Comments on: Underdogs And Outsiders

Underdogs And Outsiders

MiguelCardoso — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:23:53 -0800

Long Live The Underdog! One of the few things my father taught me - and followed to his dying day - was to "always support the underdogs. They may not be right, but they have the same right to be wrong as we do." Or more, as John Stuart Mill would argue and a certain Walthamstow group of anarchists would agree. Underdog Online - the outsider's in site - celebrates the underdog and the outsider in a healthily frivolous and assertive way - from gay men and the Internet and The Smiths's cover art to the suggestion of a beer dinner for June 21 and a quirky report on how lawyers experience murder trials. Long live the underdog, indeed!

By: madamjujujive

madamjujujive — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:20:12 -0800

The beer dinner looks great - yum! Beer soup! Beer battered veggies! Even this - Yoghurt ice cream with warm cherry beer sauce - dessert - sounds worth a try. You find cool things Miguel! Thanks.

By: Faze

Faze — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:52:53 -0800

Outsiders? The Underdog Online home page approvingly quotes Gore Vidal saying ''for the average American, freedom of speech is simply the freedom to repeat what everyone else is saying and no more.'' But all the site seems to contain is the same things everybody else is talking about: The Matrix, horoscopes, Metallica, beer, alternative sexuality... This is mainstream outsiderdom, and more or less a marketing strategy. Anarchy, mohawks, dark glasses... these are sad, shopworn symbols of outsiderness as a marketing strategy. There are real outsiders and real underdogs out there. But you probably will not encounter these people unless you work in one of the mental health professions.

By: MiguelCardoso

MiguelCardoso — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:01:36 -0800

Fair enough, Faze. I did try to find things to disagree with you, but your emphatic example put paid to all that. What I really meant, I guess, is: "look at this interesting website, full of interesting articles". Shoot/sue me?

By: soyjoy

soyjoy — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 09:29:14 -0800

Miguel, I agree completely. Long live the underdog!

By: matteo

matteo — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:12:16 -0800

Shoot/sue me? good idea, but it's not like we haven't tried that already. problem is, executions are against Matt's guidelines, and US/Portugal civil cases are a jurisdictional nightmare

By: mr_crash_davis

mr_crash_davis — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:16:43 -0800

Yes, yes. Long live Underdog!

By: Faze

Faze — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:23:32 -0800

Shoot/sue me? Jeepers, Miguel, I wasn't criticizing you, just the mundane pretensions of that site.

By: wendell

wendell — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:24:50 -0800

I always preferred Tennessee Tuxedo to Underdog, but I've been rather obsessed with cartoon penguins lately (that's what all the search engines tell me). And I always had a vague picture of mr_crash_davis wearing an ill-fitting superhero suit, but now that impression is positively confirmed (another danger of in-line images). Shoot/sue me? Miguel, remember the motto of The Underdog: "You should know that you just can't win."

By: davidmsc

davidmsc — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:41:01 -0800

Darn it, Mr Crash Davis, you beat me to it! Great cartoon from "back in the day!"

By: goddam

goddam — Thu, 19 Jun 2003 17:14:19 -0800

underdog lady