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	<title>Comments on: When you eat grapes, don&apos;t spit the grape skins out.</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:03:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>When you eat grapes, don&apos;t spit the grape skins out.</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25480/When-you-eat-grapes-dont-spit-the-grape-skins-out</link>	
		<description>The Ting Chinese English Center is a database of tools to learn Mandarin or English, and it&apos;s fun to boot.  Don&apos;t miss the &lt;a href=&quot;http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Chinese/topics/tongue/douying.html&quot;&gt;tongue twisters&lt;/a&gt;, and try to guess &lt;a href=&quot;http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Chinese/stories/xinxin/saving/colorc.html&quot;&gt;how to pronounce the color&lt;/a&gt; before clicking on the sound file.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:30:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hairyeyeball</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25480/When-you-eat-grapes-dont-spit-the-grape-skins-out#482540</link>	
		<description>Cool! Thanks! [Real intelligent comment, huh?].</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:03:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shepd</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25480/When-you-eat-grapes-dont-spit-the-grape-skins-out#482548</link>	
		<description>ecru... New colour to bug people with!  Sweet!</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:28:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: eddydamascene</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25480/When-you-eat-grapes-dont-spit-the-grape-skins-out#482553</link>	
		<description>? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?!</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:48:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: eddydamascene</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25480/When-you-eat-grapes-dont-spit-the-grape-skins-out#482558</link>	
		<description>um, that should be:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Chinese/Language/Sound7a/7959ljz.wav&quot; title=&quot;You&apos;re wrong.&quot;&gt;Ni3 cuo4 le&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Chinese/Language/Sound10b/10345dd.wav&quot; title=&quot;I don&apos;t believe it,&quot;&gt;Wo3 bu2 xin4&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://hua.umf.maine.edu/Chinese/Language/Sound7d/7959mz.wav&quot; title=&quot;You&apos;re wrong!&quot;&gt;Ni3 cuo4 le&lt;/a&gt;!</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:54:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Poagao</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25480/When-you-eat-grapes-dont-spit-the-grape-skins-out#482564</link>	
		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unforgettablelanguages.com/frames_a21.html&quot;&gt;link &lt;/a&gt;in the sidebar says the Mandarin word for fish is &quot;Yue&quot;. &quot;Fish is Yue. Yue. Yue. Yue. Yue.&quot; 


Good lord. Maybe it should be &quot;abominable Chinese in three hours&quot;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2003 01:11:27 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Poagao</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: syzygy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25480/When-you-eat-grapes-dont-spit-the-grape-skins-out#482590</link>	
		<description>Ni hao. Wo yao xue pudonghua. Xieh xieh (for the link).

Mandarin is a fascinating language. It is said that one must master only 500 words in Mandarin in order to be 80% fluent.

In Mandarin, verb conjugations are extremely simple - there are no separate forms for past tense, future tense, etc. Conjugation is achieved by adding a temporal modifier to the present tense version of verbs.

Then you have the tones... and the characters... coming in to make life difficult again...

A few more links from my collection (put it together after my trip to China and Mongolia last year):
http://www.chineselanguage.org/
http://zhongwen.com/
http://www.mandarintools.com/</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2003 04:58:24 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>syzygy</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: iconomy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25480/When-you-eat-grapes-dont-spit-the-grape-skins-out#482591</link>	
		<description>My state is pronounced &quot;busy funya&quot;. I totally agree. Great link, thanks frykitty - I&apos;m going to memorize all of the colors.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2003 05:07:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kevs</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25480/When-you-eat-grapes-dont-spit-the-grape-skins-out#482794</link>	
		<description>syzygy...I agree that Mandarin grammar is not too difficult, but I know far more than 500 words and I&apos;m nowhere near 80% fluent.

The problem with Mandarin, too, is that many Chinese outside of a few areas (NE Coast, Beijing) don&apos;t speak standard putonghua, so they&apos;re very difficult to understand.

Thanks for the links, I&apos;ll check them out.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2003 10:33:32 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kevs</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Poagao</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25480/When-you-eat-grapes-dont-spit-the-grape-skins-out#483165</link>	
		<description>When you have a Taiwanese accent like I do, though, some of the tongue twisters become quite easy to say because all the sh&apos;s become s&apos;s in &quot;Taiwan Guoyu&quot;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2003 18:50:11 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: casarkos</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25480/When-you-eat-grapes-dont-spit-the-grape-skins-out#483213</link>	
		<description>My mother teaches at a Chinese school in South Florida, where tongue twisters are the bane of every fifth-level student&apos;s existence.
Nice links, syzygy.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2003 20:34:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: linux</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25480/When-you-eat-grapes-dont-spit-the-grape-skins-out#483841</link>	
		<description>Fish is yu.  yu2 (rising tone)
Rain is yu. yu3 (down-up)
Jade is yu. yu4 (down!)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zhongwen.com/&quot;&gt;Zhongwen.com&lt;/a&gt; is much more useful once you understand the Pinyin system.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2003 16:09:43 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>linux</dc:creator>
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