Footnotes to history
December 20, 2002 2:36 PM Subscribe
Let's cruise though the Footnotes to History which includes independent countries in the US [More inside]
There's a lady in the Tennessee hills that claimed her land independent and named it the United Acres of Sassafras. She claims that she hasn't paid taxes in decades. Last I know the UAS was still there, the flag was still up anyway, no FBI raid yet!
posted by Pollomacho at 2:45 PM on December 20, 2002
posted by Pollomacho at 2:45 PM on December 20, 2002
so.. you linked to Footnotes two times out of all your links on your post about something completely different.. so that means it's the same as my post?
and you didn't even get the name of the site right..
I searched for 'footnotes to history' on Mefi and found NOTHING and I posted this. It's not my problem that I didn't take human error into account when linking to sites.
Anyways.. moving on
posted by RobbieFal at 3:13 PM on December 20, 2002
and you didn't even get the name of the site right..
I searched for 'footnotes to history' on Mefi and found NOTHING and I posted this. It's not my problem that I didn't take human error into account when linking to sites.
Anyways.. moving on
posted by RobbieFal at 3:13 PM on December 20, 2002
Thanks for this, I think footnotes such as this tell us more than just snippets of interest.
In this case, as with many others they put the main text of history in a very different context - see Cherokee nation, oh land of the free.
(And the same goes for every state mythology, just in case you think I'm partisan).
posted by lerrup at 3:51 PM on December 20, 2002
In this case, as with many others they put the main text of history in a very different context - see Cherokee nation, oh land of the free.
(And the same goes for every state mythology, just in case you think I'm partisan).
posted by lerrup at 3:51 PM on December 20, 2002
It seems a stretch to say this is a double...
In any case, as a history buff, I found in very interesting. For some reason, Shays Rebellion wasn't on the site. Having lived in Western Mass., I can say that there are people *now* who want to separate.
On second glance, I guess the list covered full autonomy, not autonomy on the state level.
The Mapparium at the Christian Science Library in Boston shows the world as of 1932, with "Tannu Tuva" right above Mongolia, which is another rather interesting, short-lived footnote to check out.
posted by Kevs at 3:57 PM on December 20, 2002
In any case, as a history buff, I found in very interesting. For some reason, Shays Rebellion wasn't on the site. Having lived in Western Mass., I can say that there are people *now* who want to separate.
On second glance, I guess the list covered full autonomy, not autonomy on the state level.
The Mapparium at the Christian Science Library in Boston shows the world as of 1932, with "Tannu Tuva" right above Mongolia, which is another rather interesting, short-lived footnote to check out.
posted by Kevs at 3:57 PM on December 20, 2002
Oh, RobbieFal, I was just funnin'--a link in a comment (which I rather doubt you ever saw in the first place) which comes after a multilink post is not the same as an FPP and fair game. It's an interesting site and deserves notice. It's a fine post you've made here.
posted by y2karl at 4:06 PM on December 20, 2002
posted by y2karl at 4:06 PM on December 20, 2002
ok..
it did seem a little nitpicky to claim this as a double-post. :)
posted by RobbieFal at 4:45 PM on December 20, 2002
it did seem a little nitpicky to claim this as a double-post. :)
posted by RobbieFal at 4:45 PM on December 20, 2002
Given that Robbie has had some difficulty getting it right and has taken Matt's advice, I'm inclined to give him a pass. Robbie, double-post call-outs are part of MeFi's self-policing community; there's no need to take it personally.
Anyway, some related issues are intrastate secession movements, such as Upper Michigan, Alta California and Aztlan, panhandles here and there, the odd borough or valley -- as well as a general history of early secession attempts {of states from the union}; and light-nooz overviews from the NY Times and Joe Bob. Go a little farther down this road and you fall into the alternate-history sinkhole, never to return.
posted by dhartung at 11:26 PM on December 20, 2002
Anyway, some related issues are intrastate secession movements, such as Upper Michigan, Alta California and Aztlan, panhandles here and there, the odd borough or valley -- as well as a general history of early secession attempts {of states from the union}; and light-nooz overviews from the NY Times and Joe Bob. Go a little farther down this road and you fall into the alternate-history sinkhole, never to return.
posted by dhartung at 11:26 PM on December 20, 2002
The Conch Republic still exists! ;-) As does Jefferson the 51st State.. okay, they exist virtually :-)
Don't forget the independent nation of Sealand just off of the coast of England either.
posted by wackybrit at 11:50 PM on December 20, 2002
Don't forget the independent nation of Sealand just off of the coast of England either.
posted by wackybrit at 11:50 PM on December 20, 2002
"general history of early secession attempts {of states from the union}" I've always found the story of secession to the Union so strange. West Virginia was created completely contrary to the US Constitution, yet there it is. So glad I live in the State of Jefferson where we don't give one damn about the outside world.
posted by Mack Twain at 12:26 AM on December 21, 2002
posted by Mack Twain at 12:26 AM on December 21, 2002
I had seen this site quite a while back and lost it; my deepest thanks for retrieving it, RobbieFal! (I somehow managed to miss it among the tangled thickets of y2karl's thread...) One could spend months investigating it:
"Missy-aux-Bois: By 1917, most of the people involved in the First World War were heartily sick of the whole deal. No one was more disenchanted than the troops stuck in the trenches, and mutinies often occurred. The most serious mutiny on the Western Front (before the collapse of the German Army in 1918) occurred at the town of Missy-aux-Bois in northeastern France. On May 27, 1917, over 30,000 French troops refused to go forward to the trenches. Some of the mutineers tried to get back to Paris and force the government to make peace. One infantry regiment seized control of the town on June 1 and established an anti-war military government for the area. Marshal Pétain intervened personally, and the military justice system responded promptly with mass arrests and the organization of a huge court martial. More than 23,000 convictions for mutiny were handed out. Fifty soldiers were shot, and 250 more sent to Devil's Island."
posted by languagehat at 3:50 PM on December 21, 2002
"Missy-aux-Bois: By 1917, most of the people involved in the First World War were heartily sick of the whole deal. No one was more disenchanted than the troops stuck in the trenches, and mutinies often occurred. The most serious mutiny on the Western Front (before the collapse of the German Army in 1918) occurred at the town of Missy-aux-Bois in northeastern France. On May 27, 1917, over 30,000 French troops refused to go forward to the trenches. Some of the mutineers tried to get back to Paris and force the government to make peace. One infantry regiment seized control of the town on June 1 and established an anti-war military government for the area. Marshal Pétain intervened personally, and the military justice system responded promptly with mass arrests and the organization of a huge court martial. More than 23,000 convictions for mutiny were handed out. Fifty soldiers were shot, and 250 more sent to Devil's Island."
posted by languagehat at 3:50 PM on December 21, 2002
I wasn't crying doublepost, RobbieFal, just tweaking in a preening lapse.
The way I see it is that anything other than the link in a single link post itself or up to three or four crucial links in a multilink post, and absolutely any link inside, whether it's a 'more inside' comment in continuation by the post or a comment by anyone else, is fair game.
Now what I'd like to see is something like this, combined with your rulers link and some imaginary nation sites. Maybe throw in a library of imaginary books, too.
posted by y2karl at 11:15 AM on December 22, 2002
The way I see it is that anything other than the link in a single link post itself or up to three or four crucial links in a multilink post, and absolutely any link inside, whether it's a 'more inside' comment in continuation by the post or a comment by anyone else, is fair game.
Now what I'd like to see is something like this, combined with your rulers link and some imaginary nation sites. Maybe throw in a library of imaginary books, too.
posted by y2karl at 11:15 AM on December 22, 2002
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posted by RobbieFal at 2:40 PM on December 20, 2002