Caught with her pants down
July 17, 2003 10:49 PM   Subscribe

Tucker Max produces evidence of encounters with Miss Vermont. Remember Tucker Max? Found earlier in this MeFi thread, Max was sued by Miss Vermont Katy Johnson for allegedly lying that he slept with her (she's a champion for abstinence) and then writing the gory details of her getting sozzled at a wedding. A judge forbade him from writing about her or linking to her. But now Tucker posts pictures and a video to back up his story. Will he now counter-sue? (Oh, and please think twice before clicking the Katy Johnson link. I beg you.)
posted by madman (39 comments total)

 
The world needs more men like Tucker Max. Honest, reliable........ wait. The man's scum. So what if she's also scum?
posted by graventy at 11:15 PM on July 17, 2003


He maybe kind of a piece of dung, but he at least can back up his shit. I'm all for exposing people who put themselves forth as moral citizens when they themselves are worse than those they might condemn.
posted by angry modem at 11:22 PM on July 17, 2003


I'm only starting on these links but they look like a promising way to get through a day of "work" tomorrow. Thanks madman!
posted by vito90 at 11:26 PM on July 17, 2003


Silly fuckers.
posted by vbfg at 11:58 PM on July 17, 2003


I'm all for exposing people who put themselves forth as moral citizens when they themselves are worse than those they might condemn.

So him slapping her on the ass and saying "man talk" means he slept with her?

If there was any justice in this world, the frozen discharge from overflying jets would kill more discriminantly.
posted by The God Complex at 12:28 AM on July 18, 2003 [1 favorite]


How is this proof? The picture and video are completely innocuous.
posted by velacroix at 12:34 AM on July 18, 2003


Just relax... he has a trump card. As soon as he plays it, we can all watch the bitch burn while we share a high-five and a Genuine Draft.
posted by Witty at 12:42 AM on July 18, 2003


Yeah, I don't know if this "evidence" proves anything aside from him being a asshole.

Wake me when he's got something truly credible.
posted by mathowie at 12:49 AM on July 18, 2003


Yes, he's an asshole, but what the court did in this case is just outrageous, even if he was lying. Like the saying goes, the battle for the first amendment is always fought in the gutter.
posted by Zonker at 12:58 AM on July 18, 2003


The world needs more men like Tucker Max. Honest, reliable........ wait. The man's scum. So what if she's also scum?


Hrm, how exactly is she scum? Based on reading only TM's story I honestly feel really, really bad for her. Her only flaw is her incredible stupidity. And while normally I would hate an idiot, being stupid is okay if you're a beautiful girl. Duh.



Should she have sued? I don't know, I can certainly understand her desire to do it...
posted by delmoi at 1:02 AM on July 18, 2003


what the court did in this case is just outrageous, even if he was lying

Reading through the previous thread (I missed it the first time), it does sound like the court really overstepped its bounds. It sounds like the ruling was made against him regardless of whether or not it was true.
posted by mathowie at 1:13 AM on July 18, 2003


Reading through the previous thread (I missed it the first time), it does sound like the court really overstepped its bounds. It sounds like the ruling was made against him regardless of whether or not it was true.

Not that it makes his evidence, which is the centerpiece on the mantle that is this thread, any more credible.

It seems to me that the entire crux of this issues lie with whether or not she actually slept with him, and whether or not his claims are true--and his evidence surely isn't good enough to support that it is, at least in my mind. Having a small grain of truth in a story doesn't make the entire story true (imagine: see, here's a picture of me in a yellow shirt, so obviously my story about wearing a yellow shirt and sexing up [insert name of public individual here] are true!).

In my mind, the fact that she's Miss Vermont puts her on a public level, and if his story is not true, then it's somewhat akin to the lawsuit Tom Cruise filed against the magazine purporting he had a gay affair.

Then again, maybe he's telling the truth and should be free to continue posting his trash until someone sees fit to punch him about his person.
posted by The God Complex at 1:57 AM on July 18, 2003


are = is

/anal retentive, post-commenting corrections
posted by The God Complex at 1:58 AM on July 18, 2003


The God Complex: No one is denying that she slept with him. In fact, if you read the court documents carefully, no one is even denying that she tends toward drunk and promiscuous and maybe a little bit dim. It's pretty clear that the First Amendment does not give one the right to libel; it's also pretty clear that the First Amendment does give one the right to disseminate unfortunate truths about people.

Mr. Max has laid out a fairly detailed and also pretty easily verifiable or disprovable tale. Speeding tickets, doctor's visits, parties with many (deposable) people present. If he's lying in part or in whole, it should come out pretty damn quickly. He admitted that he originally posted the story with the intent to defame - he even expressed his intent to defame before getting into the story.

If she thought he was lying, don't you think that Ms. Johnson's lawyers would have advised her to file an open-and-shut not-Constitutionally-murky libel case instead of the very problematic and likely to be dismissed invasion of privacy claim that she did file?
posted by jaek at 2:32 AM on July 18, 2003


OMG -- you weren't kidding when you warned us about the Katy Johnson link, were you? What the hell was that?

I have to go gouge out my eyes now...
posted by wdpeck at 3:09 AM on July 18, 2003


wdpeck, I put in two warnings in the post, one in the TITLE attribute and then another one at the end.

But you just had to click on it, didn't ya? ;)

maybe that's why I put it there in the first place

Oh what the heck, I'll put in another one:

Statutory warning: Clicking on the Katy Johnson link can be hazardous to your health. It can cause severe psychological trauma.

There, that should get more people clicking.
posted by madman at 3:19 AM on July 18, 2003


Oh, goodie. More press for this sociopath.
posted by rushmc at 3:28 AM on July 18, 2003


That worning certainly enflamed my interest!
Kind of like a corporate site aimed at children, disturbing.
posted by asok at 3:30 AM on July 18, 2003


"being stupid is okay if you're a beautiful girl. Duh."

This may be probably is true, but it's just proof that humans have got a long way left to go...
posted by Irontom at 4:05 AM on July 18, 2003


Blonde.
posted by insulglass at 4:19 AM on July 18, 2003


Blonde jokes?
posted by Witty at 4:54 AM on July 18, 2003


erm..... on katy's site.....

what exacly is that dog doing to the girls leg?
posted by quarsan at 5:06 AM on July 18, 2003


she seems to be a member of mensa (it's mentioned on her resume).
posted by andrew cooke at 5:12 AM on July 18, 2003


Ok. Now, who am I supposed to feel sorry for here?
posted by paddbear at 5:55 AM on July 18, 2003


No, no, of course he's telling the truth! Don't you see the way he's pointing at her in the picture?
posted by ghastlyfop at 6:09 AM on July 18, 2003


This Tucker Max is an attention whore asshole. Plain and simple.
posted by EmoChild at 6:44 AM on July 18, 2003


No one is denying that she slept with him. In fact, if you read the court documents carefully, no one is even denying that she tends toward drunk and promiscuous and maybe a little bit dim.

I can't believe I'm even weighing in on this...this guy just makes my skin crawl.

I think Max's issue is that the press release issued by Johnson's lawyers states "she vehemently
denies the story about her on the web site." So Max being able to prove just a tiny portion of his story discredits her, as she stated she "vehemently denied" the story, instead of proclaiming it an gross exaggeration.
posted by jennak at 6:58 AM on July 18, 2003


Jimmy doesn't like Tucker Max
posted by Bonzai at 8:23 AM on July 18, 2003


I think Tucker and that Tripplehorn guy from this thread would make quite the cute couple.
posted by jonmc at 8:26 AM on July 18, 2003


Statutory warning: Clicking on the Katy Johnson link can be hazardous to your health. It can cause severe psychological trauma.

Aw, come on. What can you have against a lesbian positive comic strip? Aren't two of the girls making out on the title page? (Huh? Me? Imagining things? I don't think so.)

And hey madman, don't forget... "Care is a big part of character!" (If you spell it "char", perhaps), and "Flowers are a great cover-up... for a goof-up!"

Words to live by.
posted by jokeefe at 8:33 AM on July 18, 2003


We're so only going to see more of this. We put our lives on the net. And "We" includes lots of dorks.

I find Tucker Max's story credible. And about Katy "methinks she dost protest too much."

I suppose this is the judicial/web equivalent of "The Jerry Springer Show."

I'm sure when he is "forced" to display whatever sordid evidence/trophy he has in his back pocket (speculating... some panties with dna evidence? eww...) you'll all believe him more, and despise him more. It's a mire, to be sure, but a moderately entertaining one.

Oh, and +1 to the assessment of the guy as a sociopath.
posted by artlung at 11:08 AM on July 18, 2003


you weren't kidding when you warned us about the Katy Johnson link, were you? What the hell was that

just so long as she's not tubgirl II....
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 11:13 AM on July 18, 2003


jonmc, you read my mind. Two guys with smarmy rich-boy names who both happen to be complete tools. Coincidence?
posted by reidfleming at 12:29 PM on July 18, 2003


but I AM dating a biologist supermodel!!!!

posted by Perigee at 12:55 PM on July 18, 2003


Tucker Max wrote: "These women have circled the drain a few times, and no manner of plastic surgery or trips to the spa can hide that despair that years of whorish behavior and emotional prostitution leaves in the eyes."

Which is odd, because when I clicked on the picture of both of them, I remember thinking that their eyes looked so old and worn.
posted by mecran01 at 3:47 PM on July 18, 2003


Call me a contrarian, but I'm feeling sympathy for the caddish Tucker Max. An important piece of contextual information is that Katy Tucker is part of a growing number of beauty pageant winners who serve as spokespersons for abstinence-only sex education and against any form of premarital sex. The abstinence-only sex education group, Project Reality, has made significant strides recruiting beauty pageant winners to promote the federally funded Game Plan abstinence-only curriculum. Project Reality used to be known as Project Respect and Respect Inc., which distributed the Choosing the Best and Sex Respect curricula. Choosing the Best basically used scare tactics and outright lies to get teens to abstain from sex, such as advising teens that they had to wash their genitalia with Lysol whenever they have sex. If the exposure of Katy Johnson as a sexual hypocrite stops at least one legislator from voting for these nonsensical and counterproductive abstinence-only education programs, I certainly won't be disappointed. I also wouldn't be surprised if some of the other beauty pageant contestants promoting right-wing sexual morality aren't as chaste as their public image suggests.
posted by jonp72 at 5:02 PM on July 18, 2003


odd ppl

on another note
hot chix.
mmmmmmmm......... ^^
posted by firestorm at 9:51 PM on July 18, 2003


Betsty the Cow trampled Anchorage!

Damn you, you giant cow!

*shakes fist*
posted by mr_crash_davis at 9:43 PM on July 19, 2003


Surprising no one, the lawsuit was dismissed.
posted by jaek at 3:14 PM on July 21, 2003


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