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	<title>Comments on: And you thought GRIZZLIES were violent...</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:07:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>And you thought GRIZZLIES were violent...</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cloudline.org/&quot;&gt;Charlie Russell and Maureen Enns&lt;/a&gt; - authors of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/0679311181/ref%3Ded%5Fxsoc%5Fb%5F1%5F3/701-1558172-8394748&quot;&gt;a popular book&lt;/a&gt; and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/giants/&quot;&gt;subject of a fascinating and well-recieved documentary&lt;/a&gt; - have been living for months at a time with bears in Kamchatka, demonstrating that man and grizzly can, in fact, inhabit the same landscape without violence - at least, no violence on the part of the &lt;i&gt;bears&lt;/i&gt;... Their work has been brought to a tragic and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030725.ugriz0726/BNStory/International/?query=russell&quot;&gt;all too human end...&lt;/a&gt; &lt;small&gt;(Via &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rc3.org&quot;&gt;Rafe Colburn&lt;/a&gt;, who notes, appropriately, &lt;i&gt;&quot;People suck.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:00:18 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JollyWanker</dc:creator>		<category>CharlieRussell</category>		<category>MaureenEnns</category>		<category>bears</category>		<category>grizzlies</category>		<category>nature</category>		<category>animals</category>		<category>Russia</category>		<category>Kamchatka</category>		<category>research</category>		<category>documentary</category>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27920/And-you-thought-GRIZZLIES-were-violent#544223</link>	
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;. . .&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:07:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ashbury</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27920/And-you-thought-GRIZZLIES-were-violent#544224</link>	
		<description>People &lt;strong&gt;do&lt;/strong&gt; suck.  Fuckheadgreedmobsters.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:14:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: konolia</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27920/And-you-thought-GRIZZLIES-were-violent#544225</link>	
		<description>I&apos;m speechless with anger.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:25:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nothing</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27920/And-you-thought-GRIZZLIES-were-violent#544228</link>	
		<description>Reminds me of the people who go and hunt newly reintroduced wolves in the US, but worse, because instead of stupidity and irrational fear, this appears to have been a &quot;business&quot; decision. People suck.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:36:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hilatron</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27920/And-you-thought-GRIZZLIES-were-violent#544230</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Mr. Russell said he is tortured by the mental image of the giant bears happily approaching their killers.

&quot;I can see how easily they were killed. That&apos;s my nightmare image,&quot; he said, his voice dropping almost to a whisper.&lt;/i&gt;

Yep, that&apos;s going right on my list of nightmare images, too.  Ugh.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:50:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: notsnot</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27920/And-you-thought-GRIZZLIES-were-violent#544231</link>	
		<description>Damn.

Time to buy one of those &quot;Mean people suck&quot; stickers and cut off the &quot;mean&quot; part.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:50:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: homunculus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27920/And-you-thought-GRIZZLIES-were-violent#544234</link>	
		<description>This is really depressing, but it&apos;s not really surprising.  No wild animal can inhabit the same landscape as humans without violence becomes there&apos;s always some fucking useless asshole who is going to kill them.  I hope these poachers are tracked down and have their own gall bladders nailed to the wall.  The world would be better without them and with more grizzlies.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:53:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dreamghost</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27920/And-you-thought-GRIZZLIES-were-violent#544253</link>	
		<description>&quot;Alive, the grizzly is a symbol of freedom and understanding - a sign that man can learn to conserve what is left of the earth. Extinct, it will be another fading testimony to things man should have learned more about but was too preoccupied with himself to notice. In its beleaguered condition, it is above all a symbol of what man is doing to the entire planet. If we can learn from these experiences, and learn rationally, both grizzly and man may have a chance to survive.&quot; 

- Frank Craighead</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2003 20:57:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: soyjoy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27920/And-you-thought-GRIZZLIES-were-violent#544393</link>	
		<description>To put it another way: Killing the grizzlies, and maintaining a cycle of violence, was necessary to keep up the culture of fear and division on which hunting and gunplay in general are based. This is one disgusting occurrence, yes, but it&apos;s only an exaggerated example of the larger situation.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:21:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Outlawyr</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27920/And-you-thought-GRIZZLIES-were-violent#544458</link>	
		<description>fug

Excuse me while I go puke.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:01:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gottabefunky</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27920/And-you-thought-GRIZZLIES-were-violent#544460</link>	
		<description>God awful. I did my master&apos;s research at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.knightinletlodge.com/&quot;&gt;this lodge&lt;/a&gt; on the coast of British Columbia, and got to observe some of these incredible animals up close. (100-page thesis sort of summarized &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/01/0122_020122_bearviewing.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, self link of course, and I was with &lt;a href=&quot;http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/data/2001/07/01/html/ft_20010701.1.html&quot;&gt;this author &lt;/a&gt;when we were charged by one.)

Smart as dogs, cute as puppies, faster than horses, scary as sharks, with personalities as individual as any pet - and hated by so many, or seen as just a gall-bladder life-support mechanism.

Things like this make me think &lt;em&gt;fuck &lt;/em&gt;&quot;traditional medicine,&quot; or at least the kind that leads to shit like this. Bears, rhinos, tigers - how many have to die to keep Asian dicks hard?</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:03:00 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: daver</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27920/And-you-thought-GRIZZLIES-were-violent#544507</link>	
		<description>That&apos;s the first time I&apos;ve exclaimed &quot;That&apos;s disgusting&quot; from something I saw on the internet in quite a few years. I think I know who&apos;s gall bladder needs nailed to the kitchen tree next.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:08:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: darsh</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27920/And-you-thought-GRIZZLIES-were-violent#545039</link>	
		<description>This was the subject of a column in the Guardian Online&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/wormseyeview&quot;&gt; Worm&apos;s Eye View&lt;/a&gt;  today, written by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.darwinwars.com/lunatic/movabletype/archives/000915.html#000915&quot;&gt; Andrew Brown &lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:49:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shadow45</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/27920/And-you-thought-GRIZZLIES-were-violent#551098</link>	
		<description>wow.  what a horrible, horrible story.  i wish they knew who the fucks were that did that.. 

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:54:35 -0800</pubDate>
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