Reactions from the Arab world
March 21, 2003 6:22 PM Subscribe
Reactions from the Arab world Meanwhile Israel gets more financial aid from the US further angering Muslims and contributing to Zionist/US conspiracy theories. Sadly, Bush seems to have found how to pay for this war by not supporting the troops.
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well, would you rather cut funds for veterans or for israel?
posted by mcsweetie at 6:57 PM on March 21, 2003
posted by mcsweetie at 6:57 PM on March 21, 2003
It's just history repeating, see vietnam.
posted by elpapacito at 7:03 PM on March 21, 2003
posted by elpapacito at 7:03 PM on March 21, 2003
Veterans aid isn't going to be cut. At least not by a Republican President.
As far as the reaction from the Arab street, IRDGAS.
I did at one time, but I then I wised up.
Iraqfilter, btw.
posted by Beholder at 7:07 PM on March 21, 2003
As far as the reaction from the Arab street, IRDGAS.
I did at one time, but I then I wised up.
Iraqfilter, btw.
posted by Beholder at 7:07 PM on March 21, 2003
Reactions from Safwan, Iraq
“Americans very good,” Ali Khemy said. “Iraq wants to be free.”
“Saddam Hussein is no good. Saddam Hussein a butcher.”
posted by gyc at 7:25 PM on March 21, 2003
“Americans very good,” Ali Khemy said. “Iraq wants to be free.”
“Saddam Hussein is no good. Saddam Hussein a butcher.”
posted by gyc at 7:25 PM on March 21, 2003
Iraqfilter? Gee thanks, Beholder, I wouldn't have notice had you not pointed it out.
posted by Space Coyote at 7:26 PM on March 21, 2003
posted by Space Coyote at 7:26 PM on March 21, 2003
More than IRDGAS, what are they so angry about? That American bombs will, unfortunately, fufill 1 or 2 percent of Saddam's annual Gross Domestic Death Product ( hereinafter, "GDDP")? That thanks to America, Iraqis will, unlike the protesters, have a better future?
Hey Arab Street: spend your protests protesting the fact that you live in backward, corrupt toilets of countries. Arab Street: if you were smart, you would be protesting to let America attack your countries. Remember: (although, personally, I don't like either), being forced-fed fast food is still better than being forced-fed what you get living in a toilet....
posted by ParisParamus at 7:33 PM on March 21, 2003
Hey Arab Street: spend your protests protesting the fact that you live in backward, corrupt toilets of countries. Arab Street: if you were smart, you would be protesting to let America attack your countries. Remember: (although, personally, I don't like either), being forced-fed fast food is still better than being forced-fed what you get living in a toilet....
posted by ParisParamus at 7:33 PM on March 21, 2003
Also, Kudos to Salon's forced-feeding of ads. Sort of like the Burma Shave billboards. Very cool.
posted by ParisParamus at 7:34 PM on March 21, 2003
posted by ParisParamus at 7:34 PM on March 21, 2003
it's a valid question, though. i mean, we held so much crap over turkey, whose economy is also in the toilet because of what's happening in the region, only to have them lose out on the gains to their conscience ... and meanwhile israel gets scads of aid just for being israel? and meanwhile our troops are getting dicked over? please, someone set me straight. make it not sound like a clusterfuck. (someone who isn't freedom paramus, who makes stuff up like a hack bob woodward.)
posted by donkeyschlong at 7:44 PM on March 21, 2003
posted by donkeyschlong at 7:44 PM on March 21, 2003
Look, I think many troops are underpaid (even if the cost of living near most military bases is lower than here near NYC). As for "cutbacks" in veterans programs, has anyone mentioned that there are less and less veterans to pay for?
posted by ParisParamus at 7:50 PM on March 21, 2003
posted by ParisParamus at 7:50 PM on March 21, 2003
"only to have them lose out on the gains to their conscience"...Donkey, are you making that up or WTF? The whole deal with Turkey has nothing to do with conscience and everything to do with those Ottomanistic Kurd-hating turds demanding that we hand over northern Iraq to them so they can prevent the Kurds from being free. I believe there are individuals opposed to war as a matter of conscience, but I can't think of any country whose opposition isn't tied to economics and power. In fact I've noticed that the louder they yell the deeper their conflict of interest.
posted by Mack Twain at 8:01 PM on March 21, 2003
posted by Mack Twain at 8:01 PM on March 21, 2003
bad word choice on my part, but didn't the decision have a lot to do with public opinion in turkey? (i agree -- they're total dicks when it comes to the kurds, but i'm talking about the aid here. and it's still an open question why israel gets so much for doing squat besides making the rest of the world hate us even more.)
posted by donkeyschlong at 8:06 PM on March 21, 2003
posted by donkeyschlong at 8:06 PM on March 21, 2003
The Turkish Army gets to enter Iraq for opening its airspace to US warplanes.
They would have gotten $$$ for letting the US ground troops enter from Turkey, but public opinion was not in favour of it.
posted by Stuart_R at 8:12 PM on March 21, 2003
They would have gotten $$$ for letting the US ground troops enter from Turkey, but public opinion was not in favour of it.
posted by Stuart_R at 8:12 PM on March 21, 2003
Heres a tract from jack chick on why you should support isreal
posted by Iax at 8:22 PM on March 21, 2003
posted by Iax at 8:22 PM on March 21, 2003
Can we use military GPS technology to drop ParisParamus in the middle of the Arab street? Please? Or just in the middle of any street, as long as it's busy with traffic?
posted by riviera at 8:33 PM on March 21, 2003
posted by riviera at 8:33 PM on March 21, 2003
Jack Chick is certainly among the wisest of men who leave little religious comic books in bus shelters and phone booths.
He does believe in supporting Israel... and helping alll those poor misguided Rabbis too.
posted by Stuart_R at 8:36 PM on March 21, 2003
He does believe in supporting Israel... and helping alll those poor misguided Rabbis too.
posted by Stuart_R at 8:36 PM on March 21, 2003
Oh, right, you people. When someone posts a right-wing pro-war rant, you call it lunatic ravings. But when someone graces this site with insinuations of Zionist conspiracies, it's a legitimate argument?
posted by Krrrlson at 8:52 PM on March 21, 2003
posted by Krrrlson at 8:52 PM on March 21, 2003
seriously, i don't gave a shit about any conspiracies, nor about any other country in particular, including israel. live and let live. i'd just like to hear a rational explanation for why israel deserves so much aid, especially now when there are far more deserving and pressing cases.
posted by donkeyschlong at 9:11 PM on March 21, 2003
posted by donkeyschlong at 9:11 PM on March 21, 2003
gave = give ... tired.
posted by donkeyschlong at 9:31 PM on March 21, 2003
posted by donkeyschlong at 9:31 PM on March 21, 2003
It's not what you posted, it's how certain people take it. No offense meant.
posted by Krrrlson at 10:32 PM on March 21, 2003
posted by Krrrlson at 10:32 PM on March 21, 2003
What I want to know is do you really feel our world will be safer now?
There was fury Friday across the Muslim world. Two protesters in Yemen were killed as they tried to storm the American embassy. In Jordan, according to Al Jazeera, 80,000 people defied a government ban to march and police used tear gas to disperse a crowd in the city of Ma-an. In Cairo, Egypt, tens of thousands of demonstrators flooded the streets after Friday prayers. Some set overturned cars alight and the police beat and arrested hundreds. In Jakarta, Indonesia, according to the Jakarta Post, 2,500 people protested outside the U.S. embassy, with larger protests scheduled for Sunday. And according to the BBC, thousands protested across Africa, in Bangladesh, Indian-controlled Kashmir and Pakistan, where a "million man march" is planned for Sunday.
Sinan Antoon, an Iraqi-born Harvard graduate student living in Cairo, says there's a feeling of emergency on the ground. "It's very, very tense," he says. "Everyone is angry. Everyone is depressed. I think [the government] is a bit worried. One can tell by the ruthlessness in countering today's demos. The security hit and arrested only men yesterday. Today they're hitting women as well and arresting them."
Meanwhile, many have noted that the war could help al-Qaida recruits, and recent reports of jihadists heading to Iraq seem to confirm this. According to the Middle East Media Research Institute, "The London-based Saudi daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat quoted Islamist fundamentalists in London as stating that thousands of Arab Afghans (a term applied to Arabs who volunteered to fight the Soviet Union in Afghanistan) have entered Iraq to participate in suicide missions against American forces. The same sources also revealed that 2,500 Lebanese Islamists have been in Iraq for six months in special training camps. " And according to the BBC, the Nigerian government, which has banned protests, reports that some of its citizens are heading to Iraq to fight American forces.
"The jihadis go into the mosques to recruit, and when America is raining down bombs on Baghdad, all of a sudden their reading of the Koran, that calls you to take action against America to defend Muslims, is more resonant," says Cole. Invading Iraq has really helped stop terror, hasn't it?
posted by y2karl at 11:29 PM on March 21, 2003
There was fury Friday across the Muslim world. Two protesters in Yemen were killed as they tried to storm the American embassy. In Jordan, according to Al Jazeera, 80,000 people defied a government ban to march and police used tear gas to disperse a crowd in the city of Ma-an. In Cairo, Egypt, tens of thousands of demonstrators flooded the streets after Friday prayers. Some set overturned cars alight and the police beat and arrested hundreds. In Jakarta, Indonesia, according to the Jakarta Post, 2,500 people protested outside the U.S. embassy, with larger protests scheduled for Sunday. And according to the BBC, thousands protested across Africa, in Bangladesh, Indian-controlled Kashmir and Pakistan, where a "million man march" is planned for Sunday.
Sinan Antoon, an Iraqi-born Harvard graduate student living in Cairo, says there's a feeling of emergency on the ground. "It's very, very tense," he says. "Everyone is angry. Everyone is depressed. I think [the government] is a bit worried. One can tell by the ruthlessness in countering today's demos. The security hit and arrested only men yesterday. Today they're hitting women as well and arresting them."
Meanwhile, many have noted that the war could help al-Qaida recruits, and recent reports of jihadists heading to Iraq seem to confirm this. According to the Middle East Media Research Institute, "The London-based Saudi daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat quoted Islamist fundamentalists in London as stating that thousands of Arab Afghans (a term applied to Arabs who volunteered to fight the Soviet Union in Afghanistan) have entered Iraq to participate in suicide missions against American forces. The same sources also revealed that 2,500 Lebanese Islamists have been in Iraq for six months in special training camps. " And according to the BBC, the Nigerian government, which has banned protests, reports that some of its citizens are heading to Iraq to fight American forces.
"The jihadis go into the mosques to recruit, and when America is raining down bombs on Baghdad, all of a sudden their reading of the Koran, that calls you to take action against America to defend Muslims, is more resonant," says Cole. Invading Iraq has really helped stop terror, hasn't it?
posted by y2karl at 11:29 PM on March 21, 2003
Yah, and what's really going to fuck us over is that even the mainstream, pragmatic, cautious Islamic organizations are saying that it's time to treat America to jihad. These are the same groups that condemned every previous radical call to jihad.
Bush may have started a religious war. And that, my friends, is going to suck.
posted by five fresh fish at 12:43 AM on March 22, 2003
Bush may have started a religious war. And that, my friends, is going to suck.
posted by five fresh fish at 12:43 AM on March 22, 2003
Yellowtimes.org doesn't look credible to me. Seems one sided. We have witnesses that saw Saddam Hussein being carried out on a stretcher with oxygen. Of course we hit him. This site is very one-sided, I don't trust it and wouldn't use it to base an opinion.
posted by RunsWithBandageScissors at 1:01 AM on March 22, 2003
posted by RunsWithBandageScissors at 1:01 AM on March 22, 2003
why does Jack Chick leave out the last frame of the comic, where the Jews don't get redeemed and are all condemned to hell?
posted by charlesv at 6:07 AM on March 22, 2003
posted by charlesv at 6:07 AM on March 22, 2003
Oh, right, you people. When someone posts a right-wing pro-war rant, you call it lunatic ravings.
Reading the thread not the same take. Been watching C-Span: Al Mana Lebanon(if you say their news is slanted, then two-slippery slopes for you to balance on) Saw the similar reporting as from the Salon article; Sinan Antoon, an Iraqi-born Harvard graduate student living in Cairo, says there's a feeling of emergency on the ground. "It's very, very tense," he says. "Everyone is angry. Everyone is depressed. I think [the government] is a bit worried. One can tell by the ruthlessness in countering today's demos. The security hit and arrested only men yesterday. Today they're hitting women as well and arresting them."
Shocked & jeered seeing reports on people being bashed/bloodied on an Arabic channel. These people were not given permission to demonstrate, so breaking the law in that country. But these demonstrations were against the USA, for crying out loud...educantional. Sure there is more to the story, but with what was being reported, didn't feel it was slanted towards my way.
Found it sad, not negative directed toward me. Because now seeing why many diversities come to the USA to live, freedom. Heard negative remarks but did not take offense, only words. Realized too, unless you have been to a place, the knowledge housed in that location is unknown, travel is the key.
posted by thomcatspike at 11:41 AM on March 22, 2003
Reading the thread not the same take. Been watching C-Span: Al Mana Lebanon(if you say their news is slanted, then two-slippery slopes for you to balance on) Saw the similar reporting as from the Salon article; Sinan Antoon, an Iraqi-born Harvard graduate student living in Cairo, says there's a feeling of emergency on the ground. "It's very, very tense," he says. "Everyone is angry. Everyone is depressed. I think [the government] is a bit worried. One can tell by the ruthlessness in countering today's demos. The security hit and arrested only men yesterday. Today they're hitting women as well and arresting them."
Shocked & jeered seeing reports on people being bashed/bloodied on an Arabic channel. These people were not given permission to demonstrate, so breaking the law in that country. But these demonstrations were against the USA, for crying out loud...educantional. Sure there is more to the story, but with what was being reported, didn't feel it was slanted towards my way.
Found it sad, not negative directed toward me. Because now seeing why many diversities come to the USA to live, freedom. Heard negative remarks but did not take offense, only words. Realized too, unless you have been to a place, the knowledge housed in that location is unknown, travel is the key.
posted by thomcatspike at 11:41 AM on March 22, 2003
As for "cutbacks" in veterans programs, has anyone mentioned that there are less and less veterans to pay for?
I don't think I've ever graced anybody on mefi in this way before: Paris, you're an idiot. Go take nap or something, all this thinking is making you tired.
So if there are less veterans overall, each individual veteran should get fewer benefits? Your logic leaves me in awe.
And isn't Bush creating around 300,000 veterans right now? Veterans who will get the shaft when it come to medical and other benefits 10 years from now? Your willful ignorance leaves me cowed.
posted by elwoodwiles at 12:22 PM on March 22, 2003
I don't think I've ever graced anybody on mefi in this way before: Paris, you're an idiot. Go take nap or something, all this thinking is making you tired.
So if there are less veterans overall, each individual veteran should get fewer benefits? Your logic leaves me in awe.
And isn't Bush creating around 300,000 veterans right now? Veterans who will get the shaft when it come to medical and other benefits 10 years from now? Your willful ignorance leaves me cowed.
posted by elwoodwiles at 12:22 PM on March 22, 2003
"Invading Iraq is supposed to be the first step in remolding the Middle East into something more to the liking of US neo-conservatives. Indeed, the Arab and Muslim worlds are reforming, but - at least for now - in the opposite direction: toward new radical groups, angry street protests in formerly pro-US states, and philosophical about-faces by formerly pro-American intellectuals."
posted by homunculus at 12:56 PM on March 22, 2003
posted by homunculus at 12:56 PM on March 22, 2003
Can we have Riviera dropped off in Iraq? I would gladly pay to ship him over...
posted by Macboy at 1:17 PM on March 22, 2003
posted by Macboy at 1:17 PM on March 22, 2003
One thing I can say for riviera is that he comes up with original material. Perhaps we could drop you off in a Creative Writing seminar?
posted by y2karl at 1:39 PM on March 22, 2003
posted by y2karl at 1:39 PM on March 22, 2003
Sadly, Bush seems to have found how to pay for this war by not supporting the troops.
Wow. Talk about propaganda...you paste a two paragraph blurb about a bill being introduced to the floor as evidence that Bush isn't supporting troops? That's insulting, skallas, and blatantly misinformed.
posted by BlueTrain at 1:46 PM on March 22, 2003
Wow. Talk about propaganda...you paste a two paragraph blurb about a bill being introduced to the floor as evidence that Bush isn't supporting troops? That's insulting, skallas, and blatantly misinformed.
posted by BlueTrain at 1:46 PM on March 22, 2003
I think the lack of toilet paper, sunscreen, and chapstick is fair evidence that the troops are not being supported. WTF is up with that?
posted by five fresh fish at 3:23 PM on March 22, 2003
posted by five fresh fish at 3:23 PM on March 22, 2003
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