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	<title>Comments on: Celestia: A free real time space simulation</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 10:34:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Celestia: A free real time space simulation</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.shatters.net/celestia/"&gt;Celestia&lt;/a&gt; is the most beautiful toy.  It&apos;s a free (open source) simulator of the universe, including breathtaking models of known planets.  Watch Jupiter rise over Io or follow the course of a solar eclipse.  [more inside]</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 10:23:46 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>grahamwell</dc:creator>		<category>celestia</category>		<category>space</category>		<category>planets</category>		<category>solarsystem</category>		<category>opensource</category>		<category>software</category>
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		<title>By: grahamwell</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429305</link>	
		<description>The main download is about 11 Mb for Windows (link above).  There&apos;s an active development community &lt;a href=http://www.shatters.net/forum/index.php?sid=4caf3ccfee4218bb634fa2fee7d84403&quot; &quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.   An enlarged star database is &lt;a href=&quot;http://perso.wanadoo.fr/celestia.stars/index.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (warning: this will slow loading time).  Other add-ons, including some beautiful imaginary solar systems are &lt;a href=&quot;http://63.224.48.65/~rassilon/&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  If you have 15Gb of free space, Marc Griffith is working on an add-on which will turn Celestia into an &apos;Elite&apos; type game, more details at &lt;a href=&quot;http://mostlyharmless.sourceforge.net/index.htm&quot;&gt;Mostly Harmless&lt;/a&gt; which includes a fractal planet generator to populate the entire galaxy.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 10:34:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: chrid</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429330</link>	
		<description>Great links grahamwell, I just downloaded Celestia the other day and was really really impressed, but I never looked further so never knew about the add-ons. Fantastic for folks who love space!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 11:02:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: grahamwell</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429341</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://bruckner.homelinux.net/addons.html&quot;&gt;This link&lt;/a&gt; is good too.  I recommend the imaginary system right at the bottom (18sc0.zip) - he&apos;s right, it&apos;s a triumph of the imagination.  If you want to see the &quot;rest of the universe&quot; - the galaxies and clusters in the local group, use the data file &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.geocities.com/doctorshnub/galaxies_and_clusters.txt&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 11:15:15 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>grahamwell</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: edh</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429345</link>	
		<description>NASA have a great simulator of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://space.jpl.nasa.gov/&quot;&gt;solar system&lt;/a&gt; too.....</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 11:17:34 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: vacapinta</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429357</link>	
		<description>I&apos;ve been recently playing around with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.planetside.co.uk/terragen/&quot;&gt;Terragen&lt;/a&gt;, a fractal landscape generator which is quite easy to use for a beginner like myself. It has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.terrasource.net/&quot;&gt;wide following&lt;/a&gt; as well. And, although its is mostly used to generate &lt;a href=&quot;http://flycatcher.250free.com/Terragen/Index.htm&quot;&gt;static&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vortex-one.net/tgen-gallery/index.html&quot;&gt; pictures&lt;/a&gt;, the community has started using it to generate&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.terradreams.de/All/Tutorials/SpaceTut/IndexENGL.htm&quot;&gt; planets&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://terranim.cjb.net/&quot;&gt;fly-overs.&lt;/a&gt;

Perhaps the two can converge?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 11:24:15 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>vacapinta</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: WolfDaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429372</link>	
		<description>[all links = this is doubleplusgood]

Thanks everyone!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 11:43:10 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>WolfDaddy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: bondcliff</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429377</link>	
		<description>Way back in the time of Windows 3.1 (you kids may not remember...) I had a program called VistaPro that would use USGS DEM files to render 3D landscapes.  

Great program.  That Terragen reminded me of it but I liked Vistapro because it would render actual places.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 11:45:48 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>bondcliff</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: WolfDaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429389</link>	
		<description>bondcliff, VistaPro is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.andromedasoftware.com/cd213.htm&quot;&gt;still out there&lt;/a&gt;, though I haven&apos;t used it for awhile. The publisher claims it is XP compatible.  I think I&apos;ll fire it up tonight and see how screaming fast it is these days, it used to take forEVER on my Pentium 60, especially when drawing trees. :-)

Also, VistaPro is apparently Arthur C. Clarke Approved.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 11:54:53 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>WolfDaddy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: bondcliff</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429392</link>	
		<description>Thanks, wolfdaddy.  I just did a google search and found the same site.  They never really did much with it.  Such a shame, it had some great potential.

I remember trying to render animations on my P-90.  I&apos;d leave it running all night and hope I had a movie by morning.  I&apos;d imagine they could make it real time these days.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 11:58:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gravelshoes</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429406</link>	
		<description>curse my dialup!  thanks in anticipation</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 12:12:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: majick</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429444</link>	
		<description>If, like me, you find that the latest version of Celestia does nothing but fall down and writhe on the floor as soon as it&apos;s started (due to a bug introduced in 1.2.5), you may want &lt;a href=&quot;http://63.224.48.65/celestia/files/&quot;&gt;one of the previous versions from the archives&lt;/a&gt;.  1.2.4 apparently works where 1.2.5 doesn&apos;t -- something about OpenGL driver compatibility in the 3ds model loading code, for the curious.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 13:08:36 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>majick</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Blubble</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429502</link>	
		<description>Version 1.2.5 crashes almost immediately on my normally very stable work PC running Win2K SP3. I guess I&apos;ll try 1.2.4.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 14:08:33 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Blubble</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: WolfDaddy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429519</link>	
		<description>Blubble, you may need to upgrade your video drivers.  I couldn&apos;t run 1.2.5 because I was using the &quot;Microsoft Certified&quot; XP driver for my card ... which--fancy that!--didn&apos;t have OpenGL support.

The manufacturer-supplied driver did the trick, though 1.2.4 still runs noticeably faster on my rig.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 14:31:18 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>WolfDaddy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: shadow45</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429545</link>	
		<description>wow, great post.  [golf clap]


seriously... i was using worldmap3d before, and uh.. quite frankly it blows ass in comparison.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 15:05:49 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>shadow45</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: gravelshoes</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429547</link>	
		<description>nice!  

here&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://home.attbi.com/~s-p-oneil&quot;&gt;another pretty toy&lt;/a&gt; (download GSPlanet) from the shatters.net forum</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 15:06:59 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>gravelshoes</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: tss</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429608</link>	
		<description>I&apos;ve heard very good things about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.haydenplanetarium.org/hp/vo/partiview/index.html&quot;&gt;Partiview&lt;/a&gt;, but my friend at the American Museum of Natural History says that the MacOS X version will be a long time coming. Oh well.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 16:23:41 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>tss</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: LoopSouth</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429614</link>	
		<description>I remember playing MS Space simulator years ago... but all I used it for was for the ability to view the planets from odd perspectives... 

You could crank the speed of time to over a million years a second too...

It was alot like Celestia, but you could fly around in spaceships, basically...</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 16:31:56 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>LoopSouth</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: mcwetboy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429631</link>	
		<description>Very ... slow ... download ...</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 16:54:44 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>mcwetboy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: botono9</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#429774</link>	
		<description>Thank you... thank you... thank you...</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2003 21:10:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: raygirvan</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#430027</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pandromeda.com/&quot;&gt;MojoWorld&lt;/a&gt;,  a commercial planet generator product, is also worth a glance.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Feb 2003 08:46:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: RJ Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/23309/Celestia-A-free-real-time-space-simulation#430080</link>	
		<description>Sounds gorgeous. I&apos;m glad &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.badtiki.com/CelestiaSpeaks.htm&quot;&gt;Anne&lt;/a&gt; is finally getting her due credit.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:09:56 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>RJ Reynolds</dc:creator>
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