Another Bush Tall Tale
September 17, 2003 1:50 PM   Subscribe

"Mostly, we've been watching the president's rhetoric spring leaks in Iraq and Afghanistan. So perhaps we haven't paid enough attention to how many holes have popped open in his domestic socks. Joblessness that was supposed to be stanched by the Bush tax cuts. Urban food kitchens overwhelmed by the demand from people who are working but underemployed and end up out of money three weeks into the month. A domestic Peace Corps program (AmeriCorps) that is praised publicly by the president as admirable volunteerism but is being starved of money by the White House and congressional Republicans. But, still, you wouldn't think he would stiff children and their schooling. That's maybe the most disappointing thing this president has done here at home."

Looks like the "No Child Left Behind/'accountability is the true foundation of education reform'/Texas education miracle" is just another Texas tall tale.
posted by fold_and_mutilate (62 comments total)
 
But hey, who's counting?

~wink~
posted by fold_and_mutilate at 1:51 PM on September 17, 2003


But hey, who's counting?

I think these guys are, foldy.
posted by PrinceValium at 1:56 PM on September 17, 2003


Now hold on just a minute.

The Bush Administration lied to us?

Now I'm pissed!
posted by mr_crash_davis at 2:37 PM on September 17, 2003


mr_crash_davis, why do you hate America?
posted by eyeballkid at 2:42 PM on September 17, 2003




Thank you for that anti-Bush post. It was very refreshing and offered me a new and exciting political viewpoint to consider.
posted by xmutex at 2:54 PM on September 17, 2003


Obligatory indignant "how dare you bash Bush!" whine from petulant right-winger in 5...4...3...2...
posted by scody at 2:54 PM on September 17, 2003


dammit.
posted by scody at 2:56 PM on September 17, 2003


oy, again with the Bush
posted by destro at 2:58 PM on September 17, 2003


It really seems that the comments in political type threads are repeated over and over again. Maybe the words are a bit different.. but the same sarcasm, cliche one liners etc.
posted by Akuinnen at 2:59 PM on September 17, 2003


It's probably because people have the same political opinions from one post to the next but some posters are intent on posting every goddamn bit of news about what the Bush administration does or changes it makes in White House toilet paper changing regimens or dietary supplement routines of the presidential pets that you end up seeing the same comments over and over and over and then some because you see the same type of post over and over and then some.

Sickening, is what it is.
posted by xmutex at 3:05 PM on September 17, 2003


same sarcasm, cliche one liners etc.

same dumbass, fucking up the country.
posted by quonsar at 3:07 PM on September 17, 2003


scoudy: i thought the right-wingus metafilterus had been hunted to extinction.
posted by keswick at 3:07 PM on September 17, 2003


ummmmm...oh yea, how dare you bash Bush! (go pick on someone on your own intelligence level)
posted by jmd82 at 3:09 PM on September 17, 2003


f&m sure does suprise you with the stuff he posts here. You never do know what a f&m post is gonna be about until you read it. Lucky bastards are we.
posted by xmutex at 3:11 PM on September 17, 2003


xmutex, did you bother to read what f&m posted, or just jump straight to bashing the post you should be ignoring? The facts are in the links. This isn't whether or not Bush lied about being pro-education. Its about an educational system that is in bigger trouble now, then when those campaign promises of help were made.

If any Bush apologists would like to point out how Bush has helped education thrive, I'd be happy to read it, regardless of the "posted by".
posted by Wulfgar! at 3:16 PM on September 17, 2003


i thought the right-wingus metafilterus had been hunted to extinction.

They've been reintroduced through a rewilding program.
posted by homunculus at 3:18 PM on September 17, 2003


You know, my dad used to walk in from work every day and start a half-hour complaint session about all the annoyances of the day. By the time dinner was over, I could tell you who was trying to short change him, who wasn't doing their job, and why things were falling behind schedule.

Eventually, my mom told him that he'd have to come up with at least one good thing for every two bad. Suddenly, his work day didn't seem so bad. The gains were much larger than the losses, and I suddenly figured out why he was motivated to get up so damn early to get to his job.

I'd like to think that there are some good things going on in D.C. and that we're just dwelling on the handful of negatives. Does anyone actually know the positive side of things anymore? Somewhere in the world there have to be some people who aren't starving, unemployed, disenfranchised, and outraged.

As for the comic... I think supply-side economics is bullshit as much as the next guy, but does anyone know of a viable strategy that may actually work, and also please enough voters? All of the trade policies I can think of have their share of detractors....
posted by mikeh at 3:21 PM on September 17, 2003


you know, there's really no need to whine about all the Bush-hating, because this post sucks by any objective standard. even if i agreed with the sentiments behind the post, i think i'd be too embarrassed to rush to f&m's defense.

it's just so predictable. . . and l-o-n-g winded. . .and messy. . . and blustery. . .and, well, just plain old boring.
posted by nobody_knose at 3:35 PM on September 17, 2003


But hey, who's counting?

Not me, I can't. I went to american public schools.

Ohh, look, paste!!
posted by jonmc at 3:51 PM on September 17, 2003


that would be government schools, jon.
posted by nobody_knose at 3:52 PM on September 17, 2003


Does anyone actually know the positive side of things anymore?
Well, lots of people are being energized to go out and vote in '04...that's a positive thing--unfortunately, they're energized by the failures of this administration.
posted by amberglow at 3:52 PM on September 17, 2003


The Bush Administration lied to us?
posted by punilux at 3:52 PM on September 17, 2003


Interesting how it's perfectly acceptable to disrupt an entire nation and the workings of a successful government with an impeachment trial because a Democrat got a blow job while criticisms about foreign affairs and domestic policy decisions made by a Republican are considered needlessly negative.

Consider it payback.
posted by Hildegarde at 4:04 PM on September 17, 2003


Does anyone actually know the positive side of things anymore?

McDonald's is launching an adult happy meal!
posted by Armitage Shanks at 4:09 PM on September 17, 2003


Consider it payback.

Well, I would like to think that our actions are forced by necessity rather than petty political vengeance. I would like to think that.

Anyway, if you are going to have a post about what to do with education, then do it. But certainly don't repeat the same old tirade against the same old people. I mean, who are you trying to convince Mr. Fold and Mutilate? Anyone who is in here has heard the arguments before, and either sides with them or against them. I doubt this straw will break the camels back.
posted by Lord Chancellor at 4:13 PM on September 17, 2003


Interesting how it's perfectly acceptable to disrupt an entire nation and the workings of a successful government with an impeachment trial because a Democrat got a blow job while criticisms about foreign affairs and domestic policy decisions made by a Republican are considered needlessly negative

Interesting how our former president seemed more interested in keeping his pants down and his poll numbers up instead of paying closer attention to the Al Qaeda threat.

And by the way, Clinton was impeached because he committed perjury, not because he cheated on his wife with a post-collegiate intern in the oval office and lied to the nation about it.
posted by Durwood at 4:44 PM on September 17, 2003


Interesting how our former president seemed more interested in keeping his pants down and his poll numbers up instead of paying closer attention to the Al Qaeda threat.

exsqueeze me?
posted by mcsweetie at 4:56 PM on September 17, 2003


MikeH, *great* post. The government is always corrupt and full of it, but I know that there are many people who work hard to do good and we don't hear about that. I don't want to stop hearing about the nonsense, but I agree, let's get a few positive items in here as well.
posted by example at 5:12 PM on September 17, 2003


I'd like to think that there are some good things going on in D.C. and that we're just dwelling on the handful of negatives. Does anyone actually know the positive side of things anymore?

Wow.... I'd heard about this, but never thought I'd see it in its native habitat. Who-gives-a-fuckus Americanus. 87 billion dollars for Iraq, and that's the spun figure, not the real one; demonstrable lies from the Administration, about trivial things like education and tax cuts, changes which will have ramifications for decades; the wholesale destruction of what social safety net you guys still have.

it's just so predictable. . . and l-o-n-g winded. . .and messy. . . and blustery. . .and, well, just plain old boring..

Yeah, hell, let's all just watch TV. I think the new season of Friends is starting up soon.
posted by jokeefe at 5:27 PM on September 17, 2003


Bush lied, Clinton lied. Politicians lie. That their function in life.

We're on our own own. Get over it. Or don't.
posted by jonmc at 5:45 PM on September 17, 2003


these pretzels are making me thirsty

~wink~
posted by poopy at 6:04 PM on September 17, 2003


jonmc: And whoppers about Iraq are set to put this country in the fiscal hole - for no good reason - for decades to come, possibly affecting your own life severely and directly. Consequently, the George Wallace "not a dime's difference" routine is getting a bit old. There are differences of degree and they vary at different times in history and so forth. And anyone who pays attention and has a brain should be scared about those differences right now. You should remain sensible and keep a sense of humor, etc., and not post annoying and shallow FPPs, but still be frightened out of your skull.

Of course no savior is on the horizon. But we are on our own in the sense that, yeah, we can stop this situation from getting worse - by voting and all that apparently corny horseshit.
posted by raysmj at 6:05 PM on September 17, 2003


yes, that's right, jokeefe, everyone who disagrees with you is a mindless zombie.
posted by nobody_knose at 6:09 PM on September 17, 2003


we suspected as much.
posted by quonsar at 6:11 PM on September 17, 2003


yes, that's right, jokeefe, everyone who disagrees with you is a mindless zombie.

Well, I'm glad somebody finally said it. Cheers.
posted by jokeefe at 6:15 PM on September 17, 2003


put this country in the fiscal hole - for no good reason - for decades to come, possibly affecting your own life severely and directly.

That's where your wrong, my esteemed colleague (and i say that unironically). I was a broke-ass sonuvabitch under Clinton and under Dubya. I don't imagine my fortunes will change much under whoever comes next. The same I imagine is true, for most of the human race, despite how it might wram the cockles of people with a lot invested in the perpetual tennis match of american politics. I don't trust anyone who says they're gonna save the day. Activists are to be distrusted on general principles. It's not that I don't care, it's just that I know better.

In the end all I truly believe in is rock and roll, cold beer, hot sex, and pizza by the slice with extra fresh garlic and parmesan. Block my access to any of the above and then I'll get active.
posted by jonmc at 6:16 PM on September 17, 2003


But we are on our own in the sense that, yeah, we can stop this situation from getting worse - by voting and all that apparently corny horseshit.

Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!
posted by poopy at 6:23 PM on September 17, 2003


Interesting how when asked if anything positive has come out of Bush's presidency, conservatives can only mention that he doesn't screw his interns.
posted by y6y6y6 at 6:24 PM on September 17, 2003


In the end all I truly believe in is rock and roll, cold beer, hot sex, and pizza by the slice with extra fresh garlic and parmesan. Block my access to any of the above and then I'll get active.

wow
posted by muckster at 6:24 PM on September 17, 2003


wow, what?

Politics always changes. Those things (universal desires all) don't. And if that wow is a wow of shock at my "apathy," save it. I've tried to put my faith in politics and it always comes up short, since the only people who really get deeply involved are zealots or power-freaks or cliquemongering proto-fascists. I've known several people who lived through(and particpated in) the activist years of the 60's and they told me the same thing. My own political experiences and my encounters with activists has taught me the same thing.

We're doomed, no matter who's in charge. Deal.
posted by jonmc at 6:40 PM on September 17, 2003


y6y6y6, surely you can dig down deep inside that liberal heart of yours to find something (ANYTHING!) nice to say of the current administration... or are you just another bleeding-heart stereotype?
posted by poopy at 6:41 PM on September 17, 2003


jonmc: Yes, as Faulkner often noted, we're all doomed eventually. But why push it? What's with the absolute fatalism? Do you think good decisions made by those who came before us counted for shit? (God, not even Faulkner would've said that.) Do you think there would not have been a difference between, oh, Lincoln and George Wallace? That they were all just lying assholes, and consequently equal in political worth?

Do you want to live a shithole for the rest of your life, or worse? You seem to have a good Internet connection now, at least. I wouldn't count on having it forever, or the pizza by the slice with extra garlic whenever you want it, even. I'm not kidding. Ask people in modern-day Argentina about this sort of thing. Or do you believe in complete American exceptionalism?
posted by raysmj at 7:09 PM on September 17, 2003


Who knows, maybe it would be good for us. Revert to the law of the jungle.

I dunno, everytime I listen to some idealogue, I try to imagine what the world would be like if the world was run by that person, and what my place would be in it, and I usually end up feeling neasy becaue I realize that to most people I'm an employee number on a time card or a vote or a potential follower and that's it, no matter hwre there coming from.

So, I wish I could find something worth believing in, and I've looked around here, among other places, and come up empty. So I'll stick with survival.

Obviously there's a difference between wallce and lincoln, chief among them being that they lived about 100 years apart, making the whole comparison apples and oranges.
posted by jonmc at 7:21 PM on September 17, 2003



I have a message for my liberal friends, relatives, and colleagues: If you think Republicans play dirty and Democrats don't, open your other eye.


counterpoint.
posted by mcsweetie at 7:31 PM on September 17, 2003


Well, I would like to think that our actions are forced by necessity rather than petty political vengeance. I would like to think that.

You mean like that vitally necessary Whitewater investigation? Tell you what: We'll settle for Bush being investigated precisely diligently as that. Fair?

Oh, and we promise to be at least as honest and nonpartisan in our assessment of Bush's actions as the "Clinton Death List" was of his. That satisfy you?
posted by George_Spiggott at 7:54 PM on September 17, 2003


I have a message for my liberal friends, relatives, and colleagues: If you think Republicans play dirty and Democrats don't, open your other eye.

Because, after all, it's OK if the other side does it too.

Politics as a two-year-old's morals. Yay us.
posted by Cerebus at 8:32 PM on September 17, 2003


jonmc in '04!
posted by UncleFes at 10:07 PM on September 17, 2003


jonmc: Why do have to believe in any one person or, say, charismatic movement? Why not vote for the person who's least likely to do the most damage, or who will govern with some restraint and thoughtfulness, if at all possible? And you mean to say that the 1860s were some sort golden age? Holy Jesus.

I grew up in the South, damn it, and things are surely better here than they were when my parents grew up - in serious poverty of the sort you and I couldn't imagine. Pizza slices with parmesan? How about occasional government cheese as a luxury? And let's not forget about segregation. Unfortunately, national public policies are hardly making things better on the economic front there. And hardly anybody wants to say that, because it's unfashionable in many circles to sound too political, or whatever. Or it's fashionable to act cynical about government, and starve it half to death, a la Alabama.

What makes your posts in this area a bit sad and frustrating to read is that it's clear that you're more upset and disillusioned than apathetic or neutral. Say what you really mean, investigate what's going on, and stop this nihilistic everyone's-the-same stuff, curiously mixed with bizarre nostalgia for a golden era that never was.
posted by raysmj at 10:40 PM on September 17, 2003


This could have been interesting. It's not.

A nation with a decentralized educational system and some 15000 independent school districts that the last 20 years has been fighting, and still is, to keep up with (or rather reach) the same educational level as the rest of the industrialized world - THAT issue is interesting.

Since the -83 report there hasn't been a single President that hasn't promised a better tomorrow for the "neighbourhood schools", and especially its students.

Bush is not even remotely interesting in this matter. He, or his administration, had one idea. So what? It's not the first time the president of the US has an idea concerning the educational system.

With flesh on the bones, this topic could've been worth discussing (and I'd be happy to contribute with European point of views if the discussion would turn straight).

Unfortunately bashing Bush and bashing Bush bashers and bashing in the bush with bashers of the Bush bashers is more interesting.
posted by psychomedia at 11:04 PM on September 17, 2003


Psychomedia - So contribute instead of griping - Enlighten us, put some flesh on those bones!


( Meanwhile) Most of those who commented on this thread don't really seem to give a rat's ass about the fact that one of the centerpieces of the Bush 2000 campaign plank ( education as priority, remember? ) was based on a Texas record built on lies.

Worthy of note? Well......

This fact might be unremarkable, simply a case study in politics as usual, if it were not for the consistent and increasingly absurd fusillade of outrageous lies flying from the Bush Administration's collective ass, George W.

Perhaps there is no future to hope for - well then. So it shall be.

I, for one, choose to think that a 600 billion deficit, the war in Iraq, the Bush attack on the environment (and the rest of the putrid heap of greed driven excess of the current administration) are worth opposing.

It's sobering to me to think that, on the eve of Clinton's first inauguration, people were partying out to Fleetwood Mac's "Don't stop thinking about tomorrow"......given that the Bush theme music seems to be "Take the Money and Run", or perhaps simply "Highway to Hell".

Oh well. What can a body do but post sarcastic comments on blogs?
posted by troutfishing at 12:32 AM on September 18, 2003


And for the cynics aplenty on this thread: if you weren't aware that all the great stories have been told already, then you might consider reading a bit more from the ancient greeks.

Political corruption? Yeah, it's been noted. Thousands of years ago. Moving right along to the truly novel - "genetically compatible pigs for human organ transplant for sale now at Wal-Mart!.....Woman slices off finger in food processor, threatens lawsuit......Catholic Church to commission robot-priests immune from sexual temptation!....( News at 11 )

Go back to sleep.
posted by troutfishing at 12:46 AM on September 18, 2003


Whoa! Robot priests? Where can I get me one of those?
posted by alex_reno at 12:59 AM on September 18, 2003


To be serious, what Greek story did you have in mind for his lying Presidentialness?

Let's see, not Oedipus, one hopes, not Xenophon, certainly not Theseus, by no means Pythagoras or Socrates or Plato, not Pericles, not even close to Epaminondas, maybe Alcibiades?

Let's hope not, that Sicily thing was somewhat sub-optimal. I must admit that the modern-day American equivalent to defacing the Herms does not spring immediately to mind.
posted by alex_reno at 1:15 AM on September 18, 2003


[Calvinism]
Jonmc is broke most of the time?! That's so unjust, so unexpected.
[/Calvinism]
posted by hincandenza at 1:36 AM on September 18, 2003


alex_reno - I was thinking of something from Sophocles or Euripides; pick a play which suits your ideological bent. They're all tragedies.
posted by troutfishing at 1:39 AM on September 18, 2003


You know, if we consider Sparta to be republican and Athens to be democratic then Xenophon is not so far off. Really, both Xenophon and GW Bush were trying to unseat the same regional ruler, give or take a few thousand years.

Revelation from God? Check.
Troops under his command ended up in unexpected places? Check.
Time to go to sleep? Check.
posted by alex_reno at 1:43 AM on September 18, 2003


I have a message for my liberal friends, relatives, and colleagues: If you think Republicans play dirty and Democrats don't, open your other eye.

Why does being liberal mean you're a Democrat?
posted by LouReedsSon at 1:54 AM on September 18, 2003


Yeah. Republicans these days just can't manage money. So they're like liberals were supposed to be - weak willed, irresolute. But the new republicans are fundamentally mean too.
posted by troutfishing at 2:00 AM on September 18, 2003


A Greek story for Dear Leader?

Oedipus.
Definitely.
Junior competing with Daddy for a mean Momma's love.
posted by nofundy at 6:19 AM on September 18, 2003


* Rimshot *
posted by troutfishing at 7:07 AM on September 18, 2003


You mean like that vitally necessary Whitewater investigation? Tell you what: We'll settle for Bush being investigated precisely diligently as that. Fair?

Oh, and we promise to be at least as honest and nonpartisan in our assessment of Bush's actions as the "Clinton Death List" was of his. That satisfy you?


No, no, silly, you missunderstand. As a more Democratically-inclined person, I'm hoping that we don't fall to pettiness when we find ourselves with the power to attack. As some one was saying before, just because Clinton did something wrong doesn't give Bush the mandate to follow. As such, I will find myself disgusted if we attempt to 'Whitewater' anywhere.
posted by Lord Chancellor at 9:03 AM on September 18, 2003


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