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	<title>Comments on: Whither useful information for an overdesigned site?</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:33:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Whither useful information for an overdesigned site?</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/29364/Whither-useful-information-for-an-overdesigned-site</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://198.94.156.9/"&gt;R.I.P. Bay Area Transit Information Page,&lt;/a&gt; 1994-2003. The site, started by two &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.berkeley.edu&quot;&gt;Berkeley&lt;/a&gt; students, provided quick access to transit information in the San Francisco Bay Area, who later received funding for their efforts in 1996. Instead, it gets replaced by &lt;a href=&quot;http://transit.511.org&quot;&gt;this abomination&lt;/a&gt; of web design. On the other hand, it is &lt;i&gt;very unusual&lt;/i&gt; for a web site to &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/19961106074122/server.berkeley.edu/Transit/&quot;&gt;keep the same user interface&lt;/a&gt; over the span of almost a decade. Already, there have been &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Azipb.2671%24Wy2.35743%40typhoon.sonic.net&quot;&gt;user interface rants&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.56.0311011842560.14478%40localhost.localdomain&quot;&gt;complaints about not finding information&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=bnvdvq%24302s%241%40agate.berkeley.edu&quot;&gt;sarcastic commentary&lt;/a&gt;, and a brief &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=sheikh-ECD556.02024926092003%40reader1.news.rcn.net&quot;&gt;eulogy&lt;/a&gt; delivered from one of the original creators, and it hasn&apos;t even been the first day. Is content over style dead or are information sites like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ci.detroit.mi.us/ddot/&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; &lt;small&gt;(flash)&lt;/small&gt; the wave of the future?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:12:37 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>calwatch</dc:creator>		<category>SanFrancisco</category>		<category>publictransit</category>		<category>publictransportation</category>		<category>transit</category>		<category>transportation</category>		<category>website</category>		<category>webdesign</category>
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		<title>By: twine42</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/29364/Whither-useful-information-for-an-overdesigned-site#578926</link>	
		<description>From the last link &quot;Improving the ride one stop at a time&quot; ?!? So you only have one team upgrading the bus stops, right?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:33:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: vacapinta</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/29364/Whither-useful-information-for-an-overdesigned-site#578927</link>	
		<description>Noooooo!!!!

transitinfo.org was an amazing site - simple, text-driven, intuitive. So many memories of using that site to get me somewhere on BaRT or muni....

I had noticed earlier they had removed the simple point-and-click interface for finding timings between bart stops and replaced it with *gasp* just a bare table organized by bart-line (who cares which train gets me to 24th/mission - i just want the *next* one!)

The new site is also missing that old and handy feature. I didnt see this coming...</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:44:45 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>vacapinta</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: 4easypayments</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/29364/Whither-useful-information-for-an-overdesigned-site#578928</link>	
		<description>Oh, cry me a river.

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://metro.net/&quot;&gt;Metropolitan Transit Authority&lt;/a&gt; in Los Angeles has done a great job combining style and usability. We just &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-mta04nov04,1,4179242.story?coll=la-home-leftrail&quot;&gt;haven&apos;t had bus or rail service for a month&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 00:47:35 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>4easypayments</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: rudyfink</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/29364/Whither-useful-information-for-an-overdesigned-site#578931</link>	
		<description>It is always a shame when a website takes a fantastic cliff-dive belly-flop into stupidity, especially ones I use regularly *cough* &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.netflix.com&quot;&gt;Netflix&lt;/a&gt; *cough*

I like to think that more sites turn good than bad.  That every sincere attempt to make a useful site unusable is offset by two or hopefully even three redesigns that improve usability.  I like to think this, but I fear we are headed more for the grey goo.

The older I get the more I think that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.maplestreetbookshop.com&quot;&gt;Maple Street Book Shop&apos;s&lt;/a&gt; slogan &quot;Fight the Stupids&quot; should become a cabinet level appointment.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 01:30:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: eddydamascene</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/29364/Whither-useful-information-for-an-overdesigned-site#578933</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;When developed it will allow users to download selected schedules and itineraries on to a PDA device. It will also provide functionality to use wireless devices to generate trip itineraries. Please stay tuned for these features.&lt;/i&gt;

This will be useful.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 02:06:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ralawrence</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/29364/Whither-useful-information-for-an-overdesigned-site#578946</link>	
		<description>If you&apos;re looking for a tube and/or bus planner for your Palm or PocketPC PDA, try &lt;a href=&quot;http://nanika.net/Metro/&quot;&gt;Metr()&lt;/a&gt;. It&apos;s free too.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:07:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: AlexSteffen</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/29364/Whither-useful-information-for-an-overdesigned-site#579095</link>	
		<description>Sad, sad, sad...</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:08:34 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hackworth</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/29364/Whither-useful-information-for-an-overdesigned-site#579181</link>	
		<description>quick, someone wget the old site and mirror it somewhere.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 11:22:13 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hackworth</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: majick</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/29364/Whither-useful-information-for-an-overdesigned-site#579194</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;quick, someone wget the old site&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I kicked off wget as soon as I found out about this... alas, without the scripts, it&apos;s somewhat less useful.  The wget job is still running (it has slowed down considerably over the past hour) but even when it completes unfortunately I don&apos;t have the backchannel bandwidth to host a fully public mirror.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 11:53:11 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bicyclingfool</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/29364/Whither-useful-information-for-an-overdesigned-site#579276</link>	
		<description>I used to hit this page almost daily when I was commuting between Oakland and Marin every day. What a p.o.s. they replaced it with -- butt slow.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 13:49:18 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>bicyclingfool</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: jcruelty</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/29364/Whither-useful-information-for-an-overdesigned-site#579317</link>	
		<description>i too miss that point and click map that let you pick your start &amp;amp; end station, then showed you the schedule for that line.  i use the tables now but it&apos;s not as intuitive or easy.  i wonder why they nixed it?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2003 15:33:37 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ropadi</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/29364/Whither-useful-information-for-an-overdesigned-site#579892</link>	
		<description>they probably got rid of the point and click because all they want to do anymore is hype the airport line.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2003 13:33:23 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>ropadi</dc:creator>
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