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	<title>Comments on: Tricolor Salvage</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:34:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Tricolor Salvage</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.cargolaw.com/2003nightmare_tricolor.html"&gt;The Tricolor, a 50,000-ton cargo vessel carrying 3000 automobiles worth more than $40 million, is being raised.&lt;/a&gt; Cost to raise the &lt;a href=http://members.lycos.nl/fsanderse/casualty/Tricolor.jpg&gt;Tricolor&lt;/a&gt;: $40 million. It sunk, then was &lt;a href=http://members.lycos.nl/fsanderse/casualty.htm&gt;hit three times&lt;/a&gt;, once by the Nicola, then by the &lt;a href=http://members.lycos.nl/fsanderse/casualty/Vicky_7.jpg&gt;Vicky&lt;/a&gt; (an oil tanker which spilled some, and killed &lt;a href=http://www.deviantart.com/view/1678786/&gt;marine life&lt;/a&gt;), then by a salvage tug. Good &lt;a href=http://www.angelfire.com/ne2/tugsandtowage/tricolor.html&gt;summary&lt;/a&gt; of the collisions in Dutch and English, with photos (similarly in &lt;a href=http://www.sextan.com/archives/commerce/tricolor.htm&gt;French&lt;/a&gt;). Official &lt;a href=http://www.gard.no/PressInfo/Tricolor/TRICOLOR%20press%20briefing.pdf&gt;press briefings&lt;/a&gt; offer good outline of all stages since the beginning. The automobile manufacturers &lt;a href=http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/08/business/worldbusiness/08SALV.html&gt;tried to prevent pictures&lt;/a&gt; being taken of the destroyed automobiles, but &lt;a href=http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?c=news_photos&amp;p=tricolor&gt;there they are&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=http://www.blognewsnetwork.com/members/0000001/mpg/tricolorAutos/tricolorAutos.html&gt;even more and better&lt;/a&gt;. The &lt;a href=http://www.tricolorsalvage.com/&gt;official Tricolor salvage site&lt;/a&gt; offers a PDF file on &lt;a href=http://www.tricolorsalvage.com/images/salvagemethod.pdf&gt;how the salvage is being done&lt;/a&gt;: in part, with a huge cutting wire.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:23:04 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mo Nickels</dc:creator>		<category>tricolor</category>		<category>ships</category>		<category>cargo</category>		<category>cars</category>		<category>disasters</category>		<category>salvage</category>
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		<title>By: Civil_Disobedient</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#534654</link>	
		<description>Damn, I thought they were cool old cars from the 50&apos;s or something.  Why bother salvaging them?  The article said  that the auto manufacturers wanted to avoid any possible liability claims if salvaged/scavenged parts were installed in vehicles that subsequently break down, but wouldn&apos;t the installer be liable, not the company?</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:34:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: davehat</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#534661</link>	
		<description>From the first link: &lt;em&gt;Salvage workers are sawing the wreck into 9 pieces with a specially designed, diamond-encrusted wire. Its cargo of 3,000 BMWs, Saabs &amp;amp; Volvos will &lt;strong&gt;be junked.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;small&gt; [my emphasis]&lt;/small&gt;

The reason they have to salvage this ship (as opposed to its cargo, which presumably is still held within it) is that the boat has grounded on its side just below the surface slap bang in the middle of a major shipping route and three ships, including an oil tanker, have already collided with it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:45:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: humuhumu</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#534663</link>	
		<description>The Guardian has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/flash/0,5860,1005068,00.html&quot;&gt;thoroughly interesting Flash guide&lt;/a&gt; to how they&apos;re going to raise it - basically, by cutting it up into smallish bits. Fascinating in a way that I never through ship salvage could be.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 05:46:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Frasermoo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#534682</link>	
		<description>super interesting. I now have my conversation for the pub tonight

great post Mo Nickels.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 06:27:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shoepal</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#534686</link>	
		<description>[this is fascinating]</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 06:36:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rcade</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#534687</link>	
		<description>Cool link -- I&apos;m surprised not to have heard about a giant ship sinking in the English channel and being hit by other ships.

I saw one of these Wallenius Wilhelmsen auto-carrying ships in Jacksonville off the Dames Point Bridge. They&apos;re unbelievably gigantic. It&apos;s pretty amazing that all 24 crew members survived when one of them sank quickly.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 06:37:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Frasermoo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#534692</link>	
		<description>well there were no deaths and no eco-problem when it sank. it really only made the news as a novelty report because of the cars on board.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 06:50:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: stbalbach</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#534693</link>	
		<description>humuhumu&apos;s Guardian link said there will be &lt;i&gt;a huge barge with a deck area over 4 square km&lt;/i&gt;. A 4 square kilometer barge! But alas the barge is 36m x 140m or about 5000 sq meters.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 06:52:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: attackthetaxi</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#534694</link>	
		<description>So &lt;i&gt;that&apos;s&lt;/i&gt; where my car went.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 06:53:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: LinusMines</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#534718</link>	
		<description>Thanks, Mo!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:32:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: smackfu</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#534724</link>	
		<description>The NYTimes article makes a big deal about how the companies don&apos;t want the stuff ending up on the market.  But if they weren&apos;t paying for it, would they have any say?  Salvage is finder&apos;s keepers, I believe.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:40:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tommasz</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#534726</link>	
		<description>Gee, they put a &lt;em&gt;single buoy&lt;/em&gt; to mark a wreck that was actually visible in the water and three ships ran into it. Color me shocked.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:42:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: stbalbach</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#534757</link>	
		<description>tommasz.. as can be seen from the pictures the water is not that deep compared to the size of the ship so we have to assume there is a shipping lane probably artificially dug to keep it deep enough. Normally these shipping lanes are wide enough to allow two ships to pass at once and that&apos;s it. If you&apos;ve ever seen two 10-story tall buildings pass by each other at high speed feet apart you will be impressed. Piloting a large ship is not like driving a car, it can take many minutes to exact a change of course and should the wind or wreck in the road come into play fun times will ensue.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:24:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tomplus2</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#534791</link>	
		<description>EXCELLENT link to the pictures of the cutting!  wow,  NICE sections.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:59:59 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rotifer</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#534827</link>	
		<description>Fascinating site.  The &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cargolaw.com/1998nightmare.html&quot;&gt;cargo nightmare&lt;/a&gt;&quot; section is great as well.  Reminds my of my college days.  I worked as a deckhand on the M/V Omnisea which burned while docked at Pier 91 in Seattle, not one of the shining moments of my seafaring career.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:25:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: riffola</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#534836</link>	
		<description>Excellent link, thanks!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:29:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mayor Curley</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#534859</link>	
		<description>The flash presentation is fantastic. One more reason why I love &lt;i&gt;The Guardian&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 09:59:36 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mayor Curley</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: dhartung</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#535136</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;if they weren&apos;t paying for it, would they have any say? Salvage is finder&apos;s keepers, I believe.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bartleby.com/65/fl/flotsam.html&quot;&gt;flotsam, jetsam, and ligan&lt;/a&gt;. The cargo in question is ligan and as long as the owners or their agents marked the location of the wreck, under maritime law they retain most ownership rights. Finders keepers chiefly applies to &lt;acronym title=&quot;And you can guess that the definition of abandoned is the tricky part.&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;abandoned&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/acronym&gt; salvage, and it&apos;s rarely automatic. (There is even litigation involving the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.titanic.com/story/107/Titanic_salvage_sink&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Titanic&lt;/i&gt; salvage&lt;/a&gt;, which was granted only after lengthy court proceedings.) In this case, the marine salvage team is commissioned by the French government to clear the waterway; this alone may make them ineligible to claim salvage rights.

Personally, I found the photos too reminiscent of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ladder54.com/Photosmisc.htm&quot;&gt;Cypress highway after the Loma Prieta earthquake&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:44:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kayjay</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#535183</link>	
		<description>Good points, stbalbach, but I think tommasz knew that already and was being facetious.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2003 17:57:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dg</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27546/Tricolor-Salvage#535764</link>	
		<description>[this is good]

Anyone want to buy a cheap BMW?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:42:21 -0800</pubDate>
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