Comments on: The 50 Most Loathsome New Yorkers

The 50 Most Loathsome New Yorkers

ubueditor — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:33:07 -0800

New York Press' 50 Most Loathsome New Yorkers The plucky paper that refuses to die, New York Press has been infuriating New Yorkers for fifteen years. Now it has started this nasty annual feature. Among the winners are Naomi Campbell, Jonathan Franzen, Jeff Koons, Sam Waksal, etc. Read 'em and weep. Ouch!

By: the fire you left me

the fire you left me — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:58:36 -0800

I guess Lizzie "cocaine SUV mayhem / perforated septum" Grubman was too obvious a choice. Although cocaine itself seems to have made the list.

By: hairyeyeball

hairyeyeball — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:05:51 -0800

That "plucky paper" is a fifty-percent unendurable neocon rag, with fifteen more percent in tranny personals and another fifteen in stupid music reviews written by interns [exception: Jim Knipfel]. What's weird is that the alt.cartoons they run are completely counter to their overall editorial drift. This is the kind of juvenile shit they are wont to purvey. Hey, what the hell, it's free!

If only al Qaeda could be conned into a prisoner exchange: We get the retarded adopted son of bin Laden's plumber's apprentice, they get Jonathan Franzen.

Oh, how clever. Sure, Franzen deserves a good roast by virtue of being the darling of the moldering book world [I liked Kavalier and Clay OK, though]. But this is nothing but a cheap weenie roast: the meat winds up underdone. I could get brainworms. And Michael Moore:

Slagging on this pandering blowhard is nothing new—especially not in these pages—but he makes it so easy.

Exactly my point. Too easy. Mugger must have run 50,000 words short at the last minute. Exception to the foregoing: the Yoko item, except for that bit about "giving nuclear war a chance." I guess I'm humorless about things like that. And at least Kissinger makes the list.

By: Postroad

Postroad — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:07:09 -0800

I would have placed the editor of that paper--an extroadinarily right-wing loudmouth among the first three entries. He gives Conservative a bad name.

By: Ryvar

Ryvar — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:10:13 -0800

As long as Coultier and Kissinger are on the list, I have no problem with Rall and Moore making it as well. That's certainly a fair exchange.

By: quonsar

quonsar — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:10:35 -0800

what? no evanizer?

By: languagehat

languagehat — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:16:50 -0800

Lots of funny stuff, lots of well-directed nastiness, some duds (but not as many as you expect in this kind of list), some surprising omissions (like, as the fire says, Lizzie G.—and where's my former landlord, dammit?). Here's my favorite overall, well done (I love "the real pain was on the other side of the machine gun") and nicely summing up America's relation to Vietnam: 17 Bob Kerrey, President, New School When the bug-eyed former senator and current New School prez got word that the New York Times was about to publish an article asserting his involvement in a massacre of Vietnamese civilians in 1969, he came forward a few days ahead of time to give his own version of the story—and was immediately applauded for his courage in facing up to his "painful" past despite the fact that 1) he'd sat on the story for 32 years and 2) the real pain was on the other side of the machine gun. Kerrey is the face of that bloated, self-centered, delusional America that somehow still manages to see itself as the victim in Vietnam—as though its pseudo-literary "loss of innocence" and, in this case, ruined political prospects, somehow compare to two million actual dead people and a mine-strewn countryside of ravaged moonscapes. Oh, and I agree with Postroad: Russ Smith would have fit very well on the list.

By: the fire you left me

the fire you left me — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:27:20 -0800

When the bug-eyed former senator and current New School prez got word that the New York Times was about to publish an article asserting his involvement in a massacre of Vietnamese civilians in 1969, he came forward a few days ahead of time to give his own version of the story—and was immediately applauded for his courage in facing up to his "painful" past A similar story arc can be found in the popular and recommended Amsterdam, by Ian McEwan.

By: hama7

hama7 — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:37:40 -0800

Great list. It could have easily been lengthened to at least 100. I mean really.

By: XQUZYPHYR

XQUZYPHYR — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:59:18 -0800

Of course. Ted Rall is the second most loathsome person in New York city because, of course, everyone knows who he is, and not because he's affiliated with the Press' print rival. I understand that knocking Moore is a trend, but Rall's on the list because he's in a feud with members of the Press' fucking graphics department, for godssakes.

By: MrBaliHai

MrBaliHai — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:04:46 -0800

Delightfully snotty. I was most gratified to see overrated hacks like Jeff Koons, Patti Smith, and Annie Liebovitz get skewered. Rall's on the list because he's in a feud with members of the Press' fucking graphics department, for godssakes And here I thought it was because he's an insufferably self-righteous, largely talentless and boring ideologue. Gosh, my bad.

By: XQUZYPHYR

XQUZYPHYR — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:22:47 -0800

I find it hard to believe the majority of those who think that about Rall would think that less of Michael Moore, Bali. Anyone who lives in New York and reads both the Voice and the Press would know that the Press has a special place for Rall and his affiliation as both a cartoonist and writer for the Voice. Saturated in the media pool as he is, the idea that Ted Rall has more name recognition and or presence of opinion in public dialogue than Michael Moore, the crown prince of the NeoCon whipping targets, is proof that the writers of this article made the list a personal hit. In other words, a peice as petty and self-centered as "The 50 Most Loathesome New Yorkers" actually compounded on its pettyness by using part of the article to, essentially, make a catty swipe at a cartoonist they don't like. Personally, I'm glad to see Ted on TV and in interviews, because frankly that means the media wants to talk to cartoonists and listen to their opinions. Personally, I like Rall as a writer, a fellow cartoonist, and as a general human being during the multiple times I've talked to him, but hey, what do I know. After all, when you want the moral clarity of common decency and civility as a judge of human character in New York, by god you just turn to the New York Press, don't you.

By: thomas j wise

thomas j wise — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:35:33 -0800

I liked Kavalier and Clay OK, though That's Michael Chabon, not Jonathan Franzen. So perhaps Franzen has no redeeming virtues after all? :)

By: blue

blue — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:42:13 -0800

Fun. Makes me miss Spy magazine though. And isn't it time to retire 'douchebag' as an insult? Has anyone actually seen a douchebag?

By: MrBaliHai

MrBaliHai — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:53:45 -0800

Personally, I like Rall I'm not surprised.

By: ParisParamus

ParisParamus — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 20:06:19 -0800

Although it's not a person, as is not cocaine, I would like to nominate New York Magazine to that list.

By: XQUZYPHYR

XQUZYPHYR — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 20:08:06 -0800

And isn't it time to retire 'douchebag' as an insult? Has anyone actually seen a douchebag? Yes. Look right below your comment. Hey, that was an unnecessary comment too! Hooray!

By: ubueditor

ubueditor — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 20:19:04 -0800

I would have placed the editor of that paper--an extroadinarily right-wing loudmouth among the first three entries. He gives Conservative a bad name. This is incorrect. The person to whom you are referring, Russ Smith a.k.a Mugger, was never the editor of New York Press, he was the Publisher. The paper was recently sold. Until then, the wonderful John Strausbaugh (author of Rock 'Til You Drop) was editor. He was replaced by Jeff Koyen who, years ago, ran the legendary zine Crank.

By: banished

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By: timb

timb — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:32:24 -0800

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By: vito90

vito90 — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:33:38 -0800

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By: Vidiot

Vidiot — Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:53:11 -0800

what? I didn't make the list AGAIN? I guess because I haven't lived here a full year yet, I can't be classified as a New Yorker?

By: adamgreenfield

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By: riviera

riviera — Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:38:01 -0800

I would like to nominate New York Magazine to that list. That reminds me. Who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to send Michael Wolff to the Gulf? His attack on Al-Jazeera at the Tommy Franks briefing was cringeworthy sycophancy of the highest order.