Comments on: Man Rapes Infant Daughter

Man Rapes Infant Daughter

fenriq — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:32:40 -0800

Man Pleads Guilty to Raping his own 2 month old Daughter
But wait, that's just the beginning. This guy's daddy heads the state Corrections Department and part of his plea is to reduce the amount of time he's going to spend in jail for this most heinous act.
This guy is facing, if the judge agrees to the plea, only 6 months in jail! The standard sentence for first-degree child rape is seven to 10 years in prison.
He's admitted to molesting a 9 year old in Maine before and has also been convicted of orchestrating an armed robbery.
How in the heck he's going to get ANY leniency is beyond me.

By: Keyser Soze

Keyser Soze — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:41:02 -0800

Dad or no dad, hes not getting 6 months.

By: dg

dg — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:46:42 -0800

Six months in jail for raping his baby daughter seems fair to me. Providing a lethal injection awaits him at the end of that six months. His father was convicted of robbery and went on to head the state Corrections Department? WTF?

By: angry modem

angry modem — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:52:03 -0800

You think he'll actually survive more than a month in jail?

By: amberglow

amberglow — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:52:06 -0800

It's a sick, sad world (sometimes). They should really lock this guy up forever.

By: Samsonov14

Samsonov14 — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:52:13 -0800

Ugh. There so much wrong with this scenario I don't even know where to start.

By: dness2

dness2 — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:53:46 -0800

I don't think it was his father that was convicted of robbery- it was him.

By: sacre_bleu

sacre_bleu — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:55:25 -0800

WhatTheHellFilter.

By: loquacious

loquacious — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:59:06 -0800

Welcome to the police state. Those that desire to control and lead the most are often the least qualified to do so. This is - in my opinion - an example of systemic abuse in a culture of abuse and violence. Control is an illusion...

By: quonsar

quonsar — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:06:24 -0800

i can't think of a worse thing to be in prison than the child molesting son of the cheif screw.

By: Jairus

Jairus — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:14:58 -0800

As much as six months is a pretty silly sentence, compared to other crimes, there's no way that the prison system is going to do this man any good. A six month stay in a psych institution would be far more likely to have lasting effects.

By: dg

dg — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:18:12 -0800

I don't think it was his father that was convicted of robbery- it was him. Sorry, my mistake.

By: stonerose

stonerose — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:24:51 -0800

Enrique Cerna talks with Joseph Lehman, Secretary of Washington state's Department of Corrections about the findings of a statewide poll on parole. The poll was commissioned by KCTS Connects, The Tacoma News Tribune and KPLU Public Radio with funding from the Pew Center for Civic Journalism. It is a part of a project titled A Duty to Protect in which the three media outlets have joined together to examine issues related to parole in Washington state. 'Reverend Joe' Lehman runs corrections with strong beliefs... he says there is one prayer in particular from it that he recites every morning: Psalm 51 "Give me the joy again of your help Lord."

By: mkn

mkn — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:36:12 -0800

I'm with quonsar: this guy molests a 9 year old, rapes a 2 month old, and he's the son of the head of state for the Corrections Department? He'll be lucky to survive a week.

By: LouReedsSon

LouReedsSon — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:56:09 -0800

And some say the system ain't broke. HA! As for him not lasting a month in jail, I think the fact daddy's in charge will earn him super-secret secured custody. This is fuct beyond belief. Something needs to be done. I suggest we all start by maybe emailing any Washington state legislator in absolute protest of any lieniency for this pondscum. I don't know exactly what they can do, but I'm open to any other suggestions. This shouldn't be allowed to happen. Period.

By: kozad

kozad — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:56:27 -0800

Sorry to sound like a squishy liberal here, but...whassup with all this vigilante justice shit? Like, "heh heh...they'll kill the bastard in prison!" Justice, mercy, rehabilitation...or...let's rejoice at the motherfucker's humiliating death!

By: kozad

kozad — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:57:56 -0800

Not that I'm suggesting mercy. I have a daughter.

By: kozad

kozad — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:59:05 -0800

And even if I didn't...

By: fenriq

fenriq — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:08:26 -0800

LouReedsSon, I was thinking of something along those lines. Part of the reason I posted the story (aside from the downright wrongness of it) was to shine some light on it and hope that the blogging world can effect this freaking bastard's permanent incarceration and, hopefully, death by bleeding out on the shower room floor. But not until after he's been on the receiving end of a few prison rapes first. Mercy? Mercy should be saved for people that deserve it. Dragging this scumbag behind a car until he's erased into a long red streak in the road is too good for him.

By: LouReedsSon

LouReedsSon — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:10:32 -0800

Here is the list of email addresses I found. I hope enough of you are as outraged as I am to take a minute and write these people with your thoughts.

By: ROU_Xenophobe

ROU_Xenophobe — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:12:37 -0800

I dunno. If I hear that someone pled down to 6 months for this, my first reaction is that the prosecution must have had a very weak case. If they'd had a strong case, they'd've pushed it. At a guess, maybe there's no physical evidence that the event took place. His fiancee says she saw him do it, which is just he said / she said. And he admitted to it under interrogation, but lots of people admit to all kinds of things they didn't do when grilled long and hard enough. Which doesn't mean he didn't do it, but then again, there's precious little reason to believe that he did it just because some prosecutor said so, or even to believe he did it because the cops were able to confuse him into a confession. (Xeny trusts prosecutors about as far as he can spit them)

By: biscotti

biscotti — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:18:31 -0800

A six month stay in a psych institution would be far more likely to have lasting effects. Thank goodness for a breath of sanity in here. And what ROU_Xenophobe said.

By: yhbc

yhbc — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:22:05 -0800

Hold on there, vigilantes. Not to say that this isn't VERY bad, but here's another write-up which clarifies that it wasn't his own daughter (not that that's particularly important), and that it was his girlfriend who found him in the compromising position. He did, according to this story, have to admit to what he did as part of the plea bargain, so he admitted to "manual and oral sexual contact with the infant", whatever that was. Count me in the "keep the sick S.O.B. under close supervision and long-term treatment, but not in jail for freaking ever" camp.

By: LouReedsSon

LouReedsSon — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:22:53 -0800

(Xeny trusts prosecutors about as far as he can spit them) Likewise X, and very good point I hadn't considered, but if there's any doubt, he shouldn't get anything at all, right? There is obviously enough of a case to sentence him in the first place. So before I go off here, how would you suggest I further research this?

By: carfilhiot

carfilhiot — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:42:47 -0800

This is such trashy tabloid news - noone here was at the trial (afaik), the article presents no facts and actually distortates some of the facts. It's journalism of the lowest, scummiest, common denominator. in short it's a troll.

By: konolia

konolia — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:42:57 -0800

``I am very sorry for my wrongdoing and want to get treatment,'' Lehman said in the statement. He did it. I'm sorry. From what I understand , research shows that pedophiles are almost impossible to rehabilitate. He may be sorry, he may repent, but he needs to do both in a place where he can never ever come in contact with a child for the rest of his life. Put him in prison. Why should the psych patients have to be around this guy? Oh, and remind me that reading Mefi before bed has its hazards. This makes me sick.

By: mischief

mischief — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:06:16 -0800

Just because he said he did it as part of the plea bargain doesn't mean he actually did it. He was facing many years versus 6 months. If he couldn't afford a decent lawyer, he may have had no other choice.

By: dg

dg — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:16:57 -0800

From the King County Journal link:

Any prison time for Lehman would be suspended

So he will most likely spend no time in jail for raping a 2 year-old? People see this and wonder why some get upset and suggest an alternative punishment?

By: daver

daver — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:20:50 -0800

Uh... Did you folks read the articles?

First offense
His sentence wasn't reduced from the typical 7-10 in the hoosgow, this is an alternate sentence which includes
- Prison time (6 mo)
- rehab (3+ years)
- Lifetime supervision
Alternative sentencing was reached because he agreed to plead guilty, rather than fight this out as a "he said she said"
Prosecutor and defense agree that his father had no improper role in the court proceedings
his supervision is being transferred outside the Dept. of corrections, since his father heads the thing up

The other write up says... The alternative sentence will be recommended because Lehman meets the guidelines for it, not because of his father's occupation or status, Olson said. ``I do not believe who Mr. Lehman's father is had anything to do with it,'' Olson said Tuesday. ``In fact, I think that made them take a harder look at him and what to do with the case. ``I frankly haven't seen any special treatment whatsoever,'' he added. ``I believe he's been treated like any other person charged with this offense.'' Deputy Prosecutor Rich Anderson agreed. ``I agree who his father is had absolutely no effect on what we decided and how we decided it,'' Anderson said after the hearing. ``Who his father is had no bearing on how we resolved the case.'' Do you think the son should pay a steeper price than other in his shoes because his father's the head of corrections?

By: daver

daver — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:21:30 -0800

other(s) (sic)

By: fenriq

fenriq — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:35:29 -0800

carfilhiot, what planet do they use the word "distortate" on? Because it sure isn't earth. And DG, not a 2 year old, a 2 MONTH old child. And I don't think he should be given any more punishment than someone else or any less because of who his father is. But it appears he was caught red handed, has admitted to it, admitted to another molestation, is an already convicted felon for armed robbery and is only looking at 6 months in jail. It is completely and totally wrong to let him off with such a minor slap on the wrist.

By: MAYORBOB

MAYORBOB — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:39:50 -0800

"He said, she said"??????? What the hell is that? The victim was 2 months old. I assume there is some forensic evidence and there is no way that he would only get 6 months in the State of MAYORBOB. Not that I would want him brutalized, raped, or killed in prison. No, I would like for him to spend the next ten to twenty years thinking about what he did. And at the end of twenty years, if they couldn't manage to find the key, that would be such a major shame.

By: ROU_Xenophobe

ROU_Xenophobe — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:26:57 -0800

"He said, she said"??????? What the hell is that? That's when she says, "You raped my daughter," and he says, "No I didn't." Rocket science, this ain't. I assume there is some forensic evidence Doesn't sound like it to me. At least, nothing mentions it. Assuming that prosecutors are acting in good faith is just naive and/or dumb. And the predominant reactions in this thread are good indicators of why an innocent person would not just admit to something he didn't do, but also make up corroborating stories of other crimes he didn't do. If the alternative is getting sent up for years, knowing full well that the jury will be too inflamed to bother with all that beyond-a-reasonable-doubt crap and just make someone PAAAAY!, knowing that the prosecutor really just has to hold up a cute picture of a baby and point at you and not present any evidence that the event actually took place, knowing that you can expect to be brutalized in prison with the advice and consent of the guards... well, in that case almost anything else sounds better.

By: IshmaelGraves

IshmaelGraves — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:12:02 -0800

That's right, the psych ward is such a spectacular idea — we can't have this guy corrupting the murderers and thieves, let's lock him up with a bunch of minors (>16 and you go to an adult psych hospital usually) whose worst crime is that they sliced up their wrists. Because by god those fucking kids have it coming. Fuck the lot of you.

By: biscotti

biscotti — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:16:57 -0800

I assume there is some forensic evidence As ROU_Xenophobe said, if there had been anything solid, odds are the case would have gone differently. The reports we've seen linked here talk about "manual and oral sexual contact", not "penetration", the differences in forensic evidence between those two are in all likelihood quite substantial. IshmaelGraves: maybe it's different where you live, but as far as I know in most places there are separate wards (or even entirely different hospitals) for suicidal teens and the criminally insane, you know? It's not like they put Bob the Crazy Butcher in the next bed to Sad Billy Smith.

By: insomnyuk

insomnyuk — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:19:28 -0800

This reminds me of Fritz Lang's movie M. Although, I would side with Schranker and just execute the bastard.

By: Dagobert

Dagobert — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:05:55 -0800

I can understand the emotional motivation for a lot of crimes (I too, have wanted to kill someone in a very 'orrible way) but luckily, my morals put the kibosh on such thoughts very quickly. But that someone of his age would look at someone of the child's age and have sexual thoughts is akin to me trying to communicate with an alien species that relies on scent as a form of communication. I simply cannot understand what makes someone do that. I am anti-death penalty and this is one of those times when my belief is tested.

By: stbalbach

stbalbach — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:17:20 -0800

What he needs is mental health, not a prison gang bang.

By: LouReedsSon

LouReedsSon — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:18:55 -0800

So he can get an alternate sentence and some here think that's ok? I guess I wonder how many others convicted of the same type of crime are offered alternate sentences. And yes, I'm going on the assumption he's guilty because I can't find anything that suggests otherwise. Of the four sites I found that reported this, none painted a pretty picture of this guy. His one day in jail for a felony level robbery doesn't make sense and neither does an alternate sentence for child molestation. Of course if that is offered to every first offender, well who am I to argue. But something smells wrong here. Geeze, a drug posession charge can carry more weight than this. Maybe the parental me wants this guy castrated, but the rest of me would like to know for sure that if this guy is guilty of these charges he is given the same punishment anyone else would get.

By: alumshubby

alumshubby — Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:44:34 -0800

Control is an illusion... Thanx, loquacious. Hell, I've been saying that for years.

By: JakeEXTREME

JakeEXTREME — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:00:25 -0800

Well, Daddy might just have a little pull after all folks. According to this article his Dad wrote a letter to get him out of the robbery charge, and seems to have helped, but it was never mentioned. Might this be a reason punishment seems light? But then you might also say that since he was charged with first-degree child rape(have to register) , the physical evidence was just not there to support it. Perhaps if the prosecutor went for a lesser charge this guy might see more time. I found a site, but have lost the darn link, which posted a reply about this case from a local government official, and stated they would not speak on the topic. Interesting that they didn't even want to say it was a disgusting act.

By: pemulis

pemulis — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:01:52 -0800

[this is sick]

By: twine42

twine42 — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:55:02 -0800

Problem is that these guys normally get put into solitary. Stick him in the main building with a 300lb black guy called Bubba and 6 months sounds just fine to me.

By: terrymiles

terrymiles — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:30:51 -0800

Enough bollocks. End him. Move on.

By: quonsar

quonsar — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:54:01 -0800

300lb black guy called Bubba cuz hail, everbody know serial rapin' mofos be giant black doods name o' bubba. now gimme them ritz, boy.

By: litlnemo

litlnemo — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:46:25 -0800

"While interviewing Lehman Jr. in the current case, King County detectives said that Lehman Jr. also admitted molesting an unnamed 9-year-old girl in Maine in 1997, although he described the girl as the aggressor." (emphasis added) Oh, I guess it's all right, then. </sarcasm>

By: Irontom

Irontom — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:57:12 -0800

fenriq - as a general observation, it seems to me that the concept of mercy doesn't have anything at all to do with "deserving" it.

By: rcade

rcade — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:40:50 -0800

Just because he said he did it as part of the plea bargain doesn't mean he actually did it. Presumption of innocence ends when someone admits to a crime. At that point, I think it's defensible to presume that the person committed the crime absent evidence of prosecutorial excess. In this case, since his sentence is criminally lenient, I'll pick out the tree if someone else will find some rope.

By: joemeek

joemeek — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:17:00 -0800

It's obvious, he didn't have marijuana or other drugs. Then they would have "thrown the book" at him.

By: da5id

da5id — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:33:17 -0800

Found in another story: She contacted King County sheriff's deputies Dec. 30. On Jan. 10, the fiancée wore a recording device provided by deputies, and spoke to Lehman about the incident. He admitted the sexual contact with the child, and said he had tried additional contact, but stopped, because the child "wasn't very happy about it," according to charging papers.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:34:46 -0800

there's no way that the prison system is going to do this man any good....What he needs is mental health, not a prison gang bang. I don't really care what he needs or what's gonna do him good. Quite frankly what'll do society good is if he's kept separate from it. Leniency just enables this sick bastard to feel like he got away with something. If the alternative is getting sent up for years, knowing full well that the jury will be too inflamed to bother with all that beyond-a-reasonable-doubt crap and just make someone PAAAAY!, knowing that the prosecutor really just has to hold up a cute picture of a baby and point at you and not present any evidence that the event actually took place, knowing that you can expect to be brutalized in prison with the advice and consent of the guards... Right. Anyone disgusted by this man's behavior is just a bloodthirsty vigilante, and if pedophilia disgusts us, we must be puritanically repressed. The guy has admitted to it. Most people would admit to serial murder before child molestation, so that leads me to believe he did commit the act. So let the bastard suffer.

By: da5id

da5id — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:38:35 -0800

She contacted King County sheriff's deputies Dec. 30. On Jan. 10, the fiancée wore a recording device provided by deputies, and spoke to Lehman about the incident. He admitted the sexual contact with the child, and said he had tried additional contact, but stopped, because the child "wasn't very happy about it," according to charging papers.

By: grefo

grefo — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:50:53 -0800

What is it with Washington State? We have sex predators who can't find homes, that run away, that move away and don't tell police, yada yada yada. Is it all the rain? The gray clouds? Or is there some repressed puritanical cult living in the woods? Almost daily there is a news story of some offender. Are other states like ours?

By: dejah420

dejah420 — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:07:36 -0800

You know, normally I consider myself a pretty rational human...but I'm afraid I'll have to sign up for the vigilante team on this one. Some people are so broken that the only solution is to remove them from society forever. Anyone who can sexualize and then act out by molesting an infant cannot ever be allowed near children again. He's broken...and study after study has shown that the recidivism rate amongst pedophiles is huge. This man is a predator of the worst kind, and he must not be allowed to continue the hunt. Six months from now, it could be your kid he's trying to diddle. He broke the social contract in a particularly heinous way...and 6 months will hardly teach him that the contract is to be respected. Get caught with some weed...go to prison for years. Rape an infant, get a cushy sentence...yeah, our justice system makes perfect sense.

By: UncleFes

UncleFes — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:20:21 -0800

The shame of this crime, and others like it, is that we as a society will continue to let this man victimize innocents because we are too cowardly to fulfill our important but often ugly responsibility to those children of making certain he never does it again. And, in my opinion, it is a tribute to the law-abidingness and self-control of the American people that every convicted child rapist doesn't simply just disappear in the night.

By: mischief

mischief — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:28:58 -0800

Presumption of innocence ends when someone admits to a crime.

Q: What do you call the guy who gets the lowest passing grade on the bar exam? A: Lawyer (and a cheap one at that) Do you really think this guy had the best defense team on his side? Or, some country lawyer who took his '95 F-150 as trade? One of my friends was falsely accused by a woman for molesting a minor, and seeing what he went through (like $50,000 to the lawyer for pre-trial proceedings) opened my eyes to so-called American justice.

By: Cyrano

Cyrano — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:30:23 -0800

recidivism rate amongst pedophiles is huge. A take on the subject...

By: theora55

theora55 — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:34:00 -0800

This guy needs to be removed from society for a long time. Prison or mental health institution, he needs to be far away from children. It may be his 1st sex offense conviction, but the prior conviction for robbery should be considered. The only treatment for male pedophilia and predation seems to be castration, chemical or surgical, and even that doesn't always work. I feel bad for the girlfriend. Pedophiles / predators often enter relationships with women who have young children. I can only imagine how devastating this must be for her.

By: biscotti

biscotti — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:52:18 -0800

I'll point out one more thing about sticking people like this (assuming he's guilty) in mental institutions, then I'm done. So many seem to think that it's a cushy sentence to put them in a hospital, but keep in mind that when someone goes to prison, they have a release date (unless they're sentenced to life without parole), being found criminally insane and sentenced to a mental institution usually lasts until the person is deemed safe to re-enter society, which in many cases, is never.

By: mischief

mischief — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:22:03 -0800

"until the person is deemed safe to re-enter society, which in many cases, is never..." ... or until the state cuts the budget.

By: anastasiav

anastasiav — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:05:02 -0800

Anyone disgusted by this man's behavior is just a bloodthirsty vigilante, and if pedophilia disgusts us, we must be puritanically repressed. There's a huge difference between being disgusted by this man's behavior and waving pom-poms at the thought of his gang-rape in prison. I can be and am horrified and disgusted by his conduct. I agree that he deserves to be removed from society, isolated, and punished. But violence begets violence. Rape is never funny, its never ok to use as "punishment" and it certainly isn't justice. What sets us apart should be our ability to use our rational minds, to understand that the intentional infliction of pain in all cases is evil and wrong. When we live in a culture that says that rape and violence are ok -- even praiseworthy - "in some circumstances" is it any wonder that some people have trouble understanding just what those circumstances are and step over the line. I'm not saying "Society made him do it." What I am saying is that if the taboos in our culture against violence of any kind were stronger, it might have been more difficult for this man to step over the line into taboo territory.

By: alphanerd

alphanerd — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:07:02 -0800

...Stick him in the main building with a 300lb black guy called Bubba and 6 months sounds just fine to me. ...But not until after he's been on the receiving end of a few prison rapes first. I'm disgusted by the callousness of people who turn a blind eye to prison rape, and even moreso by people who think that it should be meted out to certain people. That punishment is dispensed dispassionately is one of our justice system's greatest virtues, and gives it a tremendous amount of moral credibility. I understand that in this case it's losing a good deal of credibility by giving the guy such a light sentence, but please... And to the authors of those two quotes above: Whenever someone gets accused of rape, we should make sure that the victim wasn't themself a rapist, right? Because if it turns out that they are, then the accused is actually acting as an agent of the law and justice rather than in violation of it, right? And if questions like these ever become to morally complicated for us to deal with, we'll just tell the guards to take a coffee break so the skinheads can shiv whoever's causing the problem in the exercise yard.

By: alphanerd

alphanerd — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:10:55 -0800

anastasiav: Uhm... It looks like you won by a nose on that one.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:17:46 -0800

anastasiav: I wasn't advocating that he be raped, just that they throw his ass in prison, preferably until he reaches his drooling dotage. The anger in my comment was from the sneering tone in the passage I quoted. I don't wish rape on anyone, although this guy getting the shit kicked out of him wouldn't break my heart.

By: ROU_Xenophobe

ROU_Xenophobe — Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:51:40 -0800

The "sneering" is at the assumption that "this man's behavior" actually took place just on some DA's say-so. Even before it was revealed in this thread that there was corroborating evidence that wasn't likely bullshit, people were calling for the guy's death, rape, and other mean, nasty, ugly things. Don't trust a DA any more than you'd trust whichever of Ashcroft or Michael Moore you trust less. That's all.

By: dabitch

dabitch — Fri, 31 Oct 2003 04:20:11 -0800

innocent until proven guilty... or until you cut a deal.