOL don't say that, you'll make his head explode.
posted by oissubke at 1:21 PM on October 22, 2002
Incidentally:
the LDS Church is appealing.
Yes. Yes it is. Particularly the ladies. ;-)
posted by oissubke at 1:24 PM on October 22, 2002
the LDS Church is appealing.
Yes. Yes it is. Particularly the ladies. ;-)
posted by oissubke at 1:24 PM on October 22, 2002
the LDS Church is appealing.
Yes. Yes it is. Particularly the ladies. ;-)
posted by oissubke at 1:24 PM PST on October 22
Things I never would have suspected before Metafilter: A Mormon can make you laugh on a regular basis.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 1:29 PM on October 22, 2002
Yes. Yes it is. Particularly the ladies. ;-)
posted by oissubke at 1:24 PM PST on October 22
Things I never would have suspected before Metafilter: A Mormon can make you laugh on a regular basis.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 1:29 PM on October 22, 2002
Things I never would have suspected before Metafilter: A Mormon can make you laugh on a regular basis.
Missionary Advice: "When a big mean, dog attacks you, Elder, just remember, you don't have to run faster than the dog -- you just have to outrun your companion."
posted by oissubke at 1:37 PM on October 22, 2002
Missionary Advice: "When a big mean, dog attacks you, Elder, just remember, you don't have to run faster than the dog -- you just have to outrun your companion."
posted by oissubke at 1:37 PM on October 22, 2002
I liked the article about the ramifications. On a strictly practical level, compaining about the deal made between the church and the city makes little sense -- it's hard for me to believe practical effect on the ability to use the downtown SLC area to get any particular message you please out.
Take a look at the area in question. Follow Main Street up to South Temple... you see where it stops, and then continues from North Temple on up? That's the total area in dispute. The rest of the area, all the streets, including the sidewalks along North and South temple. If you want to form a picket perimiter, it's just as simple. If you want a place to stand and shout that you think just about anything you please, 99.9% of downtown Salt Lake is available to you. The church happened to buy a half acre of public property in between some of their other property.
Now, on a principle level, I can see the problem. When you buy a formerly public place, what can you change? Unchecked by law and good judgement, allowing any purchasing entity carte blanche in private property usage could result in a scenario where most of the good space for making a public forum is restricted by private interests who've bought the land. I have the same worries about the RF spectrum.
My own opinion on the situation is that this is the sort of thing that shouldn't be forbidden, but require review. Kindof like environmental impact reviews: when a case like this comes up, it should be neither rubber stamped nor simply blocked, but reviewed for actual impacts on speech. Cases like this are important not because the LDS Church is evil and wants to duct tape your mouth, but because of the precedent. Hopefully this will resort in a sensible conclusion instead of mule-headed competition between people with grudges.
posted by namespan at 1:38 PM on October 22, 2002
Take a look at the area in question. Follow Main Street up to South Temple... you see where it stops, and then continues from North Temple on up? That's the total area in dispute. The rest of the area, all the streets, including the sidewalks along North and South temple. If you want to form a picket perimiter, it's just as simple. If you want a place to stand and shout that you think just about anything you please, 99.9% of downtown Salt Lake is available to you. The church happened to buy a half acre of public property in between some of their other property.
Now, on a principle level, I can see the problem. When you buy a formerly public place, what can you change? Unchecked by law and good judgement, allowing any purchasing entity carte blanche in private property usage could result in a scenario where most of the good space for making a public forum is restricted by private interests who've bought the land. I have the same worries about the RF spectrum.
My own opinion on the situation is that this is the sort of thing that shouldn't be forbidden, but require review. Kindof like environmental impact reviews: when a case like this comes up, it should be neither rubber stamped nor simply blocked, but reviewed for actual impacts on speech. Cases like this are important not because the LDS Church is evil and wants to duct tape your mouth, but because of the precedent. Hopefully this will resort in a sensible conclusion instead of mule-headed competition between people with grudges.
posted by namespan at 1:38 PM on October 22, 2002
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