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	<title>Comments on: 1953 floods</title>
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	<pubDate>Sun, 02 Feb 2003 05:54:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>1953 floods</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.delta2003.nl/index.php?url=/&amp;lng=en"&gt;Delta 2003&lt;/a&gt; Yesterday the 1953 floods were commemorated in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.delta2003.nl/index.php?url=/welcome/index&amp;lng=en&quot;&gt;the Netherlands&lt;/a&gt; and a day earlier in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/essex/features/1953_floods/index.shtml&quot;&gt;the UK&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.delta2003.nl/index.php?url=/rode_draad/ramp/wat_gebeurde_er_/index&amp;lng=en&quot;&gt;What happened in 1953?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Feb 2003 04:29:59 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ginz</dc:creator>		<category>UK</category>		<category>Netherlands</category>		<category>anniversary</category>		<category>history</category>		<category>1953</category>		<category>flood</category>		<category>floods</category>		<category>brokenlink</category>
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		<title>By: bwg</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23252/1953-floods#427776</link>	
		<description>I watched a video several years ago that detailed the massive engineering feat that was the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.delta2003.nl/index.php?url=/rode_draad/deltawerken/werken/oosterschelde/bouw&amp;lng=en&quot; title=&quot;Eastern Scheldt &quot;&gt;Eastern Scheldt&lt;/a&gt;.

The Dutch are absolute masters of controlling water. Given that such a large percentage of their land lies below sea level, they have little choice.

&lt;b&gt;Nederland beslist de zee!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: troutfishing</title>
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		<description>The Dutch need to channel some serious money into educating the US public about Global Warming to counter Exxon-Mobil&apos;s PR outlay (poo-pooing the threat) and so ennable worldwide action. 

The oceans are rising, and those dikes will only hold for so long, especially in the event of a Global Warming associated &quot;surprise&quot;.  When venturing into the unknown, as with the Franklin Expedition or the US Space Shuttle, &quot;surprises&quot; will happen, and they can be very nasty indeed.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Feb 2003 07:17:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: esha</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23252/1953-floods#427850</link>	
		<description>True, trout, however...

Last week, a survey amongst the Zeeuwen (roughly, the people now living in the area affected in &apos;53) noted that the majority thought a similar disaster will happen again - because of global warming. Interestingly, the mood seemed to be one dismissing it as inevitable; it was noted in the media (the survey was the opening news item on radio 1 news all afternoon), but it got no follow up. Zilch.

You&apos;d think that of all people, the Dutch would be a big lobbying party against global warming. Maybe they are behind the scenes, possibly via the EU, but we don&apos;t know. There is widespread anger about the axing of Kyoto over here, but it is a pessimistic anger. A sense of giving up seems to prevail. 

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rijkswaterstaat.nl/water/&quot;&gt;agency governing the water defences&lt;/a&gt; issued a report a few years ago, concluding that if sea levels would rise truly severely (a couple of meters, iirc - can&apos;t find the report now), they would not be able to keep up; however, long before that time, coastal regions in less affluent areas (especially Bangladesh) would be long gone, and it would be better to concentrate on that. Which is the sad truth: the Delta Works cost an incredible amount of money (no figures at hand, but it was billions, at a time when a million still was a considerable sum in budgets).

&lt;small&gt;I think it might have been a move by the agency to enter the foreign aid market, engineering a Bangladesh Delta Works - but I think I may get too cynical now.&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Feb 2003 10:00:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: madamjujujive</title>
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		<description>ginz, thanks for this interesting collection of links - I wasn&apos;t aware of this event. Here&apos;s an interesting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.atlantahollandclub.homestead.com/files/watersnood_ceilingpainting_Hans/watersnood.htm&quot;&gt;family account&lt;/a&gt; of events and this is an account from Radio Netherlands that also has an excellent half hour audio documentary called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rnw.nl/holland/html/030129zeeland.html&quot;&gt;Zeeland 53&lt;/a&gt; with very dramatic personal accounts and on the spot reporting from an era when radio and not video reporting brought us our news.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Feb 2003 11:07:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: troutfishing</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23252/1953-floods#428085</link>	
		<description>madamJujujive - I dread your links. My heart is heavy...

&lt;small&gt;I think of Anais Nin, writing about Paris just before the War, just before all was swept away...&lt;/small&gt;

esha - Why, why, why? 

&lt;small&gt;&lt;i&gt;they&apos;ve lost &lt;b&gt;conviction&lt;/b&gt;, haven&apos;t they!  *slams fist on table, furiously thumbs though King James Bible for suitable scathing quotation, finds none, turns to modern poetry compilation... *&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/small&gt;

&quot;The best shall lack all conviction while the worst shall be filled with passionate intensity......&quot; (W.B. Yeats, &quot;The Second Coming&quot;)

Somebody grant the Netherlands a little optimism, a little RAGE........

&lt;small&gt;rage, rage, against the dying of the light!...&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Feb 2003 20:15:33 -0800</pubDate>
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