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		<title>Navajo Code Talkers</title>
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		<description>You&apos;ve probably heard of the WWII &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec1999/9912062a.jpg&quot; title=&quot;photograph&quot;&gt;Navajo&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/images3/navajo-codetalkers06.jpg&quot; title=&quot;photograph&quot;&gt;&quot;code&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/images3/navajo-codetalkers01.jpg&quot; title=&quot;photograph&quot;&gt;talkers&quot;&lt;/a&gt; who managed to baffle crack Japanese cryptanalysts and were credited with enabling US success at Iwo Jima. Civil engineer, journalist and photographer &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nau.edu/library/speccoll/images/fulls/1328a.jpg&quot; title=&quot;photograph&quot;&gt;Philip&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nau.edu/library/speccoll/images/fulls/1327a.jpg&quot; title=&quot;photograph&quot;&gt;Johnston&lt;/a&gt; was the determined mind behind the &quot;windtalkers&quot;. The son of missionaries, Johnston grew up on a Navajo reservation and was one of only a handful of outsiders fluent in the Navajo language. A bit of his background is included &lt;a href=&quot;http://iwhome.com/cknowledge/cstory.html&quot; title=&quot;Language as a Weapon&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt;, and you can read a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/winter_2001_navajo_code_talkers.html&quot; title=&quot;US Nat. Archive article&quot;&gt;complete history&lt;/a&gt; of his plan, view an archive of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www3.nau.edu/cline/creatorreferal.cfm?creator=Philip%20Johnston&quot; title=&quot;over 260 photos - 1920s-1960s&quot;&gt;photos by Johnston&lt;/a&gt;, and see copies of his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.archives.gov/exhibit_hall/a_people_at_war/new_roles/articles_new_roles/codetalkers_letter.html&quot;&gt;enlistment application&lt;/a&gt; letter to the Marine Corps commandant, as well as a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.archives.gov/digital_classroom/lessons/code_talkers/images/letter_01.jpg&quot;&gt;recommendation letter&lt;/a&gt; from the Commanding General. (more inside...) </description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:54:22 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>taz</dc:creator>		<category>Navajo</category>		<category>codetalkers</category>		<category>code</category>		<category>spying</category>		<category>spies</category>		<category>cryptology</category>		<category>windtalkers</category>		<category>WWII</category>		<category>history</category>		<category>secret</category>		<category>Japanese</category>		<category>cryptanalysis</category>		<category>cryptography</category>
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		<title>By: taz</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/22980/Navajo-Code-Talkers#420482</link>	
		<description>Called &quot;the simplest, fastest, and most reliable means available to transmit secret orders by radio and telephone circuits exposed to enemy wire-tapping&quot;, the Navajo code also proved the most inscrutable; according to the Japanese chief of intelligence, his code breakers were able to decipher the codes used by the U.S. Army and Army Air Corps, but never cracked the Marines&apos; Navajo code. There is an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq61-4.htm&quot;&gt;online dictionary&lt;/a&gt; of the code, and a brief explanation of its implementation and a sample page from the actual code talkers&apos; manual &lt;a href=&quot;http://bingaman.senate.gov/code_talkers/code/code.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. For more information, Harrison Lapahie, son of one of the code talkers, has an in-depth &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lapahie.com/NavajoCodeTalker.cfm&quot;&gt;tribute site&lt;/a&gt;, and there are code talker photo galleries &lt;a href=&quot;http://bingaman.senate.gov/code_talkers/men/men.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/medals/navajo/index.cfm?action=PhotoGallery&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. 

We have films, books, documentaries and commemorative medals memorializing the contributions of these men, but they all pale to insignificance next to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.toymania.com/news/messages/324.shtml&quot;&gt;ultimate gesture&lt;/a&gt; of recognition. I wonder if Philip Johnston would have seen this as the bel-dil-khon ut-zah for his code talkers, or would he have said &quot;di-giss-yahzie do-ya-sho-da&quot;?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:55:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PenDevil</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/22980/Navajo-Code-Talkers#420490</link>	
		<description>From the online dictionary.

AFRICA -  ZHIN-NI - BLACKIES

I guess in times of war political correctness goes out the window...</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:07:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gottabefunky</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/22980/Navajo-Code-Talkers#420500</link>	
		<description>Irony: &lt;i&gt;Nearly all the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.indiancountry.com/?16&quot;&gt;American Indian Code Talkers &lt;/a&gt;were forbidden to speak their Native languages when they were students in federal boarding schools.

&lt;small&gt;One who was beaten for speaking his Comanche language was Charles Chibitty, the last survivor of the 17-member Comanche Code Talkers unit of the 4th Signal Company. The Comanche Code Talkers were recognized in 1999 with the Knowlton Award for distinction in Army intelligence. Chibitty received the honor in a ceremony in the Pentagon, where he kept repeating a question, &quot;Why did they wait so long to recognize us?&quot;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

If you&apos;re even in Kayenta, Arizona - probably on your way to or from Monument Valley - the Burger King there is owned by a former Code Talker, and has an interesting exhibit on them.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:15:26 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gottabefunky</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/22980/Navajo-Code-Talkers#420502</link>	
		<description>BTW, good post Taz.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:16:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: effugas</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/22980/Navajo-Code-Talkers#420538</link>	
		<description>For all the depth about what was said in Navajo, what the reports failed to capture is the reason why &lt;b&gt;linguistic&lt;/b&gt; analysis of the Navajo tongue failed so spectacularly:

Apparently, Navajo uses phonetic distinctions nobody else even dreams of.

My linguistics professor in college was an interesting character.  Not sure exactly where he came from, but among his many quirks, he absolutely could not hear the difference between the words &quot;pen&quot; and &quot;pin&quot;.

Now, on the one hand, the difference is obvious.  On the other...if you think about it hard...your mouth does almost the exact same thing with both words.  They really are pretty similar...

Turns out, when we&apos;re babies we babble all possible sounds our mouths can make.  As we get older, the set of babbled phonemes coalesces into what we&apos;re hearing from the language around us, and eventually *becomes* the language around us.  But while we gain the ability to speak the language, we lose the ability to recognize the phonemes that weren&apos;t around when we were young.  Eventually, this loss becomes near-permanent.

(Thus, the absolute idiocy of starting foreign language acquisition in high school and college.  But that&apos;s another story.)

The Japanese are famous for simply not hearing the difference between the liquids -- L and R.  They can get by even with when they fail to relearn the distinction, due to the relatively recognizable form of the rest of the syllables.  Navajo engenders no such flexibility.  There are so many unique discriminators, that are so different from what the &quot;traditional&quot; phonetic selections are, that listeners likely couldn&apos;t even &lt;b&gt;transcribe&lt;/b&gt; what they were hearing, let alone attempt to translate it.

This has cryptographic significance:  A simple symbol code, even amplified by having common letters posessing multiple forms, is pretty useless -- you can train a grunt to use &quot;a-kah-foo&quot; instead of J.  But the grunt will use an easily parseable American accent.  The Navajo will use something else entirely -- and every time, it&apos;ll be slightly different, because the mood is different, the tone of voice is different, the position in the sentence is off.  And all those subtle shifts, combined with the inability to segment out the speech, lead to an undecipherable codec.

It wasn&apos;t the strangeness of the words.  It was the oddness of the phonemes.  In the interests of simplifying the explanation, it&apos;s a bit sad they missed this one critical point.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:14:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: andrew cooke</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/22980/Navajo-Code-Talkers#420562</link>	
		<description>thanks, effugas.  i guess that means that this kind of code isn&apos;t likely to work in the future - presumably we either can now, or soon will be able to (in say the next ten or so years), use statistical analysis to fragment a (digitised) recording into phonemes, even if those phonemes have don&apos;t exist in our native tongue.  or does the shift in intonation between messages due to context imply that we need a (culturally-based) model to correlate between messages?  i would guess that&apos;s not a problem, given sufficient data.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:38:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gottabefunky</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/22980/Navajo-Code-Talkers#420593</link>	
		<description>Navajo is apparently full of subtlety, nuance, and puns. &lt;small&gt;(Thanks Tony Hillerman)&lt;/small&gt;

And even a Navajo soldier captured by the Japanese had no idea what his fellow tribe members were saying.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:05:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gottabefunky</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/22980/Navajo-Code-Talkers#420597</link>	
		<description>On &lt;b&gt;effugas&lt;/b&gt;&apos;stopic raised - I&apos;ve always wondered about a link between music and language acquisition. (&quot;musical ear&quot; = &quot;ear for language&quot;?)

I play a few instruments, and while my Spanish vocabulary and grammar (learned in college) are atrocious, my accent sometimes gets compliments. Then I say something like &quot;I wanting go bus now please?&quot;, and that stops.&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:13:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mokey</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/22980/Navajo-Code-Talkers#420599</link>	
		<description>fascinating link and discussion. thanks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:16:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: taz</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/22980/Navajo-Code-Talkers#420620</link>	
		<description>There&apos;s a little bit about the language itself &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/Technology/Crystal_Radio3.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, including this comment:

&lt;i&gt;Navajo verb is &quot;like a tiny imagist poem.&quot; na&apos;il-dil means &quot;You are accustomed to eat plural separable objects one at a time.&quot; This linguistic and phonetic complexity makes the language not only difficult for non-Navajos to understand but almost impossible to counterfeit.&lt;/i&gt;

So... poetic, and economic, too!</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:31:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: andrew cooke</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/22980/Navajo-Code-Talkers#420623</link>	
		<description>gottabefunky - i&apos;ve heard there&apos;s a link between perfect pitch and certain languages.  iirc some languages (cantonese?) the (absolute?) pitch carries information, so native speakers tend not to lose the ability which (pushing my vague memory too hard) everyone is born with.  or something.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:32:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: answergrape</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/22980/Navajo-Code-Talkers#420643</link>	
		<description>It wasn&apos;t just the Navajo; the Apaches and the Commanche were all involved in the code talking program. It&apos;s so ironic that the code talkers were so honored for their unique language when they were beaten severely for using their native language in schools in Arizona and New Mexico. There are people in New Mexico my age (in their 30&apos;s) who don&apos;t know their tribal language or heritage because their parents were forbidden from speaking it in schools and deliberately avoided teaching their children.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:52:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: madamjujujive</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/22980/Navajo-Code-Talkers#421224</link>	
		<description>Yay, taz is back with another great post. Thanks!
 
If anyone is curious, here&apos;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://waltonfeed.com/peoples/navajo/language.html&quot;&gt;sound clip&lt;/a&gt; of the Navajo language.  
And this site isn&apos;t too pretty, but I found the content &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lapahie.com/NavajoCodeTalker.cfm&quot;&gt;interesting&lt;/a&gt;, especially the tribute to one of the Code Talkers, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lapahie.com/Dad.cfm&quot;&gt;Harrison Lapahie&lt;/a&gt; made by his son. I found some of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lapahie.com/Harry_Benally.cfm&quot;&gt;individual profiles&lt;/a&gt; of the Code Talkers interesting.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:28:00 -0800</pubDate>
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