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kichi kichi!

adamgreenfield — Thu, 03 Apr 2003 19:44:04 -0800

Japanese Sound Effects and what they mean. Spotted on Gen Kanai's blog: this rather comprehensive list of sound-effect words from manga - the Japanese equivalent of BAM! WAP!, OOF! (and possibly even D'OH!), but covering a wider range of social and emotional terrain. Lest you surmise that these are more or less arbitrary, I "tested" ten or so on my fiancee and found that she knew every single one. Aaaa!

By: MiguelCardoso

MiguelCardoso — Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:00:44 -0800

piri piri = sharp sensation, as of pain, electricity, spiciness. Can be the sharpness or electricity of a glare. Hmm...I wonder where that came from. Great fun - and a lot of semantic onamatopeic pondering to be had. Thanks, Greenfield!

By: bobo123

bobo123 — Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:05:19 -0800

Yeah I like the trend lately of translated manga leaving the sound effects "as is"... especially the Tokyo Pop volumes. I recall seeing the sound of duct tape being pulled described somewhere but it's not on the list.

By: chrismear

chrismear — Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:20:32 -0800

An excellent resource! I find these words one of the most interesting aspects of the Japanese language, and of manga in particular. My own theory is that since Japanese has a purely phonetic writing system at its disposal, these onamatopoeic words are more numerous and varied, and feel less unnatural than in a language like English, that just has an alphabet. In English, the pronounciation of a letter varies depending on the word it's in, so we tend to process whole words as a unit, and expect them to have a meaning, whereas in Japanese there are characters that represent just a sound, with no other meaning. The language lends itself to this kind of word, whereas in English we have ended up with a much more limited vocabulary, which still feels a bit strained/over-the-top ('oof', 'bam' all feel very Batman to me). bobo: When you say they leave them 'as is', what do you mean exactly? [I've been making some fan manga translations recently (with my very-amateur-Japanese), and I decided to just render them phonetically in English, and then provide a 'translation' in the margin where necessary.] What are the professionals doing these days?

By: adamgreenfield

adamgreenfield — Thu, 03 Apr 2003 20:47:39 -0800

'oof', 'bam' all feel very Batman to me Entirely intentional, I can assure you. Lime-green cut out letters & Adam West!

By: headspace

headspace — Thu, 03 Apr 2003 21:05:34 -0800

[this is good]

By: bobo123

bobo123 — Thu, 03 Apr 2003 23:03:41 -0800

What are the professionals doing these days? Well, Raijin Comics, Shonen Jump and Tokyo Pop just leave the katakana in there, and they don't flip the art left-right so it looks the same as the Japanese. They'll explain a few of the sound effects in the back but don't bother to give explanations for everything. I remember some publishers labouriously redrawing all the sound effects in the 'oof' 'bam' style (Ogre Slayer particularly) which I thought was a bit of a waste of effort when you can sort of guess what the sound is supposed to be like anyway. Fascinating, in that a lot of these sound effects aren't even really 'sounds', like コちょク (kochoku) for being paralyzed, or ギロ (piro) for staring.

By: vito90

vito90 — Fri, 04 Apr 2003 06:06:29 -0800

good link adam...I hear many of these sounds in my Japanese studies. One that seems to be missing from the list is "pome, pome" (deep bass drum sound) while gently patting one's tummy to indicate a full content belly. I'm going to print this off for my class!

By: languagehat

languagehat — Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:17:07 -0800

Since Gen is a MeFite, you might want to actually link to him: Gen Kanai weblog. And here's the actual entry:

Japanese sound effects Some of these I've known for a long time. Some of these I've never seen in manga. Ergo, must read more manga :) Japanese Sound effects and what they mean via languagehat's blog Posted by gen at March 26, 2003 06:21 PM

(And here's where he got it from.)

By: kindall

kindall — Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:24:52 -0800

A friend of mine who's much more into manga than I am told me once that there's a specific word for the sound of a bra being undone. Didn't see it on this list, though. %)

By: mumbletiger

mumbletiger — Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:28:19 -0800

Great link, thanks. Favorite attempt to capture the feeling of a manga sound effect in English to date: "roooar" This from Sarah Dyer's adaptation of Kodocha #1 (Tokyo Pop) where meek Tsuyoshi transforms into a comic berserker in response to classmates teasing him about his mom. One wonders if we're witnessing the genesis of a new vocabulary for effects in comics... wouldn't THAT be neat?

By: wrench

wrench — Fri, 04 Apr 2003 10:23:31 -0800

This thread is missing my favorite word. onomatopoeia. PACHI PACHI!

By: mkn

mkn — Fri, 04 Apr 2003 12:36:43 -0800

Similarly, does any one have a reference for various visual clues. Things like the very animeish giant-teardrop on the forehead, or various exclamations and facial expressions?