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Private Jessica Lynch says The military used me!

insomnia_lj — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:12:33 -0800

Private Jessica Lynch says "The military used me!" Lynch, now honorably discharged and with a book coming out, told Diane Sawyer in a "Primetime" interview to air Tuesday that the military lied to the press and used her for propaganda purposes. This was reported in May by Robert Scheer of the L.A. Times, who was called "unamerican" by Bill O'Reilly and personally called a liar by the Pentagon. Once more, we've been lied to by our government, but something tells me that the frogs ain't gonna march anytime soon.

By: orange swan

orange swan — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:17:47 -0800

Hmm, well, although Jessica was discussed yesterday, I suppose one can argue that this thread is legit because it picks up the issue where the first thread left off - someone had just posted an NY Times link about Jessica's protest over being used and lied about.

By: Eirixon

Eirixon — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:18:24 -0800

This is close to a double post. Perhaps it should have been posted here instead

By: Eirixon

Eirixon — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:19:41 -0800

on preview and all that...

By: Postroad

Postroad — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:24:04 -0800

She was used and now she is using them...bet poor little used girl will soon be driving nice new car.

By: rushmc

rushmc — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:24:11 -0800

Well, good for her!

By: insomnia_lj

insomnia_lj — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:29:38 -0800

The Scheer rebuttal to the Pentagon's critique of him is available here... Also, I would argue that this is a very different and far more important issue than whether Lynch was raped or not. I didn't even read that post because it was salacious and not of any real importance. This is a case where it appears the Pentagon knowingly lied to the American public and covered their lie by libeling a reporter who did his job in a professional manner. I think it's worth a FPP, myself.

By: Outlawyr

Outlawyr — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:30:33 -0800

I vote for double post. She's had her 15 minutes, let's move on.

By: orange swan

orange swan — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:34:41 -0800

Using them? She seems to be trying to set the record straight. It'll be interesting to watch how this unfolds. Will the Pentagon call Jessica a liar too? In the NY Times article linked in the other thread someone said she may not remember things properly because of her injuries - so they may take that route to discredit her. Rober Scheer's "hysterical belch of outrage" is the best phrase I've heard in awhile.

By: pardonyou?

pardonyou? — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:39:56 -0800

I don't see how it's a double post -- they really are two separate issues. This post is based on new information. Scheer likely deserves an apology, which he just as likely will not receive.

By: Eirixon

Eirixon — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:41:44 -0800

Live and let (the post) live...

By: bshort

bshort — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:50:26 -0800

I'm glad that Jessica is coming out and actually telling her side of the story. It would have been very easy for her to sit back and let the Pentagon propaganda machine spit out whatever best serves its purposes. I wonder what she thinks about the new mini-series about her that's coming out.

By: fold_and_mutilate

fold_and_mutilate — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:53:36 -0800

So much for the "honor code" of the military. Unsurprising. But one suspects that the present administration, through various types of pressure, had a hand in the spin of this liitle charade.

By: grabbingsand

grabbingsand — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 06:57:54 -0800

Your choices are: a. The Pentagon b. The Iraqi Lawyer c. Jessica Lynch d. The NBC Movie-of-the-Week Who do you believe? More importantly, who will the American public believe? And why do I have the feeling that the Pentagon was much happier when Ms Lynch was afflicted with "amnesia."

By: matteo

matteo — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:03:52 -0800

Who do you believe? none of the above really for different reasons, but if I have to choose, c More importantly, who will the American public believe? mostly a, d And why do I have the feeling that the Pentagon was much happier when Ms Lynch was afflicted with "amnesia." *cuffs grabbingsand, relocates him to secure location -- ie, Jordan, or Egypt -- for further questioning by local authorities in the presence of US security consultants*

By: ae4rv

ae4rv — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:04:06 -0800

I vote for double post. She's had her 15 minutes, let's move on. This is not about Jessica so much as it is about lying lyers, IMHO. Good post.

By: sharksandwich

sharksandwich — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:04:23 -0800

Hmmm. Reagan movie killed because of "made-up" dialogue. I'm sure the outrage over the Lynch made-up dialogue (verified by the SUBJECT of the film) will come forth from the GOP, forcing it to be moved to Showtime...Right?...Right?

By: ae4rv

ae4rv — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:06:36 -0800

(i wish i could spell)

By: insomnia_lj

insomnia_lj — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:18:54 -0800

Here is a CNN interview with John Kampfner, the BBC correspondent whose allegations led to Scheer's story in the L.A. Times. The BBC story, incidentally, was covered by several international papers, including some in Canada, but Sheer was the first major US journalist to report on the story, and therefore took most of the flak.

By: destro

destro — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:20:28 -0800

Actually the NBC movie is based on the Iraqi lawyer's book since Lynch went with the book deal instead.

By: LouReedsSon

LouReedsSon — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:28:49 -0800

So much for the "honor code" of the military. I for one am pleased she chose to honor the people she served... us! Way to go, Jessica.

By: insomnia_lj

insomnia_lj — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:35:13 -0800

Found the original story by Kampfner for the BBC. It should be noted that Kampfner said that Lynch had no bullet or stab wounds on her, and that a hospital commander, Col. David Rubenstein, insisted Lynch had not been shot or stabbed. However, it was later claimed by the military that two gunshot wounds were found after "an extensive probing and examination" conducted nearly a week after she was "rescued". Her family were then told about these ficticious wounds. On a personal note, how would you feel if the military told you that a family member of yours had been shot twice, only to find out later that it was a lie designed to cover another lie they had previously created?

By: uncanny hengeman

uncanny hengeman — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:45:39 -0800

insomnia_lj said: rebuttal Pun intended?

By: insomnia_lj

insomnia_lj — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:03:02 -0800

April 3rd story from the Washington Post - "She Was Fighting to the Death" This article sites US officials and several officials, with the story that Lynch continued firing at the Iraqis even after she sustained multiple gunshot wounds. So, which officials, do you think? Whoever it was, they had enough clout to make invisible gunshot wounds magically appear out of nowhere. Too bad the Washington Post will protect the same sources that lied to all of us... quite similar to what happened with the Wilson/ "frog march" case, really. It should be noted that in June, Dennis Kucinich called for the Defense Dept. to release the unedited footage of the rescue and to answer questions about Lynch's injuries. Perhaps we should all push our congressmen a bit on this issue...

By: yesster

yesster — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:11:15 -0800

What is particularly sad in all of this is that a wonderfully hopeful story was available to the Pentagon to sell to the eager media: one in which besieged Iraqi doctors and nurses bravely cared for--and supplied their own blood to--a similarly brave young American woman in a time of madness and violence. Instead, eager to turn the war into a morality play between good and evil, the military used--if not abused--Lynch to put a heroic spin on an otherwise sorry tale of unjustified invasion. Scheer nailed it pretty good there. The US Administration is behaving as if its policy problems were simply PR problems. What they've "learned" from history is that Vietnam was a media relations mistake, not a foreign policy mistake. These crusades against Afghanistan and Iraq have been very carefully managed for media relations. Ms. Lynch will hopefully help break this PR machine.

By: Durwood

Durwood — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:13:51 -0800

Lost amid this is Private Lynch's view of her rescuers. From ABC news: But Lynch was unequivocal in her gratitude to the soldiers who rescued her. "All I know was that I was in that hospital hurting ... I wanted out of there. It didn't matter to me if they would have came in shirts and blank guns. It wouldn't have mattered to me. I wanted out of there." "They're the ones that came in to rescue me. Those are my heroes ... I'm so thankful that they did what they did. They risked their lives. They didn't know, you know, who was in there."

By: cedar

cedar — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:21:18 -0800

"Pun intended?" Am I to understand this to mean that you are mocking the anal rape of a young woman, who for whatever reason, was serving her country? Regardless of how one feels about the war in Iraq the fact remains that a woman, barely out of her teens, suffered through a horrendous ordeal. I find her candor refreshing and hope that her book sells like hotcakes and the appropriate heads in the Pentagon roll across the floor like bowling balls.

By: grabbingsand

grabbingsand — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:36:11 -0800

"They're the ones that came in to rescue me. Those are my heroes." Were the names of her rescuers ever released? Has she met them since the event? Anyone?

By: ao4047

ao4047 — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 08:45:20 -0800

Anyone else wondering where 'frog march' comes from? Me too.

FROG-MARCH verb [shift and alteration of "frog's march" (not recorded in U.S.), as in 1871, 1873 quotations] Especially 'police.' to carry (a resisting person) face downward by the arms and legs; (hence now solely) to propel (a resisting person) forward, as by seizing his collar and the seat of his trousers or by pinioning his arms behind his back.

By: arielmeadow

arielmeadow — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 09:43:51 -0800

Unsurprising. But one suspects that the present administration, through various types of pressure, had a hand in the spin of this liitle charade. That was my first response to the story. "Ah, the military needs to add a little 'No, Jessica has her own opinions' spin to the yarn, so now she's denouncing certain parts of her rescue story...at the encouragement." I don't like having to assume that everything I hear from the US military is a lie, but I don't really feel like I have much of a choice these days.

By: arielmeadow

arielmeadow — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 09:45:30 -0800

er, should have read: "...at their encouragement."

By: Witty

Witty — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 09:56:28 -0800

I'd do her.

By: grabbingsand

grabbingsand — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:01:43 -0800

The NYT weighs in.

By: quonsar

quonsar — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:21:02 -0800

it appears the Pentagon knowingly lied to the American public and covered their lie by libeling a reporter who did his job in a professional manner. I think it's worth a FPP, myself. given everything since november 2000, i think it's worth overthrowing the goddam government.

By: JollyWanker

JollyWanker — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:32:29 -0800

Good Bog in Heaven, quonsar, it took this long to convince you?!

By: quonsar

quonsar — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:34:43 -0800

not really. it just looked like a good opportunity to remind everyone :-)

By: Addiction

Addiction — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:38:32 -0800

I think it is 100% pure garbage how our subculture is so hateful to the government. The blatant left wing propaganda that gets spewed daily is enough to make my stomach turn. This story is not even worth reading for me.

By: notsnot

notsnot — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 10:45:53 -0800

Funny how it used to be the Rebuplicans that railed against *anything* governmental. Now it's apparently the "left-wing" "subculture". Not worth reading? Of course not - don't *ever* read anything that doesn't jibe with what you already believe. (Ok, I'll cop to being guilty of that, too, sometimes.)

By: scody

scody — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:07:11 -0800

What they've "learned" from history is that Vietnam was a media relations mistake, not a foreign policy mistake. Yesster, this is spot-on. To the barricades, quonsar!

By: homunculus

homunculus — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:11:22 -0800

So, are the same champions of historical accuracy who demanded the Reagan miniseries be canceled going to do the same thing here?

By: Twang

Twang — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:19:41 -0800

The blatant left wing propaganda that gets spewed daily is enough to make my stomach turn. Even more than willful ignorance? I realize the word isn't fashionable right now, but the Truth is neither right-wing or left-wing.

By: 2sheets

2sheets — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:22:19 -0800

"This story is not even worth reading for me." It's amazing how you can't even see Rummy's lips move while Addiction is speaking.

By: konolia

konolia — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:42:39 -0800

So, are the same champions of historical accuracy who demanded the Reagan miniseries be canceled going to do the same thing here? Yes. In my case anyway. What a stupid thing to lie about. Did they not think she would rebut them when she got the chance? Or maybe that is why she was practically incognito in the hospital so long. BTW, I am totally sick of all these movie-of-the-week things- can't something happen to someone without it immediately being shredded into entertainment fodder?

By: Civil_Disobedient

Civil_Disobedient — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:54:31 -0800

This story is not even worth reading for me. [said with hands over ears] LA LA LA I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU LA LA LA!

By: fenriq

fenriq — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 11:57:28 -0800

This isn't a double post, the first was about her "shocking" of being raped and not remembering it. And this is about her outrage at being used as a puppet by the military for their propoganda. I am now willing to give her alot more benefit of the doubt as it would appear that she's got some brains and some backbone to say she's pissed off at her story being subverted by the government. Good for her. With all that said, I still wouldn't watch a movie based on her experiences, wouldn't watch an interview with her by Diane "Flavor of the Week Exploiter" Sawyer and I sure as hell won't be forking over $30 for a crappy ghost written book by a shamed journalist. Can we move on to the real issues with the war in Iraq again? Like the illegal activities, the corrupt rebuilding no-bid contracts for Bush's cronies and the continuing deaths of our soldiers for his short sighted and sneer ridden campaign?

By: alumshubby

alumshubby — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:21:47 -0800

Yea, verily, what fenriq said. If they can't show us the damn WMDs yet, at least bring us the head of Saddam Hussein.

By: yesster

yesster — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:26:41 -0800

Hey, Addiction - I don't hate the government. I just refuse to trust it. As I've said before, I don't distrust it either. Trust is relevant only in the absence of knowledge; if we had knowledge, we wouldn't have to rely on trust. I RESENT my government for asking for my trust, rather than giving me the truth.

By: LouReedsSon

LouReedsSon — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:24:38 -0800

given everything since november 2000, i think it's worth overthrowing the goddam government. Where do I sign up?

By: rushmc

rushmc — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:47:19 -0800

This story is not even worth reading for me. What does the world look like with all that sand in your eyes?

By: fenriq

fenriq — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 13:47:37 -0800

Hey Cedar, how traumatic is rape if the victim has no recollection of it? I'd dare say its not keeping her awake at night. And no, I'm not being flippant about something as serious as rape. But if she's none the worse for it and will make millions and millions of dollars from the "ordeal" then I'd say she's a damned sight better off because of it. And Alumshubby, don't you worry, Bush is having some WMD's flown in to be found, they'll be hidden soon and we'll have a huge discovery soon. I'm nearly sure of it. He is stupid enough to try it and, sadly, the majority of the US will eat it up like the spoon fed propoganda it is.

By: NorthernLite

NorthernLite — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:09:02 -0800

I still wouldn't watch a movie based on her experiences, wouldn't watch an interview with her by Diane "Flavor of the Week Exploiter" Sawyer Oh, but you must watch Diane. I hear she's going to ask Jessi what she thinks of the Dixie Chicks. As for the movie, I can hardly tolerate NBC of late because of that nausea-inducing syrupy, flag-waving promo. (Fortunately, everything but Scrubs on "Must-See TV" sucks, so I don't watch it much anyway.) And BTW quonsar, we wouldn't be in this mess, and we wouldn't need a revolution, if we didn't have that insipid electoral college. Yet I don't hear much discussion about abolishing that. (Of course, the G-damn Old Party might have found another way to fix 2000 anyway.) fenriq, so she's reaping the benefits of being a famous rape victim, without having to remember it? How very Bobby Knight of you. Oh wait, he'd say, "Too bad she wasn't conscious, so she could lay back and enjoy it."

By: LouReedsSon

LouReedsSon — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:11:54 -0800

the majority of the US will eat it up like the spoon fed propoganda it is. Duh! Didn't someone already post that a recent poll reported something like 70% of Americans believe they were already found?

By: lilboo

lilboo — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:23:35 -0800

Hey Cedar, how traumatic is rape if the victim has no recollection of it? I'd dare say its not keeping her awake at night. Hey fenriq, just ask any of those GHB-rape victims. I'm sure they don't have any mental or physical scars or any lingering problems at all! Rilly! A walk in the freakin park if I say so myself! It must be nice living in disneyland...

By: fenriq

fenriq — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:49:58 -0800

The GHB rape victims all knew something had happened. Jessica Lynch was TOLD she had been raped well, well after it had happened, if it actually happened at all. There's a huge difference. The same people who lied to us may be lying to her. Who's to say, I'm sure they've got charts and "proof" but so what, proof can be manufactured easily. And no, I'm not saying she was or wasn't but if the choice is between knowledge of being raped and being ignorant of it then I bet that most people would go for not knowing. And NorthernLight, sorry but how dare you compare me to Bobby friggin' Knight! I'm not saying I'm glad she was raped because I'm not, its a horrible thing to have happened but she seems to be having no problem benefitting from it. Besides, this whole thing is about her alleged rape, its about the trumped up rescue, the spin of the "torture" and all the other lies being spewed by the government to try and help push the war effort. She's not a "famous rape victim" she's a "war hero who was 'allegedly' raped", can you see the difference?

By: Sidhedevil

Sidhedevil — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:07:41 -0800

I think it is 100% pure garbage how our subculture is so hateful to the government. What "subculture" is that that you believe Jessica Lynch belongs to? The military? Blonde women? Republicans? Twenty-somethings?

By: languagehat

languagehat — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:53:18 -0800

she seems to be having no problem benefitting from it So to earn your respect (which I'm sure is a high priority with her, as it is with all of us) she'd have to refuse all book deals and turn away all inquiring media? "I'm sorry, but I was raped and therefore must hide myself away lest fenriq, arbiter of all things and not a bit like Bobby friggin' Knight, think the less of me for even seeming to benefit from my shame." I think this issue is a loser for you, and you should stick to WMDs.

By: fenriq

fenriq — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:13:35 -0800

Hmm, benefitting from her shame? I've seen no mention of her shame in any media report. Are you imposing your own perspective on her? By what right do you think you know what's going on in her mind? If she were ashamed about what had happened do you think she'd be doing interviews and writing a book about it? Um, no. She'd be holed up in her home and waiting for the next story to push her off the front pages. By the way, nice strawman fallacy. We all know she could care less what I (or you or anyone else in this thread) thinks of her. And, for what its worth, I think a heck of a lot more of her now that she's rebelling against the spin doctors. Which actually refutes the snippet you quoted anyway, she does have a problem with all of this spin. So, nice try but you've neither convinced me of anything or even really made any argument, you're just spouting off at me because you've got nothing better to say. Oh well. Again, it isn't about respect, its about pimping oneself for the almighty dollar.

By: cedar

cedar — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:18:31 -0800

"Hey Cedar, how traumatic is rape if the victim has no recollection of it? I'd dare say its not keeping her awake at night." You'd have to ask her how she sleeps at night. Any speculation on this womans motives or feelings is without base and, to me, distasteful. I will however, say that being aware of something traumatic happening and not being able to remember the specifics may be just as distressing as full recall. As far as 'benefitting from it' goes, what would you have her do, hide her face behind a veil and while bowing her head in shame? This is not a situation she created and by going public she has the opportunity to assert herself and take some control. I wouldn't be at all surprised if given the choice she would have preferred to remain anonymous but as far as I can see, this was not a choice she had.

By: lilboo

lilboo — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:30:00 -0800

I hate to interrupt your conspiracy theory there fenriq, but there are some things to consider about your statements above. Some GHB-rape victims know, some don't. One of Andrew Luster's victims didn't know she was raped until after the police uncovered photographic evidence well after the fact. If she was raped, she needs to know. There are major health concerns that need to be addressed; you are never better off not knowing. And I might point out that there are medical records. That's a little different than just being told you were raped by some General with a political agenda. That means they found physical evidence. Not every rape victim feels ashamed of what happened to them, but I am pretty sure they all feel a very deep sense of fear, anxiety and violation. Even if she remembers absolutely nothing about the attack, it happened, and there are always repercussions.

By: fenriq

fenriq — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 16:57:45 -0800

Good points, lilboo. Thanks for pointing them out.

By: languagehat

languagehat — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 17:02:03 -0800

I think a heck of a lot more of her now... ...pimping oneself for the almighty dollar... Uh-huh.

By: dejah420

dejah420 — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 18:17:33 -0800

And I might point out that there are medical records. Doctors who treated former prisoner of war dismiss claims that she was raped in Iraq Those records of which you speak were generated weeks later...and by the same people who told her family she had bullet wounds...when in fact, she'd never been shot. None of those "records" are trustworthy. Were the names of her rescuers ever released? Has she met them since the event? Anyone? -- grabbingsand I'm not sure if a list of all of the people on the mission were/will be released...but at least 4 of the soldiers on the mission are already dead. David M Tapper (cause of death: wounds received in action)
"The Department of Defense announced today that Petty Officer First Class David M. Tapper, 32, of Camden County, New Jersey, died of wounds received in action August 20, 2003 in Afghanistan. Often called upon to conduct the most harrowing missions, Tapper took part in the April rescue of wounded POW Jessica Lynch, then helped recover the bodies of nine American soldiers buried near the Iraqi hospital where she was held, according to friends and the Tapper family."
Source: http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/dmtapper.htm

Sok Khak Ung (cause of death:murdered)
"A $10,000 reward was offered Tuesday to help find the gunman who shot to death a Marine who was celebrating his return from Iraq. Ung, 22, who was stationed at Camp Pendleton, and a family friend, Vouthy Tho, 21, of Long Beach, were shot early Sunday while partying in a garage at a Long Beach home.

A gunman reached over a wooden fence next to the garage and fired six to eight shots before fleeing, police said. ...Lisbon said Ung also participated in the rescue of Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch. The combat engineer was part of a "diversion force" which attacked the enemy to distract them while a special force unit went into the hospital to rescue Lynch, Lisbon aid."
Source: http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/102103ap_nw_marine_killed.html

Josh Daniel Speer (cause of death: single vehicle accident)
"Josh Daniel Speer, a 21-year-old Marine who died in a single-vehicle wreck Sunday, poses with his weapons in Iraq. A Marine who was home for the first time since fighting in Iraq died Sunday morning when the vehicle he was driving veered off State 11 and crashed into some trees, authorities said. Josh Daniel Speer, 21, died instantly about 8 a.m. while enroute to his fiancee's house, said Kent Dill, a Greenville County deputy coroner.

Speer was a member of a unit that helped rescue Jessica Lynch, the Army private captured by Iraqis near Nasiriyah, said Capt. Shawn Turner, a corps spokesman. Details of the unit's role weren't available, he said."
Source: http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2003/07/07/200307079664.htm

Kyle Edward Williams (cause of death: apparent suicide)
"The soldier, Specialist Kyle Edward Williams, 21, was found dead outside of San Diego on Thursday of an apparent suicide. Officials said he was a member of the 507th Maintenance Company, the same unit as Jessica Lynch.

Officials said they believe he shot himself in the chest with one of the seven firearms he had been carrying.

He left no note to explain the suicide or why he fired six shots at Noah P. Gamez, also 21, after spotting the man stealing an ice chest from his Jeep."
This source only accessible through Google's cache.

By: rushmc

rushmc — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 19:16:43 -0800

Okay, that is spooky, dejah420...and I don't spook easily.

By: spazzm

spazzm — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 19:53:47 -0800

Yes, that is spooky. It is of course possible that there's nothing sinister about this, a mere statistical anomaly like the supposed curse of that mummy. It would be interesting to learn what, if anything, set these 4 apart from the other rescuers who (i presume) are not dead.

By: spazzm

spazzm — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 20:00:32 -0800

I meant to link to this story about the curse of the mummy in my previous post, but forgot. Sorry.

By: spazzm

spazzm — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 20:24:11 -0800

As an interesting (but admittedly not terribly relevant) aside, the surname "Tapper" is ranked no. 623 in Sweden (1239 persons). It means "brave".

By: spazzm

spazzm — Fri, 07 Nov 2003 23:25:27 -0800

Okay, one more and then I'll shut up: Snopes.com article: "Shoshana Johnson, the other female U.S. POW of the Iraq war, is slated to receive a far smaller disability pension than that granted Jessica Lynch."

By: Civil_Disobedient

Civil_Disobedient — Sat, 08 Nov 2003 00:41:17 -0800

dejah420. Holy. Fucking. Christ. All we need is a grassy knoll. My mind's gonna be reeling for the next couple of days on that info. Plus the fact that the information is apparently being kept out of major news sources' archives reaks to high heaven of conspiracy. Just... wow.

By: Uncle Ira

Uncle Ira — Sat, 08 Nov 2003 02:32:26 -0800

given everything since november 2000, i think it's worth overthrowing the goddam government. Where do I sign up? Well, for starters, you can register to vote at the local DMV...

By: LouReedsSon

LouReedsSon — Sat, 08 Nov 2003 05:16:45 -0800

Well, for starters, you can register to vote at the local DMV... Like, uh, is that all I gotta do? I did that back in '79, participated in EVERY election since, and am still waiting to see changes. In light of things only getting worse on a daily basis, revolution sounds tempting about now. Of course, until the movement gains the momentum necessary to actaully acomplish anything, I'll continue to work within the current system and urge everyone to lick Bush in '04.

By: lilboo

lilboo — Sat, 08 Nov 2003 08:20:54 -0800

dejah, medical records are not press releases, nor are they communications to her parents. These records are part of her chart, and they document her injuries. If there had been bullet wounds, the exact details of where, what, etc. would have been documented by doctors by a medical record in her chart. That record obviously doesn't exist, since there were no bullet wounds to document in the first place. However, a medical record does exist for rape, that means they found an rape-related injury(s?) they could document. Did the government ask it's medical professionals to create a fake medical report documenting rape? We don't know, but nonetheless, it's a little harder to argue with documentation of physical evidence. (And just because the Iraqi Doctors say she was treated well, doesn't mean it didn't happen, and I'm not saying we can't trust their word, but by their own admission, they did not examine her for rape.) In preparation for writing this book, or for pursuing further legal action, her lawyers (or her publisher's lawyers) may have actually asked to review these records, and hopefully been able to do some fact-checking. We won't know more until the book is released.

By: jennak

jennak — Sat, 08 Nov 2003 13:43:46 -0800

Regarding the "coincidences" that 3 of the men who rescued Jessica Lynch are now dead (the fourth man merely being from her unit -- he wasn't even in the ambush): What do you think the death rate is for foot combat troops? I would probably guess that it's about 10%. Think of how small a portion of the military engages in these kind of activities. Surely a majority of the deaths in combat are from these types of soldiers. From a front-line type Marine unit such as the one that rescued Lynch, a 33% rate probably to be expected. Further, consider that the "rescue" occured in April -- they've probably seen a lot of action since then. Considering all this, 3 deaths of the 9 rescuers probably shouldn't raise a red flag. I don't like how the gov't used Jessica as a pawn, but let's not start to sound like Freepers around here.

By: spazzm

spazzm — Sat, 08 Nov 2003 21:39:17 -0800

jennak: I agree that we shouldn't blow our tops just yet, and you are correct in stating that it's a war and soldiers do tend to die in wars. But you'll have to admit that only 1 of the 4 died in combat, the rest died in the US.

By: Cyrano

Cyrano — Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:58:28 -0800

Considering all this, 3 deaths of the 9 rescuers probably shouldn't raise a red flag. There were a lot more that nine soldiers in on the rescue. The large transport helicopter had sixteen people on it and I believe they used four Blackhawks with probably 6-8 men apiece on them not counting the pilots. And that's not even including the size of the Marine force used in the diversion.

By: matteo

matteo — Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:21:44 -0800

Pornographer says he bought nude Jessica Lynch photos; calls her 'a good kid' By SARA KUGLER Associated Press Writer November 11, 2003, 12:37 PM EST

By: matteo

matteo — Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:23:22 -0800

and, again for the record (archival purposes, etc) Forgotten story Jessica Lynch's rescue obscured a day of heavy US losses (...) Because by the end of that Sunday, 29 American service men and women would be dead, the worst US losses of the Iraq war. By the end of the day, marines had seized both bridges, but 18 of them were dead - all from Charlie company. Scores more were injured. It was the heaviest loss of life for an individual US unit since the Mogadishu debacle of 1993. But the story of marines is seldom heard amid all the focus on Jessica Lynch and her disputed rescue. Some I spoke to after the war expressed their frustration at the way the media had concentrated on the 20-year-old army private. They don't blame Jessica, but they feel their role has not been given sufficient recognition, especially as they rescued some of the soldiers from her lost convoy. However, that bloody Sunday was not the end of the story for Nasiriya. The fighting in the city continued for another 10 days. By the time the city was finally under US control, hundreds of Iraqis had been killed and wounded.