I see.
November 26, 2002 7:33 AM Subscribe
Great post, fire. Intelligent and entertaining criticism is hard to find these days. And he even balances out the politics with a bit of sex and science. Thanks.
And on preview..."Democratic Ideal?" Huh??
posted by mapalm at 7:54 AM on November 26, 2002
And on preview..."Democratic Ideal?" Huh??
posted by mapalm at 7:54 AM on November 26, 2002
"Virginia finding out there is a Santa Claus but..."
LOL! Thanks, t-f-y-l-m. There's really some gold in here.
posted by Shane at 7:54 AM on November 26, 2002
LOL! Thanks, t-f-y-l-m. There's really some gold in here.
posted by Shane at 7:54 AM on November 26, 2002
Interesting cartoons. Can't figure out how you guys link to them. And are there any men who would wear the 'I'm with stupid' T-shirt' ?
posted by ginz at 8:55 AM on November 26, 2002
posted by ginz at 8:55 AM on November 26, 2002
I don't seem to agree with his politics at all, but at least most of his political ones are better done than Get Your War On. When he stays away from the political issues, some of them are flat out funny.
posted by jammer at 8:55 AM on November 26, 2002
posted by jammer at 8:55 AM on November 26, 2002
"Bitter?" More like spot-on angry, and deservedly so.
posted by mapalm at 9:05 AM on November 26, 2002
posted by mapalm at 9:05 AM on November 26, 2002
"Democratic Ideal": Section one; Seek the arches.
-YodaShane
posted by Shane at 9:12 AM on November 26, 2002
-YodaShane
posted by Shane at 9:12 AM on November 26, 2002
I'm not a fan. Maybe it's because I'm not American, I don't know. I liked the art work. I liked the ideas. Somehow though, it just didn't work for me.
Even nice trivial ones like cupid don't work for me because the captions just don't work... Just the simple change of putting it into the past tense change it so much.
I have my 'winging limey' stickers left over from my last post on fark. If anyone wants them, there's some free space left on my shins...
posted by twine42 at 9:46 AM on November 26, 2002
Even nice trivial ones like cupid don't work for me because the captions just don't work... Just the simple change of putting it into the past tense change it so much.
I have my 'winging limey' stickers left over from my last post on fark. If anyone wants them, there's some free space left on my shins...
posted by twine42 at 9:46 AM on November 26, 2002
Yeah, man, those are hard to link to. He seems a leeeetle bit paranoid about people grabbing this stuff. Anyway, what I was gonna say before spending five minutes tracking down the URL for this cartoon is that he's generally got a good comic sense, and I appreciate the outrage, but sometimes, as twine42 pointed out, the captions work too hard for their own good. This one was punchy and funny without the crossword-puzzle addition. As is, though, it's too convoluted.
posted by soyjoy at 11:42 AM on November 26, 2002
posted by soyjoy at 11:42 AM on November 26, 2002
Um ... it's easy to link to them. Right-click (or hover) over the thumbnail, that gives you the address of the pop-up page. It's not concealed in any deliberate way, such as the places that use javascript to intercept a right-click (as if you couldn't pull down "view source" from the menu anyway).
Time was, MeFites knew how to use a browser.
posted by dhartung at 12:52 PM on November 26, 2002
Time was, MeFites knew how to use a browser.
posted by dhartung at 12:52 PM on November 26, 2002
Anyone using IE with those extra-nice browser "features" of not being able to right-click the image to save it can just enter a ".jpg" extension for whatever the link is. They're usually self-named from the HTML files. In other words, http://www.clowncrack.com/cartoons/large/political/juliansurprise.htm -- the image filename is juliansurprise.jpg, in the same directory.
You'd think the guy would want to popularize his stuff. Why else put it on the internet?
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 1:18 PM on November 26, 2002
You'd think the guy would want to popularize his stuff. Why else put it on the internet?
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 1:18 PM on November 26, 2002
Clown Crack. Pointed, political, possibly offensive cartoons.
You forgot unfunny, leftist, cliche cartoons.
posted by hama7 at 3:08 PM on November 26, 2002
You forgot unfunny, leftist, cliche cartoons.
posted by hama7 at 3:08 PM on November 26, 2002
hama7, we'd love for you to post links of funny rightist (or is it righteous?) original cartoons. We wait in a flurry of anxiety.
posted by four panels at 3:59 PM on November 26, 2002
posted by four panels at 3:59 PM on November 26, 2002
We wait in a flurry of anxiety
Don't hold your breath.
What 'clown-crack' guy needs, my friend, is a 'Holiday in Cambodia', to quote another raving leftist doofus, who happens to be on the money in this case.
posted by hama7 at 4:09 PM on November 26, 2002
Don't hold your breath.
What 'clown-crack' guy needs, my friend, is a 'Holiday in Cambodia', to quote another raving leftist doofus, who happens to be on the money in this case.
posted by hama7 at 4:09 PM on November 26, 2002
"Holiday in Cambodia"
I fail to see how this applies. My own shortcoming, surely, but please explain.
posted by hippugeek at 6:27 PM on November 26, 2002
I fail to see how this applies. My own shortcoming, surely, but please explain.
posted by hippugeek at 6:27 PM on November 26, 2002
My own shortcoming, surely
The refrains alone should suffice to convey how this applies. I'm sure one can fill it in.
posted by hama7 at 6:52 PM on November 26, 2002
The refrains alone should suffice to convey how this applies. I'm sure one can fill it in.
posted by hama7 at 6:52 PM on November 26, 2002
I'm ambivalent about this guy. I loved these ones, but like twine42 said, his captions need some serious editing.
Hama7, I promise I'm not trying to be obnoxious or delibrately thick-headed, but I really still don't get it. "Holiday in Cambodia", as far as I can tell, is about well-off white kids whining and slumming. The suggestion is that they should go see what a truly oppressed country is like, and perhaps recognize their priviledge ("I fought the law and I won" and "I am the law"). Is my lefty bias interpretting this song utterly wrongly? Unless you think that any rant of this guy's is invalid because he's criticizing America (and if that's the case, I give up), I'm not sure where the song's themes come in. Perhaps you could point me to a few cartoons that illustrate your opinion especially well?
I won't be able to post to this discussion again until Saturday, though, so here's a preemptive and sincere thanks if you find some that elucidate your point.
posted by hippugeek at 7:36 PM on November 26, 2002
Hama7, I promise I'm not trying to be obnoxious or delibrately thick-headed, but I really still don't get it. "Holiday in Cambodia", as far as I can tell, is about well-off white kids whining and slumming. The suggestion is that they should go see what a truly oppressed country is like, and perhaps recognize their priviledge ("I fought the law and I won" and "I am the law"). Is my lefty bias interpretting this song utterly wrongly? Unless you think that any rant of this guy's is invalid because he's criticizing America (and if that's the case, I give up), I'm not sure where the song's themes come in. Perhaps you could point me to a few cartoons that illustrate your opinion especially well?
I won't be able to post to this discussion again until Saturday, though, so here's a preemptive and sincere thanks if you find some that elucidate your point.
posted by hippugeek at 7:36 PM on November 26, 2002
Fine.
I think that these poorly drawn excuses for commentary are politically akin to pasting a block of Noam Chomsky quotes to the MetaFilter front page.
These are typical guilty liberal leftist themes, whose scrawler can evidently feel the pain of a thousand imaginary American foes while driving his parents' (capitalist swine!) SUV to the shopping mall, filled with existential angst. In a dizzying, righteous fury of hatred for heartless corporate greed, he basically illustrates Chomsky's harebrained screeds, and scans them onto his mother's computer.
This is the work of a whiny, snotty college kid (or the mental equivalent) who really needs to see how the actual world works, so that he can learn to appreciate things like, oh, his mom's scanner, the keys to the car, heat in the winter, enough to eat, and the thousands of other thing taken for granted.
Or as you put it: "The suggestion is that they should go see what a truly oppressed country is like".
That really wasn't at all clear?
As an American not in America, I can tell you, (with the possible exception of France, unsurprisingly), the humor of pointing to a silhouette of the United States and saying "that's the bastard!" is truly lost. People admire the U.S. because there is a lot to admire. Especially in Korea, no matter how many anti-U.S. student demonstrators there are in front of the U.S. embassy, there are hundreds more waiting in line for visa and citizenship applications in the back.
In other words, America is terrible, except for every other country on the planet. Not all of the cartoons were blatantly regugitated Chomsky nutball leftist bullshit, but there were enough, and not a single comment above indicated any regard whatsoever for the baiting nature of Marxist political polemic disguised as cartoon.
posted by hama7 at 8:42 PM on November 26, 2002
I think that these poorly drawn excuses for commentary are politically akin to pasting a block of Noam Chomsky quotes to the MetaFilter front page.
These are typical guilty liberal leftist themes, whose scrawler can evidently feel the pain of a thousand imaginary American foes while driving his parents' (capitalist swine!) SUV to the shopping mall, filled with existential angst. In a dizzying, righteous fury of hatred for heartless corporate greed, he basically illustrates Chomsky's harebrained screeds, and scans them onto his mother's computer.
This is the work of a whiny, snotty college kid (or the mental equivalent) who really needs to see how the actual world works, so that he can learn to appreciate things like, oh, his mom's scanner, the keys to the car, heat in the winter, enough to eat, and the thousands of other thing taken for granted.
Or as you put it: "The suggestion is that they should go see what a truly oppressed country is like".
That really wasn't at all clear?
As an American not in America, I can tell you, (with the possible exception of France, unsurprisingly), the humor of pointing to a silhouette of the United States and saying "that's the bastard!" is truly lost. People admire the U.S. because there is a lot to admire. Especially in Korea, no matter how many anti-U.S. student demonstrators there are in front of the U.S. embassy, there are hundreds more waiting in line for visa and citizenship applications in the back.
In other words, America is terrible, except for every other country on the planet. Not all of the cartoons were blatantly regugitated Chomsky nutball leftist bullshit, but there were enough, and not a single comment above indicated any regard whatsoever for the baiting nature of Marxist political polemic disguised as cartoon.
posted by hama7 at 8:42 PM on November 26, 2002
anti-americanism is the plague, but anti-anti-americanism is the cholera, but somehow i fail to see how any of these ideologies rightfully apply to mr fish. okay, so he hates the US, but it's anyone's citizen goddamn right to criticize his government if he likes to and that doesn't make him ungrateful, whining or whatever hama7 wants to read into it.
posted by zerofoks at 9:28 PM on November 26, 2002
posted by zerofoks at 9:28 PM on November 26, 2002
btw, they are not "poorly drawn". it is a simple cartoon style, but that's not equivalent to poorly drawn.
posted by zerofoks at 9:30 PM on November 26, 2002
posted by zerofoks at 9:30 PM on November 26, 2002
I think this is some of the funniest single panel style cartooning I've seen in awhile. It has everything I love in humor: It's sick, it's twisted, it's thoughtful, it's definitely going to piss people off and it's political. It's funny because we don't want it to be true. That said, there are some essays posted that aren't genius but worth reading through.
posted by elwoodwiles at 10:09 PM on November 26, 2002
posted by elwoodwiles at 10:09 PM on November 26, 2002
Dear hama7-
What's wrong with a little dissent?
posted by four panels at 12:59 AM on November 27, 2002
What's wrong with a little dissent?
posted by four panels at 12:59 AM on November 27, 2002
hama7... funny...
Now, I can't think of two categories with less in common.
posted by y2karl at 1:25 AM on November 27, 2002
Now, I can't think of two categories with less in common.
posted by y2karl at 1:25 AM on November 27, 2002
Now, I can't think of two categories with less in common
Never one for the ad hominem, are we, wierd-Swedish-Chef-accent-person?
What's wrong with a little dissent?
Nothing at all. I dissent with having to read crappy leftist cartoons, and you dissent with my having expressed my dissent.
posted by hama7 at 1:32 AM on November 27, 2002
Never one for the ad hominem, are we, wierd-Swedish-Chef-accent-person?
What's wrong with a little dissent?
Nothing at all. I dissent with having to read crappy leftist cartoons, and you dissent with my having expressed my dissent.
posted by hama7 at 1:32 AM on November 27, 2002
guilty liberal leftist
But he sure can crank out the regurgitated Rush Limbaugh right wing nutball cliches when he gets excited.
posted by y2karl at 1:33 AM on November 27, 2002
But he sure can crank out the regurgitated Rush Limbaugh right wing nutball cliches when he gets excited.
posted by y2karl at 1:33 AM on November 27, 2002
Never one for the ad hominem, are we
Well, you certainly get your licks in quite frequently, buddy. So stop whining already.
posted by y2karl at 1:35 AM on November 27, 2002
Well, you certainly get your licks in quite frequently, buddy. So stop whining already.
posted by y2karl at 1:35 AM on November 27, 2002
What's on the menu tonight? Swedish meatballs?
Well, you certainly get your licks in quite frequently, buddy. So stop whining already.
For example?
posted by hama7 at 1:37 AM on November 27, 2002
Well, you certainly get your licks in quite frequently, buddy. So stop whining already.
For example?
posted by hama7 at 1:37 AM on November 27, 2002
You are wasting bandwidth, and I'm not playing jerk pattycake anymore.
posted by hama7 at 1:38 AM on November 27, 2002
posted by hama7 at 1:38 AM on November 27, 2002
You've linked that same thing twice now. Not my finest moment but--should I go through your posts and try to find something to try to make you look stupid? You really are a whiner.
posted by y2karl at 1:55 AM on November 27, 2002
posted by y2karl at 1:55 AM on November 27, 2002
For example?
I think I just gave it or should I dig the previous link and a few similar? Such crust... You didn't like the cartoon, you complain about it and people react--then you start foaming at the mouth. It's that liberal cabal again. Except when you look at the top ten of the top 25 here, I don't see a majority of flaming lefties. Not by a long shot.
posted by y2karl at 2:01 AM on November 27, 2002
I think I just gave it or should I dig the previous link and a few similar? Such crust... You didn't like the cartoon, you complain about it and people react--then you start foaming at the mouth. It's that liberal cabal again. Except when you look at the top ten of the top 25 here, I don't see a majority of flaming lefties. Not by a long shot.
posted by y2karl at 2:01 AM on November 27, 2002
"What's wrong with a little dissent?"
Depending on the state of the war effort, quite a bit, it would seem.
posted by kaibutsu at 2:21 AM on November 27, 2002
Depending on the state of the war effort, quite a bit, it would seem.
posted by kaibutsu at 2:21 AM on November 27, 2002
y2karl: check your e-mail, where this nonsense belongs.
posted by hama7 at 2:41 AM on November 27, 2002
posted by hama7 at 2:41 AM on November 27, 2002
I liked the chessboard one. Very simple yet a very accurate view of 21st century warfare. Some of those cartoons are pretty naive.
posted by lazy-ville at 3:50 AM on November 27, 2002
posted by lazy-ville at 3:50 AM on November 27, 2002
I have to admit, I thought these were really bad. Just writing down that you think the government is shit is neither funny nor satire. Thunderingly obvious and dull more like. And rather embarrassing.
posted by Summer at 4:03 AM on November 27, 2002
posted by Summer at 4:03 AM on November 27, 2002
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