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	<title>Comments on: When the marines fail, send in the grouch...</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 04:45:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>When the marines fail, send in the grouch...</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3200699.stm"&gt;American values brought to you by the letters...&lt;/a&gt; In the Islamic world the USA doesn&apos;t appear to be making too many friends recently. But is it all a big misunderstanding? Perhaps the middle east simply need to learn more about American values. Who can teach them about American culture, morality, and cookies? You&apos;d be surprised...</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 04:28:24 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>kaemaril</dc:creator>		<category>grouch</category>		<category>misunderstanding</category>		<category>morality</category>		<category>marines</category>		<category>elmo</category>		<category>sesamestreet</category>
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		<title>By: Mossy</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/28033/When-the-marines-fail-send-in-the-grouch#546781</link>	
		<description>&quot;Behave son, or US paratroopers may come next&quot;

&quot;If Arab and Jewish Muppets can live together...&quot;

lol.. God bless the BBC :)

I find it interesting that there was a HIV positive muppet on the South African show when the government still refused to admit the bug existed. I wonder how they managed to fit that in as well.. Hmm..

From memories of home, Bengali culture has such a large American influence I doubt they really need to sponsor more. I think I&apos;m more &apos;Bengali&apos; than the Bengalis back there. Doh.

MTv is far more effective.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 04:45:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: biffa</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/28033/When-the-marines-fail-send-in-the-grouch#546800</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Charlotte Beers, the undersecretary of State for public diplomacy: &quot;teaching common values&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Can you teach common values? Isn&apos;t this just an example of the kind of the patronising pedagogical approach that the US Government brings to its dealings with other countries that pisses so many people off.  Why not just &lt;em&gt;emphasising &lt;/em&gt;common values?  And are they planning to do some of this at home as well?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 05:54:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: signal</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/28033/When-the-marines-fail-send-in-the-grouch#546806</link>	
		<description>One point: in my experience, most people think Sesame Street is originally from whatever country they watch it in. You would have to make a specifically pro-US version, which would probably (rightly) be percieved as mere propaganda.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 06:10:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shoepal</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/28033/When-the-marines-fail-send-in-the-grouch#546808</link>	
		<description>Sesame Street, The Great Cultural Homogenizer&lt;sup&gt;tm&lt;/sup&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 06:22:11 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: CrazyJub</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/28033/When-the-marines-fail-send-in-the-grouch#546810</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Iraqi prisoners were treated to repeated playings of the ditty at ear-splitting volume by US psychological operations officers intent on encouraging their captives to submit to questioning. &lt;/i&gt;

Man, they should go all the way and show them &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.albany.net/~genxtv/krofft.html&quot;&gt;Sid and Marty Krofft &lt;/a&gt;re-runs.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 06:28:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ednopantz</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/28033/When-the-marines-fail-send-in-the-grouch#546816</link>	
		<description>Open Sesame (ifta ya simsim) has been on Gulf Arab TV for twenty years, judging by the clothes on the reruns I saw.  Thanks to them, my wife could hold conversations in Arabic with all citizens under five.  Grover is much funnier in translation, and Anis and Butrus (Ernie and Bert) remain terrible roomates.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 06:42:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: i_cola</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/28033/When-the-marines-fail-send-in-the-grouch#546819</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;&apos;Who can teach them about American culture, morality, and cookies? You&apos;d be surprised...&apos;&lt;/i&gt;

From the linked article:
&lt;i&gt;&apos;...Children&apos;s Television Workshop...does not accept that it is an exporter of so-called American values. Even a policy for foreign licensing decided back in 1969 stipulated that non-US versions of the show reflect the morals and traditions of the host nation.  

&quot;We don&apos;t set out in any way to push American or western values. That&apos;s not our mission at all,&quot; says Beatrice Chow, spokeswoman for Sesame Street&apos;s foreign co-productions.&apos;&lt;/i&gt; 

There is also an argument that runs along the lines that maybe it&apos;s &apos;the USA&apos; that should attempt to learn about other cultures...</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 06:49:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: angry modem</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/28033/When-the-marines-fail-send-in-the-grouch#546874</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;There is also an argument that runs along the lines that maybe it&apos;s &apos;the USA&apos; that should attempt to learn about other cultures...&lt;/i&gt;

Or maybe that all cultures involved could learn a thing or two from eachother.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 08:06:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: stifford</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/28033/When-the-marines-fail-send-in-the-grouch#546877</link>	
		<description>What about the sinister &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/bert.htm&quot;&gt;Bert/Bin Laden &lt;/a&gt;connection?</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 08:12:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: borkus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/28033/When-the-marines-fail-send-in-the-grouch#546887</link>	
		<description>In a very special episode, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloysius_Snuffleupagus&quot;&gt;Snuffleupagus&lt;/a&gt; finds Weapons of Mass Destruction.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 08:26:11 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: i_cola</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/28033/When-the-marines-fail-send-in-the-grouch#546894</link>	
		<description>am: Indeed. I find it so very hard to keep up with US culture these days...</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 08:29:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: XQUZYPHYR</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/28033/When-the-marines-fail-send-in-the-grouch#546909</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Anis and Butrus (Ernie and Bert) remain terrible roomates.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh.

Oh my.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 08:54:14 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tirade</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/28033/When-the-marines-fail-send-in-the-grouch#546957</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Behave son, or US paratroopers may come next&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

This is not journalism.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:59:04 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: i_cola</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/28033/When-the-marines-fail-send-in-the-grouch#547080</link>	
		<description>This is not a sentence.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 12:36:16 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: starscream</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/28033/When-the-marines-fail-send-in-the-grouch#547089</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Anis and Butrus (Ernie and Bert) remain terrible roomates.&lt;/em&gt;

Uhm... 

XQUZYPHYR understands what I mean...</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 12:44:47 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: quonsar</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/28033/When-the-marines-fail-send-in-the-grouch#547194</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt; Anis and Butrus (Ernie and Bert) remain terrible roomates&lt;/i&gt;

*restrains self*</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:16:35 -0800</pubDate>
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