Comments on: Compendium of lost words

Compendium of lost words

adamrice — Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:57:11 -0800

Compendium of lost words You may have been wondering what "triclavianism" means. You may have been disappointed when dictionary.com couldn't help. Look no further.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:07:55 -0800

I've run across this site before, and I'm not sure why I don't find it more interesting than I do. I guess it just seems so arbitrary to select words that don't otherwise appear on the internet (as far as Google can discover). Also, it seems a little bizarre to give "example sentences" (and pretty banal ones at that; why not have some fun with them?) for words that may have been used only once in the seventeenth century. Better to give a quotation from the OED, especially if it's as lively as the one for "acrasial": "'Acrasial Philogamy? Brother Edward, what is that?' 'That,' replied Edward, 'is an incurable malady to which young persons are subject.'" As the compiler himself says:

I do not pretend that reviving 'lost words' is ever likely to be successful... Moreover, many of the 'lost words' are really too obscure, or refer to concepts that are too obsolete, to be of much use for anyone. I also believe that the function of language is to be understood, and since these words are extraordinarily rare, to use them in conversation might be construed as pretentious or obfuscatory.

Since they're extremely unlikely either to be used or to be looked up, what's the point? I prefer his Word List of uncommon words in actual use ("Did you ever have an English teacher who told you 'Whenever you read something, and find a word you don't know, look it up in the dictionary and write it down'? Well, I took that advice to heart."); short definitions, no artificial examples, lots of fun. (Not that I mean to disparage your link, which is fun in its own right!)

By: quonsar

quonsar — Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:21:17 -0800

wait, there are three of them???

By: trondant

trondant — Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:57:36 -0800

~~wait, there are three of them???~~ wait, there are III of them???

By: languagehat

languagehat — Sat, 16 Aug 2003 14:15:29 -0800

No, there were IV. Pay attention: "Pope Innocent III finally and infallibly determined, that four nails were used, and that the Roman soldier pierced the right side of Christ; a decision, which of course stamped the brand of heresy upon Triclavianism." –G. S. Faber, Inquiry (1838).

By: Keyser Soze

Keyser Soze — Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:02:39 -0800

Well, at least the word niggardly is still hanging around.

By: quonsar

quonsar — Sat, 16 Aug 2003 16:03:58 -0800

racist bastard. *ducks*

By: mediareport

mediareport — Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:34:40 -0800

Fabulous post. Sites like this are infinitely more fun than Flash games. Thanks, adamrice. Since they're extremely unlikely either to be used or to be looked up, what's the point? *gasp* Surely your soul is not as kexy as that, languagehat. The sound of these great forgotten words - "nubivagant," "obrumpent," "speustic," "pregnatress," "locupletative" - is more than point enough.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:18:06 -0800

Oh, absolutely—I didn't mean what's the point of bringing old and rare words to public attention, I meant what's the point of segregating a few hundred that happen not to be on the internet (until he puts them there) and adding sample sentences. Sorry if I was unclear. I'm no foppotee, and I'm famelicose for new words to play with!

By: mr_crash_davis

mr_crash_davis — Sat, 16 Aug 2003 22:27:31 -0800

You all are being way too pandelilofisal about this.

By: stbalbach

stbalbach — Sat, 16 Aug 2003 22:30:17 -0800

Well, I find the lost words of history fascinating. It's a good source of names for made-up things. Maybe I'll change my handle to veteratorian (adj: crafty)

By: Pericles

Pericles — Sun, 17 Aug 2003 06:18:34 -0800

That site is both kempt, and ept.

By: ericdano

ericdano — Sun, 17 Aug 2003 13:28:12 -0800

Great site! Love it! Best post on Metafitler in a while

By: elwoodwiles

elwoodwiles — Sun, 17 Aug 2003 13:44:06 -0800

OT/ I went and tapped "triclavianism" into google just to see what I would get. I found this website. It's some kind of pastoral philosophy blog that speaks of issue as important as triclavianism. I mention this only in order to cut and paste this following quote, which for whatever reason I found unintentionally hilarious: "Some have criticized my stance on triclavianism as being counterproductive, arguing that making a point of doctrinal contention over not making a point of doctrinal contention over adiaphora is itself non-salvific. However, my critics are overlooking the dangers of triclavianistic doctrines: allowing adiaphora to creep into our credenda -- while possibly pushing the theologoumenic envelope and providing exciting new opportunities for supererogative works -- will most often serve to muddy the soteriological foundation of Faith, leading in general to ultramontane excesses and, in extreme cases, ebaptization (which is unacceptable pastoral malpractice, however rare it may be.) Doctrinal integrity, and hence salvific effectiveness, is best served by working to end triclavianism and similar erroneous, or simply adiaphoric, doctrines."

By: pemulis

pemulis — Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:11:15 -0800

Compendium?

By: languagehat

languagehat — Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:24:10 -0800

elwoodwiles: You've been pranked. That's a Landover Baptist site. (You didn't really think today's pastors, however pious, were concerned about triclavianism, did you?) However, I think somebody should let the Compendium fellow know that it's time to take the word off the Lost Words page.

By: quonsar

quonsar — Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:56:23 -0800

i remember as if it were yestereve the night i crept into adiaphora's credenda...

By: ed

ed — Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:16:24 -0800

Since they're extremely unlikely either to be used or to be looked up, what's the point? Apparently, you haven't read books like the New Sun/Long Sun cycle or Infinite Jest, tomes that give the reader a bonus incentive by challenging with fun and obscure language for the few giddy bastards still willing to play the game. (Which was how I found the parent site, Forthright's Phontistery, a few years ago.) Or to put it another way: Why bulbulcitate our brabeum, languagehat? Some of us are cacozealous, celeripedan and spiscious in the word department, taking on these traboccant tasks with thysiasteries and gratuitous surgations because it helps us obacerate rather than rambling like a phlarologist? Suffering from dictionary-related pigritude, sir?

By: adamrice

adamrice — Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:48:57 -0800

Ahh, Ed mentions the Book of the New Sun, the place where dead words were reborn (Infinite Jest has some pretty obscure terminology, but Book of the New Sun goes much farther). Anyone out there ever read The Castle of the Otter? This was Wolfe's behind-the-scenes look at the writing of BotNS, in which he explains much of his obscure vocabulary, his relationship with his editor, and the dynamics of cavalry battle. Another pick for lovers of lost lingo: Mrs Byrne's Dictionary of Unusual, Obscure, and Preposterous Words.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:59:22 -0800

ed: Apparently you haven't read my earlier comment. And I happen to be a big Wolfe fan.