Comments on: Universal Surveillance, Inc.

Universal Surveillance, Inc.

Irontom — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 07:35:39 -0800

RFID tagging and tracking plans (mirror 1, mirror 2) With the tag line "Identify Any Object Anywhere Automatically", this group (the MIT Auto-ID Center) is leading the way into our bold new future of total tracking. {Originally uncovered by CASPIAN (Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering)}

By: Irontom

Irontom — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 07:40:28 -0800

Here's another article / blog entry on the subject.

By: the fire you left me

the fire you left me — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 07:48:58 -0800

In 5 years RFID is likely to completely supplant bar codes in major retailers.

By: the fire you left me

the fire you left me — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 07:51:33 -0800

Interesting case study with Prada.

By: eustacescrubb

eustacescrubb — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 07:53:06 -0800

We should start figuring out how to disbale these things, how to remove them or break them or turn them off, or better yet, how to hijack their signals and send false information.

By: chrisroberts

chrisroberts — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:09:15 -0800

here is a good thread about disabling these tags. Please read through them for the explanation on things with metal.

By: F Mackenzie

F Mackenzie — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:16:15 -0800

I would hope retailers would disable the tags at the checkout. Philips has introduced a tag with a kill command. Still, that doesn't stop retailers from tracking your movement through their store.

By: NortonDC

NortonDC — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:42:54 -0800

I liked the idea of allowing manufacturers to use all the RFID tags they want, but legally mandating that they be on a paper tag or something else that is labelled and trivially removable by the consumer. It seems like a good compromise that allows the commercial sector to use the tags for shipping control, etc. while preserving the ability of consumers to maintain privacy. PS- I submitted what may have been the first Slashdot post on consumer RFID tags back in February 2001. 2 and a half years later, and people are still oblivious. PPS- The link used for the Slashdot post is dead, and it has been removed from the Wayback Machine ("blocked site"), but the text of the article is still rattling around on good ol' Usenet.

By: quonsar

quonsar — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:50:28 -0800

i see tiny RFID jammers over the horizon. it's not too difficult. remember kiddies: "wireless" is the same as "radio" and radio had been around for a long long time. we know how to deal with radio.

By: adamgreenfield

adamgreenfield — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 09:15:03 -0800

The real issue with RFID isn't so much the potential for panoptical surveillance - as worrisome as that is - as much as the spoor of heavy metals (lead, cadmium, mercury) each contains. Consider that these things will be imprinted in *everything*, and that the trace amounts we're talking about are damnably hard to recover, and I call that a prescription for major landfill seepage and leaching into groundwater in about 25 years' time.

By: NortonDC

NortonDC — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 09:43:01 -0800

the spoor of heavy metals (lead, cadmium, mercury) each contains Says who? Those metals are usually associated with batteries, and RFID tags don't have any batteries. They are powered by the externally induced RF field. They carry no power source of their own, including batteries where one might expect to find such metals.

By: Orb

Orb — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 10:23:44 -0800

RFID tags don't have any batteries That depends on whether they are active or passive tags. Active tags do have batteries (and new thinner ones are currently being developed). Here's a story at the RFID Journal about these reports being made public. Caspian's excuse is that the ease with which it obtained the material shows the center can't be trusted with sensitive information. The real conclusion one should draw is that the center is not the Machiavellian organization Caspian makes it out to be. If it were, it would spend a lot more on security. What security? They openly admit that all this guy did was type "confidential" into their search engine and look at the results. Seems like no security at all. Of course, now they are saying that these documents were already public, or would be public soon. Sure they were. :D

By: infowar

infowar — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 10:48:27 -0800

If these tags were on paper or otherwise easily removable, they wouldn't provide much of a theft-prevention deterrent, now would they? IIRC Benetton used these, said they deactivated them upon leaving the store, but didn't. Given that I am now filling opt-out privacy notices quarterly (despite requesting permanent removal less than 6 months ago) and given business' quest to wring the last bit of profit out of any system, I think I'll be suspicious of any company that claims my privacy is safe with these things. I also read a few of the docs from the site and I shall remain suspicious of RFID use until there is a law saying they will be deactivated upon purchase of an item. Wouldn't surprise me if DMCA is trotted out when people use jamming devices on these things.

By: weston

weston — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 11:35:11 -0800

What security? They openly admit that all this guy did was type "confidential" into their search engine and look at the results. Seems like no security at all. Of course, now they are saying that these documents were already public, or would be public soon. Sure they were. They can do this for the reason that the censors can let Animal Farm be performed at a theater in Beijing. Such a small percentage of the population realizes what is going on and sees the implications, that it doesn't matter.

By: trondant

trondant — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 11:54:34 -0800

i see tiny RFID jammers over the horizon Two years from now I see trondant in the parking lot of his local Wal-mart with an illegally-boosted transmitter in the trunk of his car. One flick of the switch and *poof*! Wal-mart will have to do inventory and ringing up purchases by hand - no more barcodes, see? When they restock, lather, rinse, repeat. I can't wait.

By: George_Spiggott

George_Spiggott — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:22:35 -0800

I'd go the other way: start mass-producing misleading tags and distributing them by the million. I personally would like to attach a tag to my key ring that indicates to anyone with the means to scan me that I'm carrying an M1 Abrams tank.

By: NortonDC

NortonDC — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 14:21:39 -0800

Or you're just happy to see them.

By: kliuless

kliuless — Tue, 08 Jul 2003 17:35:49 -0800

people are still oblivious RFID's made it to businessweek, so it must be a big :D now. thank wal-mart!

By: alumshubby

alumshubby — Wed, 09 Jul 2003 04:39:09 -0800

trondant, I hope that car's an early 1970's Buick or something -- couldn't it scramble the electronic ignition otherwise?