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	<title>Comments on: The Moab Fusion</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2003 12:07:30 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>The Moab Fusion</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25863/The-Moab-Fusion</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/19/arts/19MIRA.html?ei=5058&amp;ex=1054008000?en=8ff0f8c19e90162a&amp;partner=IWON&amp;pagewanted=print&amp;position="&gt;A new fusion of cinema and cyberspace&lt;/a&gt; will be seen in Peter Greenaway&apos;s upcoming film &quot;The Moab Story&quot; (NYTimes article).  Unlike other Hollywood websites, the film&apos;s site will deepen the story beyond imagination.  Greenaway&apos;s &quot;megalomaniacal&quot; plan is to create &quot;The Tulse Luper Suitcases&quot; (&quot;The Moab Story&quot; is the first phase), which will &quot;eventually include three to five films, a 16-part television series, a touring theater production, several books, DVD&apos;s and Web sites and an online computer game.&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2003 11:57:18 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jacknose</dc:creator>		<category>moab</category>		<category>fusion</category>		<category>cinema</category>		<category>moabstory</category>		<category>amalgamation</category>		<category>gesamtkunstwerk</category>		<category>greenway</category>		<category>petergreenway</category>		<category>megalomania</category>		<category>megalomaniacal</category>
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		<title>By: Zurishaddai</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25863/The-Moab-Fusion#491958</link>	
		<description>Oh well, another &lt;a href=&quot;http://us.imdb.com/Title?0098428&quot; title=&quot;A TV Dante&quot;&gt;wank&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://us.imdb.com/Title?0102722&quot; title=&quot;Prospero&apos;s Books&quot;&gt;fest&lt;/a&gt; from Greenaway instead of one of his &lt;a href=&quot;http://us.imdb.com/Title?0092929&quot; title=&quot;Drowning By Numbers&quot;&gt;good&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://us.imdb.com/Title?0097108&quot; title=&quot;The Cook the Thief His Wife and Her Lover&quot;&gt;films&lt;/a&gt;...</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2003 12:07:30 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hattifattener</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25863/The-Moab-Fusion#491969</link>	
		<description>Or to put it another way, Peter Greenaway discovers the allure of marketing tie-ins. I&apos;m surprised Happy Meals aren&apos;t on the list. Sorry, I can&apos;t take seriously a FPP containing the phrase &quot;deepen the story beyond imagination&quot;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2003 12:24:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: FormlessOne</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25863/The-Moab-Fusion#491998</link>	
		<description>Oh, goody!  The director will deign to communicate with his worshipful fans!  And, he&apos;ll sell us stuff too!

I don&apos;t know what it is, I just know it isn&apos;t Scottish.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2003 13:04:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: drinkcoffee</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25863/The-Moab-Fusion#492007</link>	
		<description>Peter Greenway is the Joe Jackson of cinema.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2003 13:27:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: quonsar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25863/The-Moab-Fusion#492009</link>	
		<description>one cannot fuse cinema and cyberspace, because there is no such thing as cyberspace.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2003 13:31:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: misteraitch</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25863/The-Moab-Fusion#492010</link>	
		<description>Some related links &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/21742&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;...</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2003 13:37:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jacknose</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25863/The-Moab-Fusion#492024</link>	
		<description>misteraitch, thanks.  a reverberating double-post, my bad. 

hattifattener, think about the phrase &quot;deepen the story beyond imagination.&quot;  Hmmm, am I being literal, figurative, facetious, or serious?  (What good is fiction if there is nothing left for the imagination?)</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2003 13:56:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dydecker</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25863/The-Moab-Fusion#492038</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;As his disillusionment with film grew in the 1990&apos;s, he said, it occurred to him &quot;that maybe cinema was not the ideal medium for me to express my fascinations.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Well stop making them, you tired, joyless snob.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2003 14:33:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25863/The-Moab-Fusion#492078</link>	
		<description>Jesus, what the hell&apos;s wrong with Greenaway?  I&apos;ll take Greenaway&apos;s audacity, immaculate visuals and experimentalism over derivative junk like &lt;i&gt;The Matrix Reloaded&lt;/i&gt; any day.  

I suppose you folks should knock that Stephenson punk for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baroquecycle.com/flash.htm&quot;&gt;doing something similarly elaborate&lt;/a&gt;.  And that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.davidlynch.com&quot;&gt;Lynch&lt;/a&gt; guy should be hanged for selling his work online.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2003 15:52:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Grangousier</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25863/The-Moab-Fusion#492087</link>	
		<description>Some of the sites have been up for a while, but not really developed (perhaps they will soon). I&apos;m glad to see a return to Tulse Luper, who featured in some of my favourite Greenaway films (the early funny ones - &lt;i&gt;A Walk Through H&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Vertical Features Remake&lt;/i&gt; and particularly &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.btinternet.com/~paul.melia/whatfall.html&quot;&gt;The Falls&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;. Generally I&apos;ve lost interest in a lot of Greenaway&apos;s stuff in the last decade or so, but &lt;i&gt;The Draughtsman&apos;s Contract&lt;/i&gt; is one of my favourite films (well over a hundred viewings). 

A lot of his films have a lot of background - there was a companion (unmade, but precised in a book) to &lt;i&gt;Drowning by Numbers&lt;/i&gt; for example, called &lt;i&gt;Fear of Drowning&lt;/i&gt;, about the early years of Cissie Colpitts.

What I really want is a remastered &lt;i&gt;Falls&lt;/i&gt; and the original four-hour cut of &lt;i&gt;Draughtsman&lt;/i&gt; and possibly a pony, although a Greenaway pony would be sprawled dead on a table, surrounded by rotting fruit. Hopefully this will be fun. 

Greenaway&apos;s supposed to be fun. Not many people realise that. Possibly not Greenaway himself.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2003 16:04:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: drinkcoffee</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25863/The-Moab-Fusion#492143</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Drowning by Numbers&lt;/i&gt; was fun.  Good film for a late-night drunken gathering of friends.  I meant the Joe Jackson comparison in a good way.  I keep meaning to see &lt;i&gt;The Draughtsman&apos;s Contract&lt;/i&gt; ever since it showed up in a deck of cards I own called &lt;i&gt;52 Great Films You&apos;ve Never Seen&lt;/i&gt; (or something like that; I&apos;ve since lost it).</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2003 17:52:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: solistrato</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25863/The-Moab-Fusion#492157</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Oh well, another wankfest from Greenaway instead of one of his good films...&lt;/i&gt;

Greenaway has good films?

&lt;i&gt;And that Lynch guy should be hanged for selling his work online.&lt;/i&gt;

Nah.  There are plenty of other reasons to hang Lynch.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2003 18:34:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: juv3nal</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/25863/The-Moab-Fusion#492754</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Jesus, what the hell&apos;s wrong with Greenaway? I&apos;ll take Greenaway&apos;s audacity, immaculate visuals and experimentalism over derivative junk like The Matrix Reloaded any day.&lt;/em&gt;

word.
you can&apos;t make anything significant without some measure of pretentiousness and arrogance.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2003 15:58:15 -0800</pubDate>
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