Comments on: The Johnstown Flood

The Johnstown Flood

weston — Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:10:50 -0800

Night of the Johnstown Flood. "There was no larger news story in the latter nineteenth century after the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. The story of the Johnstown Flood has everything to interest the modern mind: a wealthy resort, an intense storm, an unfortunate failure of a dam, the destruction of a working class city, and an inspiring relief effort." Curious about about a line in this song, I went looking for information and found this story and this monument and the wonder/horror of this playground, where a giant force played with masses of iron, weighing scores of tons each, as a child might play with pebbles.

By: weston

weston — Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:12:04 -0800

One thing I didn't find was the song referred to in Springstein's Highway Patrolman. Anyone have a lead on it?

By: transient

transient — Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:29:19 -0800

On the song: this seems to be as close as they got on mudcat. I seem to remember a John Lee Hooker song about the flood as well, though... anyone know what I'm talking about, or did I make that up?

By: Katemonkey

Katemonkey — Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:33:20 -0800

And it was the basis for a bad teen romance novel that I was hopelessly addicted to when I was around 12...

By: monju_bosatsu

monju_bosatsu — Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:59:48 -0800

The Johnstown Flood National Memorial; The Johnstown Flood Museum; Lost in the Flood, by Charlie Eastman, 1884.

By: arco

arco — Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:18:02 -0800

it was the basis for a bad teen romance novel that I was hopelessly addicted to when I was around 12... ...and a terrific book by David McCullough, which I HIGHLY recommend. This event was also one of the first great tests for the American Red Cross. And has anyone heard anything about this?

By: drezdn

drezdn — Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:50:31 -0800

I got this Jorie from SST couldn't help us with our search for the song "Night of the Johnstown Flood," but she points us to "The Wave That Carried Off a Town", a recent classical composition commemorating the same event. -12.19.01.kg

By: drezdn

drezdn — Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:52:30 -0800

My guess for the Springsteen lyric is that it might have been a song played by some small time band, like a bar band. Or else, possibly Springsteen just made it up?

By: quonsar

quonsar — Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:54:17 -0800

history of the johnstown flood by willis fletcher johnson, published in 1889 is a fascinating recounting in the language of the day, which also provides unintended comedic benefit in the form of utterances like "Colonel Roberts was one of the most famous engineers in the country. He died several years ago in chili." highly recommended.

By: drezdn

drezdn — Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:02:26 -0800

More questions on that song lyric... I guess no one can actually prove it existed.

By: weston

weston — Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:17:19 -0800

Apparently some people were pretty wrapped up in the matter and discussion could get somewhat heated . Sortof comforting to see that MeFi hath no snark above USENET.

By: weston

weston — Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:31:47 -0800

And great links everybody... the thread has more information than my post!

By: jokeefe

jokeefe — Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:52:31 -0800

Fabulous--thanks everyone. *faith in metafilter restored once again*

By: billsaysthis

billsaysthis — Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:03:49 -0800

Was Bruce referring to the same flood on his first album? Don't think so, LOL. And jokeefe, Springsteen is always good for when your down!

By: whirlwind29

whirlwind29 — Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:02:12 -0800

You might also want to see this video if you can find it. It was directed by Charles Guggenheim and won and oscar for best short film in 1989. Then there is this book written by PBS's David McCullough. I also understand there there is a new DVD about the flood coming out in August and will be narrated by Richard Dreyfuss.

By: The Michael The

The Michael The — Tue, 15 Jul 2003 20:17:41 -0800

According to family stories, way back in my direct lineage, my great- or great-great-grandfather was a big shot in Johnstown, owning a department store, and possibly a lot more (hotels, bars, etc... hard details have been lost to time). He didn't believe in insurance, and lo and behold, everything was lost in the flood and the family was reduced to nothing. Way to go, Pops. Also, just to throw in my $.02, I would posit that the Johnny Cash cover of Highway Patrolman (available on the Murder album) is the definitive version. Nothing like the Man in Black to make a classic even better...

By: skyscraper

skyscraper — Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:24:03 -0800

Slightly off topic - Johnstown Flood (1889): 2,209 deaths Huang He River (China) Flood (1931): 3,700,000 deaths [sound of my mind boggling]

By: gottabefunky

gottabefunky — Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:05:58 -0800

How could one flood kill 3.7 million people?

By: Asparagirl

Asparagirl — Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:11:51 -0800

Katemonkey: thank you! I first learned of the Johnstown flood from that book and while reading this thread, I vaguely remembered some sort of teen angstfest book, but forgot the title. Thanks for the link and the sudden flashback to reading that book (and other trashy ones in its series) as a kid.

By: Asparagirl

Asparagirl — Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:17:26 -0800

And Katemonkey, one more thing, now that I checked out your website- considering we both apparently devoured those pulp novels as kids, is it any wonder we both apparently became big fanfic fans as adults? :-)

By: junkbox

junkbox — Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:34:03 -0800

At age 16 my family drove thru 3 states to visit Johnstown and learn about the flood. Most. Depressing. Vacation. Ever. To really grasp it, you've got to see the photos. (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) And some fun flood facts.

By: quonsar

quonsar — Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:57:38 -0800

"'Buffy creator sinks his teeth into a new season of 'Angel'" so, buffy caused the flood?

By: ringmaster

ringmaster — Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:05:40 -0800

I went to school in Johnstown (Pitt branch campus), and lived there for a year until my now wife graduated. I've had several occasions to go to the site where the dam used to stand and look around with visitors/friends, who all ask, "Where was all the water?" It's not until you look around and realize that you're standing in a valley, and that you can still see the faint remnants of a waterline in the plant life that you really gauge the ungodly amount of water that came pouring through that dam. My wife's parents live in the flood zone. Every few years, things get really wet down there in spite of all the dykes. (How often do you get to say that in seriousness?)

By: Oxydude

Oxydude — Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:55:53 -0800

Speaking of Springsteen and Johnstown, don't forget this one