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	<title>Comments on: Mammy: Dirty Hands... Dirty Face!</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2003 05:25:26 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Mammy: Dirty Hands... Dirty Face!</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/26717/Mammy-Dirty-Hands-Dirty-Face</link>	
		<description>Ballpoint pen from Trinidad: US$8,500. Rocket launcher to Israel: US$52. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,987570,00.html&quot;&gt;How multinational companies use absurd prices to dodge taxation, worldwide.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2003 05:19:52 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Pretty_Generic</dc:creator>		<category>Guardian</category>		<category>multinational</category>		<category>globalisation</category>		<category>globalization</category>		<category>tax</category>		<category>Israel</category>
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		<title>By: meanie</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/26717/Mammy-Dirty-Hands-Dirty-Face#511511</link>	
		<description>My Introduction to Financial Accounting course (core course for all Business majors at my university) taught us to do exactly this.  It&apos;s common practice, and from a corporate standpoint, good business.</description>
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		<title>By: cohappy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/26717/Mammy-Dirty-Hands-Dirty-Face#511527</link>	
		<description>wow.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:04:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: elpapacito</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/26717/Mammy-Dirty-Hands-Dirty-Face#511530</link>	
		<description>More details and a Moron&apos;s guide to transfer pricing 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.solbaram.org/articles/clm503.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;

Socialize costs, privatize profits.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:10:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cerebus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/26717/Mammy-Dirty-Hands-Dirty-Face#511540</link>	
		<description>And people wonder why I&apos;m anti-corporate.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:29:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: graventy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/26717/Mammy-Dirty-Hands-Dirty-Face#511544</link>	
		<description>Accounting is stupid.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:39:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Slithy_Tove</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/26717/Mammy-Dirty-Hands-Dirty-Face#511561</link>	
		<description>Markets treat taxation as damage, and route around it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2003 06:56:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: backOfYourMind</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/26717/Mammy-Dirty-Hands-Dirty-Face#511597</link>	
		<description>From elpapacito&apos;s link (my emphasis in all cases)- &lt;small&gt;&lt;em&gt;So by increasing the purely arbitrary transfer price we doubled our after-tax profit, increasing it by 100%. 
&lt;strong&gt;This was done without any change to our procedures, operations or added value, was done by merely changing book entries&lt;/strong&gt;. 
So where do these additional profits come from? 
They arise from tax avoidance. In other words it is possible for a multinational company to minimise its liability for corporation tax by transfer pricing. 
This is legal until governments legislate to prevent this practice. 
But note that in the cases we discussed, the tax paid to the host-country government increased, while the tax paid to the home-country government decreased, case by case. &lt;strong&gt;In other words, one government&apos;s loss is the other government&apos;s gain. 
So one government can be expected to want to legislate against unfair transfer pricing practices, while the other government can be expected to object to, and to resist, such legislation.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/small&gt;

So, (and keen observers of my work will notice that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/21577#386730&quot;&gt;I&apos;ve made a similar argument before&lt;/a&gt;), every nation in the world is eventually drawn into a taxation limbo dance.  

I am a firm believer in the notion that there is no civilization without taxation, so this is exactly the kind of thing that gives me a bit of shit on the liver. 

I am also well aware that shareholders profit from this practice etc. However - what pains me is that corporations (and individuals for that matter) behave as if they had developed and prospered in a vacuum. They feel no obligation to help sustain the social stability and prosperity from which they benefit, despite the fact that their success is in large part attributable to those same social circumstances. 

If someone can explain how this is a tenable attitude in the long-term (even from a purely business perspective), I&apos;m all ears.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2003 07:51:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cerebus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/26717/Mammy-Dirty-Hands-Dirty-Face#511614</link>	
		<description>Unfettered Capitalism Soils Own Nest:  Film at 11.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2003 08:12:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Vidiot</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/26717/Mammy-Dirty-Hands-Dirty-Face#511664</link>	
		<description>Actually, Cerebus, that film won&apos;t be airing anytime soon.  First it got rejected from Big Corporate Media-owned stations, then PBS funding got cut.  So unless you happened to go to school with the filmmaker, you&apos;re out of luck.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:15:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cerebus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/26717/Mammy-Dirty-Hands-Dirty-Face#511680</link>	
		<description>I am aware of the irony(ies) in the statement.  8)</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:40:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: five fresh fish</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/26717/Mammy-Dirty-Hands-Dirty-Face#511700</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;this is exactly the kind of thing that gives me a bit of shit on the liver&lt;/i&gt;

What does that phrase mean?  I completely don&apos;t understand it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:06:49 -0800</pubDate>
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