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	<title>Comments on: the influencing machine</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2003 05:18:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>the influencing machine</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27857/the-influencing-machine</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.zoebeloff.com/influencing/influencing.html"&gt;the influencing machine&lt;/a&gt; </description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2003 05:03:47 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>crunchland</dc:creator>		<category>television</category>		<category>interactive</category>		<category>flash</category>		<category>art</category>
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		<title>By: jpburns</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27857/the-influencing-machine#542755</link>	
		<description>(whispering voice):
Has anyone got a lozenge?

Deeply disturbing.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2003 05:18:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jeremias</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27857/the-influencing-machine#542761</link>	
		<description>I remember first reading about this in Jerry Mander&apos;s book &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/Jerry.Mander.html&quot;&gt;Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television&lt;/a&gt;. Here&apos;s a choice quote:

&lt;i&gt; &apos;...In any event , there is no question that television does what the schizophrenic fantasy says it does. It places in our minds images of reality which are outside our experience. The pictures come in the form of rays from a box. They cause changes in feeling and ... utter confusion as to what is real and what is not.&apos;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2003 05:54:33 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jeremias</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: ashbury</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27857/the-influencing-machine#542766</link>	
		<description>Indeed, this is somewhat disturbing.  

That whispering voice reminds me of a creepier viersion of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Grove/1469/wavs/centscrut.wav&quot; title=&quot;WARNING!! wav file from a geocities site&quot;&gt;The Central Scrutinizer&lt;/a&gt; from Zappa&apos;s Joe&apos;s Garage.
Nice link, crunch.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:22:10 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ashbury</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Blue Stone</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27857/the-influencing-machine#542768</link>	
		<description>I got fed-up waiting for it to load on dial-up.

Was that the influence it was supposed to have?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:28:06 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Blue Stone</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: aeschenkarnos</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27857/the-influencing-machine#542775</link>	
		<description>Hell, I got fed up waiting for it to load on &lt;i&gt;ADSL&lt;/i&gt;. What is it, how big is it, and can we please have a save-target-as link?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:49:41 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>aeschenkarnos</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: m@</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27857/the-influencing-machine#542779</link>	
		<description>Dr. Benway, please call your office.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:57:18 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>m@</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: phylum sinter</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27857/the-influencing-machine#542780</link>	
		<description>I only wish there was more to the presentation.  It almost teases you in to thinking there&apos;s more information held within by using page numbers in the thousands.

Now the research begins.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:58:10 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>phylum sinter</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: sourbrew</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27857/the-influencing-machine#542788</link>	
		<description>Yeah that voice was deeply creepy. I somehow managed to miss that it was talking about a television till I read the comments. In hind site I need some coffee. I still think the 1950&apos;s coined the best phrase to describe the television, &quot;Idiot Box.&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:16:35 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sourbrew</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: daver</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27857/the-influencing-machine#542817</link>	
		<description>This is the online version of an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zoebeloff.com/pages/digital.html&quot;&gt;Interactive Video Installation&lt;/a&gt; piece constructed by one &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zoebeloff.com/pages/bio.html&quot;&gt;Zoe Beloff&lt;/a&gt; if the site is to be believed. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zoebeloff.com/pages/analog.html&quot;&gt;rest&lt;/a&gt; of her &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zoebeloff.com/pages/digital.html&quot;&gt;work&lt;/a&gt; looks also interestingly creepy. Plus her dad&apos;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zoebeloff.com/pages/family.html&quot;&gt;Parapsychologist&lt;/a&gt;. Apparently those mefites in Pittsburgh can go see the installation in person in October, although I can&apos;t find much on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pghfilmmakers.org/index.html&quot;&gt;Pittsburgh Filmmakers&lt;/a&gt; site...</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:29:49 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>daver</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: joquarky</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27857/the-influencing-machine#542955</link>	
		<description>From the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/Jerry.Mander.html&quot;&gt;Four Arguments&lt;/a&gt; link above:

&lt;em&gt;Why do you think they call it programming?&lt;/em&gt;

What a great way to take home the point of the article.  =)</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2003 12:53:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Keyser Soze</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27857/the-influencing-machine#542961</link>	
		<description>I actually had to pause my Bad Religion to watch this site. What gives?</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:07:08 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Keyser Soze</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: dg</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27857/the-influencing-machine#543087</link>	
		<description>Weird, disturbing, twisted, strange.

[this is good]</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:59:15 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>dg</dc:creator>
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